I think karim is being unfair to Suntou. Actually I did not know that I was reading Suntou until I reached the concluding signature with his name. Suntou was spot on in his take on the PPP and regarding its place in contemporary Gambian politics. I attended the PPP's New York meeting to hear what the veteran stalwarts had to say and I can say that BB was utterly disappointing and boring for the most part of his speech. OJ on his part was more contemporary as is credit to his involvement in some ways in todays politics in the Gambia. I give credit to the PPP trio in their efforts to revive their party and wish them good luck. On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:03 PM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Karim > > >I recognise nothing approaching intellectual dishonesty in my views about the PPP, and I am not comparing the party with the Professor's APRC. However, I have nothing against the passing of the PPP and there is no way it can ever again become a force in Gambian politics, the fantasy notwithstanding. I am eternally grateful for the party's overthrow in 1994, and that is reflected in my public views > > >As far as I am concerned, party politics is better played out in The Gambia. The Diaspora is significant but for different reasons, and the PPP has not held a house meeting, much more a rally in 20 years. > > >Karim, there is no family reason for opposing the PPP. Indeed my father was among the principal sponsors of Kombo South's last PPP MP, Mbemba Jatta. Relationship between father and son over the PPP used to be tense and we eventually reached a settlement that I would remain trenchant in my opposition and that my father could sing the party's praises from outer space. My entire clan supported the PPP, but the party was never for me. No regrets at all that it vacated Gambian public space forever > > > > >LJDarbo >On Tuesday, 29 April 2014, 21:26, abdoukarim sanneh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >Lamin >I have been following your critical analysis and have witnesses your impartial judgement of citizens such as Karmo Alieu Bojang. Lamin your critical observations about PPP was when you are in the diaspora and those I am in the Gambia. . You are a sponsor Manager with Action Aid before leaving for further education in United States. I was working in Gambia when we are all critical about PPP. Lamin if we cannot be honest narrating both the negative and postive of PPP certainly it will be classic case of intellectual dishonesty. You are not in Gambia In hay day of PPP but can you acknowledged PPP and the present madness.? What is your problem Lamin with PPP? Is family matters or you want to strengthen the hand of the devil? Lamin let us focus our actions on pluralistic politics. The public services which you and me envisage to return should be free favouritist partisan politics. > > >>________________________________ >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 20:26:08 +0100 >From: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: The PPP Debate; Former VP BB Darboe Reacts to Gainako's reporting >To: [log in to unmask] > > >I listened to BB's audio on Gainako and must state for the record that both your reporting and analysis of what he said and meant cannot be faulted. > > >On one of the controversial issues, i.e., "chickens coming home to roost", your analysis was spot on. BB was complaining about the "elites" ignoring the plight of the PPP in the early days and how that resulted in the extra-judicial seizure of the party's properties in Banjul and Brikama. This was the party in power for over three decades and it was in such a state of typical disarray it could not even venture the judicial route to assert its property rights. Clearly, BB's complaint is misplaced! > > >Fast-forward to the present and "chickens coming home to roost" is BB's contextual contention that the extra-judicial victims of public lawlessness today deserve their plight as if it was their responsibility to protect a toothless and vision-less governing party. BB cannot deny this and the proper thing to do is accept he misspoke and move on. > > >As he suggested to me recently on another forum, Karim would of course argue the courts are useless but the counterpoint is that the PPP made no effort at all. > > >Your Part I coverage was too charitable to the PPP but you sufficiently redeemed yourself when you were in your admirable analytical element in Part II. > > >Excellent informative job overall > > > > > > >LJDarbo >On Tuesday, 29 April 2014, 19:30, abdoukarim sanneh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >Thanks Demba and your acknowledgement beyond so-called framing. We Gambian should value pluralism and so called revival of PPP framing from suntou touray if it most represent ignorance the remarks as partisan nature and have challenge him to UDP and his mentor leadet Ousainou Darboe. He is so called leader whose executive members have been are in jailed under the pretext of bogus charges and this a party which change with its landscape of supported through positive action-peace demonstration to generate a political momentum. LLet Suntou Touray to stop hypocrisy because mi ser only Ousainou Darboe and the rest is within their so called framing with dangerous people and their individual just to strengthen the hand of the devil. > > >>________________________________ >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:03:16 -0700 >From: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: The PPP Debate; Former VP BB Darboe Reacts to Gainako's reporting >To: [log in to unmask] > > >Absolutely Karim... BB's rejoinder was more than welcome and that is why we publish it and attached the audio version so the readers too can listen again and formulate their own opinion. As you rightly said it was reporting and analysis of what I thought I heard. The records are there for all to review and analyse. We just took the opportunity to write what many may observe but only discuss in private thus the essence of the public forum. > > >Thanks for the comments. > >Demba > > > >On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 2:25 AM, abdoukarim sanneh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >Demba >>Your piece as you dated is an analysis and certainly my knowledge of analytical in academia can be constructive and deconstructive. BB Dabo have the right to make a rejoinder if he feels his views are deconstructed in your narrative framing of views in the preceeding of Seatle meeting. >> >> >>>>________________________________ >>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 12:25:39 -0700 >>From: [log in to unmask] >> >>Subject: Re: The PPP Debate; Former VP BB Darboe Reacts to Gainako's reporting >>To: [log in to unmask] >> >> >>Thanks Suntou. As vindictive as the Jammeh regime is to many, it is important to put things into perspective. I absolutely welcome the resurrection of the PPP and their rights to publicly defend the party's records especially against the Jammeh regime. I hope that the PPP leadership will create new faces for the PPP especially encouraging women leaders to lead the party. >> >> >>As much as that is palatable we must accurately what happened and how we ended up where we are at. Our history cannot be written without the PPP and they so rightfully have a stake in Gambia's political future. Matter of fact their simple announcement of reentry into the arena sent some chilling messages to the level of them bring accused of wanting to snatch away other party supporters. >> >> >>Again, my position was to attempt to set the record straight as I saw it and from what I got out of BB and OJ's speeches in Seattle. I like the idea of taking responsibility for failures as OJ often do and then try to pave a way forward. Unfortunately Uncle BB does not want to go that far at least not publicly.. The excuse that at the time issues like term limits were not common and therefore the PPP did not see the need to institute was simply a lack of democratic vision for a future Gambia. Certainly having one party or person lead a nation for 30 years was a mistake... >> >> >>Thanks for the rejoinder >> >> >>Demba >> >> >> >>On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 9:14 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>Demba >>>I am totally baffled by BB's reaction to the fine piece by Gainako. In actual fact, you have been very charitable to the PPP and the so-called revival for that matter. >>>PPP could have taken certain course of action when they were banned. Among them: 1. challenge the banning of the party in court, in as much as the Judge at the time may be bias, it will be on the records. >>>2. The PPP could have mobilise its supporters to stand with the party and decline the banning. >>> >>> >>>3. Demba, the PPP ruled and govern the Gambia for 30 years, I mean, 30yrs not months, or weeks, but years. Yet collapse without a fight. In 30 years, the PPP could have had a plan B and plan C of undermining the coup, but there was no plan, nothing, yet our elder BB a man with immense credibility and credential continue to insist that, the blame lies on Gambians or other opposition parties is baffling. We are picking the pieces still of PPP's lavk of plan B. >>> >>> >>>4. Demba, BB Darboe is not a lazy intellectual, after the coup, he went back to University to earn himself a law Degree. However, BB should have known that, a single political party (PPP) that dominated our country's politics for 3 decades will not readily get any sympathy from Gambians, because they should foresee all the pitfalls having a disgruntled military breeds. >>> >>> >>>BB's opinion is no different to few former big wigs. They are indirectly telling us that, the political parties that came out after the coup should have decline to participate in election with the APRC because the PPP was banned unfairly. This is the 2 decades of bitterness some former PPP heads are harboring. They blame the UDP, NRP, PDOIS and GMC. >>>Demba, once people taste political power, it is the grave that quench their taste for prominence, power and influence. The former PPP Ministers are no different. >>> >>> >>> However, will Gambians look at them twice in our modern era? An era that saw the emergence of all sorts of caliber of Gambians, different interest groups, personalities etc? I don't think so, hence, the race for the custodianship of the Gambia will take many twist and turns. The winner takes all is the option we all have to fight against, and that is the option underground groups are working on. The PPP if they can swallow their bitterness, OJ and BB in particular, in any post Jammeh, they may have a seat at the high table. But blaming Gambians for their failures is calamitous political suicide. >>>BB should realize that, no one feels sorry for a dominant outfit. So the sooner he accepts that, the better, if not political players on the ground will continue to distrust the PPP revivalist elements, because what they say and what they do will continue to be deceptive, and this will not help the struggle. >>>Thanks >>>Suntou >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>In the interest of our national discourse I wanted to share some interesting exchanges or perspective with the former Vice President of the Gambia Hon BB Darboe... >>>> >>>> >>>>So in attending PPP's rally in Seattle - Gainako covered the event live and afterwards I put together a report and analysis of what I thought transpired or I got from BB's strong speech. I chronicled this report into two parts with the first having more to do with the actual reportage of what happened... the second portion since we are in the business of news and analysis contains some analysis of substances of the speeches. I thought there were some contradictions in the speeches especially on some key issues; Gambian elites being "Complicit" in helping destroy the PPP, Appointment of Foreign Chief justices to the Supreme Court and education... >>>> >>>> >>>>Hon Darboe reacted strongly to the second portion and with his permission we wanted to share with the wider audience beyond our regular readers who visits the site or listens to the radio... >>>> >>>> >>>>Here are a few links to BB's reaction, our early reportage and a link to the actual audio of his speech... Hope this will give us another opportunity to discuss some issues that are still unsettling about the PPP.. No disrespect whatsoever was intended.. just from a reporter's perspective... >>>> >>>> >>>>http://gainako.com/?p=4923 PART 1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>http://gainako.com/?p=4942 PART 2 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>http://gainako.com/?p=4951 BB'S REACTION >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>https://soundcloud.com/demba-baldeh/bb-darboes-speech-at-the-ppp-meeting-in-seattle >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>>Demba-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>"Be the change you want to see in the World" 、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、 To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] 、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、、 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- 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