Which one, Sidia's comment on Fatu radio or the quotation in the newspaper?? On Thursday, 28 August 2014, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > It came from what you wrote that as the biggest opposition party last > round, the others should flock around UDP who will not be subjected to any > convention. You can't spin that any better. > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: UDP United Kingdom > Date:28/08/2014 12:17 (GMT+01:00) > To: [log in to unmask] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> > Subject: Re: We can defeat Jammeh at polls in 2016 - Sidia Jatta on 2016 > Elections > > Really? So why then was Sidia insinuating in Fatu Radio that UDP's > proposal was about party leaders to choose a candidate among themselves > when in fact a UDP candidate is always someone who democratically elected > at the national congress? How about this garbage below, where does that > come from and what is is the point of producing it here if you know it is > not true?? > > ''It should be recalled that at that three days conference held in > Kantora hotel in Banjul, when Halifa Sallah of PDOIS withdrew his > candidature, all the other political parties were invited to invite 12 of > their supporters across the country and they all obliged except UDP who > complaint that they were the biggest political party and the organisers > then told them to invite more, upto 15 but they did not think even that was > good enough for them" > > > On 28 August 2014 10:55, kejau <[log in to unmask] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: > > I am sure you were, but the Pdois leadership did in fact said exactly > what you said. No fact distortion there. The coalition talk should start > now in fact and not wait when it is too late, after all there is not a > more pressing issue than removing tyranny from our country. Just as it is > time to elect Darboe's replacement to give the electorates time to know her > better. > > KR > Kejau > > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: UDP United Kingdom > Date:28/08/2014 11:16 (GMT+01:00) > To: [log in to unmask] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> > Subject: Re: We can defeat Jammeh at polls in 2016 - Sidia Jatta on 2016 > Elections > > Guys, I was only putting the records straight because it looks like > PDIOS leaders still don't know how to live the life of a dignified elder. > They keep distorting facts and misleading people in every step of the way. > The coalition debate is not yet around and when the time comes, you will > have answers to your concerns. > > Thanks > Daffeh > > > On 28 August 2014 08:31, kejau <[log in to unmask] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: > > I think that will only work with a boycott as it will be insane to > follow a candidate who is barred from standing, even if unconstitutionally. > I think UDP should allow negotiations and depart from their party led > coalition even if it means bringing in more delegates proportionate to > their perceived majority or suggest another alternative to their > uncompromising stance. > > KR > Kejau > Sent from Samsung Mobile > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Demba Baldeh > Date:28/08/2014 08:18 (GMT+01:00) > To: [log in to unmask] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> > Subject: Re: We can defeat Jammeh at polls in 2016 - Sidia Jatta on 2016 > Elections > > A Darboe candidate actually could have worked or could still work and > the governing agenda could be an independent one. See what we are not able > to overcome is that we are not getting anywhere with individual parties. So > if the fear was for one party NOT an individual to dominate the transition > leadership then I think it makes sense to have Darboe lead a coalition > under a different banner.. I think it was pretty much the same as Hamat Bah > leading a coalition under an independent ticket... > > I sincerely think politically the UDP has an advantage either way... It > is a matter of taking us through a transition successfully with the needed > reforms and we can battle it out base on party merits. No political party > should be afraid of contesting under a free and fair system.. > > So the question really is since Darboe is constitutionally ineligible > (unless we find a way to change the existing one) could a formula be > advanced to have him possibly lead a transition under an independent banner > in 2016 and then form a national unity government with five permanent > members for the transition from all the political parties who cannot be > fired by the elected President... Once Jammeh is out and the reforms are > effected Darboe could step aside and allow others including a new UDP > leadership to contest the elections.. > > I think Darboe will be honored to lead a transition of 2 years or 5 > fives... After all he would become President for one term... which may > never be attainable under the current circumstances... Any thoughts... > Again we must brainstorm ideas and look to move forward as a country with > or without individual leadership... > > We can do something Gambians that is historic... Who will be counted is > another issue... > > Thanks > > Demba > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:42 PM, UDP United Kingdom < > [log in to unmask] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: > > Prior to the coalition meeting of 2011, Hamat was quoted in the media as > saying that he was going to be a candidate with or without a coalition and > that those who wants unity should rally behind him and the NRP. > > Once it was clear that UDP was not going to be foolish enough to embrace > Halifa's convention idea, Hamat saw can opportunity for himself to became a > coalition candidate. He decided to exploit it by declaring his support for > Halifa's convention proposal. > > Knowing fully that the only thing that could keep Hamat in his proposed > coalition arrangement was his (Hamat) candidacy, Halifa decided to grant > him his wish and save his own face by withdrawing from the race and thereby > paving a smooth way for Hamat to become the candidate he so > uncompromisingly wanted to be. This was how Hamat became associated with > the convention idea but his position was initially for a Party led allaince > albeit NRP one. > > Another point clarified. > > Thanks > > > > > > > On Thursday, 28 August 2014, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: > > Well maybe we should wait until the proportion of votes actually changed > and then we can talk about another form of coalition. As it stands now, > nothing has changed and that means nothing will change in respect to > the coalition approach. > > By the way; the UDP never proposed a Lawyer Darboe led allaince but a > UDP led allaince. It was Landing Jallow Sonko who proposed a Lawyer Darboe > led allaince and even Darboe himself rejected this saying it is not about > him and that the UDP can choose a different candidate if they so wish. > > Thanks > > On Thursday, 28 August 2014, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > Well maybe we should wait until the proportion of votes actually changed > and then we can talk about another form of coalition. As it stands now, > nothing has changed and that means nothing will change in respect to > coalition approach. > > By the UDP never proposed a Lawyer Darbboe led allaince but a UDP led > allaince. It was Landing Jallow Sonko who proposed a Lawyer Darboe led > allaince and even Darboe himself rejected this saying it is not about him > and that the UDP can choose a different candidate if they so wish. > > Thanks > > On Thursday, 28 August 2014, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > OK, I see, a UDP led coalition, based on the fact that the UDP had more > votes in 2006 than the rest of the opposition parties. Politics is dynamic > and it proportion of votes are bound to change, hence the need to have > elections every five year, otherwise the party with the majority many years > ago will still be in government if that historic count is what counts. I > think there is a need now to formulate another coalition formulae rather > than party led coalition based on historic data if we are serious about > defeating Jammeh at the polls, especially in the view of the age limit and > the fact that Hon. Ousainou Darboe may not stand this time even if later. > > Kejau > > > Thank you, by the way, kindly remind us what exactly was it that UDP > proposed? This discourse is important, if we are to avoid a repeat of 2011 > in 2016. > > KR > > Kejau > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:44:58 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: We can defeat Jammeh at polls in 2016 - Sidia Jatta on 2016 > Elections > To: [log in to unmask] > > Correction; what actually happened was that the UDP invited all the > parties to a meeting in order to discuss their coalition proposal. In that > meeting some parties rejected UDP's proposal while others supported it. > PDOIS presented a counter proposal which was also not accepted by the UDP, > GMC, PPP and NRP. However, after the conference has effectively ended but > before the signing of the communique, NRP changed position and decided to > support pdois's proposal. > > After the final communique, parties went away and started working on > their respective preferences of coalition formula and there has not been > any contact or communication between the parties from this point until > after the elections when the Group of Six was initiated and later formed. > > Proportional representation was never part of pdois's proposal. As a > matter of fact, pdois's coalition proposal's was premised on the concept of > equality of sovereign parties, something people like myself find utterly > absurd. > > It was at some point when there was a break and before > negotiation ended, a period of stalemate if you like to call it that, that > Musa Jeng of STGDP proposed proportional representation as a way of pushing > UDP towards pdois's line. Barely a week before this, the same Musa Jeng was > in the media acknowledging the very fundamental concessions UDP made to > PDOIS and the rest of the country and had argued that PDOIS should accept > UDP proposal in the light of those concessions as all the essentials were > present in the proposal. PDOIS never heeded to his advice neither did they > reciprocate UDP's concessions. The UDP too did not respond to > Musa's proposal but I took the opportunity to ask him whether in the light > of his own admission that UDP's proposal contains all the essentials, > he was now calling for a coalition that was based on the totality of Halifa > Sallah's will rather than compromise?? That question too was never > answered. What was however clear is that Musa made a 360 degrees U turn > within a span of a week or two. A classic flip flopper, isn't he? > > There is absolutely nothing whatsoever in pdois's proposal that > justifies an inter-party primary or convention to choose a coalition > candidate against all conventions and norms known to coalition politics. > All the issues they talked about in their Agenda 2011 and 2016 were > adequately addressed in the UDP proposal and/or by the party's > representatives at the 2011 coalition meetings. > > A UDP presidential candidate is always someone who has been > democratically elected at a party congress and we expect that parties who > wish to coalesce with the UDP will respect that sovereign decision of the > party's general membership as a matter of democracy principle. > > UDP was never invited to nominate 12 delegates neither has it had any > cause to complain about parties been allocated a given number of delegates > as the party was not part of the group that subscribed to the convention > idea and have not been involved in any convention discussion or > preparation. It never subscribed to it and had nothing to do with it > whatsoever. Thus, any suggestion to the contrary is a fib. > > Like I said above, all the parties were busy working on their coalition > arrangements and UDP's coalition arrangement had no convention component. > The party had already done that at its 2010 Jarra Soma Congress. They also > did not have any contact with PDOIS until after the 2011 elections when G6 > was initiated. > > Thanks > Daffeh > > On Wednesday, 27 August 2014, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Honourable Sidia Jatta a former presidential candidate for one of the > longest standing political parties in The Gambia, PDOIS, uttered these > remarks at a press conference.... > > > Hon Sidia Jatta explained his exertion with facts and figures including > the fact that even though the opposition parties boycotted the last > parliamentary elections, the independence without any party support and > resources pulled 74,000 votes compared to the incumbent party's 84000 > votes, this clearly shows the fact the electorates want change and are > ready to change the government come 2016. He reiterated the fact that the > boycott was aimed at showing Gambians and the world that the elections are > not fair in The Gambia and that aim has been achieved and that they are not > poised to plan another boycott. 'We were elbowed out by the incumbent in > fact and we did not boycott', he said. > > > > He went unto to say that his party, PDOIS, since the successful launch of > the political manifesto, have organised rallies and are on a village to > village campaign trail across the country, meeting and talking to Gambians > at every bantaba, every compound in every village and town about the > citizens sovereign rights and explaining the agenda to them, so far the > response has been fantastic. He further urged all the other opposition > political parties to follow in their footsteps. i.e. to produce a > manifesto, go on a campaign trail and sensitize and sell their party > agendas until mid 2015.and if there is no electoral reforms until then, > they can come together as a coalition and contest elections as a single > entity. > > This coalition formation will hopefully be in the same way they followed > last elections until Hamat Bah emerged as the winner over three other > candidates. It should be recalled that at that three days conference held > in Kantora hotel in Banjul, when Halifa Sallah of PDOIS withdrew his > candidature, all the other political parties were invited to invite 12 of > their supporters across the country and they all obliged except UDP who > complaint that they were the biggest political party and the organisers > then told them to invite more, upto 15 but they did not think even that was > good enough for them. Many observers believe that if Ousainou Darboe of UDP > has subjected himself to that process, he would have been overwhelmingly > been elected to lead the coalition. > > http://www.gambiadaily.co.uk/1-getting-started > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:09:04 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: STRATEGIC AND GERMANE ADVISE FROM M NYANG courtesy GAINAKO > To: [log in to unmask] > > Well YJ, NADD was about a united front. Process, i.e., flag bearer, was > the main difficulty. It is still an issue lurking in the background, but > there is no question a NADD-type structure can do the work. A lot of people > appear to have no faith in the electoral process but that may be a function > of misunderstanding how a fully united front may respond to the challenges > thrown up by a lawless electoral system. I have discussed my approach as > far back as 2004-2005. Level of unity and commitment is the only issue, and > I'm unsure about the preparedness of the party leaders to utilise all the > available options in dealing with the current system. > > A simpler way of understanding Nyang's contention re the Diaspora is to > ask what we can do to practically influence matters on the ground given > our separation from the main theatre of operations. In other words, the > Diaspora has a role but that role is not overall leadership. No one > resident in the Diaspora can be an electoral flag bearer, and the same > applies to even to leadership of a mass uprising. The geography of the > transaction cannot allow that but there are elements in the Diaspora that > appear not to understand that our proper function, as long as we are away > form the ground, must remain a supporting role. In the ordinary run of > events, Professor Jammeh's successor will not come from the Diaspora. How > is this controversial? > > As earlier stated, even a citizen uprising cannot be led from the > Diaspora. What is the obsession then with leading when none of the > available routes to change can be implemented from the Diaspora? Annoying > the Professor through immense humiliation in the Diaspora is not the same > thing as deposing his government, and a Gambia without his government is > what this fight is about > > Nyang's position is spot on and if we can have a truly united front of > the * bona fide* opposition parties, we are more than 90% on the home > stretch. I'm economical with words but I'm certain you got my drift. Home > is where the action will always be! > > > LJDarbo > > > > > On Wednesday, 27 August 2014, 15:03, Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > LJD - > > Thanks for sharing. This is a good submission from our resident, Nyang. > > Nyang have some great points. It is true that the opposition home are an > instrumental element in this equation even though I personally understand > the frustration of the Diaspora forces. > > In his piece though, Nyang is suggesting that any unity effort be built > from the previous miscarriage, NADD. The logic is a little scary. Well, > NADD didn't work, or at least safely said that it was aborted by the many > KEY players. That a reason to try a new model of unity. So I think the > Diaspora weren't ignorant. It is combination of frustration, interest in a > democratic process, and a wish to see some activities to counter the > criminal regime. I will not rule out some mistakes or even over excitement, > or better put as playing too much with democratic book teachings. It is all > healthy even though some of the actions are simply a turnoff. > > Must I say that, any route for another NADD will another waste of time, or > at least repeating history, because Halifa, Waa Juwara, Lawyer Darboe, > Hamat Bah, Barrister Fatty, OJ and Gomez didn't agree on things, and the > G-N (6, 5, 4, 3, ...whatever that exact number is) didn't see fruition. If > this cannot be worked out, I am seriously wondering how another effort in > that direction will solve this problem. > > On the new empowerment, the Diaspora forces are blessed with some key > resources like the online radios, internet, freedom to speech/assembly > which is very effective in exposing and countering dictatorship. > > To suggest that the only way is to rally through the opposition back home > might not be accurate. I know many are opposed to the toppling of the > criminal regime through the military or citizen uprising. Such a method of > seeing democracy (eventually) shouldn't be ruled out even though it comes > with some problems and I am not being inconsiderate at of the dangers > associated with such an undertaking . I have a very strong feeling that it > is just a matter of time here but the political temperature suggests that > the inevitable will happen sooner than expected. I couldn't convince my > mind otherwise. It is time to defend yourselves. It is time to do it in a > way to liberate country. It is Jihad (struggle), and it one way to free > your nation. Look up to the pioneers of democracy, therein lies the > solution. In our own, elections to remove Jammeh and establishment of a > healthy democracy is a long term agenda, and for the short time, Jammeh > needs to be booted out by any necessary means. > > On a note, great piece Nyang. I appreciate your substance, independence, > and like LJD, I too celebrate your submissions. > > Happy labor holiday in advance! > > Warm regards, > Yero. > > > > "There is no god but Allah; & Muhammad (SAW) is His messenger" > > Kind Regards, > Yero. > > > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:22:50 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: STRATEGIC AND GERMANE ADVISE FROM M NYANG courtesy GAINAKO > To: [log in to unmask] > > or Political Change > [image: download (3)] > The Bends, the Curves, the Home-Straight, Keeping the Eyes on the Prize > Towards a Strategic Home and Diaspora partnership for Political Change — > August 26, 2014 0 Comments 12 > translation servicesTranslate | French translationSpanish translationtranslate > Germantranslate Chinese > > > *[image: Gambian Flag]Part 2 of 3* > By Modou Nyang > > In the contours of democratic political change in the Gambia the climax in > the collaboration between home and diaspora forces is represented in the > ushering of NADD into the country’s political lexicography. And now any > subsequent partnership must aim at improving upon that milestone of > political architecture if it is to help deliver the change that still > eludes us in this past two decades. > > The Gambia is not at a political standstill and its narrative cannot be > etched anew at the back of historical perspectives. What is to follow if it > is to be durable must learn from the past in order to construct a tenable > future. Recent efforts in the diaspora at organizing the multitude of > voices into a unified force seems all but inflicted with ignorance if not > the total disregard of past lessons. > > Diaspora Gambians are becoming more engaged and interested in the > political life of their country and that is a good thing. From the ire and > disgust shown following the killings of the nine prisoners in 2012 and now > to every policy utterance in Banjul that deviates from the accepted norms > and dictates of the laws of the country, young men and women are paying > attention and sharing their views. For the first time in Gambian history > protest marches were organized from London to New York, Atlanta and > Brussels, Seattle and Dakar to show displeasure in Jammeh’s unwarranted > killing of the prisoners. And now because it seems the only potent tool at > their disposal protests marches and demonstrations is now the rallying call > for the activists. > > But protestations and manifestations especially in far flung lands away > from the main theater might take too long if ever they will bear the > desired effect of changing the status quo in Banjul. And herein lies the > need to link the actions in the diaspora with those on the ground for > maximal effect. The fact that people can confront president Jammeh in New > York and hurl invectives at him without being reprimanded is a good enough > reason not to ask the guy in the streets of Serekunda to do the same > because he will not enjoy similar fate as his contemporary in New York. > Preaching to the choir is never a savvy political device. > What the young men and women in the Gambia have at their disposal is to > organize around existing political instruments to manifest their > displeasure at what is happening in their country. In the existing > political infrastructure, opposition forces have at their base the youths > representing a critical element with the capability to galvanizing their > country folks into action and taking back their country and refocusing its > course. > > But often in the diaspora activists dismiss as simpletons every talk about > rallying the cause for change through legal democratic means. And the > wonder in that is how come a protester in New York considers his actions > more effectual than the one that organizes internally and close to home and > to undoing the common problem. > > Fact is, political change is brought about through the manifestations of > the internal dynamics of a given society and such affects need to be worked > on actively in order to attain the desired effect. Passivity is never a > potent political tool and cannot be a wholesome substitute for active > internal organization. What is required is the coupling of the two for > optimal gain. This is why diaspora Gambians must build on their united > efforts for protestations and move on to concretely charting strategies and > activities with the ground forces. > > Change can never be sustained at the back of the people. Hence the > opposition forces must be encouraged and enabled in their work to organize > the people. Only an organized people can withstand the most arduous of > challenges thrown in their path to salvation. And this crucial work can > only be implemented in today’s Gambia, by those on the ground working with > the people. In the Gambia there exist no civil society body that is > invested in the business of organizing the people around their civic rights > and responsibilities. > > Needless to say, the opposition parties are the only existing lifeline for > democratic change in the Gambia and they most intensify their work in > preparing and agitating the people for change. 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