Komutan Chongs, 

There is nothing wrong with group lottery! The country is for all and sundry and not only for heroes or people with experiences like yourself only but anyone who can muster the courage and necessary leadership. We all have a right to condemn those who dined and wined with Jammeh until they are booted and are now forming parties, but we cannot prevent them from forming parties or organization, lest we become dictatorial like Jammeh. All our political parties and organizations at inceptions can be accused of self appointments as there are no convention or elections that chose those leaderships. The difference is after forming those groups, how that leadership changes and what processes are in place for those leadership changes, as seen in the STGDP.  

Since the formation of NTGC or whatever it is called. we have many negative comments about forming new groups. There are numerous media houses and no one is asking them to come together and CSAG and GMC were formed many moons ago but no one was this critical. But the newest group seem to be stimulating this sorts of debates not only here but on facebook too with groups and individuals feeling threatened, among other reactions being seen.

The rule of law and fairness should have been our vanguard even before Jammeh, for that is way to avoid tyranny and I hope that we have learnt our lessons. We cannot afford to be unfair in what ever office we occupy, from the army to the civil service! For if we do, people will feel you have to be Wollof to succeed in the army, for instance and that leads to incompetency and unprofessionalism. 

Kejau

> Khaleel
>
> I agree with you. Yaya will rule over us for a very long time. Its very
> sad, its just like a group of people who played the lottery and decide to
> share the anticipated win without a confirmation of winning.
>
> Let me be very blunt because we have an ignaramus President, any tom dick
> and harry believe our mother land is for taking. Experience and track
> record is not important, what's imporant is just to shout against jammeh
> and then am a hero and can rule Gambia.
>
> We should listen to the wisdom of Joe Sambou, some guys wine and dine with
> Jammeh and after falling out with him, then suddenly appear to be the
> biggest opposition. This really rings very hollow. We seem to have very
> short memories. The issue is not removing Jammeh but fundamentally
> changing the present Gambian system to a democratic and fair system
> underpin by rule of law and fair play. let the Gambian people decide
> . What is the difference between Jammeh and self appointed people?
>
> This is my 2 bututs.
>
> Balangbaa forever.
>
> ------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: Khaleel Jameel <[log in to unmask]>
> Sender: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:52:00
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Where are we heading to with this one?
>
>
> Joe, I share your concerns. We all understand that we can't stop, deny or
> persuade someone from forming a new group rather than joining an already
> established group but these are clear signs of the desire to divide,
> conquer and rule. Post Jammeh Gambia is worth being concerned about.
> Sometimes I can't help but wonder how much of this is about the liberation
> of the Gambia versus the desire for fame and fortune. I just hope that we
> don't fall into shit creek without a paddle. The way forward should be a
> transitional government with planned elections as soon as conditions
> permit not to have self elected people dividing government posts all among
> friends and supporters. That will be the rebirth of ugly.
> Khaleel
>
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 23:11:21 -0500
>
From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Where are we heading to with this one?
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
>
> Yero, remember what I said. "Let's Come Together" means come join us. It
> is what I joke with a friend who is Bahai. They say the Bahai Religion
> accepts all faiths and have many of the good aspects of other religions.
> My question is, if you do not think yours is better than all the ones
> that preceded you, why start one? Why did you not join those others you
> claim to be good, instead of adding to the confusion? How do folks add
> to the pile daily, yet, they complain that none is coming together? We
> have Mandela on the loose; Matthew the most qualified Gambian to be
> President; Ndoekeh Bayo our new General to lead us to the promised land;
> and on and on. It is called Race to the Front. The more they say it is
> not about them, the more it is about them. I better step aside before
> another rumble to the front crush me with their speed.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask];
> [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [>-<] Where are we heading to with this one?
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 21:55:36 -0500
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Lad, Let's say that Kali has a point about what he described as
> positioning. I will take that as Organization Lesson 101. I am just at a
> point of confusion. Recall that part of what made our path difficult in
> all the past elections are problems relating to comprimise over political
> principle. It comes down to who will be the chosen leader. If all these
> emerging groups are able to unite around a common purpose for that one
> Gambia we all love and cherish, that would be great. Thanks guys. I don't
> expect to have an answer right away. Here is another group and please
> read.... Best regards,Yero
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> JAMMEH MUST GO, A WAY FORWARD
>
> Our people have been the victims of oppression for many centuries by
> internal and
> external oppressors. Our heroic Ancestors had always resisted against all
> types of
> oppressors, though this long history of resistance is yet to result to a
> permanent
> victory. The need to come together and consolidate our forces to
> permanently
> combat the present oppressor and restore social justice is the noble task
> ahead of
> us.
>
> The APRC state terrorism against the people, cloned with the traits of
> the
> dark past,
> is the present stage of our people´s oppression. This despotic regime has
> turned
> the state into an institution of violence and violation of human rights,
> imposing
> a state of generalized fear and a program for national disunity.
> Consequently, the
> lives of our people are characterized by economic underdevelopment,
> massive
> unemployment, social and cultural degradation.
>
> The urgent task that we must carry-out as a people is to defeat the
> terror
> regime
> and prevent any subsequent post-APRC terror regime.
>
> It is important as we face the present APRC state of terror, to learn the
> lessons of
> our past failures. We need to develop appropriate programs, correct
> strategies and
> tactics, create efficient and effective organizational structures,
> combined
> with a high
> level of discipline and dedication that can lead us to defeat the present
> oppression
> and restore a permanent victory.
>
> The wave of change that has been sweeping dictatorial regimes around the
> world
> especially in North Africa and the Arab world should not leave Jammeh´s
> regime
> in the Gambia untouched. We have been witnessing how the reign of
> dictatorial
> regimes ended in those countries. The same fate awaits Yahya jammeh and
> his
> regime. Even if he runs into a "Dirima dingko" "Pahi dirimo", we will
> smoke
> him out
> to face the justice he deserves. This is the time to come together to
> remove this
> oppressive regime from our backs and restore justice and the rule of law
> in
> our dear
> country. Yes, Jammeh must go!
>
> ABOUT THE CONCERNED GAMBIANS
>
> We are a group consisting of well disciplined and focused Gambians who
> are
> willing
> to link and network with other Gambians in the diaspora and in the Gambia
> with
> a common aim to end the decadent regime of Yahya Jammeh. To give support
> to
> the efforts already initiated at home and abroad. We are convinced of the
> fact that
> without a serious and coordinated initiative, regime change in the Gambia
> will take
> far too long time to take place. Regime change is a priority. Jammeh must
> go! Yes,
> Jammeh must!
>
> Long live the Gambia! Power to the people! Regime change now!
>
> THE CONCERNED GAMBIANS
>
>
> --
>
>
> --Forwarded Message Attachment--
>
> JAMMEH MUST GO, A WAY FORWARD
> Our people have been the victims of oppression for many centuries by
> internal andexternal oppressors. Our heroic Ancestors had always resisted
> against all types ofoppressors, though this long history of resistance is
> yet to result to a permanentvictory. The need to come together and
> consolidate our forces to permanentlycombat the present oppressor and
> restore social justice is the noble task ahead ofus.
> The APRC state terrorism against the people, cloned with the traits of the
> dark past,is the present stage of our people�s oppression. This despotic
> regime has turnedthe state into an institution of violence and violation
> of human rights, imposinga state of generalized fear and a program for
> national disunity. Consequently, thelives of our people are characterized
> by economic underdevelopment, massiveunemployment, social and cultural
> degradation.
> The urgent task that we must carry-out as a people is to defeat the terror
> regimeand prevent any subsequent post-APRC terror regime.
> It is important as we face the present APRC state of terror, to learn the
> lessons ofour past failures. We need to develop appropriate programs,
> correct strategies andtactics, create efficient and effective
> organizational structures, combined with a highlevel of discipline and
> dedication that can lead us to defeat the present oppressionand restore a
> permanent victory.
> The wave of change that has been sweeping dictatorial regimes around the
> worldespecially in North Africa and the Arab world should not leave
> Jammeh�s regimein the Gambia untouched. We have been witnessing how the
> reign of dictatorialregimes ended in those countries. The same fate awaits
> Yahya jammeh and hisregime. Even if he runs into a "Dirima dingko" "Pahi
> dirimo", we will smoke him outto face the justice he deserves. This is the
> time to come together to remove thisoppressive regime from our backs and
> restore justice and the rule of law in our dearcountry. Yes, Jammeh must
> go!
> ABOUT THE CONCERNED GAMBIANS
> We are a group consisting of well disciplined and focused Gambians who are
> willingto link and network with other Gambians in the diaspora and in the
> Gambia witha common aim to end the decadent regime of Yahya Jammeh. To
> give support tothe efforts already initiated at home and abroad. We are
> convinced of the fact thatwithout a serious and coordinated initiative,
> regime change in the Gambia will takefar too long time to take place.
> Regime change is a priority. Jammeh must go! Yes,Jammeh must!
> Long live the Gambia! Power to the people! Regime change now!
> THE CONCERNED GAMBIANS
>
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 22:24:04 -0400
> Subject: Re: [>-<] Where are we heading to with this one?
>
From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> CC: [log in to unmask]
>
> Kali;When did you become Chomsky?Its sad that kali cannot mobilize
> anything anymore and now resort to this English professorship .Its really
> amazing !!!!
>
> On Thursday, November 1, 2012, Y Jallow wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the input, Kali.
>
> May I say good luck to all in seeing everyone on the same table. There is
> no news that is better than that.
>
> That said, I saw two pieces, one that is from concerned Gambians and
> another in the link below. I am starting to think that it is more worrying
> on jammeh's aftermath than getting rid of Jammeh. I don't think we need
> any more groups especially if it will make unity difficult.
>
>
> Anyway, my sincere advice to any of these players is that we should be
> serious players, move beyond the partisan level and avoid making any of
> these organizations a friendship show. That has proved not to work in the
> past.
>
>
> The compromise over principle will be an important factor.
>
> Best regards,
> Yero
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:41:54 -0700
> Subject: Re: Where are we heading to with this one?
>
>
From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Yero this is called positioning. It is when differents band together to
> create a force that can be counted when the distribution of power comes.
> It is mormal though and natural might I add so dont be alarmed.
>
> On Nov 1, 2012 6:01 PM, "Y Jallow" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://caelos.com/gainako/?p=1064
>
> Folks,
>
> Where are we heading to with this one? There ate too many organizations to
> keep a track of.
>
> Best,
> Yero
>
>
>
>
>
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