Rene
Again you wasting time with irrelevance. So other opposition parties do not
elect their President or party leader through the democratic principles?
The problem here, if PDOIS did not understand a PARTY Led alliance or
Coalition which they do, they can simply write to the major opposition in
which case they have to bring themselves in acknowledging that, to explain
to them what that means.
What you should acknowledge is that, a 5% party leader should simply accept
the invitation of a larger party. Attend their talk and request to see the
plan of action over a common matter.
As I explain to you and anyone thinking like you. If it is academic
superiority that you are boasting of, I want to see that translate in votes.

And if you are insinuating that, PDOIS consult it members before taking
decisions, then I will add you to list of misinformation spreading bunch.
Because, you read many things from PDOIS like many of us do. You are not
consulted by anybody for anything.
As a matters of fact, we are going into Coalition with other political
parties, and they should come a table and discuss. There, whatever they want
to know about a Gambia Party led Coalition, they will know it. Then, they
can go back to their parties and inform them if that is what they want to
do. But everyone knows, the decision the party leaders agree with, that is
what the supporters go by. PDOIS is no different. Halifa never went back to
ask PDOIS member whether he should accept NADD or not? He accepted it and
moved on.
Suntou

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:29 AM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Suntou, was the party-led coalition concept developed  or fully explained.?
> Was its objective and purpose communicated to the understanding of people
> who might register an interest in it?
>
>  Where do you want to go with this party-led coalition? We don't know. And
> don't tell me only those you negotiate with behind close doors should know.
> We are also interested to know.
>
> And I will tell you why we are interested to know. Under our system of
> governance, we have an executive presidency. The president is elected by the
> people, and it is only the people who can remove the president from power.
> The parliament can also remove the president from power with a vote of no
> confidence. But given the nature of our parliamentary system and the role
> that the executive play in it, this is not likely to happen. It has never
> happened, and it will never be.
>
> Second, the nature of the presidency itself is such that the president has
> a lot of powers. With such powers the president can, and has the tendency to
> manipulate all the structures of governance, to the extend that an
> atmosphere of invincibility and longevity is created. This is turn creates
> an aura of patronage, sycophancy and loyalty, that undermines all democratic
> efforts and inclinations to change. This results eventually to the
> perpetuation and consolidation of power. Thus the reason why Presidents stay
> in power for years wining all election cycles.
>
> Now the question we want to asked is : what would be the nature of the
> government under a coalition led by the U.D.P?
>
> Remember if the UDP presidential candidate is also the coalition candidate,
> if elected it is only that candidate who can form a government. The
> coalition cannot form a government. The candidate who is elected can form
> that government.
>
> The second question we want to asked is: how can other parties in the
> coalition, given that they have different programs and policies as
> individual parties, participate and influence the programs and policies of
> the coalition government?
>
> As the government that would be in power, the UDP would have had their own
> programs and policies.
>
> The third question we would like to ask: what would be the duration of the
> coalition government before another national election is called, whereby all
> the parties in the coalition can contest on their own?
>
> Remember, also, according to the Gambian constitution elections can take
> place every five years. In that case does it mean that the coalition
> candidate who is elected president should serve for five years. Or should
> there be a constitutional amendment to shorten the duration of the coalition
> candidate to serve for a lesser term? This also brings into question the
> issue of term limits.
>
> All the opposition political parties want term limits. They want terms
> limits to be introduced in the constitution, or in an amended constitution
> that they will conceive. However, at what point should the terms limits be
> introduced and become effective?
>
> The UDP manifesto has term limits of two five year terms for the
> presidency. If the UDP presidential candidate, who will also be the
> coalition presidential candidate, is elected president at what point should
> terms limits become effective. Should he serve a term of one five years,
> then elections are called and the next person who is elected will start the
> two five year term limits. Or should he serve the full two five year term
> limits for a period of ten years, it elected again by the people.
>
> Suntou, these are types of issues that we would want to see addressed.
> These are the types of questions that a developed party-led concept would
> try to answer. Give us the answers and if convinced we will support you.
>
> The task here is not merely to change a government or a leadership. The
> task is to change the way our government has been administered for over
> three decades.
>
> Rene
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sat, Aug 13, 2011 8:17 pm
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
>
> "But this time around a new concept was introduced. A party-led coalition.
> This concept was not developed or fully explained; its objective and purpose
> was not thoroughly harnessed, and as a consequence lost its traction. Nobody
> knows what are the objectives of this agenda, and therefore, nobody takes it
> very seriously." Rene
>
> "Your statement above is untrue and a clear testimony of the hangover of
> foolish pride in the so-call intellectual capability of the the PDOIS guys.
> If indeed somehow they are the Messianic brains Gambia is waiting to lift us
> from banishment, why is it that, after 26 years, they are still an infant in
> a small nation of 2million people?"
>
>
> Was the party-led coalition concept developed or fully explained? Was its
> objective and purpose communicated to the understanding of people who might
> register an interest in it? Where do you want to go with this party-led
> coalition? We don't know.
>
>
>
> "Better you tell us that, with all the grandstanding and prelude
> to self-sanctification, PDOIS cannot be the way, because, they don't
> know how to get the votes. If they exist to write academic papers, they
> should open a University and leave politics alone."
>
> ,
> When was any of their political ideas tested for its workability? Never.
> Why then can't the Great Halifa mastermind his own way to national Assembly
> with his great Brains?
> Enough of your truncated half-wit as fact.
> A party led Coalition is the simple mechanism the Senegalese use, the
> Kenyans, the Indians, the Brazilians etc. It is the majority party line the
> British use, now tell me where has the Agenda 2011 being tested?
>
> May be in the Wulli Bye-Election I forgot. It seems the great brains get it
> wrong when it comes the testing of their scientific ideas, somehow, the
> whole mechanics collapse to nothingness.
> Party Led Coalition is base on the workability of allowing the party with
> more votes and the capacity to generate even more with the combine force of
> other minority parties. The logic is so ordinary, time is not wasted on
> banana republic plots to put a stiff fight against an incumbent.
> The perticipant parties come together, agree on issues incrementally and
> fight the elections.
> You don't need merry go round just because a less popular leader thinks he
> can hijack the system by refusing to acknowledge his limitation as in the
> case of the whole NADD scenario.
>
>  Unless PDOIS make it clear that, they're uninterested in the removal
> Jammeh, but more interested in been seen as the Intellectual power house of
> Gambian politics, which will be more visible in a dictatorship than
> otherwise, folks should stop twisting the truth.
>
>
> By the way, PDOIS does not even move their own agenda or idea let alone
> that of the opposition. The unnecessary noise will continue to drum on you,
> but we know their dept and leverage.
> Suntou
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:25 PM, &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:
>    Haruna, what sentiments do you share with Bamba Mass about what I wrote?
> Do you also disagree that it is PDOIS that drives the opposition political
> agenda?
>
>    Well, there is a basis for my acknowledgment that it is PDOIS that is
> driving the opposition political agenda. What is the opposition political
> agenda anyway?
>
>    There is an agenda for the individual opposition political parties, and
> there is an agenda for all the opposition political parties that they wish
> to share in common.
>
>     The agenda for all the political parties is that they wish to form a
> coalition, a united front, against the ruling government to bring about a
> change of leadership and government. This agenda first started when the
> opposition political parties decided to come together to form NADD.
>
>     PDOIS  has been instrumental in the development of the concept,
> objective and purpose of this agenda, to the extend that some people surmise
> that the NADD agenda was a PDOIS agenda. This is the first point to note.
>
>     After the collapse of NADD, for reasons too familiar with most of us,
> and having realized that it is almost impossible for the opposition
> political parties to singularly make an impact against the incumbent
> government, the idea of an opposition political agenda resurfaced.
>
>     And it is the same idea, getting all the opposition political parties
> together to form a coalition, a united front, against the ruling government
> to bring about a change of leadership and government.
>
>      But this time around a new concept was introduced. A party-led
> coalition. This concept was not developed or fully explained; its objective
> and purpose was not thoroughly harnessed, and as a consequence lost its
> traction. Nobody knows what are the objectives of this agenda, and
> therefore, nobody takes it very seriously.
>
>       Then comes Agenda 2011. Characteristic of PDOIS, the concept was
> fully developed, it has an objective and a purpose.
>
>        And it is the only opposition political agenda on the table at the
> present. So who is driving the opposition political agenda?
>
>        Rene
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haruna Darbo &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;
> To: GAMBIA-L &lt;[log in to unmask]**ORG<[log in to unmask]>
> &gt;
>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:21 pm
>  Subject: Re: [G_L] [&gt;-&lt;] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point
> Newspaper
>
>
> Uncle Mass, I share your sentiments on Rene the no.1 PDOISard. I just want
> to caution you that he's your brother not sister. I made the same mistake
> when I was first introduced to Badjan. I must admit the name Rene is not
> usually for males in Gambia. Perhaps he could start spelling his name right.
>
> Haruna. Thanx Mass for sharing. I haven't even read all of what Badjan
> wrote in that note but I know I'm safe with your reaction knowing the
> history of Badjan, the diehard PDOISard. He could see a redhot iron and grab
> it to find out if its really hot.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Bamba sering Manka Mass &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;
> To: GAMBIA-L &lt;[log in to unmask]**ORG<[log in to unmask]>
> &gt;
> Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2011 12:54 pm
>
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [&gt;-&lt;] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point
> Newspaper
>
> It looks like my dear bajan is day dreaming when she suggests that PDOIS
> drives the opposition political agenda. That is what most of you think and
> thats why most of you think you can take us all for a ride? Well madam you
> are in for the surprise of your life if you and your prophets think Gambians
> still live in the 18th century.
> Just continue day dreaming I only pray you don't knock anything that  might
> hurt you for despite political differences you still a Gambian and my
> sister. I must tell you with your comming out for the first time exposing
> your thoughts out to all readership, is good but maybe others didn't know as
> for Us in the UDP we knew already that PDOIS thinks they drives the
> opposition agandas and we laugh at those thoughts. Because if that is the
> general feeling, then how comes you cannot drive politics in the Gambia. You
> know thats a detard illussion of the 16th centuries come up and mature up
> please those days of cat and mouse are gone Gambians are far mature than
> those childish thoughts of yours.
> Gambia has a bigger problem that affects us all and together we can tackle
> it. Stop your those thoughts at the doors of your party headquaters please
> and confront the Gambia problem thats what you set your party up for not
> playing cat and mouse with the lives of Gambians.
> As for whether UDP would stay well as you are not a member of the party,
> you cannot know our policies and there so ignorant you would be about us.
> But not to waiste time, only time will tell you if we are here to stay.
> Thanks and stay dreaming.
>
>
>
>
> king
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:43:25 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
>
> Subject: Re: [&gt;-&lt;] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>     It looks like Mathews take on PDOIS  is not govern by any sense of
> rational inquiry, but by a desire to malign and castigate as is always the
> case when he writes about PDOIS.
>
>     It also looks like Mathew does not have a through grasp of the dynamics
> that surrounds the political reality in Gambia, if so, he would not have
> been making statements that runs contrary to what is actually happening on
> the ground.
>
>
>    When opposition to a political dispensation is not characterized by a
> sense of principle and purpose; when such opposition is merely the desire to
> change the leadership of the country, because it has fallen into the wrong
> hands (into the hands of the JOLA minority), the political narrative becomes
> an intensive campaign of vilification, demagoguery against the status quo,
> and criticisms just about anything and anyone who stands in the way of
> bringing down such a leadership.
>
>
>     PDOIS bears the brunt of these criticisms because of its principle
> stand on issues of governance; and the mission and vision it has articulated
> so profusely that does not favor the "lets get rid of them by any means
> possible" or "lets get rid of them now, then decide the fate of the country
> later,"  that is being propagated by our political pundits and diaspora
> intellectuals who will rationalize any argument as a justification for their
> position.
>
>
>     Because Mathew is so critical about anything PDOIS, he will jump at
> every opportunity to make scathing statements about PDOIS or its leadership,
> even if such statements are not grounded on facts or reality.
>
>
>     For how else can Mathew infer that the fate of PDOIS is inextricably
> tied to the success or failure of the United Democratic Party. This is the
> most lamentable statement I have ever read as a political commentary in
> Gambian politics. It is neither grounded on fact or reality. The fate of
> PDOIS has never been tied to the success or failure of the UDP, and never
> will.
>
>
>    The simple reason for this is that, the vision, mission, principles and
> policies that guide the existence and survival of PDOIS as a political party
> for more than three decades, just cannot be equated with the UDP that has a
> different vision and mission. And If Mathew tends to make this summation
> based on electoral gains, let him be reminded that it took almost a century
> for the ANC to succeed in South Africa.
>
>
>     And no matter how big a political party or its following, without a
> strong foundation it will come tumbling down like Humpty dumpty. What
> happens to the P.P.P.?  Whats happens to the N.C.P? They were the largest
> and biggest political party and opposition political party in the country
> prior to 1994.
>
>
>     Who drives the opposition political agenda? Mathew may not agree, but
> certainly it is PDOIS. They are the ones who are making the public
> statements; writing the political blueprints and objective standpoints that
> seek to guide the evolution of a process, that will help eventually to bring
> about a change of government. What irks people like Mathew is that they
> don't want a process; they want PDOIS  to fall behind the UDP and help to
> hand over the government to them. This is not going to happen. All the name
> calling is not going to do the trick.
>
>     "In my singular opinion, PDOIS owes it highest loyalty to itself, and
> its storybook in The Gambia’s political
> landscape has been solely a marketing strategy whose aim is to articulate
> by word and actions, the brilliance of the ideal; its own
> ideal, with the hope of attaining political power by whatever means through
> a highly suspect and superficial political brinkmanship.
> PDOIS’s trite approach to the formation of a coalition is predicated on its
> nebulous, if not Ad Nauseum subliminal references to the leadership
> of the United Democratic Party. But the UDP does not answer to PDOIS’s
> agenda nor is it obliged to fulfill what the PDOIS leadership seems to
> characterize as the precondition to a coalition formation. For a coalition
> to come into fruition, PDOIS must subordinate its authority
> to UDP without attempting to dictate the agenda, for only then will its
> hope for an eventual elevation to national and international prominence
> ever come close to becoming reality"
>
>  Arguably the above statement is devoid of intellectual inquiry, that has
> the basis to argue any of the points that enumerated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: suntou toura &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;To: The Gambia and
> related-issues mailing list
> &lt;[log in to unmask]**org <[log in to unmask]>&gt;;
> gambiapost &lt;[log in to unmask]**com<[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2011 4:57 am
>
> Subject: [&gt;-&lt;] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
>
>
> www,senegambianews.com
> Excellently written and well argued. The UDP have to up the anti, the
> base is there and the youth connection, the brave Gambian women wing is
> prime and ready. Let us give peace a chance by politically standing our
> grounds. Let the Leadership continue to appreciate the urgency of NOW.
> We can do it.
> Thanks MKJ.
> Suntou
> Mathew backs UDP-led coalition, lambasts PDOIS leadership, The Point
> newspaper
> Published 08/10/2011 - 9:27 p.m. GMT
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> Credit - ousainou
> Ousainou Darboe, UDP leader speaking at a political rally
> Slide Show
>
>
> Of phantom heroes and degenerate journalists
>
> By Mathew K Jallow
>
> In today’s Gambia, the Orwellian dystopia is no longer that vision of
> impending doom. It is real and it is here; surreal and mind-numbing,
> not just because we let it to fester, but also because a whole nation
> has allowed its dignity and pride to be subservient to Yahya Jammeh’s
> unforgiving Machiavellian small-mindedness. Any effort at qualifying
> The Gambia’s level of despondence under Yahya Jammeh will be an
> understatement.
> But now, as another election season dawns on us and the political echo
> chambers churn out a false sense of outrage and fake fury, the
> political debate is being framed for failure, and no one is impressed.
> It is painfully obvious that the Peoples Democratic Organization for
> Independence and Socialism has still not learnt from simple arithmetic
> that under Yahya Jammeh’s monarchy, its fate is inextricably tied to
> the success or failure of the United Democratic Party; and not the
> other way around. The past three election cycles saw an alliance of
> political parties marketed as the panacea for the opposition’s woes;
> the terminal solution, if you will, that will write the last chapter of
> Yahya Jammeh’s inglorious reign and his Armed Forces Provisional Ruling
> Council party’s post-mortem and epitaph. But I beg to differ; even
> though I have oscillated from a coalition advocate, to my impersonal
> but scurrilous criticisms of UDP’s leader Ousainou Darboe’s failure to
> recognize, not only the existential threat UDP poses to the reign of
> Yahya Jammeh’s military regime, but also to his party’s seeming
> inability to leverage the obvious threat of UDP’s power and prestige to
> Yahya Jammeh menace, in order to turn that political advantage into
> electoral success.
>
>
> The absence of coalition notwithstanding, Ousainou Darboe’s UDP has the
> potential to grow into a formidable political war machine that can
> overcome any barrier created by Yahya Jammeh’s infinite state power and
> resources. But even this close to the elections, the UDP’s ground-game
> appears to lack the sense of urgency Gambians attach to ending the
> political tyranny and economic nightmare that have turned our country
> into an Orwellian oasis in the middle of our part of Africa.
> Consequently, this make or break election season has yet to assume any
> broad significance to the general Gambian electorate, not necessarily
> out of political apathy, but in my view, out of the opposition’s faulty
> messaging and irrelevant message. This reality was encapsulated in two
> recent editorials primed on the pages of both The Point and Foroyaa
> newspapers. Once again, impelled by dogma and fixated on scoring cheap
> political points, PDOIS set the blogosphere ablaze with its moral
> grandiosity and delusional political brinkmanship; all to no effect.
> But what drives PDOIS’s veneer of messianic sanctimony and its sense of
> its mythical aura, also drives its inflated sense of its political
> statute and clouds its sense of objective judgment.
> By its imperial pontification, PDOIS has seized the opportunity to
> gleefully; if not maliciously frame the debate entirely around painting
> the UDP leadership as godless political straightjackets. But the
> reverse is the reality. My point is this, PDOIS’s demagoguery and
> holier-than-thou approach to the formation of a coalition has a
> disingenuous quality to it that is textbook Darwinian. But the sooner
> PDOIS recognizes that in spite of the make-believe image it tries to
> project of itself for public consumption, it is UDP that drives the
> opposition agenda; not PDOIS. In my singular opinion, PDOIS owes it
> highest loyalty to itself, and its storybook in The Gambia’s political
> landscape has been solely a marketing strategy whose aim is to
> articulate by word and actions, the brilliance of the ideal; its own
> ideal, with the hope of attaining political power by whatever means
> through a highly suspect and superficial political brinkmanship.
> PDOIS’s trite approach to the formation of a coalition is predicated on
> its nebulous, if not Ad Nauseum subliminal references to the leadership
> of the United Democratic Party. But the UDP does not answer to PDOIS’s
> agenda nor is it obliged to fulfill what the PDOIS leadership seems to
> characterize as the precondition to a coalition formation. For a
> coalition to come into fruition, PDOIS must subordinate its authority
> to UDP without attempting to dictate the agenda, for only then will its
> hope for an eventual elevation to national and international prominence
> ever come close to becoming reality.
>
>
> In the same vein, The Point newspaper’s attempt at sanctifying Yahya
> Jammeh’s image and that of his AFPRC party, whether done deliberately
> or inadvertently, underscores the paper’s lost glory and its lack of
> purpose and direction.
> In its editorial, the paper admonished politicians to hone in on issues
> relating to agriculture, education and health, but failed to make any
> reference to the corruption and gross human rights violations that
> include murders and extrajudicial killings, which are uppermost in the
> minds of Gambians. The Point newspaper’s effort at defining the
> political talking points for the opposition is not only mischievous but
> appears to be self-serving, and goes beyond mere self-censorship to
> currying favors with the regime.
> The Point newspaper’s visionary, the late Deida
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