For much of the world and I believe many in the US its not about how bad Assad have acted over the past 2 yrs but what authority do we (the US and the rest of the world) have to "punish" him? Will "punishing" stop further bloodshed? Malanding On 8/29/2013 11:02 AM, Husainou wrote: > Sir LBD I profoundly honor your opinion but from I read and heard the > weapon used against those people was nothing more than chemical weapon. > Hous > > > > > On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > >> Hous >> I don't know what was used against "those poor defenceless >> civilians", and so I await the informed verdict of UN mandated >> investigators. >> LJDarbo >> >> *From:* Husainou <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> *To:* [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 29 August 2013, 14:04 >> *Subject:* Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria >> >> Well somebody used chemical weapon against those poor defenseless >> civilians. All fingers are pointing at Assad's regime who is among >> few nations that still have stockpiles of such deadly weapons.Those >> rebels don't have the resources to maintain chemical weapons . Right >> now Assad is desperate , he will do anything to keep him in power. >> Hous >> >> >> >> On Aug 29, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >>> Saiks, and Alieu >>> Your short reactions are not doing justice to the topic, but I am >>> with you for there is something quite profound in your takes. If >>> time permits, you should consider full length essays on this crucial >>> topic. >>> The geopolitical calculations over this region are immense, and so >>> far, there is no convincing evidence that Assad indeed used the >>> alleged chemical weapons. A CNN anchor suggested to a so-called >>> political science professor (Arab national) out of Dubai that it is >>> indeed plausible for the chemical weapons to be supplied by >>> countries such as Saudi Arabia, and others opposed to Assad. His >>> response was that the rebels would not use such weapons against >>> their own people. And he calls himself a political science professor! >>> The chemical weapons issue is quite complicated and there are a >>> number of possibilities over who could have been behind its alleged >>> use. If chemical weapons are like bullets, I wonder if it is >>> possible to track the origin of the type used in this alleged attack >>> in Syria. Any views, Kejau, and Khaleel? >>> More fundamentally, another issue for me is why so much emphasis on >>> the alleged use of a weapon that killed 2000 max in a war where an >>> estimated 100,000 perished. Is this not baffling, and why the huge >>> global arsenal of chemical and nuclear weapons? >>> I'm glad the democratic system in the UK forced a climb down by >>> David Cameron yesterday. >>> In the domestic arena, there is no question whatsoever that the US >>> and the UK are among the preeminent democracies of modern times, >>> with governmental systems based on restraint grounded in the rule of >>> law and the separation of powers. There is no such routine respect >>> for legality when it comes to international affairs. Over the past >>> several days, the UK Foreign Secretary consistently argues that with >>> or without the authorisation of the UN Security Council, they will >>> move against Assad. This is quite troubling in the sense they set up >>> the veto and permanent membership system of the Security Council. It >>> is vital that they operate within the constraints of that system, >>> and not use its awesome powers as a double-edged sword. None of >>> these leaders would dare contemplate in the domestic sphere what >>> they are advocating in international affairs! >>> At the very least, the prudent thing to do is wait for the report of >>> the UN mandated weapons inspectors, and in the words of the >>> Secretary General, "give peace a chance" in that process. >>> If the US goes in today, the UK will not join in for a few more >>> days, if at all. I celebrate UK democracy for insisting on >>> verifiable transparency >>> LJDarbo >>> >>> *From:* samateh saikou <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, 29 August 2013, 12:20 >>> *Subject:* Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria >>> >>> K, >>> Just droping few Lines,East Timor and Siera leone conflicts ended >>> not as result of militAry intervension likewise Sudan.the Un has/had >>> a peace mission in the first two,one of which you Your self >>> participated with A full Un mandate not only making it a legal >>> action,but in world opinion too very ligitimate.see i Am not a >>> pasifist ,in my response to brother khaleel i will forward the >>> reason given by Obama as to why he need to act on Syria >>> >>> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:51:45 +0200 >>> From: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria >>> To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> >>> Thanks Saiks. >>> As brother Demba said, the results are determined mainly by the >>> nationals and not the liberation aiders. Sierra Leone, East Timor, >>> Sudan, came to mind as success stories. >>> Kejau >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Mobile >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: samateh saikou <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> Date: >>> To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria >>> >>> >>> Brother Khaleel,thanks,so much sense in what you said it will be >>> difficult to respond to you but I will try later in the day. Kejau, >>> what for me is liberation might be very much different from >>> yours,which is also ok.One thing is certain,I dont believe that it >>> is the duty and responsibility of one nation to liberate another >>> nation,for me there will be no liberation based on the desire of the >>> people.There is no force on earth that can resist the will of the >>> people.The mighty fascist Soviet Union was pulled down to the ground >>> by people without guns or bullet,if it can happen there,it can >>> happen anywhere on this earth. I dont believe that the people of >>> Irag,Libya or Afghanistan have been liberated.Let me tell you one >>> thing,if the US or Senegal,or any nation offer me to liberate Gambia >>> with results of Irag ,Libya or Afghanistan,I will say no thanks,let >>> Jammeh rule. >>> For Freedom >>> Saiks >>> >>> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:45:55 +0200 >>> From: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria >>> To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> >>> Thank you Khalleel, >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Mobile >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Khaleel Jameel <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> Date: >>> To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria >>> >>> >>> >>> Saiks, >>> >>> Asad’s guilt or innocence in the recent chemical attacks on his own >>> people could have been determined from jump by working with the >>> international agencies to investigate cause and responsibility for >>> that heinous crime. But of course who is going to extend his/her >>> hands to shake another if your hands are covered with dirt during a >>> search for a grave digger? U.S never blessed Saddam to use chemical >>> weapons back in 1988 or so. It could be argued that someone in that >>> administration has to know that they were going to use it prior to >>> them executing that mission. I would certainly not reference >>> wikilinks in a serious conversation, and of course key word here is I. >>> >>> You are right; I will never consider war to be a solution to any >>> situation. U.S invasion of Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq did not make >>> those countries a developed country but has arguably not made them >>> any worst. Like Demba mentioned, these countries were liberated and >>> given a chance. How they choose to run their country from that point >>> have a lot to do with their concept, commitment to their people and >>> the rule of law. >>> >>> I don’t honestly see Syria being any different but would you rather >>> the world sit back and watch the massacre and slaughter of innocent >>> citizens of Syria? U.S. is indeed doing a lot of supporting of many >>> organizations openly and privately however; so is many other >>> countries in the world. Does that make it ok? Hell no. Did you see >>> how much Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Jordan combined gave to Egypt? >>> Ridiculous I’m thinking. >>> >>> It is my believe that there is no morality in war. When one nation >>> comes to the conclusion to fight another nation for whatever reason, >>> humanity and morality failed utterly. I believe that every war is >>> futile when compared to the senseless massacre of human lives. U.S >>> however has lost both money and lives of their brave men and women >>> in defense of many nations across the globe and I commend them for >>> that. It only shows their tenacity for freedom to prevail and they >>> demonstrated time and time that they will make the ultimate >>> sacrifice for any nation. Are they always right; no. Is it necessary >>> at times; I will say yes but don't beat me up bad. >>> Khaleel >>> >>> >>> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 23:47:41 +0200 >>> From: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria >>> To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> >>> Saiks. >>> I wonder how you can say the US invaded those countries even after >>> helping those countries people to remove dictatorship. Do you meant >>> to say UK also invaded Sierra Leone? >>> Kejau >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Mobile >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: samateh saikou <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> Date: >>> To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria >>> >>> >>> I will be happy to know how one is certain that Asad is responsible >>> .lets look at the following facts too.in may a un inspector claimed >>> that it was the rebels who did the c-attact >>> ,which was the original case, few days ago we have been reading >>> leaks docs from weakilinks that Sadam with the blessiing of the US >>> did use it,Now we all know what happened in Faluja,right,which means >>> there are nations who have no right to talk about moral > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact > the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤