*"Demba is a politician to the core." Yero???? *How sure are you? Now who
said they were a better politician than all of us? You can probably say am
a run-away gainako if you have not figured... am now an "apologist" I will
let Cousin Haruna handle this one for me...

Regards

Demba


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Mawdo Demba,
>
> Thanks for the humor and much appreciated.
>
> Haruna, you are more gainako than Demba is, so quit it, Demba is not
> capable to be our reference point. (LOL). Demba is a politician to the
> core. He will certainly tell you that we don't quite agree on a lot of
> stuff. Thanks for sharing about the gainako experience.
>
> As for LJD, I first need to know where he stand on a lot of matters before
> I can allow him be the judge. First, he recently reveals leaning towards
> Republicans by his endorsement of Bush. Second, he is trapped between
> "reconciliation" and being hard on those called turncoats. What I look for
> in my future leaders are ones that shun terror and injustices of all sorts,
> and open up to unite all Gambians, making sure even the greatest Gambian
> oppressor himself (Jammeh) will be tried for guilt or innocence in a
> competent court of law.
>
> If you allow me time, we might be able to wrap this debate nicely. The
> points taking part is most important and no doubt, I have seen great points
> being raised worth consideration in making assessment of Gambia's political
> nightmare. It is just complicated....
>
> Let no one fail for baits of insults. It is clearly not worth the time.
> For anyone that is not empty, there are things more useful to engage in.
>
> Again, keep these reviews coming.....
>
> Best regards,
> Yero.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 13:24:15 -0700
> From: [log in to unmask]
>
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Standards of Revolution and wide open doors for
> Reconciliation. Yero.
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> *"Hakkundeh mi Allah!"  Haruna.. *Yero you better watch out men... my
> cousin Haruna knows this stuff well... I like the analogy... and yes,
> reconciliation comes after victory... Some of these knuckle heads needs to
> be defeated convincingly to the level of surrender be4 we can set up a
> reconciliation panel headed by the highly capable honorable LJD... Thanks
> for the humor...Cousin Haruna
>
> Demba
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Yero, I see where you get your suicidally inexhaustible knack for
> non-descript forgiveness. I'll have you know that I am both a shepherd
> and a farmer. Ask my cousins Demba and Dem. The Lundugal you're speaking
> of, is for the errant and diseased cow. I encourage you to consider BOTH
> the errant and diseased cow AND the normal cows. Some diseases have a way
> of jumping synapses like Lundugal. (: You and I are on the same page Yero.
> I merely wanted you to imagine the power of your enormous reserve for
> forgiveness and reconciliation - AFTER VICTORY of BATTLE. Not before or
> during. I don't want to lose you and I want to be comfortable fighting
> alongside you.
>
>  I love your humor men. Hakkundeh mi Allah!
>
> Haruna.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 1:22 pm
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Standards of Revolution and wide open doors for
> Reconciliation. Yero.
>
>  Haruna:
>
> Nice pointers and I enjoy going through everyone's submission even those
> that have a different view points to mine. In my view, it is healthy and we
> all must debate to agree to disagree without having to be disagreable.
>  I will inshallahu attempt to stretch more on my points as time allows me.
> The intention is not to leave any unclear item out there for anyone.
>
> On a humorous note, I am a shepherd. What a shepherd does is to look after
> the whole herd. We look after all of them even the cows that act bad. Here
> and there, we prescribe "necklaces" (stick loads called 'Lundugal' in
> Pular) on the cows that act out of ordinary to rehabilitate them.
>
> Keep these reviews coming ....and I am keenly following. I am not done
> with my good friend and brother LJD yet. :)
>
> Best & thanks,
> Yero
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 12:19:02 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Standards of Revolution and wide open doors for
> Reconciliation. Yero.
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>  Brother Yero, I was sitting here listening to your notes and I couldn't
> help but be a bit perplexed. I will share with you why I was none the wiser
> after reading you:
>
> I will share with you your last paragraph -
>
>   [Thanks again for the great points. Without being difficult, I
> recognize the damage done to our citizens by Jammeh and his accomplices.
> That makes it quite hard especially after full knowledge of the regime's
> "terror" on citizens, to join in the name of changing the game. I know they
> will never change any game and what we have seen is the game being changed
> on them, and 99.99% of the time, some of those people became the first
> casualities.] Yero.
>
> So if Yahya killed my brother, or assassinated my cousin, or maimed my
> friend, or caused the death of my fellow citizen while he/she was wrongfully
> imprisoned, do you suggest that I will be so defeated and broken that I
> will join Yahya's murder Inc. just to save my own skin????? Even with
> forewarning that I would suffer the same fate as my fellow citizens did
> sooner or later if I join Yahya's murder Inc.? Please help me understand
> your notes a bit more because I don't think I understood it properly.
>
> Regarding standards and circumstance you expressed some fear;
>
> [With regards to the standards giving you sleepless nights,it shouldn't.
> We are all stressing standards to be exercised. I think the problem has
> been who sets which standards for who. Like you stated before, our sympathy
> if any is clearly born out of Gambia's lawless sphere. No one as far as I
> am concerned is saying people must not be held accountable for wrongs they
> committed.I hold that standards are foremost but such standards must
> niether be selective nor geared on alienating a certain group.] Yero.
>
> In our common struggle against lawlessness Yero (Law is a standard), our
> side of the battle does not have a discernible authority to set law.
> Therefore we must go by the standards, the absence of which caused the
> lawlessness we are fighting against. For example - to abduct someone or set
> their place of business on fire are crimes. To know who committed the
> crime and not share it with your fellow citizens and a reliable court, is
> also a crime. To enable the commission of either of these crimes is also
> a crime called aiding and abetting. Our standards therefore, set by no
> one of us but adopted by all of us as guide in our common fight against
> lawlessness are:
>
> We will not abduct. We will not set fire to the properties of our
> fellows. We will EXPOSE those criminals we are aware of even if they
> blend among us in our fight or even if they are family members of ours. We
> will not work with or aid abet these criminal UNTIL they are prosecuted
> for their crimes and have asked for forgiveness or paid restitution to
> their victims. Adhering to these fundamental standards (set by no one of us
> because that is not necessary) means that each of us not only has to pay
> lipservice to them, we must live them every second of every minute of every
> hour of every day, week, month, and year. I see you used COMMITTED in the
> past tense so you are suggesting that the criminal has been prosecuted, has
> repented, has paid restitution to his/her victims, and has never committed
> the, or any more crimes. Now I want you to think about the TURNCOATS in
> our common fight. They continue to commit crimes, to obstruct justice, and
> to aid and abet other criminals. When we excuse these criminals, what we
> are doing is acting as their jurors and assuming fraudulent agency for
> their victims. We cannot hold them accountable for their crimes until
> they are adjudged by a competent court and jury of their fellows. All we
> can do is to live our standards as we fight lawlessness or the absence of
> standards. Standards, by their very nature, are aimed at alienating
> vagabonds and errant fellows. So to the extent you consider these groups of
> our fellow honorable citizens, standards are aimed at alienating these
> groups. You must be certain of that and resolute enough in your fight, to
> alienate and join in the prosecution of them before you begin the fight
> against them. Adhering to your standards. The guard against lawlessness.
>
> On unity and reconciliation, Yero you expressed some concern as to how we
> can attain those:
>
> *[My worry continues to loom over how unity can be achieved which
> requires strategy.* *Further, my worry looms over how everyone will be
> treated fairly*. *In doing this struggle to rescue Gambia and Gambians
> from Jammeh's impunity, we the people must neither be bullies/oppressors
> ourselves nor lose sight of what it means to encourage those that committed
> wrongs to rehabilitate, join to expose the regime and be ready to submit to
> justice whenever it calls.* *The door to welcome anyone willing to leave
> the dictator to join us must be left wide open, of course with greater
> caution.* To my surprise, most of the time, such a message is misconstued
> to interpret something else. Moreover, you will agree some of the
> intolerant tendencies that surface online here and there shows that while
> we seek to replace Jammeh's impunity, there is still a greater fear that
> true liberation is not that close. We the people must act better than the
> rotten system we seek to replace.] Yero.
>
> Yero, I think you're putting the cart before the horse here. Remember
> you're still in the battle. You risk losing your life if you should pause
> in the middle of putting up your shield to stop a spear, to work on the
> dividends of victory. Further, there no greater strategy required to
> achieve unity and reconciliation than honesty, sincerity, consideration,
> and prosecution of crimes. Before and after the battle. While in battle,
> you treat the foe fairly by exacting consistent lethal damage on them, and out
> of battle, you maintain the same standards you set for yourself and that
> urged you to battle in the first place. Treating folk fairly in times of
> peace means that you allow them their Human rights to free speech, choice,
> and association for religion and industry. That is what you went into
> battle to resurrect. The opposite of lawlessness. International standards
> and norms for relationships among men and women. I like your wise counsel
> in purple, but I think you're conflating an avowed and unrepentant
> criminal with your fellow errant and clueless citizen. The latter can be
> rehabilitated without battle. But you're in battle for the rehabilitation
> of the pathological criminal, so he/she will be readied to submit to
> justice AFTER YOU ARREST HIM/HER. When you have defeated him/her in
> battle because by the very act of going to battle with you, the criminal is
> convinced you're the criminal, and he wouldn't be taken alive by someone
> who in his warped mind, is a bully and an oppressor of criminals. (: The
> door of reconciliation that you suggest we keep wide open, let us hurry up
> and salvage the door from the avowed and unrepentant criminal first, then
> we, your fellow citizens, will help you keep it wide open for the errant
> and clueless citizen. Yero, there will always be a fear among men and
> women of the resurgens of criminals. That is exactly why you, JDAM,
> Demba, Olfactor, Giuseppe, and myself are in battle currently. When the
> defeated criminals or newer criminals resurface later, you must have the
> resolution to join with your fellow conscientious citizens to do battle
> again. That resolution comes from us living our standards each second, of
> every minute, of every hour, of each day, week, month, and year. You can
> never stop the resurgens of criminals, but if they are more resolute than
> you are in adhering to your standards, why you'd be fighting a lot of
> battles and according the law of averages, you risk being consumed by
> your own shortcoming in resolutions.
>
> When you are in battle, it is not necessary to let other determine what
> route you should take. That may be hazardous to your health and safety.
> Decide upon a route, stick to it, and fight battle for it. Hope that your
> fellow does the same. Cumulative Infinitesimal Worth (CIW) is the Achiles
> heel of all battle. That is what won battles for Jesus, Musa, Omar Ibn
> Hattab, Ghandiji, Obama, and the multitudes who came before us. I am
> convinced Yero that you are sometimes your own worst enemy by constantly
> second-guessing your own strategy while in the midst of battle. Don't scare
> me to fight next to you in battle my friend.
>
> Haruna.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 3:27 am
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] FW: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
>
>    LJD:
>
> Thanks to all for expansion of such a debate. Please allow me make closure
> at my end on this by saying the following and just a note that your take is
> entirely understood.
>
>  With regards to the standards giving you sleepless nights,it shouldn't.
> We are all stressing standards to be exercised. I think the problem has
> been who sets which standards for who. Like you stated before, our sympathy
> if any is clearly born out of Gambia's lawless sphere. No one as far as I
> am concerned is saying people must not be held accountable for wrongs they
> committed.I hold that standards are foremost but such standards must
> niether be selective nor geared on alienating a certain group. My worry
> continues to loom over how unity can be achieved which requires strategy.
> Further, my worry looms over how everyone will be treated fairly. In doing
> this struggle to rescue Gambia and Gambians from Jammeh's impunity, we the
> people must neither be bullies/oppressors ourselves nor lose sight of what
> it means to encourage those that committed wrongs to rehabilitate, join to
> expose the regime and be ready to submit to justice whenever it calls. The
> door to welcome anyone willing to leave the dictator to join us must be
> left wide open, of course with greater caution. To my surprise, most of the
> time, such a message is misconstued to interpret something else. Moreover,
> you will agree some of the intolerant tendencies that surface online here
> and there shows that while we seek to replace Jammeh's impunity, there is
> still a greater fear that true liberation is not that close. We the people
> must act better than the rotten system we seek to replace.
>
> In any way, I have just put in my opinion on this. It is upto Gambians
> entirely to decide what route we want to take. I am of course with the
> consensus of all those sincere who believe in a democratic Gambia. This is
> why like many of you, I have given up on many luxuries to keep fighting. I
> have never worked for Jammeh, I do not have an immediate family/friend
> member that works for him. Even those that work for him or
> support him knows to give me enough space in both my local community and
> beyond, because I speak my opinion without fear, and that opinion I don't
> let anyone censor.
>
> Thanks again for the great points. Without being difficult, I recognize
> the damage done to our citizens by Jammeh and his accomplices. That makes
> it quite hard especially after full knowledge of the regime's "terror" on
> citizens, to join in the name of changing the game. I know they will never
> change any game and what we have seen is the game being changed on them,
> and 99.99% of the time, some of those people became the first casualities.
>
> Best regards,
> Yero
>
>
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 07:32:58 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] FW: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>  I hear you YJ. Reconciliation is of course unavoidable under a new
> dispensation, but what sleepless nights you caused me by insisting on a
> public space without standards.
>
>  LJDarbo
>
>    ------------------------------
>  *From:* Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
> *To:* a Gambia-L <[log in to unmask]>; MightyPost <
> [log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 May 2013, 8:19
> *Subject:* RE: [G_L] [>-<] FW: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
>
>    Dear Haruna,
>
> I am loving your submission. I am still thinking how would a
> future democratic Gambian leader handle such a delicate situation. I
> recognize the difficulty involved.
>
> I believe at some point in Gambia's struggle, we would have to consider
> reconciliation especially after Jammeh is gone, so people can forge ahead
> and open a new chapter. This will probably include lesser punishment for
> those that willingly cooperate and submit themselves for any crimes they
> might have committed.
>
> In anyway, by my earlier submission, it is no endorsement for any that
> fits the description of a turncoat.
>
> Thanks for the expansion Haruna. I am greatly enlightened on this topic.
>
> Best always,
> Yero
>
>   ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:40:53 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] FW: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Brother Yero,
>
> I appreciate your compass in change management and I encourage JDAM to
> consider your views through that prism. I rather fault parallax for the
> apparent divergence between the two of you. As you have indicated in your
> notes, it is evident that the two of you are squarely on the same side
> when it comes to your common enemy Yahya. What may be a problem is the
> definition of "Turncoat".
>
> What JDAM et al are saying is that the "turncoat" in Gambia affairs is one
> who, for economic gain, expediency, self-preservation, or other personal
> reason, joins your oppressor. And while he/she is with the oppressor,
> oppressing you or covering the oppressions of the oppressor, continues to
> solicit your understanding and to curry your favor, for when he falls out
> of favor with the lunatic oppressor. For he/she knows, as Omar Ibn Hattab
> had always known from the history of his times, that a fallout with an
> unrepentant criminal is inevitable. And when he/she falls out with the
> avowed criminal, he/she worms his way back to your heart that he had
> prepared while with the criminal. So what you refer to as turncoat, JDAM,
> and myself, believe is a common criminal and opportunist.
>
> In the annals of Revolution and battle (Omar Ibn Hattab), there are those
> innocent persons who get caught in the crossfire. And when they have the
> opportunity, they bear on the right side of the battle. Those people,
> who, under duress and forcible coercion seemed to be on the other side
> but when they have the minutest freedom, that you and your honorable men
> and women help to yield, they will come to the side of truth and justice.
> Those persons ought to be welcome and embraced, and protected, to never
> again fall victim or prey to the criminal. For JDAM, Olfactor, Giuseppe,
> and myself, these persons are NOT "Turncoats", but victims of the criminal.
>
> Folk like Nana Grey, Uwaa, and a multitude others, who have the acumen and
> intellect, coupled with glaring historical record, who voulntarily join
> the criminal enterprise for their selfish reasons, and try to play both
> sides to maintain emolument, are TURNCOATS. Beware of parallax Ma Yero
> and Cous Demba. You will never win a revolutionary or even religious war
> with turncoats. They will undermine your treasure and frustrate your
> advances. So help me DaarManso.
>
>  Haruna. I do appreciate your inexhaustible hope in the time-value of
> circumspect. 10 years and counting Ma Yero.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:11 am
> Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] FW: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
>
>
> LJD,
>
> Thanks for the brilliant lecture about Bush, his predecessors, and
> American politics in general. I am not in any way taking away some of the
> credits he earned as a President. Certainly, black appointees were more in
> his administration as you rightly mentioned, together with some of his
> “cool” ways of appealing to Americans. When Bush admitted to having smoked
> weeds in his younger days, that was it. (LOL).  I am in no way saying
> that Bush was empty but I must tell you he was somewhat a problem in major
> things that certainly raised red flags for a healthy democracy like
> America.  Earlier on the day, I followed one of the former Supreme Court
> Judges in the person of Sandra Day O’Connor who expressed regrets over the
> way that the 2000 Florida decision was finalized which saw George W. Bush
> to power. (Star Tribune, 04/26/13). Personally, I am opposed to some of
> these wars waged in the name of liberation and war against terror. Like any
> other tax payer, I would have loved to see things directed to areas that
> benefit humanity, rather than create human suffering. This was a major
> contributor to job loss and to somewhat crippling America’s great economy.
> While I fully believe in America’s models of democracy, some of the wars we
> fought could have been handled different. We’ve seen a great deal of mess,
> from human loss, to destruction of infrastructure, thus creating more
> enemies out there. This was spelt out clearly by Obama during his first
> elections that brought him to power.
>
> Regards to Gambia’s politics (Nana, Waa, etc), it is a total mess, and
> nothing could be more confusing.
>
> I for one agree with you that our differences are more philosophical. I
> realized the favorite word in town, ‘Turncoats.’ I sometimes get blown away
> how supposedly future leaders of our country get so comfortable using the
> words ‘Turncoats’ and ‘apologists’ on others who are on their side. We all
> are too familiar with the Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) struggle to win the
> hearts of his one time foes. Omar (RA) was one that we know much about. I
> know that was religion and this one is politics. The truth is we must be
> very careful in our battles for redemption.  Let us go after the enemy
> and his combatants. Those that changed positions (turncoats) to our side
> must be welcomed to come and fight with us. Often times, people like to
> blow things out of proportion to the extent of insult. This has yielded us
> nothing but more division and giving more victory to the common enemy. I am
> openly saying that we must all change in attitude, from those that are too
> blinded to join ranks with Jammeh, to those that enjoy saying they never
> worked with Jammeh, to extent mount aggression on those constantly being
> termed here turncoats.  The argument is weak to even label people as
> “lacking principle/standards” because of a person’s opinion that we must
> seek to unite than divide. It is not only unhealthy, it shows scary
> tendencies. Some of these misnomers are so unfitting and to our
> disadvantage, the victor is only Jammeh. A liberator cannot be a bully.
>
> In any way, the Gambia belongs to all of us. We all must decide what
> Gambia we want for our children and grandchildren. If we continue on some
> of the paths that I observed, I am truly afraid; we will be behind for a
> while. For any that beats the chest in boastfulness is not the one, and the
> one that divides is equally not the one.
>
>
>
> Best regards & thanks for any expansion in advance. Your humbleness and
> ability to remain civil and calm at all times is admirable. For that, I say
> you are winning...and keep it even sharper!
>
> Yero.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [>-<] FW: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:36:07 -0500
>
> Fyi
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:31:08 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> LJD, be rest assured of our highest regards despite our differences in
> opinion. I will attempt to stretch this a little further for you early
> tomorrow inshallah. Thanks as always for being constantly civil in all your
> debates.   Best, Yero.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 00:23:05 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>  YJ
>
>  Haruna deliberately misquoted George W
>
>  In terms of conduct in the international arena, only Jimmy Carter was
> better than him. As the preeminent imperial power since 1945, US foreign
> policy is tragic through and through. On the subject of foreign policy, W's
> rascalism was at par with that of Obama, Clinton, Bush Snr, Reagan, and
> stretching back to Eisenhower. As far as appointments, he was better than
> Obama and all the Democratic presidents since the structures of segregation
> began seriously crumbling in the Kennedy/Johnson era. He was the first
> President to allocate State, and National Security, to Black appointees.
> The Bushisms and American foreign policy misadventures notwithstanding, I
> always have a soft spot for George W. As far as foreign policy, I think
> even naturalized Americans like you are no different from your presidents.
> You equate war with your Hollywood movies, a tragic mindset by any account.
> Nevertheless, I am an Americophile, someone deeply in love with the land of
> freedom and endless marvels.
>
>  On Nana Grey-Johnson, I was somewhat baffled by your apparent stance. If
> I didn't know you better, I'd say your sympathy may be running thin for the
> "turncoats". I know that's not you, but I am unwilling to separate the Waa
> Juwaras and Grey-Johnsons from the historical cases, the class spanning the
> period 2000-2010. Why do you appear to separate them?
>
>  Demba's heart is in the right place and he is a dependable partner in
> the struggle against tyranny in The Gambia. He is not an apologist at all.
> Our differences over the "turncoats" are more philosophical, and I can't
> see my condemnation of blatant opportunism by those who ought to know
> better, and did know better, changing anytime soon.
>
>
>  LJDarbo
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Yero Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 April 2013, 21:11
> *Subject:* Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
>
>  Mawdo Demba,
>
> Great Points. I equally share and respect all of your takes. That make
> these forums lively. Your take certainly doesn't make you an apologist.
> Your records during the course of Gambia's struggle speaks for itself. You
> have agreed to be in the line of fire at the expense of everything.
>
> That aside, I think there are some lessons to learn from. From some of
> your points that I gathered, the most terrible dictators were crumbled from
> within, some reasonable even have to join to partially redirect certain
> things. That hasn't been the case at all in Gambia, and If LJD will permit
> me borrow his line, "A snow ball has more chance in hell."
>
> The whole thing comes back to Haruna's line " Like President W said: You
> fool me once, you fool me twice, why you, you,..I mean, can't fool again.
> what? oh fool me once, can't fool me again."
>
> Have a great weekend...
>
> Best,
> Yero
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:06:36 -0700
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> LJD,
>
>  I am in agreement with all of you in principle and am definitely not
> embracing Grey Johnson taking a position with Jammeh. By now anyone who
> slightly bothers to know my stand will not associate me with being an
> apologist for those associated with Jammeh... I guess there is a side of me
> that continue to wish and yearn that citizens will stand up to Jammeh and
> point their fingers right in between his eyes and say not this time.. Is
> avoiding him and taking a leave as we all did the best way to fight and get
> rid of him, hmmm... I doubt it.. I think the more we choose to fight from a
> distant the more he can consolidate power and be more emboldened...
>
>  Dictators have historically survived because they alienate and send away
> anything that resembles a challenge... Well, I guess my dream of people who
> we once looked at as respectful standing up against Jammeh will never come
> true... My inspiration or dream if you may comes from the concept of the
> "nation school" where citizens' contributions can be separated from
> dictator's desire to be the nation and the state....This optimism in me
> never seems to go away!
>
>  Thanks always for the rejoinders
>
>  Demba
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Baba Galleh Jallow <[log in to unmask]
> > wrote:
>
>  Indeed Lamin. Brother Grey Johnson will survive as long as he happily
> licks Jammeh's boots and agrees to be a robot. The moment he seems to be
> too much in the public eye or takes a single half-decision without a nod
> from above, he is gone. The threat of perpetual money worries could well be
> troubling and painful. But it is no excuse to sell one's soul to the devil;
> which is what anyone does who decides to court and accept a position from
> Baboon Mansa. It is not much of a danger to predict that like many before
> him, Mr. Grey Johnson will not long survive in his new post. Making such a
> prediction is not wishing him ill; it is merely a statement of fact or at
> the very least, very high probability based on empirical evidence. And yes,
> when he is eventually booted out, it would be impossible for him to reclaim
> the dignity he enjoyed among his peers before he joined the dictatorship. I
> like your metaphor of a snowball and its chances in hell.
>
> Baba
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:27:53 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
>
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
>  To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>  Well Mboge, we are not speculating here. As if Professor Jammeh was
> reading us on the "L" and "the Post" on the Trojan question around the
> "turncoats", he clearly stated that no one comes to his Cabinet to "manage"
> him. He specifically made this pointless statement during the EU 17-point
> crisis. I termed it "pointless" because I am in no doubt he stated the
> dominant reality in his political territory and any suggestion to the
> contrary is just plain fantasy. I won't buy any Trojan product even if
> priced at just a butut in that as long as it relates to the Professor's
> Cabinet terrain, it has to be fake. Like all the other "turncoats", Nana
> Grey-Johnson is there for Nana Grey-Johnson and he cannot improve the
> plight of the private media in The Gambia. I don't know about you, but I
> won't live in crocodile infested waters if that habitat is totally alien to
> my nature, i.e., if I do not have some crocodile characteristics myself.
> Anyone who joined the Professor's Cabinet after April 2000 must have closed
> his eyes to extremely blatant realities.
>
>  Below I illustrate!
>
>  In late October 1998, Baba Jobe (may the God of infinite mercy forgive
> him) called me at Banjul Magistrates Court on an administrative matter
> touching MansaKonko Magistrates Court. I was newly appointed Magistrate but
> retained my immediate past position as Senior Assistant Secretary in the
> Judiciary until a substantive replacement could be found. I was therefore
> the point-person for all non-critical administrative matters affecting the
> Judiciary. During the 15-20 minutes conversation, Baba informed me that
> anyone not supportive of President Jammeh cannot be in good terms with him.
> I don't know where this was coming from as I did not make any difficult
> decisions as of this time. Baba was at the height of his influence and he
> probably saw an opportunity to intimidate a new Magistrate.
>
>  Fast forward to 2004 when Baba was on trial for alleged economic crimes.
> Sensing the direction of the trial, Baba's lawyer filed a motion before the
> trial Court to say he was not confident of getting a fair trial and
> outcome. The absence of a fair trial was never a worry for Baba before
> 2004, but he must have known a thing or two about politically persecutions
> and closed his eyes to the tragedy inherent in that great travesty.
>
>  When did Baba know about unfair trials in politically motivated cases?
> In 2004, or well before the tragedy of his unlawful conviction and
> sentence, a conviction and sentence that was to ultimately end in his
> untimely death? I am not in the business of creating any excuses for the
> deliberately blind and deaf intellectuals situated like Nana Grey-Johnson.
> They can't even slightly shake the Professor's system and I am always
> amused to hear this utter fantasy thrown around.
>
>
>  LJDarbo
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 27 April 2013, 9:36
> *Subject:* Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
>
>  ' ...but Nana Grey-Johnson has his faculties intact. No one understands
> the Professor's political terrain better than those who accept his
> ministerial appointments. Be "fired" and live in "dignity"? A snowball has
> more chance in hell!'
>
> LJD
>
> ---------------
>
> LJD,
>
> Thanks for the usual clarity.  Indeed  Grey-Johnson has his faculties
> fully intact.  The day this 'opportunist'  accepted to work for a known
> killer of children was the day he forfeited his integrity and dignity.
> There is no dignity in working for a killer and murderer.  Jammeh is an
> unrepentant murderer and working for his government at the level these
> 'enablers' do is simply criminal.  They will never be allowed to hogwash us
> with their convoluted reasons for joining the devil.  We will InSaaAllah be
> around to remind them and their apologists of their opportunism and
> hyprocrisy.
>
> Best,
> Mboge
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>  Ah Demba, I love your optimism but Nana Grey-Johnson has his faculties
> intact. No one understands the Professor's political terrain better than
> those who accept his ministerial appointments. Be "fired" and live in
> "dignity"? A snowball has more chance in hell!
>
>
>  LJDarbo
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 27 April 2013, 1:30
> *Subject:* Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
>
>  Mawdo Yero,
>
>  I feel you and have equal concerns. But I have a different perspective
> or should I say dream on this... I think if Minister Johnson is able to
> detach himself from the politics of the day and make efforts to work with
> the private media, he may not be successful but his efforts will be
> recorded in history  as one of our own who care about the media. He may not
> last long, but again that would have proven that were he to have the right
> political landscape he would indeed success in building bridges where
> needed.
>
>  Off course we know the bar is low in his success, but we also must
> recognize in the most difficult of circumstances, the most challenging and
> oppressing political environment, citizens can still try to work hard and
> independently to achieve something. So while Mr. Johnson may not last long
> on his role, if I were him (not in million years) I would work
> independently and let me be fired and live my dignity and respect. So I
> believe Mr. Johnson can build an independent relationship with the media
> and they will admire his efforts successful or not...
>
>  Thanks always mawdo for raising concerns.
>
> Thanks
>
> Demba
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Yero Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>  Like the adage goes, "mining mining, tafal tafal, ah labang dula,
> tohnya."  There seems to be a new Joshua in town. He is speaking like his
> predecessors. I personally doubt it is possible to be with Jammeh and be
> with the media fraternity at the same time. Let us see it.....I bet you, if
> you (Nana) make any comments about investingating the deaths of Chief
> Ebrima Manneh and Deyda Hydara; opening the closed radios and newspapers;
> and the many other problems of the media including the draconium
> stipulation that claimed Deyda's life, you will soon make Jammeh lose
> patience on you and put you in the right place like he did to your
> predecessors.
>
> What I think you (Nana) are doing is to coax (fool) the media houses by
> pretending that you are with them and stationing your self more on this
> ministry post. Please forgive my sturborness and spare me from the niceties
> like they say. For a long time, I have stopped being a fan of
> toad-politicians who change in stages overnight. These toad-politicians
> speak like angels during day, and at night, they are were-wolves dining
> with the devil and picking crumbs like the house dog. With all that this
> regime has done to citizens and continues to do which is clearly in the
> open, any of your ilks that joins this rotten administration in the name of
> changing the status quo is digging his own grave. Others more influential
> couldn't do this. What makes you think you can do it?
>
> Best,
> Yero
>
> [*‘I belong to you, I am one of you, I have not changed sides, I have not
> abandoned the fraternity. What I have done is I have extended the scope of
> the fraternity, and if you understand what that means and what advantages
> there are for you as an industry, I think we will begin to capture the
> essence of how we can mutually achieve our purposes,’ he said.] --(The
> Point Newspaper, 04/26/2013)*
>
>
>
> http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/i-have-not-changed-sides-new-information-minister-tells-journalists
>
> I have not changed sides, new Information Minister tells journalists
> <http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/i-have-not-changed-sides-new-information-minister-tells-journalists#map>
> africa <http://thepoint.gm/africa/news> » gambia<http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/news>
>    Friday, April 26, 2013
>  The new minister of Information and Communication Infrastructure has
> told journalists that he has not in any way changed sides or abandoned the
> media fraternity, stressing that what he has done is to extend the scope of
> the fraternity.
> Nana Grey-Johnson was speaking yesterday during a press briefing at GRTS
> building in Kanifing at the end of a familiarization tour of institutions
> under his ministry.
> *‘I belong to you, I am one of you, I have not changed sides, I have not
> abandoned the fraternity. What I have done is I have extended the scope of
> the fraternity, and if you understand what that means and what advantages
> there are for you as an industry, I think we will begin to capture the
> essence of how we can mutually achieve our purposes,’ he said.*
> A veteran journalist himself, Nana Grey-Johnson, whose tour took him to
> institutions like Gamtel/Gamcel, GRTS, GPPC and the Department of
> Information Services, said it is amazing to see what power lies in these
> institutions to take us where we have to go.
> ‘The Gambia having outlined its objectives on several levels, we need to
> now find out, since we have spokespersons out there in the form of the
> media, how are they going to engage with government so that we take the
> objectives forward,’ he stated.
> He told journalists that it goes without saying that the outlook of
> government is national; obviously information must reach as many people as
> possible, and information will only reach these people through the systems
> that we are.
> On his reaction to what he saw during the tour, the Minister said he saw
> hope, power, potential all of which are not being tapped.
> ‘That is a general description of what I saw,’ he said.
> On what immediate plans he has to ensure a nationwide coverage by GRTS,
> the Minister said broadcasts going on air are going on air at great costs.
> ‘There are resource issues to talk about, there are human resources issues
> to cover, the plans are there and they fall within a major strategic plan,’
> he added.
> According to him, he came on board and is talking about the repositioning
> of his Ministry, and has considered with his technicians the issues of
> “making sure that we have concrete short term, medium and long term use of
> what we are doing” between now and 2018/2020.
> ‘It is our major concern that somebody will call GRTS and say I am here, I
> am a citizen, I lived in a particular place and I know nothing that is
> going on through GRTS broadcasts.
> ‘Certainly, GRTS radio is one of my priorities, and the reason I’m saying
> this is that the studios I visited yesterday, I used to broadcast from
> them,’ he said.
> He noted that what has pushed him to dream about his ministry being a self
> financing ministry is because he is talking about Gamtel/Gamcel, GPPC, an
> organization that has been able to turn itself from the black in a matter
> of a year or a year and half, turn its accounts from red to black simply
> because of proper accounting, good personnel on the ground, responsible
> overseership, board members paying attention to the fact that they are a
> corporation and have a culture of behavior.
> On whether there are plans to visit media houses, Nana Grey-Johnson
> responded: ‘Yes, why not because if we are people who are giving
> information, then we should be informed ourselves. I will find some time to
> be able to talk to the media houses, to see how they are running, see what
> their problems are; because it is only then that we will be able to address
> issues from an informed point of view, so that we know exactly how to treat
> each other.’
> ‘We are interested in each other; we need to know what the other person is
> doing or thinking, so that we can formulate the national agenda, which is
> bigger than Nana Grey-Johnson, and it has to be so that I know exactly
> where I fit in within my contributions.
> *‘I am going to bring the media houses in so that we see a common future,
> a national future rather than a fragmented, agenda-filled environment which
> is not conducive to anything developmental,’ he stated.*
>  Author: *Njie Baldeh*
> Source: *Picture: Nana Grey-Johnson*
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