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From: UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:52:45
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Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
*''But given the nature of our parliamentary system and the role that the
executive play in it, this is not likely to happen. It has never happened,
and it will never be.'' *Rene
Rene, we don't have a parliamentary system. Ours is a presidential system of
government. Didn't your Ayatollah taught you that? That is exactly what does
my heading with the disciples; they like to show-off but they only exhibit
ignorance in the process.
Daffeh
On 16 August 2011 14:46, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Bamba, don't waste time on Musa JENG. He is a misguided fellow.
>
> 1) He sees leadership in this context as a Ousainu Darboe matter rather
> that an institutional issue. That is why he like us to believe that Ousainu
> Darboe leading NADD as a candidate is the same as UDP leading an alliance
> when, in fact, UDP and NADD are registered political parties of equal
> standing in the eyes of the law.
>
> 2) He also didn't understand that under the Gambian constitution political
> alliances don't have standing to sponsor candidates in public elections.
> Hence, his call for a coalition candidate that is sponsored under an
> alliance ticket
>
> 3) He likes us to believe that the STGDP alliance proposal is the best
> option available when in fact, that option is not legally feasible for the
> simple reason stated in point 2 above.
>
> 4) He is very myopic and accept everything Halifa says without scrutiny.
>
> 5) He does Halifa's bidding and do give a lot of comfort to his
> intransigence
>
> 6) He is in effect, not interested in unity but the promotion of a
> particular ideology, socialism, which no one is willing to buy because no
> one wants it.
>
> 7) He just doesn't deserve much of an attention in this all
> important coalition debate.
>
> Regards
>
> Daffeh
> On 13 August 2011 21:13, Musa Jeng <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Bamba:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, I am not calling UDP lazy people, but rather surfacing some of the
>> things people are saying, especially when they cannot understand why the UDP
>> will not step on the plate and lead. Brother Bamba, let me give you my
>> commitment that if the leader of the UDP come out and articulate his version
>> of a coalition agenda, how this will give us victory and how this coaltion
>> framework will govern, a whole lots of people will support such a movement.
>> Gambians are waiting for a leader to lead who has a chance of going toe to
>> toe against Jammeh. Calling or labelling anyone who wants to challenge UDP
>> as a PDOIS supporter is neither here nor there, my only obsession is a way
>> to make this happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> Musa Jeng
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"Bamba sering Manka Mass" <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>> *To: *[log in to unmask]
>> *Sent: *Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:55:16 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [G_L] [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
>>
>> Musa jeng
>> How did you know Halifa was not interested in leading the coalition? Did
>> he told you that? You sometimes sound to exactly like when Yahya Jammeh was
>> parrading himself as the innocent prological son who would only stand when
>> htere is a public outcry for him to do while underground no stone is left
>> unturned to to see just that being done.We in the UK are not being
>> impossible but being frank as men and we hope every body would be so bold as
>> to accept just that. There is no politician who doesnot want leadership. So
>> please drop that notion that Halifa doesnot want to lead a coalition. Ask
>> your self what is the purpose of PDOIS if its leadership doesnot want to
>> lead? If they want to lead the entire Gambia but are not interested in
>> leading a coalition then thats is a real sick idea. One is trying to fool
>> the other here. There is no one who want leadership more than Halifa
>> Ousainou, Hamat, OJ ect. All of them want to lead.
>>
>> OJ had come out saying he is willing to cercrifice but neither has Halifa
>> or Ousainou or Hamat. Therefore Mr. Jeng retract that notion we are natured
>> men and women talking no one can fool the other here. We in the UDP have
>> asked you to meet so as to iron out how we intend to lead and we discuss
>> and come to terms with our ideas and coupled with that of what PDOIS / PPP/
>> NRP may want in a UDP led coalition, then we can both collectively come
>> before the Gambian people.
>> Time is running out and we don't want to do things in haste like how NADD
>> was tried hastly round everyone and as thousands suffercated and tried free
>> themselves, thats why no one wants to talk about NADD anymore. Sincerity
>> wasn't there.
>>
>> Now Dr Jeng UDP executive comprices of dedicated Gambians who cercrificed
>> all for the Gambia. If you call UDP executive full of lazy people hiding
>> behind the facade of stubornness, WELL YOU ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION OF THEM.
>> but yoy not UDP so you cannot know what each executive do on daily basis.
>>
>> But I vouch that most Gambians know the members of the UDP executive. How
>> about PDOIS your party who are your executive? Halifa, Sedia, Sam, swaibou
>> (in the media field) and my dear madam? Who else you or my brother Coach Pa
>> Samba Jaw, Malick Kah or who? I think people need to know members of the
>> executive of your Party. Come on and tell us!
>>
>> king
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:06:05 +0000
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>> There you guys go again, What is with our cousins in the UK for just
>> making things up. I have never heard Halifa Sallah talkinga bout to be
>> considered for being the coalition . leader, and no other leader is fighting
>> for the leadership. All everyone is asking is: please let us know how you
>> would want to lead us and where are you going to take us. Now, if you are
>> unable to tell the entire country how you would like to lead us, please do
>> not blame us for being cautious and skeptical. There is a dog whistle among
>> the people that maybe the UDP entity does not really ahve the capacity to
>> roll out such a document, and that the executive is full of lazy people
>> hiding behind the facade of stubornness. Now for me, I know of some smart
>> guys on this side of the Atlantic that have what it takes to craft such a
>> document, whether the folks back home are willing to back it up is another
>> matter. Frankly, this is very easy, just tell us how you would like to frame
>> a coalition of opposition parties that can deliver in November, and how you
>> would restore or bring democracy, rule of law and economic development to
>> the Gambia......
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>> *From: *"suntou touray" <[log in to unmask]>
>> *To: *[log in to unmask]
>> *Sent: *Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:35:04 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [G_L] [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
>>
>>
>> If PDOIS can do any better why is that, they are not in the position of
>> the UDP? If we are the Gorilla at the door, can you explain what premise
>> that on?
>> The truth remains, which is, If less a popular person will go to heaven
>> and back just to somehow use the base of the majority to become the third
>> President, do you want UDP to scold him and force him to commit to the
>> reality of UDP being the obvious choice to led an opposition Coalition?
>> You tell us how to make PDOIS realise that, politics is about votes. The
>> one can can pull them is the natural party to be allow the mantle to lead.
>> Whether we are the Scorpion, Gorilla, Elephant is beside the issue.
>> Why should Halifa even consider himself to lead the opposition Coalition
>> knowing full well that, his presume intellectual capabilities have never
>> achieve him or translated into votes in the Presidential domain or even the
>> national assembly contest.
>> WHo then is the Dumpling in the path to salvation?
>> The Guinean minor party leaders never waste anybodies time with their
>> interest in leading. They know it is outrageous and against all conventional
>> wisdom. But do we expect a polarise community like ours here to acknowledge
>> this facts without dancing around the camp fire? Nop.
>> Therefore, we have made all contacts with every single party. We made our
>> position clear to them, and we will continue to do that. However, if we are
>> seen as the Elephant in the way, we will politely rubbish that, as baseless
>> wanton excuse, because if any has the right to the jungle delicacy, the
>> Elephant shouldn't be the last.
>> We boldly say, let PDOIS stop time wasting, creating unnecessary road
>> block and complex unworkable line of communication.
>> Suntou
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Laye Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Rene:
>>
>> It is obvious and to arduous chagrin of the UDPlings, if PDOIS were in
>> UDP's position as the opposition party with a larger voter base, We would've
>> been where we wanted at this point in time. Again, UDP bombed the leadership
>> test in 2006 and now. They have proven to be the thousand pound gorilla at
>> the door - no one can get though and they are not getting through to a
>> united front. Unfortunate, and I hope they come through and prove me wrong,
>> I sincerely hope so.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> -Laye
>>
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