Consensus before meeting face to face... agreement before dialogue... something doesn't add up on these statements... the fact remains that we need everybody at the table... it is then and only then that we can strike a compromise and pave a way forward. It doesn't matter if it starts in Senegal, Gambia, Raleigh or Atlanta... Genuinely people should answer to calls of unity anytime anywhere in the best interest of our nation... anything less is simply a side tracker... The feet dragging is unbelievable from people who are supposed to be better... I wonder if PDOIS was built around consensus or compromise... just asking? Demba On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hold that thought you just shared with brother Sariang Yero. > > Would you then agree that consensus-building is best done face-to-face or > not? Remember I'm not asking you what Halifa thinks. I'm asking you what > Yero thinks. > > Haruna. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> > To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 4:09 pm > Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS explains its Absence in Raleigh??????????????? > > Koto Sariang: > > Thanks for sharing about the Saudi experience. > > I am glad you found value in your discussions with PDOIS' rising star, > Nyang. Online debates without knowing who you are debating can be quite > funny sometimes. That is clearly one disadvantage of the cyber. People > really don't have a clue on who others are and I clearly see that it gets > overwhelming and there is a greater tendency for any to be carried away > with the littlest misunderstanding of what someone is trying to say. I have > no doubt that Nyang would just adore and celebrate your person not only as > a caring brother but one very principled including all the military > service. > > I think once Jammeh is ousted, the Gambia will be a very nice place. Right > now, we are equipped with a lot of things. We are leaning towards a > democratic Gambia sometime in the near future...the only obstacle is > Jammeh. > > Maintain bro and keep engaging.....we will all get there together. > > Best always, > Yero. > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 08:44:21 -0700 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS explains its Absence in Raleigh??????????????? > To: [log in to unmask] > > Yero > Honestly I am very happy that those exchanges took place. Further it looks > like we are making headway,unraveling what was an implicit explanation in > the first place. I am patiently waiting for Nyang's anchored principle > analysis of inward moral sense of what is right and what is wrong, more > importantly the drive towards meaning and contribution. Which is the > guiding force to vision,discipline and passion. It stands in stark contrast > to life dominated by ego. The three attributes stated above have ruled the > world from its beginning. They represent leadership that works. > > BTW Cherno or Yero I was in Saudi Arabia for couple of weeks,just came > back days ago, if you talk to your cohort Pa Nderry our sisters in Jeddah > and Riyadh loved his radio program which they passionately talk about > during gatherings seriously! They liked his laugh, they liked to imitate > how he talks,I quote "This is your presenter Pa Nderry Mbai Freedom radio" > Fair and balance! They are especially "Ecstatic" when he says"Ali Kalaji" > not sure what that really means?The collective consensus was he has a > future in Comedy Central. All the best. > Wa Salam > Sariang > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 25, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Nice reviews Haruna. > > Yes, certainly among the many points you scored, our good political > educator in the person of Halifa needs to understand that time has changed, > so is today's politics. I will take your nephew Nyang....he looks way too > fresh and despite the fact that he came hard at my brother Sariang which I > will have to address with him, I am still willing to give him a chance. > (LOL). Nyang might be able to come and attend meetings. He came to > Washington DC 2 years ago and presented a nice paper during the GPU > symposium. > > Just let me know what you think of this one Haruna? > > I will have to take politics 101.... > > Thanks for the reviews...keep them coming. Very educative!! > > Best, > Yero. > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 10:08:20 -0400 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS explains its Absence in Raleigh??????????????? > To: [log in to unmask] > > ile you're sticking your neck out as you put it Yero, Let me share some > air with you. > > The lay of the land: > > The opposition parties and supporters based in Gambia have their friends, > family members, distant cousins, etcetera who have traveled abroad. Those > are the people we call the diaspora. In effect, the diaspora and the > resident Gambian belong to the same family called Gambians. Yahya is a > problem for both resident Gambians and diaspora Gambians. This is no > surprise because if Yahya wants to run roughshod over resident Gambians his > task will be encumbered by diaspora unless he runs roughshod over them too. > This is the anatomy of dictatorship and tyranny. > > Much of the support for the resident Gambian, and the international > pressure, alienation, counsel, and disdain that Yahya is under, COMES FROM > DIASPORA, the other half of RESIDENT. It is in Yahya's interest that the > two are divided both in psychology and morphology. > > When the opposition parties thought they were united back home, they still > felt they had to come to DIASPORA to cement that union. Why? because even > that mirage of opposition union back home, the DIASPORA necessarily was > intimately involved. I called my cousin, my brother, my sister, and > counseled them to meet your cousin, brother, and sister halfway in order to > facilitate that mirage of a union. They are the ones behind Halifa, > Ousainou, Hamat, OJ, Mai, Hassan Musa, Sidia, Sam, and indeed behind those > who Yahya employs in government and in APRC. DIASPORA and RESIDENT will be > compartmentalized at our collective loss. I think you're beginning to see > the light. No need for me to continue on the logic. I only made this effort > because unlike Kejau, you do not have a past to cleanse. for nil. > > Now then. The other side of this coin is this: > > If either the RESIDENT opposition (the other half of the DIaspora) OR the > non-resident opposition (the other half of the diaspora) are "united" > separately, then by extrapolation, the other is "united". There will be no > further reason to travel to Reykayvic for consensus-building. I think you > get my drift. Because the two are twin heads of the same snake, any "unity" > or consensus-building must be collaborative. If you section yourselves off > for Yahya to pick, you will have strengthened his hand and set yourselves > back. One step "forward", 5 steps BACK. > > I encourage you to consider what Halifa calls "tactical", > "Consensus-building", or "A united Front". The man am afraid has a warped > view of politicking. The world changes by the second. It does not wait for > Gambia RESIDENT or DIASPORA to compartmentalize their consensuses. I want > you to think about this carefully. It is loaded and I did not share the > entire thesis for respect for your time. > > I appreciate your desire for consistency. For consistency's sakes. > > Thank you. > Haruna. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> > To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 5:58 am > Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS explains its Absence in Raleigh??????????????? > > I am actually adopting what Lawyer Darboe said during an interview on > Freedom radio. He said, he respects Halifa and those that couldn't attend. > With him (Darboe), after consulting his party mates, they agreed on > attending, so he was able to make it. I too respects Halifa's decision not > to attend. He cannot be an island, clearly. Like any of us, Halifa only > have one voice and one vote. His absence shouldn't be debated as he spoiled > something. > > I am however reserved on Halifa's point that the opposition should have > united home before coming to another rally outside or that the Diaspora > needs to unite before they can meet others. The very reason for such a > meeting was to combine thoughts. Of course there are many questions that we > all have...some will remain unanswered because of the nature of our > struggle. we have too many hurdles and problems especially dealing with > someone like jammeh. Others like Uncle Ablie (Aib) flew from London. To my > understanding, these are people who believe in the PDOIS ideas. Corrections > are welcome. > > Personally, I would have attended. I had some outside guests in town and > plans to attend only the first day of the confernce failed as last minutes > air tickets were close to $600.00. I admire the substance delivered. The > bigger question now: Who will belt the cat? > > Instead of making too much noise about this to the extend of seeing others > throwing insults, it should be debated maturely. I will caution those that > are about to see this debate to the gutters exercise some restraint and > maturity. > > My neck sticking out again...my two cents. > > The middle way for Yero. > > Yero > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 11:33:55 +0200 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS explains its Absence in Raleigh??????????????? > To: [log in to unmask] > > Hi All, > > PDOIS seem to have a genuine reason to not attend the meeting as per > their letter to the organizers. Their point seem to be that the organizers > should take heed from the recently concluded successful London conference > where no political party was invited as that may expose and deepen the > divide rather than help bring the opposition together as intended. The > conference should have aimed to unite the diaspora and when all the > disparate groups in the diaspora unite, then we can invite the opposition > to join us, among other things. > Thanks. > Kejau > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> > Date: > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS explains its Absence in Raleigh??????????????? > > > Lamin and others, i will respond to your questions Saturday or Sunday. > > *From:* Sariang Marong <[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 7:56 PM > *Subject:* Re: [G_L] PDOIS explains its Absence in Raleigh??????????????? > > Demba > Thank you for keeping us abreast. You guys are doing a superb job. Again > thank you. > Wa Salam > Sariang > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > The PDOIS received a letter from the organizers of the Raleigh > Conference inviting the Secretary General of PDOIS to a Conference to be > held in Raleigh North Carolina from the 18thto 20th May aimed at > deliberating on strategies and tactics on how to effect peaceful change in > the Gambia . > The Central Committee of PDOIS met to review the invitation and came to > the conclusion that two preliminary steps are necessary before such a > meeting could take place in a manner that would yield the desired results > of a national consensus on strategies and tactics for peaceful political > change. First and foremost, the opposition at home had to arrive at a > consensus on the way forward at the meeting or convey the wrong impression > that they are so divided that they could not forge a United Front for > Democratic change. Secondly, the Diaspora also had to meet and develop a > consensus on the way forward failing which opinions could be so divided at > the meeting that theway forwardcould become illusive. Read more @ > http://gainako.com/?p=841 > Consensus VS. 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