Discussing Gambia has a meaning for me. Probably America does but not deserved my time on the radio.No sympathy for inbox fill up - that's the purpose of this forum. And am a late comer.With or without me - Gambians should be able to discuss what is expected of a president under democracy, preferably as concerned/politician Gambian and not an immigrant that has other interests like me.There are issues we cheer here, if they should happen on our land we will be on the opposing side. Not wrong - but honest separation needed.In America's democracy a president has no authority over the work of Congress. They make laws they want. President signs those he want. That's the equilibrium to work together for some consensus. Bullying everyone along the way maybe popular but not helpful. Obama may go down history as the less effective president of this country. Every president has opposition has he. Don't go in the kitchen if you can't take heat.There is a bipartisan bill - not binding congress to vote on it (that's why they didn't), we waited 6 years - yes long but there is no law within which they should do it. Executive authority is within the president's powers - but there is a limit otherwise is dictatorship. America in the pass has done well controlling the executive over reach but is in the increase every passing president. A slippery slope that both sides should commit to stopping before we decent into dictatorship. Every action will have beneficiaries- governments has the focus on national interest rather than blocs of interest groups. Under the federal system those are better handle at state level.Call me on Gambia! America is just forConversion.Just so you know - poor me make a living looking at computer screen all day. Thank God - smart phone and iPad reduced the static sitting at a spot.¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.htmlOk, you won't come to the radio to discuss American politics but you can here. I wonder what's the difference? Am up for discussion on Gambian, American or International issues related to politics or anything else. Either way a discussion will be healthy and probably more preferable than filling other people's in boxes. I can already hear some screaming with the back and forth....Many don't have the luxury of sitting on a computer all day... so if you desire we can move this discussion to a wider audience.
DembaOn Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:No!I'll not come to the radio to discuss American politics. I can come to discuss Gambia and in the process reference America.I wasn't putting words into your mouth - just trying to understand your position.3-co equal branches - Executive execute laws period; Congress make laws and the jucidiciary watch the actions of the 2 as to conformity to the constitution (reference document) and jucidicial reviews. Judiciary doesn't enforce laws in America. Execution is enforcement and that's the purview of the executive.Presidents establish working relation to get things to be made law as to support their policy prescriptions. If Congress don't - they are not bound president's wishes, time table. It's good every president has that politicking skill to maneuver this delibate set up to contain tyranny rather than a fiat. Here Obama months ago telling ordients he does have this authority and turn around I have the authority. Which one is right - no wonder his trustworthiness has gone down according to polls.Every president has opposition in America - Reagan never enjoy his party in control of congress, yet history suggest he's a successful president.If Obama can't get along with Congress that says more about him than those direct representatives of the people.The solution is not to introduce the beginning of dictatorship but go back to voters to kick them out. If that's the measure voters recently said they don't want what Obama want or his party.Work with them - don't caricature them. His actions will bite him or his party some day. Recently Reid changed long standing Senate rule - now he's in the minority. Unless Republicans reinstitute it (that would be wise); Obama can kiss his federal jucidicialnominees a good bye.Remember am an immigrant in America - am not arguing the merit/demerit of what Obama did. Am acting as a Gambian politician with such matter happening in Gambia.Again executive enforces laws and not the jucidiciary.¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.htmlBurama you said"If i get you right - Yahya can decide as he wish what NA do, not do, what's the time limit and when his action can override. Dictatorship!"No you putting words in my mouth. that is not what I said. You asked a question and I answered it with limitations.By the way President's are not elected to enforce laws the Judiciary does that. Presidents are elected to craft policies which are debated and enacted into law by Congress. If congress deliberately or unreasonably obstruct laws or refuse to legislate one way or another either because of ideology or just they hate the President then the system gives the President to remedy the situation AND that is what you are seeing Democracy at work!Secondly, Bush and Reagan acted on a bill that were passed by a Democratic house and congress or bipartisan if you may. Did you see any bipartisan bill out of this congress? I don't care what side of the aisle they are on, just pass common sense laws and allow the elected party to govern. When your turn comes you can undo things or do what you think is right and let the voters decided. That is Democracy. Is it perfect No. does it work hell yeah!Have a good weekend and let's get on the radio to discuss these things with others...
DembaOn Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:DembaAt least in America is 3 co equal branches - that means whether the other is inactive or opposed you, you can assume her functions or make ultimatums to her functions. It's deliberately set that way for purposeSurely presidents has prosecutorial discretion in implementing law. In doing so the question become what's reasonable discretion and what abdication of once duties. That doesn't mean one can suspend a whole law or good portions of it. You are elect to element laws on the books whether you like them or not. I don't know that limit but hopefully the 3rd branch comes in with help. Otherwise America is also heading for dictatorship. The next president is likely to stretch it further.Every president uses executive action. The Reagan and Bush executive actions where to reinforce and already passed law that has language fall short of intent. However Congress came after with adjoining bill to tell them that's one off and not there job to make laws. So somewhat similar but different context. Reagan and Bush shouldn't be allowed (slippery slow). Congress should have done the adjustments as appropriate.If i get you right - Yahya can decide as he wish what NA do, not do, what's the time limit and when his action can override. Dictatorship!In America whether the intent/purpose is good/bad Noam essential factor. The system is set that the president can't impose deadly lines or preferences which bills should be processed. The executives basic function is to faithfully execute laws on the books regardless new one is made or not. And he has zero authority to make new laws. If you flip it - Republican will claim Reid hold off over 300 bills. He can do it according to the system. The ultimate correction is the voters.Democracy is great but not easy. In a normal behave we cherish it when out but when in - different rationalizations/justificationsEvery American president has opposition. It's one requisite qualification to be able to deal with opposition - get 1 or 1/2 or1/4 or 0. They're obstructionist is not a good skill and remain valid because bias media bought into it.Obama has a veto proof major the first 2 years of his presidency - if immigrants are not used as political pawn a law could have passed that chart way for citizenship or permanent status. Nothing stopped him besides is not a priority - in those days a bill a week could happen lawfully.I wish life is fair so I don't have to rely on some nations pardon to be who we deserve to be. I wish Jawara managed ours better - I wouldn't knock on America's door for greener pasture. Unfortunately that's in the past and I have to face what obtain.¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.htmlAh Burama good question. People are elected to government and by that I mean in a true democracy the legislature is supposed to pass laws to address issues of national concern. The President is also elected to government alongside with the legislature. Of course you know the constitution gives the President the executive power to do certain things when there is either deadlock or deliberate attempt by the opposition to block certain actions...If that is the case in Gambia, where the house is deliberately blocking bills then yes I will be ok with the President issuing orders within his constitutional limits to allow foreign citizens to stay legally. Now the question here is whether the President indeed has the executive power to do so??? Well, Reagan did, Bush 1 & 2 did, Clinton did.. Every American President has issued executive orders. So it is constitutionally permitted in the US... what is different from Obama??? What say you?
DembaOn Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:DembaLet me ask the question differently - will you be ok Yahya legalize the stay of anyone who crosses from Cassamnance into Gambia? He or his parents probably are one of those. Or would you want democratic laws dictate how that is handled whether Yahya like that or not? Or would you be ok Yahya said I have weighted for the NA long enough or they haven't produce a bill I supported so am going it my way?Am equally an immigrant in America so don't doubt my feelings. But as a nationalist and/or policy maker in Banjul - Yahya should do as he sees fit?Burama¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.htmlThought provoking Burama. But for what it is worth!! I will choose to be a Democrat for the simple reason that on balance Democratic values are more aligned with my values in several fronts: First, on looking after the little guy and given opportunities for the poor to move up the ladder example: Social security and medicare benefits, minimum wage, healthcare for all, employer paid healthcare, equal pay for men and women, Public education and funding, taxation (the rich should pay more), accepting diversity/immigrants,On foreign policy: Respect for the sovereignty of other nations, no war without provocation etc ... I said on balance because my other values align with republican public stand on family values, marriage etc... Note: am not sure if Republicans really practice the family value they preach... family value start with treating the poor with respect and dignity... my two cents..
DembaOn Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:If this US immigration political fiasco is about The Gambia - what would be your position? Would you reason like Obama/Democrats or Rrpublicans? How did you pick sides?Burama
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Sure - flaws in America's democracy but it works for the most part or many parts.My question though - if some of those issues are debate in Gambia, would you be for Democrats or Republican argument/position.For instance - would you support voter ID or not in Gambia and would you prefer secure borders or not?Reference the 2 parties positions on these issues.I found many Gambians - those things in America - they're Democrat and Republican when is Gambia. I also have a close friend from Niger - he has the same changing positions of many things when is America and when is Niger.As you said is interesting. More importantly though truth is very relative to human nature.Burama
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.htmlExcuse my typos...I meant to say, I am not saying it is a perfect process, but way better. Thanks
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 08:25:10 -0600
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Interesting Burama. My vote, my voice. I however like the simplicity of the whole process and its organized nature. No big hassle at all in voting. Hopefully Africa will some day catch up to such a process and i am saying it is perfect. Keith Ellison and Al ,great minds, will continue to fight for the people ..a good chance of continuing to see their representation. Come out in your numbers and vote.¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤
Thanks for sharing.
Warm regards, Yero.
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 10:42:27 -0500
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> Subject: What Will You Be - Democrat or Republican?
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> Some or many of the hot political topics in US intrigue me. I view many differently as an immigrant in US and as concern citizen of everything politics in The Gambia. How about you?
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> - Vote ID/No Voter ID
> - Marriage - 1to1, gay/lesbian and polygamy
> - Minimum wage increase/no minimum wage or no increase
> - Comprehensive immigration reform/close the border first
> - Equal pay for equal work for genders
> - Sticker gun control/protection of 2nd amendment rights
> - War on women
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> Certainly some are not yet a political issue in Gambia such as gun control. Neither war on women make sense to me either - whatever side you maybe you have a mother, spouse and/or daughter. Doesn’t really make sense…..
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> But voter ID, Immigration and equal pay for equal work are relevant in Gambia.
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> Our economy is not seriously structured so am not sure if minimum wage/no or higher is so far an issue………I prefer one based on demand and supply as determinants rather than using some governmental distortion.
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> Marriage is an interesting one - in US marriage is a legal institution at state level primarily for material/asset management. In Gambia marriage is both religious and cultural - the rules were set based on one’s religion/culture and government recognizes those in case law needs to come in.
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> Sexuality - considering that people have right to choose who to associate - as a nation we can’t stop anyone from another but we also can’t be force to recognize you against our culture, religion or whatever that maybe. I guess guys, lesbians and bi-sexuals, etc can do there things so long they don’t offend anyone - that includes marriage as they see fit. Where do you stand?
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> What will you be - a democrat or Republican if these issues are debated in Gambia? Take immigration first because that has at least once some direct consequences on you or some loved one. Be honest!
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> Burama
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