Yero,
Anguish? Are you OK? So you really got to meet this
Khallel guy? Just because he donated? My query was, is his surname really
Jameel and did you really get to meet him? Anybody can be on freedom
commenting and donate using any name and since you are the only one able
to vouch for him just because he donated to your cause and he spoke on
radio, this raises more questions and does not really answer any of my
questions. You were telling the whole forum and not only Joe, otherwise
you would have sent to Joe's private
mail.
Kejau
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kejau:
>
> Wrong again. Please rest down your anguish on it.
>
> When I was doing a fundraiser for the two Gambian journalists,
Khaleel
> donated $70.00. It was then I get to know who he is.
>
> Besides, he is not hiding. He was on Freedom newspaper commenting
like any
> other Gambia.
>
> kejau, that is for your information. The rest you can carry on and
> speculate all you want and trust me, it won't be my business. I hope
this
> settles matters for you. Besides, I was telling Joe and Joe believes
me.
> Happy holiday Kejau!
>
> Yero
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:52:22 +0100
>
From:
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> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The
Compassionate
> Letter
> To:
[log in to unmask]
>
> Yero,
>
> Ebrahim what Jameel, please! I bet Khalell is
> one of those turncoats most likely Ebou Jallow. Do you really know
this
> Khallel guy, Yero?
>
> Kejau
>> Yero,
> thank for vouching for Khaleel and that you know him. Khaleel, we
>
>> can now proceed with the conversation.
>
>> Joe
>
>>
>
>> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:00:42 -0600
>
>>
>
>
From:
[log in to unmask]
>
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The
> Compassionate
>
>> Letter
>
>> To:
[log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Joe,
>
>>
>
>> Khaleel is the sweatened name for Ebraheem (Abraham), the same
way
> that
>
>> Joseph is fondly Joe. I know you will believe me. I can confirm
to
> you
>
>> that it is in fact his name.
>
>>
>
>> Merry X-mas!
>
>>
>
>> Yero
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:51:12 -0500
>
>>
>
>
From:
[log in to unmask]
>
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The
> Compassionate
>
>> Letter
>
>> To:
[log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Joe,
>
>> I know for a fact that you do not know me, so where do you want
me
> to
>
>> start by telling you who I am? Do you want my biography? The
> relevance of
>
>> which I don't see. What makes you think Khaleel is an alias? I
won't
> ask
>
>> you if Joe is on your birth certificate. Just because you do not
know
> me,
>
>> you want to write me off as an alias. We can't limit ourselves
to
> what we
>
>> think brother. Would it have been better for you if I used
Bakary
> Njie,
>
>> Ebrima Drammeh or Foday Fofana which you can see as a common
name. I
> am
>
>> certain you know that I can create an email account with those
> common
>
>> names to hide if thats my intent. Brother my maturity is not in
my
> name,
>
>> it is in my analytical reasoning, my wisdom to understand
differences
> and
>
>> acecpt them and my blessings to withstand adversities. Sending
you my
> bio
>
>> won't make any difference to you so lets have a conversation
about
> things
>
>> that matters. I have never came up here trashing or attacking
people
> so
>
>> what will make me hide is unclear to me. GO back and look at
> everything I
>
>> ever wrote, I am not careless with words. Either way, Khaleel is
my
> name
>
>> and I don't need to prove that to you. I had this email account
for
> years.
>
>> Is this a tactic to discredit me because I don't agree with
you?
> Merry
>
>> Christmas brother!
>
>> Khaleel
>
>>
>
>> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:13:28 -0600
>
>>
>
>
From:
[log in to unmask]
>
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The
> Compassionate
>
>> Letter
>
>> To:
[log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Khaleel, thanks for your wisdom. Can you tell me who you are so
we
> can
>
>> continue the conversation. Do you think it is fair for you to
hide
> behind
>
>> an alias and have a mature conversation with cowards that at
least
> reveal
>
>> their ID? Thank you for your consideration.
>
>> Joe
>
>>
>
>> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:13:16 -0500
>
>>
>
>
From:
[log in to unmask]
>
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The
> Compassionate
>
>> Letter
>
>> To:
[log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Gentlemen,
>
>>
>
>> Another interesting and heated debate of opinions and
>
>> perspectives, all of you made some sobering points to this issue.
It
> is
>
>> interesting though how some of us can’t disagree on
anything
> without
>
>> name-calling and insults. Are we that
>
>> immature and inexperienced? Some of us demonstrate the same
traits
> we
>
>> condemn
>
>> in Jammeh perhaps without realizing it.
>
>>
>
>> We are setting a dangerous precedence in that we talk freely
>
>> claiming moral high grounds on issues without any regard to
those
> who
>
>> actually live
>
>> those issues. I think Paco hit it right on; to paraphrase,
nothing
> is
>
>> stopping
>
>> us from getting off these computers and head back to Banjul and
fight
> the
>
>> fight
>
>> rather than being self-righteous behind these machines. Brother
Paco
> I
>
>> have to
>
>> admit, you made a lot of sense. Your independent thinking
should
> be
>
>> encouraged.
>
>> Some of the hypocrisy here is ridiculous.
>
>> It is much easier to point fingers or to see the wrong of
others.
>
>>
>
>> Joe, you made very interesting points and raised very valid
>
>> questions; where is his congregation? Essentially where are
the
> Gambian
>
>> people
>
>> who believe in justice for all? If what you asked made any sense,
and
> I
>
>> believe
>
>> it does then we must accept that no matter how much we disagree
on
> here,
>
>> call
>
>> each other names and insult each other, the resolution of
Gambian
> issues
>
>> will
>
>> not be achieved on this forum. So those that claim this high
almighty
> line
>
>> of
>
>> logic need to start packing their bags and buy a one way ticket
to
> Banjul,
>
>> stand beside those enduring the struggle day in day out then
scream
> and it
>
>> will
>
>> make sense to cowards like me. Until then this notion of
fighting
> while
>
>> everyone else is laying dormant online is an illusion.
>
>>
>
>> Truth is, we did the same thing during Jawara’s regime
>
>> jumped hastily in the Jammeh camp in 1994 expecting him to be
our
> long
>
>> overdue
>
>> savior without taking our time. Now we are claiming that
anything
> is
>
>> better
>
>> than Jammeh. I share the wishes of the mass to have a change
of
> regime
>
>> sooner
>
>> than later, but the way we are action on these forums frightens
me
> for our
>
>> future. Are we capable of understanding that disagreements
should
> be
>
>> welcomed
>
>> and tolerated? When we lose wisdom and tolerance and start
thinking
> that
>
>> what
>
>> we say as individuals is gospel, our thoughts should be modeled
then
> we
>
>> will
>
>> drive this nation to its peril.
>
>>
>
>> The Gambia is our country and if anyone thinks they love it
>
>> more than the other base on big arguments, beating your chest
and
> ready to
>
>> curse people out who don’t share your stance can keep on
making
> a fool out
>
>> of themselves.
>
>> How do we measure ones love for country? We can’t all be
the
> same that is
>
>> why
>
>> it is essential not to condemn or crucify our brethren’s.
We
> need to
>
>> extend our
>
>> hands to those that fell from grace and have them march along
with
> us.
>
>> Tolerance is essential in any struggle. I am by no means calling
for
> Dr.
>
>> Janneh
>
>> to be our exalted leader but do we really need to crush him
for
> his
>
>> decision to
>
>> accept to work for Gambia? I said this before and I will say
it
> again, I
>
>> really
>
>> don’t believe that Dr. Janneh was in too deep in the
> Jammeh’s trusted
>
>> circle.
>
>> For what its worth lets agree to disagree on issues exercising
> maturity
>
>> and
>
>> tolerance.
>
>> Khaleel
>
>>
>
>> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:59:36 +0100
>
>>
>
>
From:
[log in to unmask]
>
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The
> Compassionate
>
>> Letter
>
>> To:
[log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>> Paco Faal, I am not surprise you are itching to shout out your
> filth,
>
>> especially when you see the names of Joe Sambou and the likes. I
will
> not
>
>> dislodge myself from any struggle especially when idiots like
you
> are
>
>> around. The only way you will not hear me on this forum or any
other
> is
>
>> to be delisted. I am not going anywhere. I am not fighting
> anyone's
>
>> struggle and you are right not even my family. They can confirm
that
> to
>
>> you. The struggle i am fighting for is my struggle. I
represent
> myself
>
>> not cowards like you who do not even have the guts to use
their
> proper
>
>> names.
>
>>
>
>> You wrote: "Mboge, the problem you face is, you cannot
stop
> Amadou Janneh
>
>> from attending any protest, contributing to or joining any
Gambian
> group
>
>> in the diaspora. The most you can do is exclude yourself from
the
> process
>
>> or stop associating with groups that include Amadou Janneh in
> their
>
>> midst. That's your only choice and I hope it's one you do not
take
>
>> because that is tantamount to being an idiot."
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Paco Faal, you echoing MKJ's lie. In little your little mind, it
is
> about
>
>> trying to stop A S Janneh and Co. No surprise, this lie the likes
of
> you
>
>> will keep repeating, i tell you what i will throw it back to you.
No
> one
>
>> can stop A S Janneh doing anything, but no one as well can
stop
> people
>
>> from asking questions about 'Gambia's first real political
> prisoner',
>
>> 'Mandela' or Lui.
>
>>
>
>> I am not associated with any group that is with the likes of A
S
> Janneh
>
>> and Co and God forbid, i never will. And oh that is not my
only
> choice.
>
>> I determine what my choices are PF.
>
>>
>
>> Keep deluding yourself about Jammeh laughing. Unless we start
> talking
>
>> truth to each other Jammeh will keep laughing seeing the Sedat
> Jobe's, A
>
>> S Janneh's and their tipsy defenders telling us that they are
the
> best
>
>> the opposition can come up with.
>
>>
>
>> "Yes, Amadou and his buddies will forever be stained by
their
> association
>
>> with Jammeh, but you and Joe are myopic in your views that we
ought
> to
>
>> isolate, and insult those who've worked with Jammeh". Aha,
did
> you say
>
>> anything about stained. Well it is a lie that I am insulting A
S
> Janneh,
>
>> the real insult is the one liars and idiots like you keep telling
us
> that
>
>> A S Janneh is our Mandela and the rest of the nonsense i
cannot
> remember.
>
>>
>
>> Get a grip Mister, no more hogwashing. Mboge
>
>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Paco Faal
<
[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Everytime Jammeh sees this kind of stuff from the struggle, he
pops
> 3
>
>> Ambiens and sleeps until 4pm then convenes a cabinet meeting just
to
> see
>
>> which one of his ministers he is going to fire again. With the
> attitude
>
>> I've been seeing in these forums for more than a decade, Jammeh
does
> not
>
>> really need to do anything else because we have been
continuously
> doing
>
>> the job for him.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Mboge, the problem you face is, you cannot stop Amadou Janneh
from
>
>> attending any protest, contributing to or joining any Gambian
group
> in the
>
>> diaspora. The most you can do is exclude yourself from the
process or
> stop
>
>> associating with groups that include Amadou Janneh in their
midst.
> That's
>
>> your only choice and I hope it's one you do not take because
that
> is
>
>> tantamount to being an idiot. I suggest you crawl back a couple
of
> months
>
>> ago when you had a melt down that you are going to fight the
> struggle
>
>> alone because Gambians are not worth fighting for; not even
you
> family.
>
>> I suggest we continue contributing to the struggle based on
unity
> because
>
>> neither you nor Joe or anyone of us is yet to come up with a
solution
> to
>
>> the quagmire we face as Gambians. Collectively, all our efforts
to
> fight
>
>> impunity in the Gambia has failed and this is not the time to
fuel
> the
>
>> stereotype that Gambians will rather fight each other than
work
>
>> collectively to dislodge jammeh. 19 years in this struggle, I
think
> this
>
>> is the loudest noise Gambians have made against Jammeh and if
we
> should
>
>> not relent in our efforts by letting our egos get the best of
us.
> Yes,
>
>> Amadou and his buddies will forever be stained by their
association
> with
>
>> Jammeh, but you and Joe are myopic in your views that we ought
to
> isolate,
>
>> and insult those who've worked with Jammeh.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Joe, Baba Leigh was not only an Imam with a congregation, he was
also
> a
>
>> human rights advocate. Hamm nga daga barri chahan. It's easy to
sit
> next
>
>> to your keyboard and call people cowards because they refuse to
take
> to
>
>> the streets. What's stopping any of us from going to Gambia
and
> holding a
>
>> protest on the behalf of Baba Leigh for being an honest Imam,
a
> human
>
>> rights defender and a man that spoke for himself and also on
the
> behalf of
>
>> those in the diaspora that want the dignity of Gambians
respected?
> You
>
>> are not satisfied with how Gambians are handling Jammeh, go on
the
> ground
>
>> and call for a mass protest. The opposition must be having a
field
> day
>
>> reading the Gambiapost in the last couple of months. Remember
your
>
>> message of "let the opposition put their differences aside
and
> unite"? Oh
>
>> well, in every opposition, there are people like Joe Sambou and
Mboge
> who
>
>> will never see the bigger picture that in unity to fight for a
> common
>
>> purpose, differences must be set aside. The common purpose
here
> being
>
>> Yahya Jammeh and him only.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Wa Salam.
>
>> Paco
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Modou Mboge
> <
[log in to unmask]>
>
>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Joe, We are engaged with a bunch of confused idiots thinking
that
> their
>
>> understanding of compromise, moving on and what have you is
the
> gospel.
>
>> In the idiotic minds of this lot the likes of you Joe asking
> questions
>
>> tantamounts to division and holding back the fight against
Jammeh.
> This
>
>> is nonsense.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In as much as we want Jammeh out, i will not wait to protect
myself
> from
>
>> infectious filth thrown at me in the name of compromise and
moving
> on. I
>
>> refuse to be part of those repeating history in its undesired
> form.
>
>> Remember in our desire to see the PPP and Jawara out of power,
we
> failed
>
>> to develop a robust democratic dispensation to talk truth to
each
> other
>
>> and thus ended up having a monster usurp power; since then
Gambians
> are
>
>> dealing with a nightmare that refuses to go. To me the
hypocritical
> call
>
>> for decorum is part of the problem we face.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> It is very strange when the loud mouths on these online forums
and
>
>> "Jukeboxes" spend their time doubting the integrities
of
> the established
>
>> soldiers in the line of fire, to come and tell us that putting
the
> record
>
>> straight about 'turn coats' and 'enblers' like A S Janneh,
Sidi
> Sanneh,
>
>> Sedat Jobe, Buba Baldeh and Co is about chasing them from the
> opposition
>
>> to Jammeh.
>
>>
>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> It is a lie and utter rubbish and i will continue to call it what
it
> is.
>
>> Let them call it venom, rudeness, spoiling the debate or
whatever. I
> hope
>
>> we are not in this to be liked just for the sake of it. For me i
am
> not
>
>> involve in any debate, i am exercising my democratic right to
state
> to
>
>> the obvious.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Nonsense! How on earth can one let the likes of Mathew K
Jallow,
> whenever
>
>> he desires attacks anyone then turn around to tell us that his
> friends
>
>> are the best thing Gambia ever had. And, you have lemmings
competing
> to
>
>> tell us that, Oh! please let us move and energise the fight
> against
>
>> Jammeh.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> The fight against Jammeh is alive and well. if these bunch
don't
> know.
>
>> Jammeh will go as soon as we're ready to face difficult
questions
> about
>
>> ourselves. Joe, keep up the spirit.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Merry Christmas and happy new year. Best regards,Mboge
>
>>
>
>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Joe Joe
> <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Yero, thanks for your response. Yes, anytime a loved one is
not
> allowed to
>
>> be seen by these people you know they are doing harm to the
person
> the
>
>> reason why they do not want folks to see the damage they are
doing or
> have
>
>> done. My questions were not to you personally, nor were they
for
>
>> diasporans. Those questions were directed at those on the
ground,
>
>> especially those that wear the cloak of holier than thou. Folks
in
> that
>
>> country pride themselves as more pious than pious. Now, how
come
> the
>
>> person that led them every day is nabbed and everyone is about
> their
>
>> business but the business of their Imam? Is this another one
of
> those
>
>> Allah knows best? It is the hypocrisy of our people that I was
>
>> questioning. I am not a muslim but common sense tells me if my
Imam
> is
>
>> nabbed by a criminal and we all know what could happen to him,
the
>
>> congregation of the faithful should rise up and that nonsense
will
> be
>
>> nabbed at the bud. Can you do that in Senegal and that
government
> survive
>
>> a day (not the case of Bethou, he was accessory to murder)? No.
And
> so we
>
>> run around show casing our piety, but can never see nor hear
evil.
>
>> Transitioning from the Imams and their congregation to the
Clergy.
> Where
>
>> is their faith? Most of these guys grew up and ran the streets
with
> Imam
>
>> Leigh in socialization circles aback in the day and they know
what
> is
>
>> happening to him is wrong and should speak up. Their silence
> speaks
>
>> volume. Where is their faith? I see them organize this and
that
> interfaith
>
>> dialogue and where it counts the most - caring for your fellow
human
> you
>
>> see no evil and hear no evil. This is where I am headed Yero.
You
> will
>
>> agree with me that those that can put an end to this injustice
right
> now
>
>> as I write are minutes away from Mile Two. Now, if you believe it
is
> more
>
>> effective from five thousand miles outside I cannot argue over
> that.
>
>> Diasporans have been doing doing what they can do for their
country
> the
>
>> last fifteen years, yet, folks are murdered, tortured, nabbed,
shot
> at,
>
>> etc. That abuse will never stop for the action that needs to stop
it
> is
>
>> right there and as long as they claim that "Human Rights
and
> Civil Rights"
>
>> dont feed them, it will be business as usual. Yesterday it was
> Chief
>
>> Manneh and others, today it is Imam Leigh, tomorrow might be a
> relative,
>
>> brother, or sister near you.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As to your indirect reference to Amadou, I believe you know
what
> needs to
>
>> be done. None is stopping nor can we stop anyone from standing
up. We
> some
>
>> of us are demanding is that before any shrub stands up to want
to
> lead us,
>
>> they first have to explain their actions and I do not have to
bore
> folks
>
>> with that track record. If you say you are neutral and do not
belong
> to
>
>> any group, how come I am not reading any where, where you wrote
to
> Amadou
>
>> to tell him the basics of common sense - that after he sold his
soul,
> the
>
>> right thing to do is to fess up first and before he tells us
about
> how
>
>> Yaya (not that there is new science in that anyway) is, we need
to
> know
>
>> about him first. But to be an opportunist and took off only to
run
> back
>
>> still an opportunist and have the nerve to think that you should
be
> seen
>
>> as someone's leader is the height of arrogance. If you are not
here
> to
>
>> lead anyone, then why do you want to be our face? Why take such
a
> face
>
>> that Yaya discarded to fight Yaya and expect to be taken
seriously?
> Now,
>
>> Amadou being part of CCG what has that to do with folks that
are
> nabbed in
>
>> Gambia? He was there when folks were being murdered and
nothing
> happened.
>
>> So, he being in Atlanta or Dakar makes no difference. Seriously,
we
> need
>
>> to stop this messiah syndrome. This is why we have our share
of
> dictators
>
>> in Africa because for some reason we always think that one person
is
> it
>
>> and without him the end is near. Reminds me when Jawara set
the
> scheme to
>
>> entrap his suspects by announcing his retirement. Legend has it
that
> many
>
>> a Alaghi lost their Kala for rolling on the ground, "Nore
Paabi,
> Dun Kor
>
>> Have" in a trance. We have far too many credible folks to
choose
> from, why
>
>> should we dumb down our standards? Why? Apparently all those
that
> came
>
>> here to tell us this is not about leadership were not either in
the
> know,
>
>> or were being deceptive. For, Matthew spelt out that Amadou will
lead
> us
>
>> whether we like it or not. If any is going to lend their name
or
> integrity
>
>> to something, be very mindful that it is something that is worth
it.
> Your
>
>> integrity is all you have and without it all is lost.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> "Joe, we are all citizens. Let us make the best out of
these
> forums with a
>
>> view for scrutiny, accountability, and points taking rather
than
> having to
>
>> see any debate get flamed by unnecessary venoms."
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Yero, what do you mean by the above? It appears you are
speaking
> about
>
>> those that do not agree with your position, no? So, can you
please
> clarify
>
>> for me who these people are and we can discuss further.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Regards,
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Joe
>
>>
>
>
From:
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>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> To:
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>
>> Subject: [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The
Compassionate
> Letter
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:08:02 -0600
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Joe:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> These are
>
>> genuine questions and thanks for your rejoinders as always.
Before
> getting
>
>> into it, it might interest you to hear some
>
>> live updates about the Imam. Minnesota civil rights group just
> concluded
>
>> its
>
>> meeting about three (3) hours ago. It was purposely conducted to
see
> what
>
>> action Gambians and their friends can take. We also had a
conference
> call
>
>> with
>
>> a prominent family member of the arrested Imam (Baba Leigh) in
the
> Gambia
>
>> on
>
>> the phone.
>
>
From his updates, the Imam is still kept incommunicado. No one
>
>> is
>
>> allowed to see him. Now that leaves a lot of speculations about
his
> fate.
>
>> I
>
>> don't trust this administration and their track record as I
keep
> crying is
>
>> very
>
>> dirty. We certainly came up with certain actionable items. We
are
> happy to
>
>> put
>
>> that to action in conjunction with what other groups are doing
in
>
>> different
>
>> states of the US.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Joe, you
>
>> asked about the whereabouts of these special class people if
you
> like.
>
>> Personally, as an ordinary citizen who doesn't belong to any
class,
> I
>
>> worry
>
>> more about what is within my reach and power that I can extend
> sincerely
>
>> to our
>
>> nation and its people especially the oppressed and suffering
> masses.
>
>> Belonging
>
>> to former US President JFK's school of thought, thus "ask
not
> what your
>
>> country can do for you; but what you can do for your
country."
> What I am
>
>> trying to say Joe is the fact that we must certainly realize by
now
> that
>
>> some
>
>> of these folks you are asking for do not have the same thoughts
or
>
>> believes
>
>> that you and I have. You do not expect that they will fight the
fight
> you
>
>> expect them to fight. I am sorry but I thought that you know
more
> than
>
>> that. That
>
>> is level I am at.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Joe, where
>
>> this now leads us to: Do you see it genuine then to welcome
those
> that are
>
>> ready to fight with us? I am not looking for anyone to confuse
my
> points
>
>> as it
>
>> is so common for anyone to just get away with any little part
to
> fume
>
>> these
>
>> forums or to make certain people the supporters of those who
once
> worked
>
>> with
>
>> Jawara or Jammeh. Clearly, I do not belong to any group. I am
an
>
>> independent
>
>> person and for the most part while stance is different but
again
> it
>
>> doesn’t
>
>> mean I am holding brief. Needless to mention, I am equally
> disappointment
>
>> lately of some of the tendencies I saw from many people I held
so
> high in
>
>> this
>
>> struggle of ours, especially with the defensive nature leading
to
> even
>
>> getting
>
>> dirty in this debate. I will be the last person to discourage
anyone
> from
>
>> debating so again the whole issue is not about not wanting to
see
> people
>
>> being “scrutinized”
>
>> and “accounted”. I see some of the problems being
pointed
> out on the other
>
>> side, but I keep asking, what prescription do we have for a
sick
> person
>
>> already? I would expect a doctor will heal the sick rather
than
> sitting
>
>> there
>
>> blaming him for eating dirty germs that made him sick or having
sex
> with
>
>> another person that transmitted HIV AIDS to him.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Joe, I have
>
>> a dream that our winning formula against tyranny is unity,
> compromise,
>
>> fighting
>
>> together, and letting some of things come later. If we fail to
do
> this, we
>
>> must
>
>> be ready for the long hours of oppression ahead. We must design
a
> winning
>
>> formula. I am calling for rewarding criminals but I am asking for
a
> system
>
>> where we can all unite to fight the common enemy and such a
system
> must
>
>> not
>
>> marginalize anyone.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In the end,
>
>> some of the folks' whereabouts you are asking might not be far
from
> our
>
>> reach
>
>> but if we continue to be intolerant and not welcoming like some
of
> the
>
>> threatening
>
>> tendencies I have seen, I am afraid, you and I might be lonely
> fighters
>
>> because
>
>> I don't know about any other person, but personally this is life
and
> death
>
>> for
>
>> me. I will fight in secrete and I will fight in the open. I will
not
> worry
>
>> about who is folding their hands though again it touches my
emotions
> but
>
>> like
>
>> the many who wants to do their little, I will do it with them.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Joe, we are
>
>> all citizens. Let us make the best out of these forums with a
view
> for
>
>> scrutiny,
>
>> accountability, and points taking rather than having to see
any
> debate get
>
>> flamed by unnecessary venoms.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I
>
>> understand that you are in Mauritania. I tried calling your
magic
> jack
>
>> number
>
>> to no success. I appreciate your steadfastness and being there
for
> the
>
>> struggle for the longest. My best of regards to your entire
family
> and I
>
>> wish you a
>
>> holiday full of love and blessings.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Best
>
>> regards,
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Yero
>
>> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:46:41 -0600
>
>>
>
>
From:
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>
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate Letter
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> To:
[log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Yero, the larger question around this saga is where are
"the
> faithful", -
>
>> his congregation? What do they believe in? If an Imam's rights
are
> being
>
>> trampled upon with not a muscle twitching, what chance does
the
> ordinary
>
>> Gambian without a following have? Under such circumstances,
what
> does
>
>> their core belief inform? Where are his fellow Imams, his
> counterparts in
>
>> the Church, etc., forget the average Joe for a second? What do
> they
>
>> believe in? Their actions speak volumes. So, what do our
people
> believe
>
>
>> in? Daily bread I suppose!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Joe
>
>>
>
>> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:52:26 -0600
>
>>
>
>
From:
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>
>> Subject: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate Letter
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> To:
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>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate Letter
>
>> http://caelos.com/gainako/?p=1613
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Folks, I am personally glad to see many continuing to add
their
> voices on
>
>> Imam Baba Leigh. As of yesterday, a friend updated me that the
Imam
> is
>
>> hospitalized and families/friends are not allowed to see him.
It
> is
>
>> suspicious to say the least. While we have heard conflicting
> theories
>
>> about him being tortured or not, I am getting more worried
about
> the
>
>> Imam's fate. I don't trust Jammeh and his terror administration.
That
> is
>
>> not because I despise them. It is because their track record is
what
> I go
>
>> by. Moreover, a citizen arrested and kept incomminicadoo
without
> being
>
>> charged within the constitution's stipulation is a serious
violation
> of
>
>> his right. That is torture in no small way. The Gambia has come
to
> live
>
>> under a horrible nightmare and it is time for all citizens to
make
> their
>
>> voices heard by which ever means available to them.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Please pass around this letter from Habib and you can possibly
> inspire
>
>> thousand others. Best regards,
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Yero
>
>>
>
$B!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"
>
>> (B
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>> (B
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