Dr. Saine made a bad judgement in respect of the NADD debacle and made pronouncements that were perverse on the facts and NADD's very own MOU. He was therefore, rightly called out on that. Anyway, that is now a by gone and Dr. Saine has since redeemed his well cherished scholarly reputation and status within the community. Thanks Daffeh On Saturday, 27 July 2013, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Pa Saikou, Ah-nyab- Safu? > I wasn't going to respond to your "nice piece" to safe you the embarrassment of jumping onto my write up without either understanding the substance of it or simply responding with an emotional fixated made up mind on Dr. Janneh. Clearly you cannot look at this particular subject with an objective mind because of your obsession with the person involved. > I would recommend that you go back and read what I wrote and how I referenced Dr. Saine and Jawara in my write up. For the record I have personally interacted with Dr. Saine at various levels and there is no Gambian Scholar who I respect more and admire for not only his scholarly work but his down to earth humbleness. (Point one) > I only reference Dr. Saine to make a point that none of us can escape the petty criticism of pundits without looking at the issues from a broader or more objective view. Thus I indicated that despite all his Scholarly work and contribution as you recognized he was called all kinds of names on these forums during the NADD debate... which you were a huge part of parading partisan sentiments without recognizing that the stakes were higher than any party or individual. No where in my write up do I accused Dr. Saine of anything but only mentioned that people in fact in your camp were the ones calling him names (we can reference the records if you desire) Point two > Pa Saikou, I have much respect for you and I expect that you will look at any issue from both sides before making a conclusive decision that clearly shows narrow mindedness and lack of objectivity.. I have nothing to gain by being "dishonest on this issue" I simply made an observation that I think has merits and gave examples. Dr. Janneh's decision will remain controversial and I personally disagree with it as I mentioned several times... > My reference to Jawara and judging a man's legacy by a single incident got left out in your response because you cherry picked the issue you already made up your mind on. So I won't fault you for being self righteous and sloppy without objectivity... > Again, I am neither a defender nor an advocate for Dr. Janneh. The man is doing that himself and I must admit he is doing a God damn good job on focusing on what matters and engaging people who are willing to be objective. > Gambia's major problem at this time is not Dr. Janneh but your UNCLE Jammeh. Anything to get our eyes of that ball should not be given any attention period. I hope you open up your mind a little more.... > Demba > > On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Pa. Saikou Kujabi < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Mawdo Demba, "Angkhaddi" misiku a-wellaani deh" > You are not only mixing coconuts and oranges, you are absolutely dishonest by equating what you call "Dr. Saine's daring to stand up with his friends (the OJs) in the NAAd debacle", whatever that means, to Dr. Janneh's well calculated, personal-ambition-driven move to join a regime that has at the time, repeatedly raped democracy in our motherland, slaughtered babies on the streets of Banjul, many others died mysteriously, or disappeared, and many more. If what you alleged Dr. Saine did was in fact true, I very proudly say Kudos to him, for that was a perfect democratic process, not a dictatorship, or a blind-dumb loyalty to an individual or ideology. You will recall that Dr. Saine has, in that same time period or thereafter, called on the opposition on a couple of times to throw their fullest support behind Ousainou Darboe to lead the coalition for various reasons that he very well articulated. So there wasn't any such thing as "friends" that Dr. Saine stood up for in the NAAD debacle. He has consistently stood up for one thing, and one thing only, a Gambia free of tyranny and oppression. > Besides, there are fundamental differences between Dr. Saine and Janneh in relation to your citation, which by the way, is shrouded in hypocrisy and blind-dumb allegiance to Dr. Janneh. In Dr. Saine, one will find consistency, honesty, sincerity, content, and above all, bravery and selflessness. A front line soldier who has never been tempted by Jammeh's luxurious cabinate or diplomatic positions. With the tittle in front of his name, I am convinced that it would not take Yaya a day to figure out his capabilities and accomplishments. A click of a button would take care of that. Furthermore, even if Dr. Saine had been called many names as you alleged, you will also agree with me that those critics were not calling him names for switching sides or cross-carpeting over to AFPRC/APRC. The name callers were undoubtedly from other opposition camps who would have been honored, or in fact have expected him to endorse their choice of candidate at that time(their respective party leaders). Unlike Dr. Janneh, Dr. Saine has never been part of the AFPRC/APRC regime, even though he has probably met Yaya before Dr. Janneh did. > You will further agree with me that Dr. Saine has always been with us in every step of the way, and has never capitulated to pressure, or succumbed to greed or personal ego, to say the least. The review, if anything, has in many ways echoed the sentiments openly and honestly expressed, and debated in this and other forums, including Gainako, I think. > In conclusion, I want to assure you that Dr. Saine's views on this and many other political issues surrounding The Gambia, are mostly, if not all the time, on solid grounds, such that not you or Janneh ....to borrow a line from brethren Modou Mboge " the enabler", can refute. Therefore, to suggest that Dr. Saine "made a mistake" by standing up for his friends (OJs) is just not supported by a thread of fact. On the conversely, to suggest that Dr. Janneh made a mistake by lobbying and eventually accepting Yaya's appointment does not hold an atom bit of water. He knew what いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい