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Joe, you went on jubilating too soon after LJD shared his false information with you. You man, i am a Haleh as you mentioned but i do not engage in speculations especially in politics. It is your very self you kept on speculating on Mai and his GMC's stance and i came out to tell you that any party or parties that eventually wiithdraw from what they have committed to is not going to stop us from moving ahead with our democratic responsibility. when this whole process started my party was on on the same wavelenght with any of the other parties as far as the approach to forming a united opposition is conccerned. You know very well that Mai and GMC can talk for themselves when it comes stating thier position. The did it in the past and can do it again so i am not bothered with that.
And now to LJD. Lamin, it is my opinion that responsible Gambian personalities did not do enough to try to engage the opposition in putting up a single candidate. Musa Jeng will be considered an exception here. Why am i saying this is because with someone like you instead of engaging in speculations and prophesising doom for an opposition unity, you can do better by directly engaging the parties for the benefit of understand their positions and then try to talk them into what you think is the bset thing to do. But no, you went on prophesising failure from the start.
However, this is not important at this moment. What i want to remind you is that the information you passed on here that Hendry was not at the signing of the MOU and that only TWO parties signed the document is FALSE. You guys got to be more serious. The MOU was signed at a ceremony at the Atlantic Hotel in Banjul and the parties that signed the document are GPDP, NADD, NRP and PDOIS. The convention will be held Thursday 3rd November to sellected a flagbearer and a running mate. A shadow cabinet will eventually be put in place while the campaign moves on arroound the country.
Nyang
From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [G_L] Fwd: IS THE UNDBELIEVABLE HAPPENING? SIGNING CEREMONY OF MOU OF UNITED FRONT OF OPPOSITION PARTIES
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Sunday, October 30, 2011, 11:52 AM
Aaahhhhh! That is what Nyang was trying to say but could not. He was here just yesterday with Tama and all about five (four to me, and you want to go there three) parties in his United Front only to be terribly disappointed that in the end, it was only NRP and PDOIS. This will make the PDOIS position more precarious. Now the party that was against party lead, has willingly supported a party lead even though Hamat told the whole world that he must lead any alliance he ventures in. Where is the discussion in a Convention when the whole world knew the nominee? Regarding NADD, what where they trying to pull? How could they even attempt to sell us that ad? Well, since Nyang wanted me to keep quiet until Foroyaa tells us their story, I will stand aside and let the stampede be. Walahi, I have been telling you folks to stop under estimating Henry and none wants to listen. Lamin, ask Darboe and the
UDP about Henry. Darboe is older than Henry, but he found out that specimen is from another breed of the fast, loose, and slippery - pedigree to Rashidiki. Henry is not in their league. Why you think the APRC sycophants would keep vigil at their gates and make it Henry proof? They know his entry means scatter, like the Nigerians would say. I also warned folks about them two blinkers and they thought it was a joke. Today the chicken have come home to roost. The young wrestlers are wrestling their handlers. What a difference a day makes indeed. To the Foroyaa caption, yes, the unbelievable is happening indeed - be careful what you as for, for you might get it and they are getting it! Joe
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 07:58:04 +0000 From: [log in to unmask]Subject: Re: [G_L] Fwd: IS THE UNDBELIEVABLE HAPPENING? SIGNING CEREMONY OF MOU OF UNITED FRONT OF OPPOSITION PARTIESTo: [log in to unmask]
Joe
My information is that only two parties, NOT FIVE, signed the so-called United Front MOU. You guessed right, the parties are NRP, and PDOIS. May be Halifa got cold feet over NADD, the party that comprised only PDOIS.
You probably scared your friend Henry off. He was not at the event of the year, aka the MOU signing ceremony of the much talked about United Front. Was Henry busy, unwell, or just couldn't be bothered having realised his dream prize of flag beare was off the table. Henry as flag bearer of a United Front including Halifa, and Hamat! Isn't that something quite surreal? Unbelievable as it may seem, the November entertainment is nevertheless shaping up.
As they say, a day in politics can be life changing!
LJDarbo
From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]>
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I'm glad you realize you are enroute to a hard fall and are attempting to soften your landing - nothing wrong with that, just a natural reaction. You anticipating something that we do not know 'bout? Talk to us bro! Are you anticipating someone withdrawing? Could it be Mai? Come on, you're killing us with the suspense. I'm glad you felt it and know it's yours! Anukwale! "Titinga torop pour nahey"! Joe
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 05:02:53 +0000 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [G_L] Fwd: IS THE UNDBELIEVABLE HAPPENING? SIGNING CEREMONY OF MOU OF UNITED FRONT OF OPPOSITION PARTIES To: [log in to unmask]
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Joe, i see no value in continuing this chatter. One thing though before i take leave of this topic. On thursday November 3rd the convention will be held and whoever emerges the candidate will receive my full support. On the other hand in the event that any party withdraw from the agreement it will not stop the rest.
Nyang
From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [G_L] Fwd: IS THE UNDBELIEVABLE HAPPENING? SIGNING CEREMONY OF MOU OF UNITED FRONT OF OPPOSITION PARTIES
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, October 29, 2011, 3:56 PM
Nyang, what soup are you talking about? Stop the paranoia, no conspiracies here. Nyang, stop the denial. Cause and effect bro. Hamat said he will not be a party to NO UNITED FRONT of all opposition parties that he does not lead, the reason why he will not ally with the UDP because Darboe also want to lead the alliance. Where is the magic in this low hanging fruit that even Ray Charles can see? Your Convention is just window dressing, for the outcome is predestined - Hamat to be the flagbearer or no Convention for Hamat. The million dollar question is on what basis outside his claim of being with the largest support and electoral track record, no matter how you slice it, did that came about? By default, the same claim that UDP made that you continue to fight. The party led that you denounced is the same party led that you are now supporting, unless you want to tell us hamat is going to run under a NADD ticket, the
same NADD Hamat hlped decapitate and denounced. Someone also said here if I am not mistaken that Halifa attributed politics of tribe to Hamat, yet, Halifa has more in common with Hamat today. That is a contradiction my friend. Nyang, you are not going to rewrite this history in front of eye witnesses like yourself. Regarding this pica boo game you are attempting to play here, let me help you a bit to reduce the odds to Hamat. Halifa told us that he is not going to be a candidate and that PDOIS will not field a candidate. Henry does not have support aside from Kanifing and to be more specific, his street. Mai if you care to insist that he is still in your count is not in the country, unless you want to tell me Martin is your suspect. I don't think you would want to go there. On top of all this, Hamat swore by his parents that any alliance he joins, he must lead. "Gorr, Bulma Sornal, Banta Binga Hodge Nee, Du Mousah
Supaleku Jessit". What is not logical about the above? I swear if I could explain in "Huntin" language I would have ventured. Stop the denial Nyang, "Fee Manor Fee Nah Ken"! This jam that the opposition parties find themselves in is there own doing and stop the paranoia that I am pitting PDOIS against the UDP. When I say something about Darboe, you see pitbuls from that end snap, the same with OJ, Mai, and Hamat. The only exception is my good friend Henry, and that is because he is the Chairman, Secretary, Treasurer, Auditor, PR, and Vice Chair of GPDP. :-)! Folks here know what's up. You must realize that the business of the Gambian nation is not your party's exclusive domain, but all stakeholders - Gambians. Your party leaders created this mess so stop attempting to transfer blame. "Linga Ghi, Mom Nga Gobe"! Joe
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:28:10 +0100 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [G_L] Fwd: IS THE UNDBELIEVABLE HAPPENING? SIGNING CEREMONY OF MOU OF UNITED FRONT OF OPPOSITION PARTIES To: [log in to unmask]
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Joe, you can even go ahead and say Hendry will be the candidate. As if you are the Borom Petaw.
What i can assure you is that whoever is sellected by the people at the convention will be supported by PDOIS. You can also carry on with the soup that you are cooking up about PDOIS' endorsing UDP or not.
What every person with open eyes knows is that NRP agreed to go through a convention where the people will select the candidate whislt the UDP wanted party leaderships to anoint thier party adn leader as the candidate. And just because Hamat agreed to a convention then it means he is already selected does not make sense. The process will have to take it's course. Suppose that the UDP did also agree to the convention would that have meant Ousainou authomatically become the candidate. You see you are not sounding any bit logical.
From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [G_L] Fwd: IS THE UNDBELIEVABLE HAPPENING? SIGNING CEREMONY OF MOU OF UNITED FRONT OF OPPOSITION PARTIES
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, October 29, 2011, 12:34 PM
Nyang, please put your money where your mouth is. Hamat is going to be the flagbearer. Humor me and tell me that is not going to be so. You do not have to be in Mauritania to know that dinner is served in the evening. Hamat had told the whole world that he will not be part of any alliance that he will not lead. Now Einstein, what does your crystal ball tell you? If hamat will break ranks with the UDP that consiostently had more votes than Hamat, can you please tells us why in God's green earth he will let PDOIS or GPDP lead your alliance. You see, this is what happens when you see the moon and insist that you saw the sun. Again, if Hamat is going to be your flagbearer, then you tell Gambians what your basis is. A convention is not a basis. If Hamat is the man, how did the PDOIS principles agree to that? Is it because they signed your MOU? This is not about what the Gambian voter requested of you, is it? Regarding the
"five" parties, that is a joke, right? PDOIS and NADD, Nyang, "Ganaele Sowe Chi Mehwe"! PDOIS is the only party left in NADD, thus, PDOIS and NADD are one and the same. What is also interesting is after calling for principles all these decades, PDOIS is now in bed with Henry and GPDP, are you guys serious? As for GMC, they are playing doubles. I think Mai Fatty needs to come out and straighten the record. All here read his alliance with the UDP and yours truly was the first to jump on him at the time and he was not pleased when I used the words "weakest link". Now they are part of the Convention. However, information is floating that those that went to the Convention for GMC did their own thing. I do not care either way. Mai is claiming that he does not endorse your Convention, so which is which? You see, PDOIS cannot dictate to people how they should be viewed. What is unfolding is unbecoming and it is not to the interest of the voter but to feed
an ego. It is also a fantasy in your head to believe you folks are the only ones who are dedicated and mean well for Gambia. That is a lame argument that will not stand any test. Nyang, PDOIS should be the last party to talk about electoral statistics. Register 6% and then start to preach to the choir. What basis will Hamat be your flagbearer except that he had more votes than PDOIS in any contest they entered? If so, what about the party that had trounced the NRP, as the NRP trounced PDOIS at the polls? The same party led that you used as defense against the UDP, is the same party led that you are accepting with NRP, do you see the apparent contradiction? Nyang, try if you must, but I am a citizen like any and will speak my mind on PDOIS or any other party and do not need your or any's approval. Joe
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:20:11 +0100 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [G_L] Fwd: IS THE UNDBELIEVABLE HAPPENING? SIGNING CEREMONY OF MOU OF UNITED FRONT OF OPPOSITION PARTIES To: [log in to unmask]
Joe, the United in the UNITED FRONT you asked for is the five parties that have agreed to select a candidate through a convention and have committed themselves to support whoever emerges as the candidate at the convention. This is the UNITED FRONT, like it or not. Unless any of the party pulls out of the convention as matters stand right now five parties out of seven have agreed to unite through a process. Just as you said it used to be five camps now there are three camps, this is progress, right?
As to your cooked up puzzle you try to pass around as fact all I have to say is that we have to treat this kind of issues with respect and seriousness. I have great respect for you as a person who speaks his mind but you should not go to the extent of passing around falsehood as truth.
The fact is no one has yet been selected out of GMC, GPDP, GPDP, NRP PDOIS and NADD to be the presidential candidate. This will be done at a convention to be held within a week after the signing of the agreement document tomorrow.
You asked why PDOIS could not endorse Ousainou based on the fact that his party has pulled more votes among the opposition in the past. To answer your question, I will say PDOIS did not endorse any individual. We in PDOIS have clearly stated that in our view none of the existing opposition parties singlehandedly can lead the rest of the opposition into victory or any electoral success. We have constantly used the 2006 alliance between the UDP and NRP as an example. When these two parties allied together the common argument was that a summation of their 2001 electoral results will earn them victory. We all know how that pact ended.
Now armed with all the statistical and theoretical facts we know that what the UDP is asking for is not a winnable option. But we were even ready to listen to them and even opened up to leaving the decision of having a UDP-led alliance to the delegates of a convention. But UDP wanted its way only at the end of the day the majority of the parties had a different view.
Hence PDOIS has not endorsed anybody. What we have committed ourselves to is supporting anybody who is selected by the convention delegates. This could be anybody who put him or herself as a candidate at the convention. This includes Hamat as well as Hendry. Is it not democracy that we are talking about?
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From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [G_L] Fwd: IS THE UNDBELIEVABLE HAPPENING? SIGNING CEREMONY OF MOU OF UNITED FRONT OF OPPOSITION PARTIES
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Friday, October 28, 2011, 12:30 PM
Laye, I think the caption by Foroyaa is erroneous or misleading. There is No United Front when you have two presidential contenders within the opposition - Ousainou Darboe and soon to be announced, Hamat Bah. Actually, nothing has changed for more than a year now, when Hamat started saying he was running as a candidate. The only people who expressed interest in running as candidates has not changed for more than a year - Yaya, Ousainou, and Hamat. What has changed is the composition of the camps. Initially, we had APRC; UDP, PPP, and GMC; NRP; PDOIS and NADD (which are one and the same to me at this time unless one endeavors to be academic to assign Sidia to PDOIS and Halifa to NADD. If so, is Sidia also part of NADD and is Halifa still part of PDOIS?); and the GPDP. Now, we have APRC; UDP and PPP; NRP, PDOIS/NADD, GMC, and GPDP. It used to be 5 camps, now it is 3 camps. The case of GMC is still
unfolding, as they were the first to announce an alliance with UDP and now they are allied with another camp according to this and other reprots. Information has been trickling in that all is not well in that camp and Gambians will be informed as to what is is going on soon. So, where is the UNITED, in the united front? Clearly, there is no United Front and the paper needs to revisit their caption. Besides, anyone who has been following this saga clearly knows that there is no United Front, but two camps within the opposition and each has selected a Presidential candidate. One camp is allied based on endorsement of one party by the other because of size and support. The other camp were to hold a convention and they hopefully will let Gambians know the basis of their selection. The flag bearer of each camp in the opposition believe they should lead any alliance they are a part of. For once, Hamat has said something and he stuck by it. That he
will not be part of an alliance that he will not lead. In many ways, no different from Ousainou, only Ousainou hinge his on the contention that he has the largest following, which by default, Hamat does not agree with based on his stance. Now, the puzzler here is PDOIS/NADD (Sidia/Halifa). How did they end up endorsing the candidacy of Hamat, but could not endorse the candidature of Ousainou? Where was their principles in the case of Hamat, for we all saw Hamat in action over the years, thus, enquiring minds want to know the basis of Halifa/Sidia support of Hamat's candidature. Is it because Hamat has the largest following? If that is the case, then why could they not endorse Ousainou, since Ousainou consistently had more votes than Hamat in all contests they entered thus far. Since NADD/PDOIS did not field a candidate, could it be they endorsed another candidate and not Hamat? If so, who is that candidate and what is their basis? If all or
some in the Convention voted for Hamat, what was their basis? I can here the partinicks to cry, but Joe we just told you we had a Convention, what don't you understand? To that I say, I do not understand the logic. I hope Foroyaa will provide answers to my questions and that of many others who have many gaps in their quest for sound analysis of what is going on. The most important group in this musical chair game is the electorate/voter and they will speak in the next four weeks or so and a verdict will be rendered. This is where matters stand. Joe
> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:17:39 -0500 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [G_L] Fwd: IS THE UNDBELIEVABLE HAPPENING? SIGNING CEREMONY OF MOU OF UNITED FRONT OF OPPOSITION PARTIES > To: [log in to unmask] > > IS THE UNDBELIEVABLE HAPPENING? SIGNING CEREMONY OF MOU OF UNITED > FRONT OF OPPOSITION PARTIES > Author: Publisher | Date: 28-10-11 | Topic: Editorial > > Foroyaa has received an invitation to send a reporter to cover the > signing ceremony of the memorandum of understanding establishing a > United Front of opposition parties to be held at the Atlantic Hotel in > Banjul on Saturday 29th October 2011. > This letter therefore confirms that those parties which support a > convention have finally reached an agreement. > What the Memorandum of Understanding contains
will be known by our > readers next Monday. Foroyaa will serialize it for the benefit of our > readers. > The 2011 election is beginning to come with its surprises. First the > opposition was conceived to be dead. The APRC utilised the provincial > tour of the President as an election campaign which was broadcast both > by Radio and television for weeks. They made sure that each week came > with its own activity. There was no sign of the opposition on state > radio and television until the IEC arranged for a TV programme to > sensitise the public on multiple registration and the need for those > who did so to return their cards. > It was in September that rumours began to spread that opposition > parties were meeting to discuss about the formation of an alliance. > The women groups of the different opposition parties formed a main > pressure group to visit party executive Committee members especially > the
Secretary General of parties to promote the creation of a United > Front. > The talks ended on 14th October 2011 and most of the reports in the > media concluded that the talks initiated by the UDP had collapsed. > Others claim that the talks split into two camps, that is, the camp > that supports a UDP led alliance comprising the UDP and the PPP, and > the camp that supports the holding of a convention to select a flag > bearer, that is, GMC, GPDP, NADD, NRP and PDOIS. Recently questions > have been raised whether GMC is still a member. Some people have also > said that the NRP shall never be part of a convention. > On Saturday it will be clear who is or is not part of the United > Front. Apparently Gambia is poised to have the most unpredictable > election process that the country has ever held. No wonder foreign > observers have started to conduct their pre-election observations and > monitoring. The Common
Wealth has done theirs. ECOWAS is on the way. > Each Gambian should now be ready to make his or her vote count. > > > > > This article comes from FOROYAA Online > http://www.foroyaa.gm > > The URL for this story is: > http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8187 > > > -- > -Laye > ============================== > "With fair speech thou might have thy will, > With it thou might thy self spoil." > --The R.M > > いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >
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