Which one, Sidia's comment on Fatu radio or the quotation in the newspaper??

On Thursday, 28 August 2014, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>  It came from what you wrote that as the biggest opposition party last
> round, the others should flock around UDP who will not be subjected to any
> convention.  You can't spin that any better.
>
>
>  Sent from Samsung Mobile
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>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: UDP United Kingdom
> Date:28/08/2014 12:17 (GMT+01:00)
> To: [log in to unmask]
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> Subject: Re: We can defeat Jammeh at polls in 2016 - Sidia Jatta on 2016
> Elections
>
>  Really? So why then was Sidia insinuating in Fatu Radio that UDP's
> proposal was about party leaders to choose a candidate  among themselves
> when in fact a UDP candidate is always someone who democratically elected
> at the national congress? How about this garbage below, where does that
> come from and what is is the point of producing it here if you know it is
> not true??
>
>  ''It should be recalled that at that three days conference held in
> Kantora hotel in Banjul, when Halifa Sallah of PDOIS withdrew his
> candidature, all the other political parties were invited to invite 12 of
> their supporters across the country and they all obliged except UDP who
> complaint that they were the biggest political party and the organisers
> then told them to invite more, upto 15 but they did not think even that was
> good enough for them"
>
>
> On 28 August 2014 10:55, kejau <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
>
>  I am sure you were, but the Pdois leadership did in fact said exactly
> what you said. No fact distortion there. The coalition talk should start
> now in fact and not wait when it is too late,  after all there is not a
> more pressing issue than removing tyranny from our country. Just as it is
> time to elect Darboe's replacement to give the electorates time to know her
> better.
>
>  KR
> Kejau
>
>
>
>  Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>   From: UDP United Kingdom
> Date:28/08/2014 11:16 (GMT+01:00)
> To: [log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>
> Subject: Re: We can defeat Jammeh at polls in 2016 - Sidia Jatta on 2016
> Elections
>
>  Guys, I was only putting the records straight because it looks like
> PDIOS leaders still don't  know how to live the life of a dignified elder.
> They keep distorting facts and misleading people in every step of the way.
> The coalition debate is not yet around and when the time comes, you will
> have answers to your concerns.
>
>  Thanks
> Daffeh
>
>
> On 28 August 2014 08:31, kejau <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
>
>  I think that will only work with a boycott as it will be insane to
> follow a candidate who is barred from standing, even if unconstitutionally.
> I think UDP should allow negotiations and depart from their party led
> coalition even if it means bringing in more delegates proportionate to
> their perceived majority or suggest another alternative to their
> uncompromising stance.
>
>  KR
> Kejau
>  Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>  From: Demba Baldeh
> Date:28/08/2014 08:18 (GMT+01:00)
> To: [log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>
> Subject: Re: We can defeat Jammeh at polls in 2016 - Sidia Jatta on 2016
> Elections
>
>   A Darboe candidate actually could have worked or could still work and
> the governing agenda could be an independent one. See what we are not able
> to overcome is that we are not getting anywhere with individual parties. So
> if the fear was for one party NOT an individual to dominate the transition
> leadership then I think it makes sense to have Darboe lead a coalition
> under a different banner.. I think it was pretty much the same as Hamat Bah
> leading a coalition under an independent ticket...
>
>  I sincerely think politically the UDP has an advantage either way... It
> is a matter of taking us through a transition successfully with the needed
> reforms and we can battle it out base on party merits. No political party
> should be afraid of contesting under a free and fair system..
>
>  So the question really is since Darboe is constitutionally ineligible
> (unless we find a way to change the existing one) could a formula be
> advanced to have him possibly lead a transition under an independent banner
> in 2016 and then form a national unity government with five permanent
> members for the transition from all the political parties who cannot be
> fired by the elected President... Once Jammeh is out and the reforms are
> effected Darboe could step aside and allow others including a new UDP
> leadership to contest the elections..
>
>  I think Darboe will be honored to lead a transition of 2 years or 5
> fives... After all he would become President for one term... which may
> never be attainable under the current circumstances... Any thoughts...
> Again we must brainstorm ideas and look to move forward as a country with
> or without individual leadership...
>
>  We can do something Gambians that is historic... Who will be counted is
> another issue...
>
>  Thanks
>
> Demba
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:42 PM, UDP United Kingdom <
> [log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
>
> Prior to the coalition  meeting of 2011, Hamat was quoted in the media as
> saying that he was going to be a candidate with or without a coalition and
> that those who wants unity should rally behind him and the NRP.
>
> Once it was clear that UDP was not going to be foolish enough to embrace
> Halifa's convention idea, Hamat saw can opportunity for himself to became a
> coalition candidate. He decided to exploit it by declaring his support for
> Halifa's convention proposal.
>
> Knowing fully that the only thing that could keep Hamat in his proposed
> coalition arrangement was his (Hamat) candidacy, Halifa decided to grant
> him his wish and save his own face by withdrawing from the race and thereby
> paving a smooth way for Hamat to become the candidate he so
> uncompromisingly wanted to be. This was how Hamat became associated with
> the convention idea but his position was initially for a Party led allaince
> albeit NRP one.
>
>  Another point clarified.
>
>  Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 28 August 2014, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
>
> Well maybe we should wait until the proportion of votes actually changed
> and then we can talk about another form of coalition. As it stands now,
> nothing has changed and that means nothing will change in respect to
> the coalition approach.
>
>  By the way; the UDP never proposed a Lawyer Darboe led allaince but a
> UDP led allaince. It was Landing Jallow Sonko who proposed a Lawyer Darboe
> led allaince and even Darboe himself rejected this saying it is not about
> him and that the UDP can choose a different candidate if they so wish.
>
>  Thanks
>
> On Thursday, 28 August 2014, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Well maybe we should wait until the proportion of votes actually changed
> and then we can talk about another form of coalition. As it stands now,
> nothing has changed and that means nothing will change in respect to
> coalition approach.
>
>  By the UDP never proposed a Lawyer Darbboe led allaince but a UDP led
> allaince. It was Landing Jallow Sonko who proposed a Lawyer Darboe led
> allaince and even Darboe himself rejected this saying it is not about him
> and that the UDP can choose a different candidate if they so wish.
>
>  Thanks
>
> On Thursday, 28 August 2014, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>  OK, I see, a UDP led coalition, based on the fact that the UDP had more
> votes in 2006 than the rest of the opposition parties. Politics is dynamic
> and it proportion of votes are bound to change, hence the need to have
> elections every five year, otherwise the party with the majority many years
> ago will still be in government if that historic count is what counts. I
> think there is a need now to formulate another coalition formulae rather
> than party led coalition based on historic data if we are serious about
> defeating Jammeh at the polls, especially in the view of the age limit and
> the fact that Hon. Ousainou Darboe may not stand this time even if later.
>
>  Kejau
>
>
> Thank you, by the way, kindly remind us what exactly was it that UDP
> proposed? This discourse is important, if we are to avoid a repeat of 2011
> in 2016.
>
>  KR
>
>  Kejau
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:44:58 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: We can defeat Jammeh at polls in 2016 - Sidia Jatta on 2016
> Elections
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Correction; what actually happened was that the UDP invited all the
> parties to a meeting in order to discuss their coalition proposal. In that
> meeting some parties rejected UDP's proposal while others supported it.
> PDOIS presented a counter proposal which was also not accepted by the UDP,
> GMC, PPP and NRP. However, after the conference has effectively ended but
> before the signing of the communique, NRP changed position and decided to
> support pdois's proposal.
>
>  After the final communique, parties went away and started working on
> their respective preferences of coalition formula and there has not been
> any contact or communication between the parties from this point until
> after the elections when the Group of Six was initiated and later formed.
>
>  Proportional representation was never part of pdois's proposal. As a
> matter of fact, pdois's coalition proposal's was premised on the concept of
> equality of sovereign parties, something people like myself find utterly
> absurd.
>
>  It was at some point when there was a break and before
> negotiation ended, a period of stalemate if you like to call it that, that
> Musa Jeng of STGDP proposed proportional representation as a way of pushing
> UDP towards pdois's line. Barely a week before this, the same Musa Jeng was
> in the media acknowledging the very fundamental concessions UDP made to
> PDOIS and the rest of the country and had argued that PDOIS should accept
> UDP proposal in the light of those concessions as all the essentials were
> present in the proposal. PDOIS never heeded to his advice neither did they
> reciprocate UDP's concessions. The UDP too did not respond to
> Musa's proposal but I took the opportunity to ask him whether in the light
> of his own admission that UDP's proposal contains all the essentials,
> he was now calling for a coalition that was based on the totality of Halifa
> Sallah's will rather than compromise?? That question too was never
> answered. What was however clear is that Musa made a 360 degrees U turn
> within a span of a week or two. A classic flip flopper, isn't he?
>
>  There is absolutely nothing whatsoever in pdois's proposal that
> justifies an inter-party primary or convention to choose a coalition
> candidate against all conventions and norms known to coalition politics.
> All the issues they talked about in their Agenda 2011 and 2016 were
> adequately addressed in the UDP proposal and/or by the party's
> representatives at the 2011 coalition meetings.
>
>  A UDP presidential candidate is always someone who has been
> democratically elected at a party congress and we expect that parties who
> wish to coalesce with the UDP will respect that sovereign decision of the
> party's general membership as a matter of democracy principle.
>
>  UDP was never invited to nominate 12 delegates neither has it had any
> cause to complain about parties been allocated a given number of delegates
> as the party was not part of the group that subscribed to the convention
> idea and have not been involved in any convention discussion or
> preparation. It never subscribed to it and had nothing to do with it
> whatsoever. Thus, any suggestion to the contrary is a fib.
>
>  Like I said above, all the parties were busy working on their coalition
> arrangements and UDP's coalition arrangement had no convention component.
> The party had already done that at its 2010  Jarra Soma Congress. They also
> did not have any contact with PDOIS until after  the 2011 elections when G6
> was initiated.
>
>  Thanks
> Daffeh
>
> On Wednesday, 27 August 2014, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>  Honourable Sidia Jatta a former presidential candidate for one of the
> longest standing political parties in The Gambia, PDOIS, uttered these
> remarks at a press conference....
>
>
>   Hon Sidia Jatta explained his exertion with facts and figures including
> the fact that even though the opposition parties boycotted the last
> parliamentary elections, the independence without any party support and
> resources pulled 74,000 votes compared to the incumbent party's 84000
> votes, this clearly shows the fact the electorates want change and are
> ready to change the government come 2016. He reiterated the fact that the
> boycott was aimed at showing Gambians and the world that the elections are
> not fair in The Gambia and that aim has been achieved and that they are not
> poised to plan another boycott. 'We were elbowed out by the incumbent in
> fact and we did not boycott', he said.
>
>
>
> He went unto to say that his party, PDOIS, since the successful launch of
> the political manifesto, have organised rallies and are on a village to
> village campaign trail across the country, meeting and talking to Gambians
> at every bantaba, every compound in every village and town about the
> citizens sovereign rights and explaining the agenda to them, so far the
> response has been fantastic. He further urged all the other opposition
> political parties to follow in their footsteps. i.e. to produce a
> manifesto, go on a campaign trail and sensitize and sell their party
> agendas until mid 2015.and if there is no electoral reforms until then,
> they can come together as a coalition and contest elections as a single
> entity.
>
> This coalition formation will hopefully be in the same way they followed
> last elections until Hamat Bah emerged as the winner over three other
> candidates. It should be recalled that at that three days conference held
> in Kantora hotel in Banjul, when Halifa Sallah of PDOIS withdrew his
> candidature, all the other political parties were invited to invite 12 of
> their supporters across the country and they all obliged except UDP who
> complaint that they were the biggest political party and the organisers
> then told them to invite more, upto 15 but they did not think even that was
> good enough for them. Many observers believe that if Ousainou Darboe of UDP
> has subjected himself to that process, he would have been overwhelmingly
> been elected to lead the coalition.
>
>  http://www.gambiadaily.co.uk/1-getting-started
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:09:04 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: STRATEGIC AND GERMANE ADVISE FROM M NYANG courtesy GAINAKO
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>  Well YJ, NADD was about a united front. Process, i.e., flag bearer, was
> the main difficulty. It is still an issue lurking in the background, but
> there is no question a NADD-type structure can do the work. A lot of people
> appear to have no faith in the electoral process but that may be a function
> of misunderstanding how a fully united front may respond to the challenges
> thrown up by a lawless electoral system. I have discussed my approach as
> far back as 2004-2005. Level of unity and commitment is the only issue, and
> I'm unsure about the preparedness of the party leaders to utilise all the
> available options in dealing with the current system.
>
>  A simpler way of understanding Nyang's contention re the Diaspora is to
> ask what we can do to practically influence matters on the ground given
> our separation from the main theatre of operations. In other words, the
> Diaspora has a role but that role is not overall leadership. No one
> resident in the Diaspora can be an electoral flag bearer, and the same
> applies to even to leadership of a mass uprising. The geography of the
> transaction cannot allow that but there are elements in the Diaspora that
> appear not to understand that our proper function, as long as we are away
> form the ground, must remain a supporting role. In the ordinary run of
> events, Professor Jammeh's successor will not come from the Diaspora. How
> is this controversial?
>
>  As earlier stated, even a citizen uprising cannot be led from the
> Diaspora. What is the obsession then with leading when none of the
> available routes to change can be implemented from the Diaspora? Annoying
> the Professor through immense humiliation in the Diaspora is not the same
> thing as deposing his government, and a Gambia without his government is
> what this fight is about
>
>  Nyang's position is spot on and if we can have a truly united front of
> the * bona fide* opposition parties, we are more than 90% on the home
> stretch. I'm economical with words but I'm certain you got my drift. Home
> is where the action will always be!
>
>
>  LJDarbo
>
>
>
>
>   On Wednesday, 27 August 2014, 15:03, Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>
>   LJD -
>
> Thanks for sharing. This is a good submission from our resident, Nyang.
>
> Nyang have some great points. It is true that the opposition home are an
> instrumental element in this equation even though I personally understand
> the frustration of the Diaspora forces.
>
> In his piece though, Nyang is suggesting that any unity effort be built
> from the previous miscarriage, NADD. The logic is a little scary. Well,
> NADD didn't work, or at least safely said that it was aborted by the many
> KEY players. That a reason to try a new model of unity. So I think the
> Diaspora weren't ignorant. It is combination of frustration, interest in a
> democratic process, and a wish to see some activities to counter the
> criminal regime. I will not rule out some mistakes or even over excitement,
> or better put as playing too much with democratic book teachings. It is all
> healthy even though some of the actions are simply a turnoff.
>
> Must I say that, any route for another NADD will another waste of time, or
> at least repeating history, because Halifa, Waa Juwara, Lawyer Darboe,
> Hamat Bah, Barrister Fatty, OJ and Gomez didn't agree on things, and the
> G-N (6, 5, 4, 3, ...whatever that exact number is) didn't see fruition. If
> this cannot be worked out, I am seriously wondering how another effort in
> that direction will solve this problem.
>
> On the new empowerment, the Diaspora forces are blessed with some key
> resources like the online radios, internet, freedom to speech/assembly
> which is very effective in exposing and countering dictatorship.
>
> To suggest that the only way is to rally through the opposition back home
> might not be accurate. I know many are opposed to the toppling of the
> criminal regime through the military or citizen uprising. Such a method of
> seeing democracy (eventually) shouldn't be ruled out even though it comes
> with some problems and I am not being inconsiderate at of the dangers
> associated with such an undertaking . I have a very strong feeling that it
> is just a matter of time here but the political temperature suggests that
> the inevitable will happen sooner than expected. I couldn't convince my
> mind otherwise. It is time to defend yourselves. It is time to do it in  a
> way to liberate country. It is Jihad (struggle), and it one way to free
> your nation. Look up to the pioneers of democracy, therein lies the
> solution. In our own, elections to remove Jammeh and establishment of a
> healthy democracy is a long term agenda, and for the short time, Jammeh
> needs to be booted out by any necessary means.
>
> On a note, great piece Nyang. I appreciate your substance, independence,
> and like LJD, I too celebrate your submissions.
>
> Happy labor holiday in advance!
>
> Warm regards,
> Yero.
>
>
>
> "There is no god but Allah; & Muhammad (SAW) is His messenger"
>
> Kind Regards,
> Yero.
>
>
>   Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:22:50 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: STRATEGIC AND GERMANE ADVISE FROM M NYANG courtesy GAINAKO
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>  or Political Change
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> The Bends, the Curves, the Home-Straight, Keeping the Eyes on the Prize
> Towards a Strategic Home and Diaspora partnership for Political Change —
> August 26, 2014 0 Comments 12
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> *[image: Gambian Flag]Part 2 of 3*
> By Modou Nyang
>
> In the contours of democratic political change in the Gambia the climax in
> the collaboration between home and diaspora forces is represented in the
> ushering of NADD into the country’s political lexicography. And now any
> subsequent partnership must aim at improving upon that milestone of
> political architecture if it is to help deliver the change that still
> eludes us in this past two decades.
>
> The Gambia is not at a political standstill and its narrative cannot be
> etched anew at the back of historical perspectives. What is to follow if it
> is to be durable must learn from the past in order to construct a tenable
> future. Recent efforts in the diaspora at organizing the multitude of
> voices into a unified force seems all but inflicted with ignorance if not
> the total disregard of past lessons.
>
> Diaspora Gambians are becoming more engaged and interested in the
> political life of their country and that is a good thing. From the ire and
> disgust shown following the killings of the nine prisoners in 2012 and now
> to every policy utterance in Banjul that deviates from the accepted norms
> and dictates of the laws of the country, young men and women are paying
> attention and sharing their views. For the first time in Gambian history
> protest marches were organized from London to New York, Atlanta and
> Brussels, Seattle and Dakar to show displeasure in Jammeh’s unwarranted
> killing of the prisoners. And now because it seems the only potent tool at
> their disposal protests marches and demonstrations is now the rallying call
> for the activists.
>
> But protestations and manifestations especially in far flung lands away
> from the main theater might take too long if ever they will bear the
> desired effect of changing the status quo in Banjul. And herein lies the
> need to link the actions in the diaspora with those on the ground for
> maximal effect. The fact that people can confront president Jammeh in New
> York and hurl invectives at him without being reprimanded is a good enough
> reason not to ask the guy in the streets of Serekunda to do the same
> because he will not enjoy similar fate as his contemporary in New York.
> Preaching to the choir is never a savvy political device.
> What the young men and women in the Gambia have at their disposal is to
> organize around existing political instruments to manifest their
> displeasure at what is happening in their country. In the existing
> political infrastructure, opposition forces have at their base the youths
> representing a critical element with the capability to galvanizing their
> country folks into action and taking back their country and refocusing its
> course.
>
> But often in the diaspora activists dismiss as simpletons every talk about
> rallying the cause for change through legal democratic means. And the
> wonder in that is how come a protester in New York considers his actions
> more effectual than the one that organizes internally and close to home and
> to undoing the common problem.
>
> Fact is, political change is brought about through the manifestations of
> the internal dynamics of a given society and such affects need to be worked
> on actively in order to attain the desired effect. Passivity is never a
> potent political tool and cannot be a wholesome substitute for active
> internal organization. What is required is the coupling of the two for
> optimal gain. This is why diaspora Gambians must build on their united
> efforts for protestations and move on to concretely charting strategies and
> activities with the ground forces.
>
> Change can never be sustained at the back of the people. Hence the
> opposition forces must be encouraged and enabled in their work to organize
> the people. Only an organized people can withstand the most arduous of
> challenges thrown in their path to salvation. And this crucial work can
> only be implemented in today’s Gambia, by those on the ground working with
> the people. In the Gambia there exist no civil society body that is
> invested in the business of organizing the people around their civic rights
> and responsibilities.
>
> Needless to say, the opposition parties are the only existing lifeline for
> democratic change in the Gambia and they most intensify their work in
> preparing and agitating the people for change. And for Gambians in the
> diaspora, even if only for a moment will pause the ecstatic frenzy for
> nothingness and direct their energy towards a holistic partnership with the
> ground forces, the current madness in Banjul will be confined to its right
> place: the dustbin of history.
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