Demba
Driving right now! Promised to get back with you.
Burama
On Monday, November 17, 2014, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Burama,
>
> FYI: The latest on Burkina Faso... If anybody told you a month ago that
> Campaore will be history and Burkina Faso will have an opportunity to
> rebuild itself you wouldn't have believed it... Certainly Compaore has been
> in power far longer than Jammeh 27 years. So when people talk about
> optimism and fighting everyday for change this is what we are talking
> about... Nothing absolutely nothing is guarantee in this world... As they
> say if you praying pray as if that is your last prayer, if you living live
> as you will never die... This is the cross road we are on... Making any
> society a functional democracy is as much a dream as me hoping and fighting
> for Jammeh to fall TODAY!!!
>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-30076907
>
> Thanks
>
> Demba
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Musa Jeng <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
>
>> Burama:
>>
>> I know of no one who disagrees with the queries you highlighted in your
>> white paper, and continue to make that democracy and its institution is the
>> ultimate
>> solution to the Gambia's political evolution. In addition, you have also
>> argued that there is lot more to the Gambia's problem way before Jammeh and
>> definitely not Jammeh alone, and in the absence of the building blocks of
>> democracy, we will continue with the problem... a true argument. But, what
>> the good Doctor, Demba and lots of people would also like you to understand
>> is that, at this political juncture we will have to start with getting rid
>> of Jammeh, and that is not Jammeh the person per se, but everything he
>> represents. We will never be able to begin the implementation of the good
>> things in your white paper, if we cannot come up with a plan to remove
>> Jammeh, by all means necessary. Like Demba said, we can only do our part in
>> this long journey to build democracy in the Gambia and allow the future
>> generation to continue the necessary work of building and maintaining a
>> true democracy. But, for us we are faced with the huge task of removing
>> Jammnd, and that has to be the very task at hand for us.
>>
>> Thank you
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Bma Jammeh" <[log in to unmask]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>>
>> *To: *"and, The" <[log in to unmask]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:06:40 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [G_L] A 10-Year Agenda (By 2024) – Make Gambia A
>> Functioning Institutional Democracy
>>
>>
>> Demba
>>
>> The mad man is our own creation.
>>
>> If those countries are any better then I will contend they have a more
>> vibrant civil population than we do.
>>
>> Burama
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
>>
>>> Am with you Burama... Words with action.. Whether you know it or not
>>> action is being actively taken. As Dr. Jaiteh said they are not for public
>>> forums.. Agitate, agitate and agitate... And yes Burama those countries
>>> have began the path to Democracy and it will be left to their citizens to
>>> make it happen.. We have not started because of the road block. And yes
>>> those countries are better as their citizens are not disappearing in thin
>>> area, their journalists are not being murdered, their students are not
>>> being massacre... as it happened in Gambia... Their Presidents are not
>>> claiming to cure aids or barren or Ebola... We have a mad man Burama..
>>>
>>> Thanks and good night
>>>
>>> Demba
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Demba
>>>>
>>>> All the countries you mentioned are no different from Gambia - one way
>>>> or another. Just because they hold election or some transition. Isn't that
>>>> what Gambia did some 18 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Don't fall to rhetoric. Am not against you in this struggle - but
>>>> hoping will not cut it. Am simply being realistic!
>>>>
>>>> I told you this before and I will repeat it - if we are that ready,
>>>> aware, inform, needy, etc. as you claimed, why wait for another leader to
>>>> utilize our new capabilities- let's begin with Yahya. After all you said
>>>> he's the problem. Something is missing with that logic.
>>>>
>>>> We can put words together, we can convince ourselves on this or that-
>>>> Demba nothing will happen on our terms until we get up and start doing
>>>> something about it. Its a hard work but we can do it. I happily call you to
>>>> join me in that marketing.
>>>>
>>>> Burama
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Burama,
>>>>>
>>>>> In Guinea Conakry a junior military officer took out Captain Dada who
>>>>> staged a military coup... What do we have in Guinea today? In Mali there
>>>>> was a military take over from Tumani Toure, what do we have in Mali today -
>>>>> a transition to civilian. In Guinea Bissau there was a military take over
>>>>> several of them- they just concluded an election and a civilian is in
>>>>> charge... Africa of yesterday and today are different. The world have seen
>>>>> what military cum civilian leaders are made up and they are not standing
>>>>> and watching... In Burkina Faso there is attempt to instill a military
>>>>> dictatorship - guess what is happening ECOWAS, AU and the International
>>>>> community are on them..pressure for civilian rule...
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the Gambian people are desperate for change and not any change
>>>>> but change that will give us the chance to redirect the fight for
>>>>> democracy... If there is any military push against Yahya I guarantee you
>>>>> that military will no longer survive in Gambia or enjoy the same benefits
>>>>> of the doubt that was given to Yahya... we learned our lesson the hard way.
>>>>> Gambian families whose love ones are disappearing or being incarcerated
>>>>> everyday and youths who are being arrested and detained are desperate and
>>>>> yes, I am desperate to get rid of Yahya by all means possible.. We will
>>>>> then draw new battle lines with the new reality of the world... Get him
>>>>> outta there through a bullet or what have you... He is an enemy of the
>>>>> nation period..
>>>>>
>>>>> Demba
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Burama Jammeh <
>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Demba
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to think we are not that desperate to out source The Gambia
>>>>>> problem to another military junta. SM Dibba and his NCP in some ways told
>>>>>> us Jawara and PPP were up to no good - our response, he was jealous and
>>>>>> tribalist. Yahya came we dance and surprised ourselves as the revelations
>>>>>> of the commissions were strange. Whether am loved or not we will be faced
>>>>>> with what am selling today - so my advice is to look at the messages and
>>>>>> not the messengers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are wrong tomthink a supposed coup is legitimate because is
>>>>>> against Yahya - it's in not lawful. That's not to say if someone remove
>>>>>> Yahya by coup I will sadden. One thing is almost certain a military coup
>>>>>> will only produce a dictatorship. By stretching thought line of thought (
>>>>>> anything but Yahya) - the whole purpose of our struggle is muddied up and
>>>>>> worth not our fight. We are better than that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please look at Gambia as your/our goal. Only use Yahya's wrong as a
>>>>>> motivation. I believe you will find an independent legitimate goal for
>>>>>> your/our actions/inactions bigger than Yahya. Let's reclaim our republic -
>>>>>> that's legitimate!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My immediate problem with the Yahya-obsessive-syndrome is the
>>>>>> inenabling effect. Now it appears we have resigned to leaving it to Godly
>>>>>> intervention. Isnt that sad with all our smart folks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nonetheless if I am shown practical political ways to remove Yahya -
>>>>>> I will join that fight. But I will not support a military efforts -
>>>>>> I rather stay quiet in US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a legitimate ground to stage a coup against Yahya. He
>>>>>>> continue to celebrate an illegal unconstitutional take over of a government
>>>>>>> and he continue to violate every aspect of the law of the land. So as much
>>>>>>> as I don't trust uniform men with power, I am damn well open to fighting
>>>>>>> another uniform men with a different reality of the world today than when
>>>>>>> Yahya came. We won't be burned three times Burama! We have learned enough..
>>>>>>> full me once, twice shame on you.. the third time is on me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Demba
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Burama Jammeh <
>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Demba
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My marketing role is to try convince you that - Yahya is a problem
>>>>>>>> and not the problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's go after the problem - the end result will get rid of Yahya
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Burama, you have to admit that in fact '*Yahya is the problem and
>>>>>>>>> a problem'. *Are there other problems of course, will there be
>>>>>>>>> other problems of course but as you often say Identify the problem before
>>>>>>>>> tackling the solution... You must define* everything involving
>>>>>>>>> Yahya Jammeh as a fundamenta*l *problem*before we find a solution
>>>>>>>>> to the other questions... This is where the effort to find a solution will
>>>>>>>>> begin. I guarantee you the fight for a functioning Democracy in Gambia and
>>>>>>>>> Africa in General will outlive you and all of us here... we can only do our
>>>>>>>>> part to the best of our abilities and let the next generation pick up where
>>>>>>>>> we left off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks to both of you for a fruitful discussion.... A journey with
>>>>>>>>> thousand miles begin with a step... the restoration of the fight for
>>>>>>>>> democracy and rule of law begins with elimination of Yahya Jammeh and his
>>>>>>>>> likes... with or without him we will continue to fight...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Demba
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Burama Jammeh <
>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Malanding
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's very clear!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're a big brother and mentor so I have no interest
>>>>>>>>>> personalizing our discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your rationale is problematic though! Yahya is a problem but not
>>>>>>>>>> the problem. We couldnt progress because we made Yahay our goal. Because
>>>>>>>>>> he's 800lbs and we are 10 lbs or less - it can't work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Our goal is and should be A Democratic Gambia. Simply digging
>>>>>>>>>> this out will provide many outlets that you, me and all else can do
>>>>>>>>>> something to begin the change. I will be Ben go further to predict that
>>>>>>>>>> until we put our arms around this common legitimate claim ours all else
>>>>>>>>>> will fail at some stage. No wonder 20 years of call to unity gone nowhere -
>>>>>>>>>> b cause the agenda is not common.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This notion that Yahya would/won't is self inflicted defeat. Why
>>>>>>>>>> should we care Yahya when we opposed almost everything he does? Yahya is
>>>>>>>>>> not and can't stop us. Yahya should In fact serve as a motivator for our
>>>>>>>>>> cause.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you focus on message and not the messengers am confident you
>>>>>>>>>> will see my view point. Is a different matter whether you agree or disagree.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Malanding Jaiteh <
>>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Burama,
>>>>>>>>>>> I will not question your sincerity or call you names. That is
>>>>>>>>>>> not who I am. My point before and now is, little of the 6 points you
>>>>>>>>>>> listed can be implemented while the proverbial "800 pound gorilla" is in
>>>>>>>>>>> the Gambia's political space.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Malanding
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/11/2014 1:06 PM, Burama Jammeh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Malanding
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good that you tell them elections against Yahya is not the way
>>>>>>>>>>> at this point! I stopped a party earlier on and I also did; the party not
>>>>>>>>>>> listening didn’t stop me, after all is Gambia and I have my equity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not enough to stop there - because that means leaving it to
>>>>>>>>>>> divine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It also saddened me to hear you said "is there fight and not
>>>>>>>>>>> yours" - where’re you in this? Its your fight and there is no one to do it
>>>>>>>>>>> for you. This is one aspect of our problem - an enlightened like you
>>>>>>>>>>> amongst us throw in the towel……….
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you’re suggesting am pontificating and doing academic
>>>>>>>>>>> niceties - i must admit I suspect that from your first respond. Instead of
>>>>>>>>>>> dwelling on the merits/demerits of my posting but went to tell me there are
>>>>>>>>>>> many smart Gambians. My interpretation of that is ‘am acting as smart ass’.
>>>>>>>>>>> Am not bordered what you think am doing. Small or big I earned what I
>>>>>>>>>>> turned out to be.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My sincere efforts are directed to igniting interest to take on
>>>>>>>>>>> the evil at home as i see it. I hope to convinced others - that’s all I can
>>>>>>>>>>> task myself as an individual. If me writing down my views is pontification
>>>>>>>>>>> or academic niceties - am proud to have such earned ability.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Malanding Jaiteh <
>>>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Burama,
>>>>>>>>>>> Your question: "have you ever suggest to those busy trying for
>>>>>>>>>>> almost 20 years to put the opposition together for another election that
>>>>>>>>>>> Yahya is calling shots in Banjul? "
>>>>>>>>>>> My answer: Yes, way back in 1995. First we warned them not to
>>>>>>>>>>> participate in elections with Yahya on the ballot. For that will
>>>>>>>>>>> effectively legitimize his tenure and they did not heed! Then we asked
>>>>>>>>>>> them to come together as a unified group (NADD), they did not heed. Now
>>>>>>>>>>> what do I say to them? Nothing! It is their fight not mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You see this democracy we all cherish in the United States was
>>>>>>>>>>> only instituted AFTER they forced Her Majesty's British empire to
>>>>>>>>>>> reluctantly give-up. And that was not done through pontification or
>>>>>>>>>>> academic niceties either.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Malanding
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/11/2014 12:24 PM, Burama Jammeh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Malanding
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now we are back to the good debate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere in my posting I said we can debate how this can be
>>>>>>>>>>> attain - that suggests I know it will neither drop on the head of Yahya
>>>>>>>>>>> nor will he be happy with our faces to embrace it.
>>>>>>>>>>> In short something above, below and/or around Yahya has to
>>>>>>>>>>> happen - when we did that; it will not be up to Yahya who calls shots in
>>>>>>>>>>> Banjul. We will eventually call the shots
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here is why am a bit troubled about your rationale ("Yahya
>>>>>>>>>>> will/will not…")- have you ever suggest to those busy trying for almost 20
>>>>>>>>>>> years to put the opposition together for another election that Yahya is
>>>>>>>>>>> calling shots in Banjul? Thought if he wouldn’t allow a constitution
>>>>>>>>>>> re-write equally he wouldn’t allow anyone declare a winner in an election
>>>>>>>>>>> he’s the contestant. That leaves us with nothing other than divine
>>>>>>>>>>> intervention
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My proposal was a strip-down version of my views - it only shows
>>>>>>>>>>> what our end goals are to make Gambia ‘A Functioning Institutional
>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy’. I didn’t put there what i think could be done to get there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you would agree should democratic forces take over Gambia
>>>>>>>>>>> today - we would need a better constitution (hence a rewrite); new rule of
>>>>>>>>>>> law and due process regimes, build the capacity of our people (to sustain
>>>>>>>>>>> democracy) and collect and manage basic social data for both inform
>>>>>>>>>>> decision making and accountability
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m fully aware that we are currently at the end of
>>>>>>>>>>> weakness……our first task should be to move to strength (amass political
>>>>>>>>>>> leverage) and only then Yahya will have incentive to give-in to demands of
>>>>>>>>>>> a democratic movement of the people of Gambia.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This can’t and will neither be done by aliens nor by divine
>>>>>>>>>>> intervention. It will be done by people of The Gambia hopefully led by
>>>>>>>>>>> those you know to be smart amongst us.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That’s my view! That’s all I share! My only one hope is to
>>>>>>>>>>> ignite interest that we take another crack at it but from a different
>>>>>>>>>>> perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Malanding Jaiteh <
>>>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Burama,
>>>>>>>>>>> I am afraid I can not answer your many questions (time
>>>>>>>>>>> limitation) but will assure you that I am not dismissing your proposal. All
>>>>>>>>>>> I am trying to do is to put things in perspective. That "re-write of the
>>>>>>>>>>> constitution, create environment and mechanisms to uphold the
>>>>>>>>>>> constitution" and the like will not fly when Mr. Jammeh is calling the
>>>>>>>>>>> shots in Banjul.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Malanding
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/11/2014 11:26 AM, Burama Jammeh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Malanding
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Great biblical perspectives!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What's wrong with what I proposed? Or shouldn't I throw that in
>>>>>>>>>>> the chat room? Or did I suggest that there are short supply of smart
>>>>>>>>>>> Gambians? Many questions.....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your take about how dictators behave is well placed. However I
>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't connect it as a response to what I post. Unless you are alluding
>>>>>>>>>>> to leave Yahya alone because he's too dangerous and his reactions are
>>>>>>>>>>> unpredictable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To add - however crazy or dangerous Yahya and people like him
>>>>>>>>>>> maybe, it's a problem for us to fix. No other person on the face of the
>>>>>>>>>>> earth will do it for us. After 20 years and counting each of us should be
>>>>>>>>>>> able to tell the other what we think is the best option. That wouldn't me
>>>>>>>>>>> the other will agree but at least it shows........ That's what I did!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To brush aside everything! Or to say no to everything! Or to
>>>>>>>>>>> hope that the problem will go away by itself.....Or to rely on some devine
>>>>>>>>>>> intervention! Or to wait for another coup....etc. will not happen and if it
>>>>>>>>>>> does we will be trampled by the new sheriff.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My hope is we use those histories you cited to shape our own
>>>>>>>>>>> destiny on our own terms. We failed to fix the Jawara problem. Yahya
>>>>>>>>>>> came with the promises to fix it and many danced - now we know he is worst.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the smart people? Are they truly smart? Why didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> they fix it? Why did they create it? Maybe smart for the wrong reasons
>>>>>>>>>>> after all .......
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you suggesting my proposal has no merit? Are you suggesting
>>>>>>>>>>> we wait for Devine intervention? Again I am not getting your point.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Finally I will be glad we work behind close doors to come up
>>>>>>>>>>> with a solution if that's the proffered approach. As there is no such
>>>>>>>>>>> efforts, at least not known to me, I choose to put up my views
>>>>>>>>>>> in the public domain. The purpose is to entice Gambians to begin some good
>>>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Malanding Jaiteh <
>>>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Burama,
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not be about what you or I prefer, it is what the
>>>>>>>>>>>> situation demands. The Gambia under Jammeh is nothing new in this world,
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the "immortal" Pharoah in the people of the book to infamous mortals
>>>>>>>>>>>> like Pinochet, Idi Amin, Bokassa, Samuel Doe, Mobutu, Saikou Toure, Saddam,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Qadafi and now Campoare. All comes down to man consumed by urge to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> alpha-dog among their peers. I am not a psycho-analyst but these people
>>>>>>>>>>>> can hardly contained themselves when challenged. And history has taught us
>>>>>>>>>>>> that none of these chaps wake up in morning and say they give-up or retire.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact the contrary is true. To them each day is consumed by what can they
>>>>>>>>>>>> do to last even longer, first making sure they "newlal" their hair as gray
>>>>>>>>>>>> suggests mortality. In addition to maintaining their youthful image, they
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to us to perceive them as daring machos who will bring down the sky if
>>>>>>>>>>>> provoked! And they mean that too. Those infected by this power bug can not
>>>>>>>>>>>> safe themselves, and literally have to be subdued!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subdue does not necessarily mean we must go to war. We were
>>>>>>>>>>>> told the Pharoah was so powerful that the Almighty God had to be directly
>>>>>>>>>>>> involved in his subdue! Our most recent mortals had to be wrestled,
>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes forcefully. The trouble is even in the dog world, a deposed
>>>>>>>>>>>> alpha-dog is at best kicked out of the pack and often left to die a
>>>>>>>>>>>> miserable death! Unlike you and I who do not live the life of alpha-dog,
>>>>>>>>>>>> these guys know exactly what it means to lose and as such will do
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything in their power to prolong their tenure! The fact is the longer
>>>>>>>>>>>> these folks stay in control the more damage they do themselves, the country
>>>>>>>>>>>> and people they claim to love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As to responding to you question on "how do we subdue the knife
>>>>>>>>>>>> guy (Yahya) .."? The people of the book taught us that even the Almighty
>>>>>>>>>>>> God conspired against the Pharoah by hiding from him the identity of "boy"
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Musa) or his methods, whose destiny would be to end his rule. In other
>>>>>>>>>>>> words, such methods are best discussed in backrooms and not chat rooms!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Malanding
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/11/2014 12:29 AM, Burama Jammeh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Malanding
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Share how do we subdue the knife guy (Yahya) first - if that’s
>>>>>>>>>>>> your preferred approach?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If others preferred the various approaches you referred to - I
>>>>>>>>>>>> preferred as in the original posting - where am I wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Malanding Jaiteh <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Burama,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some will argue that Mr. Jammeh's hold on the Gambia is no
>>>>>>>>>>>> different from a lone guy holding hostage a bus load of passengers. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>> all about "hedging one's bet". When life is threatened some prefer to
>>>>>>>>>>>> "play dead" or "surrender the cash box" so to speak until they are sure
>>>>>>>>>>>> what the future holds. Yes we can blame the "enablers", "collaborators" or
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Almighty God who created mankind that raised the knife-wielding
>>>>>>>>>>>> thug? Most people will want to first subdue the knife wielding maniac, "
>>>>>>>>>>>> jump on the guy when the chance is right" before putting in place controls
>>>>>>>>>>>> to avoid another incident.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Malanding
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2014 4:35 PM, Burama Jammeh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your rationale at best is flawed and worst is wrong. You said
>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of smart people but one person (Yahya) trampled on is all. You may be
>>>>>>>>>>>> right many smart people but our problem has nothing or little to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>> smartness. After all of our political problems are the creation of these
>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed smart people and not the farmers, vendors and tax drivers, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> More importantly though, if your characterization of Yahya holds did you
>>>>>>>>>>>> ever told other efforts such as contesting elections against Yahya is
>>>>>>>>>>>> futile?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned that in fact our laws weren't too bad but the
>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation - that until enough requisite capacity obtain amongst our
>>>>>>>>>>>> people functioning democracy will never show up at our shores.
>>>>>>>>>>>> These problems started long before Yahya and likely to continue if we
>>>>>>>>>>>> should succeed with the current election agenda. The only difference is -
>>>>>>>>>>>> it will be another person.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me agree with you for a moment - let the smart people come
>>>>>>>>>>>> out and tell us what we can/could do. Is not enough to say Yahya is so bad
>>>>>>>>>>>> that about 2 million population has not solution with all that smart people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will submit that the supposed smart folks are our problem -
>>>>>>>>>>>> they created everything that's wrong in country. Fifty years and counting -
>>>>>>>>>>>> cut a check at the office of accountant general - 5 minutes later no one
>>>>>>>>>>>> can trace its route with documentation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I salute the farmers, vendors, masoner, carpenters, tax
>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers, etc. who pay their taxes and/or royalties and in return not loot
>>>>>>>>>>>> the public coffer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not insinuating that every learned Gambian is bad - am
>>>>>>>>>>>> only saying amongst them we grow all these problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 10, 2014, Malanding Jaiteh <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Burama,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To answer your question at the end, this is pure poppycock to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> put it mildly, as long as Mr. Jammeh calls the shots in Banjul! The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gambia's problem is not about lack of smart people, or lack of good ideas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or good laws. The problem is twenty years ago someone decided to take the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> government BY FORCE!! During these years he removed long-term civil
>>>>>>>>>>>>> servants at will and without compensation for their service, incarcerated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens for refusing to give up their properties and businesses,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> executed military officers for "conspiring against him" without the right
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a fair trial, and even denied the remains of opponents to be interred
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Gambia. Go read the current constitution and tell me where such acts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are condone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now how do you re-write the constitution, create environment
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and mechanisms to uphold the constitution when Mr. Jammeh is calling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shots in Banjul? Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malanding Jaiteh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2014 1:32 PM, Burama Jammeh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Rewrite the constitution:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - that recognizes The Gambia as a republic and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people have collective responsibility to manage it (the constitution didn’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>> create the republic)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - that numerates our rights as a recognition but not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation hence guarantee their maximum protection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - create a limited, separated and decentralized
>>>>>>>>>>>>> governance structure with clearly defined authorities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - free the constitution of matters are should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> legislated such as parastatal divesture
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - limit the role of the presidency to half a page
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (font 11) and the whole constitution 25 pages or less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Create environment and mechanisms to uphold and defend
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the constitution. This is difficult than writing one. This is where we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> always failed. Our constitution as is not terrible but the adherence is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost 100% none existence. To ensure such will not be a one off activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but multiple level and task efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Rule of law the dictator of everything state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) Due process of law dictator of everything state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5) Maintenance of basic social data for inform decision
>>>>>>>>>>>>> making and accountability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6) Capacity building – a people can’t sustain democracy if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do not acquire the requisite capacity to live a life of a democrat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Numbers 2 is the most difficult task here. Numbers 6 is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> most important and is only possible with a tangible republican environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the(a) only common agenda. This is the only agenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that guaranteed equal opportunity Gambia for all of us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Giving the current political and socioeconomic environment in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Gambia and our disjointed struggle – how do we do this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first essential step is communication…lets begin the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion of what really matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *"Be the change you want to see in the World"*
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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