'Aye Aye Daffeh. Do not be sidetracked. Continue to head due-north. The
UDP-led alliance is the alliance of choice by the most Gambians.'- Haruna.

Allez!  With this advice, I am bolting out of this conversation.

Thanks, Haruna

Daffeh

On 10 November 2011 09:26, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>  Aye Aye Daffeh. Do not be sidetracked. Continue to head due-north. The
> UDP-led alliance is the alliance of choice by the most Gambians.
>
> Haruna.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>
> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:02 am
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Hamat Resigning from NRP and going Independent....He
> has Rolled Over
>
>
>  Edi,
>
>  The UDP insisted on leading any coalition that they would partake in as
> the biggest opposition party because that is the conventional room. We also
> take cognisance of the fact that coalitions are always formulated on the
> basis of compromise; meaning prospective constituents would have to
> accommodate some element of each others' view or positions on issues.
>
>  The UDP never asked for a proportional representation for it is already
> our position that based on our status as the biggest party who consistently
> pulled far more votes than the other parties in every elections since the
> birth of the second republic, we have already acquired the legitimacy to
> lead any coalition in which we are to partake, and this is an entrenched
> democratic principle in the world that we live in. The PDOIS
> primary/convention proposals were specifically designed to reject the
> legitimacy that the people have given to the UDP as the official opposition
> time and time again.
>
>  Before you start talking about proportional representation which, by the
> way is a pdois proposal, you need to ask yourself what component of the UDP
> proposal did pdois accommodated? The answer is nil. The next question you
> need to ask yourself is whether it is reasonable for pdois to insist that
> the coalition would be formulated entirely on the basis of their proposal
> and in total contempt and disregard to udp proposal, who are, in fact, the
> convenors of the unity talks? Well, that's exactly what pdois has done and
> who said nothing about it.
>
>  The size factor you alluded to is only there to demonstrate that the UDP
> already got the legitimacy to lead. Therefore, submitting ourselves to a
> convention regardless of whether or not we can win it, especially in that
> unconventional format; will only invites malicious and insincere challenges
> to UDP legitimacy to lead a coalition. That is not acceptable to us as long
> as we remain the biggest opposition party or become the incumbent party.
> The UDP is the biggest opposition party in the country,  and more people
> elected Ousainu Darboe to be the leader in the 2010 Jarra congress than the
> 189 delegates who elected Hamat at the PDOIS engineered convention.
>
>  Also, if you believe that forgone conclusion, if UDP had partake in the
> convention, was a UDP victory, why a convention then. You also need to
> acknowledge that Hamat has explicitly stated on several occasions that he
> was not going to be part of any alliance that is not led by him. Thus, even
> if UDP had partake in the convention and won as you predicted, that would
> not have resulted to unity but mere waste of money, further polarisation
> and disharmony in the opposition.
>
>  The intransigence that pdois has exhibited against anything udp would
> also mean that even if the UDP had partake in the convention and won, we
> would that be able enlist the support of pdois wholeheartedly.
>
>  In any case, the primary/convention among different contenders who do
> not belong to the same party is unheard of and without precedent. The norm
> is that coalition leadership is always given to the party with the largest
> followership with questioning, and that party is the United Democratic
> Party.
>
>  The sheer hypocrisy being exhibited by so-called elites is both
> ungambian and ungodly.
>
>  Regards
>  Daffeh
>
>
>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 9 Nov 2011, at 12:y49, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>      No Edi. The perfect compromised would have been as thus; UDP
>> accepts one component of PDOIS's Agenda 2011 in return for pdois's
>> acceptance of a UDP led alliance.
>>
>> UDP had conceded the 5yr term limit and all the attendant conditions
>> proposed by pdois but pdois, on the other hand, accepted nothing from the
>> UDP proposal. That's why compromise could not be engendered.
>>
>> The convention is a pdois proposal that was placed in opposition to the
>> entirety of UDP's proposal. So clearly, what you are asking for is a
>> coalition that is based entirely on pdois's proposals. That is not
>> compromise; that is called imposition. It was the UDP that tried engendered
>> compromise in the face of stiff opposition from pdois who were determined
>> not to entertain any element of UDP proposal.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Daffeh
>>
>>  On 9 November 2011 12:17, Edi Jah <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Suntou, thanks for the forward.
>>>
>>> ''It was recommended that proportional representation be introduced to
>>> enable the UDP to have its majority and then leave the delegates to select
>>> one person among the opposition to be the flag bearer. After the selection
>>> of the flagbearer a motion could then be introduced to propose that the
>>> delegates make a decision for the flag bearer to contest under a party
>>> ticket or an Independent ticket. When the motion is seconded and subjected
>>> to voting whatever the delegates decide would be accepted as binding to
>>> all. ''
>>>
>>> IMO this recommendation would have been a perfect compromise because it
>>> takes two most contentious issues into account - party sizes and putting
>>> the flag bearer issue to a vote.
>>>
>>> Folks, If you think this was a missed opportunity please advance some
>>> reasons?
>>>
>>> If you think this compromise wasn't good enough please advance some
>>> reasons?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 9 Nov 2011, at 05:23, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Halifa: The flagbearer wanted to run on an NRP ticket while the
>>> parties recommended that he runs under an Independent ticket. It took time
>>> for the flag bearer to make a decision.
>>> >
>>> > Foroyaa: Was this not made clear by the MOU?
>>> >
>>> > Halifa: The MOU provides for the delegates to elect a flag bearer and
>>> determine candidature which could be either party led or independent
>>> candidature.
>>> >
>>> > Foroyaa: Is this not confusing?
>>> >
>>> > Halifa: It is not confusing if the explanation is clear. The Gambian
>>> people wanted everyone onboard so that we could have one candidate within
>>> the opposition to contest against the incumbent. It was recommended that
>>> proportional representation be introduced to enable the UDP to have its
>>> majority and then leave the delegates to select one person among the
>>> opposition to be the flag bearer. After the selection of the flagbearer a
>>> motion could then be introduced to propose that the delegates make a
>>> decision for the flag bearer to contest under a party ticket or an
>>> Independent ticket. When the motion is seconded and subjected to voting
>>> whatever the delegates decide would be accepted as binding to all.
>>>
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