"Dr Janneh can offer no useful experience as far as understanding the inner workings of an utterly lawless system". LJD

LJD, unlike some who just make comments for political correctness, your position weighs heavily on me as they are always measured and with substance. The theory I advanced here on drawing lessons from Dr. Janneh's case are base on looking at his case beyond the simplicity of serving Yahya Jammeh...

My question to you,,

Could Dr. Janneh be a material witness to the murder of Deyda Hydara, April student Massacre and other heinous crimes in a court of law that were allegedly committed in his watch?

As a legal scholar do you see any potential or reason why the likes of Dr. Janneh and other close inner circles of Jammeh aids serving as witnesses (even with plea bargain) in an international court where Jammeh could be indicted for crime against humanity?

Is Dr. Janneh not in a better position like many others who served prison in Mile II to narrate the gross human rights violations and alleged torture of Gambians in Mile II regardless of his credibility? 

Didn't his complain to the courts on the horrible condition of his jail cell led to the courts ordering the review of prison conditions in Jeswang? Couldn't it have served as beacon of hope for many prisoners in similar conditions whether fruitful or not? 

LJD, see I think Dr. Janneh's case is a classic case study where the more we learn about the case the more we can draw lessons on the good and the bad of his decision. So intellectually we shouldn't just dismiss his case as "opportunism"... it may well have been, but we sure can learn from it... some can dismiss it but I think critical minds should look beyond his decision... 

His case also may have historic parallels. The world did learn something from the lessons of Hitler... People who served him and allegedly massacred millions of Dues later came out and served as eye witnesses... So was the case with Milosevic of Bosnia, Charles Taylor of Liberia... the list goes on and on... the courts even gave immunity or bargain deals with some of these alleged conspirators...

This is how I look at Dr. Janneh's case.  While we are searching for answers on why and how... let's keep an open mind and engage each other on substance and not emotions or name calling... That's my point... LJD... I may be wrong, but am sure open to learning more instead of being dismissive...

Thanks always 

Demba (baldeh)  

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:52 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Karim

I prefer "many more years ... ride with Yahya Jammeh" than  operate in any climate without standards. When Dr Janneh left us, he did so on the basis of Professor Jammeh's supposed achievements on the economic development front. A few days ago, Demba advanced the theory the struggle can benefit from Dr Janneh's time and experience as a government insider. Only yesterday, Krubally also reiterated this view. 

Tantalizing as it may be, there is nothing to this theory!

As far back as 15 years ago, the permanent features of the Professor's government - arbitrary rule and a degradation of human dignity -  took shape. That was the climate Dr Janneh embraced notwithstanding 20 years of sojourn in the world's mecca of domestic democracy. He embraced a lie, and his primary motivation was self interest. Gainako's current editorial could have been written 20 years ago! It was completely true in 2003 when Dr Janneh decided human dignity was expendable in the pursuit of materialism. Did Fatou Jaw Manneh not tell him his investment would yield nothing but misery? In sum, there is no need to serve at the Professor's councils of state policy to know how his system operates. Dr Janneh can offer no useful experience as far as understanding the inner workings of an utterly lawless system.

The contention Dr Janneh is one of many Gambians who behaved this way is not a compelling defence. None of those people were as prominent on the L and the Post as Dr Janneh. May be only one or two others were ever with us here actively. Can you now see why Dr Janneh is regarded by some as a traitor, and by all as a man of questionable integrity? I accept these are merely moral as opposed to criminal standards, but nevertheless quite important as yardsticks of character. Clearly, no level of insults directed at Joe is going to stop this! 

Characterizing Joe as "sick", "immature", "cowardly"., a "hater", and "arrogant" underscores a major misunderstanding of this giant of the Diaspora struggle. Joe was there for you when you needed the struggle on your side only three years ago I urge you to be as robust as possible with your views, but Joe does not deserve profane language from you over Dr Janneh

LJDarbo 

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From: abdoukarim sanneh <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012, 7:34

Subject: RE: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh/Joe

Joe
If you think this online cheap talk make your the self crown champipn of Gambia politics you are sick. You political maturity is really questionable and i donk fuck a damn about who you are. You start Amadou Janneh's issue in this every forum and your only aim is tearing him apart. What is Amadou's crime? Serving under Yahya Jammeh as SOS? How many more Gambian have served under Yahya Jammeh, many more counting down continues. Who among those is still active? Amadou Janneh only to my knowledge among the rest. Joe you should know that serving under Yahya Jammeh is not a crime. Joining APRC, UDP or any registered political party is not a crime. Amadou Janneh commit no crime and need no apology from any Gambian citizen since he has not subjected any Gambia to be tortured. Any media bill drafted during his tenure as SOS is not crafted by him. Bills are draft at AG's Chamber AND PASS BY ACT OF PARLIAMENT.
Joe if you think you care lot about prevailing madness in the Gambia. Why are you sitting in your comfort zone to remote control the struggle. Coward stop chest pounding online and be realistic. All this years your arrogant and distasteful remark is well noted. I give you no notice with army of hunter dog supporter. Your knowledge and experience about Gambia is only limited and it is your domicile in United State that contribute to your political education. Your that political education even has a deficit with reactionart tendency.You first think that let me tear Amadou Janneh apart because he is having a political ambition. Mr Janneh declared that his intention is not into politics but the condition in MIle Two give him more determination. A hater like you whose silly intention to make himself a dominate voice of Gambian diaspora politic come up silly remark turn coat or what and what. Joe as long as lot more like you don't change their characters this struggle will continue to have a credibility issues and lot more will not treat us seriously. Which mean many more years to ride with Yahya Jammeh. 

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From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh/Joe
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:06:22 -0600

George, Yai Faleh Abdoukarim! Setal lim Bowe Nga Wah Mah Lu Chi Nyorr. He is akin to the mentally challenged chap at the Saintou Werru Korr. All of a sudden he yelled that he saw the crescent and as folks rejoiced that he is indeed healed and gather around him for the discovery, his mind saw three more crescents and a fourth and fifth. Helalko Chornoh La Pour Mom! I rest my case. 

Joe

> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:14:14 -0500
> Subject: RE: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh/Joe
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by "George Sarr" <[log in to unmask]> ]
>
>
> This IMHO is the worst form of "Character Assassination" we are ALL
> witnessing jaharang right here, and with all the talk from those who came
> to defend Dr. Janneh's character armed to their teeth, you would think
> those same people who care so much about protecting peoples' characters
> would jump to Joe Sambou's defense and call a spade a spade with equal
> vigor. BUT NO, they are nowhere to be found, as if Dr. Janneh is more
> special than Joe Sambou. Bilai Wolai some of us are so full of hypocrisy
> it is terrifying to put it mildly.
>
> I'm just saying....
> -George
>
> >
> >
> > Joe Sambou it is about time you pack your bullshit. You may think that
> > you and your voice is the champion or directive to our struggle but you
> > are full of hate. For all this years a lot like you think that you can
> > remote control this struggle and you should know that we are going
> > nowhere and lot more years to ride with Yahya Jammeh. Our stuggle is face
> > with credibility issues. Hate and anger become a dominate agenda while
> > reconcilation is far distance. You never learn about diplomacy and guess
> > what you are not that difference Yahya Jammeh and his distaseful remark.
> > Joe Sambou have discipline and grow up to tolerate people you have past
> > political difference but join you the wider struggle. We all see things
> > are difference lenses but sometime experience help to adjust our lenses.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: RE: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh
> > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:36:24 -0600
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Father Mose, you see, you folks sit with Amadou and come out as believers
> > at the end of it. The fact is Amadou is the definition of opportunism and
> > his ethics speak for itself and you cannot deny that. This is also why
> > Africa is full of dictators because we endorse the worse in our society as
> > the best. Well, we might as well all sell our soul to Yaya, get what we
> > can get and after we are jettison come back here as the new freedom
> > fighters. The fact that you have all these folks in the diaspora fighting
> > to liberate our country through great sacrifice on top of supporting an
> > economy called the Gambia, yet, you all want to suffocate us with an
> > opportunist as an asset is an insult to our sensibilities. You all don't
> > know nothing that we are not aware of. A PhD holder is no fool, especially
> > when he was the resident expert on Jammeh, ok. Our reasoning is the reason
> > why Yaya says stuff like, "I get my money from Allah's bank"; holding a
> > diskett followed ba a convoy for his oil contracts; Healing the sick, etc.
> > Because our minds work in mysterious ways. This whole Amadou affair is a
> > scheme. I know the whole Senegal thing is getting some excited, but a
> > warning to the wise is sufficient. There is a reason why after fifty
> > years, Gambia and Senegal are still playing the cat and mouse game. If I
> > cannot trust a person's ethics, I cannot trust that person period. Without
> > intergrity all else is a waste of time. In the end, those that ride with
> > Amadou will ride with him and some of us can run and chew cola at the same
> > time and will always be heard when we smell stink. Musa, you know that you
> > cannot tell us anything about Amadou that we have not witnessed no matter
> > how long you all beat that drum. Prince gave a chronology of Amadou's
> > footsteps where it mattered the most, where is that in your convenient
> > list. Mose, it is about the ethics!
> >
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:36:43 +0000
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gpost:
> >
> > It is indeed unfortunate that some people are really convinced that to put
> > the focus on Dr. Janneh, is without a doubt the best way to help us bring
> > sanity to our country. Dr. Amadou Janneh and a whole lots of people should
> > and would answer to Gambians at the right time, but for now the only
> > person who is the very one responsible for our country going off a cliff
> > is Jammeh, and to put the focus anywhere else is futile. He is the only
> > one with power in our country, and singlehandedly responsible for the evil
> > things happening, that is not to say withour help from some quarters.
> > Jammeh has gotten help from a good number of us, including the pack of
> > "indifference".
> >
> > I get it that Dr. Amadou Janneh made a calculation and joined the Jammeh
> > administration, after publicly denounced the APRC which all of us
> > witnessed here on the GPOST. If you are going to judge him and hold him
> > accountable for his actions and decisions, at least do it in totality and
> > completely. Do not cherry pick, especialy when we re not all aware of his
> > actions at the Mile 2 prison, and after he became a free man. Let us state
> > the general facts that we all knwo about the Dr. Amadou's decisions and in
> > comparison to 99.8% of Gambians living at home and in the Diaspora:
> >
> > Dr. Amadou
> > Tirelessly Denounced the APRC as the worst system
> > He eventually joined the regime
> > He witnessed and remained silence while Gambians were murdered while
> > serving as SOS
> > He was fired from his job
> > He continued to live in the Gambia
> > He made a calculation to take on the regime
> > HE spent close to two years at the mile 2 prison, and part of it in
> > solitary confinement
> > He helped in exposing the atrocities at the Mile 2, taking lots of risk to
> > expose the regime
> > He was the very person responsilbe for letting the whole world know that
> > the 9 inmates were executed
> > He turned down a deal to send a letter of apology to get himself out of
> > the mile
> > He was given an amnesty out of the Mile 2.
> > Weeks after his release, he embarked on his crusade to fight the regime by
> > heading to ground zero
> > He continues to publicly talked about the need to replace the regime, and
> > expose the human rights violation.
> >
> > Let us look at 99.8% of Gambians:
> >
> > A good number of us either chose to support the regime, or remain silence
> > by playing it safe
> > A good number of us have never said anything about the regime for fear of
> > been identify, and a few will even defend the regime.
> > A good number of us have never lifted a finger when Gambins are been
> > murdered, and their human rights been violated; of course a few would even
> > turned a blind eye and defend the regime.
> > A good number of us would not join anykind of organization, and give us
> > the excuse that they re not interested in politics.
> > A good number of us are uch more focus on our jobs,families and things we
> > see are much more important than having to deal with a mad man that cannot
> > be stopped.
> >
> > I am sure you can see where I am heading, and there is no doubt that this
> > struggle needs the Dr. Amadou Janneh's to continue doing what he is doing
> > to help in bringing change to the country. I am all for holding people
> > accountable, but does anyone really believe that now is the time to focus
> > on the very person that is committed to help our fight against evil. Let
> > us also be honest, he has never called himself the Mandela of the
> > struggle; he has never made any public declaration that he is interested
> > to be the next president of the Gambia, in fact made a public statement to
> > the contrary. What in Gods name do we want him to do? Is our struggle to
> > bring an end to evil better off without the good Dr? It is ok to hold
> > people accountable, but I am not sure the timing of it is really the right
> > time.
> >
> > In conclusion, I am also swayed by most of the points raised by Prince
> > Obrien, especially when he highlighted that Amadou was the SOS when Deyda
> > and some of these bad laws were enacted. I would like to see Amadou to
> > address them and to help us understand his mindset during this period. But
> > it is one thing to constructively engage a person we are on the same team,
> > and another thing to declare a Fatuwa against him. The only person that
> > could benefit when we railed after one of us is the very person we believe
> > has to be stopped.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Musa Jeng
> >
> > Than you
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Sainey Sisay" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 12:07:52 PM
> > Subject: RE: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kejau,
> > You owe Essa Sey a big apology. I am not Essa.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 13:59:10 +0100
> > Subject: RE: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > No, not to me as I do not matter in the grand scheme of things, but to all
> > Gambians, Essa Sey, aka Sainey, but he owes apologies to Gambians. I did
> > not continue to work with any junta but in the armed forces as before the
> > junta. I was not a cabinet member and unless you wish all civil servants
> > and armed forces personnel, the police officer, judges, magistrates and
> > every tom dick and harry that was working in Gambia government to have
> > quit, then it is unfair to ask why I did not quit until when I did. Be
> > fair and notice that I was never fired like you or the good old doctor. It
> > bothers you as you were fired as ambassador that we are castigating anther
> > opportunist like you. I did start writing on Gambia post and L whilst
> > serving my country but unlike you sergeant major, I was not attacking
> > anyone who denounced the regime.
> > Kejau
> >
> >>
> >> Yep, I agree with you Abdoukaarim. Kejaw, you claimed to have witness
> >> some
> >> of the executions and yet stll, you continued to work with the junta.
> >> You
> >> had never spoken against them whiles you were in the Gambia. This is
> >> exactly what Dr Janneh did, and this is why he ended up in jail. Come on
> >> let's face it Dr Janneh is a lot barver than most of these keyboard
> >> worriors. Who does he owe an apology to? Certainly not you, Kejaw.
> >>
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: RE: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh
> >> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 22:54:55 +0000
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kejau did you apologise as a soldier for the 1994 take over. You are
> >> also
> >> among that palatable turncoat. Check your past before you comment about
> >> others. You also prop up Jammeh having serve as LT WHEN THE JUNTA was in
> >> power.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 23:08:47 +0100
> >> Subject: Re: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh
> >>
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>
> >>
> >> A more palatable turncoat, I agree, but still a turncoat and needs to
> >> apologize for his betrayal of our people in the first place.
> >>
> >> Kejau
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Everyone,
> >>> While it is not my intention to defend Dr. Scattred Janneh
> >>> for whatever role he may have played in helping to prop up the Jammeh
> >>> regime,
> >>> but I do agree with some people that the very fact that he did not do
> >>> as
> >>> most
> >>> others before him did, that is to stay mute and expect to be recycled
> >>> when
> >>> he
> >>> was sacked, but instead he came out in the open to try and change the
> >>> system
> >>> means that he deserved some respect and commendation.
> >>> We have seen how so many people who had been sacked and humiliated
> >>> still not only kept so mute expecting to be recycled but some of them
> >>> even
> >>> went
> >>> ahead to write letters to the president to renew their support and
> >>> allegiance
> >>> to him as if they cannot survive on their own.
> >>> Therefore, the fact that Dr. Scattred Janneh did not subject
> >>> himself to such humiliation but instead he also risked everything to
> >>> stand
> >>> up
> >>> to the regime makes him a more palatable ‘turn-coat’ than many others.
> >>> Demba
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>
> >>
> > From: Oceanic Lad <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2012, 18:14
> >>> Subject: Re: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ousainou NK Darboe but DK Jawara is the worst .
> >>>
> >>> On Saturday, December 1, 2012, Sainey Sisay wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Nobody is perfect. In our fight against the dictator, we need all hands
> >>> on
> >>> deck. Dr Janneh could have taken the easy way out after falling out
> >>> with
> >>> the dictator by either praise singing him or just keep mute like others
> >>> who had fallen out with dictator. If we continue attacking each other
> >>> instead of concentrating on curing our body politics of this cancer
> >>> call Yahya Jammeh, then let's be prapare for a long ride with him. Who
> >>> is
> >>> Gambia's worse
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>________________________________
> >>>>Subject: Re: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh
> >>>>From: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 16:05:23 +0000
> >>>>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>I've got a headache
> >>>>
> >>>>On 1 Dec 2012, at 15:40, abdoukarim sanneh
> >>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Is our political strugge focussed on political system or
> >>>> individual(personality)? A right to political association is a free
> >>>> choice every individual including Amadou Janneh. I didn't subscribe to
> >>>> Dr
> >>>> Janneh's views and comments about Gambian Journalists. It will be a
> >>>> classic case of dishonesty or another Gambia online character
> >>>> assasination to illusive think that Amadou Janneh craft the media laws
> >>>> in
> >>>> his tenure as SOS. I really embrace Amadou Janneh's efforts since his
> >>>> release from Mile Two. He is not muted with silence!
> >>>>>________________________________
> >>>>>
> >>
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>>To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
> >>>>>Subject: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh
> >>>>>Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:40:27 +0100
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>“… some guys wine and dine with Jammeh and after falling out with him,
> >>>>> they suddenly appear to be the biggest opposition.” E. I. Chongan
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Now that the dust has settled on executions in the Gambia and the
> >>>>> release of Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh, it is now time to revisit the
> >>>>> case of the good old doctor. I have read two interviews with the
> >>>>> doctor
> >>>>> after his release and yet was astonished by the questions he was
> >>>>> asked.
> >>>>>When Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh, as SOS for Information etc, referred
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> some Gambian journalists as “sloppy” and as “high school graduates
> >>>>> not
> >>>>> knowing what they were doing” and also promised to deal with it
> >>>>> effectively, I did not know what he meant. But after reading these
> >>>>> interviews, it became clear to me.
> >>>>>Dr Janneh was the SOS for Information etc. from 2004 to 2005 and many
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> the atrocities and persecutions against Gambian journalists was in
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> period but that was overlooked by the interviewers. Pa Nderry Mbai,
> >>>>> who
> >>>>> bagged a degree in Mass Communication and also the CEO, Managing
> >>>>> Editor
> >>>>> and Producer of the Freedom Newspaper, was more concerned whether Dr.
> >>>>> Janneh had a Fan at Mile 2. Had Pa Nderry done his research properly,
> >>>>> he
> >>>>> would have known that, at Mile 2, inmates would have more solace in a
> >>>>> coil of “Moon Tiger” than an electric fan. Inmates battle tsetse
> >>>>> flies
> >>>>> during the day, mosquitoes at night and the “mutu-mutu” day and
> >>>>> night.
> >>>>>Dr. Janneh has emerged from this as a victim of Yahya Jammeh, but in
> >>>>> actual fact he is simply a victim of his own arrogance and
> >>>>> egocentricity. Dr, Janneh knew that if he goes to bed with a stray
> >>>>> dog,
> >>>>> he will wake up with fleas. Pa Nderry had even gone so far as to
> >>>>> compare Dr. Janneh with the Greek philosopher, Socrates. I think that
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> stretching it too far. I think Pa Nderry should keep himself to what
> >>>>> he
> >>>>> knows best, and leave the Classics to the classicists. There is
> >>>>> nowhere
> >>>>> in his works that shows that Socrates betrayed the trust and
> >>>>> confidence
> >>>>> of his peers. The sooner we confront these turncoats with the facts
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> their treachery, the earlier the Gambia will be free of tyranny. We
> >>>>> should never forget that the Baron got his absolute power through the
> >>>>> machinations of kaleidoscopic “sahi laka-laka” like Dr. Amadou
> >>>>> Scattered
> >>>>> Janneh.
> >>>>>What happened during Dr. Janneh’s tenure as S.O.S. for Information,
> >>>>> Technology and Communication?
> >>>>>The man was appointed on Thursday, 8th April 2004.
> >>>>>On Saturday and Sunday, 10th and 11th April 2004, (Yes!! 10th and 11th
> >>>>> April) he received well-wishers who came to congratulate him for his
> >>>>> appointment.
> >>>>>Tuesday 13th April 2004, of all days, was his first day in office.
> >>>>>Wednesday 14th April 2004 the Independent Newspaper was firebombed
> >>>>>Friday 19th April 2004, Dr. Janneh gave an interview to DO in which he
> >>>>> referred to Gambian journalists as “Sloppy and high school leavers”.
> >>>>> He
> >>>>> also expressed his desire to abolish the Nation Media Commission,
> >>>>> thus
> >>>>> giving him total control of the media. And his opportunism in
> >>>>> becoming
> >>>>> one of those he once called “Aimless People Ruining our Country.”
> >>>>>On Monday 9th August 2004, D.A. Jawo, as President of the GPU,
> >>>>> received
> >>>>> a threatening letter with the message: "Very soon we will teach one
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> your journalists
> >>
> >>
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