Modou Am with you on the parts that featured - our future can't neither be Jawara's nor Yahya's Gambia It has to be a democratic republic. The person and personality issues I humbly excuse myself. One of the best. Burama On Sunday, May 25, 2014, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dishonesty will always continue to be a problem among us. The issues > under discussion here have nothing to do with any of you as individual > members of the security forces. This is not about you and your record Mr. > Chongan, go tell that to those who brought your name in the discussion. > Thinking that by displaying a few names of individuals who have held some > office and position is good enough to defend the credibility of a whole > system is laughable. > The dishonesty is sickening. But none should be surprised, the decadence > of the current system cannot be relied on to pass credence to the previous > rotten system. The Gambia of the future is one that neither seeks to return > to the yester years of Jawara nor is it willing to conform to the present > decadence of the Jammeh administration. Our future demands and deserves > much better than what both kleptocracies could offer. > > > On Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:44 PM, abdoukarim sanneh < > [log in to unmask]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> > wrote: > > > > Kejau > I mentioned Ebrima Chongan because he is a show case example of patriotic > Gambia. He resist against the coup and spend days unending in Mile 2 when > you are dinning with the butcher of Kanillai. Kejau ,when you were in > Jammeh's good books you are critical of activism of Ebrima et al. Lot about > your green snake character is surfacing. > > Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 20:15:30 +0200 > From: [log in to unmask]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> > Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence > To: [log in to unmask]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> > > Col. Chongan. > > Your name was brought up by Sanneh and not me. It was an open secret > that the Gambia Armed Forces was rife with nepotism especially the army. > All senior officers major above were from the urban kombos and that was > fact. > > Kejau > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > -------- Original message -------- > From: abdoukarim sanneh > Date:25/05/2014 19:56 (GMT+01:00) > To: [log in to unmask]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> > Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence > > Ebrima > Thanks for your clarification. Your records as a decent patriotic citizen > who resist against illegal take over is noted. A lot including have > subscribe in strengthen Yaya Jammeh criminality and think people will be > muted in leaving him to rewrite history with dishonesty. > > Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 18:26:57 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> > Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence > To: [log in to unmask]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> > > Kejau > > I am not involved in these exchanges but a point of clarification since > you throw a wide allegation that the people from the rural areas where > sidelined. That's not true tiro Jawneh, Ebrima Camara, Kaba bajo, lang bong > Tamba among others were from the rural areas. I can only speak for myself > and the Gendarmerie was run through meritocracy. > > Just a point of clarification since my name was mentioned. > > Ebrima > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 25 May 2014, at 15:42, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Karim. > > Thanks for your reply. I am sorry, I brought this anger out of you, so > please forgive me for bringing out these facts about your hero, Jawara, but > be rest assured my love for you, your party, PPP is unwavering. > > First, of all, please understand that Jammeh was never my boss, I was in > the police complaints and discipline, after my overseas training, which was > even before my initial training finished, so I never served in any unit > before then. Col. Jagne thought we should never have a Gendarmeries and he > wanted to be the IGP. Jammeh was moved to the army, until he took over > power by force and that was because the Jawara government failed in their > constitutional duty to provide security for Gambians. They failed to do > this, by introducing nepotism everywhere including the armed forces, where > people from the rural areas, including Burufut, Gungur, are sidelined. This > resulted in Banjul/Serekunda and close family controlled Armed Forces. > Eventually, no competent senior officer was left after Ndow resigned his > commission and Jawara had to bring in Nigerians to command and run the > army. This has never been done anywhere in the world and resulted in the > break down of moral, discipline and eventually the coup. > > You should notice that I avoid using the PPP as much as I can as I > believe Jawara single handed run the party as his own and that resulted in > him bigger than the party and the country. So your party was never at fault > and now they are re surfacing, that is a good thing, so come in as one of > your well wishers. This is about Jawara and not the PPP, so let us learn to > differentiate the two. > > Let me know if you need more on this, please. > > Kind regards, > > Kejau > > Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 15:05:43 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence > To: [log in to unmask] > > Kejau > You really need a personality check. Your inconsistent, damn lies > fabrication and sick remarks will continue to hunt you In this forum. Keep > runing like headless chicken.It is better focus your energy on your former > boss which you and your cohort are the creation to his unending madness. > Pretty soon he will be crowned as the king of Gambia. > > Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 11:04:53 +0200 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence > To: [log in to unmask] > > Just because folks are unwilling to name names here on scholarship > nepotism does not mean it did not exist or that corruption did not exist. > Gambia is small and as this narrow exercise imagined by a former Yaya > cabinet minister is no yardstick and serves very little purpose so let us > widen the corruption charges or move on to Yaya Jammeh. Can anyone for > instance name any Yaya minister whose son benefitted for instance, we will > see the absurdity of this exercise. > > KEJAU > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Musa Jeng > Date:25/05/2014 04:23 (GMT+01:00) > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence > > Matarr: > You might as well rest your case: the reality is that scholarships to > university during the Jawara regime were by and large merit driven, and > there was a process in place. The reason why they cannot name one single > person connected to the political class who might have benefited from the > process, clearly an indication that the allegation was from attaya vous > pundits. I am sure that there might have been well connected folks that > maybe got scholarships to institutions seen as reputable, but without a > doubt were equally qualified. > I guess the point that Sidi is really making is that most of the > allegations levelled against the PPP, in regards to corruption were just > that allegations, and even the APRC Govt has never been able to back up > their claims against the Government of the PPP. Now, that is not to say > there were no corruptions in Government departments, but to say that it was > endemic and the PPP Government was in support of it or has never > demonstrated a commitment to fight it, is really a stretched. Especially > now that we are confronted with real corruption and abuse of office, it > does not make sense to even mention perceived corruptions from the Jawara > regime. It somehow gives some justification that what we have now is just a > continuation of the norm, and that is far from the truth. > Thank you > Musa Jeng > > *From: *"Bamba sering Manka Mass" <[log in to unmask]> > *To: *"and, The" <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent: *Friday, May 23, 2014 9:44:59 AM > *Subject: *Re: [G_L] Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence > > Brother kejaw, > The Gambia you know is the Gambia I know with so much corrupted history to > suit who ever tells it. That is why every town or village has radio Kang > kang airwaves. One small lie travels like bushfire and keeps changing tune > as it travels in the air. > But history both wrotten and oral has made life easier for those in the > know. I am a very proud Mandinka though history would have told me outright > that hey you are Susu not Mandinka but what is Susu it self if not part of > the wider Mandinka geonology? > The answer you will find in the Mandinka total hatred of the Susu king > Sumanguru. My ancestors ruled the Mandinka for decades but after their > defeat, Sundiatta tried to irradicate everything Susso and subjected them > to slavery and servitude. These things were never reported by Mandinka > oracle despite the esterblishment of the "Kurugan Fuga" said to fill in a > new sense of democracy. Mandinka oracles would always teach us of nothing > vut the brutalities of Sumanguru nothing else not even his acceptance of > Dankaran Touman as sub king ruling the Mandinkas as autonomous state only > paying tributes to Emperor Sumanguru. > Just to share some of the truth burried because of smearing rumours > amongst Mandinka people since then. Our last generation of Mandinkas even > today rarely refer to Mali rather it is the kaabu empire they talk about > most of the time because Mali fell and Sunghai took over and because our > people then hate to even mention Askia Muhammad Touray king of Sunghai a > Sarahule as ruler. History is beautiful as in the Mandinka clan today, no > one can better claim royalty than I having known who I truly am but this > is beside the point. We are in a democratic world though we may one day > hail HRH king Yahya Jammeh under the royal Jammeh blood. > > --- Original Message --- > > From: "Bamba sering Manka Mass" <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: 24 May 2014 16:09 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence > > Sorry folks I write in a haste thus so many typo errors.x > > --- Original Message --- > > From: "Bamba sering Manka Mass" <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: 24 May 2014 16:02 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence > > Brother Kejaw, > Am not here to name names but some sons and nephews of haters of Jawara on > this forum knows what am talking about. We are no kids we have seens and > heard when some haters of Jawara used to say in mandinka " Hanifoo Faraboo" > those kind of remarks shows their level of ignorance. > Kejaw Gambia is so intermartied. When late Sheriff S Sisay wooed lady > Njemeh for Jawara some Nyaminankas were saying all sort of things. We all > used to hear NCP fanatic saying in Mandinka " NAA NATA ALA WURAY, NING > FARABOO NATA ALA WURAY" things like that but Jawara never killed a soul. > One NCP candidate in the URD used to say fir him to see a Faraboo head the > Gambia is like opening the gates of hell for him. Now sons and nephews if > such ignorance are on the L saying what ever goes in their heads. Who > knows if they've inheritted such ignorances of hated? I know what I am > talking about that is why I follow most cimments but refused to waste my > time to respond. I know what I know.x > > --- Original Message --- > > From: "kejau" <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: 24 May 2014 15:42 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence > > No one is talking here about cast system except Bamba. Gambians rallied > behind Jawara despite his betrayal of his religion and his people. Yet > those sceptical were proven right as he turn out to not so democratic with > them otherwise he would have pass ob the baton and ensure genuine democracy > for his people. > > Kejau. > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > -------- Original message -------- > From: Bamba sering Manka Mass > Date:24/05/2014 16:21 (GMT+01:00) > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence > > Gambia is funny. It is indeed sad that after decades and decades of > independence with so many educated folks around, our nation still has sons > and daughters playing merry go round one circle all the time. > It is an no secret that most of these anti Jawara fanatics are fighting > battles of their fathers, uncles, and relative who have against the PPP for > decades and their bases was nothing other than Jawara's caste background. > So when Jammeh came most of them saw it as an open window to have their > beef sliced and now when they realised Jammeh would never join their camp > and he had even turned against them and everyone hitting all and sundry > with his madness and without discrimination, the same anti Jawara fanatics > still turned their anger against the Man they hated since the formation of > PPP. Simply because of his being from a leather smith family. > In those days most Gambians being so poisoned by their unislamic beliefs > of the caste system were unwilling to accept Jawara whom they perceived to > being of lower status to them. > Who is best in Islam than Prophet Muhammad who history told us was a > product of a Slave woman Hajar? Gambians are funny. Look at Senegal these > outdated divisive and retarded beliefs were long abolished but individuals > who lark proper ideologies would try and never would they stop until they > get their way. That in my view is attacking Allah just like when Firawn > refused to accept Moses and his people were no slaves but humans like him. > Anyone comparing Jawara to Yahya Jammeh is in every human sense guilty of > insulting the Gambian people. Allah says where you humans belittles my > servants is where I show my might. It is even evident in even Yahya > Jammeh's case being the son of a drummer and wrestler but you know Jolas do > not have caste system. If Yahya was a Gambian Mamdinka, he would have been > grilled by his own people. What a pitty. No wonder he is still killing non > stop while we continue to infight amongst ourselves. X > > --- Original Message --- > > From: "suntou touray" <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: 24 May 2014 13:08 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence > > Saikou > I know Sidi Sanneh knows the truth of the matter. Sidi have all the time > in world to respond himself. Ministers and big players then and now hardly > look the African University way. > It is shocking seeing people play around open secrets. What a joke. The > catelogues of unfairness cannot even be audited. It is impossible. Sidi > Sanneh knows the truth, playing politics with it is simply sad at his age > and academic level. > I was reading an Oxford University lecturer quoting Sidi Sanneh yet the > same man is contradicting himself with 'bring forward the proof in an > endemic corrupt institution'. Lets be serious. > The South African truth and reconciliation commission is an example we > need to emulate. Let us accept past wrong doings and look ahead. Failure to > do that will leave us nowhere. The current situation is self evident > calamity... > Thanks Suntou > On 23 May 2014 21:37, "samateh saikou" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Matar , > There is one simple truth here,Jawara and his ministers will never send > their sons or daughters to eatern Europe or Ghana to study.their money and > connections were too advance for that.it was people like your uncle ,the > Koro Sallah,the Bye Sallahs,the Dauda kahs,etc who will go there because > it was Even free to study in these countries then A scholarship borad with > a mikemosr budet will never attract the attention of the then.Jawara > ministers,who spend their summer holidays in western Europe .What people > were saying then,which Sidi sannhet did turn arround,was that 'they send > their kids to study in western Europe " Kan you ask Sidi how many sons or > daughters of the then Jawara regime who applied for schorlaship to Eastern > Europe or Africa . > For freedom > Saiks > > Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 12:31:59 -0700 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence > To: [log in to unmask] > > Nyang, I am not the one to preach morality. You and Suntou keep saying > "as far as I know" but are yet to come up with anything. As far as you > know, which third parties were funding all the students to African > Universities? In regards to "scope" I will ask that you read your first > post when you forwarded this to the L. You and Suntou both came thinking > the evidence is so easily attainable, but when asked to name one, you start > drawing blanks and involved yourselves in muddying the waters. Your call > for au Secours are yet to be a > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤