Suntou..

Events in Egypt is getting very tense and i wish we can all concentrate on
that and pray for a peaceful transition...

Tell your mbading to stop making a fool of himself..I assume he lives here
in Oslo and we might catch up in future on the streets to finish our
exchanges peacefully if necessary...So for the moment i will rather stick
with the issues that concern us all...

Cheers...


On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:01 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Niamorkono
> I think you have put forward vital explanations. We cannot all see things
> the same. Your thoughts are echoed in some angles, whilst that of Kejau is
> likewise. Hence, it is ok to move on...Aljazeera who is even targeted in
> Egypt has different expert angles on the issue...I will urge you and
> Mbading to just move on and bring us your interesting articles and
> opinions. We will disagree here and sometimes trampled on each other, but
> that is ok. Thanks
> Suntou
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Fye Samateh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>  Kejau..
>> Am not sure what u mean about civilize...Please be specific....This is an
>> open forum for debates that makes sense and i have been doing that for
>> years now..Of course you can disagree with me but not the rage and
>> stupidity you performed on matters you know less..So again you must be an
>> idiot to dismiss my opinion on events in Egypt...Who the HELL are you
>> really ? Please go ahead and enjoy your life...
>>
>> Niamorkono...
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>>  Fye,
>>>
>>> Do not worry, I only communicate with civilize people who write about
>>> issues and not trading insults, so you wont see me reply to you ever again.
>>> If your opinion sucks and people point that out to you, the civilize thing
>>> to do is explain why you blatantly miss the obvious and not start invective
>>> like you did.  It only shows who you really are!
>>>
>>> Kejau
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:48:07 +0200
>>>
>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> Kejau
>>>
>>> You better civilize yourself first before you can communicate with me in
>>> future...I have no reasons to insult you but to make you see sense how to
>>> interact with others....My opinion is mind only and i need no lectures from
>>> you or anybody...
>>>
>>> Niamorkono
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 1:49 AM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>>
>>>   Fye
>>> I apologise for taking you as civilise and capable of communication
>>> without resorting to insults and calling me names.
>>> Kejau.
>>>
>>> Sent from Kejau's iPhone
>>>
>>> On 4 Jul 2013, at 21:57, Fye Samateh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Kejau..
>>>
>>> I know better Egypt and Turkey have secularism in their constitutions
>>> than you and this is what their people wants not an Islamic dictatorship
>>> period..So if you don't understand that in my message then you are really
>>> very STUPID...Why are people demonstrating in these countries since the
>>> Arab up-spring started ? These People want a better life and to maintain
>>> Islam as their religion with respect to other religious communities among
>>> them...How many Christians died in Egypt since Morsi came to power ?
>>> Remember Christianity came to Egypt before Islam..
>>>
>>> Yes the Muslim brotherhood in both Egypt and Tunisia are strictly
>>> Islamic parties and yes their people elected them but since they failed to
>>> deliver people took to the streets again...Once again if you don't realize
>>> that then you are an IDIOT...Get to the point and control your rage..The
>>> Christian west has nothing to do what is happening in these countries and i
>>> will be the first person to condemn them if that happens...So again you are
>>> making nonsense ...
>>>
>>> Turkish Government has been doing great economically for years now but
>>> they have a long way to improve the democratic principles for all their
>>> citizens..Are you aware how many Turkish journalists and opposition members
>>> are lingering in jails since this party came to power? Perhaps one of the
>>> main reasons their refuse to join the EU... I think your international
>>> awareness is very limited so you better know who you are talking to...
>>>
>>> Morsi himself admitted last night his mistakes and i am with the
>>> Egyptian people to see him go....You better do the same or stuff your
>>> message...
>>>
>>> Niamorkono
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Fye,
>>>
>>> How exactly is Egypt and Turkey not a secular system? Secularism is
>>> enshrined in their constitutions, yet you chose to call them Islamic! If
>>> the Kristelig Folkeparti, the Norwegin Christian Democratic Party wins
>>> elections, you may not say this. What exactly makes these parties Islamist.
>>> The Refah Party, The Welfare Partisi of Turkey, has brought in more
>>> democracy, the rule of law and unprecedented development and more peace
>>> with the separatist PPK than ever before seen in the history of Turkey, yet
>>> you want them out, just because the Christian West, want them out.
>>> As Dr. Malang said, the people get the government they deserve! The
>>> Armed Forces in Egypt chose to defend the illegitimate demonstrations
>>> instead of the legitimate winners of the elections. History will judge them
>>> and as Pastor often quipped, the consequences of their actions will be
>>> devastating for years to come.
>>> The question lingering now is, they promised fresh elections, will they
>>> disband the Muslim Brotherhood and if not will they continue to push them
>>> out, whenever they win elections, which they will poise to do in the near
>>> future.
>>> As Uncle Koro Sallah said, security is a very important arm of our
>>> existence and we cannot afford to relegate them to the bottom. The US
>>> government is being asked by its democratic and peace loving people to
>>> consider their aid package to a military that fails its historic
>>> responsibility and the actions the Obama government and the west takes will
>>> have consequences for all us for years to come.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Kejau
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:07:06 +0200
>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>> Folks..
>>> Egyptian people wants a secular system with democratic values and
>>> transparency not an Islamic dictatorship...So i support the army on this
>>> one for getting rid of Morsi and hopefully the Islamist will not succeed in
>>> both Turkey and Tunisia as well...I wish the interim team all the best of
>>> luck..
>>>
>>> For Justice
>>> Niamorkono
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:12 AM, dbaldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Cousin Haruna, history doesn't bear witness to military relinquishing
>>> power to the people... they get push out by another and another. . Etc.. we
>>> shall witness this one too inha- Allah... happy 4th
>>>
>>> Demba
>>>
>>>
>>>  From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Husainou <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Date: 07/03/2013 7:27 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Haruna,
>>> You seem to have a lot of fate in the people's ability to control the
>>> military.
>>>
>>> Malanding
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  And the military will be removed by the people if they turn against
>>> the people by rigging elections. Where are Rawlings and ATT
>>> now?????????????????????????????
>>>
>>> I encourage you to have faith in the great people of Misera.
>>>
>>> Haruna.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:08 pm
>>> Subject: Re: Egypt tense as army deadline looms
>>>
>>>  Great observation brother Khaleel, in the long run these military
>>> turns out to become so called civilian leaders with sham elections...
>>> Remember JJ rawlings in Ghana... he tested it first, stepped down and came
>>> back later... same thing with Tumani Toure of Mali... It is simply
>>> dangerous to give the military with guns so much power... They won't have
>>> any respect for the civilian government and the civilian become a puppet of
>>> the military institution... Unprecedented indeed! It would be interesting
>>> to observe and document developments...
>>>
>>> Demba
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Khaleel Jameel <
>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I will need to start reading to see if the Egyptian military is a
>>> branch of government that give them the obligation and authority to change
>>> a democratically elected government of the people by the people. I guess
>>> one great thing I can compliment them on is that they didn't put a military
>>> personnel as the head of the interim government but their statement is loud
>>> and clear to anyone with the hopes and dreams of ruling Egypt. "We can and
>>> will get you out of power as we see fit" forget about the rule of law.
>>>
>>> Khaleel
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> " Give to yourself as much as you give of yourself".
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 15:29, "Demba Baldeh" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Its confirmed the military has taken over in Egypt... breaking news
>>> now....
>>>
>>> Demba
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>>
>>>  I think we must come to accept that a people deserve the leaders they
>>> get. Just stay tune.
>>>
>>> Malanding Jaiteh
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   True Malamin, but there is a process through which this can be
>>> addressed. It is call a democratic process and elections. If they are not
>>> happy with Morsi they can vote him out the next time around.. Where does it
>>> end is my question? If you elect another leader and quarter of the country
>>> is not happy, do you topple them as well? Where does it end? Citizens can
>>> engage in activism but violence is intolerable and could be detrimental and
>>> turn the country into bloodshed... So they accepted a military council
>>> after Mubarak, they will topple morsi and accept another military
>>> dictatorship... Am just concern really?
>>>
>>> Demba
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Malamin Barrow <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>>
>>>  Demba, an unfortunate situation in Egypt, but it would be wrong to
>>> describe the protesters in Tahrir square as "they were born and brought up
>>> under dictatorship so all they know is force and others imposing on them".
>>> The majority of these protesters are young educated Muslims who want to
>>> practice their religion, and still enjoy their civic and secular rights.
>>> Now here comes a democratically elected leader who turns against the
>>> first principles of democracy, consensus. He seems to subscribe to the
>>> unacceptable notion, which translates democracy as winner takes all. The
>>> people in Tahrir square don't want to transition from a military
>>> dictatorship to a religious dictatorship.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Demba Baldeh" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 1:12:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms
>>>
>>>
>>> And the protesters would rather accept a military takeover than a
>>> civilian rule??? something is wrong with that picture! But then what to
>>> expect... most of those protesters don't know any better... they were born
>>> and brought up under dictatorship so all they know is force and others
>>> imposing on them....Sidi Jatta was right when he said "the so called Arab
>>> spring is yet to be a revolution" interview with Gainako.
>>>
>>>
>>> Watching developments closely..
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Demba
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Husainou < [log in to unmask] > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All of you made excellent assessment of the current crisis in Egypt .
>>> The departure of Mubarak created a power vacuum this is what happens after
>>> dictator is dethrone . The notion that Egypt will fully democratic within
>>> two years is jejune . Looks like military coupe
>>> Hou
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Malanding Jaiteh < [log in to unmask] >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The second coming of Mubarak? Chei!
>>>
>>>
>>> Malanding
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Husainou < [log in to unmask] > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> playMohammed Morsi
>>>
>>> Tensions are high in Egypt as an army ultimatum for President Mohammed
>>> Morsi to resolve deadly unrest approaches.
>>>
>>> Clashes broke out at rival protests across the country overnight, with
>>> at least 16 pro-Morsi protesters killed at a demonstration at Cairo
>>> University.
>>>
>>> The army has said it will shed its blood to defend Egypt against "any
>>> terrorist, radical or fool".
>>>
>>> Mr Morsi insists he is the legitimate leader and will not give in to
>>> "violence and thuggery" by resigning.
>>>   Map
>>>
>>> In a defiant televised speech on Tuesday evening, he too said he would
>>> give his life to defend constitutional legitimacy, and blamed the unrest on
>>> corruption and remnants of the ousted regime of Hosni Mubarak.
>>>
>>> Calling for protesters to respect the rule of law, he urged the
>>> establishment of a committee of reconciliation as well as a charter of
>>> ethics for the media, and said he was prepared to meet all groups and
>>> individuals as part of a national dialogue process.
>>>
>>> 'Terrorists and fools'
>>>
>>> The army has given a deadline of around 16:30 local time (14:30 GMT) on
>>> Wednesday for the crisis to be dealt with.
>>>
>>> In a statement posted on its Facebook page after Mr Morsi's speech was
>>> broadcast - under the title, "Final Hours" - it said: "We swear to God that
>>> we will sacrifice even our blood for Egypt and its people, to defend them
>>> against any terrorist, radical or fool."
>>>
>>> Media reports say the army's plan includes the outline for new
>>> presidential elections, the suspension of the new constitution and the
>>> dissolution of parliament.
>>>
>>> However one military source told Reuters those reports were not true,
>>> and that the deadline would mark the beginning of talks about what should
>>> be done next.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, Mr Morsi met the head of the armed forces, Gen Abdel Fattah
>>> al-Sisi, for a second consecutive day. No details of the talks, which also
>>> included Prime Minister Hisham Qandil, were released.
>>>
>>> Military sources earlier told the BBC the president's position was
>>> becoming "weaker" with every passing minute and suggested that, under the
>>> draft plan, he could be replaced by a council of cross-party civilians and
>>> technocrats ahead of new elections.
>>>
>>> The president was put under further pressure by the resignation of six
>>> ministers from his government on Monday, including Foreign Minister Kamel
>>> Amr.
>>>
>>> Mr Morsi became Egypt's first Islamist president on 30 June 2012, after
>>> winning an election considered free and fair following the 2011 revolution
>>> that toppled Mubarak.
>>>
>>> But anger has been growing against him and the Muslim Brotherhood - the
>>> party from which he comes. Protesters are angry at the lack of development
>>> in post-revolution Egypt - they accuse the Brotherhood of trying to protect
>>> its own interests and of pushing an Islamist agenda.
>>>
>>> "This is a president threatening his own people. We don't consider him
>>> the president of Egypt," said Mohammed Abdelaziz, a leader of the Tamarod
>>> (Rebel) campaign, a rapidly growing anti-Morsi opposition movement.
>>>
>>> However, Mr Morsi and the Brotherhood still have significant public
>>> support, and both sides have drawn huge numbers to rallies in recent days.
>>>
>>> Thousands gathered in Tahrir Square in central Cairo on Tuesday
>>> afternoon to demand Mr Morsi step down. There were outbreaks of violence in
>>> several parts of the capital, with casualties reported at hospitals in the
>>> north, south and centre of Cairo.
>>>
>>> In the largest unrest, at least 16 people were killed and about 200
>>> wounded at Cairo University in Giza. Eyewitness Mostafa Abdelnasser told
>>> AFP that Morsi supporters had come under attack from unidentified men
>>> carrying firearms.
>>>
>>> Clashes were also reported in Alexandria, Egypt's second city, on
>>> Tuesday.
>>>
>>> Crowds began gathering in Tahrir Square again on Wednesday morning, with
>>> numbers expected to rise throughout the day.
>>>
>>> On Monday, eight people died as activists stormed and ransacked the
>>> Muslim Brotherhood's Cairo headquarters.
>>>
>>> In the wake of the latest unrest, the UK Foreign Office has changed its
>>> travel advice for Egypt recommending against all but essential travel to
>>> the country except for resorts on the Red Sea in South Sinai and in the Red
>>> Sea governorate.
>>>
>>> The instability has also hit global oil prices, sending US light crude
>>> above $100 a barrel for the first time since September last year, amid
>>> concerns supply routes through the Suez Canal could be affected.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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