Burama, There is NOT single method of getting rid of Yahya Jammeh and his government. It has to be a combination of methods to not only remove his government in power but also restore Gambia into sanity... That is why you will never get an answer to your question.. so literally you are searching for something that is not there... Join the search and a viable option and certainly your bullet plans will not get us there either... Sometimes you act as if there is normalcy in Gambia and that you are dealing with a sane individual. Will come back later.. Demba On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Demba > > My question still remained unquestioned. How do we remove Yahya. > > As difficult and complicated as you suggest - we should be able to tell > one and another how it is done. Point is not a plan but to facilitate > understanding of the sequence of the readers. > > Am not dismissing anyone - I just said it is the underlying problem we > have to cut off otherwise nothing will lead us to the ultimate goal. If > Yahya is believed to be the underlying problem - tell us how we take him > on. Complaining and blaming him is not going to do it > > I am perfectly fine with the removal of Yahya except no body has come out > with a viable action plan to do it. > > Unless you changed your mind you and me agreed elections are dead end as > it is and we've publicly said we are not going to fight. > > So what now? Am on your side but I want to hear tangibles - 20 years and > counting. > > To me this is a legitimate question to challenge each other not to be > dismissive but to finding answers so we can move on. > > I have not seen anything wrong asking self hard questions. > > Regards > > Burama > > On Monday, March 10, 2014, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Burama, >> >> There is no silver bullet to addressing our political, social and >> economic problems in the Gambia. To dismiss what others are doing and >> thinking that one's position is the only solution is at best naive. Every >> single time you post you are sounding more like a Jammeh apologist. Yes >> there are problems in Gambia... BUT Jammeh is the nucleus of the problem. >> >> To say that people making noise is not making any difference is simply >> not true. Everything you hear coming from Jammeh's mouth is as a result of >> insecurity and frustration from his opposition. Who said making noise does >> not make any difference in bringing down a dictator? Do you understand or >> have you witnessed how dictators were and are being swept from power? What >> Gambian are doing is agitating, educating, enlightening and documenting >> what is happening in Gambia. This is no small measure and to think it >> doesn't make any difference is lack of understanding of how struggles for >> freedom work. >> >> I think instead of searching for a common platform to come together and >> find a difficult solution to an ALREADY IDENTIFIED problem, being >> dismissive is simply counter productive...We are dealing with a life and >> death situation in Gambia. >> >> To dismiss the most peaceful and viable democratic option of removing a >> leader through elections and turn around and suggest a democratic process >> that may last 100 years to attain or never on this planet is simply an >> academic and unrealistic exercise. So again I suggest we try to find a >> common or parallel platform and work for change in Gambia... >> >> No amount of bullet points can get us to where we need to go... so let's >> recognize the efforts that are being made, add our practical ideas and join >> the fight.. To be honest it is simply inconsiderate to come out every day >> and dismiss the efforts Gambians are doing to change the situation in the >> Gambia... Change has to begin with Jammeh and his likes removal from ruling >> our nation... we can then begin..A collection of different methods will >> lead to Jammeh's removal and efforts to rebuild... >> >> Thanks >> >> Demba >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >> Suntou >> >> The question is as clear - how do we stop persecution of UDP supporters? >> >> I want to here from you and any other - what do we do? At the panel there >> was no answer. So far you make lots of points but failed to answer. >> >> This failures of us coming with answers, if analyse deeply lies lots if >> issues with our understanding of the problem we're with. >> >> I stretched the above question to what do you propose as concrete actions >> to confront Yahya. It will be helpful you give bullet points A-Z. >> >> Again the rest of it is inconsequential to my subject. I will avoid wild >> goose chase as much as I can. >> >> Regards >> >> Burama >> >> >> On Monday, March 10, 2014, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Burama >> *"When we say Yahya Jammeh, we mean, his entire infrastructure, enablers >> and benefactors. Yahya Jammeh is now an institution, not one man." Suntou* >> >> Burama, Actually we are not making a good enough noise. Which tyrant and >> dictator can you point out that like noise? If we can make a loud enough >> noise, you will see Jammeh dismantling every fibre of his core tyrannical >> circle. Hence, our efforts are constraint because we fail to confront what >> is curtailing our rights to discuss issues within the landscape of the >> Gambia. >> >> The UDP for instance, gets its members arrested because they have set up >> a task force that will not be making loud noise in the media, but that will >> focus on the people, meet them in their compounds and homes, directly >> talking with them, listening to why they continue to side with the dictator >> and what they will want done to resolve the dictatorship. Among that, core >> party issues are highlighted areas of improvement discuss. What is the >> dictator doing, arresting people conducting private meetings, in private >> homes. >> So do you think theorising the problem will solve it? Hell know. We have >> to be prepared to stand up to Jammeh, he is the mole and we have to remove >> it. Without that, any idea, however fabulous it is, will be a mere theory. >> Burama, let us assume all that you have factored is keenly listen to and we >> said, yes, let us agree to what Burama has tabled. The bigger difficulty >> will be how do we implement it, not in cyberspace or Diaspora, but in the >> Gambia.. >> >> Any idea which pose a threat to Jammeh is treated as hostile, either the >> law is use or the security forces to criminalise it. Now the platform we >> are mounting to speak is even made illegal. Lasana Jobarteh is being >> prosecuted because he only facilitated a skype call...The problem here is >> Yahya Jammeh and the infracsruture he created, which includes educated >> Gambians like you, who have chosen to excell by helping him terrorise us. >> We have to be prepared to confront the situation. This is the end game. >> A friend of mine just came from holiday, and he said to me last night >> "everyone here know the problem. if people can trust that, their is no >> third ear, they will rant at the situation on the ground." Dictatorship is >> the man who make it impossible for civilise dialogue to take place, he then >> turn stooges and sycophants and self-interest seeking elites to help him >> conduct his criminal act.' Whatever we say, those people will stand up >> Yahya Jammeh, and they will jail anyone who threatens their interest >> alongside that of Yahya Jammeh. >> The 14 UDP youths arrested was done on the orders of APRC big wigs, which >> was later filtered to Yahya Jammeh, he approves the unlawful acts of the >> police alongside the APRC political activist in Kombo. So, *when we say >> Yahya Jammeh, we mean, his entire infrastructure, enablers and benefactors. >> Yahya Jammeh is now an institution, not one man. * >> Thanks >> SUntou >> >> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >> Suntou >> >> What do you propose we do? 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