Daffeh, How do you put a record straight by calling elder names instead of putting forward reasoning instead of mere statements? I may be an 'insulate nutcase', but am not insolent like you. You did not raise any issue that need explanation, and that was my point. What Sidia was said was his opinion and I made that clear, but you went on to talk about the obvious such as Ousainou different from the party and that party making overtures without naming any such overtures. You are not only insolent but also a big hypocrite, as calling Col. Chongan Komutan is giving him his due. Komutan means commander in Turkish, you fool! Let us talk about issues as you started now. 1. UDP did not follow the wish of the people was what you said not from me, as you implied when you said Ousainou was hindered by party die hards like yourself, instead of the people of The Gambia. 2. If UDP had no agenda, what is wrong with following the agenda's of PDOIS or anyone else for that matter. 3. You tell us what your party put forward, apart from putting Darboe forward without any consultation of conference that PDOIS did need to consider. We cannot be expected to be clairvoyant and know any of your party's position to even consider them. Do not be lazy, as Joe is known to quip. so tell us what your party wanted that needed to be considered. 4. PDOIS' s position was to go to conference instead of crowning Darboe, what was UDP'S stance again, apart from crowning Darboe? 5. The insisting of PDOIS for Darboe to face the convention is democracy instead of UDP insisting on the crowning of Darboe without an convention has always been the point of contention. Lt. K Touray (Rtd)! > Kejau, > > Why would anyone want to debate with you after having proved yourself as > an > insulate nutcase. No wonder even a mere 'make the record straight' > exercise, which is exactly what I have done, is considered by you as an > insult. > > I know you have no alternative explanation on the issue and hence your > sentimental response, which is understandable, but I expect you to be > mentally mature enough to be able to distinguish 'substance talking' from > a > glib speech which is exactly what Sidia offered you in Oslo. > > By the way,was it not you who derogatorily referred to Ebrima Chogan as > ''Komuntang'' and you still have the guts to talk about insults??? > > I further ask; if the UDP have not considered the wishes of the people as > you have impliedly suggested; > > 1. Why was it that they initiated the coalition talks in the first place > and invested resources, time, intellect and emotion in trying to actualise > the wishes of the people? > > 2. Why would the UDP present a proposal that was largely based on > Halifa's > Agenda 2011, a document the PDOIS party and Sidia endorsed, if it was not > for their genuine desire to engender a compromised solution to the > stalemate and ultimately actualised the wishes of the people?? > > 3. Are you able to tell point out any single element of the UDP's position > that Sidia said or would say PDOIS had conceded or was willing to > even consider? > > 4. Do you find it reasonable that PDOIS insist on a coalition that was > entirely based on their take on the issue with utter disregard and > contempt > for the views and positions of the UDP? If you do, then I have got a > bridge to sell you in Wuli Nyakoi. > > 5. Do you consider PDOIS's reluctance to concede any element of the UDP > positions congenial to the prospect of a coalition? > > 6. If Sidia can say Darboe would have won their proposed convention, what > then was their point on insisting on a convention even if that means no > coalition? Is that what you will call pragmatism because in my book, that > is dogmatism? > > 7. Even if Darboe participated and won the convention, how would that lead > to a coalition when PDOIS inherently opposed to any idea of a UDP > party-led > alliance in line with international standards and the spirit of the > constitution while the UDP on the other hand, is opposed to the idea of an > independent candidate for legal reason? > > 8. Why was Sidia keen to scapegoat Alhagi Ousainou when in fact, the issue > was not about him but two opposing party positions?? Is it not because he > knew gullible people like you will buy anything from the PDOIS market even > if they appear perverse on the fact and insulting to the intelligence of > the sundry? > > The vision of the G6 is limited in scope and therefore not necessarily > something that would lead us to the dreamland. There is a lot more to do > and bridges to build before we can finally achieve unity in the > opposition. This is the truth and whoever tells you the contrary is not > being straight with you. > > About the proposed legal suit, you tell me, when did PDOIS became > interested in confronting the regime in court on constitutional or > electoral issues? As far as records are concern, all the constitutional > and > electoral suits that went before our courts since the birth of the second > republic as either in the name of UDP, NRP or a combination of both. PDOIS > have always stayed away to the delight of the APRC regime and Halifa. That > is the truth. > > As UDP supporters, we know what is expected of us and we certainly won't > take any lectures from a gullible ex-lieutenant Kejau Touray. The only > reason PDOIS remains adamant in the perpetuation of their > unreasonable intransigence is the kind of comfort people like you are > giving to such an uncompromising attitude and this has been and still > remains the biggest threat to any prospect of opposition unity in The > Gambia. > > Have a good day, pal. > > Daffeh > > On 8 November 2012 08:26, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Daffeh, >> >> Is it useful debating with you since you provide no reasons but just >> insults? First of all, indeed UDP as a party should consider the wishes >> of >> the people instead of few big headed party supporters,like you said. >> Secondly what overtures and national interest that is above coalition. >> The >> parties are now acting as group of 5 or 6 and such remarks from you >> without >> any substance are bound to bring disrepute. After all, the only thing >> Sidia >> said was that Ousainou would have been chosen as the flag bearer, in his >> opinion, since he would have contested against Hamat and Gomez, and he >> was >> only answering concerns raised by the attendees and since you have not >> refute that, what is your problem? So let us agree to disagree and help >> fund the legal tussles that group faces, rather than be the dividing >> factor. >> >> >> >> Kejau >> >> > Kejau, >> > It was not meant to be a coalition between Ousainu Darboe and other >> > opposition parties. So the potential of Darboe winning a convention is >> > irrelevant. Mr Darboe was not negotiating on his own behalf but >> onbehalf >> > of >> > a soveriegn political party, the United Democratic Party and that >> party >> > has >> > principles to observe and the truth to defend in the national >> interest. >> > While we are always willing and ready to make compromises and >> overtures >> > for >> > the purpose of engendering achieving and fostering unity, we have no >> > interest whatsoever, in giving comfort to the kind of unreasonable >> > intransigence,lies peddling, wishful idealism and the sheer hypocrisy >> the >> > likes of Sidia Jatta had been championing in thje recent past. >> > >> > The UDP have led the way in the search for unity and had made bold >> > overtures to achieve the same but without success. The facts are >> already >> > clearly stated in our many press statements and those of other >> > commentators. I do not intend to add anything further to the same. >> > >> > We know that PDOIS's Ayatollahs are too obssessed with Lawyer Darboe's >> > elite status, something they loathe so much (it most be a crime to be >> > considered an elite in the world of socialism) but I think it about >> time >> > they get a life. >> > >> > Kind Regards >> > Daffeh >> > >> > >> > >> > On 7 November 2012 12:39, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Folks, >> >> >> >> Listening to the eloquent Sidia Jatta last weekend in Oslo at the >> Meet >> >> the >> >> Diaspora meeting organized by ACID, it is convincing that we should >> >> support >> >> the opposition group of 5 or 6 to taking the dictatorship to court in >> >> town >> >> on issues relevant to constitutionality of the conduct of the >> election, >> >> the >> >> IEC leadership tenure, among others. Beside the fact of the brief >> >> history >> >> lesson on the failure of coalition formation, the veteran politician >> >> explained the PDOIS policy and history, among other things. This >> >> convinced >> >> me to join PDOIS and support their efforts in getting Gambia back to >> its >> >> glory days. I am a capitalist and did not think PDOIS and their >> >> socialist >> >> policy is the way forward for our country but my partner recently >> asked >> >> me >> >> if I am president of The Gambia what policies WE will put forward for >> >> our >> >> development and I was very surprised that Sidia Jatta proffered the >> same >> >> goal and policies, as I did. Also very important was Sidia Jatta's >> >> rebuttal >> >> of PDOIS being a tribal party, mentioning that Halifa learnt the >> >> Mandinka >> >> language in months and he Sidia being of both Fula and Mandinka >> origin. >> >> Sidia also confirmed my belief that Ousainou Darboe would have won >> the >> >> leadership contest at the last coalition conference had be >> participated >> >> to >> >> the end. >> >> >> >> I am therefore convinced that there is still hope for democratic >> process >> >> by using the rule of law to correct ills, as he put it. They need >> >> resources >> >> for the legal battles and we should all create funds to support their >> >> efforts as for the first time, we have all five or even 6 political >> >> parties >> >> coming together for a common cause. He urged all to send crowns, >> cents >> >> and >> >> pence to our respective parties and not wait until the elections. >> >> >> >> I hope Nyang and others have membership forms that can be duplicated >> and >> >> shared so that we can start garnering support for PDOIS! >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Kejau >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> www.vollensolutions.com >> >> Tel: 66900249 >> >> Mob: 91255698 >> >> Email: [log in to unmask] >> >> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To >> >> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >> Gambia-L >> >> Web >> >> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >> >> >> >> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >> >> http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >> >> the >> >> List Management, please send an e-mail to: >> >> [log in to unmask] >> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >> >> >> > >> > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >> >> > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >> Gambia-L >> > Web interface >> > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >> > >> > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >> > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l >> > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >> > [log in to unmask] >> > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >> > >> >> >> -- >> www.vollensolutions.com >> Tel: 66900249 >> Mob: 91255698 >> Email: [log in to unmask] >> >> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To >> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >> Web >> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >> >> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >> http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >> the >> List Management, please send an e-mail to: >> [log in to unmask]¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >> > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > Web interface > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask] > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > -- www.vollensolutions.com Tel: 66900249 Mob: 91255698 Email: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤