Excellent comment Saiks, This is how we should treat this kind of issues,very matured and nothing personal. Thanks for the comments. Yeks >From: saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: BILAL/Saikss] >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:50:11 PDT > >yeks drame <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >' > > > > > > >Dear Yeks, > >Thank you for marking your point clear,speaking against Arab racism does >not >mean that we entatain injustice in our own country,that we have been >speaking >against and must continue to do so.Trying to link the two seems to be >justifying that we need to address own own situation rather than that of >others. > >Secondly I am of the opinion that poverty plays a great role in saying a >geriot should not be married to a free born.But deep in our hearts we know >that all these dividing lines are so false that you need to be told who is >considered a free born and geriot,infact these are things that our >generation >have known to be very central in the feudal system that have(is) been >oppressive.Some one was just remaining me that there was a time in our >history >being a geriot was itself a social status and when they lost their position >as >society develops they landed some where very unfortunate. > >For freedom > >Saiks > > > > > > > > > > > > >Check into your points more crictically and see what you are talking about! >We all know that there were"griots" who were not allowed to marry "nobles" >because of our traditional meanings of our social status! What social >chacteristics determines that? How does one become a griot, blacksmith, >cobla etc in our society? > >Infact I dont really mean that, its justificable and rigth for any kind of >a >"class" settings in our society ! >This is what I mean! like your comment-" there are griots in the Gambia in >the who have a better social status than you". Our attitutes towards each >other ,thats what definds all these manings and complications in our >society. We are all the same brother , no one is higher than the other. > >Freedom Saikss, for those under that social injustice and presure! > >Yahya (Yeks) > > >From: saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >STJOHNS.EDU> > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Re: [Re: BILAL/yeks drame] > >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:11:29 PDT > > > >Hi Yeks, > > > >The social status of people in the Gambia is not determind by their birth > >relationship,it is their class character.Their are geriots in the Gambia > >who > >have a better social status than you have,so your that point does not >hold > >water. > > > > > >For Freedom > >saikss > > > >I did not mean to cause you or make you upset. I was just trying to put >to > >your attention that Islam is not a racist religion, and inorder to >justify > >that was simple reason why I gave referece to the Quran. However I had > >noticed that you have not seen my point. > > > >Certainly, I am not claiming of any kind of vast knowledge of the Quran >but > >to my understanding it has answers to wether Islam can be > >racist religion or not .No one has been "brainwashed", Islam is a >reliogion > >of equality and brothrehood ! one human race! what the arabs think of >Bilal > >has nothing to do with Islam ! thats their attitude towards others who >look > >diferent from them. > > > >Bilals social status ? why that question ? what of my brother in the >Gambia > >being a griot, cobla, blacksmith etc and did not have the same social > >status > >as the noble ? Tell me that they are not all of the same creed, colour, > >country of origin, or religion ! > > > >Islam has nothing to do with Bilal's social problem , you can even see >the > >same problem in our own society, so why beating the bush about Bilal? >IS > >THE ATTITUDEOF PEOPLE TOWARDS OTHERS! > > > >Yahya > > > > > > > > >From: peter sanyang <[log in to unmask]> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >STJOHNS.EDU> > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > >Subject: Re: BILAL/yeks drame > > >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:25:11 PDT > > > > > >Thankz Mr. drame for ur kind offer but i don't need any Quran at this > > >moment > > >hence i have one of my own. Nonetheless, expressing my views critically > > >does > > >not in anyway or form signifies my religious standpoint. The Quran is > >holy > > >and i uphold that believing too but i still don't think that it >expresses > > >all my doubts as u happen to imply in ur response. If by chance u had a > > >better understanding on the marital status of Bilal why don't u simply > >tell > > >us hence the question at hand were; > > >1.Was Bilal ever married and if so with whom? > > >2.Did he had any offsprings? > > >3.Or did he died as a bachelor? > > > > > >I think with ur vast knowledge of the Quran u should be in a position >to > > >shed a better understanding on the matter. I, on the other hand, will > >take > > >ur advise and do some little bit more Quranic readings to help me > > >understand/clarify my doubts since u did not provide me with any except > > >branding me as a non-muslim in my quest of knowledge. > > > > > >Also, I did not make any misleading or unfound theories about Islam or > > >anybody per se. What i tried to do was simply express my understanding >as > > >to > > >Bilal's social status among those RACIST people whom I can attest have > > >never > > >completely accepted Bilal as an EQUAL due his SKIN COLOR!!!!!! However, > > >since it seems that u know all the nitty gritty of Islam than i do, I >am > > >then hereby appealing to u to TEACH ME!!!!! > > > > > >kittos > > >Peter > > > > > > > > >>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]> > > >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >STJOHNS.EDU> > > >>To: [log in to unmask] > > >>Subject: Re: BILAL > > >>Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:15:16 PDT > > >> > > >>Peter, > > >> > > >>If you are non Muslim which I guess you are, try and find out more > >about > > >>Islam before making such misleading and unfound theories. > > >> > > >>Can you please tell me which religious book in the face of the earth > > >>except > > >>the holly Quran that has a solution to the question you are raising? > >read > > >>the Quran brother and I promise, any thing that you want to know you > >will > > >>find the answer there!!!!! Islam is the only solution to your >problems > >! > > >>Find your self a Quran, if you cant let me just have your adress I >can > > >>send > > >>you one with English text, translation and comentary, Just drop a > >message. > > >> > > >>However, if you still want to go on with this debate you are most > >welcome. > > >> > > >>yahya > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: peter sanyang <[log in to unmask]> > > >>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >STJOHNS.EDU> > > >>>To: [log in to unmask] > > >>>Subject: Re: BILAL > > >>>Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:01:37 PDT > > >>> > > >>>To my understanding, Bilal was married at a very late age due to the > > >>>evidential degree of RACISM by his so called master (mohamed) and co. > >The > > >>>fellow actually has requested/expressed the desire of marriage on > >several > > >>>occasions only to be told to wait simply because HE WAS BLACK and the > > >>>potential candidates were ARAB or whatever u may wish to call them. > > >>> > > >>>This however indicates the reluctancy or the level of segregation >Islam > > >>>condones towards inter-racial marriages. Bilal was an obedient and > >loyal > > >>>servant to his masters or should I indicate that he was literally a > >SLAVE > > >>>AND STILL we are constantly brainwashed that ALL MUSLIMS ARE BROTHERS > >OR > > >>>EQUAL, what a contradiction. Or is it that Islam then and Islam now > >have > > >>>different values and connotations???? > > >>> > > >>>On a personal note, can any of our G-l prophets tell me why THERE HAS > > >>>NEVER > > >>>NEVER EVER BEEN AN AFRICAN PROPHET? OR WAS IT THAT WE WERE SO >SINLESS, > > >>>PURE, > > >>>ORIGINAL THAT GOD DID NOT BOTHER TO SEND ONE OF THESE HOLY TEACHERS? >As > >i > > >>>humbly understood from my basic quranic studies, these men (prophets) > > >>>were > > >>>sent to vicious and satanic communities/generations who were barbaric > >and > > >>>uncultured as was evident during the time of Islam's inception. > > >>> > > >>>Finally, i would like to state that these are just my view and is >not > > >>>intended to provoke anybody but would simply like to attain a better > > >>>understanding as to why such hypocrisy existed towards Bilal. > > >>>Islam/christianity to me was not meant for Africa hence god has never > > >>>sent > > >>>us any messengers since we were too good for their services. Both >these > > >>>ideological wagons of confusion and retardation were simply >instruments > > >>>which facilitate both the white man and the Arab with their trade and > > >>>exploitations. What good did both religions had on us? If u will ask > >me; > > >>>i > > >>>did say NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >>> > > >>>Kittos > > >>>Peter > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>From: Alieu Bah <[log in to unmask]> > > >>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >STJOHNS.EDU> > > >>>>To: [log in to unmask] > > >>>>Subject: BILAL > > >>>>Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 04:30:12 PDT > > >>>> > > >>>>Hi folks! > > >>>> > > >>>>Could anyone tell me what was the marital status of BILAL (peace of > > >>>>Allah > > >>>>be > > >>>>upon him)?Was he ever married and if so with whom?At what age?Did he > >had > > >>>>any > > >>>>offsprings?Or did he died as a bachelor? > > >>>> > > >>>>We had a heated debate about this issue.I welcome any comments > > >>>>especially > > >>>>from my learned friends in the -L. > > >>>> > > >>>>Regards, > > >>>>Alieu > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>______________________________________________________ > > >>>>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >>>> > > > 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