Well am not against anybody going after anyone's public positions or matters. Nor am i a partisan person. Asking Ousaunou to quit because you're quitting is also not a criticism. The age limit is a law. Leave it to the individual or his party. I can't see how OJ can make such decide for UDP or Ousainou. Or is OJ still about 'if not me then not him'. Maybe/not he doesn't have to go there - the law will do that as it is. For the bigger issue - why quit? Is our fight about his/their presidential ambition or getting our republic working for all. If the later is anyone's cause - the fight continuous and no quoting of anyone. Those in it for presidential ambition can go home if they reach that age limit. Those in it to establish a functioning democratic republic has every work left to be done - and quitting is not a good option. Again i hold brief for no individual/group and am not hurt talking giod/bad about anyone. including myself. My contributions are how such attitudes has always hampered our efforts to do the right and real work. Burama On Thursday, September 25, 2014, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > The idea that no member of other political parties or citizens should make > comments or give their opinions about other political parties or public > figures is simply preposterous to me. It appears to me we often show our > anger against each other more vigorously than the status quo. We all got > giants of problems in our respective parties and organizations and instead > of addressing those, as soon as someone touches on our weaknesses all hell > breaks lose... This is what we call DANKO in mandinka... God how I missed > the likes of Shyngle Nyassi (RIP) who self critique first and never shy > away from saying it as it is... God safe our sinking nation!!! > > Demba > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:32 AM, UDP United Kingdom < > [log in to unmask] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: > >> And by the way Mr Dummy New Yorker, the last time Halifa Sallah >> was elected to any executive position within PDOIS was almost 14yrs ago, >> 2001 in Wuli Taibatu. What does that say about him; a self perpetuating >> Laurent Gbarbo type pugnacious narcissist Dictator. >> >> The above is just plain truth, guys. Nothing personal. >> >> Daffeh >> >> On Thursday, 25 September 2014, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> I still can't see a valid reason OJ telling Ousainou to quit or step >>> aside. >>> >>> As a matter of law - Ousainou will face it by himself. >>> >>> As a matter of party - UDP will comply with the law or not. The >>> consequences will be felt. If any of those consequences affect our broader >>> goal, maybe OJ could chip in. Up until now that doesn't seem to be the >>> case- why not leave it to Ousainou and his party. >>> >>> As a matter of personal friendship - why not do that behind the scene? >>> >>> My only conclusion (wrong or right) is the envy of these personalities >>> can't stop bubbling up - the language in the NADD is my proof. That >>> document was designed to tight up one another into failure. >>> >>> Our national agenda is the victim. Let us unity to establish a >>> functioning democratic republic. The playing ground would be level and >>> opportunities equal. >>> >>> Note that am not saying he can't say what he chooses to say......I guess >>> am after the motive. >>> >>> Burama >>> >>> On Thursday, September 25, 2014, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> Nyang, >>>> >>>> Step aside, quit, what is the difference? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Samsung Mobile >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: Modou Nyang >>>> Date:25/09/2014 5:45 PM (GMT+01:00) >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> Subject: Re: PPP's Omar Jallow Calls UDP's Darboe to Join Him and Quit >>>> Due to Age Limit >>>> >>>> Kejau, first i do not think "quit" is the right choice of word here. >>>> "To step aside" as OJ was quoted saying and to "quit" mean different >>>> things. >>>> Having said that, i see nothing wrong in OJ's statement. Ousainou may >>>> not like it just as he have shown in his reaction but that's just what it >>>> is. >>>> >>>> As for Burama, looking at everything in our political situation with >>>> the same lenses is not helpful. Take this issue for what it is and "quit" >>>> interpreting it for what it is not. >>>> >>>> But for that "UDP" squealer in the UK no one is moved by his rants. >>>> Darboe said it all: "Our presidential candidate is not selected by the >>>> congress but by the selection committee. In fact, candidates for all >>>> elective positions are selected by the selection committee." >>>> For me this is the take out from this wahala. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:26 AM, Burama Jammeh < >>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> They and all us for that matter should make this struggle about >>>> making our nation a functioning democratic republic. >>>> >>>> Our primary problem shouldn't be about individuals or groups. Surely >>>> we will eventually be in different parties with opposing views but am not >>>> sure if that's at play here. >>>> >>>> I couldn't see the need for OJ telling Ousainou to quit. OJ may quit >>>> or not that his choice or the law. The later may have the same effect >>>> on Ousainou - if so why then insert himself there? >>>> >>>> These where the untouched/untold problems a mere political union >>>> couldn't be forged. >>>> >>>> Let's make it The Gambia for now. >>>> >>>> Again am not holding brief for anyone! >>>> >>>> Burama >>>> >>>> On Thursday, September 25, 2014, UDP United Kingdom < >>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Burama, well OJ had an opportunity to compete against Darboe in the >>>> 2006 presidential election but he chickened out, didn't he?? Clearly that >>>> was a lost opportunity as OJ was the favourite for most people within NADD >>>> at the time. >>>> >>>> I wonder whether he can tell us which law in The Gambia states that a >>>> presidential candidate of a political party would have to be a party >>>> leader since his argument is premised on the point that Darboe is not >>>> qualify to run for president as a result of the upper age limit in the >>>> constitution. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Daffeh >>>> >>>> On Thursday, 25 September 2014, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It appears to me OJ viewed Osuainou as his competition rather than a >>>> pattern for the bigger problem. >>>> >>>> We've to go back to what I wrote about NADD and uniting the parties >>>> in general. >>>> >>>> Burama >>>> >>>> On Thursday, September 25, 2014, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Kejau >>>> >>>> Am all good for these leaders to challenge each other on everything >>>> public. >>>> >>>> However that's not the case here. There is a law in books that state >>>> someone can't be a candidate if /'s/he reaches certain age. >>>> >>>> Why should OJ tell Ousainou that time is up? As he decide to quit, I >>>> hope we will hear what Ousainou will do. >>>> >>>> Whether hypocrisy or anything we want to it. >>>> >>>> Be careful pointing fingers - well not the time but we have a lot to >>>> point at PPP administration which OJ is a member and all will be about >>>> Gambia and not their person. >>>> >>>> Again am not holding brief for Ousainou/UDP. >>>> >>>> Burama >>>> >>>> On Thursday, September 25, 2014, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Burama. >>>> >>>> I think we should be careful when we point our fingers at others a >>>> the thumb points at us. >>>> Darboe and others are not pursuing legal means to change the law as far >>>> as know but employing only boycotts and pleadings. >>>> I see no hypocrisy since he is quitting too and it's a democracy and >>>> people should be able criticize each other without being label hypocrite or >>>> resorting to insults. >>>> Until we learn to be accept criticisms, we will continue changing one >>>> tyrant for another. >>>> Kejau >>>> >>>> Sent from Samsung Mobile >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: Burama Jammeh >>>> Date:25/09/2014 2:43 PM (GMT+01:00) >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> Subject: Re: PPP's Omar Jallow Calls UDP's Darboe to Join Him and Quit >>>> Due to Age Limit >>>> >>>> This is no critisim of Ousainou/UDP. He's asking him what's in the >>>> law. Let him leave that to Ousainou and his lawyers. >>>> >>>> It may even make some sense if OJ call on others to find ways to >>>> challenge this in democratic provisions of the law. >>>> >>>> Him leaving is a personal/legal matter. It has nothing to do with >>>> Ousainou. Since they are different individuals and parties I see no reason >>>> how OJ can justifiable make that call. >>>> >>>> In another area he may come in. For instance if Ousainou defy the >>>> ban/age limit. And there is a national diwnside, here too he may preferably >>>> behind close door counsel for Ousainou to quit for the common good. >>>> >>>> For disclosure I am not standing for Ousainou/UDP. >>>> >>>> Am trying to point the hypocrisy that consumed our politics for long. >>>> >>>> Burama >>>> >>>> On Thursday, September 25, 2014, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Interesting observation, Burama. >>>> I however think it is healthy to debate and be critical of each other >>>> in a democracy and not be accused of ulterior motives. OJ can criticize >>>> Darboe and UDP or anyone or any party for that matter and that party >>>> militants too can criticize him or his party in a mature way and that is >>>> what happened here. We have to learn to accept criticism in good faith >>>> without insults, as only then can expect democracy to live in our country. >>>> >>>> Kejau >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 07:53:57 -0400 >>>> From: [log in to unmask] >>>> Subject: Re: PPP's Omar Jallow Calls UDP's Darboe to Join Him and Quit >>>> Due to Age Limit >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> >>>> Isn't funny! >>>> >>>> If he knows age limitation hit and ready to quit .....let him do so. >>>> >>>> I see no reason he can connect that to any other individual's. >>>> >>>> I can only hope those other individuals will make the same >>>> realization/determination on their own and decide appropriately. >>>> >>>> At times is very doubtful why are we ( or some) are in this supposed >>>> struggle. Is it against one and another? At least at party levels it >>>> sometimes appears so. >>>> >>>> Burama >>>> >>>> On Thursday, September 25, 2014, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> PPP's Omar Jallow Calls UDP's Darboe to Join Him and Quit Due to Age >>>> Limit >>>> <http://gambiadaily.co.uk/homepage/news/ppp-s-omar-jallow-calls-udp-s-darboe-to-join-him-and-quit-due-to-age-limit> >>>> Share <http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php> >>>> >>>> The leader of The Gambia's opposition party PPP, the party that was >>>> illegally overthrown by the incumbent's military junta, OJ has joined >>>> others in urging the long serving leader of the United Democratic >>>> Party to join him in quitting politics to make way for younger and >>>> qualified party members to take the leadership mantle, due to the >>>> constitutional age limits placed in Section 62(b*) *which states that >>>> (the president) should …*attained the minimum age of thirty years but >>>> not more than sixty-five years.* >>>> OJ, who was the parliamentary member for Serekunda East for the 30 >>>> years PPP regime, was recently seen to be acting as the leader of the PPP >>>> even though PPP has never filed a presidential candidate since 1994. >>>> He was speaking in an interview with Gambia’s Today Newspaper and has >>>> been commended by many as being brave to come up with pronouncements like >>>> this, as the UDP militants do not often take lightly to criticisms of their >>>> leader. Others however condemned his actions as divisive and unnecessary. >>>> This editorial, however believes that Gambian politics and politicians >>>> should be think skinned and take and give criticisms in good faith. This is >>>> healthy and necessary in a democracy. >>>> Read More >>>> <http://gambiadaily.co.uk/homepage/news/ppp-s-omar-jallow-calls-udp-s-darboe-to-join-him-and-quit-due-to-age-limit>Comment >>>> (0) >>>> <http://gambiadaily.co.uk/homepage/news/ppp-s-omar-jallow-calls-udp-s-darboe-to-join-him-and-quit-due-to-age-limit#section-kmt>Hits: >>>> 0 >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 07:42:47 -0400 >>>> From: [log in to unmask] >>>> Subject: Ghana's Gyan denies sacrifice rumour >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> >>>> Ghana's Gyan denies sacrifice rumour >>>> Last updated 5 hours ago >>>> [image: Asamoah Gyan] >>>> Gyan scored for Ghana during their 2-2 draw with Germany at this >>>> summer's World Cup >>>> Ghana captain Asamoah Gyan says claims that he killed his friend and >>>> Ghanaian rapper Castro as part of a ritual sacrifice are "wild and absurd". >>>> Afrobeats artist Castro, whose real name is Theophilus Tagoe, went >>>> missing, along with friend Janet Bandu, in July. >>>> They disappeared while using jet skis on holiday with former Sunderland >>>> striker Gyan's family in the Ghanaian coastal town of Ada. >>>> Allegations in Ghana's media suggested the disappearance was suspicious. >>>> Castro and Bandu were last seen heading towards the ocean on a jet ski >>>> and were presumed drowned. >>>> [image: Castro] >>>> No bodies were recovered and rumours continued to circulate this month >>>> when Gyan's brother, Baffour Gyan, was alleged to have been part of a gang >>>> which attacked a journalist who had asked the player about the rumours. The >>>> assault charges on Baffour Gyan have now been dropped. >>>> The speculation prompted 28-year-old Gyan, who joined United Arab >>>> Emirates side Al-Ain in 2011, to hold a press conference. >>>> His lawyer Kissi Agyabeng said the family had been "dismayed" and had >>>> remained silent until now as they did not want to interfere with police >>>> investigations. >>>> The statement read: "What sells in the media, and what indeed sold and >>>> is still selling in the media in Ghana are wild allegations and rumours >>>> directed especially at Asamoah Gyan - ranging from the absurd - of the >>>> imputation of criminality to him in the sense that he either murdered >>>> Castro or had him kidnapped - and ending with the ludicrous - that he >>>> sacrificed him spiritually to enhance his career. >>>> [image: Asamoah Gyan] >>>> Asamoah Gyan shared the statement via his Twitter account >>>> "We have been silent while these wild allegations and rumours have >>>> been peddled in the media. >>>> "We have been silent not because we are concealing anything or that we >>>> do not feel the need to fully state what, from our reckoning, had happened >>>> in Ada. We have been silent because we did not want to interfere with >>>> police investigations and recently the leveling of assault charges against >>>> Baffour Gyan and Samuel Anim Addo, sealed our mouths further. >>>> "Now, we can come out openly because the police have stated their >>>> position and the assault charges against Baffour Gyan and Samuel Anim Addo >>>> have been dropped and they have been discharged. We will revisit this >>>> matter. >>>> "In our painful silence, we have been totally dismayed by the fact that >>>> the platform was provided for the peddling of these wild and ludicrous >>>> allegations and rumours against us. >>>> "Those to whom the platform was provided offered no evidence whatsoever >>>> to back their statements. 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