Ollof ying deh wah, 'Biikai moi lolu. humbahnah'. Thank you gentlemen for your perspectives. I enjoyed hearing from you both, Khaleel from a westerner perspective and Kejau from the African perspective.
I look forward to more of your input on other topics. If you both have time, both of you are invited at gainako's saturday exclusive to educate the masses. It is important that we continue to debate like the ancient greeks. This is one of the ways that we can liberate the minds.
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:08:55 +0100
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Khalell,
Your propaganda or indoctrination will not go
without challenge here. The US Armed Forces has more and graver cases of
ill discipline than any the average African Armed Forces and this is
evident by the numerous cases being investigated and prosecuted all over
the world from Japan to Iraq!
I rest my case and moving on to
more serious issues at home.
Kejau
>
> Kejau,
> I am not sure you want to really argue the discipline of the U.S Army
as
> an organization compare to any african nation armed forces. I don't
think
> that the U.S. Army is more discipline than any African army, in fact
I
> know they are. You are right Soldiers are a product of our
civilian
> populace that are trained, disciplined and commit themselves to
causes
> greater than them. Every basic trainee is broken down and remold
through
> the process of making them Soldiers. This by no means completely
change a
> person, the key word here is completely change. Brother, there is a
reason
> why the human mind cannot be legislated. Among any bunch of people
there
> are good, bad, evil and kind. No one can or should judge an
organization
> by the actions of a few. The only place many are judge by a few is
in
> statistics (random sampling) and even then certain rules apply.
The
> structure of the U.S. forces as an organization cannot be compared to
any
> other force in the world. I will be standing by for you argument on
that
> point.
> United States Army as an organization struggled with some
individual
> Soldiers being bugged down by battle fatigue and reasons known to
only
> them for selfish acts. These go back to and beyond the My Lai
massacre in
> vietnam killing about 200 men, women and children by LT Calley as
well as
> the Abu Ghraib prison scandal in Iraq to some other scandals in
> Afghanistan. These are some of the extremes of Soldier misconduct but
in
> all instances these Soldiers face charges and were prosecuted for
the
> crimes they commit, may be a case of justice delayed but it is
justice
> served. Not even in the least of these crimes is it justified for
any
> Soldier to engage in such heinous crimes and the punishments I
believe
> does not scratch the surface of the crimes committed. Look at how
many
> conflicts the U.S. Army has been in, for how long and the great
> accomplishments compare to the cases you are talking about. These
cases
> don't happen often contrary to what you believe but the sad fact is
that
> they do happen which is inexcusable by any measure
> I won't even give you any case of Soldier misconduct in just Gambia
alone
> that went unpunished, but I know you have stories of those for days
to
> tell. Fact is, our generation has changed and so is a lot of things
we
> know, do and believe. There is a severe lack of discipline in
African
> armies. Don't take that to mean the extreme case of indiscipline,
look at
> the basic things. This is what made the U.S. army successful, we
focus on
> the basics. It will be had to succeed in anything unless you master
the
> basics first. The best example of this is learning to write. No one
can
> ever construct a sentence unless you master the alphabets. The kind
of
> training required and the amount of sacrifice required of a U.S.
Soldier
> cannot be achieved without a whole lot of discipline on individual
> Soldiers.
> You may need to do more research on this line; "African armed
forces
> boosts of more graduates than any other armed forces now as is the
case
> with more civilian African graduates than the western counter
parts". I
> don't know where you get your information from but I know you don't
even
> believe that. I will take that as you trying to make conversation.
lets
> not even mention the non-commisioned officer corps and the warrant
officer
> corps of the U.S. army, take into account that all commissioned
officers
> will not be commissioned/promoted to captain without a bachelors
degree,
> and most field grade officers hold a masters degree. Majority of
the
> general officers are doctorate degree holders. This force is a
force
> requires the best out of all Soldiers. Only the brightest make it to
the
> top brother and key to that is education. Our promotion and
selection
> system is the best in the world until you get to general officers
which is
> all politics. I will welcome your argument on that as well.
> Your conclusion on discipline and effectiveness is your views, I
think you
> are putting too much emphasis on the word but my believe is that we
as
> people cannot succeed in anything we do without discipline. Basic
example;
> most people graduated high school particularly in the Gambia because,
they
> worked hard, study while other children are having fun doing other
things.
> Spend countless hours preparing for exams while sacrificing
personal
> times. This is all done through discipline unless you believe other
wise.
> Khaleel
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:01:38 +0100
>
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>
> Ya Khalell, Interesting write up, but what make you think
> the US Armed Forces is better discipline than any African Army. I
mean
> what yardstick did you use, the number of prisoners and civilians
abused
> in Iraq, Afghanistan, Japan, etc. Apart from the coup plots, US
> forces have far more cases of ill discipline than any African armed
force,
> even that of present Gambia. You see armed forces are derived from
the
> civil populace and generally the same discipline is carried into the
armed
> forces. Recently, the US sergeant major allegedly summarily
executed
> civilians in Afghanistan and those kind of incident happen very often
in
> the western armed forces than any African army especially
> dictatorship. African armed forces boosts of more graduates
> than any other armed forces now as is the case with more civilian
African
> graduates than the western counter parts, so I do not know what
planet you
> live that makes you think we are inferior to the US Armed forces.
That is
> why my take that discipline and effective, only influencing factors
on
> each other are not directly
> correlated. Thanks, Kejau >
>
>> Yero,I think the correlations between African armies and
harassing
>
>> civilians can be greatly attributed to lack of discipline and
>
>> understanding of their purpose of existence. I believe that
> discipline and
>
>> effectiveness cannot be separated in any profession
particularly
> within
>
>> the armed forces. You cannot effectively run any organization
> without
>
>> establishing and enforcing discipline. This 9-letter word is
much
> over
>
>> used and less understood. The reason why the United States
army
> has
>
>> significant success is largely because of the discipline of
its
> Soldiers.
>
>> This is not to say that every Soldier in the United States Army
is
>
>> completely discipline in all aspects but there are established
> guidelines
>
>> under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), which set
the
>
>> conditions for a discipline force.I mention earlier about
> understanding
>
>> purpose, though the U.S. Army has reputable requirements to join
its
> Army,
>
>> each Soldier is required mainly to understand their assigned
weapon
> and be
>
>> able to employ it, be physically fit but most importantly each
> Soldier
>
>> have a Military Occupation Specialty (MOS) which is their
> occupation
>
>> within the Army. These varies from engineers, mechanics,
cooks,
> combat
>
>> arms etc……. I think this helps with productivity
by
> utilizing the forces
>
>> to not only attempt to sustain themselves but also to assist
when
> needed
>
>> while saving money doing some jobs that they are trained to do
> instead of
>
>> hiring extra help. On average a U.S Soldier will go to a
school
> before
>
>> every promotion especially senior ranks. These schools are
designed
> to
>
>> teach anything from leadership, discipline and other related
lessons
> as
>
>> deem necessary. A lot of effort is put into training but most
> importantly
>
>> discipline. My favorite story on discipline and understanding
purpose
> is
>
>> the duke of wellington and the young plough boy.There is a
serious
> lack of
>
>> discipline, commitment and pride in many African Soldiers. I
am
> mostly
>
>> troubled by the level of education, training and understanding
the
> purpose
>
>> of the armed forces in Africa. The word army is utterly
associated
> with
>
>> strength, built and power of an individual vise the organization
in
> which
>
>> one serves. You have to be this stocky build guy to be a
Soldier,
> never
>
>> about what you know. Their officer corps is reserved strictly
for
> fairly
>
>> educated people with a high school diploma. This coupled with
lack
> of
>
>> experience is the reason we can’t produce military leaders
that
> can employ
>
>> critical thinking, make decisions that will benefit their
> organizations
>
>> for generations. There is also a problem that senior
commanders
> don’t have
>
>> the latitude to make key decisions.Another aspect is
advancement
> and
>
>> promotions within the ranks. As Kejau mentioned earlier,
promotions
> are
>
>> not in accordance with selecting the right person for the right
job
> base
>
>> on qualifications. In any organization, if you do not promote
and
> advance
>
>> employees base on performance, knowledge and experience, you
will
> have
>
>> your thinking done by fools an your work by people who do not
care
> but
>
>> only collect checks.I believe that if the armies are properly
> aligned,
>
>> educated, provided for and given a specialty other than
infantry
> they
>
>> would produce better results for our nations. I think the same
way
> Jammeh
>
>> utilized the Soldiers to work in his farm, the Gambia National
Army
> (GNA)
>
>> should consider buying farmlands and utilize Soldiers annually
to
> produce
>
>> most of the rice and other foodstuff they consume. This will
occupy
> them
>
>> and improve productivity while cutting the cost of our
military
> budget.
>
>> This can be done in areas of construction; carpentry and many
other
> areas
>
>> especially since we can’t even foresee war on the Gambian
land.
> I also
>
>> think that the GNA should draw down its forces, revamp their
> requirements
>
>> for new recruits, review their budget and streamline their
service
>
>> packages.Most African leaders are misguided when it comes to
armed
> forces.
>
>> The misconception of stockpiling of arms to defend their
failed
> regimes at
>
>> the detriment of our development and safety. Take a country
like
> Gambia,
>
>> all those weapons and armored vehicles are solely a show of force
to
> help
>
>> the president defend his absolute power against possible
attempts
> to
>
>> change his regime. Those same weapons were used to terrorize
the
> people,
>
>> massacre our elite citizens and students. Weapons that more
often
> serve us
>
>> ill than good in within our borders.Military service anywhere in
the
> world
>
>> is attributed to love of country and the willingness to sacrifice
for
> that
>
>> nation. It is about defending the people at any cost, it is
about
>
>> selflessness and the discipline required to know what’s
right
> and execute
>
>> it even when no one is watching. It is about commitment,
respect
> for
>
>> rules, regulations and policies understanding that wearing the
> uniform
>
>> does not put you above the law rather the law requires a lot out
of
> you
>
>> based on your service to that nation which is solely your
choice.I
> will
>
>> leave you with this; an American Soldier cannot drink or visit
> certain
>
>> establishments before he/she turns 21 but an American Soldier
will,
> is
>
>> prepared to and have died in the defense of his/her nation under
the
> age
>
>> of 21 paying the ultimate sacrifice.KhaleelDate: Sat, 24 Nov
2012
> 22:24:58
>
>> -0600
>
>>
>
>
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>
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new
> constitution
>
>> To:
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>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Kejau:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I made the
>
>> comment in reference to your military background; a position
of
> lieutenant
>
>> in
>
>> Gambian standard must have been a great achievement in the
military
> before
>
>> Jammeh. Recent promotions by jammeh are thoughtfully just
> "shameful"
>
>> as they are strictly base on loyalty to jammeh than merit. I
regret
> that I
>
>> never joined the military myself. Three years ago, I had to make
a
> tough
>
>> choice
>
>> between joining the US military and another opportunity. I
ended
> up
>
>> defaulting
>
>> to the other opportunity. I have a lot of admiration to those
that
>
>> sincerely
>
>> served.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> That said,
>
>> actually nah! I wasn't trying to tell you that all you can
> participate in
>
>> is
>
>> the topic on the military, so you and I can debate about other
> topics. In
>
>> fact,
>
>> it is out of respect that I ask you to add your lines.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Kejau: I am
>
>> simply a shepherd. That is my expertise. I am endeavoring to
add
> other
>
>> things
>
>> to my plate. When I grow up, I would like to be a scientist.
During
> my
>
>> leisure
>
>> times I enjoy debating online despite being one of the busiest
you
> can
>
>> find
>
>> around. Years ago, I met with Town crier and he inspired me. As
I
> checked
>
>> to
>
>> see all about his life, I realized town crier with all his noise
was
> a
>
>> worthy
>
>> person because he makes noise about happenings that affects
the
> daily
>
>> lives of
>
>> individuals especially the oppressed. Town crier needed my help
and
> I
>
>> promised
>
>> him ‘till death do us part.’
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Africa's
>
>> military, I am disappointed most of the times. I wholly share
the
> views
>
>> expressed by DA Jawo. I witnessed certain episodes in the
Gambia
> where
>
>> some of
>
>> the military did blunders and showed no respect at all to
civilians.
> It is
>
>> very
>
>> common to see uniformed men directing insults, beating and
kicking
>
>> civilians. In a recent interview with former lieutenant
>
>> Binneh s. Minteh now adjunct professor, he believes that more
> disciplinary
>
>> courses should be added to some of these military courses.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Most of
>
>> these coups and counter coups owe themselves to indiscipline
even
> though
>
>> we
>
>> cannot dispute a part coming from corrupt Governments and
leaders.
> The
>
>> part
>
>> where Africa’s military like some of these elements dealt
with
> students at
>
>> the
>
>> beaches, interschool’s sports, April 10th/11th,
> etc…just
>
>> shows the level of indiscipline that Minteh thinks can be
arrested
> with
>
>> inclusion of more disciplinary courses in the military
curriculum.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Most
>
>> recently, we were stocked with Dadis; forget about the Yaya for
one
> bit.
>
>> What
>
>> the trends shows is that even though Gambia’s military
take
> training from
>
>> advanced places like Turkey, we are still way behind. The trend
also
> shows
>
>> likelihood
>
>> that such problem of coups will continue as every small bird
admires
> the
>
>> bigger
>
>> bird getting the fat worms.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Back at
>
>> you, is it possible to continually keep the military at the
barracks?
> Is
>
>> it
>
>> possible to get the military to a standard where they
won’t
> bully
>
>> civilians?
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Thanks for
>
>> the debate and here I reproduce DA’s whole piece as carried
by
> Kibaaro
>
>> news. It
>
>> is open for debate. Feel free to weigh in on any forward and that
is
> goal.
>
>> I
>
>> will promise to discuss on the Muslim brotherhood next time.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Best regards,
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Yero
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> [A
>
>> prominent Gambian journalist has said that African armies have
proven
> to
>
>> be
>
>> bullies of local populations rather defending the territorial
> integrity of
>
>> their respective countries.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> “African armies are just good at one
>
>> thing, which is to constantly intimidate and harass the local
> population,”
>
>> writes Demba Ali Jawo on his Facebook page.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> “We have seen it happen in almost
>
>> all African countries, with the soldiers subjecting the
unarmed
> civilians
>
>> to
>
>> all sorts of harassment for no justifiable reasons. Yet, when
it
> comes to
>
>> defending the territorial integrity of the country, they just
> abandon
>
>> their
>
>> arms and run away.”
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Mr. Jawo believes that “until
>
>> African armies and other security outfits begin to treat the
civil
>
>> population
>
>> with respect and dignity, they will never in turn get the
respect
> and
>
>> adoration
>
>> that they deserve from the people, and as such, their morale
and
> aptitude
>
>> to
>
>> fight will continue to be low.”
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> He said what is going on in eastern
>
>> Democratic Republic of Congo is yet another shameful enigma of
> African
>
>> armies
>
>> because “it is hard to imagine how a rag-tag rebel army
could
> so easily
>
>> over-run Goma, capital of North Kivu from the government army
and
> the
>
>> so-called
>
>> UN peacekeepers, hardly meeting any resistance. Of course, when
the
> rebel
>
>> says
>
>> that they are on their way to Kinshasa, then no one should
deny
> it.”
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Such a scenario, he added, has once
>
>> again “clearly demonstrated the weakness of African
> armies.” He said
>
>> African
>
>> armies on the surface appear “brave and capable of
defending
> their
>
>> countries
>
>> against any foreign threats” when most of them in reality
are
> nothing but
>
>> a
>
>> “bunch of cowards ready to flee at the slightest sensing
of
> danger.”
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Jawo said such a weakness recently
>
>> happened in Mali where the army overthrew the government on
the
> pretext
>
>> that it
>
>> was not doing enough to equip them fight against the Toureg
rebels,
> but
>
>> only to
>
>> run helter-skelter when the rebels approached and within a week
of
> them
>
>> [rebels] taking over the country, forcing them to abandon the
entire
> north
>
>> to
>
>> the very rebels.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> “We have also seen what is going on
>
>> in northern Kenya where a group of lightly armed herdsmen
recently
> wiped
>
>> out an
>
>> entire company of heavily armed Kenyan troops, only for the army
to
> turn
>
>> their
>
>> anger on the civilian population, beating and even killing some
in
>
>> retaliation,” Jawo observed.]
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:10:18 +0100
>
>>
>
>
From:
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>
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new
> constitution
>
>> To:
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>
>>
>
>> Yero,
>
>> I was not calling you lame but your take on the
>
>> issue. Military in Africa is my expertise, eh. Very interesting,
but
> what
>
>> is yours expertise then. No pun intended, but what makes you
think
> that is
>
>> my expertise and nothing else, I take it that means I should
stick to
> that
>
>> and only that and not talk about other issues.
>
>> Well as we ask in the
>
>> military is that a request or an order, as some in African
> military
>
>> mayfind it very arrogant especially after calling me immature.
> Apologies,
>
>> but I am saying "let me hear your take on Africa's
>
>> military being that it is your expertise." can be arrogant
in
>
>> some quarter especially in my "expertise", i.e. in
the
> African
>
>> military. Just kidding though, so will give you my take when and
if I
> can
>
>> find time.
>
>> Kind
>
>> regards,
>
>> Kejau
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>> Kejau: I am not sure you want to pursue on this lame and
lazy
> line
>
>>
>
>>> eventhough I don't expect you to apologize. All I am pointing
to
> is
>
>> that
>
>>
>
>>> you can debate without calling me any name like lame. We
have
> too
>
>> much
>
>>
>
>>> humor on these debates added to the fact of taking points
that
> I
>
>> won't
>
>>
>
>>> call any genuine person lame. To start to call anyone a
name,
> you
>
>> risked
>
>>
>
>>> being called a worst name and not even an ant will tremble
from
> it.
>
>> I
>
>>
>
>>> clearly see that not only as immature but defeats the
purpose
> of
>
>> debating
>
>>
>
>>> here. Anyway, I won't push hard on that point. let us
debate
> still
>
>> and
>
>>
>
>>> clearly no heart feeling. Good job on talking about the
courts
> and
>
>> that is
>
>>
>
>>> my expectation. If you dig well, you will notice, most of
my
> forwards
>
>> are
>
>>
>
>>> to provoke debates which is the reason why we have these
> forums.
>
>> Those
>
>>
>
>>> open to dialogue can participate with their ideas on some
> matters
>
>> that
>
>>
>
>>> appeal to them. If something doesn't appeal to you, let it
> pass.
>
>> There is
>
>>
>
>>> no need to raise blood pressure on some of these leaders
like
> Morsi.
>
>> I
>
>>
>
>>> share Sidia Jatta's views on the Arab spring. You and I
have
> our
>
>> problems
>
>>
>
>>> in the Gambia. Some of these leaders you will agree
failed.
> When
>
>> jammeh
>
>>
>
>>> came to power, (you as a former Military, Lt. title) attest
to
> the
>
>> fact of
>
>>
>
>>> some of these shameful toad-metamorphosis, baby stages in
> toads.
>
>> "You
>
>>
>
>>> could have just forwarded the CNN report and let the
readers
> read
>
>> for
>
>>
>
>>> themselves rather than take their side and their story and
> then
>
>> without
>
>>
>
>>> adding any of your own observations critically."
Kejau.
> Kejau:
>
>> Don't fail
>
>>
>
>>> to realize that I am equally a reader and entitled to the
same
> basic
>
>> right
>
>>
>
>>> you want to accord to other readers. Kejau, in America,
there
> is
>
>>
>
>>> somnething we call 'democracy of the people, by the people
and
> for
>
>> the
>
>>
>
>>> people.' A single person uniformed in the presidency
shouldn't
> decide
>
>> for
>
>>
>
>>> all. These duck movements and baby steps heads no where
but
>
>> dictatorial.
>
>>
>
>>> Thanks for input on this one, let me hear your take on
> Africa's
>
>> military
>
>>
>
>>> being that it is your expertise. Best regards,Yero
>
>>
>
>>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:58:12 +0100
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
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>
>>
>
>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new
>
>> constitution
>
>>
>
>>> To:
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>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>> Yero, You wrote "My take is that you wrote that
>
>>
>
>>> if it If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck from the
far
>
>>
>
>>> and near, there is no question about it being a duck
>
>>
>
>>> Suntou". Now that is lame and lazy of you in my
>
>>
>
>>> books. In the same vein, you are pointing at what CNN
reported
>
>>
>
>>> without critically analyzing the issue being reported. You
could
> have
>
>> just
>
>>
>
>>> forwarded the CNN report and let the readers read for
> themselves
>
>> rather
>
>>
>
>>> than take their side and their story and then without adding
any
> of
>
>> your
>
>>
>
>>> own observations critically. You see the CNN reports failed
to
>
>>
>
>>> report that there are demonstration for and against these
> moves.
>
>> The
>
>>
>
>>> courts, all which were appointed by Mubarak are
frustrating
> all
>
>> efforts to
>
>>
>
>>> govern. They dissolved parliament and want to assume the
full
> role of
>
>> law
>
>>
>
>>> making as well as interpretation. The president, the only
> elected
>
>> office
>
>>
>
>>> should be the law maker in lieu of the parliament, and the
fight
> for
>
>> power
>
>>
>
>>> ensues. Instead of three arms of government, there are two
> arms
>
>> thanks to
>
>>
>
>>> the courts and now who assumes law making, which cannot be
left
> in
>
>>
>
>>> vacuum...If they do not want the president assuming
> legislative
>
>>
>
>>> powers, they should let the constitution come into effect
asap
> as
>
>> well as
>
>>
>
>>> the legislature. Kejau >
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Kejau:
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> I hope you
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> clearly make distinctions between discussions and
throwing
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> “unsubstantiated accusations”
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> as you are trying to label it. As far as I am
concerned,
> the
>
>> later is
>
>>
>
>>> far
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> from
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> it.
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> If you call
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> my points lame, wonder what I should call your points
then.
> Will
>
>> you
>
>>
>
>>> take
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> double or triple lame? Instead of engaging in the kind
of
>
>> pettiness
>
>>
>
>>> and
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> “flaming”
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> of a debate, why not debate your points across. By the
way,
> who
>
>> said
>
>>
>
>>> it is
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> because of the Muslim brotherhood? Who said it is
because
> the
>
>>
>
>>> western
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> media is
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> saying this and that? See how your sudden jump on this
>
>> won’t
>
>>
>
>>> yield a
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> progressive debate if I want to engage you in those
>
>>
>
>>> “unsubstantiated”
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> labels
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> you are trying to burry yourself in. If I may equally
ask:
> Show
>
>> me
>
>>
>
>>> your
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> objectivity
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> in the lines that you typed above, because I neither
> mentioned
>
>> his
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> association
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> with the Muslim brotherhood nor did I talk about the
> Western
>
>>
>
>>> media’s take
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> on
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> him. Maybe go back over my few lines and come back so
we
> can
>
>> continue
>
>>
>
>>> on
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> this
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> debate.
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Thanks for
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> your input nonetheless Kejau and here is the debate as
far as
> I
>
>> am
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> concerned…You are
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> stating that people should deal with the real issues
yet
> failed
>
>> to
>
>>
>
>>> realize
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> that
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> something must have happened that triggered citizens of
Egypt
> to
>
>> take
>
>>
>
>>> to
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> the
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> streets. The real issues are what citizens of that
country
> must
>
>> have
>
>>
>
>>> seen
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> to
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> take to T-Square. The history of what we seen from
these
>
>> so-called
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> liberators don’t
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> impress us so far. What we have seen is pariahs who
> falsely
>
>>
>
>>> uniform
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> themselves
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> in name of liberating the masses and as soon as they
step
> at
>
>> the
>
>>
>
>>> door,
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> they
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> play around the constitution little by little to
achieve
> their
>
>>
>
>>> much
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> desired aim
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> of ruling with an iron fist.
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> If I may poke
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> your mind, what is the reason that Egyptians took to
the
>
>> streets
>
>>
>
>>> Kejau?
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/24/world/meast/egypt-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> [President Mohamed Morsy on Thursday announced
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> that courts could not overturn any decree or law he
has
> issued
>
>>
>
>>> since
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> taking
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> office in June and, beyond that, in the six months until
a
> new
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> constitution is
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> finalized, his spokesman said on state-run TV.]
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> ["It's unprecedented, it's unimaginable,
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> it's more (power) than Mr. Mubarak ever had,"
Mohamed
>
>> ElBaradei,
>
>>
>
>>> a Nobel
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> laureate and head of Egypt's Constitution Party, told
CNN.
>
>> "This
>
>>
>
>>> is the
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> language of a dictator."]
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Just before I leave you for the weekend, I
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> thought you can add few lines on the below topic as
time
>
>> permits;
>
>>
>
>>> The
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> brutality
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> of the African Army.
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
http://kibaaro.com/?p=4588
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Best regards,
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Yero
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
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>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
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>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
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>>>>
>
>>
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>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 12:42:08 -0600
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
From:
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>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Subject: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new
>
>> constitution
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> To:
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>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
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>>>>
>
>>
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>>>
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>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
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>>>>
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>>
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>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>
>>
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>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
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>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Kejau:
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> I am missing where you are trying to get to.
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> You said, "That is so lame." Please explain
what
> you
>
>> are
>
>>
>
>>> refering to as
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> lame.
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Further you said, "...you are supposed to be
>
>>
>
>>> objective..."
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Kejau----please explain because I am truly not getting
> what
>
>> you
>
>>
>
>>> are
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> refering to as objective or not.
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Best,
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Yero
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:27:33 +0100
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
From:
[log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] President Morsi writes new
constitution
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> To:
[log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Yero,
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> That is so very lame. Just because the western media
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> labels Morsi as a dictator, he must be one?
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> As journalists, you are
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> supposed to be objective and get to the bottom of
things
>
>> before
>
>>
>
>>> jumping on
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> the band
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> wagon.
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Thanks,
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Kejau
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> Minister Suntou: Thanks for your input. Not so
soon
> about
>
>>
>
>>> missing
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> the
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> debate. If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck
from
> the
>
>> far
>
>>
>
>>> and
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> near,
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> there is no question about it being a duck Suntou.
While
> we
>
>> are
>
>>
>
>>> on
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> this
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> one; wondering what your thoughts are on the
> following:
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
http://www.maafanta.com/SidiaBayoTheNationalTransitionalCouncilOfTheGambiaNTCG.html
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> [POST JAMMEH
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> REGIME:
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> Once it
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> achieves its goal of removing Yahya Jammeh’s
> regime;
>
>> the
>
>>
>
>>> NTCG
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> will become
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> a
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> transitional government, which will only last for
2
> years]
>
>>
>
>>> Best
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> regards,Yero
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:16:47 +0000
>
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>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>
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>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
From:
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>>
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>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] President Morsi writes new
>
>> constitution
>
>>
>
>>>
>
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>>> To:
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>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>>> The question is, what powers has the President
> amass?
>
>> If
>
>>
>
>>> he
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> doesn't have
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
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>>>
>
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>
>>>>>> Veto powers, where would the buck stops. I think
to
> be
>
>> too
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> simplistic in
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>>> issues like this is missing the debate. The
> military
>
>>
>
>>> dominates
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> and for
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>>> that to end, someone must be above them. I
think
>
>> people
>
>>
>
>>> are
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> overeacting
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>>> too soon without examining the underlying
reason.
>
>> Suntou
>
>>
>
>>>
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>>>>
>
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>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>>>
>
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>>>
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>>>>
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>>
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>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>>> On 23 Nov 2012, at 22:43,
[log in to unmask] wrote:
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>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>>> > Really?Just days after Morsi brokered
> ceasefire
>
>> between
>
>>
>
>>> the
>
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>>>
>
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>>>> Isrealites
>
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>
>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>>> and Hamas,came the anouncement that he will
change
> the
>
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>
>>>
>
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>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
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>
>>>>>> constitution.The new constitution will give
the
>
>> president
>
>>
>
>>> more
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
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>
>>>>>> powers.Why did he need more powers for? My
> question
>
>> and
>
>>
>
>>> the
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> question
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>>> most people will ask is has the Arab Spring
been
>
>> effective?
>
>>
>
>>> Is
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Egypt
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>>> going back to the Hosni Mubarak era? There is
no
>
>> question
>
>>
>
>>> that
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> such a
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>>> move on the part of President Morsi is major
blow
> to
>
>> the
>
>>
>
>>> concept
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> of
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>>> the Arab Spring.Now let see how critical the
West
> will be
>
>> by
>
>>
>
>>> such
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> a
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>>> move.Right now Morsi has the West on his side.He
has
> cut
>
>> a
>
>>
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