Demba, Talking about man enough. You are a joke little twerp. Your post referred to me without calling my name so i was only following your cue. But since you've named me now. Let us take from their. I HAVE CALLED YOU A LIAR AND HYPOCRITE BEFORE AND IF NECESSARY I WILL DO SO. Do not worry about that. Mboge On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > You are not man enough to name names Mr. Mboge are you? You are drowning > in hate and deception... you might as well prepare because you will hear > the criticism either you like them or not... Your records of intolerance > speaks for itself.. > > Demba > > > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> It seems some are still wallowing in their stupid convoluted and >> perverted delusions they called criticality. They keep lying to themselves >> that people calling out the 'enablers' pretending to be 'born-again' >> saviours are being hyprocritical because their party's policies are being >> criticised. It is real pointless to argue with someone who is >> convinced that his lies are the truth. Some of us have made it abundantly >> clear that we are no PDOIS members but since the likes of Mathew Jallow and >> his little 'flunkies' have no valid arguments they will insist on a lie to >> make themselves relevant. >> >> Well, for me i have seen more acerbic and personalised criticism of >> Halifa and PDOIS and it does not trouble me in anyway. I know Halifa >> and PDOIS are more capable in defending themselves than I will ever be. >> People however can 'intellectually masturbate' to their hearts content all >> they want about PDOIS folk, i care less. As i am no PDOIS member, never >> aspired to be one and and never will be one i will let the hallucinating >> 'Jukebox' fly by night 'critical journalists' to wallow in their lies >> and delusions. Hypocrites and lies we know when we see them and WE WILL >> CALL THEM WHAT THEY ARE WITH EASE. However, i reserve the right never >> to accept the rubbish and perverted notion of selective gibberish thrown >> around on the opposition politicians on the ground as some well thought out >> critical observation. As these so-called opinionated 'critically minded' >> lot reserve the right to say anything in the name of whatever, i as well >> has the right to say that you are lying and you know you are lying. >> Staying afar in safety and castigating the efforts of the those on the >> ground fighting the system is cheap and cowardly. >> >> The greatest lie ever since the opposition to Jammeh started is the one >> 'pushed' around by the 'apologists ' of the former 'enablers' of the >> rotten regime in Gambia that certain people are trying stop 'those who >> worked with Jammeh from joining the opposition ranks'. This is an >> undiluted 'FAT LIE' and til eternity i l will refute it. >> >> No hogwashing here. >> >> Mboge >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> LJD and Yero much respect to you all as always... I wanted to make sure >>> that this argument is being hijacked and wrap around a common convenient >>> theme of those who served under the Jammeh regime and termed as >>> "enablers"... >>> >>> Uncle Matthew's larger argument remains valid that none of us can stop >>> anybody from joining the fight against Jammeh whether they previously >>> served him or not.. If fact remains that no one needs any of our permission >>> to fight against impunity whether they are born again or what have you... >>> >>> Now those who were called labelled intolerance and hypocritical were not >>> called so because they condemned the Dr. Jannehs or Dr. Jobe. They were >>> called intolerant because they came our swinging and calling people all >>> kinds of names because their party was criticized. I was personally >>> attacked for criticizing PDOIS and their policies.. >>> >>> My response here was the those who aspire to lead our country must be >>> subject to criticism just as they do to Jammeh and his gang everyday... So >>> let us not mix apples with oranges around a convenience theme for easy >>> target... *Intolerance any where is intolerance everywhere.. *The old >>> boys network of being with us or with the enemy is deceptive and >>> hypocritical... It manifest a narrow mindedness and deception... >>> >>> Finally, my personal contention remains that those who insist on their >>> way or the highway are equally enablers. Those who insist on endless >>> process and historical footnotes are equally enablers of the political >>> regime in Gambia... The hypocrisy is unbelievable... How comes Hamat Bah >>> was being paraded here as an enabler of Jammeh even though he never served >>> under the Jammeh regime? Do me a favor and just issue one statement being >>> critical of one party or the other and see how much mud is being thrown at >>> your face... That is what we will continue to call intolerance and we have >>> the records to proof it... I repeat...* intolerance anywhere is >>> intolerance everywhere*... We will not let anyone hide behind some >>> deceptive argument to buttress their purity here... >>> >>> Demba >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>> >>>> LJD, >>>> >>>> The truth will eventually prevail. When we refused to accept Mathew >>>> Jallow's and some of the other pretenders rubbish about some former >>>> 'enablers' of Jammeh being our saviours and what have you, we were called >>>> intolerant and trying to elbow people out of the opposition ranks. As i >>>> said before that is lie, none of us has the intend, power or capacity to >>>> stop anyone from joining Jammeh but what i will not keep mute about is the >>>> lie that these people know something we don't know about Jammeh or that >>>> they were on some subversive mission or something to undermine Jammeh from >>>> within. The strange thing is that all these 'born-again' saviours are >>>> actually Jammeh rejects who most probably if they hadn't been thrown out >>>> they will be still with the CHILD MURDERER moonlighting as President of the >>>> Gambia. >>>> >>>> I am ignoring the rubbish reasons some of the apologists of these >>>> people keep casting around especially the nonsensical comparison someone >>>> brought about OMAR IBN HATAB the companion of our Prophet. We know Halifa >>>> Omar IBN Hatab was never a snitch neither an enabler. He initially refused >>>> to join ISLAM based on a principled conviction of what was obtained in >>>> Arabia when the new religion of Islam began spreading. When he was >>>> convinced of the message brought by the Prophet of Islam he became one of >>>> the fierciest defenders of it and never betrayed the trust of anyone. >>>> Comparing him and his ways with the Jammeh's former enablers is to me >>>> blasphemous. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Mboge >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes Mboge, I too thought about Mathew K's motivation, but whatever >>>>> the driver behind his conversion, I'm pleased he appreciates the >>>>> contradiction in going after the Professor, and his current enablers, and >>>>> turning a blind eye to the moral infringements of those who sat and dined >>>>> at that merciless table less than ten years ago. As they say, better late >>>>> than never. >>>>> >>>>> Just teasing Mathew about apologizing, as I am aware he wont. and >>>>> there is really no reason to anyway. I'm celebrating nevertheless, and like >>>>> the sea of its foreign content, time will lay bare Mathew's inspiration for >>>>> embracing the truth. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> LJDarbo >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 30 April 2013, 1:42 >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [G_L] BRILLIANT COMMENTARY FROM MATHEW K JALLOW >>>>> >>>>> LJD, >>>>> >>>>> I chuckled when i read Mathew's piece on Maafanta earlier. I thought >>>>> this is good but why the omission of his friends. Anyway, no need to >>>>> apologise to me. Just wondering what caused this latest epiphany . >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Mboge >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Lamin Darbo < >>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> All >>>>> >>>>> I'm not in the habit of forwarding material by Mathew K Jallow, but I >>>>> proudly make an exception on this occasion. Even with his stark >>>>> omissions, this is a brilliant piece, and please feel free to insert >>>>> the names that are shouting for inclusion in this Professor Jammeh >>>>> luminaries list including "... Sarjo Jallow, Nene Macdolle, Fatoumata >>>>> Tambajang, Nana Grey-Johnson, Bala Garba-Jahumpa and Mbemba Tambedou ..." >>>>> >>>>> Will our good brother now do the honorable thing and apologize to M O >>>>> Mboge, Joe Sambou, and myself for saying the very same thing only months >>>>> ago, and in the process needlessly incurring his substantial wrath. Mathew >>>>> has come of age, and I am now willing to consider him for President of the >>>>> Third Republic. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> LJDarbo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *The Gambia: The new mind of a people and the color of betrayal***** >>>>> * * >>>>> *By Mathew K Jallow***** >>>>> ** ** >>>>> To digress from the nastiness of politics for a moment, this focus, >>>>> instead, on human nature in Gambia, is a fundamental component of the >>>>> changes in our cultural landscape. This plunge into the complexity of human >>>>> nature attempts to contextualize the enormous lapses in judgment to which >>>>> many Gambians have become willing victims. And, this is not in reference to >>>>> theoretical psychology, but on the facts of our lives that respond to our >>>>> moral groundings. It is our lived experience, groomed by society’s norms, >>>>> and distinguish our capacity to rationalize from the other forces in >>>>> nature; animals. At one critical level, our countrymen and womens’ fickle >>>>> minds lend themselves to fall into the dreadful entrapment of the promises >>>>> of power and prestige, but perhaps the most significant motivating factor >>>>> is the power of economics; the bottom-line. In short, it is purely an issue >>>>> of self-preservation dictated by a need for political power and economic >>>>> self-protection, and over the past eighteen years, it has devalued our >>>>> concepts of society, but even more importantly, our perception of our >>>>> fellow countrymen and women is hopelessly entangled between the clearly >>>>> opposing contradictions of moral obligation and our Darwinian primordial >>>>> instincts for survival. The most recent intense public castigation campaign >>>>> and moral marginalization of Nana Grey-Johnson, typify the stark division >>>>> among Gambians; a division explainable primarily by simple environmental >>>>> factors. I was tongue-tied, of course, during Nana’s ordeal, not because of >>>>> an innate desire to protect a friend, but rather because of the awareness >>>>> of how economic conditions at home provide a powerful force for >>>>> malleability and utter indifference to moral rationality.**** >>>>> ** ** >>>>> Clearly, Nana Grey-Johnson deserved the loud criticisms too, for >>>>> failing the moral test, but, with that story now behind us, Nana Grey is >>>>> not unmindful that he is wedged between the dangerous company of Imperial >>>>> King, Yahya Jammeh and the unforgiving indignation of the vocal Gambian >>>>> minority. Today, Gambia is in the grip of an intellectual degradation >>>>> unlike anything Africa has experienced since the seventies, and the >>>>> customariness with which many Gambians have fallen victims to Imperial >>>>> King, Yahya Jammeh’s power and the lure of political status is an object of >>>>> ongoing debate among Gambians. The long list of Gambians deserving case >>>>> studies to provide empirical evidence in understanding the cruelty of >>>>> Gambian politics under Imperial King, Yahya Jammeh, include, but is not >>>>> limited only to; Sarjo Jallow, Nene Macdolle, Fatoumata Tambajang, Nana >>>>> Grey-Johnson, Bala Garba-Jahumpa and Mbemba Tambedou, all relatives and >>>>> close friends, among the other eighty cabinet appointments under Yahya >>>>> Jammeh. But, this failure of moral obligation to Gambians has a religious >>>>> dimension, further complicating the enormous challenges of moral >>>>> uprightness. The fact that so many Gambians choose to disregard the failure >>>>> of leadership under Imperial King, Yahya Jammeh, is itself stunning, but >>>>> that so many of them can endure the indignities of arrests, tortures and >>>>> recycleing back into the system, is mind-blowing and absurd. But, what >>>>> obsesses the Gambian mind most is the calculations of accepting temporary >>>>> appointment in any position under Yahya Jammeh even while Gambians continue >>>>> to be murdered, to disappear and to be reduced in their aspirations and >>>>> limited in their freedoms.**** >>>>> ** ** >>>>> Intellectual uprightness dictates the assumption of moral superiority >>>>> in our patriotic obligations to our fellow citizens, but the utter failure >>>>> to live up to that ideal, will compel my friend Nana Grey-Johnson and all >>>>> the others to endure the cloud of bitterness and indignant distaste likely >>>>> to hang over their heads in the coming years. That said, the complete >>>>> collapse of the moral moorings of fellow citizens back home; from the >>>>> senior cabinet positions, to civil servants and to other levels of society, >>>>> more than being tantalizing, is slowly reconfiguring the psyche of our >>>>> people and changing the values inherited for our noble past. And for now, >>>>> Gambians still disappear; the murders still escalate; prison once an >>>>> anathema, is now almost a rite of passage; executions still concealed by >>>>> the darkness of night, and the terror of a people speaks loudly in its >>>>> silent eloquence. Still, Gambians, from cabinet appointees to senior civil >>>>> servants and political activists, remain unbothered by the tremendous >>>>> criminality of the regime, but most specifically, of Imperial King, Yahya >>>>> Jammeh. The unflattering nature of the regime typify a loss of credibility >>>>> that borders on illegitimacy and the reduction of an entire society into a >>>>> permanent underclass signals the saturation our endurance and the >>>>> inevitable need for political change. But, whether Imperial King, Yahya >>>>> Jammeh will move out by his own freewill or by the devastating force of >>>>> cold lead through his brain, is another matter altogether. The suffering >>>>> people of the Gambia have time on their side. For, even the longest >>>>> nightmare has its day of freedom, and the Gambia is no different. As it is, >>>>> the new Gambian mindset lacks the basic tenets of morality, and Nana >>>>> Grey-Johnson, like other who serve Yahya Jammeh, speaks to that moral >>>>> deficit and that color of betrayal.**** >>>>> ** ** >>>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To >>>>> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >>>>> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>>>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >>>>> http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >>>>> the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>>>> [log in to unmask]¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To >>>>> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >>>>> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>>>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >>>>> http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >>>>> the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>>>> [log in to unmask]¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To >>>>> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >>>>> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>>>> >>>>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >>>>> http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >>>>> the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>>>> [log in to unmask]¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >>>>> >>>> >>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To >>>> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >>>> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>>> >>>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >>>> http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >>>> the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>>> [log in to unmask]¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *"Be the change you want to see in the World"* >>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To >>> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >>> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>> >>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >>> http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >>> the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>> [log in to unmask]¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >>> >> >> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To >> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >> >> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >> http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >> the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >> [log in to unmask]¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >> > > > > -- > *"Be the change you want to see in the World"* > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the > List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask]¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤