Folks Please let's exercise some self-restraint. More importantly, our intellectual stimulation will require diverse opinions this will sometimes create vigorous debate which is great. However, when the debate turns out to be dismissive of each others opinion or attack on personal character we are defeating our common purpose. That being said, we are all passionate in our individual deliberations that does not mean we can' t come together as one people. I do not feel someone working for Gambia government nor does a fallout with the government prevents an individual to participate in our democratic process. I hope we will deeply reflect on areas of common bond rather than areas that will divide us. The past 48 hours we learnt Amie Bensouda and Imam Lee was arrested why not emphasize on what their families are going through? I pray to the Almighty Allah to bless our beloved country and our people. Thank you. Sariang Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Demba, > > Stop rattling nonsense. It is an absolute fib to say that i am intolerant. You defended someone who deliberately and cynically alluded that i am calling for perfection against good and you ignore his commend and have the gall to tell me all our opinions are equally important, as if ...... When did you discover that differences of opinion are important values in a democracy? The many years of barking is because of your type whose warp understanding of stuff in the name of having a critical and objective mind is holding us back. The likes you of insinuate and attribute things to people in your pretense of being objective. Rubbish i say. > > I repeat keep your moralising rubbish to yourself. > > Mboge > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> Mboge, >> >> So let me get you right, I should keep my lectures to myself and you should continue to lecture people in what you belief and support? What is the different between your lecture and my lecture? That has been my point a lot of the times... many of you don't have any tolerance for dialogue. You see it your way and don't give a flip about how others see things... No wonder we are not going anywhere despite years of barking... Intolerance anywhere is intolerance everywhere... So chill and allow people to opine as you do... >> >> Thanks >> >> Demba >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> Demba, >>> >>> Please did not see the insinuations. Please keep your lectures to yourself. >>> >>> Mboge >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> Mboge, please let's allow the debate to continue without dismissing others' positions.. Your points are as important as anybody's.. Let's not take this issue personal... Please. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>>> From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> >>>> Sender: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <[log in to unmask]> >>>> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 17:39:40 +0100 >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>> ReplyTo: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <[log in to unmask]> >>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Character Assassination or a question of scrutinizing the record and integrity of an ‘enabler’ who fell out with President Yahya Jammeh: >>>> >>>> Wonder who is calling for perfection. Rubbish allusion. Perfection is a myth. Only in the minds unreaistic dreamers. >>>> >>>> Mboge >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> And when we cut-off our malignant arms and legs, our perfectly rounded torso will writhe itself down the streets of Banjul. >>>>> >>>>> Perfection must not be the enemy of good. >>>>> >>>>> Malanding Jaiteh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/4/2012 6:27 PM, Modou Mboge wrote: >>>>>> Character Assassination or a question of scrutinizing the record and integrity of an ‘enabler’ who fell out with President Yahya Jammeh: >>>>>> The case of former Professor Dr Amadou ‘Scattered’ Janneh >>>>>> >>>>>> By Momodou Olly Mboge >>>>>> >>>>>> The heated argument that erupted following the excellent factual scrutiny of Dr Amadou ‘Scattered’ Janneh’s record both before and during his tenure as one of President Yahya Jammeh’s State Ministers or Secretaries rumbles on. The defenders of Janneh or should I say the ‘critically minded analyst’ or the ‘the politically incorrect’ as one claimed, believe that Prince Obrien-Coker and those who agree with his analogy are engaged in assassinating the good character of Janneh as well as trying to elbow him (and ‘turn coats like him’) out from the ranks of the opposition. Their arguments are becoming hysterical and incoherent the more they come out swinging in defense of Janneh. >>>>>> >>>>>> Those who agree with Prince instead believe that it is prudent, fair, and wise to be reminded of the ‘turn coats’ among the opponents of Jammeh who are being compared with ‘Mandela’ as well as being positioned as the new enlightened ‘saviours’ and champions of the struggle to rid the Gambia of Sheikh His Excellency President Alhagi Dr Professor Yahya Jammeh. Since I consider myself among those who agree with Prince Obrien-Coker’s observation, I am apt to think that he is asking and trying to answer the ‘never again’ question so as not to let future generations of Gambians being led astray in the struggle against tyranny in their country. The Nigerian critic, Chinweizu, who has had many an intellectual battle with Wole Soyinka cautioned against not asking and trying to answer the ‘never again’ question in the analogy below. He writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> “Consider a man who has just escaped, half mauled, from the den of a pack of hungry lions. If he is wise, his first order of business is to vow “Never again!” and ask how he strayed there in the first place, and then to take steps never again to make that mistake. If he does not do this, if he fails to learn from his harrowing experience, he is stupid and deserves to become the dinner for the next lion that comes his way. By failing to ask and answer that “never again” question, Black Africa’s “independence” generation let Black Africa down and led us astray.” Chinweizu (2008) >>>>>> >>>>>> Indeed the Gambian opposition to SHEPAD Jammeh has been mauled more than one time by pretenders and opportunists. It is way beyond the point it should have asked the ‘never again’ question and to find answers to such a crucial question. It will be more than stupidity not to do so. Prince Obrien-Coker has cued us. We should be having more of the type of scrutiny he has made on the records of Dr A S Janneh. Dr Janneh sullied his own integrity by dining and enabling the devil. As one observer on the online forums the good Dr ‘assassinated his own character’ and I should add he has done a damn good job. No spinning can change that. >>>>>> >>>>>> The lead defender of Amadou Scattered Janneh, Mathew Jallow whose narcissism and charlatanry are legendary tells us that what Prince Obrien-Coker wrote about his friend Janneh is just the ‘fertile imagination’ of the gentleman devoid of evidence. He wants us to believe that Dr Janneh and his likes were actually in the government system to subvert President Jammeh’s efforts. In the words Mathew Jallow: “From the day of his appointment to the day of his dismissal, Dr. Janneh worked actively but clandestinely every opportunity he had to undermine the Yahya Jammeh regime”. Jallow goes on to cite some evidence for this, one of which was when Janneh was accused of working for foreign agents. The funny thing about Mathew’s rebuttal of Prince Obrien-Coker’s facts is that he would not divulge certain information because if does he will be endangering some lives in the Gambia. Standard evasiveness. Well, to be me this is an absurd excuse. If Mathew and his friends are serious in their claim that people are trying to ‘assassinate the character’ of the good Dr or shall I say Professor A S Janneh. I think they should be more convincing in their arguments than hiding behind flimsy and preposterous excuses which no one can verify or substantiate. Mathew, the man who has bamboozled us with his skills and intellectual acumen as well as being the ‘most qualified Gambian to be President’ should stop taking people for being stupid. Most Gambians are discerning and are engaged critically at all levels with the struggle to get rid of Jammeh. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I hurriedly stated in a response (full of errors) to an editor of one of the Gambian online papers the idea that Dr Amadou S Janneh is a Mandela figure who has suddenly brought to light the conditions in Gambian prisons is I repeat a fallacy and ‘nonsense on stilts’ which obviously means nonsense upon nonsense. Any honest person following what is going on in the Gambia knows that Foroyaa has spent a lot of ink and paper concerning the conditions in Gambian prisons. Halifa Sallah, yes Halifa Sallah whose mention stirs a lot anger and vitriol from some of his so-called, self-ascribed ‘critical scrutinisers’ has continuously spoken and written about Gambian prison conditions. Many other people with experience of those conditions have spoken about it. The conditions in Gambian prison have not changed since Dr Janneh’s sojourn. Dr Janneh suffered for no one. Though I agree he was wrongly incarcerated, he did not go to prison for the ‘people’. >>>>>> >>>>>> Furthermore, the idea that we can learn from Dr A S Janneh’s proximity to President Jammeh is neither here nor there. There is nothing we do not know about Jammeh that we can learn from Dr Janneh so that argument should be thrown where it belongs in the trash can. >>>>>> >>>>>> For what it is worth, no one is denying Dr Amadou Scattered Janneh or people like him the right to oppose President Jammeh. He has all the right to do so. Equally no one should try to stop people scrutinising the integrity of persons like him based on facts about their record. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the mean time I eagerly await more installments from Prince Obrien-Coker of the type on Amadou S Janneh. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>>>>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>>>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >>>>> >>>> >>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >>>> >>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >>>> >>> >>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "Be the change you want to see in the World" >> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >> > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤