Demba, you summed it pretty well when you said, “The system in the Gambia is what is rotten. Generally our people are decent people and have a lot of humility. They have been forced to live under brutal circumstances. I mean Dr. Janneh is no different from thousands of our fellow citizens who served under the Jawara regime and ran shelter to cuddle with Jammeh despite the humiliation metted on them and their families...”
I fully agree and I think we need to seriously look into how we attack or challenge the likes of Waa and Janneh. The last thing we need is for these folks to give up the fight.
I have a lot of respect for Joe for being consistent and straight from the start. However we need to move forward. I like the momentum the Janneh case created and we should look into building on that by working with him. The fight to get rid of jammeh is an easy one but only if we work as a team.
We should embrace them and work with them to better understand jammeh and hopefully get more information on how to get rid of him. These folks worked with him, so they are in a much better position to give us good information and hopefully speed up the process in attaining our goal. Besides, many of us especially the young can learn a lot from them to ensure that we don’t make the same mistakes. These folks are a good case study in understanding Gambian politics.
At the end it is all about numbers. The more the better and the better our chances will be to raise funds to put up a good fight.
Krubally.
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--- On Tue, 10/23/12, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] PA NDERRY AND FREEDOM IN MAJOR COUP - PROPAGANDA BLUNDER IN BANJUL(GRTS 2000 NEWS)
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 4:58 PM
Mr. Nyang, good to hear from you again. You don't have to wait too long to hear from Demba as I am here present at all times, alive and well and reading every drop of a pen. I stand by my earlier assertion that our struggle is a messy one and for the most part it is the system that criminalizes people.
And for the record, I don't know Dr. Janneh, never met or spoke to him. I am not a member of CCG either and never have. I have gotten information about them mostly due to my GPU affiliation and close working relationship with Ndey Tapha - who I respect dearly. In fact I wasn't here on the L when he was active on here. Many of us only knew about him after he joined the government.
One thing I know for sure, he appeared to be more of a threat to the Jammeh government than the Halifa's and Darboes and all other opposition we have on the ground. He may have bitten his tongue, swallowed his pride and joined the government he was most critical of, but that was his personal decision and he suffered the consequences. If the Dr. had succeeded in bringing uprising in the Gambia which eventually topples the government most of us here would have celebrated regardless of how he did it.
There is no success with taking risk... and my personal opinion is that the Dr. took risk, had his own plans which we may agree or disagree.
I do not and did not attempt to defend him. What I stated is that we cannot discount all our citizens who one way or another serves or accepts these government. Most of us will disown our own parents who supports this regime day in and day out. Do we dismiss them for doing so? Absolutely not!
The system in the Gambia is what is rotten. Generally our people are decent people and have a lot of humility. They have been forced to live under brutal circumstances. I mean Dr. Janneh is no different from thousands of our fellow citizens who served under the Jawara regime and ran shelter to cuddle with Jammeh despite the humiliation metted on them and their families...
Nyang, my doors are still open and you are cordially invited to an open discussion and bring along anyone you so desire. This can only lead us to a better Gambia...
As for Waa, I personally campaigned for him when he ran for parliamentary seat in Niamina. He made a decision to find a means of survival and he has fallen victim of that... so are hundreds of other Gambians... So I don't have much opinion about his decisions except that I disagree with his decision and so did I with Dr. Janneh's. Got me?... you are always welcome to an open debate...
Demba
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Joe, you know am with you on this one. The spirited appeals on behalf of the Dr. especially by my friend Demba irked to say the least. I attempted many a times to jump into the debate but suceeded in restraining my self so as to allow you and others dig deeper into the issue of readmitting to conscienceland, the anointed son of Gunjur or better yet our Mandela.
When i have the chance i would love to ask Demba between Dr. Janneh and the opposition leaders in the Gambia like Ousainou and Halifa whom he takes liberty at bashing as nonentities, who is more valuable to our struggle for democracy. Dismissing the only allies we have on the ground while trying to build hope on amaturish and adventurist Doctors raises big questions on my friends political astuteness.
For Uwaa, Yero said something very important to what should inform us on what derives Uwaa's political agenda. The bag of rice thing is in the center of it all. I witnessed this man insisting on beating up someone unless he handed him the sum of money he demanded a couple days before the 2006 election. The gentleman had insisted on Uwaa submitting a budget for his CRR south tour but Uwaa did not want to hear anything like a a budget mentioned.
Indeed it will be interesting to see how our friend Demba will work out the Uwaa quagmire.
Nyang
From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]>cracy
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:44
Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] PA NDERRY AND FREEDOM IN MAJOR COUP - PROPAGANDA BLUNDER IN BANJUL(GRTS 2000 NEWS)
Jeh Nyang, I thought you were on my side, no? :-)! I believe you want to give Yero, Demba et al and easy exit, for the Juwara news throws a monkey wrench on their assumptions and all I have to do is to watch the shifting on the seats. Jokes aside, the timing of UWaa's trashing cannot make their position more difficult and is a good contrast. Why do I say that? Well, Uwaa was on this side of the isle and decided to join Yaya for his greed not withstanding the good ole whooping from Yaya and I have written extensively on that. Uwaa has prison badges of his own, and I believe he has more train track designs on his back than Amadou. Uwaa the "King Maker" was also an expert on Jammeh and has said many things about Jammeh, and also the opposition, the last jab being just a couple of weeks ago. So, it would be interesting how our friends will treat Uwaa. Although Uwaa not only broke the bridge
when he crossed over, but he burnt and buried the remains, which makes it very difficult for him to even consider a retreat to this side of the fence. However, that should not be a problem for our kind hearted brothers to consider Uwaa an asset. For my part, consistency and equal treatment for similar circumstances is what is required and this case of Uwaa is a slam dunk. Uwaa, before he runs any where (not that I forsee him doing that) must explain to Gambians why he mortgaged his soul and to also atone for his threacherous behavior. Yeah, fat chance! My friends should not wait for Uwaa to come to them though for they did not wait for Amadou to come to them. If Amadou is an asset, why not Uwaa? The Uwaa case is a litmus test of their standards. I now step aside and let the youngsters as you put it craft cutting edge solutions for the Uwaa dilema.
Joe
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 05:42:22 +0100 From: [log in to unmask]Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] PA NDERRY AND FREEDOM IN MAJOR COUP - PROPAGANDA BLUNDER IN BANJUL(GRTS 2000 NEWS) To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
Yero, Great of you!
Both LJ and Joe have proven to be authorities on matters Dr. Janneh on his past record vis a vis the Jammeh government. When i saw this news of Juwara's sacking my mind went to you and Demba on what LJ alluded to as those to go through for readdmission into Conscienceland. You two gentlemen are so generous for me i am a revolutionary. I do not believe in scraping and pasting, rather total change in ways and means. That is why i will not have much to do with people like Dr. Janneh. The little experience i had with him in his private business office - COMMIT, in Kotu was enough for me to know what timber he is made of. This was in 2009 when he was no longer a minister.
good night, can guess you pleased with your candidate Obama in the debate.
Nyang
Hi bro Modou, You got me in laughing mood (LOL). Despite being the forum bug, I am willing to step aside for the long timers to dissect this one for us. I agree with you that our situation has become so complicated that daily opinions can be just out blank critical. I don't think Juwara will escape Jammeh's long elephant tusk this time around. Since you are an admirer of Che, I am sure you will find his doctrine reasoning with mine. Jokingly, you will also agree that a debate is nicer when there is more than one side. Jokes aside, we are more into fighting against injustices
rather than fighting for individuals. Your request is granted Modou. LJD et al, the floor is open. Best,Yero
There is no god but Allah (SWT) and Muhammad (SAW) is His messenger. Fear and Worship only Allah alone!
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:54:00 +0100 From: [log in to unmask]Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] PA NDERRY AND FREEDOM IN MAJOR COUP - PROPAGANDA BLUNDER IN BANJUL(GRTS 2000 NEWS) To: [log in to unmask]
Now, the question is as relating to DR. Janneh, should we or not accept Juwara back if he decides to come to us to continue the struggle we were into together? My friends Yero and Demba, might well start preparing the ground to welcome back our lost mbarodi. Or what you think?
The debate on Dr. Janneh was very good and i encourage young ones like myself, Demba and Yero to take a little back seat and listen to grandees of these forums continue their dialoque.
LJD, I will let Joe give Juwara a good bash first. During the July 4th 2005 get-together in Atlanta (Launching of NADD), it was Juwara who told the august gathering that "How can they ask me to be law-abiding when I am not a law breaker?" Right after the parliamentary elections leading to his defection to the APRC, Juwara told us that he was an elderly statesman from Niamina and he was required to support the APRC candidate. Slowly, slowly –he crept not unnoticed to his onetime torturer.
During the time that we were working on a UGAMA conference, Juwara rhetorically asked one of my confidants (Ebrima Dibba), thus “When last did you guys get a bag of rice in my house?” Most recently, he was seen on TV and the Daily observer hammering the opposition and branding critics of this regime as not development oriented. Anyway, not a surprised of his fire. We expected this for a while.
Best,Yero
There is no god but Allah (SWT) and Muhammad (SAW) is His messenger. Fear and Worship only Allah alone!
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:20:39 +0100 From: [log in to unmask]Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] PA NDERRY AND FREEDOM IN MAJOR COUP - PROPAGANDA BLUNDER IN BANJUL(GRTS 2000 NEWS) To: [log in to unmask]CC: [log in to unmask]
YJ
This is a major vindication for Pa Nderry and Freedom.
The Government has the biggest microphone in Banjul but I can assure you people are not fooled. I guess Freedom got the government truly riled
And your friend Juwara is out of a job
LJDarbo
From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, 22 October 2012, 22:52
Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] PA NDERRY AND
FREEDOM IN MAJOR COUP - PROPAGANDA BLUNDER IN BANJUL(GRTS 2000 NEWS)
What a shame again! If for anything, what else will his aged parents do other than come out that way, otherwise they risked getting into trouble with the state terror machinery. It is obvious that even if his parents were supporters of the APRC, Pa is still entitled to his political opinion. I think that such intimidation tactics must be condemned in the strongest terms. Sad times in the Gambia...this is probably in revenge for the interview with VP Njie Saidy. Keep your head high Pa....as long as you are doing your best to support your parents morally and financially during times of need. Many are dealing with similar situations. Thanks for sharing LJD.
Best,Yero
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