Yero,

Ebrahim what Jameel, please! I bet Khalell is one of those turncoats most likely Ebou Jallow. Do you really know this Khallel guy, Yero? 

Kejau 

> Yero, thank for vouching for Khaleel and that you know him. Khaleel, we
> can now proceed with the conversation.
> Joe
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:00:42 -0600
>
From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate
> Letter
> To: [log in to unmask]
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> Joe,
>
> Khaleel is the sweatened name for Ebraheem (Abraham), the same way that
> Joseph is fondly Joe. I know you will believe me. I can confirm to you
> that it is in fact his name.
>
> Merry X-mas!
>
> Yero
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:51:12 -0500
>
From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate
> Letter
> To: [log in to unmask]
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>
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> Joe,
> I know for a fact that you do not know me, so where do you want me to
> start by telling you who I am? Do you want my biography? The relevance of
> which I don't see. What makes you think Khaleel is an alias? I won't ask
> you if Joe is on your birth certificate. Just because you do not know me,
> you want to write me off as an alias. We can't limit ourselves to what we
> think brother. Would it have been better for you if I used Bakary Njie,
> Ebrima Drammeh or Foday Fofana which you can see as a common name. I am
> certain you know that I can create an email account with those common
> names to hide if thats my intent. Brother my maturity is not in my name,
> it is in my analytical reasoning, my wisdom to understand differences and
> acecpt them and my blessings to withstand adversities. Sending you my bio
> won't make any difference to you so lets have a conversation about things
> that matters. I have never came up here trashing or attacking people so
> what will make me hide is unclear to me. GO back and look at everything I
> ever wrote, I am not careless with words. Either way, Khaleel is my name
> and I don't need to prove that to you. I had this email account for years.
> Is this a tactic to discredit me because I don't agree with you? Merry
> Christmas brother!
> Khaleel
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:13:28 -0600
>
From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate
> Letter
> To: [log in to unmask]
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>
>
> Khaleel, thanks for your wisdom. Can you tell me who you are so we can
> continue the conversation. Do you think it is fair for you to hide behind
> an alias and have a mature conversation with cowards that at least reveal
> their ID? Thank you for your consideration.
> Joe
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:13:16 -0500
>
From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate
> Letter
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
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> Gentlemen,
>
> Another interesting and heated debate of opinions and
> perspectives, all of you made some sobering points to this issue. It is
> interesting though how some of us can’t disagree on anything without
> name-calling and insults. Are we that
> immature and inexperienced? Some of us demonstrate the same traits we
> condemn
> in Jammeh perhaps without realizing it.
>
> We are setting a dangerous precedence in that we talk freely
> claiming moral high grounds on issues without any regard to those who
> actually live
> those issues. I think Paco hit it right on; to paraphrase, nothing is
> stopping
> us from getting off these computers and head back to Banjul and fight the
> fight
> rather than being self-righteous behind these machines. Brother Paco I
> have to
> admit, you made a lot of sense. Your independent thinking should be
> encouraged.
> Some of the hypocrisy here is ridiculous.
> It is much easier to point fingers or to see the wrong of others.
>
> Joe, you made very interesting points and raised very valid
> questions; where is his congregation? Essentially where are the Gambian
> people
> who believe in justice for all? If what you asked made any sense, and I
> believe
> it does then we must accept that no matter how much we disagree on here,
> call
> each other names and insult each other, the resolution of Gambian issues
> will
> not be achieved on this forum. So those that claim this high almighty line
> of
> logic need to start packing their bags and buy a one way ticket to Banjul,
> stand beside those enduring the struggle day in day out then scream and it
> will
> make sense to cowards like me. Until then this notion of fighting while
> everyone else is laying dormant online is an illusion.
>
> Truth is, we did the same thing during Jawara’s regime
> jumped hastily in the Jammeh camp in 1994 expecting him to be our long
> overdue
> savior without taking our time. Now we are claiming that anything is
> better
> than Jammeh. I share the wishes of the mass to have a change of regime
> sooner
> than later, but the way we are action on these forums frightens me for our
> future. Are we capable of understanding that disagreements should be
> welcomed
> and tolerated? When we lose wisdom and tolerance and start thinking that
> what
> we say as individuals is gospel, our thoughts should be modeled then we
> will
> drive this nation to its peril.
>
> The Gambia is our country and if anyone thinks they love it
> more than the other base on big arguments, beating your chest and ready to
> curse people out who don’t share your stance can keep on making a fool out
> of themselves.
> How do we measure ones love for country? We can’t all be the same that is
> why
> it is essential not to condemn or crucify our brethren’s. We need to
> extend our
> hands to those that fell from grace and have them march along with us.
> Tolerance is essential in any struggle. I am by no means calling for Dr.
> Janneh
> to be our exalted leader but do we really need to crush him for his
> decision to
> accept to work for Gambia? I said this before and I will say it again, I
> really
> don’t believe that Dr. Janneh was in too deep in the Jammeh’s trusted
> circle.
> For what its worth lets agree to disagree on issues exercising maturity
> and
> tolerance.
> Khaleel
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:59:36 +0100
>
From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate
> Letter
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Paco Faal, I am not surprise you are itching to shout out your filth,
> especially when you see the names of Joe Sambou and the likes. I will not
> dislodge myself from any struggle especially when idiots like you are
> around. The only way you will not hear me on this forum or any other is
> to be delisted. I am not going anywhere. I am not fighting anyone's
> struggle and you are right not even my family. They can confirm that to
> you. The struggle i am fighting for is my struggle. I represent myself
> not cowards like you who do not even have the guts to use their proper
> names.
>
> You wrote: "Mboge, the problem you face is, you cannot stop Amadou Janneh
> from attending any protest, contributing to or joining any Gambian group
> in the diaspora. The most you can do is exclude yourself from the process
> or stop associating with groups that include Amadou Janneh in their
> midst. That's your only choice and I hope it's one you do not take
> because that is tantamount to being an idiot."
>
>
> Paco Faal, you echoing MKJ's lie. In little your little mind, it is about
> trying to stop A S Janneh and Co. No surprise, this lie the likes of you
> will keep repeating, i tell you what i will throw it back to you. No one
> can stop A S Janneh doing anything, but no one as well can stop people
> from asking questions about 'Gambia's first real political prisoner',
> 'Mandela' or Lui.
>
> I am not associated with any group that is with the likes of A S Janneh
> and Co and God forbid, i never will. And oh that is not my only choice.
> I determine what my choices are PF.
>
> Keep deluding yourself about Jammeh laughing. Unless we start talking
> truth to each other Jammeh will keep laughing seeing the Sedat Jobe's, A
> S Janneh's and their tipsy defenders telling us that they are the best
> the opposition can come up with.
>
> "Yes, Amadou and his buddies will forever be stained by their association
> with Jammeh, but you and Joe are myopic in your views that we ought to
> isolate, and insult those who've worked with Jammeh". Aha, did you say
> anything about stained. Well it is a lie that I am insulting A S Janneh,
> the real insult is the one liars and idiots like you keep telling us that
> A S Janneh is our Mandela and the rest of the nonsense i cannot remember.
>
> Get a grip Mister, no more hogwashing. Mboge
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Paco Faal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> Everytime Jammeh sees this kind of stuff from the struggle, he pops 3
> Ambiens and sleeps until 4pm then convenes a cabinet meeting just to see
> which one of his ministers he is going to fire again. With the attitude
> I've been seeing in these forums for more than a decade, Jammeh does not
> really need to do anything else because we have been continuously doing
> the job for him.
>
>
>
> Mboge, the problem you face is, you cannot stop Amadou Janneh from
> attending any protest, contributing to or joining any Gambian group in the
> diaspora. The most you can do is exclude yourself from the process or stop
> associating with groups that include Amadou Janneh in their midst. That's
> your only choice and I hope it's one you do not take because that is
> tantamount to being an idiot. I suggest you crawl back a couple of months
> ago when you had a melt down that you are going to fight the struggle
> alone because Gambians are not worth fighting for; not even you family.
> I suggest we continue contributing to the struggle based on unity because
> neither you nor Joe or anyone of us is yet to come up with a solution to
> the quagmire we face as Gambians. Collectively, all our efforts to fight
> impunity in the Gambia has failed and this is not the time to fuel the
> stereotype that Gambians will rather fight each other than work
> collectively to dislodge jammeh. 19 years in this struggle, I think this
> is the loudest noise Gambians have made against Jammeh and if we should
> not relent in our efforts by letting our egos get the best of us. Yes,
> Amadou and his buddies will forever be stained by their association with
> Jammeh, but you and Joe are myopic in your views that we ought to isolate,
> and insult those who've worked with Jammeh.
>
>
>
> Joe, Baba Leigh was not only an Imam with a congregation, he was also a
> human rights advocate. Hamm nga daga barri chahan. It's easy to sit next
> to your keyboard and call people cowards because they refuse to take to
> the streets. What's stopping any of us from going to Gambia and holding a
> protest on the behalf of Baba Leigh for being an honest Imam, a human
> rights defender and a man that spoke for himself and also on the behalf of
> those in the diaspora that want the dignity of Gambians respected? You
> are not satisfied with how Gambians are handling Jammeh, go on the ground
> and call for a mass protest. The opposition must be having a field day
> reading the Gambiapost in the last couple of months. Remember your
> message of "let the opposition put their differences aside and unite"? Oh
> well, in every opposition, there are people like Joe Sambou and Mboge who
> will never see the bigger picture that in unity to fight for a common
> purpose, differences must be set aside. The common purpose here being
> Yahya Jammeh and him only.
>
>
>
> Wa Salam.
> Paco
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Joe, We are engaged with a bunch of confused idiots thinking that their
> understanding of compromise, moving on and what have you is the gospel.
> In the idiotic minds of this lot the likes of you Joe asking questions
> tantamounts to division and holding back the fight against Jammeh. This
> is nonsense.
>
>
>
> In as much as we want Jammeh out, i will not wait to protect myself from
> infectious filth thrown at me in the name of compromise and moving on. I
> refuse to be part of those repeating history in its undesired form.
> Remember in our desire to see the PPP and Jawara out of power, we failed
> to develop a robust democratic dispensation to talk truth to each other
> and thus ended up having a monster usurp power; since then Gambians are
> dealing with a nightmare that refuses to go. To me the hypocritical call
> for decorum is part of the problem we face.
>
>
>
> It is very strange when the loud mouths on these online forums and
> "Jukeboxes" spend their time doubting the integrities of the established
> soldiers in the line of fire, to come and tell us that putting the record
> straight about 'turn coats' and 'enblers' like A S Janneh, Sidi Sanneh,
> Sedat Jobe, Buba Baldeh and Co is about chasing them from the opposition
> to Jammeh.
>
>
>
> It is a lie and utter rubbish and i will continue to call it what it is.
> Let them call it venom, rudeness, spoiling the debate or whatever. I hope
> we are not in this to be liked just for the sake of it. For me i am not
> involve in any debate, i am exercising my democratic right to state to
> the obvious.
>
>
>
> Nonsense! How on earth can one let the likes of Mathew K Jallow, whenever
> he desires attacks anyone then turn around to tell us that his friends
> are the best thing Gambia ever had. And, you have lemmings competing to
> tell us that, Oh! please let us move and energise the fight against
> Jammeh.
>
>
>
> The fight against Jammeh is alive and well. if these bunch don't know.
> Jammeh will go as soon as we're ready to face difficult questions about
> ourselves. Joe, keep up the spirit.
>
>
>
> Merry Christmas and happy new year. Best regards,Mboge
>
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yero, thanks for your response. Yes, anytime a loved one is not allowed to
> be seen by these people you know they are doing harm to the person the
> reason why they do not want folks to see the damage they are doing or have
> done. My questions were not to you personally, nor were they for
> diasporans. Those questions were directed at those on the ground,
> especially those that wear the cloak of holier than thou. Folks in that
> country pride themselves as more pious than pious. Now, how come the
> person that led them every day is nabbed and everyone is about their
> business but the business of their Imam? Is this another one of those
> Allah knows best? It is the hypocrisy of our people that I was
> questioning. I am not a muslim but common sense tells me if my Imam is
> nabbed by a criminal and we all know what could happen to him, the
> congregation of the faithful should rise up and that nonsense will be
> nabbed at the bud. Can you do that in Senegal and that government survive
> a day (not the case of Bethou, he was accessory to murder)? No. And so we
> run around show casing our piety, but can never see nor hear evil.
> Transitioning from the Imams and their congregation to the Clergy. Where
> is their faith? Most of these guys grew up and ran the streets with Imam
> Leigh in socialization circles aback in the day and they know what is
> happening to him is wrong and should speak up. Their silence speaks
> volume. Where is their faith? I see them organize this and that interfaith
> dialogue and where it counts the most - caring for your fellow human you
> see no evil and hear no evil. This is where I am headed Yero. You will
> agree with me that those that can put an end to this injustice right now
> as I write are minutes away from Mile Two. Now, if you believe it is more
> effective from five thousand miles outside I cannot argue over that.
> Diasporans have been doing doing what they can do for their country the
> last fifteen years, yet, folks are murdered, tortured, nabbed, shot at,
> etc. That abuse will never stop for the action that needs to stop it is
> right there and as long as they claim that "Human Rights and Civil Rights"
> dont feed them, it will be business as usual. Yesterday it was Chief
> Manneh and others, today it is Imam Leigh, tomorrow might be a relative,
> brother, or sister near you.
>
>
>
>
> As to your indirect reference to Amadou, I believe you know what needs to
> be done. None is stopping nor can we stop anyone from standing up. We some
> of us are demanding is that before any shrub stands up to want to lead us,
> they first have to explain their actions and I do not have to bore folks
> with that track record. If you say you are neutral and do not belong to
> any group, how come I am not reading any where, where you wrote to Amadou
> to tell him the basics of common sense - that after he sold his soul, the
> right thing to do is to fess up first and before he tells us about how
> Yaya (not that there is new science in that anyway) is, we need to know
> about him first. But to be an opportunist and took off only to run back
> still an opportunist and have the nerve to think that you should be seen
> as someone's leader is the height of arrogance. If you are not here to
> lead anyone, then why do you want to be our face? Why take such a face
> that Yaya discarded to fight Yaya and expect to be taken seriously? Now,
> Amadou being part of CCG what has that to do with folks that are nabbed in
> Gambia? He was there when folks were being murdered and nothing happened.
> So, he being in Atlanta or Dakar makes no difference. Seriously, we need
> to stop this messiah syndrome. This is why we have our share of dictators
> in Africa because for some reason we always think that one person is it
> and without him the end is near. Reminds me when Jawara set the scheme to
> entrap his suspects by announcing his retirement. Legend has it that many
> a Alaghi lost their Kala for rolling on the ground, "Nore Paabi, Dun Kor
> Have" in a trance. We have far too many credible folks to choose from, why
> should we dumb down our standards? Why? Apparently all those that came
> here to tell us this is not about leadership were not either in the know,
> or were being deceptive. For, Matthew spelt out that Amadou will lead us
> whether we like it or not. If any is going to lend their name or integrity
> to something, be very mindful that it is something that is worth it. Your
> integrity is all you have and without it all is lost.
>
>
>
>
> "Joe, we are all citizens. Let us make the best out of these forums with a
> view for scrutiny, accountability, and points taking rather than having to
> see any debate get flamed by unnecessary venoms."
>
>
>
>
> Yero, what do you mean by the above? It appears you are speaking about
> those that do not agree with your position, no? So, can you please clarify
> for me who these people are and we can discuss further.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
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>
>
>
>
> To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate Letter
>
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:08:02 -0600
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe:
>
>
>
> These are
> genuine questions and thanks for your rejoinders as always. Before getting
> into it, it might interest you to hear some
> live updates about the Imam. Minnesota civil rights group just concluded
> its
> meeting about three (3) hours ago. It was purposely conducted to see what
> action Gambians and their friends can take. We also had a conference call
> with
> a prominent family member of the arrested Imam (Baba Leigh) in the Gambia
> on
> the phone.
From his updates, the Imam is still kept incommunicado. No one
> is
> allowed to see him. Now that leaves a lot of speculations about his fate.
> I
> don't trust this administration and their track record as I keep crying is
> very
> dirty. We certainly came up with certain actionable items. We are happy to
> put
> that to action in conjunction with what other groups are doing in
> different
> states of the US.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe, you
> asked about the whereabouts of these special class people if you like.
> Personally, as an ordinary citizen who doesn't belong to any class, I
> worry
> more about what is within my reach and power that I can extend sincerely
> to our
> nation and its people especially the oppressed and suffering masses.
> Belonging
> to former US President JFK's school of thought, thus "ask not what your
> country can do for you; but what you can do for your country." What I am
> trying to say Joe is the fact that we must certainly realize by now that
> some
> of these folks you are asking for do not have the same thoughts or
> believes
> that you and I have. You do not expect that they will fight the fight you
> expect them to fight. I am sorry but I thought that you know more than
> that. That
> is level I am at.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe, where
> this now leads us to: Do you see it genuine then to welcome those that are
> ready to fight with us? I am not looking for anyone to confuse my points
> as it
> is so common for anyone to just get away with any little part to fume
> these
> forums or to make certain people the supporters of those who once worked
> with
> Jawara or Jammeh. Clearly, I do not belong to any group. I am an
> independent
> person and for the most part while stance is different but again it
> doesn’t
> mean I am holding brief. Needless to mention, I am equally disappointment
> lately of some of the tendencies I saw from many people I held so high in
> this
> struggle of ours, especially with the defensive nature leading to even
> getting
> dirty in this debate. I will be the last person to discourage anyone from
> debating so again the whole issue is not about not wanting to see people
> being “scrutinized”
> and “accounted”. I see some of the problems being pointed out on the other
> side, but I keep asking, what prescription do we have for a sick person
> already? I would expect a doctor will heal the sick rather than sitting
> there
> blaming him for eating dirty germs that made him sick or having sex with
> another person that transmitted HIV AIDS to him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe, I have
> a dream that our winning formula against tyranny is unity, compromise,
> fighting
> together, and letting some of things come later. If we fail to do this, we
> must
> be ready for the long hours of oppression ahead. We must design a winning
> formula. I am calling for rewarding criminals but I am asking for a system
> where we can all unite to fight the common enemy and such a system must
> not
> marginalize anyone.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In the end,
> some of the folks' whereabouts you are asking might not be far from our
> reach
> but if we continue to be intolerant and not welcoming like some of the
> threatening
> tendencies I have seen, I am afraid, you and I might be lonely fighters
> because
> I don't know about any other person, but personally this is life and death
> for
> me. I will fight in secrete and I will fight in the open. I will not worry
> about who is folding their hands though again it touches my emotions but
> like
> the many who wants to do their little, I will do it with them.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe, we are
> all citizens. Let us make the best out of these forums with a view for
> scrutiny,
> accountability, and points taking rather than having to see any debate get
> flamed by unnecessary venoms.
>
>
>
>
>
> I
> understand that you are in Mauritania. I tried calling your magic jack
> number
> to no success. I appreciate your steadfastness and being there for the
> struggle for the longest. My best of regards to your entire family and I
> wish you a
> holiday full of love and blessings.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best
> regards,
>
>
>
> Yero
> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:46:41 -0600
>
From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate Letter
>
>
>
>
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
>
> Yero, the larger question around this saga is where are "the faithful", -
> his congregation? What do they believe in? If an Imam's rights are being
> trampled upon with not a muscle twitching, what chance does the ordinary
> Gambian without a following have? Under such circumstances, what does
> their core belief inform? Where are his fellow Imams, his counterparts in
> the Church, etc., forget the average Joe for a second? What do they
> believe in? Their actions speak volumes. So, what do our people believe
> in? Daily bread I suppose!
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:52:26 -0600
>
From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate Letter
>
>
>
>
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate Letter
> http://caelos.com/gainako/?p=1613
>
>
>
> Folks, I am personally glad to see many continuing to add their voices on
> Imam Baba Leigh. As of yesterday, a friend updated me that the Imam is
> hospitalized and families/friends are not allowed to see him. It is
> suspicious to say the least. While we have heard conflicting theories
> about him being tortured or not, I am getting more worried about the
> Imam's fate. I don't trust Jammeh and his terror administration. That is
> not because I despise them. It is because their track record is what I go
> by. Moreover, a citizen arrested and kept incomminicadoo without being
> charged within the constitution's stipulation is a serious violation of
> his right. That is torture in no small way. The Gambia has come to live
> under a horrible nightmare and it is time for all citizens to make their
> voices heard by which ever means available to them.
>
>
>
> Please pass around this letter from Habib and you can possibly inspire
> thousand others. Best regards,
>
>
>
> Yero
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