Suntou.. Events in Egypt is getting very tense and i wish we can all concentrate on that and pray for a peaceful transition... Tell your mbading to stop making a fool of himself..I assume he lives here in Oslo and we might catch up in future on the streets to finish our exchanges peacefully if necessary...So for the moment i will rather stick with the issues that concern us all... Cheers... On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:01 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Niamorkono > I think you have put forward vital explanations. We cannot all see things > the same. Your thoughts are echoed in some angles, whilst that of Kejau is > likewise. Hence, it is ok to move on...Aljazeera who is even targeted in > Egypt has different expert angles on the issue...I will urge you and > Mbading to just move on and bring us your interesting articles and > opinions. We will disagree here and sometimes trampled on each other, but > that is ok. Thanks > Suntou > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Fye Samateh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Kejau.. >> Am not sure what u mean about civilize...Please be specific....This is an >> open forum for debates that makes sense and i have been doing that for >> years now..Of course you can disagree with me but not the rage and >> stupidity you performed on matters you know less..So again you must be an >> idiot to dismiss my opinion on events in Egypt...Who the HELL are you >> really ? Please go ahead and enjoy your life... >> >> Niamorkono... >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Fye, >>> >>> Do not worry, I only communicate with civilize people who write about >>> issues and not trading insults, so you wont see me reply to you ever again. >>> If your opinion sucks and people point that out to you, the civilize thing >>> to do is explain why you blatantly miss the obvious and not start invective >>> like you did. It only shows who you really are! >>> >>> Kejau >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:48:07 +0200 >>> >>> From: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> >>> Kejau >>> >>> You better civilize yourself first before you can communicate with me in >>> future...I have no reasons to insult you but to make you see sense how to >>> interact with others....My opinion is mind only and i need no lectures from >>> you or anybody... >>> >>> Niamorkono >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 1:49 AM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>> >>> Fye >>> I apologise for taking you as civilise and capable of communication >>> without resorting to insults and calling me names. >>> Kejau. >>> >>> Sent from Kejau's iPhone >>> >>> On 4 Jul 2013, at 21:57, Fye Samateh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> Kejau.. >>> >>> I know better Egypt and Turkey have secularism in their constitutions >>> than you and this is what their people wants not an Islamic dictatorship >>> period..So if you don't understand that in my message then you are really >>> very STUPID...Why are people demonstrating in these countries since the >>> Arab up-spring started ? These People want a better life and to maintain >>> Islam as their religion with respect to other religious communities among >>> them...How many Christians died in Egypt since Morsi came to power ? >>> Remember Christianity came to Egypt before Islam.. >>> >>> Yes the Muslim brotherhood in both Egypt and Tunisia are strictly >>> Islamic parties and yes their people elected them but since they failed to >>> deliver people took to the streets again...Once again if you don't realize >>> that then you are an IDIOT...Get to the point and control your rage..The >>> Christian west has nothing to do what is happening in these countries and i >>> will be the first person to condemn them if that happens...So again you are >>> making nonsense ... >>> >>> Turkish Government has been doing great economically for years now but >>> they have a long way to improve the democratic principles for all their >>> citizens..Are you aware how many Turkish journalists and opposition members >>> are lingering in jails since this party came to power? Perhaps one of the >>> main reasons their refuse to join the EU... I think your international >>> awareness is very limited so you better know who you are talking to... >>> >>> Morsi himself admitted last night his mistakes and i am with the >>> Egyptian people to see him go....You better do the same or stuff your >>> message... >>> >>> Niamorkono >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> Fye, >>> >>> How exactly is Egypt and Turkey not a secular system? Secularism is >>> enshrined in their constitutions, yet you chose to call them Islamic! If >>> the Kristelig Folkeparti, the Norwegin Christian Democratic Party wins >>> elections, you may not say this. What exactly makes these parties Islamist. >>> The Refah Party, The Welfare Partisi of Turkey, has brought in more >>> democracy, the rule of law and unprecedented development and more peace >>> with the separatist PPK than ever before seen in the history of Turkey, yet >>> you want them out, just because the Christian West, want them out. >>> As Dr. Malang said, the people get the government they deserve! The >>> Armed Forces in Egypt chose to defend the illegitimate demonstrations >>> instead of the legitimate winners of the elections. History will judge them >>> and as Pastor often quipped, the consequences of their actions will be >>> devastating for years to come. >>> The question lingering now is, they promised fresh elections, will they >>> disband the Muslim Brotherhood and if not will they continue to push them >>> out, whenever they win elections, which they will poise to do in the near >>> future. >>> As Uncle Koro Sallah said, security is a very important arm of our >>> existence and we cannot afford to relegate them to the bottom. The US >>> government is being asked by its democratic and peace loving people to >>> consider their aid package to a military that fails its historic >>> responsibility and the actions the Obama government and the west takes will >>> have consequences for all us for years to come. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Kejau >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:07:06 +0200 >>> From: [log in to unmask] >>> >>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> >>> >>> Folks.. >>> Egyptian people wants a secular system with democratic values and >>> transparency not an Islamic dictatorship...So i support the army on this >>> one for getting rid of Morsi and hopefully the Islamist will not succeed in >>> both Turkey and Tunisia as well...I wish the interim team all the best of >>> luck.. >>> >>> For Justice >>> Niamorkono >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:12 AM, dbaldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> Cousin Haruna, history doesn't bear witness to military relinquishing >>> power to the people... they get push out by another and another. . Etc.. we >>> shall witness this one too inha- Allah... happy 4th >>> >>> Demba >>> >>> >>> From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Husainou <[log in to unmask]> >>> Date: 07/03/2013 7:27 PM (GMT-08:00) >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> Haruna, >>> You seem to have a lot of fate in the people's ability to control the >>> military. >>> >>> Malanding >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> And the military will be removed by the people if they turn against >>> the people by rigging elections. Where are Rawlings and ATT >>> now????????????????????????????? >>> >>> I encourage you to have faith in the great people of Misera. >>> >>> Haruna. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:08 pm >>> Subject: Re: Egypt tense as army deadline looms >>> >>> Great observation brother Khaleel, in the long run these military >>> turns out to become so called civilian leaders with sham elections... >>> Remember JJ rawlings in Ghana... he tested it first, stepped down and came >>> back later... same thing with Tumani Toure of Mali... It is simply >>> dangerous to give the military with guns so much power... They won't have >>> any respect for the civilian government and the civilian become a puppet of >>> the military institution... Unprecedented indeed! It would be interesting >>> to observe and document developments... >>> >>> Demba >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Khaleel Jameel < >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> I will need to start reading to see if the Egyptian military is a >>> branch of government that give them the obligation and authority to change >>> a democratically elected government of the people by the people. I guess >>> one great thing I can compliment them on is that they didn't put a military >>> personnel as the head of the interim government but their statement is loud >>> and clear to anyone with the hopes and dreams of ruling Egypt. "We can and >>> will get you out of power as we see fit" forget about the rule of law. >>> >>> Khaleel >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> " Give to yourself as much as you give of yourself". >>> >>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 15:29, "Demba Baldeh" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> Its confirmed the military has taken over in Egypt... breaking news >>> now.... >>> >>> Demba >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>> >>> I think we must come to accept that a people deserve the leaders they >>> get. Just stay tune. >>> >>> Malanding Jaiteh >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> True Malamin, but there is a process through which this can be >>> addressed. It is call a democratic process and elections. If they are not >>> happy with Morsi they can vote him out the next time around.. Where does it >>> end is my question? If you elect another leader and quarter of the country >>> is not happy, do you topple them as well? Where does it end? Citizens can >>> engage in activism but violence is intolerable and could be detrimental and >>> turn the country into bloodshed... So they accepted a military council >>> after Mubarak, they will topple morsi and accept another military >>> dictatorship... Am just concern really? >>> >>> Demba >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Malamin Barrow <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>> >>> Demba, an unfortunate situation in Egypt, but it would be wrong to >>> describe the protesters in Tahrir square as "they were born and brought up >>> under dictatorship so all they know is force and others imposing on them". >>> The majority of these protesters are young educated Muslims who want to >>> practice their religion, and still enjoy their civic and secular rights. >>> Now here comes a democratically elected leader who turns against the >>> first principles of democracy, consensus. He seems to subscribe to the >>> unacceptable notion, which translates democracy as winner takes all. The >>> people in Tahrir square don't want to transition from a military >>> dictatorship to a religious dictatorship. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Demba Baldeh" <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 1:12:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms >>> >>> >>> And the protesters would rather accept a military takeover than a >>> civilian rule??? something is wrong with that picture! But then what to >>> expect... most of those protesters don't know any better... they were born >>> and brought up under dictatorship so all they know is force and others >>> imposing on them....Sidi Jatta was right when he said "the so called Arab >>> spring is yet to be a revolution" interview with Gainako. >>> >>> >>> Watching developments closely.. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Demba >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Husainou < [log in to unmask] > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> All of you made excellent assessment of the current crisis in Egypt . >>> The departure of Mubarak created a power vacuum this is what happens after >>> dictator is dethrone . The notion that Egypt will fully democratic within >>> two years is jejune . Looks like military coupe >>> Hou >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Malanding Jaiteh < [log in to unmask] > >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The second coming of Mubarak? Chei! >>> >>> >>> Malanding >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Husainou < [log in to unmask] > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> playMohammed Morsi >>> >>> Tensions are high in Egypt as an army ultimatum for President Mohammed >>> Morsi to resolve deadly unrest approaches. >>> >>> Clashes broke out at rival protests across the country overnight, with >>> at least 16 pro-Morsi protesters killed at a demonstration at Cairo >>> University. >>> >>> The army has said it will shed its blood to defend Egypt against "any >>> terrorist, radical or fool". >>> >>> Mr Morsi insists he is the legitimate leader and will not give in to >>> "violence and thuggery" by resigning. >>> Map >>> >>> In a defiant televised speech on Tuesday evening, he too said he would >>> give his life to defend constitutional legitimacy, and blamed the unrest on >>> corruption and remnants of the ousted regime of Hosni Mubarak. >>> >>> Calling for protesters to respect the rule of law, he urged the >>> establishment of a committee of reconciliation as well as a charter of >>> ethics for the media, and said he was prepared to meet all groups and >>> individuals as part of a national dialogue process. >>> >>> 'Terrorists and fools' >>> >>> The army has given a deadline of around 16:30 local time (14:30 GMT) on >>> Wednesday for the crisis to be dealt with. >>> >>> In a statement posted on its Facebook page after Mr Morsi's speech was >>> broadcast - under the title, "Final Hours" - it said: "We swear to God that >>> we will sacrifice even our blood for Egypt and its people, to defend them >>> against any terrorist, radical or fool." >>> >>> Media reports say the army's plan includes the outline for new >>> presidential elections, the suspension of the new constitution and the >>> dissolution of parliament. >>> >>> However one military source told Reuters those reports were not true, >>> and that the deadline would mark the beginning of talks about what should >>> be done next. >>> >>> On Tuesday, Mr Morsi met the head of the armed forces, Gen Abdel Fattah >>> al-Sisi, for a second consecutive day. No details of the talks, which also >>> included Prime Minister Hisham Qandil, were released. >>> >>> Military sources earlier told the BBC the president's position was >>> becoming "weaker" with every passing minute and suggested that, under the >>> draft plan, he could be replaced by a council of cross-party civilians and >>> technocrats ahead of new elections. >>> >>> The president was put under further pressure by the resignation of six >>> ministers from his government on Monday, including Foreign Minister Kamel >>> Amr. >>> >>> Mr Morsi became Egypt's first Islamist president on 30 June 2012, after >>> winning an election considered free and fair following the 2011 revolution >>> that toppled Mubarak. >>> >>> But anger has been growing against him and the Muslim Brotherhood - the >>> party from which he comes. Protesters are angry at the lack of development >>> in post-revolution Egypt - they accuse the Brotherhood of trying to protect >>> its own interests and of pushing an Islamist agenda. >>> >>> "This is a president threatening his own people. We don't consider him >>> the president of Egypt," said Mohammed Abdelaziz, a leader of the Tamarod >>> (Rebel) campaign, a rapidly growing anti-Morsi opposition movement. >>> >>> However, Mr Morsi and the Brotherhood still have significant public >>> support, and both sides have drawn huge numbers to rallies in recent days. >>> >>> Thousands gathered in Tahrir Square in central Cairo on Tuesday >>> afternoon to demand Mr Morsi step down. There were outbreaks of violence in >>> several parts of the capital, with casualties reported at hospitals in the >>> north, south and centre of Cairo. >>> >>> In the largest unrest, at least 16 people were killed and about 200 >>> wounded at Cairo University in Giza. Eyewitness Mostafa Abdelnasser told >>> AFP that Morsi supporters had come under attack from unidentified men >>> carrying firearms. >>> >>> Clashes were also reported in Alexandria, Egypt's second city, on >>> Tuesday. >>> >>> Crowds began gathering in Tahrir Square again on Wednesday morning, with >>> numbers expected to rise throughout the day. >>> >>> On Monday, eight people died as activists stormed and ransacked the >>> Muslim Brotherhood's Cairo headquarters. >>> >>> In the wake of the latest unrest, the UK Foreign Office has changed its >>> travel advice for Egypt recommending against all but essential travel to >>> the country except for resorts on the Red Sea in South Sinai and in the Red >>> Sea governorate. >>> >>> The instability has also hit global oil prices, sending US light crude >>> above $100 a barrel for the first time since September last year, amid >>> concerns supply routes through the Suez Canal could be affected. >>> >>> >>> >>> いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To 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