I think all we need as Gambians is not throwing stones while we all live in glass houses. Remember we were all witnesses when the military came to power than the events leading to the transition and the records are there as to those who first legitimised the dictator when they don't even know they type of man he truely is. All that should stay where it is and we try forge ahead as sometimes some people do certain things out of frustrations. Many of us had made mistakes in the past.
When we come together now to see the brighter picture, pointing fingers would only play into the hands of the dictator.
Gambia is at a cross road and unless we all put our hands on the deck and discuss as men and women not children, we will all fail the Gambian people together ok. This is not an individual matter you know, it is above party politics and blame mongering it is far neyond that. We talking about salvaging the Gambia. Thats why you hear some accusing Jola minority here and there. I belief no one has any hatred or bones to pick with our brothers in the Jola community but because their son who has hijacked all of us Jolas inclussive and yet many Jolas are standing their grounds backing their son and refusing to see beyond tribal politics because they think they should standby him no matter what even if he is wrong as long as he rules.
Now let us all see beyong our desk and come forward.UDP/PDOIS/PPP/NRP/MCP/ECT should all be part of a collective grand crusade to flush this cancer out that is sowing the seed of a Rwanda type of tribal hatred amongst Gambians.
Infighting amongst us should end.Gambia is bigger. Lets stop the blame game because if you know 10 about me, I knew 100 about you thats what constitute a community.Therefore its immaterial who fault what, Let the parties come forward and meet as suggested.
PDOIS had their agenda with them since 2006 presidential elections and never brought it up until now why? only they can answer but thats not important now because if we want to fish all that out a lot would be added to stakes already in the stock piles.
For my part all I want PDOIS leutinants to do is try and do your home work well wel because as good as we in the UDP wants you to Join us, it has to be done on a well discussed terms not on hasty NADD type cat and mouse one. We are both matured and I hope my people would as well stop their attack on my uncle Halifa and you as well stop what ever you have against Ousainou.
Thanks
Bamba.x
king
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:13:36 +0000
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Subject: Re: [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
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Bamba:
I am sure it will be a waste of my time trying to convince you that I am not holding the bag for PDOIS or Halifa for that matter, but someone who wants to see a coalition. You are absolutely right about one thing: all the politicians are in it because they want to lead or to become president, but more importantly there is really nothing wrong with wanting to lead. In fact, all of us are better off with someone who is really ambitious and wanting to lead. Now, to answer your question, Halifa has never told me that he does not want to lead the coalition or he wants to lead a coalition either. But, base on what is out there, whether someting that we can glean from the agenda 2011, or listening to all of his interviews, I have never heard him imply or infer that leading this effort is even part of the deal. Instead, he believe this decision should come from the Gambian people. On the other hand, the UDP wants to lead this effort and personally I would like to see that happen with the support of all the opposition parties. But, I have also come to understand that in the absence of a road map from the party and the person who wants to lead, it will be very difficult to bring people on board.
Also, I am not calling UDP lazy people, but rather surfacing some of the things people are saying, especially when they cannot understand why the UDP will not step on the plate and lead. Brother Bamba, let me give you my commitment that if the leader of the UDP come out and articulate his version of a coalition agenda, how this will give us victory and how this coaltion framework will govern, a whole lots of people will support such a movement. Gambians are waiting for a leader to lead who has a chance of going toe to toe against Jammeh. Calling or labelling anyone who wants to challenge UDP as a PDOIS supporter is neither here nor there, my only obsession is a way to make this happen.
Musa Jeng
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いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいI am sure it will be a waste of my time trying to convince you that I am not holding the bag for PDOIS or Halifa for that matter, but someone who wants to see a coalition. You are absolutely right about one thing: all the politicians are in it because they want to lead or to become president, but more importantly there is really nothing wrong with wanting to lead. In fact, all of us are better off with someone who is really ambitious and wanting to lead. Now, to answer your question, Halifa has never told me that he does not want to lead the coalition or he wants to lead a coalition either. But, base on what is out there, whether someting that we can glean from the agenda 2011, or listening to all of his interviews, I have never heard him imply or infer that leading this effort is even part of the deal. Instead, he believe this decision should come from the Gambian people. On the other hand, the UDP wants to lead this effort and personally I would like to see that happen with the support of all the opposition parties. But, I have also come to understand that in the absence of a road map from the party and the person who wants to lead, it will be very difficult to bring people on board.
Also, I am not calling UDP lazy people, but rather surfacing some of the things people are saying, especially when they cannot understand why the UDP will not step on the plate and lead. Brother Bamba, let me give you my commitment that if the leader of the UDP come out and articulate his version of a coalition agenda, how this will give us victory and how this coaltion framework will govern, a whole lots of people will support such a movement. Gambians are waiting for a leader to lead who has a chance of going toe to toe against Jammeh. Calling or labelling anyone who wants to challenge UDP as a PDOIS supporter is neither here nor there, my only obsession is a way to make this happen.
Musa Jeng
From: "Bamba sering Manka Mass" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:55:16 PM
Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
Musa jeng
How did you know Halifa was not interested in leading the coalition? Did he told you that? You sometimes sound to exactly like when Yahya Jammeh was parrading himself as the innocent prological son who would only stand when htere is a public outcry for him to do while underground no stone is left unturned to to see just that being done.We in the UK are not being impossible but being frank as men and we hope every body would be so bold as to accept just that. There is no politician who doesnot want leadership. So please drop that notion that Halifa doesnot want to lead a coalition. Ask your self what is the purpose of PDOIS if its leadership doesnot want to lead? If they want to lead the entire Gambia but are not interested in leading a coalition then thats is a real sick idea. One is trying to fool the other here. There is no one who want leadership more than Halifa Ousainou, Hamat, OJ ect. All of them want to lead.
OJ had come out saying he is willing to cercrifice but neither has Halifa or Ousainou or Hamat. Therefore Mr. Jeng retract that notion we are natured men and women talking no one can fool the other here. We in the UDP have asked you to meet so as to iron out how we intend to lead and we discuss and come to terms with our ideas and coupled with that of what PDOIS / PPP/ NRP may want in a UDP led coalition, then we can both collectively come before the Gambian people.
Time is running out and we don't want to do things in haste like how NADD was tried hastly round everyone and as thousands suffercated and tried free themselves, thats why no one wants to talk about NADD anymore. Sincerity wasn't there.
Now Dr Jeng UDP executive comprices of dedicated Gambians who cercrificed all for the Gambia. If you call UDP executive full of lazy people hiding behind the facade of stubornness, WELL YOU ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION OF THEM. but yoy not UDP so you cannot know what each executive do on daily basis.
But I vouch that most Gambians know the members of the UDP executive. How about PDOIS your party who are your executive? Halifa, Sedia, Sam, swaibou (in the media field) and my dear madam? Who else you or my brother Coach Pa Samba Jaw, Malick Kah or who? I think people need to know members of the executive of your Party. Come on and tell us!
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:06:05 +0000
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How did you know Halifa was not interested in leading the coalition? Did he told you that? You sometimes sound to exactly like when Yahya Jammeh was parrading himself as the innocent prological son who would only stand when htere is a public outcry for him to do while underground no stone is left unturned to to see just that being done.We in the UK are not being impossible but being frank as men and we hope every body would be so bold as to accept just that. There is no politician who doesnot want leadership. So please drop that notion that Halifa doesnot want to lead a coalition. Ask your self what is the purpose of PDOIS if its leadership doesnot want to lead? If they want to lead the entire Gambia but are not interested in leading a coalition then thats is a real sick idea. One is trying to fool the other here. There is no one who want leadership more than Halifa Ousainou, Hamat, OJ ect. All of them want to lead.
OJ had come out saying he is willing to cercrifice but neither has Halifa or Ousainou or Hamat. Therefore Mr. Jeng retract that notion we are natured men and women talking no one can fool the other here. We in the UDP have asked you to meet so as to iron out how we intend to lead and we discuss and come to terms with our ideas and coupled with that of what PDOIS / PPP/ NRP may want in a UDP led coalition, then we can both collectively come before the Gambian people.
Time is running out and we don't want to do things in haste like how NADD was tried hastly round everyone and as thousands suffercated and tried free themselves, thats why no one wants to talk about NADD anymore. Sincerity wasn't there.
Now Dr Jeng UDP executive comprices of dedicated Gambians who cercrificed all for the Gambia. If you call UDP executive full of lazy people hiding behind the facade of stubornness, WELL YOU ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION OF THEM. but yoy not UDP so you cannot know what each executive do on daily basis.
But I vouch that most Gambians know the members of the UDP executive. How about PDOIS your party who are your executive? Halifa, Sedia, Sam, swaibou (in the media field) and my dear madam? Who else you or my brother Coach Pa Samba Jaw, Malick Kah or who? I think people need to know members of the executive of your Party. Come on and tell us!
king
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:06:05 +0000
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Subject: Re: [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
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There you guys go again, What is with our cousins in the UK for just making things up. I have never heard Halifa Sallah talkinga bout to be considered for being the coalition . leader, and no other leader is fighting for the leadership. All everyone is asking is: please let us know how you would want to lead us and where are you going to take us. Now, if you are unable to tell the entire country how you would like to lead us, please do not blame us for being cautious and skeptical. There is a dog whistle among the people that maybe the UDP entity does not really ahve the capacity to roll out such a document, and that the executive is full of lazy people hiding behind the facade of stubornness. Now for me, I know of some smart guys on this side of the Atlantic that have what it takes to craft such a document, whether the folks back home are willing to back it up is another matter. Frankly, this is very easy, just tell us how you would like to frame a coalition of opposition parties that can deliver in November, and how you would restore or bring democracy, rule of law and economic development to the Gambia......
Thank you
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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:35:04 PM
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If PDOIS can do any better why is that, they are not in the position of the UDP? If we are the Gorilla at the door, can you explain what premise that on?
The truth remains, which is, If less a popular person will go to heaven and back just to somehow use the base of the majority to become the third President, do you want UDP to scold him and force him to commit to the reality of UDP being the obvious choice to led an opposition Coalition?
You tell us how to make PDOIS realise that, politics is about votes. The one can can pull them is the natural party to be allow the mantle to lead. Whether we are the Scorpion, Gorilla, Elephant is beside the issue.
Why should Halifa even consider himself to lead the opposition Coalition knowing full well that, his presume intellectual capabilities have never achieve him or translated into votes in the Presidential domain or even the national assembly contest.
WHo then is the Dumpling in the path to salvation?
The Guinean minor party leaders never waste anybodies time with their interest in leading. They know it is outrageous and against all conventional wisdom. But do we expect a polarise community like ours here to acknowledge this facts without dancing around the camp fire? Nop.
Therefore, we have made all contacts with every single party. We made our position clear to them, and we will continue to do that. However, if we are seen as the Elephant in the way, we will politely rubbish that, as baseless wanton excuse, because if any has the right to the jungle delicacy, the Elephant shouldn't be the last.
We boldly say, let PDOIS stop time wasting, creating unnecessary road block and complex unworkable line of communication.
Suntou
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Laye Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Rene:
It is obvious and to arduous chagrin of the UDPlings, if PDOIS were in UDP's position as the opposition party with a larger voter base, We would've been where we wanted at this point in time. Again, UDP bombed the leadership test in 2006 and now. They have proven to be the thousand pound gorilla at the door - no one can get though and they are not getting through to a united front. Unfortunate, and I hope they come through and prove me wrong, I sincerely hope so.
Thank you,
-Laye
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