Suntou, The SOAS library is a gem and a minefield of resource. I enjoyed 3 very good years at that school. Although I wish I'd worked harder and spent less time at the Junior Common Room (JCR) with extra-currilar activities. I have fun memories of SOAS and happen to have met my present wife (then a fellow undergraduate student of history) their nearly14 yrs ago. Keep up the good work bro! Best regards, Mboge On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:08 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Mboge, you mush have enjoyed University of London.. I like the library and > the resources available there. There collection on African heritage is > immense. Also, after reading the accounts of Walter Rodney, the > complex became fascinating. Thanks > Suntou > > > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> Suntou, >> >> Interesting response. Much appreciated. >> >> Keep it up! >> >> Thanks, >> Mboge >> >> >> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:25 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Mboge >>> I go through the written sources to get both perspective. The western >>> writer, or those influenced by the western understanding, express our >>> histories differently. Whilst the Oral is passonate and identifiable but >>> difficult to place in a time span. In between the two narrative, some fact >>> emmerge. However, when it comes to religion adventurers, the Western >>> writers are very hostile and often repeat concept their counterparts will >>> use in other native lands, 'India, Middle East or Africa'. We have to >>> understand them coming from a religious experience, and anything else tend >>> to be dismissed and regarded hathen. >>> The Missionary according to Oral sources were blend in among the >>> administrators...this is why, the early settlers of Dakar, will explain >>> that, when the Westerners started to frequent the settlement, those who >>> don't want to have any dealing with them, relocated. This was recognisiable >>> amongs all the ethnic groups then. The Mandingo settlers, according them >>> refered to Dakar then as (Dakaa) a retreat in Mandingka pallance..or >>> secluded place to meditate. Some went to present day Mbur. >>> The Missionaries did learn the local languages and customs. But this was >>> to use it in converting them to Christianity, which didn't work among the >>> Wollof, Mandingka, Serre and Fula initially. Some Oral narratives explain >>> that, those who adopted the Western faith and dealt with them, were folks >>> of the lower and servant class. However, this servant later became local >>> adminsitrators, interpreters and eventually important elites. This things >>> can be found in Missionary records. Also minor quabbles and quarells, >>> dispute etc, with time spans makes the western records attractive. >>> On the aspects of using animist, i guess it is the convenient common >>> phrase. Because the traditional believes will be difficult to give a name >>> to. Amongst the Kaabunka non-Muslims, they will refer to themselves as >>> 'Jalang batula' Jalang comes from 'Jan Lan Fe' avoid this place. Hence, >>> those who worship spirits..The aspect of mercenary tag is linked to the >>> individuals who travel from different regions to join bands of followers >>> who may not necessary believe the missions of the Foday Kabba and Amadou >>> Taals, but are encourage by the gains. >>> Thanks >>> Suntou >>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>> >>>> Suntou, >>>> >>>> Very interesting work you are involved in. I would like to ask how >>>> do you read these resources you encounter during your research at SOAS, my >>>> former school,? How do you rate these resources against the traditional >>>> 'oral' sources we depend on in our Senegambia region? Do you think these >>>> sources are more reliable because they were written or not? To what extent >>>> do you think these sources are real reflection of the reality of the >>>> time or were they recorded for reasons other than objectivity by the >>>> missionaries or colonial administrators? >>>> >>>> I agree with your contention that the careers of Foday Kabbah, Sheikh >>>> Omar Taal, Maba Jahou and many others were more complex than generally >>>> acknowledged? Indeed a critical perspective must be taken in reviewing our >>>> history and collective memory. I am a bit concerned with your mercenary or >>>> animist tags, perhaps you may want to elaborate. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mboge >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:20 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bro Kejau, >>>>> The world is not as black and white as we would like it to be. Hence, >>>>> the folks banded around as Jihadist and the folks after their tails are as >>>>> complex a scenario as it was during the colonial days and the scrambles for >>>>> Africa, Middle East and North America. People or groups use tags that will >>>>> disguise their real motives. You as a retired military man understands >>>>> that better. >>>>> Every now and then, some group will be on global TV networks, claiming >>>>> to be fighting for this or that, and they will pass on after the publicity >>>>> dies down. And then a new group will be on the media. the circle continues. >>>>> The powers that be kept on wheeling this folks infront of our eyes. Hence, >>>>> the complexities of global politics and the accomplices in the structures >>>>> networks. This is why, it is hard to get involve. Organised government >>>>> powers is always going after rag tags and rag tags going after organised >>>>> government interest, the circle continues. >>>>> Experts are involve, the media, analyst, University departments, >>>>> military and intelligence networks etc etc. >>>>> In the old days, we had animist who carry on what they inherited and >>>>> those who adopted new religious dimensions (Islam and to a lesser extend >>>>> for us Christianity). In my recent research at the University of London, >>>>> African studeies department, I came across a Bible (The St John) Gospel >>>>> printed in 1901, all in Mandinka, yes Mandinka. According to the >>>>> introductions, Mandingkas are the most difficult tribe for the Christians >>>>> to convert to the word of Jesus. >>>>> So the career of Foday Kabba and Amadou Taal, Maa Bah is not a simple >>>>> direct analysis. My own paternal great gran father was among Maa Bah's >>>>> advisers (Murad Touray was from Karjour then and the likes of Kumbo Gaye) >>>>> were key in the adviser circle of Maa Bah. Hence, the travells of Foday >>>>> Kabba, Maa Bah, Amadou Taal from our oral tradition is stackly different >>>>> from the colonial officers account. Remember the colonial officers were in >>>>> foriegn alien territory, claiming to be looking after our interest. Any >>>>> way, we will discuss later. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Suntou >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:38 AM, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Suntou, >>>>>> That's the same problem with the modern so called jihadists. I look >>>>>> forward to listening and learning more about our military history. As we >>>>>> cannot forget the the influences these so called warriors have on the >>>>>> demographic of our region. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kejau >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Samsung Mobile >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> Date: >>>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Jali Bamba Suso Kaabou Narrative is on kibaaro >>>>>> today >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kejau, Foday Kabba's career is complex. The misunderstood >>>>>> narrative is that of Jihadist, but if we contextualise the nature and >>>>>> activities of Foday Kabba, Omar Taal, we will recognised that, their main >>>>>> aim was not religious. >>>>>> Suntou >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Suntou, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mercenary career! I would not consider Foday Kabba a mercenary, a >>>>>>> jihadist, yes, but not a soldier of fortune.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kejau >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:31:52 +0100 >>>>>>> From: [log in to unmask] >>>>>>> Subject: [G_L] The Jali Bamba Suso Kaabou Narrative is on kibaaro >>>>>>> today >>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.kibaaro.com Natariko every Tuesday. >>>>>>> We aimed to air the Bamba Suso narration of Foday Kabba Dumbuya >>>>>>> history today. However, we brought in some people to provide their opinion >>>>>>> of the life and career of Foday Kabba. That took over one hour. We may >>>>>>> complete the program late today, if not you will catch the mercenary career >>>>>>> of Foday Kabba and the opinions of our experts next week. We will be >>>>>>> analysing the historical past time permitting. Today, Jali Bamba Suso's >>>>>>> 1969 recordings for the SOAS University of London is on. My gratitude to >>>>>>> all who phone, emailed, facebook message and text. 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