*"Demba is a politician to the core." Yero???? *How sure are you? Now who said they were a better politician than all of us? You can probably say am a run-away gainako if you have not figured... am now an "apologist" I will let Cousin Haruna handle this one for me... Regards Demba On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Mawdo Demba, > > Thanks for the humor and much appreciated. > > Haruna, you are more gainako than Demba is, so quit it, Demba is not > capable to be our reference point. (LOL). Demba is a politician to the > core. He will certainly tell you that we don't quite agree on a lot of > stuff. Thanks for sharing about the gainako experience. > > As for LJD, I first need to know where he stand on a lot of matters before > I can allow him be the judge. First, he recently reveals leaning towards > Republicans by his endorsement of Bush. Second, he is trapped between > "reconciliation" and being hard on those called turncoats. What I look for > in my future leaders are ones that shun terror and injustices of all sorts, > and open up to unite all Gambians, making sure even the greatest Gambian > oppressor himself (Jammeh) will be tried for guilt or innocence in a > competent court of law. > > If you allow me time, we might be able to wrap this debate nicely. The > points taking part is most important and no doubt, I have seen great points > being raised worth consideration in making assessment of Gambia's political > nightmare. It is just complicated.... > > Let no one fail for baits of insults. It is clearly not worth the time. > For anyone that is not empty, there are things more useful to engage in. > > Again, keep these reviews coming..... > > Best regards, > Yero. > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 13:24:15 -0700 > From: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [G_L] Standards of Revolution and wide open doors for > Reconciliation. Yero. > To: [log in to unmask] > > *"Hakkundeh mi Allah!" Haruna.. *Yero you better watch out men... my > cousin Haruna knows this stuff well... I like the analogy... and yes, > reconciliation comes after victory... Some of these knuckle heads needs to > be defeated convincingly to the level of surrender be4 we can set up a > reconciliation panel headed by the highly capable honorable LJD... Thanks > for the humor...Cousin Haruna > > Demba > > > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Yero, I see where you get your suicidally inexhaustible knack for > non-descript forgiveness. I'll have you know that I am both a shepherd > and a farmer. Ask my cousins Demba and Dem. The Lundugal you're speaking > of, is for the errant and diseased cow. I encourage you to consider BOTH > the errant and diseased cow AND the normal cows. Some diseases have a way > of jumping synapses like Lundugal. (: You and I are on the same page Yero. > I merely wanted you to imagine the power of your enormous reserve for > forgiveness and reconciliation - AFTER VICTORY of BATTLE. Not before or > during. I don't want to lose you and I want to be comfortable fighting > alongside you. > > I love your humor men. Hakkundeh mi Allah! > > Haruna. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> > To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 1:22 pm > Subject: Re: [G_L] Standards of Revolution and wide open doors for > Reconciliation. Yero. > > Haruna: > > Nice pointers and I enjoy going through everyone's submission even those > that have a different view points to mine. In my view, it is healthy and we > all must debate to agree to disagree without having to be disagreable. > I will inshallahu attempt to stretch more on my points as time allows me. > The intention is not to leave any unclear item out there for anyone. > > On a humorous note, I am a shepherd. What a shepherd does is to look after > the whole herd. We look after all of them even the cows that act bad. Here > and there, we prescribe "necklaces" (stick loads called 'Lundugal' in > Pular) on the cows that act out of ordinary to rehabilitate them. > > Keep these reviews coming ....and I am keenly following. I am not done > with my good friend and brother LJD yet. :) > > Best & thanks, > Yero > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 12:19:02 -0400 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] Standards of Revolution and wide open doors for > Reconciliation. Yero. > To: [log in to unmask] > > Brother Yero, I was sitting here listening to your notes and I couldn't > help but be a bit perplexed. I will share with you why I was none the wiser > after reading you: > > I will share with you your last paragraph - > > [Thanks again for the great points. Without being difficult, I > recognize the damage done to our citizens by Jammeh and his accomplices. > That makes it quite hard especially after full knowledge of the regime's > "terror" on citizens, to join in the name of changing the game. I know they > will never change any game and what we have seen is the game being changed > on them, and 99.99% of the time, some of those people became the first > casualities.] Yero. > > So if Yahya killed my brother, or assassinated my cousin, or maimed my > friend, or caused the death of my fellow citizen while he/she was wrongfully > imprisoned, do you suggest that I will be so defeated and broken that I > will join Yahya's murder Inc. just to save my own skin????? Even with > forewarning that I would suffer the same fate as my fellow citizens did > sooner or later if I join Yahya's murder Inc.? Please help me understand > your notes a bit more because I don't think I understood it properly. > > Regarding standards and circumstance you expressed some fear; > > [With regards to the standards giving you sleepless nights,it shouldn't. > We are all stressing standards to be exercised. I think the problem has > been who sets which standards for who. Like you stated before, our sympathy > if any is clearly born out of Gambia's lawless sphere. No one as far as I > am concerned is saying people must not be held accountable for wrongs they > committed.I hold that standards are foremost but such standards must > niether be selective nor geared on alienating a certain group.] Yero. > > In our common struggle against lawlessness Yero (Law is a standard), our > side of the battle does not have a discernible authority to set law. > Therefore we must go by the standards, the absence of which caused the > lawlessness we are fighting against. For example - to abduct someone or set > their place of business on fire are crimes. To know who committed the > crime and not share it with your fellow citizens and a reliable court, is > also a crime. To enable the commission of either of these crimes is also > a crime called aiding and abetting. Our standards therefore, set by no > one of us but adopted by all of us as guide in our common fight against > lawlessness are: > > We will not abduct. We will not set fire to the properties of our > fellows. We will EXPOSE those criminals we are aware of even if they > blend among us in our fight or even if they are family members of ours. We > will not work with or aid abet these criminal UNTIL they are prosecuted > for their crimes and have asked for forgiveness or paid restitution to > their victims. Adhering to these fundamental standards (set by no one of us > because that is not necessary) means that each of us not only has to pay > lipservice to them, we must live them every second of every minute of every > hour of every day, week, month, and year. I see you used COMMITTED in the > past tense so you are suggesting that the criminal has been prosecuted, has > repented, has paid restitution to his/her victims, and has never committed > the, or any more crimes. Now I want you to think about the TURNCOATS in > our common fight. They continue to commit crimes, to obstruct justice, and > to aid and abet other criminals. When we excuse these criminals, what we > are doing is acting as their jurors and assuming fraudulent agency for > their victims. We cannot hold them accountable for their crimes until > they are adjudged by a competent court and jury of their fellows. All we > can do is to live our standards as we fight lawlessness or the absence of > standards. Standards, by their very nature, are aimed at alienating > vagabonds and errant fellows. So to the extent you consider these groups of > our fellow honorable citizens, standards are aimed at alienating these > groups. You must be certain of that and resolute enough in your fight, to > alienate and join in the prosecution of them before you begin the fight > against them. Adhering to your standards. The guard against lawlessness. > > On unity and reconciliation, Yero you expressed some concern as to how we > can attain those: > > *[My worry continues to loom over how unity can be achieved which > requires strategy.* *Further, my worry looms over how everyone will be > treated fairly*. *In doing this struggle to rescue Gambia and Gambians > from Jammeh's impunity, we the people must neither be bullies/oppressors > ourselves nor lose sight of what it means to encourage those that committed > wrongs to rehabilitate, join to expose the regime and be ready to submit to > justice whenever it calls.* *The door to welcome anyone willing to leave > the dictator to join us must be left wide open, of course with greater > caution.* To my surprise, most of the time, such a message is misconstued > to interpret something else. Moreover, you will agree some of the > intolerant tendencies that surface online here and there shows that while > we seek to replace Jammeh's impunity, there is still a greater fear that > true liberation is not that close. We the people must act better than the > rotten system we seek to replace.] Yero. > > Yero, I think you're putting the cart before the horse here. Remember > you're still in the battle. You risk losing your life if you should pause > in the middle of putting up your shield to stop a spear, to work on the > dividends of victory. Further, there no greater strategy required to > achieve unity and reconciliation than honesty, sincerity, consideration, > and prosecution of crimes. Before and after the battle. While in battle, > you treat the foe fairly by exacting consistent lethal damage on them, and out > of battle, you maintain the same standards you set for yourself and that > urged you to battle in the first place. Treating folk fairly in times of > peace means that you allow them their Human rights to free speech, choice, > and association for religion and industry. That is what you went into > battle to resurrect. The opposite of lawlessness. International standards > and norms for relationships among men and women. I like your wise counsel > in purple, but I think you're conflating an avowed and unrepentant > criminal with your fellow errant and clueless citizen. The latter can be > rehabilitated without battle. But you're in battle for the rehabilitation > of the pathological criminal, so he/she will be readied to submit to > justice AFTER YOU ARREST HIM/HER. When you have defeated him/her in > battle because by the very act of going to battle with you, the criminal is > convinced you're the criminal, and he wouldn't be taken alive by someone > who in his warped mind, is a bully and an oppressor of criminals. (: The > door of reconciliation that you suggest we keep wide open, let us hurry up > and salvage the door from the avowed and unrepentant criminal first, then > we, your fellow citizens, will help you keep it wide open for the errant > and clueless citizen. Yero, there will always be a fear among men and > women of the resurgens of criminals. That is exactly why you, JDAM, > Demba, Olfactor, Giuseppe, and myself are in battle currently. When the > defeated criminals or newer criminals resurface later, you must have the > resolution to join with your fellow conscientious citizens to do battle > again. That resolution comes from us living our standards each second, of > every minute, of every hour, of each day, week, month, and year. You can > never stop the resurgens of criminals, but if they are more resolute than > you are in adhering to your standards, why you'd be fighting a lot of > battles and according the law of averages, you risk being consumed by > your own shortcoming in resolutions. > > When you are in battle, it is not necessary to let other determine what > route you should take. That may be hazardous to your health and safety. > Decide upon a route, stick to it, and fight battle for it. Hope that your > fellow does the same. Cumulative Infinitesimal Worth (CIW) is the Achiles > heel of all battle. That is what won battles for Jesus, Musa, Omar Ibn > Hattab, Ghandiji, Obama, and the multitudes who came before us. I am > convinced Yero that you are sometimes your own worst enemy by constantly > second-guessing your own strategy while in the midst of battle. Don't scare > me to fight next to you in battle my friend. > > Haruna. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> > To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 3:27 am > Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] FW: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson > > LJD: > > Thanks to all for expansion of such a debate. Please allow me make closure > at my end on this by saying the following and just a note that your take is > entirely understood. > > With regards to the standards giving you sleepless nights,it shouldn't. > We are all stressing standards to be exercised. I think the problem has > been who sets which standards for who. Like you stated before, our sympathy > if any is clearly born out of Gambia's lawless sphere. No one as far as I > am concerned is saying people must not be held accountable for wrongs they > committed.I hold that standards are foremost but such standards must > niether be selective nor geared on alienating a certain group. My worry > continues to loom over how unity can be achieved which requires strategy. > Further, my worry looms over how everyone will be treated fairly. In doing > this struggle to rescue Gambia and Gambians from Jammeh's impunity, we the > people must neither be bullies/oppressors ourselves nor lose sight of what > it means to encourage those that committed wrongs to rehabilitate, join to > expose the regime and be ready to submit to justice whenever it calls. The > door to welcome anyone willing to leave the dictator to join us must be > left wide open, of course with greater caution. To my surprise, most of the > time, such a message is misconstued to interpret something else. Moreover, > you will agree some of the intolerant tendencies that surface online here > and there shows that while we seek to replace Jammeh's impunity, there is > still a greater fear that true liberation is not that close. We the people > must act better than the rotten system we seek to replace. > > In any way, I have just put in my opinion on this. It is upto Gambians > entirely to decide what route we want to take. I am of course with the > consensus of all those sincere who believe in a democratic Gambia. This is > why like many of you, I have given up on many luxuries to keep fighting. I > have never worked for Jammeh, I do not have an immediate family/friend > member that works for him. Even those that work for him or > support him knows to give me enough space in both my local community and > beyond, because I speak my opinion without fear, and that opinion I don't > let anyone censor. > > Thanks again for the great points. Without being difficult, I recognize > the damage done to our citizens by Jammeh and his accomplices. That makes > it quite hard especially after full knowledge of the regime's "terror" on > citizens, to join in the name of changing the game. I know they will never > change any game and what we have seen is the game being changed on them, > and 99.99% of the time, some of those people became the first casualities. > > Best regards, > Yero > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 07:32:58 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] FW: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson > To: [log in to unmask] > > I hear you YJ. Reconciliation is of course unavoidable under a new > dispensation, but what sleepless nights you caused me by insisting on a > public space without standards. > > LJDarbo > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> > *To:* a Gambia-L <[log in to unmask]>; MightyPost < > [log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 May 2013, 8:19 > *Subject:* RE: [G_L] [>-<] FW: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson > > Dear Haruna, > > I am loving your submission. I am still thinking how would a > future democratic Gambian leader handle such a delicate situation. I > recognize the difficulty involved. > > I believe at some point in Gambia's struggle, we would have to consider > reconciliation especially after Jammeh is gone, so people can forge ahead > and open a new chapter. This will probably include lesser punishment for > those that willingly cooperate and submit themselves for any crimes they > might have committed. > > In anyway, by my earlier submission, it is no endorsement for any that > fits the description of a turncoat. > > Thanks for the expansion Haruna. I am greatly enlightened on this topic. > > Best always, > Yero > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:40:53 -0400 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] FW: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson > To: [log in to unmask] > > Brother Yero, > > I appreciate your compass in change management and I encourage JDAM to > consider your views through that prism. I rather fault parallax for the > apparent divergence between the two of you. As you have indicated in your > notes, it is evident that the two of you are squarely on the same side > when it comes to your common enemy Yahya. What may be a problem is the > definition of "Turncoat". > > What JDAM et al are saying is that the "turncoat" in Gambia affairs is one > who, for economic gain, expediency, self-preservation, or other personal > reason, joins your oppressor. And while he/she is with the oppressor, > oppressing you or covering the oppressions of the oppressor, continues to > solicit your understanding and to curry your favor, for when he falls out > of favor with the lunatic oppressor. For he/she knows, as Omar Ibn Hattab > had always known from the history of his times, that a fallout with an > unrepentant criminal is inevitable. And when he/she falls out with the > avowed criminal, he/she worms his way back to your heart that he had > prepared while with the criminal. So what you refer to as turncoat, JDAM, > and myself, believe is a common criminal and opportunist. > > In the annals of Revolution and battle (Omar Ibn Hattab), there are those > innocent persons who get caught in the crossfire. And when they have the > opportunity, they bear on the right side of the battle. Those people, > who, under duress and forcible coercion seemed to be on the other side > but when they have the minutest freedom, that you and your honorable men > and women help to yield, they will come to the side of truth and justice. > Those persons ought to be welcome and embraced, and protected, to never > again fall victim or prey to the criminal. For JDAM, Olfactor, Giuseppe, > and myself, these persons are NOT "Turncoats", but victims of the criminal. > > Folk like Nana Grey, Uwaa, and a multitude others, who have the acumen and > intellect, coupled with glaring historical record, who voulntarily join > the criminal enterprise for their selfish reasons, and try to play both > sides to maintain emolument, are TURNCOATS. Beware of parallax Ma Yero > and Cous Demba. You will never win a revolutionary or even religious war > with turncoats. They will undermine your treasure and frustrate your > advances. So help me DaarManso. > > Haruna. I do appreciate your inexhaustible hope in the time-value of > circumspect. 10 years and counting Ma Yero. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> > To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:11 am > Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] FW: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson > > > LJD, > > Thanks for the brilliant lecture about Bush, his predecessors, and > American politics in general. I am not in any way taking away some of the > credits he earned as a President. Certainly, black appointees were more in > his administration as you rightly mentioned, together with some of his > “cool” ways of appealing to Americans. When Bush admitted to having smoked > weeds in his younger days, that was it. (LOL). I am in no way saying > that Bush was empty but I must tell you he was somewhat a problem in major > things that certainly raised red flags for a healthy democracy like > America. Earlier on the day, I followed one of the former Supreme Court > Judges in the person of Sandra Day O’Connor who expressed regrets over the > way that the 2000 Florida decision was finalized which saw George W. Bush > to power. (Star Tribune, 04/26/13). Personally, I am opposed to some of > these wars waged in the name of liberation and war against terror. Like any > other tax payer, I would have loved to see things directed to areas that > benefit humanity, rather than create human suffering. This was a major > contributor to job loss and to somewhat crippling America’s great economy. > While I fully believe in America’s models of democracy, some of the wars we > fought could have been handled different. We’ve seen a great deal of mess, > from human loss, to destruction of infrastructure, thus creating more > enemies out there. This was spelt out clearly by Obama during his first > elections that brought him to power. > > Regards to Gambia’s politics (Nana, Waa, etc), it is a total mess, and > nothing could be more confusing. > > I for one agree with you that our differences are more philosophical. I > realized the favorite word in town, ‘Turncoats.’ I sometimes get blown away > how supposedly future leaders of our country get so comfortable using the > words ‘Turncoats’ and ‘apologists’ on others who are on their side. We all > are too familiar with the Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) struggle to win the > hearts of his one time foes. Omar (RA) was one that we know much about. I > know that was religion and this one is politics. The truth is we must be > very careful in our battles for redemption. Let us go after the enemy > and his combatants. Those that changed positions (turncoats) to our side > must be welcomed to come and fight with us. Often times, people like to > blow things out of proportion to the extent of insult. This has yielded us > nothing but more division and giving more victory to the common enemy. I am > openly saying that we must all change in attitude, from those that are too > blinded to join ranks with Jammeh, to those that enjoy saying they never > worked with Jammeh, to extent mount aggression on those constantly being > termed here turncoats. The argument is weak to even label people as > “lacking principle/standards” because of a person’s opinion that we must > seek to unite than divide. It is not only unhealthy, it shows scary > tendencies. Some of these misnomers are so unfitting and to our > disadvantage, the victor is only Jammeh. A liberator cannot be a bully. > > In any way, the Gambia belongs to all of us. We all must decide what > Gambia we want for our children and grandchildren. If we continue on some > of the paths that I observed, I am truly afraid; we will be behind for a > while. For any that beats the chest in boastfulness is not the one, and the > one that divides is equally not the one. > > > > Best regards & thanks for any expansion in advance. Your humbleness and > ability to remain civil and calm at all times is admirable. For that, I say > you are winning...and keep it even sharper! > > Yero. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [>-<] FW: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:36:07 -0500 > > Fyi > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:31:08 -0500 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson > To: [log in to unmask] > > LJD, be rest assured of our highest regards despite our differences in > opinion. I will attempt to stretch this a little further for you early > tomorrow inshallah. Thanks as always for being constantly civil in all your > debates. Best, Yero. > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 00:23:05 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson > To: [log in to unmask] > > YJ > > Haruna deliberately misquoted George W > > In terms of conduct in the international arena, only Jimmy Carter was > better than him. As the preeminent imperial power since 1945, US foreign > policy is tragic through and through. On the subject of foreign policy, W's > rascalism was at par with that of Obama, Clinton, Bush Snr, Reagan, and > stretching back to Eisenhower. As far as appointments, he was better than > Obama and all the Democratic presidents since the structures of segregation > began seriously crumbling in the Kennedy/Johnson era. He was the first > President to allocate State, and National Security, to Black appointees. > The Bushisms and American foreign policy misadventures notwithstanding, I > always have a soft spot for George W. As far as foreign policy, I think > even naturalized Americans like you are no different from your presidents. > You equate war with your Hollywood movies, a tragic mindset by any account. > Nevertheless, I am an Americophile, someone deeply in love with the land of > freedom and endless marvels. > > On Nana Grey-Johnson, I was somewhat baffled by your apparent stance. If > I didn't know you better, I'd say your sympathy may be running thin for the > "turncoats". I know that's not you, but I am unwilling to separate the Waa > Juwaras and Grey-Johnsons from the historical cases, the class spanning the > period 2000-2010. Why do you appear to separate them? > > Demba's heart is in the right place and he is a dependable partner in > the struggle against tyranny in The Gambia. He is not an apologist at all. > Our differences over the "turncoats" are more philosophical, and I can't > see my condemnation of blatant opportunism by those who ought to know > better, and did know better, changing anytime soon. > > > LJDarbo > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Yero Jallow <[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Sent:* Sunday, 28 April 2013, 21:11 > *Subject:* Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson > > Mawdo Demba, > > Great Points. I equally share and respect all of your takes. That make > these forums lively. Your take certainly doesn't make you an apologist. > Your records during the course of Gambia's struggle speaks for itself. You > have agreed to be in the line of fire at the expense of everything. > > That aside, I think there are some lessons to learn from. From some of > your points that I gathered, the most terrible dictators were crumbled from > within, some reasonable even have to join to partially redirect certain > things. That hasn't been the case at all in Gambia, and If LJD will permit > me borrow his line, "A snow ball has more chance in hell." > > The whole thing comes back to Haruna's line " Like President W said: You > fool me once, you fool me twice, why you, you,..I mean, can't fool again. > what? oh fool me once, can't fool me again." > > Have a great weekend... > > Best, > Yero > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:06:36 -0700 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson > To: [log in to unmask] > > LJD, > > I am in agreement with all of you in principle and am definitely not > embracing Grey Johnson taking a position with Jammeh. By now anyone who > slightly bothers to know my stand will not associate me with being an > apologist for those associated with Jammeh... I guess there is a side of me > that continue to wish and yearn that citizens will stand up to Jammeh and > point their fingers right in between his eyes and say not this time.. Is > avoiding him and taking a leave as we all did the best way to fight and get > rid of him, hmmm... I doubt it.. I think the more we choose to fight from a > distant the more he can consolidate power and be more emboldened... > > Dictators have historically survived because they alienate and send away > anything that resembles a challenge... Well, I guess my dream of people who > we once looked at as respectful standing up against Jammeh will never come > true... My inspiration or dream if you may comes from the concept of the > "nation school" where citizens' contributions can be separated from > dictator's desire to be the nation and the state....This optimism in me > never seems to go away! > > Thanks always for the rejoinders > > Demba > > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Baba Galleh Jallow <[log in to unmask] > > wrote: > > Indeed Lamin. Brother Grey Johnson will survive as long as he happily > licks Jammeh's boots and agrees to be a robot. The moment he seems to be > too much in the public eye or takes a single half-decision without a nod > from above, he is gone. The threat of perpetual money worries could well be > troubling and painful. But it is no excuse to sell one's soul to the devil; > which is what anyone does who decides to court and accept a position from > Baboon Mansa. It is not much of a danger to predict that like many before > him, Mr. Grey Johnson will not long survive in his new post. Making such a > prediction is not wishing him ill; it is merely a statement of fact or at > the very least, very high probability based on empirical evidence. And yes, > when he is eventually booted out, it would be impossible for him to reclaim > the dignity he enjoyed among his peers before he joined the dictatorship. I > like your metaphor of a snowball and its chances in hell. > > Baba > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:27:53 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Well Mboge, we are not speculating here. As if Professor Jammeh was > reading us on the "L" and "the Post" on the Trojan question around the > "turncoats", he clearly stated that no one comes to his Cabinet to "manage" > him. He specifically made this pointless statement during the EU 17-point > crisis. I termed it "pointless" because I am in no doubt he stated the > dominant reality in his political territory and any suggestion to the > contrary is just plain fantasy. I won't buy any Trojan product even if > priced at just a butut in that as long as it relates to the Professor's > Cabinet terrain, it has to be fake. Like all the other "turncoats", Nana > Grey-Johnson is there for Nana Grey-Johnson and he cannot improve the > plight of the private media in The Gambia. I don't know about you, but I > won't live in crocodile infested waters if that habitat is totally alien to > my nature, i.e., if I do not have some crocodile characteristics myself. > Anyone who joined the Professor's Cabinet after April 2000 must have closed > his eyes to extremely blatant realities. > > Below I illustrate! > > In late October 1998, Baba Jobe (may the God of infinite mercy forgive > him) called me at Banjul Magistrates Court on an administrative matter > touching MansaKonko Magistrates Court. I was newly appointed Magistrate but > retained my immediate past position as Senior Assistant Secretary in the > Judiciary until a substantive replacement could be found. I was therefore > the point-person for all non-critical administrative matters affecting the > Judiciary. During the 15-20 minutes conversation, Baba informed me that > anyone not supportive of President Jammeh cannot be in good terms with him. > I don't know where this was coming from as I did not make any difficult > decisions as of this time. Baba was at the height of his influence and he > probably saw an opportunity to intimidate a new Magistrate. > > Fast forward to 2004 when Baba was on trial for alleged economic crimes. > Sensing the direction of the trial, Baba's lawyer filed a motion before the > trial Court to say he was not confident of getting a fair trial and > outcome. The absence of a fair trial was never a worry for Baba before > 2004, but he must have known a thing or two about politically persecutions > and closed his eyes to the tragedy inherent in that great travesty. > > When did Baba know about unfair trials in politically motivated cases? > In 2004, or well before the tragedy of his unlawful conviction and > sentence, a conviction and sentence that was to ultimately end in his > untimely death? I am not in the business of creating any excuses for the > deliberately blind and deaf intellectuals situated like Nana Grey-Johnson. > They can't even slightly shake the Professor's system and I am always > amused to hear this utter fantasy thrown around. > > > LJDarbo > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Sent:* Saturday, 27 April 2013, 9:36 > *Subject:* Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson > > ' ...but Nana Grey-Johnson has his faculties intact. No one understands > the Professor's political terrain better than those who accept his > ministerial appointments. Be "fired" and live in "dignity"? A snowball has > more chance in hell!' > > LJD > > --------------- > > LJD, > > Thanks for the usual clarity. Indeed Grey-Johnson has his faculties > fully intact. The day this 'opportunist' accepted to work for a known > killer of children was the day he forfeited his integrity and dignity. > There is no dignity in working for a killer and murderer. Jammeh is an > unrepentant murderer and working for his government at the level these > 'enablers' do is simply criminal. They will never be allowed to hogwash us > with their convoluted reasons for joining the devil. We will InSaaAllah be > around to remind them and their apologists of their opportunism and > hyprocrisy. > > Best, > Mboge > > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > > Ah Demba, I love your optimism but Nana Grey-Johnson has his faculties > intact. No one understands the Professor's political terrain better than > those who accept his ministerial appointments. Be "fired" and live in > "dignity"? A snowball has more chance in hell! > > > LJDarbo > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Sent:* Saturday, 27 April 2013, 1:30 > *Subject:* Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson > > Mawdo Yero, > > I feel you and have equal concerns. But I have a different perspective > or should I say dream on this... I think if Minister Johnson is able to > detach himself from the politics of the day and make efforts to work with > the private media, he may not be successful but his efforts will be > recorded in history as one of our own who care about the media. He may not > last long, but again that would have proven that were he to have the right > political landscape he would indeed success in building bridges where > needed. > > Off course we know the bar is low in his success, but we also must > recognize in the most difficult of circumstances, the most challenging and > oppressing political environment, citizens can still try to work hard and > independently to achieve something. So while Mr. Johnson may not last long > on his role, if I were him (not in million years) I would work > independently and let me be fired and live my dignity and respect. So I > believe Mr. Johnson can build an independent relationship with the media > and they will admire his efforts successful or not... > > Thanks always mawdo for raising concerns. > > Thanks > > Demba > > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Yero Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Like the adage goes, "mining mining, tafal tafal, ah labang dula, > tohnya." There seems to be a new Joshua in town. He is speaking like his > predecessors. I personally doubt it is possible to be with Jammeh and be > with the media fraternity at the same time. Let us see it.....I bet you, if > you (Nana) make any comments about investingating the deaths of Chief > Ebrima Manneh and Deyda Hydara; opening the closed radios and newspapers; > and the many other problems of the media including the draconium > stipulation that claimed Deyda's life, you will soon make Jammeh lose > patience on you and put you in the right place like he did to your > predecessors. > > What I think you (Nana) are doing is to coax (fool) the media houses by > pretending that you are with them and stationing your self more on this > ministry post. Please forgive my sturborness and spare me from the niceties > like they say. For a long time, I have stopped being a fan of > toad-politicians who change in stages overnight. These toad-politicians > speak like angels during day, and at night, they are were-wolves dining > with the devil and picking crumbs like the house dog. With all that this > regime has done to citizens and continues to do which is clearly in the > open, any of your ilks that joins this rotten administration in the name of > changing the status quo is digging his own grave. Others more influential > couldn't do this. What makes you think you can do it? > > Best, > Yero > > [*‘I belong to you, I am one of you, I have not changed sides, I have not > abandoned the fraternity. What I have done is I have extended the scope of > the fraternity, and if you understand what that means and what advantages > there are for you as an industry, I think we will begin to capture the > essence of how we can mutually achieve our purposes,’ he said.] --(The > Point Newspaper, 04/26/2013)* > > > > http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/i-have-not-changed-sides-new-information-minister-tells-journalists > > I have not changed sides, new Information Minister tells journalists > <http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/i-have-not-changed-sides-new-information-minister-tells-journalists#map> > africa <http://thepoint.gm/africa/news> » gambia<http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/news> > Friday, April 26, 2013 > The new minister of Information and Communication Infrastructure has > told journalists that he has not in any way changed sides or abandoned the > media fraternity, stressing that what he has done is to extend the scope of > the fraternity. > Nana Grey-Johnson was speaking yesterday during a press briefing at GRTS > building in Kanifing at the end of a familiarization tour of institutions > under his ministry. > *‘I belong to you, I am one of you, I have not changed sides, I have not > abandoned the fraternity. What I have done is I have extended the scope of > the fraternity, and if you understand what that means and what advantages > there are for you as an industry, I think we will begin to capture the > essence of how we can mutually achieve our purposes,’ he said.* > A veteran journalist himself, Nana Grey-Johnson, whose tour took him to > institutions like Gamtel/Gamcel, GRTS, GPPC and the Department of > Information Services, said it is amazing to see what power lies in these > institutions to take us where we have to go. > ‘The Gambia having outlined its objectives on several levels, we need to > now find out, since we have spokespersons out there in the form of the > media, how are they going to engage with government so that we take the > objectives forward,’ he stated. > He told journalists that it goes without saying that the outlook of > government is national; obviously information must reach as many people as > possible, and information will only reach these people through the systems > that we are. > On his reaction to what he saw during the tour, the Minister said he saw > hope, power, potential all of which are not being tapped. > ‘That is a general description of what I saw,’ he said. > On what immediate plans he has to ensure a nationwide coverage by GRTS, > the Minister said broadcasts going on air are going on air at great costs. > ‘There are resource issues to talk about, there are human resources issues > to cover, the plans are there and they fall within a major strategic plan,’ > he added. > According to him, he came on board and is talking about the repositioning > of his Ministry, and has considered with his technicians the issues of > “making sure that we have concrete short term, medium and long term use of > what we are doing” between now and 2018/2020. > ‘It is our major concern that somebody will call GRTS and say I am here, I > am a citizen, I lived in a particular place and I know nothing that is > going on through GRTS broadcasts. > ‘Certainly, GRTS radio is one of my priorities, and the reason I’m saying > this is that the studios I visited yesterday, I used to broadcast from > them,’ he said. > He noted that what has pushed him to dream about his ministry being a self > financing ministry is because he is talking about Gamtel/Gamcel, GPPC, an > organization that has been able to turn itself from the black in a matter > of a year or a year and half, turn its accounts from red to black simply > because of proper accounting, good personnel on the ground, responsible > overseership, board members paying attention to the fact that they are a > corporation and have a culture of behavior. > On whether there are plans to visit media houses, Nana Grey-Johnson > responded: ‘Yes, why not because if we are people who are giving > information, then we should be informed ourselves. I will find some time to > be able to talk to the media houses, to see how they are running, see what > their problems are; because it is only then that we will be able to address > issues from an informed point of view, so that we know exactly how to treat > each other.’ > ‘We are interested in each other; we need to know what the other person is > doing or thinking, so that we can formulate the national agenda, which is > bigger than Nana Grey-Johnson, and it has to be so that I know exactly > where I fit in within my contributions. > *‘I am going to bring the media houses in so that we see a common future, > a national future rather than a fragmented, agenda-filled environment which > is not conducive to anything developmental,’ he stated.* > Author: *Njie Baldeh* > Source: *Picture: Nana Grey-Johnson* > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface at: 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