Sure Burama you are more than welcome!  I was simply responding to brother
Saiks observations that you were signing off as Secretary of *The People's
Movement for Democratic Gambia which I assume has other members at this
time. *Are we to assume that this is an individual organization and NOT one
that belongs to any Gambians interested even though you may have originated
the idea. NO?  Was that article/opinion written on your own behalf or on
behalf of the Movement?. The assumption here is that 'The people's Movement
for Democratic Gambia' is an entity. That was a simple Observation but If
we are wrong I personally apologize.

I look forward to speaking with you.

Thanks Demba


On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Demba
>
> What has me forming CSO has anything to do with my opinion on how public
> officials used the resources of such offices for personal gain. Did I apply
> for visas on the name of that organization and stuff in none parties to
> that trip to secure them visa? Or did I use any resource of the nation for
> personal gains? Have I labelled my name on a wrong capacity?  What's my
> wrong?
>
> Read my article. I choose not to respond to Mr. Samateh because the
> questions were not relevant to the subject of my article. The bulk of it is
> talk about my party - I don't have one. In fact am not sure I can call
> myself a member of one.
>
> Equating me to UDP UK email debate is wrong. You might think am new on the
> L but that doesn't make me new to anything Gambian politics. In addition I
> have followed the UDP UK email debate but it never interest me to be
> involve.
>
> Its my civil right to form and/or join any group of my choice. In fact I
> don't know how my article is related to my so CSO.
>
> Whether is an CSO and the concept behind - I intend to discuss that on air
> with you. Hope to make some time soon to come on air.
>
> Burama
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:38 PM, dbaldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> That is an interesting response brother Saiks. I think Burama is some how
> new on the L, else he would have read the dialogue with Daffeh using UDP UK
> as a signature. It is true though Burama keep talking about detaching
> personality from our politics and here he is forming a Democratic civil
> society group that can only be associated with him publicly. Pretty typical
> of many Gambian political groups. Whatever happened to Ghandhi's "Be the
> change you want to see" good night..
>
> Demba
>
>
> From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: samateh saikou <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 01/28/2014 5:39 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] The So Called Visa Saga - A Mirror Image Of A People
>
>
>
> Brother Burama,
>
> I am a very angry man right now, you see Arsenal should have won this
> march tonight and they were just like sh............let me just stop there before
> having a break down.
>
> I  know I can release  this anger on you because you will have the
> patient to reason with me since your party will one day need my vote. You
> wrote ;
>
> "The so-called Yaya Jallow/UDP visa saga is an interesting one. This
> wasn't the first time for such rumors. I don't know any specifics about it.
> However I am Gambian enough to know there is truth to it somewhere..."
>  And then  you signed  off as the " Founder/General Secretary  The
> People's Movement for Democracy"
>
> Observing and judging  based only on your personal opinion and  or been
> "Gambian enough"
>
>  *My* *question*, is the party your private property and thus have the
> liberty to comment on the internal party issue of  a sister political
> party ,based on personal opinion,is this not misusing your position in the
> party, the same thing you are accusing other political parties, past and
> present ,of doing ?
>
> Second point, the heading ; " The So Called Visa Saga - A Mirror Image Of
> A People " do you really understand the implications of such a statement ?
> Look 90 percent of Gambians are neither political leaders or  Bureaucrats
>  and or with the power to  use their position for  political or economic
> gains, they are simply hard working people struggling to survive under very
> difficult  condition and you keep on telling us:  "Generally speaking an
> average Gambian uses his public position for personal benefits through
> nepotism, economic gains and/or political favors. "  I serious don't like
> my politicians to have such an attitude towards my people, the majority of
> Gambians are sincere people, the few nepotist you know are even less than a
> fraction of the Gambian people ,they are not representative and nepotism is
> not even Gambian but human. You find it in every country and in every
> political world on this earth. Here in Norway you are told right in your
> face that the easiest way to get a job is through networking and in the
> Gambia this is what we call nepotism. I am made to understand that the US
> ambassador to Norway came to know the Obamas through his fund raising drive
> for the first Obama election campaign and he was surprised  when he was
> asked  if he was interested to be an ambassador, I understand he was
> never in politics. That nepotism is a  problem ,yes it is, that we should
> fight against it ,yes we should, is it Gambian, no ,it is human. Are
> "average Gambians nepotistic ,no they are not.
>
> I believe that members of your political party are Gambians, and if it is
> true that nepotism  is embedded in the Gambian character, then start
> first in your party, clean it and let me know or you have don't that
> already ?
>
> Have a nice sleep,sure I  am interested in joining you to fight nepotism.
>
> For Freedom
>
> saiks
>
> > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:42:33 -0500
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [G_L] The So Called Visa Saga - A Mirror Image Of A People
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > The so-called Yaya Jallow/UDP visa saga is an interesting one. This
> wasn't the first time for such rumors. I don't know any specifics about it.
> However I am Gambian enough to know there is truth to it somewhere. That
> said I intend not weigh on it. Instead I want to stretch the situation to
> what I consider the bigger picture of who we're as people.
> >
> > Generally speaking an average Gambian uses his public position for
> personal benefits through nepotism, economic gains and/or political favors.
> In part this is a big chunk of our struggle against poor governances. More
> disturbing is the repeated dark cloud hanging over some senior members of
> opposition whom we hope to entrust the destiny of our nation should we
> succeed in defeating Yahya. Isn't these what Jawara did with national
> resources? Isn't these what Yahya doing? How and why can/should we expect
> anyone else be different if everything else remained but removing/replacing
> the president?
> >
> > It's no secret in Gambia officials trips be used to include passports of
> none parties to such trips in the visa applications. These are done to help
> family member9s) (nepotism), or economic gains (Dalasis) and/or politics
> (party affiliation). Equally senior members of some opposition parties were
> accused of the same practices.
> >
> > I know the meaning of foreign visa to an average Gambian and/or his/her
> family. My argument is not about that. We will debate that at another time
> weather everything goings to secure a foreign visa. It's simply wrong
> (legally, morally and ethically) for the weight of public office be used as
> such. Hence if we call ourselves agents of change it should not only
> reflect in our words but more important in our deeds/actions.
> >
> > My concern! How can we be convince those vying for the presidency will
> be any difference from their predecessors if they are wrongly using their
> current public positions for wrong purposes? What would they do if they're
> in the presidency?
> >
> > Fast forward! My argument for an institutional democracy even stronger!
> Lets not anchor our hope on an individual and/or a group of few to be our
> saviors. Lets organize/mobilize as much of our citizens to demand 'a people
> center democracy' anchored on functioning institutions. With that it
> wouldn't matter so much who is in charge as it would what systems governed
> his/her actions.
> >
> > To be true to our cause I urge all those accused of such actions make
> public their party official trip itinerary and visa applications. If there
> is no wrong doing the debate will close itself in the court of public
> opinion but more importantly they will pass over some of our mischiefs. In
> addition they will take another step to prove they're worthy alternatives
> to what currently obtained. After all political parties were supposed to be
> public institutions hence very important to be directly accountability to
> such public.
> >
> > Again I am not weighing on this particular case because I have no
> knowledge; instead my concern is its implications on our overall goal.
> >
> > My thoughts!
> >
> > Burama FL Jammeh
> >
> > Founder/General Secretary
> > The People's Movement for Democratic Gambia
> >
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> > Skype.com/bfljammeh
> > 810 844 6040
> >
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