Joe, I beg, do not mind Karim and his bunch of hypocrites who try to smear anyone who dare challenge their friends integrity. What has other issues to do with the good old doctors integrity. It is not Joe whose integrity is at question here but the good old doctor's. So if you cannot bring anything to defend your neighbour and friend the good old doctor, do not make us lose the ball here. Yet you dare ask us to keep our eyes on the ball, that is Yaya! This is the problem with our Gambians friends, because I dare challenge the doctors Mandela image you attack me or my records or what ever you can lay hand on, let us talk about the issues at hand. This is not about Joe, Kejau or Chongs, but the good old doctor, so if you want to talk about me, bring another topic and talk about me not when we are discussing someone else turncoat, you jump at every straw to try to intimidate folks into silence. What is the difference between you guys and Yaya Jammeh then. Come on guys, this is common sense and sensible guys like you attacking others for challenging the good old doctors record which is being debated. Disgusting at the least. Chem waye! Kejau > > Mbodge, "Chi Mbedabi La Genah Yagah Chi Class Bi. Mana Lungema Darah"! If > I can weather a conspiracy scheme that I was a snitch for Yaya and the DC > Embassy by a gang of S$Bs just because I happen to be Jola, this is kid > gloves. I have seen my share of strategies over the last eighteen years > and I know better. In my line of work I review schemes all day. In time it > will all be unravelled, but it would be too late and a lot of water would > have gone by and there is nothing left but to shrug our shoulders in > submision. Yeh, I know Joe Bu Bareh Ai Bi; Defanteh Kat Bi, etc.. We have > a need to be SEEN as the nice guy or the cool bro, even though in some > cases we are the worst form of a two legged creature there is. I even have > a good laugh at our resident SAINTS who are never angry, ARE ALWAYS IN > CONTROL, are always happy etc. An senior fellow once told me when you hear > a married couple to tell you they have been married for 50 years and never > had a fight, just know they have been lying to each other and have just > told you a lie. I did not speak behind closed doors or in wispers but in > the open and I provided folks a name and face for them to have a fair shot > to defend themselves. That much I owe to the many folks I named and their > friends and families over the years. My conscience is what dictates what I > do. I do understand that is a burden for some folk but each to their own. > Everyday I wake up I want to be a better human being than the day before > and that means sometimes saying things that folks don't want to hear not > because they are not true, but they do not want to deal with them > honestly. Ain't that something. Amadou became an opportunist; Joe points > it out; therefore Joe is assasinating Amadou's character. Amadou's > character was butchered by Amadou long before Joe arrived at athe scene. > My only crime is I am the town crier. "Tollbi Yatouna, Kouneh Bey Sah > Waal"! > Joe > > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 20:59:24 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh > To: [log in to unmask] > > Suma makgi Chongs, Daaggai warroo deh. You are right standards are > absent in some people here. Mediocrity and Low Expections drive them. Now > 'turn coats' are more respected than the consistent opponents of the > criminality of Jammeh. Asking questions and stating facts are equated > with character assassination. The Joe Sambous and Prince Obrien Cokers who > have been consistent in their opinions and positions concerning things > Gambian are insulted for exposing the naked reality of Professor Dr Amadou > Scattered Janneh's record. We are being battered with the prison sojourn > of Janneh as a sacrifice he paid in the name of the 'people'. Mandela my > foot. Dr Janneh is no Mandela and will never be. What kind of nonsense > and insult is that. Comparing a 'turn-coat' and treacherous enabler like > Janneh with Mandela is a travesty. > I just don't get it, have Femi Peters, yourself not gone to prison for > your beliefs and stance. The last time i check Peters is still in the > Gambia doing what he could to expose Jammeh. You Chongs, have been busy > doing what you could to expose Jammeh from your station without > diminishing other peoples efforts. Now haven't Darboe, OJ, Halifa and > many more not suffered under Jammeh, yet they still are on the ground > fighting under very difficult conditions in their own way to free Gambia > from the criminal and his supporters. > Yet those i see in these forums defending Professor Janneh are the > noisiest in shouting down the opposition leaders as selfish, power > hungry, tribalists and what have you who put their interest before > country. And this based on some warped and distorted understanding of > the right to criticise. > I am really troubled by the craziness here. Koto Prince Obrien is just > putting the record straight concerning these 'Sahi laka lakas'. I hope > he continues the noble process he started in exposing the liKes of Dr > Janneh, for as a respected elder we need his guidance in these our > troubled struggle. > regards to the family,Mboge > > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Ebrima Chongan > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Suma rakkaji wahh ga degga. We have a long way to go without standards. > > E I Chongan > ------------------From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> > Sender: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 11:06:30 +0100To: > <[log in to unmask]>ReplyTo: The Gambia and Related Issues > Mailing List > <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh > > Really baffling the inconsistency of some people. They spend a lot of time > shouting, huffing and puffing and exaggerating the spinelessness of the > leaders of the established political parties on the ground in name of > their God given democratic rights to voice their opinions however > hackneyed these may be [Personally the political leaders on the ground are > far braver and authentic than most of us staying far away from home > pretending to be more concern than any living being about the goings on in > the Gambia]. > > These lot are ready to accept 'turn-coats and intellectual prostitutes' > as our Mandelas and what not for some strange reasoning. Worrying! It > seems one can go prostitute themselves to the tyrant Jammeh in the name > of contributing their share to national development, then gets thrown > out, get a couple of t-shirts and make attempts to distribute them to a > handful of followers, get arrested and thrownto prison Waalla yai > Jammbarr yeeh Jamm~yeeh. > > Now, is it a sin to state facts for posterity and not be tarred with > assassinating the character of Professor Amadou Scattered Janneh and his > likes. Men, what is wrong with stating facts? > > No wonder the messages about Jammeh's brutality are becoming more confused > everyday, reason why many ignore the Gambian diaspora and their concerns. > Koto Prince I await your next installment. The Wollofs saying Maag Maat > Naa Baa Si Daakkaa is apt here. Keep them coming. > > Best,Mboge > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:58 AM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Brother George, > Let's just all agree that Dr. Janneh did F....up... And let's also agree > that so many other Gambians did F- up before Jammeh and continue to F- > up...while Jammeh is still in power... That is the reason our country is > in such a disgraceful situation where people who cannot compete in a level > playing field are left to run our nation... > > > > I am more concern about calling people out when it is convenient and muted > when the smell is too close... We should probably come up with a list of > all those who we think F-up and see where we end up as a nation... > > > > This is what yahya Jammeh recognizes and he continuous to humiliate our > people and play that card... > Demba (Baldeh) > > > > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 5:30 PM, George Sarr <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > See, if you can't explain something to a six year old chances are you > don't understand it yourself. We have a Doctor who is among the most cited > on issues APRC (Aimless People Ruining our Country) made a conscious > decision to work for the devil, and got served proper by devil what's on > menu, and so for people coming to his defense saying he made a mistake is > absolute bullshit. There is a stark difference between mistake and fuckup. > The Dr. Fucked up, and no amount of spin will change that. If you walk > into my server room and trip a wire and bring this here Mighty Post down, > I just made a big mistake, and I might slap you twice. But if you > knowingly enter my server, and you see everything in its proper and you > start pulling wires and doing crazy things, then you just fucked up, > because you knew better. You will end up in jail, like Dr. Janneh. That > simple. Let's stop defending the indefensible. Needless to say Dr. Janneh > is not a for and is well capable of defending himself. I'm just not going > to lie for him. I don't cut corners with the truth, friend or foe. Like I > said, wahanteh degga I yuut. Mo nehh Yallah, as old and wise folks would > say. > > > > From: Joe Joe > Sent: 12/1/2012 7:28 PM > > > > To: Gambia Post > Subject: RE: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh > > > > > > Demba, thanks for your thoughts. Am I correct to conclude that a more > palatable turn-coat in Amadou is more important than those killed, > tortured, maimed, or made to disappear by Yaya while Amadou was SOS and > breaking bread with Yaya? You also being a Journalist, does it matter that > Amadou was at the table when journalists were worst hit and did nothing to > defend them? I am also assuming that you are fine with who Amadou started > as, a Professor of Political Science and the Resident Expert on Jammeh, > only to be a taker with eyes wide open. You are comfortable with his > ethics, yes? Are you also of the opinion that had Amadou not fired that he > would not have been with Yaya as I write? Lastly, this issue about Amadou > is not about a comparison between Amadou to let's say a Uwaa, FJC, or any > of those recycled material. It is about the opportunism that Amadou stands > for. It is about a person who does not believe in anything but his > personal gain. That is what took him to Gambia in the first place. What > some call Amadou's sacrifice in staying after he was fired, the rest of > Gambia saw other wise. Where was he to go, to the US, where he could not > find the kind of employment he was looking for - Professorship, the reason > Yaya became appealing? > > > > > Yes, Amadou is a Gambian and has a right to associate with whom ever, > including Yaya. What he does not have a right to is to speak for Gambians > without first coming to terms with his opportunism and it appears he has > not lost a beat. One thing is certain, Amadou is going to be reminded who > he is and will hear from some of us as long as he continues to be who he > is - "a palatable turn-coat". I am noticing a line being slowly visible in > the topic of Amadou and I think in the interest of our struggle, folks > should volunteer any potential conflicts of interest. If folks want to > come to Amadou's defense, they should not cherry pick what they want to > present, but look at the sum total of the parts. > > > > > Joe > > > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 13:31:38 -0800 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > Hi Everyone, > > While it is not my intention to defend Dr. Scattred Janneh > for whatever role he may have played in helping to prop up the Jammeh > regime, > but I do agree with some people that the very fact that he did not do as > most > others before him did, that is to stay mute and expect to be recycled when > he > was sacked, but instead he came out in the open to try and change the > system > means that he deserved some respect and commendation. > > We have seen how so many people who had been sacked and humiliated > still not only kept so mute expecting to be recycled but some of them even > went > ahead to write letters to the president to renew their support and > allegiance > > [The entire original message is not included.] > > -- > "Be the change you want to see in the World" > > > > > > > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > Web interface > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask] > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > Web interface > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask] > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > Web interface > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask] > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > Web interface > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask] > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > -- www.vollensolutions.com Tel: 66900249 Mob: 91255698 Email: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤