Hehe! Hehe! Wetin be dis.  Wahala a bi.  Pa Saikou, keep it up!  Very good
observations.

Mboge


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Pa Saikou,
>
> I see you are growing wings and being pushed into the ring deeper. I
> recalled our exchanges during the NADD debate and certainly you were
> equally  going for my neck and I stood my ground... thus I called you "old
> school" and you were bitter about that...
>
> By the way "No love lost with Halifa" Him and I disagree on fundamental
> issues on approach to our political solution in Gambia. Am sure many see
> what I see as far as PDOIS and its leadership... The two of us have
> extensively exchanged views privately on this and we have agreed to
> disagree.
> It show you I don't subscribe to blind loyalty to any leadership or party
> ideology. Oh before I forget what happens to you and the UDP?* Love lost
> there too?????* Certainly yours was bitter than mind because I have never
> been a part of PDOIS and you were vested in UDP and even contested
> elections on their party platform and of course the results were usual... I
> still cheer you for standing up to what you see is not right in your
> party!...
>
> Now I don't know how much more I can make this clear... I do not hold
> brief for Dr. Janneh or anyone else. I simply opine on his decisions which
> I disagree with just like any of you are doing on the other side... Am
> saying Dr. Janneh's explanations true or false are good enough *for me*to want him around to work with all of us to dislodge Jammeh... Is it
> enough for you or anyone else? It is up to you to make that decision. I
> have made up my mind on him, directly ask him questions and I can live with
> his answers because he is not the central problem.
>
> What a lot of you want is for him to disappear... and he is certainly more
> effective in fighting this regime than many of us... Does that make me
> dishonest or his adviser..? *I don't really give a flip what some self
> righteous holier than thou people think.*
>
> I wouldn't want to explain anymore about Dr. Saine because I have no issue
> with his review. In fact if you go to Gainako we gave it a more suitable
> heading as that is the way we see it. I went further to congratulate him
> and LJD for the reviews on "Standing up against Injustice" and "A week in
> hell". I don't know what else you want!..
>
> In regards to people calling Dr. Saine names here already one came out and
> admit calling Dr. Saine names. Again, I only brought in Dr. Saine to show
> how none of us no matter what we do can escape being called names from
> disingenuous people on these forums.. Thus I never equated Dr. Saine with
> Dr. Janneh's decision. If you want to tell us more about Dr. Janneh's
> decisions he made while serving Jammeh? We are all ears. Just again I won't
> defend the man.. he can do that for himself...
>
> I still insist Jammeh is your uncle and the burden of proof is on you to
> break down the family history!  I see Yero was defending you because you
> are all from Foni including Jammeh... so why can't he defend Jammeh???.
>
> Good night...
>
> Demba
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:13 PM, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Pa, for your excellent reply.
>>
>> Kejau.
>>
>>
>> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: "Pa. Saikou Kujabi" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date:
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Standing Against Injustice:Review by Professor Saine
>>
>>
>>  Mawbeh,
>>
>> Thanks for responding rather promptly. I still didn't get what you were
>> trying to convey here. If anything, you have just validated all my points.
>> Understand the substance of your write up? The text speaks for itself. You
>> are absolutely right that you made it much easier for me or any sound
>> minded person to read and understand exactly what you meant. To your
>> credit, I saved a fair amount of time in reading your piece and connect the
>> dots. In paragraph two, you urged that we should "look at Dr. Janneh's
>> decision at a broader perspective" Sound familiar? You bet. This has always
>> been you argument in defense of Dr. Janneh. Is that not exactly what  Dr.
>> Saine's review provided? That is certainly what I many have always done.
>> Oh, maybe the review did not meet your standard of looking at things at
>> "broader perspective and objectivity".
>>
>> Are you saying unequivocally that joining AFPRC/APRC, and working for
>> Yaya was the only bad decision Dr. Janneh made while in the cabinet. I
>> suggest you go back and read the review. I am not obsessed with Dr. Janneh
>> at all. He is the least of my problems. I respect him as a human being
>> though.
>>
>> Yes, I ignored the reference you made to Sir Dawda Jawara because, just
>> as in the case of Dr. Saine, I did not see how the two are related, and
>> frankly, I did not think it makes any sense to for me to spend time to walk
>> you through that. I honestly do not know what you mean by Jawara standing
>> by Yaya. Yes, Jawara was overthrown by Yaya and his gang of five, but as
>> far as I know, Jawara has never sought, or accepted to work for Yaya in any
>> capcity. Maybe you should tell me more about that.
>>
>> In paragraph four you stated; " Dr. Saine HIMSELF a brain behind the
>> founding of STGDP and an incredible  scholar of our times was called all
>> kinds of names on this forum for daring to stand with his friends (OJs) in
>> the NAAD debacle". Here, you tried to hide behind the good sentiments you
>> said about Dr. Saine, but only to turn around and say that he "himself"
>> (Dr. Saine, the author of the review) had made the same or similar mistake
>> when he stood up for his friends in the NAAD debacle".  You also alleged
>> that the name calling was from my camp. Do you mean the UDP camp, or my
>> friends club. Be specific. I will very much appreciate if you can provide
>> this forum with the references you have on record please. I am not going to
>> address your ridiculous charge that me and my camp paraded partisan
>> sentiment against Dr. Saine, not realizing that The Gambia is the bigger
>> picture. My record stands out when it comes to national interest.
>>
>> Machugo Jola, a limited autonomy doesn't mean that you are totally free
>> from my dominion. You and I have traveled this rout many times before. You
>> used to go for my throat when I  had disagreement with some of Halifa
>> Sillah's views. Love lost? This time around, you availed yourself to
>> discredit anyone who makes an objective critique of Dr. Janneh's decision
>> to go to bed with Yaya. Demba, you and I have talked about this off line,
>> and I told you that I hold all those who chose to work for Yaya to the same
>> standard. I have a beef with all of them. Crucify them? Certainly no. But I
>> gonna call all of them on it.
>>
>> I am not surprised at all that your interactions with Dr. Saine are
>> memorable. That is who Dr. Saine is. He has affected and changed many lives
>> for the better. I can spend a whole year on that alone. Finally, what you
>> consistently failed to understand is that, the only issue I and undoubtedly
>> most people in our struggle have with Dr. Janneh is, his conscious decision
>> to join Yaya's regime. Not because he is Dr. Janneh. You have no idea how
>> he ran his office, what advise(s) he gave Yaya in relation to media
>> operation, misleading information to the general public, Deyda's hydara's
>> assination and many more that only the Doctor can answer. I bet you have no
>> clue. You just chose to be his counsel, good luck with that.
>>
>> Wow, what a new revelation. Yaya.Jammeh is my new uncle? I am deeply
>> disappointed that he is the only best uncle you could find for me. Hahaha.
>> We'll pick this up another time. Please don't forget to provide us with the
>> "partisan sentiments heaped on Dr. Saine from my camp. The world is waiting
>> on you.
>>
>> Gotta go to bed now.
>>
>> Bests.
>>
>> Pa. S. Kujabi.
>>
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>>  *From:* Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:11 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Standing Against Injustice:Review by Professor Saine
>>
>> Pa Saikou, Ah-nyab- Safu?
>>
>> I wasn't going to respond to your "nice piece" to safe you the
>> embarrassment of jumping onto my write up without either understanding the
>> substance of it or simply responding with an emotional fixated made up mind
>> on Dr. Janneh. Clearly you cannot look at this particular subject with an
>> objective mind because of your obsession with the person involved.
>>
>> I would recommend that you go back and read what I wrote and how I
>> referenced Dr. Saine and Jawara in my write up. For the record I have
>> personally interacted with Dr. Saine at various levels and there is no
>> Gambian Scholar who I respect more and admire for not only his scholarly
>> work but his down to earth humbleness. (Point one)
>>
>> I only reference Dr. Saine to make a point that none of us can escape the
>> petty criticism of pundits without looking at the issues from a broader or
>> more objective view. Thus I indicated that despite all his Scholarly work
>> and contribution as you recognized he was called all kinds of names on
>> these forums during the NADD debate... which you were a huge part of
>> parading partisan sentiments without recognizing that the stakes were
>> higher than any party or individual. No where in my write up do I accused
>> Dr. Saine of anything but only mentioned that people in fact in your camp
>> were the ones calling him names (we can reference the records if you
>> desire) Point two
>>
>> Pa Saikou, I have much respect for you and I expect that you will look at
>> any issue from both sides before making a conclusive decision that clearly
>> shows narrow mindedness and lack of objectivity.. I have nothing to gain by
>> being "dishonest on this issue" I simply made an observation that I think
>> has merits and gave examples. Dr. Janneh's decision will remain
>> controversial and I personally disagree with it as I mentioned several
>> times...
>>
>> My reference to Jawara and judging a man's legacy by a single incident
>> got left out in your response because you cherry picked the issue you
>> already made up your mind on. So I won't fault you for being self righteous
>> and sloppy without objectivity...
>>
>> Again, I am neither a defender nor an advocate for Dr. Janneh. The man is
>> doing that himself and I must admit he is doing a God damn good job on
>> focusing on what matters and engaging people who are willing to be
>> objective.
>>
>> Gambia's major problem at this time is not Dr. Janneh but your UNCLE
>> Jammeh. Anything to get our eyes of that ball should not be given any
>> attention period. I hope you open up your mind a little more....
>>
>> Demba
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Pa. Saikou Kujabi <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Mawdo Demba, "Angkhaddi" misiku a-wellaani deh"
>>
>> You are not only mixing coconuts and oranges, you are absolutely
>> dishonest by equating what you call "Dr. Saine's daring to stand up with
>> his friends (the OJs) in the NAAd debacle", whatever that means, to Dr.
>> Janneh's well calculated, personal-ambition-driven move to join a regime
>> that has at the time, repeatedly raped democracy in our motherland,
>> slaughtered babies on the streets of Banjul, many others died mysteriously,
>> or disappeared, and many more. If what you alleged Dr. Saine did was in
>> fact true, I very proudly say Kudos to him, for that was a perfect
>> democratic process, not a dictatorship, or a blind-dumb loyalty to an
>> individual or ideology. You will  recall that Dr. Saine has, in that same
>> time period or thereafter, called on the opposition on a couple of times to
>> throw their fullest support behind Ousainou Darboe to lead the coalition
>> for various reasons that he very well articulated. So there wasn't any such
>> thing as "friends" that Dr. Saine stood up for in the NAAD debacle. He has
>> consistently stood up for one thing, and one thing only, a Gambia free of
>> tyranny and oppression.
>>
>>  Besides, there are fundamental differences between Dr. Saine and Janneh
>> in relation to your citation, which by the way, is shrouded in hypocrisy
>> and blind-dumb allegiance to Dr. Janneh. In Dr. Saine, one will find
>> consistency, honesty, sincerity, content, and above all, bravery and
>> selflessness. A front line soldier who has never been tempted by Jammeh's
>> luxurious cabinate or diplomatic positions. With the tittle in front of his
>> name, I am convinced that it would not take Yaya a day to figure out his
>> capabilities and accomplishments. A click of a button would take care of
>> that.  Furthermore, even if Dr. Saine had been called many names as you
>> alleged, you will also agree with me that those critics were not calling
>> him names for switching sides or cross-carpeting over to AFPRC/APRC. The
>> name callers were undoubtedly from other opposition camps who would have
>> been honored, or in fact have expected him to endorse their choice of
>> candidate at that time(their respective party leaders). Unlike Dr. Janneh,
>> Dr. Saine  has never been part of the AFPRC/APRC regime, even though he has
>> probably met Yaya before Dr. Janneh did.
>>
>> You will further agree with me that Dr. Saine has always been with us in
>> every step of the way, and has never capitulated to pressure, or succumbed
>> to greed or personal ego, to say the least.  The review, if anything, has
>> in many ways echoed the sentiments openly and honestly expressed, and
>> debated in this and other forums, including Gainako, I think.
>>
>> In conclusion, I want to assure you that Dr. Saine's views on this and
>> many other political issues surrounding The Gambia, are mostly, if not all
>> the time, on solid grounds, such that not you or Janneh ....to borrow a
>> line from brethren Modou Mboge " the enabler", can refute. Therefore, to
>> suggest that Dr. Saine "made a mistake" by standing up for his friends
>> (OJs) is just not supported by a thread of fact. On the conversely, to
>> suggest that Dr. Janneh made a mistake by lobbying and eventually accepting
>> Yaya's appointment does not hold an atom bit of water. He knew what he was
>> doing ( Mens rea), sought for it and jumped (Actus reus) on it when he was
>> provided with the opportunity. Dream come true, right?
>>
>> "Beh Kajjum"
>>
>> Pa. S. Kujabi.
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>>  *From:* Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 26, 2013 12:57 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Standing Against Injustice:Review by Professor Saine
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I thought Dr. Saine's review of "Standing
>>
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