You see for your self that you day dreaming again? Please try for once and be bold in what ever you belief in. You are on coate that Your PDOIS dictates the agendas in the opposition is that what you will call opinion? Thats a statement my dear and if you must know Mathew has never been a fan and never will be for the UDP we knew this and you too know it for a fact.
When Dr. Saine said the same your fanatics were all over him calling him all sorts of names. Why is it some people would rather rot in hell than admit the truth? Remember ONLY THE TRUTH WILL LAST NOTHING ELSE. Gambians are no fools and for us argueing over non issues are pointless here. We both in this together and if anyone things you pulling the strings here then you must think again.
Bamba.x
king
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:25:35 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> I wish to acknowledge that mails are coming to me in a filter, and I
> am not getting the response of people until I opened another mail that
> bears the same headline.
>
> Now, to come to the contention that Ansu raised, I am not making any
> fabrications against Mathew. This is how he comes across to me through
> the many articles and opinions he has shared, that I have read. I am
> the least interested about tribal politics or its insinuations, but I
> can identify one when I see it.
>
> My approach and my orientation to Gambian political issues, may be
> completely different from the one that you profess; and given that now
> I may be willing to respond to some of these political issues, we can
> argue and debate the merits and demerits of these issues without being
> acrimonious. I await your contentions and I will respond to them.
>
> Rene
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>
> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2011 2:43 pm
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
>
> Ansu,
> Please let every G-Ler argue his/her case without being disagreeable. It
> makes us a better community.
>
> Malanding Jaiteh
>
>
>
> On 8/11/2011 4:52 PM, Ansumana Bojang wrote:
> > Rene,
> >
> > ".... because it (the govt) has fallen into the wrong hands (into the
> hands of the JOLA minority)..." Rene
> >
> > Please spare us with your tribal insinuations and stick to the facts
> and realities in Gambia and not your fantasies. If do not know Matthew
> Jallow is no fan of UDP and Darboe. Go back to the archives and
> apprise yourself of this. So, please read his article with some
> objectivity and perhaps you could learn something; however little.
> >
> > I am sick of some of you guy's tribalism here. And you consider
> yourselves the learned bunch. I wonder what your education has
> benefited you if you preoccupy yourself with such ignorance and
> chicanery. I have tried to ignore the many gibes that people have
> taken at the Mandinkas here both directly and some subtlely. Enough is
> Enough!
> >
> > Ansu
> >
> >
> > Rene said:
> >
> > It looks like Mathews take on PDOIS is not govern by any sense
> of rational inquiry, but by a desire to malign and castigate as is
> always the case when he writes about PDOIS.
> >
> >
> > It also looks like Mathew does not have a through grasp of the
> dynamics that surrounds the political reality in Gambia, if so, he
> would not have been making statements that runs contrary to what is
> actually happening on the ground.
> >
> >
> > When opposition to a political dispensation is not characterized
> by a sense of principle and purpose; when such opposition is merely the
> desire to change the leadership of the country, because it has fallen
> into the wrong hands (into the hands of the JOLA minority), the
> political narrative becomes an intensive campaign of vilification,
> demagoguery against the status quo, and criticisms just about anything
> and anyone who stands in the way of bringing down such a leadership.
> >
> >
> > PDOIS bears the brunt of these criticisms because of its
> principle stand on issues of governance; and the mission and vision it
> has articulated so profusely that does not favor the "lets get rid of
> them by any means possible" or "lets get rid of them now, then decide
> the fate of the country later," that is being propagated by our
> political pundits and diaspora intellectuals who will rationalize any
> argument as a justification for their position.
> >
> >
> > Because Mathew is so critical about anything PDOIS, he will jump
> at every opportunity to make scathing statements about PDOIS or its
> leadership, even if such statements are not grounded on facts or
> reality.
> >
> >
> > For how else can Mathew infer that the fate of PDOIS is
> inextricably tied to the success or failure of the United Democratic
> Party. This is the most lamentable statement I have ever read as a
> political commentary in Gambian politics. It is neither grounded on
> fact or reality. The fate of PDOIS has never been tied to the success
> or failure of the UDP, and never will.
> >
> >
> > The simple reason for this is that, the vision, mission,
> principles and policies that guide the existence and survival of PDOIS
> as a political party for more than three decades, just cannot be
> equated with the UDP that has a different vision and mission. And If
> Mathew tends to make this summation based on electoral gains, let him
> be reminded that it took almost a century for the ANC to succeed in
> South Africa.
> >
> >
> > And no matter how big a political party or its following,
> without a strong foundation it will come tumbling down like Humpty
> dumpty. What happens to the P.P.P.? Whats happens to the N.C.P? They
> were the largest and biggest political party and opposition political
> party in the country prior to 1994.
> >
> >
> > Who drives the opposition political agenda? Mathew may not
> agree, but certainly it is PDOIS. They are the ones who are making the
> public statements; writing the political blueprints and objective
> standpoints that seek to guide the evolution of a process, that will
> help eventually to bring about a change of government. What irks people
> like Mathew is that they don't want a process; they want PDOIS to fall
> behind the UDP and help to hand over the government to them. This is
> not going to happen. All the name calling is not going to do the trick.
> > "In my singular opinion, PDOIS owes it highest loyalty to
> itself, and its storybook in The Gambia’s political
> > landscape has been solely a marketing strategy whose aim is to
> articulate by word and actions, the brilliance of the ideal; its own
> > ideal, with the hope of attaining political power by whatever means
> through a highly suspect and superficial political brinkmanship.
> > PDOIS’s trite approach to the formation of a coalition is predicated
> on its nebulous, if not Ad Nauseum subliminal references to the
> leadership
> > of the United Democratic Party. But the UDP does not answer to
> PDOIS’s agenda nor is it obliged to fulfill what the PDOIS leadership
> seems to
> > characterize as the precondition to a coalition formation. For a
> coalition to come into fruition, PDOIS must subordinate its authority
> > to UDP without attempting to dictate the agenda, for only then will
> its hope for an eventual elevation to national and international
> prominence
> > ever come close to becoming reality"
> >
> >
> > Arguably the above statement is devoid of intellectual inquiry,
> that has the basis to argue any of the points that enumerated.
> >
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> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> I wish to acknowledge that mails are coming to me in a filter, and I
> am not getting the response of people until I opened another mail that
> bears the same headline.
>
> Now, to come to the contention that Ansu raised, I am not making any
> fabrications against Mathew. This is how he comes across to me through
> the many articles and opinions he has shared, that I have read. I am
> the least interested about tribal politics or its insinuations, but I
> can identify one when I see it.
>
> My approach and my orientation to Gambian political issues, may be
> completely different from the one that you profess; and given that now
> I may be willing to respond to some of these political issues, we can
> argue and debate the merits and demerits of these issues without being
> acrimonious. I await your contentions and I will respond to them.
>
> Rene
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>
> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2011 2:43 pm
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
>
> Ansu,
> Please let every G-Ler argue his/her case without being disagreeable. It
> makes us a better community.
>
> Malanding Jaiteh
>
>
>
> On 8/11/2011 4:52 PM, Ansumana Bojang wrote:
> > Rene,
> >
> > ".... because it (the govt) has fallen into the wrong hands (into the
> hands of the JOLA minority)..." Rene
> >
> > Please spare us with your tribal insinuations and stick to the facts
> and realities in Gambia and not your fantasies. If do not know Matthew
> Jallow is no fan of UDP and Darboe. Go back to the archives and
> apprise yourself of this. So, please read his article with some
> objectivity and perhaps you could learn something; however little.
> >
> > I am sick of some of you guy's tribalism here. And you consider
> yourselves the learned bunch. I wonder what your education has
> benefited you if you preoccupy yourself with such ignorance and
> chicanery. I have tried to ignore the many gibes that people have
> taken at the Mandinkas here both directly and some subtlely. Enough is
> Enough!
> >
> > Ansu
> >
> >
> > Rene said:
> >
> > It looks like Mathews take on PDOIS is not govern by any sense
> of rational inquiry, but by a desire to malign and castigate as is
> always the case when he writes about PDOIS.
> >
> >
> > It also looks like Mathew does not have a through grasp of the
> dynamics that surrounds the political reality in Gambia, if so, he
> would not have been making statements that runs contrary to what is
> actually happening on the ground.
> >
> >
> > When opposition to a political dispensation is not characterized
> by a sense of principle and purpose; when such opposition is merely the
> desire to change the leadership of the country, because it has fallen
> into the wrong hands (into the hands of the JOLA minority), the
> political narrative becomes an intensive campaign of vilification,
> demagoguery against the status quo, and criticisms just about anything
> and anyone who stands in the way of bringing down such a leadership.
> >
> >
> > PDOIS bears the brunt of these criticisms because of its
> principle stand on issues of governance; and the mission and vision it
> has articulated so profusely that does not favor the "lets get rid of
> them by any means possible" or "lets get rid of them now, then decide
> the fate of the country later," that is being propagated by our
> political pundits and diaspora intellectuals who will rationalize any
> argument as a justification for their position.
> >
> >
> > Because Mathew is so critical about anything PDOIS, he will jump
> at every opportunity to make scathing statements about PDOIS or its
> leadership, even if such statements are not grounded on facts or
> reality.
> >
> >
> > For how else can Mathew infer that the fate of PDOIS is
> inextricably tied to the success or failure of the United Democratic
> Party. This is the most lamentable statement I have ever read as a
> political commentary in Gambian politics. It is neither grounded on
> fact or reality. The fate of PDOIS has never been tied to the success
> or failure of the UDP, and never will.
> >
> >
> > The simple reason for this is that, the vision, mission,
> principles and policies that guide the existence and survival of PDOIS
> as a political party for more than three decades, just cannot be
> equated with the UDP that has a different vision and mission. And If
> Mathew tends to make this summation based on electoral gains, let him
> be reminded that it took almost a century for the ANC to succeed in
> South Africa.
> >
> >
> > And no matter how big a political party or its following,
> without a strong foundation it will come tumbling down like Humpty
> dumpty. What happens to the P.P.P.? Whats happens to the N.C.P? They
> were the largest and biggest political party and opposition political
> party in the country prior to 1994.
> >
> >
> > Who drives the opposition political agenda? Mathew may not
> agree, but certainly it is PDOIS. They are the ones who are making the
> public statements; writing the political blueprints and objective
> standpoints that seek to guide the evolution of a process, that will
> help eventually to bring about a change of government. What irks people
> like Mathew is that they don't want a process; they want PDOIS to fall
> behind the UDP and help to hand over the government to them. This is
> not going to happen. All the name calling is not going to do the trick.
> > "In my singular opinion, PDOIS owes it highest loyalty to
> itself, and its storybook in The Gambia’s political
> > landscape has been solely a marketing strategy whose aim is to
> articulate by word and actions, the brilliance of the ideal; its own
> > ideal, with the hope of attaining political power by whatever means
> through a highly suspect and superficial political brinkmanship.
> > PDOIS’s trite approach to the formation of a coalition is predicated
> on its nebulous, if not Ad Nauseum subliminal references to the
> leadership
> > of the United Democratic Party. But the UDP does not answer to
> PDOIS’s agenda nor is it obliged to fulfill what the PDOIS leadership
> seems to
> > characterize as the precondition to a coalition formation. For a
> coalition to come into fruition, PDOIS must subordinate its authority
> > to UDP without attempting to dictate the agenda, for only then will
> its hope for an eventual elevation to national and international
> prominence
> > ever come close to becoming reality"
> >
> >
> > Arguably the above statement is devoid of intellectual inquiry,
> that has the basis to argue any of the points that enumerated.
> >
> > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤
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