Yero, All have the right to choose to oppose or join whichever group their heart desires, i care less. What is nonsensical is the idea that by questioning people who have sullied themselves we are trying to scare, elbow or chasing them away. Or even worst people are trying to assassinate the characters of these 'turn coats'. These 'born again' so-called opponents of Yahya must be scrutinized. I am scratching my head with the lot meeting in Dakar who we are told are heavey weights. These former 'enablers' must be scrutinized by all means. Questions must be asked about their motives and i for do not trust them. For me this struggle is beyond family and friend. If any in my own family or friends chooses to go the way of these people they will hear from me. Afterall we are only related to due to accident of nature. Best regards, Mboge On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Keep them coming bro Mboge. I think Uncle Mathew dropped the ball by the > manner and nature he defended Dr. Janneh on this one. I wholly disagree > that Dr. Janneh was out there to undermine this administration, at least > going by what Joe explained when Dr. Janneh attended the Chicago midwest > conference and soon to tell everyone that the grass was greener at Jammeh > land. I think he might have developed that after their partnership failed. > Anyway, on aanother probe, which of it should be take? Do we take what the > told Joe and the many others then or do we take the story by Dr. janneh and > Sister Ndey Tappa and now uncle Mathew? It is not convincing that Dr. > Janneh was there to wholly undermine Jammeh. > > Best guys! > > Yero > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 17:34:44 +0100 > Subject: [>-<] Re: [>-<] Re: [>-<] Character Assassination or a question > of scrutinizing the record and integrity of an ‘enabler’ who fell out with > President Yahya Jammeh: > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] > > > LJD, > > thank you for your obsevation. > > Best regards as always, > > Mboge > > > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > > Thanks Mboge for an informative and educative piece. If it is an open > society we want post-Professor, there is no alternative to embracing frank > and full discussion of material and issues in the public domain. Thank you > for the enlightening perspective of Chinweizu on the "never again" question > in African public life. > > Interesting about Mathew K Jallow's piece. I was tempted to avail the Land > Post of his perspective as published on Maafanta but had to stop myself > because he evades real time debate about his views. As he likely read > Prince's views on the L, Post, or both, he should have joined us for a > conversation on Dr Janneh. I reject Mathew's trojan angle explanation on > why Dr Janneh joined the Professor's government. This kind of argument is > quite insulting as there was absolutely no foundation to it. Dr Janneh > should have known the Professor's totalitarian system was not susceptible > to the kind of subversive activity they were alluding to from political > appointees, even if they are Cabinet level operatives. > > Again, thanks for a brilliant and sensible perspective > > > > LJDarbo > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask]; The Gambia and related-issues mailing > list <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 December 2012, 23:27 > *Subject:* [>-<] Character Assassination or a question of scrutinizing > the record and integrity of an ‘enabler’ who fell out with President Yahya > Jammeh: > > *Character Assassination or a question of scrutinizing the record and > integrity of an ‘enabler’ who fell out with President Yahya Jammeh: > The case of former Professor Dr Amadou ‘Scattered’ Janneh* > By Momodou Olly Mboge > The heated argument that erupted following the excellent factual scrutiny > of Dr Amadou ‘Scattered’ Janneh’s record both before and during his tenure > as one of President Yahya Jammeh’s State Ministers or Secretaries rumbles > on. The defenders of Janneh or should I say the ‘critically minded > analyst’ or the ‘the politically incorrect’ as one claimed, believe that > Prince Obrien-Coker and those who agree with his analogy are engaged in > assassinating the good character of Janneh as well as trying to elbow him > (and ‘turn coats like him’) out from the ranks of the opposition. Their > arguments are becoming hysterical and incoherent the more they come out > swinging in defense of Janneh. > Those who agree with Prince instead believe that it is prudent, fair, and > wise to be reminded of the ‘turn coats’ among the opponents of Jammeh who > are being compared with ‘Mandela’ as well as being positioned as the new > enlightened ‘saviours’ and champions of the struggle to rid the Gambia of > Sheikh His Excellency President Alhagi Dr Professor Yahya Jammeh. Since I > consider myself among those who agree with Prince Obrien-Coker’s > observation, I am apt to think that he is asking and trying to answer the > ‘never again’ question so as not to let future generations of Gambians > being led astray in the struggle against tyranny in their country. The > Nigerian critic, Chinweizu, who has had many an intellectual battle with > Wole Soyinka cautioned against not asking and trying to answer the ‘never > again’ question in the analogy below. He writes: > “Consider a man who has just escaped, half mauled, from the den of a pack > of hungry lions. If he is wise, his first order of business is to vow > “Never again!” and ask how he strayed there in the first place, and then to > take steps never again to make that mistake. If he does not do this, if he > fails to learn from his harrowing experience, he is stupid and deserves to > become the dinner for the next lion that comes his way. By failing to ask > and answer that “never again” question, Black Africa’s “independence” > generation let Black Africa down and led us astray.” Chinweizu (2008) > Indeed the Gambian opposition to SHEPAD Jammeh has been mauled more than > one time by pretenders and opportunists. It is way beyond the point it > should have asked the ‘never again’ question and to find answers to such a > crucial question. It will be more than stupidity not to do so. Prince > Obrien-Coker has cued us. We should be having more of the type of scrutiny > he has made on the records of Dr A S Janneh. Dr Janneh sullied his own > integrity by dining and enabling the devil. As one observer on the online > forums the good Dr ‘assassinated his own character’ and I should add he has > done a damn good job. No spinning can change that. > The lead defender of Amadou Scattered Janneh, Mathew Jallow whose > narcissism and charlatanry are legendary tells us that what Prince > Obrien-Coker wrote about his friend Janneh is just the ‘fertile > imagination’ of the gentleman devoid of evidence. He wants us to believe > that Dr Janneh and his likes were actually in the government system to > subvert President Jammeh’s efforts. In the words Mathew Jallow: “From the > day of his appointment to the day of his dismissal, Dr. Janneh worked > actively but clandestinely every opportunity he had to undermine the Yahya > Jammeh regime”. Jallow goes on to cite some evidence for this, one of > which was when Janneh was accused of working for foreign agents. The > funny thing about Mathew’s rebuttal of Prince Obrien-Coker’s facts is that > he would not divulge certain information because if does he will be > endangering some lives in the Gambia. Standard evasiveness. Well, to be me > this is an absurd excuse. If Mathew and his friends are serious in their > claim that people are trying to ‘assassinate the character’ of the good Dr > or shall I say Professor A S Janneh. I think they should be more > convincing in their arguments than hiding behind flimsy and preposterous > excuses which no one can verify or substantiate. Mathew, the man who has > bamboozled us with his skills and intellectual acumen as well as being the > ‘most qualified Gambian to be President’ should stop taking people for > being stupid. Most Gambians are discerning and are engaged critically at > all levels with the struggle to get rid of Jammeh. > As I hurriedly stated in a response (full of errors) to an editor of one > of the Gambian online papers the idea that Dr Amadou S Janneh is a Mandela > figure who has suddenly brought to light the conditions in Gambian prisons > is I repeat a fallacy and ‘nonsense on stilts’ which obviously means > nonsense upon nonsense. Any honest person following what is going on in > the Gambia knows that Foroyaa has spent a lot of ink and paper concerning > the conditions in Gambian prisons. Halifa Sallah, yes Halifa Sallah whose > mention stirs a lot anger and vitriol from some of his so-called, > self-ascribed ‘critical scrutinisers’ has continuously spoken and written > about Gambian prison conditions. Many other people with experience of > those conditions have spoken about it. The conditions in Gambian prison > have not changed since Dr Janneh’s sojourn. Dr Janneh suffered for no > one. Though I agree he was wrongly incarcerated, he did not go to prison > for the ‘people’. > Furthermore, the idea that we can learn from Dr A S Janneh’s proximity to > President Jammeh is neither here nor there. There is nothing we do not > know about Jammeh that we can learn from Dr Janneh so that argument should > be thrown where it belongs in the trash can. > For what it is worth, no one is denying Dr Amadou Scattered Janneh or > people like him the right to oppose President Jammeh. He has all the right > to do so. Equally no one should try to stop people scrutinising the > integrity of persons like him based on facts about their record. > In the mean time I eagerly await more installments from Prince > Obrien-Coker of the type on Amadou S Janneh. > > > > > > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the > List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask]¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤