And like I said flocking around UDP does not equate to leaders choosing a candidate among themselves. Who becomes a UDP candidate has always been matter for the people to decide at the party congress and in a democratic fashion. Thanks On Thursday, 28 August 2014, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Which one, Sidia's comment on Fatu radio or the quotation in the > newspaper?? > > On Thursday, 28 August 2014, kejau <[log in to unmask] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: > >> It came from what you wrote that as the biggest opposition party last >> round, the others should flock around UDP who will not be subjected to any >> convention. You can't spin that any better. >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Mobile >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: UDP United Kingdom >> Date:28/08/2014 12:17 (GMT+01:00) >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: We can defeat Jammeh at polls in 2016 - Sidia Jatta on 2016 >> Elections >> >> Really? So why then was Sidia insinuating in Fatu Radio that UDP's >> proposal was about party leaders to choose a candidate among themselves >> when in fact a UDP candidate is always someone who democratically elected >> at the national congress? How about this garbage below, where does that >> come from and what is is the point of producing it here if you know it is >> not true?? >> >> ''It should be recalled that at that three days conference held in >> Kantora hotel in Banjul, when Halifa Sallah of PDOIS withdrew his >> candidature, all the other political parties were invited to invite 12 of >> their supporters across the country and they all obliged except UDP who >> complaint that they were the biggest political party and the organisers >> then told them to invite more, upto 15 but they did not think even that was >> good enough for them" >> >> >> On 28 August 2014 10:55, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> I am sure you were, but the Pdois leadership did in fact said exactly >> what you said. No fact distortion there. The coalition talk should start >> now in fact and not wait when it is too late, after all there is not a >> more pressing issue than removing tyranny from our country. Just as it is >> time to elect Darboe's replacement to give the electorates time to know her >> better. >> >> KR >> Kejau >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Mobile >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: UDP United Kingdom >> Date:28/08/2014 11:16 (GMT+01:00) >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: We can defeat Jammeh at polls in 2016 - Sidia Jatta on 2016 >> Elections >> >> Guys, I was only putting the records straight because it looks like >> PDIOS leaders still don't know how to live the life of a dignified elder. >> They keep distorting facts and misleading people in every step of the way. >> The coalition debate is not yet around and when the time comes, you will >> have answers to your concerns. >> >> Thanks >> Daffeh >> >> >> On 28 August 2014 08:31, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> I think that will only work with a boycott as it will be insane to >> follow a candidate who is barred from standing, even if unconstitutionally. >> I think UDP should allow negotiations and depart from their party led >> coalition even if it means bringing in more delegates proportionate to >> their perceived majority or suggest another alternative to their >> uncompromising stance. >> >> KR >> Kejau >> Sent from Samsung Mobile >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Demba Baldeh >> Date:28/08/2014 08:18 (GMT+01:00) >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: We can defeat Jammeh at polls in 2016 - Sidia Jatta on 2016 >> Elections >> >> A Darboe candidate actually could have worked or could still work and >> the governing agenda could be an independent one. See what we are not able >> to overcome is that we are not getting anywhere with individual parties. So >> if the fear was for one party NOT an individual to dominate the transition >> leadership then I think it makes sense to have Darboe lead a coalition >> under a different banner.. I think it was pretty much the same as Hamat Bah >> leading a coalition under an independent ticket... >> >> I sincerely think politically the UDP has an advantage either way... It >> is a matter of taking us through a transition successfully with the needed >> reforms and we can battle it out base on party merits. No political party >> should be afraid of contesting under a free and fair system.. >> >> So the question really is since Darboe is constitutionally ineligible >> (unless we find a way to change the existing one) could a formula be >> advanced to have him possibly lead a transition under an independent banner >> in 2016 and then form a national unity government with five permanent >> members for the transition from all the political parties who cannot be >> fired by the elected President... Once Jammeh is out and the reforms are >> effected Darboe could step aside and allow others including a new UDP >> leadership to contest the elections.. >> >> I think Darboe will be honored to lead a transition of 2 years or 5 >> fives... After all he would become President for one term... which may >> never be attainable under the current circumstances... Any thoughts... >> Again we must brainstorm ideas and look to move forward as a country with >> or without individual leadership... >> >> We can do something Gambians that is historic... Who will be counted is >> another issue... >> >> Thanks >> >> Demba >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:42 PM, UDP United Kingdom < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Prior to the coalition meeting of 2011, Hamat was quoted in the media as >> saying that he was going to be a candidate with or without a coalition and >> that those who wants unity should rally behind him and the NRP. >> >> Once it was clear that UDP was not going to be foolish enough to embrace >> Halifa's convention idea, Hamat saw can opportunity for himself to became a >> coalition candidate. He decided to exploit it by declaring his support for >> Halifa's convention proposal. >> >> Knowing fully that the only thing that could keep Hamat in his proposed >> coalition arrangement was his (Hamat) candidacy, Halifa decided to grant >> him his wish and save his own face by withdrawing from the race and thereby >> paving a smooth way for Hamat to become the candidate he so >> uncompromisingly wanted to be. This was how Hamat became associated with >> the convention idea but his position was initially for a Party led allaince >> albeit NRP one. >> >> Another point clarified. >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday, 28 August 2014, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> Well maybe we should wait until the proportion of votes actually changed >> and then we can talk about another form of coalition. As it stands now, >> nothing has changed and that means nothing will change in respect to >> the coalition approach. >> >> By the way; the UDP never proposed a Lawyer Darboe led allaince but a >> UDP led allaince. It was Landing Jallow Sonko who proposed a Lawyer Darboe >> led allaince and even Darboe himself rejected this saying it is not about >> him and that the UDP can choose a different candidate if they so wish. >> >> Thanks >> >> On Thursday, 28 August 2014, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> Well maybe we should wait until the proportion of votes actually changed >> and then we can talk about another form of coalition. As it stands now, >> nothing has changed and that means nothing will change in respect to >> coalition approach. >> >> By the UDP never proposed a Lawyer Darbboe led allaince but a UDP led >> allaince. It was Landing Jallow Sonko who proposed a Lawyer Darboe led >> allaince and even Darboe himself rejected this saying it is not about him >> and that the UDP can choose a different candidate if they so wish. >> >> Thanks >> >> On Thursday, 28 August 2014, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> OK, I see, a UDP led coalition, based on the fact that the UDP had more >> votes in 2006 than the rest of the opposition parties. Politics is dynamic >> and it proportion of votes are bound to change, hence the need to have >> elections every five year, otherwise the party with the majority many years >> ago will still be in government if that historic count is what counts. I >> think there is a need now to formulate another coalition formulae rather >> than party led coalition based on historic data if we are serious about >> defeating Jammeh at the polls, especially in the view of the age limit and >> the fact that Hon. Ousainou Darboe may not stand this time even if later. >> >> Kejau >> >> >> Thank you, by the way, kindly remind us what exactly was it that UDP >> proposed? This discourse is important, if we are to avoid a repeat of 2011 >> in 2016. >> >> KR >> >> Kejau >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:44:58 +0100 >> From: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: We can defeat Jammeh at polls in 2016 - Sidia Jatta on 2016 >> Elections >> To: [log in to unmask] >> >> Correction; what actually happened was that the UDP invited all the >> parties to a meeting in order to discuss their coalition proposal. In that >> meeting some parties rejected UDP's proposal while others supported it. >> PDOIS presented a counter proposal which was also not accepted by the UDP, >> GMC, PPP and NRP. However, after the conference has effectively ended but >> before the signing of the communique, NRP changed position and decided to >> support pdois's proposal. >> >> After the final communique, parties went away and started working on >> their respective preferences of coalition formula and there has not been >> any contact or communication between the parties from this point until >> after the elections when the Group of Six was initiated and later formed. >> >> Proportional representation was never part of pdois's proposal. As a >> matter of fact, pdois's coalition proposal's was premised on the concept of >> equality of sovereign parties, something people like myself find utterly >> absurd. >> >> It was at some point when there was a break and before >> negotiation ended, a period of stalemate if you like to call it that, that >> Musa Jeng of STGDP proposed proportional representation as a way of pushing >> UDP towards pdois's line. Barely a week before this, the same Musa Jeng was >> in the media acknowledging the very fundamental concessions UDP made to >> PDOIS and the rest of the country and had argued that PDOIS should accept >> UDP proposal in the light of those concessions as all the essentials were >> present in the proposal. PDOIS never heeded to his advice neither did they >> reciprocate UDP's concessions. The UDP too did not respond to >> Musa's proposal but I took the opportunity to ask him whether in the light >> of his own admission that UDP's proposal contains all the essentials, >> he was now calling for a coalition that was based on the totality of Halifa >> Sallah's will rather than compromise?? That question too was never >> answered. What was however clear is that Musa made a 360 degrees U turn >> within a span of a week or two. A classic flip flopper, isn't he? >> >> There is absolutely nothing whatsoever in pdois's proposal that >> justifies an inter-party primary or convention to choose a coalition >> candidate against all conventions and norms known to coalition politics. >> All the issues they talked about in their Agenda 2011 and 2016 were >> adequately addressed in the UDP proposal and/or by the party's >> representatives at the 2011 coalition meetings. >> >> A UDP presidential candidate is always someone who has been >> democratically elected at a party congress and we expect that parties who >> wish to coalesce with the UDP will respect that sovereign decision of the >> party's general membership as a matter of democracy principle. >> >> UDP was never invited to nominate 12 delegates neither has it had any >> cause to complain about parties been allocated a given number of delegates >> as the party was not part of the group that subscribed to the convention >> idea and have not been involved in any convention discussion or >> preparation. It never subscribed to it and had nothing to do with it >> whatsoever. Thus, any suggestion to the contrary is a fib. >> >> Like I said above, all the parties were busy working on their coalition >> arrangements and UDP's coalition arrangement had no convention component. >> The party had already done that at its 2010 Jarra Soma Congress. They also >> did not have any contact with PDOIS until after the 2011 elections when G6 >> was initiated. >> >> Thanks >> Daffeh >> >> On Wednesday, 27 August 2014, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Honourable Sidia Jatta a former presidential candidate for one of the >> longest standing political parties in The Gambia, PDOIS, uttered these >> remarks at a press conference.... >> >> >> Hon Sidia Jatta explained his exertion with facts and figures >> including the fact that even though the opposition parties boycotted the >> last parliamentary elections, the independence without any party support >> and resources pulled 74,000 votes compared to the incumbent party's 84000 >> votes, this clearly shows the fact the electorates want change and are >> ready to change the government come 2016. He reiterated the fact that the >> boycott was aimed at showing Gambians and the world that the elections are >> not fair in The Gambia and that aim has been achieved and that they are not >> poised to plan another boycott. 'We were elbowed out by the incumbent in >> fact and we did not boycott', he said. >> >> >> >> He went unto to say that his party, PDOIS, since the successful launch of >> the political manifesto, have organised rallies and are on a village to >> village campaign trail across the country, meeting and talking to Gambians >> at every bantaba, every compound in every village and town about the >> citizens sovereign rights and explaining the agenda to them, so far the >> response has been fantastic. He further urged all the other opposition >> political parties to follow in their footsteps. i.e. to produce a >> manifesto, go on a campaign trail and sensitize and sell their party >> agendas until mid 2015.and if there is no electoral reforms until then, >> they can come together as a coalition and contest elections as a single >> entity. >> >> This coalition formation will hopefully be in the same way they followed >> last elections until Hamat Bah emerged as the winner over three other >> candidates. It should be recalled that at that three days conference held >> in Kantora hotel in Banjul, when Halifa Sallah of PDOIS withdrew his >> candidature, all the other political parties were invited to invite 12 of >> their supporters across the country and they all obliged except UDP who >> complaint that they were the biggest political party and the organisers >> then told them to invite more, upto 15 but they did not think even that was >> good enough for them. Many observers believe that if Ousainou Darboe of UDP >> has subjected himself to that process, he would have been overwhelmingly >> been elected to lead the coalition. >> >> http://www.gambiadaily.co.uk/1-getting-started >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:09:04 +0100 >> From: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: STRATEGIC AND GERMANE ADVISE FROM M NYANG courtesy GAINAKO >> To: [log in to unmask] >> >> Well YJ, NADD was about a united front. Process, i.e., flag bearer, was >> the main difficulty. It is still an issue lurking in the background, but >> there is no question a NADD-type structure can do the work. A lot of people >> appear to have no faith in the electoral process but that may be a function >> of misunderstanding how a fully united front may respond to the challenges >> thrown up by a lawless electoral system. I have discussed my approach as >> far back as 2004-2005. Level of unity and commitment is the only issue, and >> I'm unsure about the preparedness of the party leaders to utilise all the >> available options in dealing with the current system. >> >> A simpler way of understanding Nyang's contention re the Diaspora is to >> ask what we can do to practically influence matters on the ground given >> our separation from the main theatre of operations. In other words, the >> Diaspora has a role but that role is not overall leadership. No one >> resident in the Diaspora can be an electoral flag bearer, and the same >> applies to even to leadership of a mass uprising. The geography of the >> transaction cannot allow that but there are elements in the Diaspora that >> appear not to understand that our proper function, as long as we are away >> form the ground, must remain a supporting role. In the ordinary run of >> events, Professor Jammeh's successor will not come from the Diaspora. How >> is this controversial? >> >> As earlier stated, even a citizen uprising cannot be led from the >> Diaspora. What is the obsession then with leading when none of the >> available routes to change can be implemented from the Diaspora? Annoying >> the Professor through immense humiliation in the Diaspora is not the same >> thing as deposing his government, and a Gambia without his government is >> what this fight is about >> >> Nyang's position is spot on and if we can have a truly united front of >> the * bona fide* opposition parties, we are more than 90% on the home >> stretch. I'm economical with words but I'm certain you got my drift. Home >> is where the action will always be! >> >> >> LJDarbo >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, 27 August 2014, 15:03, Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> >> LJD - >> >> Thanks for sharing. This is a good submission from our resident, Nyang. >> >> Nyang have some great points. It is true that the opposition home are an >> instrumental element in this equation even though I personally understand >> the frustration of the Diaspora forces. >> >> In his piece though, Nyang is suggesting that any unity effort be built >> from the previous miscarriage, NADD. The logic is a little scary. Well, >> NADD didn't work, or at least safely said that it was aborted by the many >> KEY players. That a reason to try a new model of unity. So I think the >> Diaspora weren't ignorant. It is combination of frustration, interest in a >> democratic process, and a wish to see some activities to counter the >> criminal regime. I will not rule out some mistakes or even over excitement, >> or better put as playing too much with democratic book teachings. It is all >> healthy even though some of the actions are simply a turnoff. >> >> Must I say that, any route for another NADD will another waste of time, >> or at least repeating history, because Halifa, Waa Juwara, Lawyer Darboe, >> Hamat Bah, Barrister Fatty, OJ and Gomez didn't agree on things, and the >> G-N (6, 5, 4, 3, ...whatever that exact number is) didn't see fruition. If >> this cannot be worked out, I am seriously wondering how another effort in >> that direction will solve this problem. >> >> On the new empowerment, the Diaspora forces are blessed with some key >> resources like the online radios, internet, freedom to speech/assembly >> which is very effective in exposing and countering dictatorship. >> >> To suggest that the only way is to rally through the opposition back home >> might not be accurate. I know many are opposed to the toppling of the >> criminal regime through the military or citizen uprising. Such a method of >> seeing democracy (eventually) shouldn't be ruled out even though it comes >> with some problems and I am not being inconsiderate at of the dangers >> associated with such an undertaking . I have a very strong feeling that it >> is just a matter of time here but the political temperature suggests that >> the inevitable will happen sooner than expected. I couldn't convince my >> mind otherwise. It is time to defend yourselves. It is time to do it in a >> way to liberate country. It is Jihad (struggle), and it one way to free >> your nation. Look up to the pioneers of democracy, therein lies the >> solution. In our own, elections to remove Jammeh and establishment of a >> healthy democracy is a long term agenda, and for the short time, Jammeh >> needs to be booted out by any necessary means. >> >> On a note, great piece Nyang. I appreciate your substance, independence, >> and like LJD, I too celebrate your submissions. >> >> Happy labor holiday in advance! >> >> Warm regards, >> Yero. >> >> >> >> "There is no god but Allah; & Muhammad (SAW) is His messenger" >> >> Kind Regards, >> Yero. >> >> >> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:22:50 +0100 >> From: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: STRATEGIC AND GERMANE ADVISE FROM M NYANG courtesy GAINAKO >> To: [log in to unmask] >> >> or Political Change >> [image: download (3)] >> The Bends, the Curves, the Home-Straight, Keeping the Eyes on the Prize >> Towards a Strategic Home and Diaspora partnership for Political Change — >> August 26, 2014 0 Comments 12 >> translation servicesTranslate | French translationSpanish translationtranslate >> Germantranslate Chinese >> >> >> *[image: Gambian Flag]Part 2 of 3* >> By Modou Nyang >> >> In the contours of democratic political change in the Gambia the climax >> in the collaboration between home and diaspora forces is represented in the >> ushering of NADD into the country’s political lexicography. And now any >> subsequent partnership must aim at improving upon that milestone of >> political architecture if it is to help deliver the change that still >> eludes us in this past two decades. >> >> The Gambia is not at a political standstill and its narrative cannot be >> etched anew at the back of historical perspectives. What is to follow if it >> is to be durable must learn from the past in order to construct a tenable >> future. Recent efforts in the diaspora at organizing the multitude of >> voices into a unified force seems all but inflicted with ignorance if not >> the total disregard of past lessons. >> >> Diaspora Gambians are becoming more engaged and interested in the >> political life of their country and that is a good thing. From the ire and >> disgust shown following the killings of the nine prisoners in 2012 and now >> to every policy utterance in Banjul that deviates from the accepted norms >> and dictates of the laws of the country, young men and women are paying >> attention and sharing their views. For the first time in Gambian history >> protest marches were organized from London to New York, Atlanta and >> Brussels, Seattle and Dakar to show displeasure in Jammeh’s unwarranted >> killing of the prisoners. And now because it seems the only potent tool at >> their disposal protests marches and demonstrations is now the rallying call >> for the activists. >> >> But protestations and manifestations especially in far flung lands away >> from the main theater might take too long if ever they will bear the >> desired effect of changing the status quo in Banjul. And herein lies the >> need to link the actions in the diaspora with those on the ground for >> maximal effect. The fact that people can confront president Jammeh in New >> York and hurl invectives at him without being reprimanded is a good enough >> reason not to ask the guy in the streets of Serekunda to do the same >> because he will not enjoy similar fate as his contemporary in New York. >> Preaching to the choir is never a savvy political device. >> What the young men and women in the Gambia have at their disposal is to >> organize around existing political instruments to manifest their >> displeasure at what is happening in their country. In the existing >> political infrastructure, opposition forces have at their base the youths >> representing a critical element with the capability to galvanizing their >> country folks into action and taking back their country and refocusing its >> course. >> >> But often in the diaspora activists dismiss as simpletons every talk >> about rallying the cause for change through legal democratic means. And the >> wonder in that is how come a protester in New York considers his actions >> more effectual than the one that organizes internally and close to home and >> to undoing the common problem. >> >> Fact is, political change is brought about through the manifestations of >> the internal dynamics of a given society and such affects need to be worked >> on actively in order to attain the desired effect. Passivity is never a >> potent political tool and cannot be a wholesome substitute for active >> internal organization. What is required is the coupling of the two for >> optimal gain. This is why diaspora Gambians must build on their united >> efforts for protestations and move on to concretely charting strategies and >> activities with the ground forces. >> >> Change can never be sustained at the back of the people. Hence the >> opposition forces must be encouraged and enabled in their work to organize >> the people. Only an organized people can withstand the most arduous of >> challenges thrown in their path to salvation. And this crucial work can >> only be implemented in today’s Gambia, by those on the ground working with >> the people. In the Gambia there exist no civil society body that is >> invested in the business of organizing the people around their civic rights >> and responsibilities. >> >> Needless to say, the opposition parties are the only existing lifeline >> for democratic change in the Gambia and they most intensify their work in >> preparing and agitating the people for change. 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