Joe, Thanks for your observations. Best, Mboge On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Mbodge, I am in agreement with you. I also do know that PDOIS and other > political parties are averse to direct action/confrontation with the Yaya > gang, just like some politicians in the black community in the US were > averse to direct confrontation with the powers that be back in the sixties. > However, at some point those who sought change through peaceful means > cannot continue to be at the mercy of their abuser. That is how the ANC and > other liberation movements shifted gears to up the ante. Our struggle has > got to that stage. Yes, if PDOIS believes that they do not want to be > responsible for life and limb of citizens in such a scenerio, I do > understand. Having said that, they need to leave those that think they had > enough to find other means necessary. I do belive that is where many of us > fit, and certainly what pushed Pa Samba and DUGA to act and more of us need > to do that, expecially those of us who live in countries where there are > laws and protection from state sponsored murders. I have been preaching > this to my colleagues in the struggle. The groups that could stop the abuse > of our people are the military and the opposition groups. However, those > that need to act in the military are already bought and sold. The political > parties needed to develop militancy within their ranks to hedge against the > excesses of the state. They know that is what is needed, but choose > otherwise. > > I heard that either this week or last Ousainou was called in for > "Questioning" by the NIA and the UDP militants accompanied him and flooded > the NIA premesis. After sometime the NIA wanted to clear the yard and > urged the people to leave, for they just want to have a chat with Ousainou. > Word has it that the people refused to leave without Ousainou. The NIA may > be dumb but they are not stupid. They know they can open a lid that they > are not equiped to close. They let Ousainou go. Now, how come the UDP > leadership did not do that all these decades to protect innocent > individuals? So, it is not a question that do do not know what they need to > do. At some point a party must read the tealeaves for what it presents and > not what they wish it to be. Collective resistance is what is required. Two > decades will test any patience and the people have enough. The logical > conclusion to Yaya is an armed struggle, for he has no intension of > listening much less leaving. > > Regards, > > Joe > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:54:04 +0200 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] Fwd: (No subject) > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > "PDOIS's struggle must be link to the struggles of the young people; it > must be link to the struggles of the Diaspora Gambians, and indeed it must > be link to the struggles of all people who want to contribute to the > evolution of a democratic culture and plurality in the Gambia. > The second phase of their struggle must find a way and the method to do > this. > -Rene" > > Rene, > > Your above statement needs reflection by the PDOIS folk. Indeed, some > sections of the diaspora must be listened to and engaged with (here i am > not talking about the rabid and false posturers already using this > editorial to have a go at Halifa). There are many who simply and genuinely > want PDOIS to succeed and these people agree in principle with the party's > approach to things Gambian. > > I for one, I totally disagree with those folk who keep castigating the > opposition on the ground in the way they do things. I equally think that > it is false to state that the opposition parties on the ground are afraid, > or not doing enough about the madness in Gambia or that their leadership > are selfish as some in the diaspora continue to insinuate. For me on every > pertinent issue both the UDP and PDOIS are doing what they could in context > of what they deem fit. Perhaps they could do more, I am in no position to > say. I appreciate what they are doing in their capacity to bring democracy > and sanity in the Gambia. PDOIS are as relevant as ever in our political > landscape. > > In the struggle to rid Gambia off President Jammeh and his enablers, I > will not urge the opposition to do what I am not ready and willing to do in > this present time. I am against the some of the violence some diasporans > are calling for to remove Jammeh granted that President Jammeh has been > using violence in all its shape and form since 1994. I urge those who > really believe that they are more patriotic and willing to die for their > beloved land to pack up and go to Gambia and confront Jammeh and his goons > in the manner they urging the opposition on the ground to do. After all we > are all adults and we claim not to be controlled by anybody. We have equal > stake as the opposition leaders and we should not wait for them to do > anything on our behalf. Many have claimed to be as educated, sophisticaed, > connected or even more than the 'weak and ineffectual' opposition leaders > on the ground. I say go forth and do what you have to do. > > That said, direct action such as the DUGA act in DC is legitimate, > relevant and useful in this struggle especially where the rule of law exist > to a certain degree such as the USA. One must be reminded that Martin > Luther King Jr's great historic march in Washingston never occurred in a > vacuum or sponteneously. There were many small direct action protests they > the Civil Rights Activists carried out that made them visible and > ultimately gave the courage to stage such the historic I HAVE A DREAM march > which without a doubt jolted the US authorities. Small actions by Rosa > Parks and the everyday resistances of ordinary folk made it possible for > King and X to confront the government, thus it is uncalled for to ridicule > others actions which hey carry out responsibly. > > Indeed, Halifa used direct action tactic on that ELECTION DAY against > Jawara just to inspire people and to make them not to be afraid of their > leaders. Coach Pa Samba must have learned from that. What Halifa did on > that day had symbolic meaning and dismantled the mysticism surrounding > Jawara. To me the DUGA folks are no political novices, these people knew > and calculated their actions which was in my view to generate attention on > the serious situation in the Gambian. It was a success. I hope the > momentum continues. > > Direct action inspired the Y'EN MARRE youth in Senegal to take on the Wade > government and without a doubt the youth in Senegal forced the opposition > in the end to rally together and find a political solution to the > Senegalese problem. These direct actions took place both in Senegal and in > the diaspora. We are reminded of Sulayman Jules Diop's action against Wade > in Chicago. It had a major impact in Senegal and beyond. > > The oppostion parties in Senegal knew they would have died a natural death > if they stood on the sidelines and watch the then Wade government continue > with their violence against its citizen. I hope DUGA's action is > replicated everywhere Gambia has embassies or such offices. If we cannot > protest peacefully in the Gambia without being killed or arrested then we > should be able to do it in places where rule of law and human rights is to > some extent respected. We should be supported or left alone. > > Foroyaa which is obviously controlled by PDOIS erred on this editorial, > period. > > Best, > Mboge > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rebadjan <[log in to unmask]> > To: gambia-l <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Sat, Oct 12, 2013 6:57 am > > > "If the DC Embassy action can be called EMOTIONAL AND INEFFECTUAL ONE > WONDERS WHAT WAS HALIFA SALLAH'S ACTION all about AGAINST > PRESIDENTJAWARA AT ROCKSY CINEMA ON AN ELECTION DAY DURING THE FIRST > REPUBLIC." > > Mboge, I was there and walking behind Halifa. This editorial is > definitely uncalled for. Judging by the reactions on facebook and the > publicity this has generated, it has arouse a deep sense of ownership to a > lot of people. The gesture is symbolic and is in the tradition of a civil > rights activism that still has currency. > > PDOIS's struggle must be link to the struggles of the young people; it > must be link to the struggles of the Diaspora Gambians, and indeed it must > be link to the struggles of all people who want to contribute to the > evolution of a democratic culture and plurality in the Gambia. > > The second phase of their struggle must find a way and the method to do > this. > > Rene > いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search > in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the > List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい > > > いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search > in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the > List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい > いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the > List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい > いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい