Daaffo!, You did not have to say that, as it is implied from your comments, that die hard supporters like you manipulated Ousainou as he seems to be a very reasonable elder statesman. You see this retired lieutenant was military police commander for years and a great investigator and disciplinarian. Since you are ashamed of outlining your party die hard supporters contentions here, we assume the obvious. Kejau > Kejau , where did I say ousainou was hindered by party-died? I made it > crystal clear that the issue was never between Ousainou and anybody or > party but between the UDP and the other parties and Ousainou was only a > representative of the UDP and negotiating unbehalf of UDP. This was > crystal > clear to all who witnessed or followed the talks. > > I will not respond to your so-called outline of issues for they merely > expose your ignorance about the issues that were the bone of contentions > before and during the coalition talks. Perhaps that is only because you > are > such a gullible and unsophisicated ex. army Lt. You certainly have > ridiculed yourself through your outlines for these issues have been > extensively debated in almost every credible Gambian medium and thus, > providing no room for distortion or misrepresentation. > > I > > > > On Thursday, 8 November 2012, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: >> Daffeh, >> >> How do you put a record straight by calling elder names instead of > putting forward reasoning instead of mere statements? I may be an > 'insulate > nutcase', but am not insolent like you. You did not raise any issue that > need explanation, and that was my point. What Sidia was said was his > opinion and I made that clear, but you went on to talk about the obvious > such as Ousainou different from the party and that party making overtures > without naming any such overtures. >> >> You are not only insolent but also a big hypocrite, as calling Col. > Chongan Komutan is giving him his due. Komutan means commander in Turkish, > you fool! >> >> Let us talk about issues as you started now. >> >> 1. UDP did not follow the wish of the people was what you said not from > me, as you implied when you said Ousainou was hindered by party die hards > like yourself, instead of the people of The Gambia. >> >> 2. If UDP had no agenda, what is wrong with following the agenda's of > PDOIS or anyone else for that matter. >> >> 3. You tell us what your party put forward, apart from putting Darboe > forward without any consultation of conference that PDOIS did need to > consider. We cannot be expected to be clairvoyant and know any of your > party's position to even consider them. Do not be lazy, as Joe is known to > quip. so tell us what your party wanted that needed to be considered. >> >> 4. PDOIS' s position was to go to conference instead of crowning Darboe, > what was UDP'S stance again, apart from crowning Darboe? >> >> 5. The insisting of PDOIS for Darboe to face the convention is >> democracy > instead of UDP insisting on the crowning of Darboe without an convention > has always been the point of contention. >> >> Lt. K Touray (Rtd)! >> >> >> >>> Kejau, >>> >>> Why would anyone want to debate with you after having proved yourself >>> as >>> an >>> insulate nutcase. No wonder even a mere 'make the record straight' >>> exercise, which is exactly what I have done, is considered by you as an >>> insult. >>> >>> I know you have no alternative explanation on the issue and hence your >>> sentimental response, which is understandable, but I expect you to be >>> mentally mature enough to be able to distinguish 'substance talking' >>> from >>> a >>> glib speech which is exactly what Sidia offered you in Oslo. >>> >>> By the way,was it not you who derogatorily referred to Ebrima Chogan as >>> ''Komuntang'' and you still have the guts to talk about insults??? >>> >>> I further ask; if the UDP have not considered the wishes of the people >>> as >>> you have impliedly suggested; >>> >>> 1. Why was it that they initiated the coalition talks in the first >>> place >>> and invested resources, time, intellect and emotion in trying to > actualise >>> the wishes of the people? >>> >>> 2. Why would the UDP present a proposal that was largely based on >>> Halifa's >>> Agenda 2011, a document the PDOIS party and Sidia endorsed, if it was >>> not >>> for their genuine desire to engender a compromised solution to the >>> stalemate and ultimately actualised the wishes of the people?? >>> >>> 3. Are you able to tell point out any single element of the UDP's > position >>> that Sidia said or would say PDOIS had conceded or was willing to >>> even consider? >>> >>> 4. Do you find it reasonable that PDOIS insist on a coalition that was >>> entirely based on their take on the issue with utter disregard and >>> contempt >>> for the views and positions of the UDP? If you do, then I have got a >>> bridge to sell you in Wuli Nyakoi. >>> >>> 5. Do you consider PDOIS's reluctance to concede any element of the UDP >>> positions congenial to the prospect of a coalition? >>> >>> 6. If Sidia can say Darboe would have won their proposed convention, >>> what >>> then was their point on insisting on a convention even if that means no >>> coalition? Is that what you will call pragmatism because in my book, >>> that >>> is dogmatism? >>> >>> 7. Even if Darboe participated and won the convention, how would that > lead >>> to a coalition when PDOIS inherently opposed to any idea of a UDP >>> party-led >>> alliance in line with international standards and the spirit of the >>> constitution while the UDP on the other hand, is opposed to the idea of > an >>> independent candidate for legal reason? >>> >>> 8. Why was Sidia keen to scapegoat Alhagi Ousainou when in fact, the > issue >>> was not about him but two opposing party positions?? Is it not because >>> he >>> knew gullible people like you will buy anything from the PDOIS market > even >>> if they appear perverse on the fact and insulting to the intelligence >>> of >>> the sundry? >>> >>> The vision of the G6 is limited in scope and therefore not necessarily >>> something that would lead us to the dreamland. There is a lot more to >>> do >>> and bridges to build before we can finally achieve unity in the >>> opposition. This is the truth and whoever tells you the contrary is not >>> being straight with you. >>> >>> About the proposed legal suit, you tell me, when did PDOIS became >>> interested in confronting the regime in court on constitutional or >>> electoral issues? As far as records are concern, all the constitutional >>> and >>> electoral suits that went before our courts since the birth of the >>> second >>> republic as either in the name of UDP, NRP or a combination of both. > PDOIS >>> have always stayed away to the delight of the APRC regime and Halifa. > That >>> is the truth. >>> >>> As UDP supporters, we know what is expected of us and we certainly >>> won't >>> take any lectures from a gullible ex-lieutenant Kejau Touray. The only >>> reason PDOIS remains adamant in the perpetuation of their >>> unreasonable intransigence is the kind of comfort people like you are >>> giving to such an uncompromising attitude and this has been and still >>> remains the biggest threat to any prospect of opposition unity in The >>> Gambia. >>> >>> Have a good day, pal. >>> >>> Daffeh >>> >>> On 8 November 2012 08:26, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Daffeh, >>>> >>>> Is it useful debating with you since you provide no reasons but just >>>> insults? 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