Rene, how about your belligerent insistence on a consensus entirely built on the back of Halifa's personal conviction and wishful ideology against all practices and norms known on planet earth?? With that attitude of yours, not only will there be no coalition; we won't even be able to have a decent and constructive dialogue to engender compromise.
Pdois is literally asking for a coalition that is based on the totality of Halifa's will rather than a compromise solution. There is no doubt that most people find that to be not only silly but also utterly repugnant.
I get your point about PDOIS's notion of democracy which is alien to the real world of democracy anyway. So I am not surprised that you will dismiss any coalition idea that is premised on conventional or standard practices of coalition politics. In the real world of democracy, the legitimacy to lead is always derived from the majority and that majority in our case is with the UDP. This is an incontrovertible fact.
PDOIS's 'democracy of circumventing the rules' to satisfy Halifa narcissism is not acceptable to the vast majority of the people who supports the opposition and I certainly will never give any comfort to the kind of nonsense you espoused in it.
The PDOIS party is a collection of indignant clowns and I think you and your waifs should be left alone in your loners' closet.
Thanks
Daffeh
On Sunday, 26 May 2013, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Daffeh,
> I am quite certain that with your attitude and your belligerent posture towards what you deemed as conventional wisdom or standard practices of coalition building, there will never be a coalition now or in the near future. We are at it again, history repeating itself. It seems that you are not learning from your past experiences. It did not work before and it is not going to work now.
>
> You are right that Halifa does not mean consensus build around your "conventional wisdom" or "standard practices" of coalition politics, but if you would have objectively interrogate the premise upon which his consensus is built, without injecting your subjective inclinations in its overall outcome, you would have understood that no matter how coded the language is, grasping its essence and its material import is not really beyond our understanding. You are one who is making something simple to be very complicated.
>
> Whilst you are interested in the continuation of the system with your "conventional wisdom" and "standard practices'", PDOIS is interested in a democratic process that will build the democratic and institutional framework that underpins the civic, political, economic, social and cultural life of the people. We want to rebuild a society. You want to perpetuate the status quo. This is the difference.
>
> We are all eyes and ears waiting for you to move the rest in unity and a sense of purpose defined by clear objectives.
>
> Rene
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>
> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 4:01 pm
> Subject: [G_L] PDOIS explains its Absence in Raleigh???????????????
>
> When Halifa said 'consensus', he does not mean consensus build around the conventional wisdom or standard practices of coalition politics but a consensus built entirely behind his own personal conviction. The language is a coded one and ofcourse above the pay grade of his disciples and defenders here. So am not surprise that they don't even know what they are talking about when they tried to defend Halifa's capricious and contemptuous absence at the Raleigh Conference here.
>
> I also noticed that PDOIS's statement was actually fishing for reasons to justify Halifa's absence in the Raleigh Conference as this talk about exposing or deepening the divide was not mentioned in their letter to the organisers but built on Freedom Newspaper's ignoble, distorted and embellished report on the exchange between the UDP leader and Hamat Bah of NRP. PDOIS simply just moved the goal post to suit their desired narrative rather than what they foresaw before the conference.
>
> I think it is about time these people are left alone in their indignant closet and let the rest of us move on in unity and a sense of purpose defined by clear objectives. Fringe parties tend to collect waifs and strays alone the way and that means we can't avoid having certain people coming here to basically try to make things fly across the face of commonsense in defence of PDOIS.
>
> Thanks
> Daffeh
>
> On Saturday, 25 May 2013, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > "At this point there are so many divergent interest; and
> > notwithstanding the fact that people want a restoration of democracy,
> > the motivation f'or the different interest persuasions are real and
> > people who share the same interest persuasions will solicit with others
> > and solidify their positions in any conflict situation."
> >
> > This is exactly what I feared. There is a conflict situation right in front of our eyes. And there is no glossing over the truth that we all have divergent interest, an interest that is motivated by self, by greed, by creed, by belief, by ideology, by ethnicity and other persuasions. This is our reality. There is nothing wrong with having divergent interests and all these interest motivations, but at this crucial period in which we are trying to find a democratic response to our political challenges, the rearing of the ugly head of these divergent interest can derail, trivialize, marginalize and stop dead in its tracks any effort to bring about a meaningful change.
> >
> > I can understand the logic in PDOIS's argument, and it is not as complicated as others would want to make it. Its conceptual basis derives from a fundamental argument that there should be a consensus among the opposition political parties, and this consensus should form the basis to create a platform that will bring all the opposition political parties under one umbrella. This consensus building cannot be imposed; it should be arrived at by the opposition political parties through the nudging, influence and support of the Diaspora Gambians. And it should start in the Gambia.
> >
> > At the moment there is a consensus among the opposition political parties in the form of the G6. But the agreements of the G6 and their points of reference is quite different. Even then there has been cracks in their unity of purpose, and not all of them agreed to non-participation in the national and local government elections. So there needs to be a lot of work done with this opposition grouping, and they should also be in a position to elevate the discussion and move the agenda to a broader question of a unified political group to contest elections, and to choose one person as the leader of the opposition-unity in the Gambia.
> >
> > Can the UDP, NRP, P.P.P., GMC, PDOIS and other opposition parties come to a consensus to build a unified political front under one entity to contest the 2016 elections, and can they choose one among them or someone outside their political parties to lead this project? This is the question.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Haruna <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 9:42 am
> > Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS explains its Absence in Raleigh???????????????
> >
> > So unite the partisan diaspora first, then seek to unite the partisan residents!! Very funny. And life will wait for you as you complete uniting the diaspora to move to the resident partisans. Allahuwakubaru!!! Kejau has spoken.
> >
> > Haruna.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kejau <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 5:34 am
> > Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS explains its Absence in Raleigh???????????????
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> > PDOIS seem to have a genuine reason to not attend the meeting as per their letter to the organizers. Their point seem to be that the organizers should take heed from the recently concluded successful London conference where no political party was invited as that may expose and deepen the divide rather than help bring the opposition together as intended. The conference should have aimed to unite the diaspora and when all the disparate groups in the diaspora unite, then we can invite the opposition to join us, among other things.
> > Thanks.
> > Kejau
> >
> >
> > Sent from Samsung Mobile
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date:
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS explains its Absence in Raleigh???????????????
> >
> >
> > Lamin and others, i will respond to your questions Saturday or Sunday.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Sariang Marong <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 7:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS explains its Absence in Raleigh???????????????
> >
> >
> > Demba
> > Thank you for keeping us abreast. You guys are doing a superb job. Again thank you.
> > Wa Salam
> > Sariang
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On May 24, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The PDOIS received a letter from the organizers of the Raleigh Conference inviting the Secretary General of PDOIS to a Conference to be held in Raleigh North Carolina from the 18thto 20th May aimed at deliberating on strategies and tactics on how to effect peaceful change in the Gambia .
> > The Central Committee of PDOIS met to review the invitation and came to the conclusion that two preliminary steps are necessary before such a meeting could take place in a manner that would yield the desired results of a national consensus on strategies and tactics for peaceful political change. First and foremost, the opposition at home had to arrive at a consensus on the way forward at the meeting or convey the wrong impression that they are so divided that they could not forge a United Front for Democratic change. Secondly, the Diaspora also had to meet and develop a consensus on the way forward failing which opinions could be so divided at the meeting that theway forwardcould become illusive. Read more @http://gainako.com/?p=841
> > Consensus VS. Compromise.... take it away!!! folks
> >
> > Demba
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