Saafoo Baba,
Ha ha ha. You surely wish I were a Fulani. No-no-no-no-no. You would not have had a job. Who would have taken care of my herds? Yaya is surely a machudo, but he doesn't belong to us. I recommend you cast him into river Gambia and let the waves take care of him. I bet you'll find him having a sun bath in the FULADUs. By the way, I have to admit, you always keep me busy with your writings. It makes me feel very proud of Jolas. Good job.
Machudo Demba, dejju !!!! Ang ka chukale. Fulbeh susata Jola. Lucky you, we're in America. When a Jola sits in a chair, the Fula takes the floor. That has, and will never change. Ask Yoro about his recent trip to New York. Had I not excused him, he literally carried me on his back when we met at his hotel lobby. Am already dealing with over three dozen Fulanis in New York alone. Am seriously considering cutting some of them loose for just a K. Before I forget, how many pounds of jabereh and siru did you say you wanted from New York before I leave for Seattle. Cojjam caddi? Better not.
I remain your Master,Pa. Saikou Kujabi.
-- On Sun, 2/24/13, Baba Galleh Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Baba Galleh Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BAIL IN GAMBIA AND SOUTH AFRICA
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013, 6:37 PM
Pa Saikou,
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. The fact that you are fluent in Fula and I don't know a word of Jola shows that you are indeed a Fula in Jola skin. As for Machudo Jammeh, please keep him. We don't want him.
Baba
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:33:42 -0800
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Subject: Re: [G_L] BAIL IN GAMBIA AND SOUTH AFRICA
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Mawdo Baba,
How dare you say to Joe that you don't generally agree with Jolas. Heheheeeee, aduna osansi joni. Kaa ah andee fulbeh fof ko machudo Jola. Joe is you master. Yaya Jammeh may not be. For him, he is on record that he doesn't really know which tribe he is. When he visited the Nuimis, he turned Serer. In the Badibus, a Mandingo from the late Chief. Tamba Jammeh family. In the Fuladus, a Jallow/Baldeh/Mballow/Bah, you name it. In the Fonis, a Jammeh, not a Jola. I strongly belief that he is a Fula, given the fact that he is such a namby-pamby. A would-be Jola coward of either sex don't live long. Achu hakeh de, cono
jaabereh, teddungal, eh follereh fof no wordi.
Awa- Bisimilah. Mbaleh-jam. Rather, I should say Umoraa Soom.
Pa. Saikou Kujabi
On Sun, 2/24/13, Baba Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Baba Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BAIL IN GAMBIA AND SOUTH AFRICA
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Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013, 12:33 PM
Joe,
I did not know that Jolas could also be philosophers. You waxed quite philosophical there, towards the end. I don't generally agree with Jolas, especially of the AIDS-curing-claim types, but I do agree with you especially on this one.
Baba
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Lamin, I think as a Lawyer it is acceptable to represent the likes of Mamburay Njie, just like a doctor would have treated him if he were tortured. That is the professional side of persons and the oath they took as members of a profession. As much as the world hated Idi Amin (worst case scenerio), however, when he was sick and later comatose, doctors who were aware of the carnage he levied on humanity treated him and even tried to prolong his life even though he terminated the living with no sweat. Yes, Mamburay was aware of violations of protected liberties of his fellow citizens, but he still deserves the cover or due process under the law. Problem is Yaya is the law in Gambia. I would even argue further that as individuals (friends, relatives, etc.) we can sympathize with Mamburay.
It gets dicy when we enter the realm of a liberation struggle. That is where a concerted effort must be exercised in fighting against anyone who consciously sided with our oppressor. If the luck for the Mamburays of this world run out and they are now the caged, we would empathize with them as humans, Gambians, friends, etc., but I would not incur a massive headache over their affair. History taught us that had it not be for the change of fortunes, they'd be right there endorsing and co-signing all sorts. So, Lamin the activist stand on solid ground to not bat for friends or jettisoned friends of our oppressor. However, Lamin the Legal Practitioner should use his services to rescue the Mamburary's, despite. Good Lawyers are not measured by taking a bunch of slam dunk cases, but those that change lives and outcomes. If you rescue Mamburay from the jaws of the beast, you give him a second chance at life and self determination.
I know there are those that think your enemy's enemy should be your friend. Not necessarily and it all depends. If your enemy's enemy has a hidden agenda contrary to your aspirations it is ill advised to view them as such. If that enemy also was on your side and later decided to mortgage their soul for their wallet it is ill advised. If that enemy is still partial to your enemy it is foolish to consider them a friend. And if that enemy has plans to hijack an effort, they should not be allowed skew it to their favor when we know the selfish nature of that individual.
Joe
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 14:13:12 +0000
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Subject: Re: [G_L] BAIL IN GAMBIA AND SOUTH AFRICA
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Joe
My query is more generally based, i.e., whether you consider it acceptable for Gambian lawyers to represent the likes of Mamburay Njie whose antecedents as employees of Professor Jammeh suggest they have no respect for even the protected liberties of their fellow citizens.
LJDarbo
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Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2013, 23:49
Subject: Re: [G_L] BAIL IN GAMBIA AND SOUTH AFRICA
Lamin, I have no doubt that Mamburay would be in good hands with your services and I will say go for it. Lawyer Camara is doing what he could given the situation he is put in. In a level playing field he is more than capable of holding his own and with you representing, the sweeter. The deck is stacked against him and it is him against what Yaya Jammeh wants. Look, D15,000,000 bail is too damn excessive even if there was a charge against Mamburay. We know he did not kill a fly? We also know he did not steal from Yaya? The only thing left that they could have in store for Mamburay is espionage, which is the "Poster Charge" in their arsenal these days. By the time they end up wasting his time, all they would do is line up some crooks in the shape of khelifa to organize a baalou session. This among many other examples is the reason why Gambians need to wake up from the nonsense they are engaged in. Where are all those that lined up daily to receive a
trickle down from Mamburay? His fellow top of the food chian gang? They have all moved on to greener pastures or have new friends. And yes, "His Friends in the Legal profession" that he used to patronize, where are they?
I am sure Mamburay knows what's up. He drank Ataya with Yaya and heard all the horror stories of what he did to people or what he can do to his perceived enemies. Mamburay has 18 years worth of evidence to know that no matter how long you hang around Yaya, your day will come, and it will be either at the hands of Yaya or the Gambian people. Each one of them had plenty of opportunity to deal with Yaya, but they had convinced themselves they knew Yaya and mistake those Afra sessions for friendship. No, the dude gives them plenty to eat and drink and be watching them when they are not looking. Remember, Yaya said he can read people's minds. His insane mind convinces him that he is really reading minds. In my neck of the woods, it is called paranoia. It does not help when people around Yaya are paralyzed with superstitious beliefs in Yaya's Super Natural powers. Remember the witchcraft assault, even some political party leaders spoke as if there are indeed
witches in Gambia and couched it under the pretext that "The Population" believes in the existence of witchcraft. My question to them then and now is, what the hell do you believe?
Back to the subject at hand, yes, you are more than capable of representing Mamburay or people in similar circumstances and you should consider that and you will have the support of everyone. Our brothers and sisters in the legal profession need to know that they got in the profession to be of service to the people and not only the government, or should I say Yaya Jammeh. You got my support 100% - Go for it. That is what it means to go and work for your people, not work for Yaya Jammeh as some schemers want us to believe.
Joe
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:45:58 +0000
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Subject: Re: [G_L] BAIL IN GAMBIA AND SOUTH AFRICA
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Joe
South Africa's rectification process continues, and yes, economic ability, i.e., mainly black-white divide, remains quite a significant factor in many issues South African. Of course I am in complete agreement with your assertion that "Gambians must no break their lunch for a heavy heart" for Mamburay.
In the instant case, my query is limited to whether a D15 million bail in circumstances where no charge was preferred accords with the reasonableness standard of the 1997 Constitution. Mamburay's is part of a long line of cases and I think the issue of bail must go higher up the judicial chain of command for a clarification of the constitutional expectations.
Who is representing Mamburay and his ilk when they got into trouble? The dynamic Lamin Camara of course, but I am in no doubt they kept him at a distance when all was going well for them. This means no government briefs for him because he would have been regarded as a troublemaker. Where are the lawyers they used to patronise with government briefs? Like some family and friends, they are seeking greener pastures elsewhere as, in their calculations, Mamburay's useful life in our public space is effectively over. They reckoned without considering the 'comeback' syndrome!
Although I have no political sympathies for Mamburay and his ilk, I'd be more than happy to offer him the best possible representation before a criminal court if my services are required by people similarly situated, including of course ...... What do you think?
LJDarbo
From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2013, 0:53
Subject: Re: [G_L] BAIL IN GAMBIA AND SOUTH AFRICA
Lamin, a good contrast indeed. In SA they have a functioning Judiaciary but that has not always been the case, other wise Apartheid would not have lasted that long. The Boers dictated who went in and who stayed out. Post Apartheid, I will say that their Judiaciary is functioning for the "West" insisted that, that be the case to support the survival of the whites. So, the bail of 73,000 pounds I presume is according to precedent and the rest of the world is watching. Now, I am certain that if he was black and poor without a high flying legal team that he would have ate breakfast at home. It is not yet a color and class blind society.
In Gambia, a different beast in its own right, that is not the case. The Judiciary is not functional and one man and one man alone rules - Yaya. He says you stay and you not only stay but the enablers will intepret that you rot in there. So, if Yaya dictates D15,000,000 then that it will be. Remember Hassan Touray of Pristine? When the original bail amount was easily tendered, it got jerked up. For what its worth, that is why America and its claims of democracy, loves to deal with Dictators - they are One Stop Shop, all you cand carry.
Now transitioning to Mamburay. As an associate of Yaya for a long while, he has seen many people in his current shoes and some rotted or died in jail. Did he feel their pain? Did he stand up to defend their rights? Did he protest the many murders, abductions, mutilations, ect.? Did he quit in protest? Injustice by Yaya on Gambians did not just start when Mamburay was in jail, oh no. Our people lived with it the last 18 years and he was aware of it, yet he continued to collect a pay check. Now that he is in, must Gambians break their lunch for a heavy heart? A people that take the daily bread so serious that not even the murder of their loved one will stop a family from seeking benovelence (crumbs) from their murderer - Yaya. I don't think so. I have noticed a pattern with our folks. Mambaray being a likeable guy as a youngster and may be ran the streets with some in Banjul and Sere Kunda, folks tend to paint a rosy picture of him and even go to the
extent of absolving him of anything that is wrong with Yaya and his gang. Folks, Mamburay is not a worthier son than Chief Manneh, the students, and the countless that perished in the hands of his former friend. Yes, an injustice to one Gambian is an injustice to all Gambians. As they say, Mamburay warronaa soraleh neh besam di nah nyow. He also knew that if his friend took him in all will be about their business, Com Nagne Kor Dan Defeh Rek Bam Nekeh Chi Kerr You Baaxhi, as Ndoe Secka used to quib.
Disclosure - Do I know Mamburay? Without a doubt. We played soccer together and against each other and I know the family very well and it pains me like many Gambians to see his rights abused. However, others rights were abused too when he was in a position to have the ear of their Abuser. Did he do anything about the countless things that happened while he was there? It is an irony that Imam Baba Leigh's brother hung with Mamburay and today the brother lost both a brother and a friend at the hands of a common abuser - Yaya. No one could have predicted that in the lives of these people. Life does not owe any of us zilch. Things are temporal. Will Mamburay's faith persuade others behind to wake up, not a fat chance. As we speak, Uncle Nana (to some) have stepped up his game on the brownies. Lamin, this is between friends - Yaya and Mamburay and am sure Kelifa Yhi are doing their rounds scheming a baalou ceremony. What else is going on that we need to talk
about?
Joe
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:33:10 +0000
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Subject: [G_L] BAIL IN GAMBIA AND SOUTH AFRICA
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OSCAR PISTORIOUS South African
South African sports icon
killed a human being
charged with premeditated murder
BAIL SET AT Sterling £73,000 (estimated)
MAMBURAY NJIE Gambian
Cabinet Minister / senior civil servant (until recently)
allegations unknown/unspecified/speculative
charged with no offence
BAIL SET AT Sterling £300,000 (estimated)
Any suggestions/reactions on the bail regime in The Gambia?
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