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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:36:47 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Clarification On IEC
To: [log in to unmask]

Cousin, I rest my case... As always you did your job!

On Saturday, March 10, 2012, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Cous Fakoo Fakoo:
> [-----Original Message-----  From: C. Omar Kebbeh <[log in to unmask]>  To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>  Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:07 pm  Subject: Re: [G_L] Clarification On IEC
> Daffeh, don't insult our intelligence...] CFF.
>
> Insult what intelligence of yours?
>
> [The issue here and that of hamat and halifa are quite distinct....] CFF.
>
> Is that so?
>
> [In the case of hamat and halifa, their entire party decided to join a coalition and they had to, by our election laws, resign from their parties.] CFF.
>
> Even without election law, when two parties decide to coalesce, for whatever reason, they are best advised to complete an agreement that defines the contours of the new coalition. However, in order to contest for elections in the new coalition agreement, they cannot commit the acts of fraudulent agency. Therefore, and to the extent their memberships of the constituent coalition parties conflict with their memberships in the new coalition, the constituent party articles of incorporation must be subordinate to those of the coalition. To inform the Gambian public, this must be done by de-registration from the constituent party charters. A new body is created. And that body is now the legitimate vehicle or organization Hamat and Halifa wish to associate themselves with. Political parties are not professional associations or trades unions. And even those are governed by charter.
>
> [Remember, in both cases the entire party cease to exist.] CFF.
>
> YES.
>
> [Halifa did not resign from pdois and sedia remain and congested. They all joined with their entire resources.] CFF.
>
> Halifa did not have to resign from PDOIS. Hamat had to resign from NRP in order to become the flagbearer of the UF. The reason why Halifa did not have to resign from PDOIS is because he is a sovereign individual who could either vote for the UF or the UDP coalition when he entered the voting booth. Alone.
>
> [Mr. Daffeh is either interestwd in his own pocket] CFF.
> He could be. Halifa could also be interested in his own pocket. Hamat could also be interested in his own pocket. Sidia could also be interested in his own pocket. CFF could also be interested in his own pocket. Laye could also be interested in his own pocket. Suntou could also be interested in his own pocket. Demba could also be interested in his own pocket. That fact is not significant.
>
> [or does not agree with UDP's ideologies] CFF.
> Ditto as above. One has very little to do with the other or anything else. They are all humans, and as humans, they evolve as they grow. When they become restricted by ideology or abandon their pockets, they will cease to grow.
>
> [- the decision by darbo not to contest the elections.] CFF.
> - the decision by UDP and PDOIS not to contest a graft o an election.
>
> [In the same context, I guess it will be ok if all your former candidates including peters, nyassi, and others decide to go independent.] CFF.
>
> IT WILL BE OK if Peters, Fatty, Nyassi, Darboe, Sallah, Gomez, Jatta, Sarr, Sambou, Sillah, Bah, Bah, Jallow, Touray, Daffeh, Kebbeh, and Barry all decide to go independent, either at the same time or at different times. This is true whether or not PDOIS, UDP, NRP, GMC, ppp, or GPDP decide to boycot or not to boycot an election.
>
> [In that case what is the essence of the boycott.] CFF.
>
> The essence of the boycot from what I was able to glean was that it would be a waste of time, energy, and resources, to compete in any endeavor when there is a preferred endeavor to engage in. For exercise in health and stamina.
>
> [It means that you still believe in the election process;] CFF.
> Foregoing to participate in one endeavor is more based on your regard for the concept, your fellow participants, or the rules of engagement. Only the withdrawing participant can make that determination. It is not valuable for bystanders to divine reason or color. That is highly presumptuous and foolhardy.
>
> [that you disagree with darbo's decision that the election cannot be free and fair.] CFF.
>
> UDP's and PDOIS' and UF's determination that an election heavily-skewed in favor of any one participant is not an enterprise worth engaging in.
>
> [I think this is the beginning of the end of UDP.] CFF.
> And the resurgens of NRP, APRC, and PDOIS.
>
> [I wouldn't be surprised if more UDP candidates quit UDP and contest as independent] CFF.
> I wouldn't be surprised either. In fact I encourage more candidates of PDOIS, GMC, APRC, ppp, or GPDP to either boycot this NA election or to compete in it as Independents if they so choose.
>
> [- marking the end of the party.] CFF.
> Yes. For this election. Of course they are free to either rejoin their respective parties after the election or found new parties.
>
> [The difference between pdois and UDP is that UDP is in to get the presidency through the back door.] CFF.
> And PDOIS is in to get the presidency through the front door. The door of choice doesn't really matter. It is what they are both going after.
>
> [Darbo came in in 19996 thinking because he was feted during his first rally in brikama that he will sweep the polls.] CFF.
> UDP chose Darboe as their flagbearer because of their confidence in his abilities and popular affinity.
> NRP chose Hamat as their flagbearer because of their confidence in his abilities and popular affinity.
> PDOIS chose Halifa or Sidia as their flagbearer because of their confidence in their abilities and popular affinities.
> ppp chose OJ as their flagbearer because of their confidence in his abilities and popular affinity.
> Ditto GMC
> Ditto GPDP.
>
> [Pdois has been fighting for Gambias since the 80s.] CFF.
>
> PDOIS has been fighting for PDOIS since the 80's.
>
> [Even though sedia is holding a seat in parliament, he will not abandon pdois;] CFF.
> Sidia does not need to abandon PDOIS to maintain his affinity in Wuli. Sidia does not need to remain in PDOIS to maintain his affinity in Wulli. The same goes for Daffeh, Halifa, and all the other Assemblymen and women. Their political party affiliation has very little to do with their popular affinities.
>
> [if he does, I will buy you, Bamba, and Suntu a latte....] CFF.
>
> To choose or change political parties is a highly personal decision. No one joins a political party without personal considerations. No one should be wedded to a political party for life. Otherwise it becomes a cult for them, perhaps to replace their religions.
>
> [Sedia, like halifa, is a gentleman and will continue to stand for the Gambians.] CFF.
> Sidia, like Halifa are both gentlemen, whether or not they stand for Gambians. And whether or not they are in PDOIS.
>
> Haruna.
>
> On Saturday, March 10, 2012, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Suntou, this issue needs no clarification even if the number is four as it is normal practice for people to resign from their parties if they want to contest elections as independent candidates or candidates of another political entity other than the party they belong. In 2005/6, Halifa Sallah had to resign from pdois inorder to remain an executive member and subsequently a presidential candidate of NADD and today, he is back at the helm of the pdois party. Also, Hamat Bah resigned from NRP in 2011 inorder to contest the last presidential elections as an independent. He is now back as the leader of the national reconciliation party (NRP).
>>
>> This is more of a legal issue than a political one.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Daffeh
>>
>> On Friday, 9 March 2012, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> As of now, the UDP is only aware of one of it's MP who wish to contest
>>> as an Independent candidate not two as the IEC stated. MP Fafading
>>> Daffeh is the only one who wish to go ahead as an independent for now.
>>> He may change his mind, he may go ahead. But unless the other
>>> candidate make a declaration to UDP, we will not take the IEC's word
>>> for it.
>>> The UDP as a party will not participate unless key flaws in the system
>>> are corrected and the media plays a fair and balance role.
>>> Suntou
>>>
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