Joe Please, my teeths are already falling out without any blows. Suntou On 2/3/12, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Ndokey, Jenkeh domanding ngaa Suntou laa daa fix. > > Joe > > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:42:05 -0500 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly > disappointed in Halifa. Haruna. > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > Giuseppe, how are you???? WHy are you always angry men??? Later!! Y'en a > marre!!! > > > > Haruna. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> > > > To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> > > > Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 5:33 pm > > > Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly > disappointed in Halifa. Haruna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suntou, you bloddy well know that Gambians are waiting for your suspended > animation and they will wait for eternity if they rely on you folks. Why > would I have to use you to bring up discussion? To the contrary, it is an > assault of our sensibilities that you folks acted the buffoon leading to the > elections and when you delivered what Gambians expected from that > mediocrity, you promise to fight, which is joke. Fighting is what the > opposition leaders in Senegal are doing. The joke about your fight is on you > all, for we all know not a darn thing is happening but Yaya's abuse. Please > do not insult our sensibilities with this nonsense about Foroyaa. You all > were the largest, right? The way you in particular clowned around here, > where is your pride? Ain't got nothing to talk about but some silliness! > > > > > > Joe > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:10:15 +0000 > > >> From: [log in to unmask] > > >> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly >> disappointed in Halifa. Haruna. > > >> To: [log in to unmask] > > >> > > >> I wonder who is burying his head and where you stand at the beach side > > >> whilst folks are burying their head brave warrior? I have never meet > > >> you at any affirmative action in the safe country of England but you > > >> will always promise to surface. Secondly, Jammeh travelled to America > > >> just a month ago, where were the paratroopers to make his stay > > >> uncomfortable? > > >> This is a national struggle, those whose statement matched their > > >> intentions, not only sponsored the opposition with their wealth, but > > >> they also play other active part. I guess, it will having nothing > > >> important to say, will I indulge you. > > >> > > >> Foroyaa will never look the other way about any issue they found > > >> relevant for their opinion, be it family live issue, social or > > >> political neither educational events. So who can prance about here > > >> telling us to discuss something else? > > >> > > >> Of course Joe want to start a discussion which is why, he use the > > >> Foroyaa subject. However, who is he to dictate which topic people > > >> should say something on? If there is a problem in Foroyaa which > > >> becomes public knowledge, why wouldn't people discuss it? Is the role > > >> of Foroyaa not uncovering issues deem relevant for the public? The > > >> staff at the paper want certain issues sorted in order that, they can > > >> practise their duties properly, now the man they thought will keep his > > >> cool in resolving that issue went bersack, isn't that a public > > >> significant matter? If such a man as elavated he was made > > >> categorically stated that, "Don't come to my funeral" to his > > >> colleagues is published, I for one think that is a serious declaration > > >> of his state of mind and a public interest matter. This is a newspaper > > >> we are talking about, a paper that influence public opinion. > > >> So please, if you have nothing better to say, just be yourself. > > >> Suntou > > >> Suntou > > >> > > >> On 2/2/12, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Thanks Joe, > > >> > I call it burying heads into sand dunes! Not a single talk about the > > >> > impending NA elections due soon in The Gambia! > > >> > Cheers, > > >> > KT > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 01:54:32 -0600 > > >> > From: [log in to unmask] > > >> > Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly > > >> > disappointed in Halifa. Haruna. > > >> > To: [log in to unmask] > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Suntou, it is as if Presidential Elections were never held in the Gambia >> > and > > >> > you and your associates were to come and tell the people where you >> > stand > > >> > with accepting the results and what to do next. None of you is >> > addressing > > >> > that but would clutter our boxes with Foroyaa, Sam and Halifa, as if >> > they > > >> > are ruling and abusing Gambians. Clearly, either you folks are out of >> > your > > >> > league or have nothing to offer Gambians but waste their time. It is the > > >> > aftermath of the elections stupid! Exactly what most here thought you >> > folks > > >> > were about. I guess it is back to slumber for another five years while > > >> > Gambians suffer. Tell us about your damn election result stance and what >> > you > > >> > bunch are going to do, rather than this nonsense you guys are trying to > > >> > ride. If you can't do that, then open up a soup kitchen as Gambians >> > would > > >> > need it, or get lost. It is really too stale, this game of you all's. >> > The > > >> > story is Yaya Jammeh, elections, abuse, and circumstance stupid! > > >> > Joe > > >> > > > >> >> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:18:39 +0000 > > >> >> From: [log in to unmask] > > >> >> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly > > >> >> disappointed in Halifa. Haruna. > > >> >> To: [log in to unmask] > > >> >> > > >> >> Haruna > > >> >> You too have failed in your mission. I categorically call for your > > >> >> mediation, but you took it lightly. Read the statement below: (Sam > > >> >> Sarr will say: “go to Halifa”.) > > >> >> Fabakary Ceesay: "From what you have said, we all know that formally > > >> >> you may not be the managing editor, but you are part of those people > > >> >> who formed this establishment. We know that Sam Sarr is the managing > > >> >> editor, but for the past two years we all know that you acted as the > > >> >> editor-in-chief. Most of the articles, you have the final say whether > > >> >> the article should be published or not. Sometimes we go to Sam Sarr > > >> >> and ask that this article has not been published, and Sam Sarr will > > >> >> say: “go to Halifa”. So, all of us believe that you are the > > >> >> editor-in-chief, and you have the final say. " > > >> >> > > >> >> At this point, "Halifa Sallah came in and said: “Fabakary, don’t make > > >> >> remarks that are derogatory. What I am saying is Sam Sarr is your > > >> >> managing editor. What we do there has nothing to do with you people as > > >> >> employees." > > >> >> > > >> >> "Abubacarr Saidykahn: Faks, allow him to flow in.." > > >> >> > > >> >> Hence it seems all my assertions are correct to the fact that, > > >> >> Halifa's fingerprints are all over Foroyaa's editorials passing off as > > >> >> by the 'publisher'. > > >> >> In any case, the dialog is revealing and telling. 'Faks, allow him to > > >> >> flow in', flow in Halifa did. > > >> >> > > >> >> It was interesting to see Seedy Ceesay of Jamano trying to give > > >> >> alternative angle to the exchanges. This matters goes beyond political > > >> >> idolisation or holding someone in respect, it is a matter of young > > >> >> journalist wanting to be free of interferance and disturbance whilst > > >> >> carrying out their job accordingly. > > >> >> I hope Foroyaa elders see that as a foundamental condition of proper > > >> >> employee entitlement. > > >> >> Suntou > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> On 1/31/12, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > I have mentioned to somebody that the day you know how to write your > > >> >> > reports > > >> >> > without legal implications, and do it with fairness, I have no reason >> >> > to > > >> >> > be > > >> >> > here, you will not see me here. So, your grievances may be legitimate > > >> >> > grievances. It is how you put it, and to whom that matters. > > >> >> > This time you perform an abrupt folly. Some of you are just like >> >> > robots, > > >> >> > signing something without even questioning what you are signing; >> >> > without > > >> >> > even verifying what you are signing is a fact. Essentially, this is >> >> > the > > >> >> > situation. I believe that simply going and signing things without > > >> >> > actually > > >> >> > interrogating every detail you shown, I will even wonder then your > > >> >> > reports > > >> >> > whether they will not be checked again; because if a journalist >> >> > writes > > >> >> > something, he is writing facts. If you are writing petitioning is >> >> > facts, > > >> >> > and > > >> >> > none of you can say that what I do here is making your work worse. >> >> > The > > >> >> > only > > >> >> > thing we are telling me what other people are interfering. What that >> >> > has > > >> >> > got > > >> >> > to do with me? Who am I to tell people who should come, and who > > >> >> > shouldn’t > > >> >> > come here? In that sense, that is my concerns that I want to discuss > > >> >> > with > > >> >> > you, that I have been gravely wrong…To put it in writing which can be > > >> >> > utilized maliciously. In fact, you are putting my reputation into > > >> >> > danger, > > >> >> > because what you put on paper, anybody can send anywhere. The >> >> > immediate > > >> >> > thing they will say: this is what we are saying; Halifa is in fact > > >> >> > influencing these journalists to write things in favor of PDOIS. So, > > >> >> > these > > >> >> > are my concerns, and I felt I did not want to hold a meeting. I >> >> > called > > >> >> > some > > >> >> > of you to have a discussion, and you guys said it was signed by > > >> >> > everybody, > > >> >> > and that you will prefer for us to handle generally whereby everybody > > >> >> > will > > >> >> > be present. What I would have expected from anyone of you, if you >> >> > have > > >> >> > anything to tell me, is you come and tell me what is in you and we > > >> >> > settle > > >> >> > it. That is the good faith I thought that people are embodied in this > > >> >> > institution. > > >> >> > I want to make my last comment: I don’t want any of you sitting here, >> >> > if > > >> >> > I > > >> >> > were to stand for any office, to cast a vote for me. Anybody who does >> >> > or > > >> >> > signs that document, and you go and cast a vote for me, you are a > > >> >> > hypocrite. > > >> >> > Even if I die, any of you who signed that document, don’t come there >> >> > and > > >> >> > say > > >> >> > anything! Because you don’t believe what I believe, and therefore do > > >> >> > your > > >> >> > journalistic work. Not that I have any grievance against you, you >> >> > know > > >> >> > that > > >> >> > people who consider me as their enemy, when they are in trouble, that >> >> > is > > >> >> > when I stand to put myself that trouble. I will forever work, if I >> >> > can > > >> >> > do > > >> >> > anything that you can earn so that you can earn it. The reasons why I >> >> > am > > >> >> > saying this, I want to prove to you that I am not interested in being > > >> >> > anybody’s leader. Whether National Assembly, whether President, I am > > >> >> > just > > >> >> > serving a national duty. So, that is what I want to say. > > >> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan: Thank you very much uncle Halifa. > > >> >> > REACTIONS TO HALIFA SALLAH’S STATEMENT > > >> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: I think everyone of us heard what you said. > > >> >> > At this juncture Momodou Sambou wanted to come in, and there was a > > >> >> > unanimous > > >> >> > agreement that he (Momodou Sambou) should go out from the meeting. He > > >> >> > was > > >> >> > told that he is interfering, and he was not in fact invited…Halifa > > >> >> > Sallah > > >> >> > intervened and said to Sambou: “Based on what we want to achieve, >> >> > just > > >> >> > allow > > >> >> > us to achieve that”. > > >> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: From what you have said, we all know that formally >> >> > you > > >> >> > may > > >> >> > not be the managing editor, but you are part of those people who >> >> > formed > > >> >> > this > > >> >> > establishment. We know that Sam Sarr is the managing editor, but for >> >> > the > > >> >> > past two years we all know that you acted as the editor-in-chief. >> >> > Most > > >> >> > of > > >> >> > the articles, you have the final say whether the article should be > > >> >> > published > > >> >> > or not. Sometimes we go to Sam Sarr and ask that this article has >> >> > not > > >> >> > been > > >> >> > published, and Sam Sarr will say: “go to Halifa”. So, all of us >> >> > believe > > >> >> > that > > >> >> > you are the editor-in-chief, and you have the final say. > > >> >> > At this point, Halifa Sallah came in and said: “Fabakary, don’t make > > >> >> > remarks > > >> >> > that are derogatory. What I am saying is Sam Sarr is your managing > > >> >> > editor. > > >> >> > What we do there has nothing to do with you people as employees. > > >> >> > Abubacarr Saidykahn: Faks, allow him to flow in.. > > >> >> > Halifa Sallah: Just state the facts as you know them. I am saying >> >> > that > > >> >> > what > > >> >> > we do there, you don’t know, and none of you knows! It can be >> >> > privilege > > >> >> > information, but what is important is Sam Sarr is your managing >> >> > editor. > > >> >> > If > > >> >> > you want accept in food faith that I am an editorial adviser, I am >> >> > not > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > one to see. If you are protesting is your managing editor that you > > >> >> > should > > >> >> > see. The rest is between us, not between you people. If you have a > > >> >> > particular article, and you see that something is not published, that >> >> > is > > >> >> > when you should protest. If you protest, and see that yes want that > > >> >> > published, it has to be published. That is your grievances with your > > >> >> > managing editor. People have a right to do that in this institution. >> >> > I > > >> >> > have > > >> >> > seen many people who came to uncle Sam Sarr and said that my article > > >> >> > has > > >> >> > not been published, let it come. Then it is published in the next > > >> >> > instance. > > >> >> > That relation is there, is a privilege relation. It was not happening >> >> > in > > >> >> > all > > >> >> > media houses. > > >> >> > In some media houses, if you don’t bribe people, your article will >> >> > not > > >> >> > be > > >> >> > published. If you are a woman, if you don’t sleep with a person, , >> >> > you > > >> >> > don’t > > >> >> > get your article published. We know what is happening in many media > > >> >> > houses. > > >> >> > If Sam Sarr kenw that you are that type of a person, anyway I am sure > > >> >> > you > > >> >> > will not get any information from him. People are getting privilege > > >> >> > information because one believes that this is an open institution, >> >> > and > > >> >> > all > > >> >> > of us have the same interest. The day that Sam Sarr know this has >> >> > become > > >> >> > a > > >> >> > different institution (…), some even ready for destruction, I am sure > > >> >> > Sam > > >> >> > Sarr will be a type of managing editor that you people think that he >> >> > is > > >> >> > efficient. For me, I disagree with him tremendously, and if anybody >> >> > is > > >> >> > close > > >> >> > there, you will know what I am saying. That all these institutions >> >> > are > > >> >> > managed in such a way, that is what we call laissez-faire. > > >> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: We are not saying that you are interfering with our > > >> >> > work. > > >> >> > We did not say that. What we said is that political activities, >> >> > during > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > political campaign, we all know this place has been turned into a >> >> > bureau > > >> >> > of > > >> >> > the United Front. Most of their articles are in the office. We are >> >> > all > > >> >> > politicians; most of us join this institution because of our >> >> > political > > >> >> > interest, and our political affiliation; because of the objectives >> >> > that > > >> >> > we > > >> >> > believe, and the ideas of PDOIS. That is why we joined. > > >> >> > Halifa Sallah: Stop incriminating the journalists. What I am saying > > >> >> > separate, you said separation of powers. I have put a case before >> >> > you, > > >> >> > and I > > >> >> > can leave you to say what you want to say. The other that you are > > >> >> > mentioning, those are things you should mention among yourselves. > > >> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: What we said is that Halifa Sallah of PDOIS >> >> > established > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > institution. > > >> >> > Lamin Sanyang: Point of correction; it is not PDOIS, it is People’s > > >> >> > Center. > > >> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: We said both; People’s center and PDOIS. > > >> >> > Yaya Bajo came in and attempted to read the petition. Abubacarr > > >> >> > Saidykahn > > >> >> > reacted, and said that there was an adjusted version of the petition, > > >> >> > and > > >> >> > further urged Fabakary Ceesay to finish his reaction. > > >> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: What we are saying is that we are not discriminating > > >> >> > anybody coming to this place. We like that. People have been coming >> >> > to > > >> >> > this > > >> >> > institution before we come here. What we are saying is that >> >> > activities > > >> >> > of > > >> >> > political parties are all done here. People come here before they go >> >> > to > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > rallies. Sometimes you will walk into the office, and you will see >> >> > all > > >> >> > kinds > > >> >> > of people. As far as Foroyaa is concerned, we don’t have any problem > > >> >> > with > > >> >> > that. We know that people come to you for counseling, and we also >> >> > know > > >> >> > that > > >> >> > Daily Observer is the mouthpiece of the government. This institution >> >> > is > > >> >> > more > > >> >> > of a political bureau than a newspaper bureau. APRC supporters do not >> >> > go > > >> >> > to > > >> >> > Daily Observer and converge there. This is our concern. You come >> >> > here; > > >> >> > you > > >> >> > don’t even have a seat. People entered into rooms until Ousman Sillah > > >> >> > have > > >> >> > to write a note on a chair to ask people to stop removing chairs from > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > office. If I am practicing my job, I will do it impartially, >> >> > separated > > >> >> > from > > >> >> > politics. If I am into politics, I will be into politics…I will not > > >> >> > allow my > > >> >> > professional bureau to be turned into a political party. People >> >> > working > > >> >> > under that institution raised that concern. I think you should have >> >> > take > > >> >> > it > > >> >> > in good faith as far as democracy is concerned. We all know that >> >> > halifa > > >> >> > Sallah comes to Foroyaa, and thee establishment is formed by him. We > > >> >> > cannot > > >> >> > distance Halifa Sallah from Foroyaa. Even though you are at People’s > > >> >> > center, > > >> >> > you did edit our articles. We do not have a problem in that. > > >> >> > You see, Hamat Bah comes here; Henry Gomez comes here; all kinds of > > >> >> > people > > >> >> > with different affiliations come here. We know that Foroyaa is a >> >> > place > > >> >> > where > > >> >> > people come and lodge their complains. We are not saying that Halifa > > >> >> > Sallah > > >> >> > should leave Foroyaa completely. The sacrifice you have taken on >> >> > behalf > > >> >> > of > > >> >> > some of us, we know that. You specifically mentioned my name when Sam > > >> >> > Sarr, > > >> >> > Saidykhan and others were arrested. I was in the court room when >> >> > Sarata > > >> >> > Jabbie was granted bail, but she was taken away. I called Sarata’s > > >> >> > family > > >> >> > and they told that until 6 am Sarata did not join them. So, if you >> >> > said > > >> >> > that > > >> >> > I did not do my investigation correctly, I will disagree. I don’t >> >> > think > > >> >> > any > > >> >> > of us have a grievance. There are opinions that are contained in the > > >> >> > document. > > >> >> > Halifa Sallah: Confine yourself! > > >> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan: Article 15 of the petition that is what touches > > >> >> > Halifa. > > >> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: You said you will take the recommendations as > > >> >> > hostility. 99 > > >> >> > per cent of us here are your own making. For how many years, I have >> >> > been > > >> >> > listening to your lectures. I started reading Foroyaa in 1994 when I >> >> > was > > >> >> > in > > >> >> > form 3 in my High School. I started associating myself, and I am >> >> > because > > >> >> > of > > >> >> > Foroyaa. I learnt a lot from Foroyaa. You are a man of divergent >> >> > views. > > >> >> > Foroyaa has been established to create a kind of society where people > > >> >> > can > > >> >> > express themselves freely without fair or favour. We know other >> >> > people > > >> >> > from > > >> >> > other media houses the way they talk about their managing editors, >> >> > the > > >> >> > system going on. We stand straight to defend Foroyaa at anywhere. > > >> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan: We have 22 main articles on our petition here, >> >> > and > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > only that touches Halifa Sallah is article 14 which one our main > > >> >> > concern. I > > >> >> > was very interested that you are only concerned with this one. Just >> >> > to > > >> >> > reiterate what Fabakaray Ceesay said, so many things have been raised > > >> >> > before > > >> >> > us here. Out of my observation, you were peeved annoyed as to why we > > >> >> > should > > >> >> > do these recommendations, and putting your name on a lose paper that > > >> >> > might > > >> >> > fall into any hands as you said. Factually, I can assure that this >> >> > paper > > >> >> > has > > >> >> > not gone anywhere. In fact, it is only two copies that we have > > >> >> > circulated so > > >> >> > far. The only signed copies that were distributed were given to you, >> >> > and > > >> >> > uncle Sam Sarr. To be honest with you, and uncle Halifa there is >> >> > nobody > > >> >> > who > > >> >> > sat with us to connive or conspire something against you. In fact, >> >> > the > > >> >> > meeting was held here openly; people were passing in; people were >> >> > going > > >> >> > out. > > >> >> > It was one of the concerns deem necessary that we should put it >> >> > before > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > management, that is why we put it there! I was thinking that you will > > >> >> > tackle > > >> >> > this issue with understanding, and not to think that people are going > > >> >> > into > > >> >> > another stage. > > >> >> > During the presidential elections, there were many accusations that >> >> > were > > >> >> > running in and out here, and it is because of the coming of the >> >> > people > > >> >> > into > > >> >> > this office. That is why we feel that guiding this office to entirely >> >> > be > > >> >> > a > > >> >> > place of journalistic work will allow us or will save us to run away > > >> >> > from > > >> >> > all those accusations. I have mentioned one of these accusations in >> >> > one > > >> >> > of > > >> >> > the meetings at the NADD bureau, and those were people in the party. >> >> > You > > >> >> > know what I mean… > > >> >> > Nobody is saying that you are interfering with our journalistic work. > > >> >> > According to your own explanation, you’ve made proofs in some of > > >> >> > citations > > >> >> > that in my case that is a journalistic case. In the case of Sanyang, > > >> >> > that is > > >> >> > journalistic. In the case of Fabakary Ceesay, that is also >> >> > journalistic. > > >> >> > That shows to me that you are getting into things that you don’t >> >> > people > > >> >> > to > > >> >> > see as the managing editor. So, we feel, even if you are not here, >> >> > you > > >> >> > can > > >> >> > still be doing that, but not for people to accuse us outside that > > >> >> > Foroyaa is > > >> >> > mixing politics with journalism. We want to completely defend >> >> > ourselves, > > >> >> > and > > >> >> > put this institution to be respected by people so that they will it >> >> > is > > >> >> > purely journalistic. It is only journalistic work that is going in >> >> > out > > >> >> > of > > >> >> > this place. This institution is yours; I have known that since before >> >> > I > > >> >> > started working here. In fact, you told me in one of our discussions > > >> >> > that > > >> >> > you own this institution. But from your attitude uncle Halifa if a >> >> > new > > >> >> > person or a stranger comes here, he or she will not even know that >> >> > you > > >> >> > own > > >> >> > this paper. Because you have relegated yourself; you don’t show >> >> > people > > >> >> > that > > >> >> > you want property. I can testify. You taught me how to know myself >> >> > uncle > > >> >> > Halifa. Section 25 of the Constitution, I learnt it from you, from >> >> > your > > >> >> > editorials that give us power to petition the President. It is the >> >> > same > > >> >> > thing that we are applying here. We are not petitioning the >> >> > President. > > >> >> > But > > >> >> > that section, that is in the Constitution, and you taught me to know, > > >> >> > that > > >> >> > is what we are doing here. We were thinking that when put this before > > >> >> > you, > > >> >> > you would have been laughing. In fact, being inspired by our activity > > >> >> > that > > >> >> > even you are far away from here, you will believe that these people >> >> > can > > >> >> > do > > >> >> > something in my absence. > > >> >> > If you should say to us that even if you die we should not go there >> >> > sand > > >> >> > say > > >> >> > anything. Then that means, you have taken this issue to a level that >> >> > we > > >> >> > never expected. I have never, ever expected that you will say this to > > >> >> > us. I > > >> >> > was so electrified when you mentioned that. > > >> >> > You advised us that journalist must be independent, neutral and must >> >> > not > > >> >> > take side. It is your responsibility to tell us, even if it is an > > >> >> > accusation, that what we are saying is not the case. To tell us that >> >> > it > > >> >> > is > > >> >> > frivolous conspiring, that was not what we have expected.The only >> >> > area > > >> >> > that > > >> >> > concerns you Uncle Halifa is on article 15 of this recommendation, >> >> > and > > >> >> > there > > >> >> > is nobody who can clarify this issue for us more than you. Uncle Sam > > >> >> > cannot > > >> >> > elaborate on this issue and you have succinctly elucidated during >> >> > your > > >> >> > statement that you are not interfering with our work. I think that is > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > area that you should have drawn the cotton. And among us here no one >> >> > is > > >> >> > interested in conspiring against you whether in public or private. >> >> > But > > >> >> > we > > >> >> > cannot also be use like tools by anybody as well. > > >> >> > Lamin Sanyang…This meeting is to engage the management about the >> >> > issue > > >> >> > which > > >> >> > I feel is very necessary. Like you always said that uncle Halifa is >> >> > like > > >> >> > a > > >> >> > conscience to the nation you have been engaging the president and >> >> > other > > >> >> > people. So I feel if we as reporters of Foroyaa should make the same > > >> >> > thing > > >> >> > why thinking that is hostility or frivolous. I don’t think that is >> >> > it. > > >> >> > This > > >> >> > is our opinion and we all have the right to our opinions. About the >> >> > Tax > > >> >> > Commission, I was the one who was at the tax commission. Mr. Fafa >> >> > Mbye > > >> >> > was > > >> >> > at the commission and was asked about his tax payments for 2011, and >> >> > was > > >> >> > further told by the state counsel that he has defaulted which he has > > >> >> > accepted. So that is why I put that headline that he has defaulted. > > >> >> > Pateh Beldeh… I want to start with as Uncle Halifa has said. >> >> > Definitely > > >> >> > we > > >> >> > are proud of Halifa and I think each and every one of us is proud of > > >> >> > what > > >> >> > PDOIS generally not even foroyaa. Foroyaa is an organ of PDOIS. I >> >> > think > > >> >> > we > > >> >> > discuss this, we believe in this and most of us know this. We are not > > >> >> > saying > > >> >> > anybody who is at PDOIS should not be attached to Foroyaa we are not > > >> >> > saying > > >> >> > that. We are saying anything of political issues should be address at > > >> >> > people’s center. Once you are here you are putting on Foroyaa Uniform > > >> >> > this > > >> >> > we are saying. Once going for political issues you should put on > > >> >> > political > > >> >> > uniform and then we go to people’s center and address it there. As >> >> > far > > >> >> > as my > > >> >> > understanding is concern, I am a journalist and a politician. And I > > >> >> > believe > > >> >> > that uncle Halifa should be proud of us. Halifa some of us as he said > > >> >> > that > > >> >> > we were in the dustbin. He has help us to be part of the society then >> >> > we > > >> >> > should be proud of that and then he should never repeat this because >> >> > he > > >> >> > has > > >> >> > done it for the sake of Allah and people have recognize his job. The > > >> >> > whole > > >> >> > world respected Halifa and the whole world respected PDOIS no matter >> >> > you > > >> >> > are > > >> >> > from which party in this country. And no matters from which media >> >> > house, > > >> >> > if > > >> >> > you meet with a Foroyaa reporter you have to give regard to the >> >> > person. > > >> >> > No > > >> >> > matter the challenges we face, we respect the editorial board of >> >> > Foroyaa > > >> >> > but > > >> >> > it does not mean that we should not have the sake to complain to them > > >> >> > and if > > >> >> > that is case then what we learn here is meaningless. Some of us can >> >> > sit > > >> >> > here > > >> >> > and look at halifa for the whole day without realizing it. I remember > > >> >> > sitting with him while fasting but I cannot even remember that I was > > >> >> > fasting > > >> >> > just because of the love I have for him. We also come here and >> >> > encounter > > >> >> > lots of difficulties but we are taking it in good faith. > > >> >> > Musa Barrow… We describe this as a sanctuary for liberty and a >> >> > bastion > > >> >> > of > > >> >> > freedom. So essentially the spirit behind this letter I don’t it >> >> > meant > > >> >> > to > > >> >> > offend anyone because as we all know we are all been here working. Is > > >> >> > just a > > >> >> > suggestion that we are making because so often especially during the > > >> >> > campaigns some of my colleagues will complain that the office is >> >> > washed > > >> >> > with > > >> >> > so many people using the chairs. So it was out of that concern that >> >> > this > > >> >> > recommendation was made. There is no element of hostility in this. >> >> > Here > > >> >> > we > > >> >> > are brothers and sisters and I do think being hostile to one another > > >> >> > will > > >> >> > not in anyway help our course. > > >> >> > Yaya Bajo.. What I want to say with the reaction of Halifa to this > > >> >> > particular point. I think you should explain to us the answer of the > > >> >> > first > > >> >> > question you pose to us in the beginning. But to tell people that you >> >> > do > > >> >> > not > > >> >> > want people to vote for you and stuffs like that has taken me by > > >> >> > surprise > > >> >> > definitely speaking. Because I think you are a leader and you should > > >> >> > accept > > >> >> > constructive criticism. > > >> >> > Mamadou Dem... I think my colleagues have said it all. We don know >> >> > the > > >> >> > person Sam Sarr is answerable to because this is the third time we >> >> > are > > >> >> > having such kind of a meeting and all that use to say is “Yes I will > > >> >> > look > > >> >> > into it.” This is all he says and at the end of the day nothing will >> >> > be > > >> >> > implemented. We do not who is answerable to. > > >> >> > Ania Gaye.. I wan to talk on the political issue. Most of the time >> >> > you > > >> >> > will > > >> >> > fine people sitting here and all they discuss is politics which is > > >> >> > reducing > > >> >> > our character. We cannot do our journalistic work the way we should >> >> > it. > > >> >> > They > > >> >> > will all converge here talking about politics and nothing else and I > > >> >> > feel > > >> >> > that is not going to secure us as journalist and some of them could >> >> > be > > >> >> > NIAs. > > >> >> > Lamin Njie/ Accountant…For me my concern is that you people > > >> >> > misunderstood > > >> >> > uncle halifa. In any society there must be a chain work and > > >> >> > commandments. If > > >> >> > you have any problem you go the editors first and to the managing >> >> > editor > > >> >> > and > > >> >> > from the managing editor to uncle halifa he should be the last person > > >> >> > you > > >> >> > should see. If these people cannot solve your problem, among yourself > > >> >> > you > > >> >> > select one person to go to them. For me I am very much disappointed. > > >> >> > There > > >> >> > should be a chain of command and you don’t have to by past your boss. > > >> >> > You > > >> >> > know writing is very dangerous, you don’t know that? At this >> >> > juncture > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > strikers could not control laughing and Mr. Sallah intervenes by >> >> > saying > > >> >> > “You > > >> >> > guys are not serious he is talking and you are laughing.” The > > >> >> > accountant.. > > >> >> > There are lots of problems happening here without you people knowing >> >> > it. > > >> >> > Sulayman Bah… We exhausted all options before calling this meeting by > > >> >> > writing to the management it self. You see, Uncle Sam would agree but >> >> > at > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > end of the day he will do nothing absolutely. i some time fine it > > >> >> > difficult > > >> >> > to write my article and when I told uncle Sam he will show me > > >> >> > disinterest. > > >> >> > When the petition was served the way you approach me uncle halifa I > > >> >> > would > > >> >> > describe that as an attack because the whole thing is jointly written > > >> >> > and > > >> >> > every reporter agree to it. You went to the point saying that you >> >> > will > > >> >> > not > > >> >> > tolerate none science. And you always talk about democracy and >> >> > democracy > > >> >> > is > > >> >> > all about divergent views and people must express their opinions and > > >> >> > there > > >> >> > is no where were people will have the same opinions on matters. > > >> >> > Awa Bah… The difficulty we faced outside is that the moments you > > >> >> > introduce > > >> >> > yourself as a Foroyaa reporter people see you as an opposition > > >> >> > journalist > > >> >> > directly linked with politics. This is what is affecting us as > > >> >> > journalist of > > >> >> > this paper. Some people fine it difficult to send their kids to come >> >> > to > > >> >> > Fororyaa just because of the too much political ideology mixed with > > >> >> > journalism. This is not done out of anger. That is what I have to >> >> > say. > > >> >> > Sarjo Camara… Uncle Halifa, I think this move is a very progressive >> >> > move > > >> >> > to > > >> >> > me. > > >> >> > And if at all it was a reactionary move I think it would have not >> >> > come > > >> >> > in > > >> >> > this way. You are a roll model to all of us and the reason is to >> >> > bring a > > >> >> > breach between our work and politics. This is the only point we feel >> >> > you > > >> >> > should come in and clarify. We have been calling meetings in your > > >> >> > absence > > >> >> > and is the same thing we discuss. You know people better than all of >> >> > us > > >> >> > and > > >> >> > you can even read the mines of others. None of have the interest of > > >> >> > living > > >> >> > this office for another place. I personally I know what foroyaa did >> >> > for > > >> >> > me > > >> >> > so I will not exchange foroyaa for any other institution. Please, >> >> > take > > >> >> > every > > >> >> > thing in good faith and give us your own opinion the way we should >> >> > work > > >> >> > positively to achieve our aims and objectives of this organization. > > >> >> > Halifa Sallah.. Thank you very much. > > >> >> > Mamadou Sambou… Wanted to come in to say something but unfortunately >> >> > was > > >> >> > not > > >> >> > allowed by the strikers to utter a word and was further by Halifa to > > >> >> > calm > > >> >> > down. > > >> >> > Reporters’ Recommendation > > >> >> > 1. General meeting for staff and other office sections on regular >> >> > basis. > > >> >> > 2. Inconsistency with food provision. > > >> >> > 3. Salary increment: increment for payment for articles. Provision of > > >> >> > books, > > >> >> > pens, and other working materials. > > >> >> > 3. Provision of standard and workable computers. > > >> >> > 4. Refurbishion of the reporters’ place of work. > > >> >> > 5. Increment of salary status of freelance journalists according to >> >> > the > > >> >> > Gambia Press Union’s recommendations. > > >> >> > 6. Late payment of salaries. > > >> >> > 8. Reaching a contract agreement before commencement of work. > > >> >> > 9. Handing of appointment letters including employment packages i.e.: > > >> >> > entitlement. Social security membership cards and payment of social > > >> >> > security > > >> >> > dues. > > >> >> > 10. Adjustment of press cards. Eg the Gambia before institution name >> >> > and > > >> >> > emboldening of the ‘Foroyaa’ name. > > >> >> > 11. Approval of fares and late coming of approving editors. > > >> >> > 12. Transport allowances to reporters. > > >> >> > 13. Quality of editing of the articles with presentable but >> >> > captivating > > >> >> > captions > > >> >> > 14. We need sub-editors on courts, sports and other sectors: news > > >> >> > editors > > >> >> > and proof-readers from our midst. > > >> >> > 15. We recommend that Halifa Sallah of people’s Center move to the >> >> > NADD > > >> >> > office to create enough room for reporters. The besieging of the >> >> > office > > >> >> > premises by politicians is of a great concern. We recommend that >> >> > there > > >> >> > be a > > >> >> > clear separation of politics from journalism. > > >> >> > 16. We have noticed that food is not provided since the appointed >> >> > cook > > >> >> > has > > >> >> > been bed-ridden by an ailment and we recommend that a substitute cook >> >> > be > > >> >> > hired in case such circumstance occurs. > > >> >> > 17. We call for an immediate but speedy staffing of reporters who >> >> > have > > >> >> > served for more than two years. > > >> >> > 18. We recommend that reporters be upgraded PROFESSIONALLY. > > >> >> > 19. Increment of Columns pay/ informing of staff over issues of delay > > >> >> > payment of salaries IF there is any such problem. We demand reporters >> >> > be > > >> >> > giving reasonable explanation supposedly if the management is facing > > >> >> > financial hiccups. > > >> >> > 20. We are calling for a general meeting with the entire management >> >> > by > > >> >> > FRIDAY 16th, after the Friday prayers. > > >> >> > 21. The printing of the newspapers ranging from pictures, should be > > >> >> > given > > >> >> > due consideration. > > >> >> > 22. Since the paper is the oldest in the country, we recommend that >> >> > it > > >> >> > comes > > >> >> > on a daily basis. > > >> >> > IF THESE ABOVE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT GIVEN DUE AND URGENT > > >> >> > CONSIDERATION BY > > >> >> > 15th JANUARY 2012, WE WILL EMBARK ON A SIT-DOWN STRIKE. > > >> >> > Sign: > > >> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan…………………………………… > > >> >> > Sulayman Bah…………………………….. > > >> >> > Fabakary B. Ceesay……………………………………….. > > >> >> > Musa Barrow > > >> >> > Pateh Baldeh………………………………………………. > > >> >> > Mamadou Dem………………………………………………… > > >> >> > Sarjo Camara …………………………………………….. > > >> >> > Lamin Sanyang ………………………………………… > > >> >> > Annia Gaye…………………………………………… > > >> >> > Amie Sanneh………………………………….. > > >> >> > Kebba Camara ………………………….. > > >> >> > Awa B Bah …………………………………. > > >> >> > Abdoulie Dibba ……………………………. > > >> >> > Madiba Singhateh ………………………. > > >> >> > Mariama Ceesay……………………… > > >> >> > Lamin Fatty………………………….. > > >> >> > Yaya Bajo…………………………….. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > >> >> > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the > > >> >> > Gambia-L > > >> >> > Web interface > > >> >> > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > >> >> > > > >> >> > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > > >> >> > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l > > >> >> > To 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