Fye, you are a decent person. You have always shown respect to all here and you don't normally use words of that nature; 'stupid and idiot', but if you really have to use them, I think people will understand that you have been highly provoked and that it was not you who started it. My only advice is; makesure you always apologies to the readership afterwards. That make you a much better person. Thanks Daffeh On 06/07/2013, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Fye, > OK, for the sake of arguments, how exactly does one realize his stupidity > towards others? You are constantly hyping about my stupidity and idiocy, how > exactly was I stupid and an idiot. Anyway, others and I will continue > ignoring you here because of this outburst. Find below what I wrote and > there is not a single thread of rudeness of insult in it. So it looks like > you are unnecessarily incensed or waiting for my to reply to any of your > numerous albeit ignored postings to bounced on me. I know where you live and > will take this up with you to tell exactly how I was stupid and idiotic > towards you as soon as I am near your area. > Kejau > My writing is as below: > Fye, > How exactly is Egypt and Turkey not a secular system? Secularism is > enshrined in their constitutions, yet you chose to call them Islamic! If the > Kristelig Folkeparti, the Norwegin Christian Democratic Party wins > elections, you may not say this. What exactly makes these parties Islamist. > The Refah Party, The Welfare Partisi of Turkey, has brought in more > democracy, the rule of law and unprecedented development and more peace with > the separatist PPK than ever before seen in the history of Turkey, yet you > want them out, just because the Christian West, want them out. As Dr. Malang > said, the people get the government they deserve! The Armed Forces in Egypt > chose to defend the illegitimate demonstrations instead of the legitimate > winners of the elections. History will judge them and as Pastor often > quipped, the consequences of their actions will be devastating for years to > come. The question lingering now is, they promised fresh elections, will > they disband the Muslim Brotherhood and if not will they continue to push > them out, whenever they win elections, which they will poise to do in the > near future. As Uncle Koro Sallah said, security is a very important arm of > our existence and we cannot afford to relegate them to the bottom. The US > government is being asked by its democratic and peace loving people to > consider their aid package to a military that fails its historic > responsibility and the actions the Obama government and the west takes will > have consequences for all us for years to come. > Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 13:21:19 +0200 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms > To: [log in to unmask] > > Kejau.. > Face the facts and realize your stupidity towards me ...So please do learn > your lessons and avoid me in future....Go find your types not me... > > > Niamorkono... > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 12:01 AM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > Fye. > Please be civil and stop the indolence. At least Suntou and Khalleel agreed > with me and if I show your ignorance that's your business! Only idiots call > people idiots or stupid for pointing out their ignorance and bias! You can't > even spell well or put a coherent argument forward yet you chose to be rude. > It shows the kind of home training you got! > I am finish with this thread and you so from now you and your writings go to > the bin! > > Sent from Kejau's iPhone > On 5 Jul 2013, at 14:46, Fye Samateh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Kejau..Am not sure what u mean about civilize...Please be specific....This > is an open forum for debates that makes sense and i have been doing that for > years now..Of course you can disagree with me but not the rage and stupidity > you performed on matters you know less..So again you must be an idiot to > dismiss my opinion on events in Egypt...Who the HELL are you really ? Please > go ahead and enjoy your life... > > > Niamorkono... > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > Fye, > Do not worry, I only communicate with civilize people who write about issues > and not trading insults, so you wont see me reply to you ever again. If your > opinion sucks and people point that out to you, the civilize thing to do is > explain why you blatantly miss the obvious and not start invective like you > did. It only shows who you really are! > > > Kejau > > Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:48:07 +0200 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Kejau > You better civilize yourself first before you can communicate with me in > future...I have no reasons to insult you but to make you see sense how to > interact with others....My opinion is mind only and i need no lectures from > you or anybody... > > > > Niamorkono > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 1:49 AM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > FyeI apologise for taking you as civilise and capable of communication > without resorting to insults and calling me names. > > > Kejau. > Sent from Kejau's iPhone > On 4 Jul 2013, at 21:57, Fye Samateh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Kejau.. > I know better Egypt and Turkey have secularism in their constitutions than > you and this is what their people wants not an Islamic dictatorship > period..So if you don't understand that in my message then you are really > very STUPID...Why are people demonstrating in these countries since the Arab > up-spring started ? These People want a better life and to maintain Islam as > their religion with respect to other religious communities among them...How > many Christians died in Egypt since Morsi came to power ? Remember > Christianity came to Egypt before Islam.. > > > > > Yes the Muslim brotherhood in both Egypt and Tunisia are strictly Islamic > parties and yes their people elected them but since they failed to deliver > people took to the streets again...Once again if you don't realize that then > you are an IDIOT...Get to the point and control your rage..The Christian > west has nothing to do what is happening in these countries and i will be > the first person to condemn them if that happens...So again you are making > nonsense ... > > > > > Turkish Government has been doing great economically for years now but they > have a long way to improve the democratic principles for all their > citizens..Are you aware how many Turkish journalists and opposition members > are lingering in jails since this party came to power? Perhaps one of the > main reasons their refuse to join the EU... I think your international > awareness is very limited so you better know who you are talking to... > > > > > Morsi himself admitted last night his mistakes and i am with the Egyptian > people to see him go....You better do the same or stuff your message... > Niamorkono > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > Fye, > How exactly is Egypt and Turkey not a secular system? Secularism is > enshrined in their constitutions, yet you chose to call them Islamic! If the > Kristelig Folkeparti, the Norwegin Christian Democratic Party wins > elections, you may not say this. What exactly makes these parties Islamist. > The Refah Party, The Welfare Partisi of Turkey, has brought in more > democracy, the rule of law and unprecedented development and more peace with > the separatist PPK than ever before seen in the history of Turkey, yet you > want them out, just because the Christian West, want them out. > > > > As Dr. Malang said, the people get the government they deserve! The Armed > Forces in Egypt chose to defend the illegitimate demonstrations instead of > the legitimate winners of the elections. History will judge them and as > Pastor often quipped, the consequences of their actions will be devastating > for years to come. > > > > The question lingering now is, they promised fresh elections, will they > disband the Muslim Brotherhood and if not will they continue to push them > out, whenever they win elections, which they will poise to do in the near > future. > > > > As Uncle Koro Sallah said, security is a very important arm of our existence > and we cannot afford to relegate them to the bottom. The US government is > being asked by its democratic and peace loving people to consider their aid > package to a military that fails its historic responsibility and the actions > the Obama government and the west takes will have consequences for all us > for years to come. > > > > > Thanks, > Kejau > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:07:06 +0200 > From: [log in to unmask] > > > > > Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms > To: [log in to unmask] > > Folks..Egyptian people wants a secular system with democratic values and > transparency not an Islamic dictatorship...So i support the army on this one > for getting rid of Morsi and hopefully the Islamist will not succeed in both > Turkey and Tunisia as well...I wish the interim team all the best of luck.. > > > > > > For JusticeNiamorkono > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:12 AM, dbaldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > Cousin Haruna, history doesn't bear witness to military relinquishing power > to the people... they get push out by another and another. . Etc.. we shall > witness this one too inha- Allah... happy 4th > > > > > > Demba > > From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > > > > From: Husainou <[log in to unmask]> > Date: 07/03/2013 7:27 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > > Haruna,You seem to have a lot of fate in the people's ability to control the > military. > Malanding > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > And the military will be removed by the people if they turn against the > people by rigging elections. Where are Rawlings and ATT > now????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > I encourage you to have faith in the great people of Misera. > > > > > > > > > > > Haruna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> > > > To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> > > > Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:08 pm > > > Subject: Re: Egypt tense as army deadline looms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great observation brother Khaleel, in the long run these military turns out > to become so called civilian leaders with sham elections... Remember JJ > rawlings in Ghana... he tested it first, stepped down and came back later... > same thing with Tumani Toure of Mali... It is simply dangerous to give the > military with guns so much power... They won't have any respect for the > civilian government and the civilian become a puppet of the military > institution... Unprecedented indeed! It would be interesting to observe and > document developments... > > > > > > > > > > > > Demba > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Khaleel Jameel <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I will need to start reading to see if the Egyptian military is a branch of > government that give them the obligation and authority to change a > democratically elected government of the people by the people. I guess one > great thing I can compliment them on is that they didn't put a military > personnel as the head of the interim government but their statement is loud > and clear to anyone with the hopes and dreams of ruling Egypt. "We can and > will get you out of power as we see fit" forget about the rule of law. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khaleel > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > " Give to yourself as much as you give of yourself". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 15:29, "Demba Baldeh" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its confirmed the military has taken over in Egypt... breaking news now.... > > > > > > > > > Demba > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think we must come to accept that a people deserve the leaders they get. > Just stay tune. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Malanding Jaiteh > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True Malamin, but there is a process through which this can be addressed. It > is call a democratic process and elections. If they are not happy with Morsi > they can vote him out the next time around.. Where does it end is my > question? If you elect another leader and quarter of the country is not > happy, do you topple them as well? Where does it end? Citizens can engage in > activism but violence is intolerable and could be detrimental and turn the > country into bloodshed... So they accepted a military council after Mubarak, > they will topple morsi and accept another military dictatorship... Am just > concern really? > > > > > > > > Demba > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Malamin Barrow <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Demba, an unfortunate situation in Egypt, but it would be wrong to describe > the protesters in Tahrir square as "they were born and brought up under > dictatorship so all they know is force and others imposing on them". The > majority of these protesters are young educated Muslims who want to practice > their religion, and still enjoy their civic and secular rights. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here comes a democratically elected leader who turns against the first > principles of democracy, consensus. He seems to subscribe to the > unacceptable notion, which translates democracy as winner takes all. The > people in Tahrir square don't want to transition from a military > dictatorship to a religious dictatorship. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Demba Baldeh" <[log in to unmask]> > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 1:12:44 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the protesters would rather accept a military takeover than a civilian > rule??? something is wrong with that picture! But then what to expect... > most of those protesters don't know any better... they were born and brought > up under dictatorship so all they know is force and others imposing on > them....Sidi Jatta was right when he said "the so called Arab spring is yet > to be a revolution" interview with Gainako. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Watching developments closely.. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Demba > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Husainou < [log in to unmask] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All of you made excellent assessment of the current crisis in Egypt . The > departure of Mubarak created a power vacuum this is what happens after > dictator is dethrone . The notion that Egypt will fully democratic within > two years is jejune . Looks like military coupe > > > > > > > > > > > > Hou > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Malanding Jaiteh < [log in to unmask] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The second coming of Mubarak? Chei! > > > > > > > > > > > > Malanding > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Husainou < [log in to unmask] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > playMohammed Morsi > > > > > > > > > > Tensions are high in Egypt as an army ultimatum for President Mohammed Morsi > to resolve deadly unrest approaches. > > > > > > > > Clashes broke out at rival protests across the country overnight, with at > least 16 pro-Morsi protesters killed at a demonstration at Cairo > University. > > > > > > > > The army has said it will shed its blood to defend Egypt against "any > terrorist, radical or fool". > > > > > > > > Mr Morsi insists he is the legitimate leader and will not give in to > "violence and thuggery" by resigning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Map > > > > > > > > In a defiant televised speech on Tuesday evening, he too said he would give > his life to defend constitutional legitimacy, and blamed the unrest on > corruption and remnants of the ousted regime of Hosni Mubarak. > > > > > > > > Calling for protesters to respect the rule of law, he urged the > establishment of a committee of reconciliation as well as a charter of > ethics for the media, and said he was prepared to meet all groups and > individuals as part of a national dialogue process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Terrorists and fools' > > > > > > > > The army has given a deadline of around 16:30 local time (14:30 GMT) on > Wednesday for the crisis to be dealt with. > > > > > > > > In a statement posted on its Facebook page after Mr Morsi's speech was > broadcast - under the title, "Final Hours" - it said: "We swear to God that > we will sacrifice even our blood for Egypt and its people, to defend them > against any terrorist, radical or fool." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Media reports say the army's plan includes the outline for new presidential > elections, the suspension of the new constitution and the dissolution of > parliament. > > > > > > > > However one military source told Reuters those reports were not true, and > that the deadline would mark the beginning of talks about what should be > done next. > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, Mr Morsi met the head of the armed forces, Gen Abdel Fattah > al-Sisi, for a second consecutive day. No details of the talks, which also > included Prime Minister Hisham Qandil, were released. > > > > > > > > Military sources earlier told the BBC the president's position was becoming > "weaker" with every passing minute and suggested that, under the draft plan, > he could be replaced by a council of cross-party civilians and technocrats > ahead of new elections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The president was put under further pressure by the resignation of six > ministers from his government on Monday, including Foreign Minister Kamel > Amr. > > > > > > > > Mr Morsi became Egypt's first Islamist president on 30 June 2012, after > winning an election considered free and fair following the 2011 revolution > that toppled Mubarak. > > > > > > > > But anger has been growing against him and the Muslim Brotherhood - the > party from which he comes. Protesters are angry at the lack of development > in post-revolution Egypt - they accuse the Brotherhood of trying to protect > its own interests and of pushing an Islamist agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "This is a president threatening his own people. We don't consider him the > president of Egypt," said Mohammed Abdelaziz, a leader of the Tamarod > (Rebel) campaign, a rapidly growing anti-Morsi opposition movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Mr Morsi and the Brotherhood still have significant public support, > and both sides have drawn huge numbers to rallies in recent days. > > > > > > > > Thousands gathered in Tahrir Square in central Cairo on Tuesday afternoon to > demand Mr Morsi step down. There were outbreaks of violence in several parts > of the capital, with casualties reported at hospitals in the north, south > and centre of Cairo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the largest unrest, at least 16 people were killed and about 200 wounded > at Cairo University in Giza. Eyewitness Mostafa Abdelnasser told AFP that > Morsi supporters had come under attack from unidentified men carrying > firearms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clashes were also reported in Alexandria, Egypt's second city, on Tuesday. > > > > > > > > Crowds began gathering in Tahrir Square again on Wednesday morning, with > numbers expected to rise throughout the day. > > > > > > > > On Monday, eight people died as activists stormed and ransacked the Muslim > Brotherhood's Cairo headquarters. > > > > > > > > In the wake of the latest unrest, the UK Foreign Office has changed its > travel advice for Egypt recommending against all but essential travel to the > country except for resorts on the Red Sea in South Sinai and in the Red Sea > governorate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The instability has also hit global oil prices, sending US light crude above > $100 a barrel for the first time since September last year, amid concerns > supply routes through the Suez Canal could be 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