Hehe! Hehe! Wetin be dis. Wahala a bi. Pa Saikou, keep it up! Very good observations. Mboge On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Pa Saikou, > > I see you are growing wings and being pushed into the ring deeper. I > recalled our exchanges during the NADD debate and certainly you were > equally going for my neck and I stood my ground... thus I called you "old > school" and you were bitter about that... > > By the way "No love lost with Halifa" Him and I disagree on fundamental > issues on approach to our political solution in Gambia. Am sure many see > what I see as far as PDOIS and its leadership... The two of us have > extensively exchanged views privately on this and we have agreed to > disagree. > It show you I don't subscribe to blind loyalty to any leadership or party > ideology. Oh before I forget what happens to you and the UDP?* Love lost > there too?????* Certainly yours was bitter than mind because I have never > been a part of PDOIS and you were vested in UDP and even contested > elections on their party platform and of course the results were usual... I > still cheer you for standing up to what you see is not right in your > party!... > > Now I don't know how much more I can make this clear... I do not hold > brief for Dr. Janneh or anyone else. I simply opine on his decisions which > I disagree with just like any of you are doing on the other side... Am > saying Dr. Janneh's explanations true or false are good enough *for me*to want him around to work with all of us to dislodge Jammeh... Is it > enough for you or anyone else? It is up to you to make that decision. I > have made up my mind on him, directly ask him questions and I can live with > his answers because he is not the central problem. > > What a lot of you want is for him to disappear... and he is certainly more > effective in fighting this regime than many of us... Does that make me > dishonest or his adviser..? *I don't really give a flip what some self > righteous holier than thou people think.* > > I wouldn't want to explain anymore about Dr. Saine because I have no issue > with his review. In fact if you go to Gainako we gave it a more suitable > heading as that is the way we see it. I went further to congratulate him > and LJD for the reviews on "Standing up against Injustice" and "A week in > hell". I don't know what else you want!.. > > In regards to people calling Dr. Saine names here already one came out and > admit calling Dr. Saine names. Again, I only brought in Dr. Saine to show > how none of us no matter what we do can escape being called names from > disingenuous people on these forums.. Thus I never equated Dr. Saine with > Dr. Janneh's decision. If you want to tell us more about Dr. Janneh's > decisions he made while serving Jammeh? We are all ears. Just again I won't > defend the man.. he can do that for himself... > > I still insist Jammeh is your uncle and the burden of proof is on you to > break down the family history! I see Yero was defending you because you > are all from Foni including Jammeh... so why can't he defend Jammeh???. > > Good night... > > Demba > > > On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:13 PM, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Thanks Pa, for your excellent reply. >> >> Kejau. >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Mobile >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "Pa. Saikou Kujabi" <[log in to unmask]> >> Date: >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [G_L] Standing Against Injustice:Review by Professor Saine >> >> >> Mawbeh, >> >> Thanks for responding rather promptly. I still didn't get what you were >> trying to convey here. If anything, you have just validated all my points. >> Understand the substance of your write up? The text speaks for itself. You >> are absolutely right that you made it much easier for me or any sound >> minded person to read and understand exactly what you meant. To your >> credit, I saved a fair amount of time in reading your piece and connect the >> dots. In paragraph two, you urged that we should "look at Dr. Janneh's >> decision at a broader perspective" Sound familiar? You bet. This has always >> been you argument in defense of Dr. Janneh. Is that not exactly what Dr. >> Saine's review provided? That is certainly what I many have always done. >> Oh, maybe the review did not meet your standard of looking at things at >> "broader perspective and objectivity". >> >> Are you saying unequivocally that joining AFPRC/APRC, and working for >> Yaya was the only bad decision Dr. Janneh made while in the cabinet. I >> suggest you go back and read the review. I am not obsessed with Dr. Janneh >> at all. He is the least of my problems. I respect him as a human being >> though. >> >> Yes, I ignored the reference you made to Sir Dawda Jawara because, just >> as in the case of Dr. Saine, I did not see how the two are related, and >> frankly, I did not think it makes any sense to for me to spend time to walk >> you through that. I honestly do not know what you mean by Jawara standing >> by Yaya. Yes, Jawara was overthrown by Yaya and his gang of five, but as >> far as I know, Jawara has never sought, or accepted to work for Yaya in any >> capcity. Maybe you should tell me more about that. >> >> In paragraph four you stated; " Dr. Saine HIMSELF a brain behind the >> founding of STGDP and an incredible scholar of our times was called all >> kinds of names on this forum for daring to stand with his friends (OJs) in >> the NAAD debacle". Here, you tried to hide behind the good sentiments you >> said about Dr. Saine, but only to turn around and say that he "himself" >> (Dr. Saine, the author of the review) had made the same or similar mistake >> when he stood up for his friends in the NAAD debacle". You also alleged >> that the name calling was from my camp. Do you mean the UDP camp, or my >> friends club. Be specific. I will very much appreciate if you can provide >> this forum with the references you have on record please. I am not going to >> address your ridiculous charge that me and my camp paraded partisan >> sentiment against Dr. Saine, not realizing that The Gambia is the bigger >> picture. My record stands out when it comes to national interest. >> >> Machugo Jola, a limited autonomy doesn't mean that you are totally free >> from my dominion. You and I have traveled this rout many times before. You >> used to go for my throat when I had disagreement with some of Halifa >> Sillah's views. Love lost? This time around, you availed yourself to >> discredit anyone who makes an objective critique of Dr. Janneh's decision >> to go to bed with Yaya. Demba, you and I have talked about this off line, >> and I told you that I hold all those who chose to work for Yaya to the same >> standard. I have a beef with all of them. Crucify them? Certainly no. But I >> gonna call all of them on it. >> >> I am not surprised at all that your interactions with Dr. Saine are >> memorable. That is who Dr. Saine is. He has affected and changed many lives >> for the better. I can spend a whole year on that alone. Finally, what you >> consistently failed to understand is that, the only issue I and undoubtedly >> most people in our struggle have with Dr. Janneh is, his conscious decision >> to join Yaya's regime. Not because he is Dr. Janneh. You have no idea how >> he ran his office, what advise(s) he gave Yaya in relation to media >> operation, misleading information to the general public, Deyda's hydara's >> assination and many more that only the Doctor can answer. I bet you have no >> clue. You just chose to be his counsel, good luck with that. >> >> Wow, what a new revelation. Yaya.Jammeh is my new uncle? I am deeply >> disappointed that he is the only best uncle you could find for me. Hahaha. >> We'll pick this up another time. Please don't forget to provide us with the >> "partisan sentiments heaped on Dr. Saine from my camp. The world is waiting >> on you. >> >> Gotta go to bed now. >> >> Bests. >> >> Pa. S. Kujabi. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Sent:* Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:11 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Standing Against Injustice:Review by Professor Saine >> >> Pa Saikou, Ah-nyab- Safu? >> >> I wasn't going to respond to your "nice piece" to safe you the >> embarrassment of jumping onto my write up without either understanding the >> substance of it or simply responding with an emotional fixated made up mind >> on Dr. Janneh. Clearly you cannot look at this particular subject with an >> objective mind because of your obsession with the person involved. >> >> I would recommend that you go back and read what I wrote and how I >> referenced Dr. Saine and Jawara in my write up. For the record I have >> personally interacted with Dr. Saine at various levels and there is no >> Gambian Scholar who I respect more and admire for not only his scholarly >> work but his down to earth humbleness. (Point one) >> >> I only reference Dr. Saine to make a point that none of us can escape the >> petty criticism of pundits without looking at the issues from a broader or >> more objective view. Thus I indicated that despite all his Scholarly work >> and contribution as you recognized he was called all kinds of names on >> these forums during the NADD debate... which you were a huge part of >> parading partisan sentiments without recognizing that the stakes were >> higher than any party or individual. No where in my write up do I accused >> Dr. Saine of anything but only mentioned that people in fact in your camp >> were the ones calling him names (we can reference the records if you >> desire) Point two >> >> Pa Saikou, I have much respect for you and I expect that you will look at >> any issue from both sides before making a conclusive decision that clearly >> shows narrow mindedness and lack of objectivity.. I have nothing to gain by >> being "dishonest on this issue" I simply made an observation that I think >> has merits and gave examples. Dr. Janneh's decision will remain >> controversial and I personally disagree with it as I mentioned several >> times... >> >> My reference to Jawara and judging a man's legacy by a single incident >> got left out in your response because you cherry picked the issue you >> already made up your mind on. So I won't fault you for being self righteous >> and sloppy without objectivity... >> >> Again, I am neither a defender nor an advocate for Dr. Janneh. The man is >> doing that himself and I must admit he is doing a God damn good job on >> focusing on what matters and engaging people who are willing to be >> objective. >> >> Gambia's major problem at this time is not Dr. Janneh but your UNCLE >> Jammeh. Anything to get our eyes of that ball should not be given any >> attention period. I hope you open up your mind a little more.... >> >> Demba >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Pa. Saikou Kujabi < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Mawdo Demba, "Angkhaddi" misiku a-wellaani deh" >> >> You are not only mixing coconuts and oranges, you are absolutely >> dishonest by equating what you call "Dr. Saine's daring to stand up with >> his friends (the OJs) in the NAAd debacle", whatever that means, to Dr. >> Janneh's well calculated, personal-ambition-driven move to join a regime >> that has at the time, repeatedly raped democracy in our motherland, >> slaughtered babies on the streets of Banjul, many others died mysteriously, >> or disappeared, and many more. If what you alleged Dr. Saine did was in >> fact true, I very proudly say Kudos to him, for that was a perfect >> democratic process, not a dictatorship, or a blind-dumb loyalty to an >> individual or ideology. You will recall that Dr. Saine has, in that same >> time period or thereafter, called on the opposition on a couple of times to >> throw their fullest support behind Ousainou Darboe to lead the coalition >> for various reasons that he very well articulated. So there wasn't any such >> thing as "friends" that Dr. Saine stood up for in the NAAD debacle. He has >> consistently stood up for one thing, and one thing only, a Gambia free of >> tyranny and oppression. >> >> Besides, there are fundamental differences between Dr. Saine and Janneh >> in relation to your citation, which by the way, is shrouded in hypocrisy >> and blind-dumb allegiance to Dr. Janneh. In Dr. Saine, one will find >> consistency, honesty, sincerity, content, and above all, bravery and >> selflessness. A front line soldier who has never been tempted by Jammeh's >> luxurious cabinate or diplomatic positions. With the tittle in front of his >> name, I am convinced that it would not take Yaya a day to figure out his >> capabilities and accomplishments. A click of a button would take care of >> that. Furthermore, even if Dr. Saine had been called many names as you >> alleged, you will also agree with me that those critics were not calling >> him names for switching sides or cross-carpeting over to AFPRC/APRC. The >> name callers were undoubtedly from other opposition camps who would have >> been honored, or in fact have expected him to endorse their choice of >> candidate at that time(their respective party leaders). Unlike Dr. Janneh, >> Dr. Saine has never been part of the AFPRC/APRC regime, even though he has >> probably met Yaya before Dr. Janneh did. >> >> You will further agree with me that Dr. Saine has always been with us in >> every step of the way, and has never capitulated to pressure, or succumbed >> to greed or personal ego, to say the least. The review, if anything, has >> in many ways echoed the sentiments openly and honestly expressed, and >> debated in this and other forums, including Gainako, I think. >> >> In conclusion, I want to assure you that Dr. Saine's views on this and >> many other political issues surrounding The Gambia, are mostly, if not all >> the time, on solid grounds, such that not you or Janneh ....to borrow a >> line from brethren Modou Mboge " the enabler", can refute. Therefore, to >> suggest that Dr. Saine "made a mistake" by standing up for his friends >> (OJs) is just not supported by a thread of fact. On the conversely, to >> suggest that Dr. Janneh made a mistake by lobbying and eventually accepting >> Yaya's appointment does not hold an atom bit of water. He knew what he was >> doing ( Mens rea), sought for it and jumped (Actus reus) on it when he was >> provided with the opportunity. Dream come true, right? >> >> "Beh Kajjum" >> >> Pa. S. 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