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l used to live in that neck of the woods, and l am not surprised that the
temps. have started to drop. Wish l could be there for this, but do remember
all of us who cannot attend in your prayers. May Allah reward you for
propagating the deen. Ameen.
Jabou Joh
Just a reminder that the forthcoming Maulid in Kansas City will be held this
Saturday, September 18th. Everyone is invited to this great event.
Kansas City weather has unseasonbly dropped. Below are the predicted temps.
THUR FRI SAT SUN MON
74 79 81 74 72
These are the highs, lows are in the upper 50's. It gets real chilly during
the early morning hours.
For more information, please call 913 384-6288 or 913 888-8443.
Once again we invied everyone to come and join KC.
Wasalaam
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<< Greetings!
I received a greeting card from a friend which came from
www.bluemountain.com. This web site apologised that they did not have a copy
of the Gambian national anthem to play, and asked for the music.
I have now sent them the sheet music, so once they have recorded it, you
should be able to use blue mountain to send a greeting card which not only
has the Gambian national flag, waving away, but can also play you the
national anthem!
All the best, Mike Carrick.
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Thanks Mike Carick, great job, and well appreciated.
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FELLOW AFRIKANS, REVOLUTIONARY GREETINGS!!
Last week i wrote an article calling for us youths of afrika to stand up and
unite afrika. I gave several pints which necessitate our unity today and now
if we want to ensure our existence and peace in the universe. People did
respond and while most seem to see sense in what i said there is a large
number who still do not see the possibility of unity. Again i would point
out what i said in the previous article that those who do not seem to see
the need for unity do not also seem to understand the realites of the world
today.
A particular Afrikan(gambian) said unity is not opportUne now because as he
said individual European states have already gotten to a stage of power
first and thus unity will be easier for them. It is true that those states
are powerful but that does not necessarily make unity easier for them at
that stage. In fact we see jealousy among European countries against unity
because they feel they would lose their individual wealth and prestige if
they unite. Everybody wants to protect its own wealth. This surely militates
against unity. We do not have such a thing in Afrika, because all the
countries in Afrika have more of misery in common than affluence. Thus it
might not be difficult to convince each other for unity, especially if we
realise that indeed we are very rich! And i think it is just simplistic to
say that we need to attain the strength of Britain or France or Norway so
that we can unite. First of all Europe will not allow Afrikan countries to
reach that stage because that will end their hegemony in Afrika, and in fact
commence their downfall and our domination. Secondly we need to go back to
history and find out how these Euro-states attained their wealth. In summary
they just left their poor and barren Europe and invaded rich people and
their lands, looted them, killed them, and occupied their lands and send the
wealth to Europe. If you know something about the industrial revolution in
Europe you will se that it kicked of soon after slavery was banned. This
means now they cannot keep plantations in the Americas and Asia and send
Afrikans there to work.They either have to go their and do it themselves or
go and occupy the Afrikan's land and loot our wealth. This in other words is
called colonialism. So with colonialism they can enslave us on our own lands
and build transport systems so that they can send the produce to Europe. So
since the 17th century Europe has seen an unprecedented rise in development
in which science and technology were greatly enhanced because there was a
constant and large supply of raw materials to European industries. This also
explains the fact that Western Europe has emerged as the most developed
region in the world and of course with their daughters: USA,
Canada,Australia and New Zealand, and to some extent South Afrika. I said
this because South Afrika has been the defiant daughter. So while they
endorse South Afrika they were ashamed of its policies, but that is to a
little extent. What i am trying to show here is that there is no uniform
road to unity and development. If you notice also Afrika is not seeking
unity because it wants to maintain a cetrtain position as Europe would do,
or to oppress another people, but we are calling for unity for peace and
development and justice not only for Afrika but for the whole world. But
surely we cannot take the European way i.e. to kill, occupy and loot other
people, because in the first place we are rich enough! we do not need to
enslave other people or play trickery. Now some people seem to see unity as
an end in itself, and for that matter do not see any difference in us
uniting or remaining as gambia , guinea or togo. This is a wrong view
because unity is a means to an end. For such people I will give them a
little analysis. You see during the colonial period there weren't many
Western companies as they have today. In Afrika then there were the monopoly
combines who control all the mining and trade in Afrika, and these combines
where directly linked to the governments of Europe. Am sure most of you know
such names as De Beers, Oppenheimmer, Barclays,LLoyds,Roschildt ete etc.
These were the individuals or families that controlled our diamond, and
gold, and plantatios. When independence came most of them withdrew back to
Europe but making sure they leave agents down here to run things for them,
and if they notice any Afrikan leader trying to stand in their way , they
remove you. Congo DR is the best example. The Belgians inv collaboration
with the UN and the US killed Patrice Lumumba and placed the stupid Mobutu
in his place so that they can continue to control the wealth of that land.
But with time some members of these combines also got big enough and started
to pull out to create their own little empires, and that explains the
numerous Western companies operating in almost all kinds of trade and
commerce. This is no problem for the West,because they are still in
control.But now they have discovered that some other people are also rising
such as the Japanese and the Tiger countries and also those in South
ametrica. This realisation showed them that soon their will be a
possibility of them being fully challenged and finally vanquished. The next
logical move then is for them to unite. This is why when you watch CNN or
BBC today we hear huge Western companies forming mergers. This is a defence
mechanism that will continue their hegemony in world economy. At the
political front also they are now uniting, even diplomatically. Now the
British and the French, people who have always hated each other, say they
are now going to occupy one embassy building in their so-called former
colonies in Afrika. Now this is very significant , because it means now the
UK can mingle in Senegal just as France can mingle in Gambia.Secondly it is
going to expand their influence and as well compete out any foreign body
like the Chinese,Taiwanese Cubans,Japanese, and even Libya,which are making
serious in-roads into the continent. So those who say unity makes no
difference are just doing mere thinking, but they did not make any
progressive and realistic thought. We also do not say that unity is like
magic, and the moment you have it all your problems are solved. If that is
the case then we should expect to see no problem in America or in the former
Soviet Union. Unity is work, and one of our great leaders Frederick Douglas
said where there is no struggle there is no progress. If we unite we have to
understand that it is another level which gets us to another stage in
improving our lives. Now we are not asking for unity because Nkrumah or
Nyerere said so. We can agree with them that it is true that we need to
unite , but not that they invented or discovered it. No. Based on our
circumstances and our experiences, and the nature of the world today we have
seen that unity is going to greatly enhance our lives than each holding to
oneself. I think the high rate of Afrikans going to Europe and being
subjected to all types of inhuman treatment should open up the eyes of
atleast young afrikans and ask why is this so.The mere fact of all of us
trying to go there for whatever reason is cause for concern. How come a
whole people would want to abandone their home? Unity is strength and anyone
who does not see that or does not believe that then that person must be
hiding something which his colleagues do not know , or he is still slow in
understanding . However it could also be that you do not want those people
who want you to unite with them. The world has reached a stage in which we
need to critically ask ourselves some fundamental questions about our lives.
An Afrikan saying declares that a life that is never examined is not worth
living. We cannot be born in poverty, live in misery and die in sorrow, and
expect to go to Heaven. Some people may argue that well I am happy and
comfortable in New York or London, but again ask yourself how much comfort
do you have there, and where is London and what is New York? we are afrikans
and we have always been proud of Afrika. Like I said in a previous article
there is no time or stage that an organism has to wait for or reach in order
to unite. Organisms unite when they discover a greater interest in the unity
for themselves. Those who say the time is not yet ripe, I wonder whether
they had read some history of the world. I am not trying to be pompous, just
realistic, because we have reached a stage whereby we might be required to
re-read our notes for a better understanding of the lectures. The whole of
the USA was not driving automobiles when they united. A large part of the US
was agrarian land at the time of starting unity, but with unity they sped
the development of the whole the continent with spillovers in all of the
hemisphere. But at what cost: slavery, killing of native americans, and
cheating the rest of the world. And now let us look at the X-Soviet Union.
This was a vast largely agrarian land , but with authoritarian dictatorship
they transformed that vast land and backward people into one of the most
industrialised states in the world. China seems to folow basicly the same
trend in just 50 years! So now to Afrika,what time should we wait for?
Talking about democracy also is a waste of time: America was a one-party
state for about three decades after independence and in fact George
Washington resigned because he hated the formation of political parties. The
wars in Afrika have to be correctly understood. Most of our people really
get confused and when they see a phenomenon they do not try to analyse it
properly but jump to conclusions. So today you have Afrikans joining the UN
or the Commonwealth meeting in huge hotels to talk about poverty in Afrika,
disease in Afrika, child soldiers in Afrika,over population in Afrika,human
rights in Afrika, rapid reaction force in Afrika. This is nonesense only
intended to shift the mind of the Afrikan from the real issue of the problem
to such foolish things.It is true that there is war and disease and poverty
in Afrika, but these realities, which are actually unreal, go beyond the
mere fact of their taking place, and if we do not see it in that context
then we would think it is an issue of democracy or human rights or poverty.
The wars are a direct result of our experiences and the schemes put in place
to divide us. Any people who experience such kind of experience is bound to
face the same problems, unless such a people become conscious and try to
understand the root cause of their condition. This is what is lacking in us
today, and it is mainly because still we are being educated according to the
slave and colonial masters' syllabus.The education system just gives us
facts and figures and we memorise them, and after some time they package
thenm into BA,MA,PHD, but we are never given the basis of those facts and
figures. For example when they tell us we need foreign investment and
liberal economy as a sine qua non for development we are never told that
such a system never operated in Europe or America, even today, especially if
it is between us and them. When they tell us we are poor and over-populated,
but they do not tell us the extra amount of wealth we have:land ,mineral
resources and water, which are the basis of deveopment, because in the first
place they had to come here not for the air, or the clouds, but for our land
and resources, and of course our people! So now how can you say these are
impediments to development. But this is the education we received and
because we did not read with a purpose all of us believe, with our leaders
wasting our time and energy running all over the West to garner foreign
investment.So in other words the education we receive enslaves us , while
the essence of education is to liberate a people, and raises his thinking
from superstition and mythology to that of unbiased and conscious critical
thinking. This is why for decades of conferences they still tell us that we
are poorer and wretched today than at independence, and still they bring
IMF, foreign investment, and tech. assistance. I ask you was slavery not
foreign investment? Was colonialism not foreign investment? Was not Standard
Bank, and Barclays Bank providing capital for slaveships? So why do you
think that today ELF or Shell or Coke will bring development here. The wars
in Afrika are a direct result of slavery and colonialism. Our people are
fighting in Angola, Sierra Leone, in Sudan, but if you ask Foday Sanko or
Savimbi what is that they are fighting for they cannot tell you anything
other than against corruption. We are fighting neo-colonialism and we do not
even know it. We are in a situation we did not create nor do we understand,
but we are suffering and it gets to a stage we think it is coming from Yaya
Jammeh or Rawlings or Musevenbi and we start to fight the people, but even
our leaders do not know. We all suffer from that delirium, but which teaches
us one thing and that is the solution is in Europe. Feloow Afrikans I want
to tell you that nothing happens in a vacuum. Everything is connecte, and
whatever action or decision you take goes to either suppot or oppose a
system.And every institution you see goes to serve the interest of the
founding fathers of that institution first. The partitioning of Afrika is
not in the interest of any Afrikan, but for the sole interest of the
partitioners, and as long as we are remained so it will continue to serve
their interest against us. We Afrikans have to think and think more than the
European, because first we have to unravel his schemes and how he tied us
and then see how to free ourselves and then how to define ourselves. So we
have two stages to go. Unity might be one step, or a stepping stone to that.
But we definitely need unity. The West controls each and every state in
Afrika and it is their interest for that to hold, so those who want to wait
until we attain the level of Britain or America, then i wish them long life
and good health, but i tell you the West will never let you get an inch near
them. They know you too much and are still studying you. Why do you think
the U.S. maintains an embassy, peace corps,USIS,USAID, and NDA. in each
Afrikan and so-called 3rd world countries. It is all CIA work trying to find
all about you day and night, and in the process control you in their palms.
For example how come the US has a big building full of Americans in the
Gambia, a country so small like Maine, with hundreds of cars, plus a huge HQ
for the peace corps etc, etc? how many Americans are in the Gambia that
would need such an attention? And it is more funny when you know that in
some countries like Ghana they run an FM station bombarding our people there
with "America loves you so much ". These are the control mechanisms and of
course with UN doing the field work for them for free!!! They set it up and
so it serves them. If we Afrikans do not recognise this then this time when
they get us we will be totally annihilated! There are lot of evidence we can
point out to argue for unity now, but other things are also holding on, and
i hope my fellow Afrikans will join the unity train. Do not be afraid, if we
do not start it we cannot experience it, and i for one like to experience
new things. Let us unite please, nice and descent people of God.
victory is ours by any means, even unnecessary!!!(just joking) but victory
is certain.
madi
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MY VISION FOR AFRICA
I HAVE A VISION OF A NEW AFRICA
I have a vision of a positive future for Africa; a vision, which I
believe, is deeply rooted in the Hearts and Minds of all true Africans. It
is the vision of a day when Africa is a united, independently sustainable
continent in which divisions of language and conflicts of ethnicity, gender,
religion and class have been overcome. It is a day when Africa will be a
united, non-violent society in which oppression and conflicts of gender,
religion and class and divisions between races have been overcome. I have a
vision of a day when Africans will practice true equality; when females take
leadership roles and males work to support them to develop our continent. I
have a vision of an Africa where violence and abuse towards women, children
and the poor has been abandoned and all humans are treated with respect and
dignity. I have a vision of a day when traditional African religion
believers, Muslims, Christians and Bahai all work together to develop and
create a more peaceful continent.
It is a vision of a day when our African leaders foster African
unification and the development of our continent by democratically
distributing high quality services to all Africans, regardless of ethnic
group, gender or religion. I have a vision of an Africa where corruption and
monopoly has been eliminated and heads of state are no longer dictators but
instead, support and maintain true democracies. I have a vision of a day
when the abuse of military power and violence in Africa has been eradicated.
A day when African presidents serve no more than two, five year terms; when
African heads of state are restricted from investing money outside of Africa.
A day when no African is above the law and those who committed crime against
Africa will be dealt with severely by our legal system. I have a vision of a
day when our chief justice and our criminal justice system become more
effective, making Africa no longer a dumping ground of prostitution and drug
trafficking. I have a vision of a day when the use of knives and guns to
create violence and commit crimes in Africa has been eradicated; when our
homes, neighborhoods, schools and communities will be safe and clean, a
healthy environment where people of all races are proud of where they live
and go to school and work together to build and sustain them for future of
all African children.
It is a day when our political, religious, intellectual, and educational
leaders care for our environment. I have a vision of an African educational
system which values, maintains and incorporates, as an integral part of the
curriculum, local cultures and activates individual talent and uses it for
the production of valuable goods and services. It is a day when all African
institutions and the departments within them value, maintain and practice
cultural and ethnic diversity. I have a vision of a day when our
intellectuals do not condemn African leaders and when they are not seen as a
threat in our society but rather, they put their knowledge, skills and
experience into positive practice for the development of the entire
continent. I have a vision of a day when recent secondary and college
graduates, the unemployed, both white and blue collar workers, intellectuals
and community and religious leaders all refrain from disparaging our cities,
towns, institutions and leaders, but instead, put their knowledge, skills and
experience into positive practice for the development of our African
continent. This is a vision of a day in which Africans of all religions,
races, genders and class work together for the common good of all of our
children who will become the future leaders of our continent. I have a
vision of a day when we will value our own products, have our own market and
control our own resources; sharing and trading fairly among ourselves. I
have a vision of a day when all Africans will say no to Western Aid and its
sanctions, which oppress, suppress, discriminate, divide and control us. I
have a vision of an Africa where physical and mental slavery has been
eliminated and our people work together to build a better continent. I see a
day in which Africans unite with all African descendants around the globe
from Asia to the Americas to work for the common good of our children who
will become the future leaders of the human race. I see a bright future on a
day Africa will have a United States of Africa; A day Africa will have a
single currency for the entire continent.
When all this has been achieved and maintained, I will be able to say
we have true Democracy, Equality, Liberty, Freedom and Justice in our African
institutions, communities and nations. On this day, all Africans will be
able to proclaim that we are in charge and control in of our own continent
and that this is a society ruled by all of its people for the benefit of all
who live within it. I challenge you, today, to join with all people in
Africa, to unite with a common vision for a united, non-violent,
independently-sustainable Africa which is a safe and productive society
because we owe it to our children, our ancestors and ourselves. The guiding
principles supporting this vision and commitment are: a united, peaceful
society where all humans, regardless of race, gender, religion or class, are
valued and treated with equal dignity, respect and fairness. However far
down the tunnel the source of light of my vision seems to be at this moment,
I am hopeful with its presence down there and so I can say: "At least there
is light at the end of the tunnel." Africa; from North to South, East to West
and Central, I therefor declare, we can do it!
By: Michael Ba Banutu-Gomez
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Thanks Jabou, we surely will remember and pray for everyone sitting in every
little corner on the earth and those who have left us behind. Hopefully, we
will see you next year, Insha Allah.
Ebou
Bye the way, where in this area did you reside in the "GANAU"? Talk to me on
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>l used to live in that neck of the woods, and l am not surprised that the
>temps. have started to drop. Wish l could be there for this, but do
>remember
>all of us who cannot attend in your prayers. May Allah reward you for
>propagating the deen. Ameen.
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>Jabou Joh
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E,
I got your message regarding Mr. Njie. I can get him a body pass on TWA if
he's interested in doing that, but you know that's going to be on stand-by
basis. This will run about $100.00 roudtrip. Let me know what he thinks
about this.
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Asalaamu alaikum Ebou,
Alhamdulillah and may Allah bless you all and keep you steadfast as usual.
BTW, what happened to the project for compiling Alagie Babou Samba's (may
Allah shower His mercy on him) works. Please, do not abandon the task.
Some of us are contemplating doing a similar thing for Sheickh Khattab
Bojang and his student BunJeng (raheemahumullah). So long and may Allah keep
us on the path of guidance until we join the company of al-Mustapha
(sallalaahu alayhi wasallam) in Jannah. Allahumma salli wasallim daa'iman
abadan ala habeebi ka....
Wasalaam.
modou mbye
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Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online and
continue using email:
The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the Government
of the United States attempting to quietly push through legislation
that will affect your use of the Internet. Under proposed legislation the
U.S. Postal Service will be attempting to bilk email users out of
"alternate postage fees".
Bill 602P will permit the Federal Govt. to charge a 5 cent surcharge
on every email delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at
source.
The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. Washington D.C.
lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this
legislation from becoming law.
The U.S. Postal Service is claiming that lost revenue due to the
proliferation of email is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per
year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign "There is nothing
like a letter". Since the average citizen received about 10 pieces
of email per day in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be
an additional 50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above and
beyond their regular Internet costs.
Note that this would be money paid directly to the U.S. Postal Service
for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the
Internet is democracy and non-interference. If the federal government is
permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge to email,
who knows where it will end. You are already paying an exorbitant
price for snail mail because of bureaucratic efficiency It currently
takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from New York to
Buffalo.
If the U.S. Postal Service is allowed to tinker with email, it will
mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. One
congressman, Tony Schnell (R) has even suggested a "twenty to forty
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Gomez you wrote,
<<<when females take
leadership roles and males work to support them to develop our continent. I
have a vision of an Africa where violence and abuse towards women, children
and the poor has been abandoned and all humans are treated with respect and
dignity.>>>>>
I like your vision and most of all the above quotation.I have followed with
great interest this debate about the the unification of Africa.It is a
political and moral resposibility for all Africans to see the need for the
unification of the continent,even if not in our life time,but some day in
the future and thus we can further reassert ourselves and reclaim what is
rightfully our own. The inferiority complex in the African mind a product of
centuries of political ,economic,cultural exploitation and oppression and
this is the biggest hindrance to the liberation of the Continent.The
continent is yet to be liberated and it is only through liberation we can
be united.
Given the opportunity, we are capable of lifting the African continent and
people from the decadent porverty. I am of the believe that as
Africans we have so much to improve,given the socio-political situation in
the continent before we can embark on serious mind provoking development.The
backwardness that has infected a great part of our society is a big issue.
And this takes me back to Alagie Kinteh's posting were he stated "we must
start from ourselves. Gambians abroad have to unite first." This I believe
believed is much of self criticism,which we need in abundance.Africanism to
me means self reliance and self determination. And as long as we have that
we can move forward to liberate the African mind . We need to build that
African/Gambian nationalism,which is not narrow nationalism,a love for our
nation and people to address of differences as indiviuals,nations and
people, and believe in ourselves. All these cry for a unification, I
believe is a base for a start and we can build it from here, right now.
The question asked by Alagie is in many of us why can't we organised, unity,
share. Why can't we revisit that Africaness that we cherished. Of course
there are critical
questions that we need to asked ourselves and others. But that does not stop
one from analysing and looking into the possibilities.
People withcritical thoughts have all right to do so because it is only
through this way we can come to something very concrete. A genuine
unification of Africa has a lot for Mother Africa and its children. Yes,
Saikss said unification just for the shake of unification is not the main
issue and not even enough. But I don't believe that is what we are calling
here for. I don't believe all these voices are just calling for the
unification of Africa just for the sake of unity, that will be flawed.
Malanding did raised a very important question when he asked what does this
unity mean for Africa ? Gambia and the rest? Yes this is a good question to
asked. I believe that the development of Gambia is relative to the
development of Africa and vis visa. If as Gambians we show the way forward
then other nations will be able to learn from our experience. If as
Gambians we managed to show the world that it can happen in a little
country like the Gambia, then it will set the pace.
Madi did go further in his analysis today of the need for African unity. He
raised so many issues which I believed is the reason why some people think
it is too early to call for a unification ,we have some many issues on the
ground to address. A cab driver in Johannesburg told me" Oh my sister
Africa is a beautiful continent, with all these beautiful people I wish we
can only unite, I wish we can realised our potential, I wish we can see the
need for unification. From Senegal to South Africa, From Tunisia to
South Africa, From Uganda to South Africa." We are depending on you the
young ones, we need you to pave the way, don't make the mistake we made, we
spend much time in ethnic wars and if that time was spent in liberating
ourselves,you can just imaging what a world Africa is." People rise and fall
within the context of the nation
institution. When they lose the ability to master and control the nation
institution they lose their freedom and this is where we
are.
Therefore a good start will be to take a serious look at
ourselves. We must rehearse for a nation building by controlling our
communities. By controlling the input into our education. By examining the
curricula used the school to train our children. Education I believe is the
best weapon for liberation as the same time the weapon for oppression.
If we could understand the nature of our mission in the world, if we could
understand that African continent of 12 million square miles, we wouldn't
have any unemployment for the next thousand years. With all those rail roads
to built, all the steel foundries to built, the
refineries to be built, the oil to be discovered, do you think there's
less oil in the body of Africa than there is in other places? probably
more. We have to build our owe things and do our own things. If
someone does things for us they are not really going to charge us for for
it, they are going to control us doing it.
Marcus Garvey said,"One God, One Aim, One Destiny." and that is true. But we
have to understand no matter what we plan to be , no matter where we are in
life, that its whom we relate to that we begin to examine history: where
we've been, where we are in order to understand where we still have to go.
T he Struggle Continues!!!
Ndey Jobarteh
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Subject: MY VISION FOR AFRICA
> MY VISION FOR AFRICA
>
> I HAVE A VISION OF A NEW AFRICA
>
> I have a vision of a positive future for Africa; a vision, which I
>believe, is deeply rooted in the Hearts and Minds of all true Africans. It
>is the vision of a day when Africa is a united, independently sustainable
>continent in which divisions of language and conflicts of ethnicity,
gender,
>religion and class have been overcome. It is a day when Africa will be a
>united, non-violent society in which oppression and conflicts of gender,
>religion and class and divisions between races have been overcome. I have
a
>vision of a day when Africans will practice true equality; when females
take
>leadership roles and males work to support them to develop our continent.
I
>have a vision of an Africa where violence and abuse towards women, children
>and the poor has been abandoned and all humans are treated with respect and
>dignity. I have a vision of a day when traditional African religion
>believers, Muslims, Christians and Bahai all work together to develop and
>create a more peaceful continent.
> It is a vision of a day when our African leaders foster African
>unification and the development of our continent by democratically
>distributing high quality services to all Africans, regardless of ethnic
>group, gender or religion. I have a vision of an Africa where corruption
and
>monopoly has been eliminated and heads of state are no longer dictators but
>instead, support and maintain true democracies. I have a vision of a day
>when the abuse of military power and violence in Africa has been
eradicated.
>A day when African presidents serve no more than two, five year terms; when
>African heads of state are restricted from investing money outside of
Africa.
> A day when no African is above the law and those who committed crime
against
>Africa will be dealt with severely by our legal system. I have a vision of
a
>day when our chief justice and our criminal justice system become more
>effective, making Africa no longer a dumping ground of prostitution and
drug
>trafficking. I have a vision of a day when the use of knives and guns to
>create violence and commit crimes in Africa has been eradicated; when our
>homes, neighborhoods, schools and communities will be safe and clean, a
>healthy environment where people of all races are proud of where they live
>and go to school and work together to build and sustain them for future of
>all African children.
> It is a day when our political, religious, intellectual, and
educational
>leaders care for our environment. I have a vision of an African
educational
>system which values, maintains and incorporates, as an integral part of the
>curriculum, local cultures and activates individual talent and uses it for
>the production of valuable goods and services. It is a day when all
African
>institutions and the departments within them value, maintain and practice
>cultural and ethnic diversity. I have a vision of a day when our
>intellectuals do not condemn African leaders and when they are not seen as
a
>threat in our society but rather, they put their knowledge, skills and
>experience into positive practice for the development of the entire
>continent. I have a vision of a day when recent secondary and college
>graduates, the unemployed, both white and blue collar workers,
intellectuals
>and community and religious leaders all refrain from disparaging our
cities,
>towns, institutions and leaders, but instead, put their knowledge, skills
and
>experience into positive practice for the development of our African
>continent. This is a vision of a day in which Africans of all religions,
>races, genders and class work together for the common good of all of our
>children who will become the future leaders of our continent. I have a
>vision of a day when we will value our own products, have our own market
and
>control our own resources; sharing and trading fairly among ourselves. I
>have a vision of a day when all Africans will say no to Western Aid and its
>sanctions, which oppress, suppress, discriminate, divide and control us. I
>have a vision of an Africa where physical and mental slavery has been
>eliminated and our people work together to build a better continent. I see
a
>day in which Africans unite with all African descendants around the globe
>from Asia to the Americas to work for the common good of our children who
>will become the future leaders of the human race. I see a bright future on
a
>day Africa will have a United States of Africa; A day Africa will have a
>single currency for the entire continent.
> When all this has been achieved and maintained, I will be able to say
>we have true Democracy, Equality, Liberty, Freedom and Justice in our
African
>institutions, communities and nations. On this day, all Africans will be
>able to proclaim that we are in charge and control in of our own continent
>and that this is a society ruled by all of its people for the benefit of
all
>who live within it. I challenge you, today, to join with all people in
>Africa, to unite with a common vision for a united, non-violent,
>independently-sustainable Africa which is a safe and productive society
>because we owe it to our children, our ancestors and ourselves. The guiding
>principles supporting this vision and commitment are: a united, peaceful
>society where all humans, regardless of race, gender, religion or class,
are
>valued and treated with equal dignity, respect and fairness. However far
>down the tunnel the source of light of my vision seems to be at this
moment,
>I am hopeful with its presence down there and so I can say: "At least there
>is light at the end of the tunnel." Africa; from North to South, East to
West
>and Central, I therefor declare, we can do it!
>
>By: Michael Ba Banutu-Gomez
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>Subject: PRESIDENTIAL VISIT-- NEWS---AND MCC DINNER
>Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:29:15 -0400
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>Have you heard ??
>
>H.E. the president of
> > the Republic of the Gambia will address the United Nations General
>Assembly
> > on the 24th Sept.'99.
> > He is expected to proceed to Washington DC to discuss issues of
>concern to
> > the community. There would be a number of bilateral issues including
> > facilitation of immigration and visa procedures.
>
>Source " Gambian friend"
>
>
>SECOND and most importantly
>:
>
>On the 25 of September MCC will be having it annual fund raising Dinner
>.
>Please attend and support your center Muslim Community Center at 15200
>New Hampshire Ave. ,Silver Spring , Md. 20905
>
>The annual Fall Fundraising dinner will take place on SATURDAY the 25
>Th. of
>September 1999. Keep the date free . If you cannot attend send some
>donnations in kind and or checks payable to MCC at the above address.
>
>Guest speakers are
>Bro. Aly Ramadan of AMC
>Dr Sulayman Nyang of Howard University-
>Topic
>Sharing Common Grounds
>
>MCC is in desperate need for it's monthly expenses . Please come and
>support
>
>us .
>$50 per person and $ 100 per family
>call 301 384 3454
>Ask for Imam Fysul Khan or Habib Ghanim,Sr (Fundraising committee)
>Thank you
>
>LET's UNITE to save our center. It is critical we do so .Please put
>aside all our differences for this event.
>We suggest if you cannot make it to send a generous donation. Thanks
>
>Habib Ghanim
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>PS I need some friends to cook benachin for about 250 people (it can be
>split between five sisters or brothers) . I want some African food to be
>served instead of the normal Pakistani food . Can I have volunteers??
>Thanks Habib
Hi Folks,
If the above about the President's visit is true, I think this is the time
those of us having pertinent questions to asked him should come out together
and scheduled a meeting with him and ask him those questions. If you allow
the man to come and go back without arranging to meet him then cowardice is
your master.And as "Pa Secure" says you have a "BASKET MOUTH" (If you want
to know Pa Secure, ask Tombong Saidy and he will enlighten you)
Too many things have been shared in this list and now we have the
opportunity to organise a "meet the president committee".
Dr. owl says "DOGS THAT BARK WHILE BENDING THEIR HEADS LOW HAVE NO TEETH"
UNCLE JAY
Peace!!!
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That is OK. The problem is the payment. Can you take care of it and I pay
you on 10/1? If so, let's go for it.
Thanx
Ebou
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>E,
>I got your message regarding Mr. Njie. I can get him a body pass on TWA if
>he's interested in doing that, but you know that's going to be on stand-by
>basis. This will run about $100.00 roudtrip. Let me know what he thinks
>about this.
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Modou,
thank you very much, I just replied a private e-mail about the tapes and
I'm so glad that people are patiently waiting. BTW we have a foundation for
Alhagie Babou and will be holding a meeting day after the Gamo, which will
discuss issues about the tapes. As I told that friend of mine, expect the
news in about a week. I also thank you the good initiative you have for
Sheikh Bun Jeng. He is one of my heroes and gurus.
Wasalaam
Ebou
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>Asalaamu alaikum Ebou,
>
>Alhamdulillah and may Allah bless you all and keep you steadfast as usual.
>BTW, what happened to the project for compiling Alagie Babou Samba's (may
>Allah shower His mercy on him) works. Please, do not abandon the task.
>
>Some of us are contemplating doing a similar thing for Sheickh Khattab
>Bojang and his student BunJeng (raheemahumullah). So long and may Allah
>keep
>us on the path of guidance until we join the company of al-Mustapha
>(sallalaahu alayhi wasallam) in Jannah. Allahumma salli wasallim daa'iman
>abadan ala habeebi ka....
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>Wasalaam.
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Salaams,
>> >
>> > This is the whole story of the quote if u want to read it.
>> >
>> > Why Science fails to explain God.
>> >
>> > "Professing to be wise, they became fools . . .. "
>> > "LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with God."
>> >
>> > An atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and
>> > then asks one of his new students to stand.
>> > "You're a Muslim, aren't you, son?"
>> > "Yes, sir."
>> > "So you believe in God?"
>> > "Absolutely."
>> > "Is God good?"
>> > "Sure! God's good."
>> > "Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
>> > "Yes."
>> > "Are you good or evil?"
>> > "The Koran says I'm evil."
>> >
>> > The professor grins knowingly. "Ahh! THE KORAN!" He considers for
>> > a moment.
>> > "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and
>> > you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help them? "Would you try?"
>> > "Yes sir, I would."
>> > "So you're good...!"
>> > "I wouldn't say that."
>> > "Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you
>> > could...in fact most of us would if we could... God doesn't.
>> > [No answer]
>> > "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Muslim who died of cancer
>> > even though he prayed to God to heal him. How is this God good?
>> > Hmmm?
>> > Can you answer that one?"
>> > [No answer]
>> >
>> > The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?"
>> > He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the
>> > student time to relax. In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new
>> > ones.
>> > "Let's start again, young fella." "Is God good?"
>> > "Er... Yes."
>> > "Is Satan good?"
>> > "No."
>> > "Where does Satan come from?" The student falters.
>> > "From... God..."
>> > "That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly man runs
>> > his bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking,
>> > student audience.
>> > "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies
>> > and gentlemen."
>> >
>> > He turns back to the Muslim. "Tell me, son. Is there evil in this
>> > world?"
>> > "Yes, sir."
>> > "Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?"
>> > "Yes."
>> > "Who created evil?
>> > [No answer]
>> > "Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
>> > All the terrible things - do they exist in this world? "
>> > The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."
>> > "Who created them? "
>> > [No answer]
>> > The professor suddenly shouts at his student. "WHO CREATED THEM?
>> > TELL ME,PLEASE!
>> > The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Muslim's
>> > face. In a still small voice: "God created all evil, didn't He,
>> > son?"
>> > [No answer]
>> > The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails.
>> >
>> > Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom
>> > like an aging panther. The class is mesmerized.
>> > "Tell me," he continues, "How is it that this God is good if He
>> > created all evil throughout all time?"
>> > The professor swishes his arms around to encompass the wickedness
>> > of the world. "All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain, all the
>> > torture,all the death and ugliness and all the suffering created by this
>>
>> > good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?"
>> > [No answer]
>> > "Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?"
>> > Pause.
>> > "Don't you?" The professor leans into the student's face again and
>> > whispers, "Is God good?"
>> > [No answer]
>> >
>> > "Do you believe in God, son?"
>> > The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I
>> > do."
>> > The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have five senses
>> > you use to identify and observe the world around you.Have you? "
>> > "No, sir. I've never seen Him."
>> > "Then tell us if you've ever heard your God?"
>> > "No, sir. I have not."
>> > "Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God or smelt your
>> > God...in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God
>> > whatsoever?"
>> > [No answer]
>> > "Answer me, please."
>> > "No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."
>> > "You're AFRAID... you haven't?"
>> > "No, sir."
>> > "Yet you still believe in him?"
>> > "...yes..."
>> > "That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at the underling.
>> > "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable
>> > protocol,science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that,
>> > son?
>> > Where is your God now?"
>> > [The student doesn't answer]
>> > "Sit down, please."
>> > The Muslim sits...Defeated.
>> >
>> > Another Muslim raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the class?"
>> > The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Muslim in the vanguard!
>> > Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering."
>> > The Muslim looks around the room. "Some interesting points you are
>> > making, sir. Now I've got a question for you. Is there such thing
>> > as heat?"
>> > "Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."
>> > "Is there such a thing as cold?"
>> > "Yes, son, there's cold too."
>> > "No, sir, there isn't."
>> > The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes very cold.
>> >
>> > The second Muslim continues. "You can have lots of heat, even more
>> > heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat
>> > but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit 458 degrees below
>> > zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is
>> > no
>> > such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than 458 -
>> You
>> >
>> > see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We
>>
>> > cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat
>> is
>> > energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."
>> > Silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.
>> >
>> > "Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?"
>> > "That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? What
>> > are
>> > you getting at...?"
>> > "So you say there is such a thing as darkness?"
>> > "Yes..."
>> > "You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence
>> > of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,
>> > flashing light but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and
>> > it's
>> > called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word.
>> > In
>> > reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness
>>
>> > darker and give me a jar of it. Can you...give me a jar of darker
>> > darkness,professor?"
>> >
>> > Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery
>> > before him.This will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind telling
>> us
>> >
>> > what your point is, young man?"
>> > "Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed
>> > to start with and so your conclusion must be in error...."
>> > The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? How dare you...!""
>> > "Sir, may I explain what I mean?"
>> > The class is all ears.
>> > "Explain... oh, explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort
>> > to regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself. He waves his
>> > hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.
>> > "You are working on the premise of duality," the Muslim explains.
>> > "That for example there is life and then there's death; a good God
>> > and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite,
>> > something we can measure. Sir, science cannot even explain a
>> > thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less
>>
>> > fully understood them. To view death as the opposite of life is to be
>> > ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
>> Death
>> >
>> > is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it."
>> >
>> > The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a
>> > neighbor who has been reading it. "Here is one of the most disgusting
>> > tabloids this country hosts, professor. Is there such a thing as
>> > immorality?"
>> > "Of course there is, now look..."
>> > "Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of
>> > morality. Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the
>> > absence of justice. Is there such a thing as evil?" The Muslim pauses.
>> > "Isn't evil the absence of good?"
>> > The professor's face has turned an alarming color. He is so angry
>> > he is temporarily speechless.
>> >
>> > The Muslim continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor,
>> > and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be
>> > accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God
>> is
>> >
>> > accomplishing?
>> > The Quran tells us it is to see if each one of us will, of our own
>> > free will, choose good over evil."
>> > The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't view
>> > this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I
>> > absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other
>> > theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is
>> not
>> > observable."
>> >
>> > "I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this
>> > world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the
>> > Muslim replies.
>> > "Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell
>> > me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a
>> > monkey?"
>> > "If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young
>> > man, yes, of course I do."
>> > "Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"
>> > The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his
>> > student a silent, stony stare.
>> >
>> > "Professor. Since no-one has ever observed the process of
>> > evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going
>>
>> > endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a
>> > scientist, but a priest?"
>> > "I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical
>> > discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.
>> > "So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"
>> > "I believe in what is - that's science!"
>> > "Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a grin.
>> > "Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed
>> > phenomena. Science too is a premise which is flawed.."
>> > SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters.
>> > The class is in uproar.
>> >
>> > The Muslim remains standing until the commotion has subsided.
>> > "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other
>> > student, may I give you an example of what I mean?" The professor wisely
>>
>> > keeps silent.
>> > The Muslim looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class
>> > who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out in
>> > laughter. The Muslim points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor.
>> > "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain...
>> > felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain?"
>> > No one appears to have done so. The Muslim shakes his head sadly.
>> > "It appears no-one here has had any sensory perception of the
>> > professor's brain whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of
>> > empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science, I DECLARE that the
>> > professor has no brain."
>> > The class is in chaos.
>> >
>> > The Muslim sits... Because that is what a chair is for.
>
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Some decades ago when the whistle was forcibly blown for African countries
to race for political independence after series of turbulent nationalists'
agitation, a brand of leaders with confusing ideologies sprang up to dictate
and plunder the continent. A junk of the left behind colonial "cake" was
hijacked by self-imposed, self-styled saviours to form political parties
that coalesced in anticipation of independence; and not surprisingly (if not
depressingly) they coalesced along regional lines coagulating the most
brutal and resource-draining ethnic violence in contemporary times.
But while Africa was entangled in the maze of endless crisis in the last
decades, South East Asia was experiencing a comprehensive economic growth
that puzzled economists and development workers alike. The success of the
"Asian Tigers" has led to other development countries also plunging - or
forced to plunge for economic liberalisation, thinking that a similar
miracle will surely come by.
But how were these tiny South East Asian countries able to outwit
mineral-crowded Africa?
The basic factor in Asia were the fundamental prerequisite for success and
are the nucleus of this commentary: an enabling environment; provision of
market friendly incentives for national enterprise development and business
support services; and fostering linkages between firms on one hand and
between firms and other institutions, in particular those on science and
technology.
Significant to the success of any economy is the existence of political
stability and basic accessible education. Before independence, the South
East Asian countries, through their religious pundits (Muslim and Buddhists)
had already embarked on a civic education campaign aimed at indoctrinating
their people with nationalistic and business-like values. Their call was
geared towards willingly entrusting political power to society's respected
individuals while the rest put hands on deck to foster national development.
With this seemingly lukewarm but rather mature and sensible arrangement,
political struggles and ethnic violence between the Malay and the
Indo-Chinese were greatly averted. This is not to say that South East Asia
has a history devoid of skirmishes. Indeed, the region experienced
dictatorial regimes with forced labour and dizzy human rights records.
Indonesia for instance went through a brutal military coup in 1966 with a
period of agonising fear under illegitimate decrees. Singapore had its own
share when Lee Kuan Yew monopolised power from 1959-1990, a period in which
to be an opponent was tantamount to substituting yourself with the numerous
commodious jails.
However, these somewhat oppressive times in South East Asia were too mild to
prevent investment and rapid economic growth as the conditions for growth
were already fortified. Thus, with the guaranteed enabling environment and a
vibrant educational system (Asians are the most mathematically minded people
on earth), an unceremonious invitation was extended to investors and
financially dwarfed companies to take advantage of the cheap labour provided
by the productive Indo-Chinese. So as early as 1970, South East Asia was
already serving host to a conglomerate of genuine companies. There was no
time for political agitation; no time for ethnic violence; no time for rebel
incursions. Development was the watchword!
With the flooding of potential investors, the economic barometer of South
East Asia became promisingly legible. This led their economists to search
for suitable economic policies to respond to the needs and aspirations of
highly excited investors.
The Asian tigers' economic philosophy basically advocated for a relatively
equitable sharing of revenue according to the criterion of need. It was a
mild disguise of the best portions of socialist and capitalist doctrines.
With the visionary splendiferousness of the central banks of Singapore,
Malaysia and Taiwan, coupled with its burgeoning local markets led to the
drafting for subsequent implementation, economic and foreign exchange
policies that led to rapid economic growth. The savings were later
channelled to the banks and the enterprise sector, which was extensively
parasitic on debt financing. The availability of credit allowed those with
management experience, often acquired from working with a multi-national
affiliate, to set up their own small and medium sized enterprises.
In order to ensure continuity of the in house economic growth for small
enterprises, protectionist measures were put in place with emphasis on the
use of local suppliers, who were knotted with larger firms as
sub-contractors. This simple and practical arrangement created an appetising
avenue for the acquisition of technical skills and technological
advancement. But the way in which technology was adopted and capital
imported varied from country. While the Republic of Korea was selective in
permitting foreign investors, Taiwan did not discriminate between the
foreign and domestic investors, except in a few sectors.
As the provision of tax incentives and levies promoted in house training in
domestic firms, Singapore and Taiwan vigorously embarked on research and
development initiatives through granting of tax advantages and other
incentives. By way of research and through experience, there was increased
capacity to make minor changes, which in turn led to improved productive
facilities and eventually significant innovations. Gradually and with
growing capacity, the industries were able to respond to the growing
competition from world markets. South East Asia soon became strong enough to
begin producing for specialised needs and later more sophisticated
knowledge-intensive products. As the export market gained momentum, South
East Asia acquired the necessary technical and marketing expertise that
transformed their economies from ailing dwarfs to the biting mighty tigers
of modern envy (until recently that is). The painstaking struggle of the
masses, the razor sharp vision of their development workers and economists,
coupled with the presence of belligerent and charismatic leaders, made South
East Asia's impending economic miracle a shining glitterati bristling with
office towers and humming with entrepreneurial energy.
However, the rapid and tantalising economic growth of the South East Asian
countries during an era of excruciating economic stagnation, has been widely
touted as the model for other developing countries precisely so AFRICA. But
the enabling environment that parachuted South East Asia from the nadir of
poverty to the zenith of prosperity was generally absent in Africa. From the
Kalahari desert to the waters of the Nile, and from the creeping Sahara to
the tick forest of the Congo's, wars of mammoth scale emerged with velocity
and brutality characteristic of a harmattan bush fire. The healthy, the
skilled and the intelligent died en masse. Those counted lucky ran helter
skelter to seek for refuge thousands of miles from home. The madness that
ensued forced many economies to coma. With daily reports of endless rampage
of armed "sons" of Africa, the magnetic elements needed to seduce investors
became as imaginary as the lines of longitude and latitude. Thus the
impending political miracle in Africa painfully bequeathed a volatile
economic system presided over by confetti of untried corruption scandals.
Albeit the cloudy political atmosphere in Africa, attempts were made by some
countries to indegenise industry and to instil an ethic of self-reliance to
combat inflation and to counter perceived economic divisions in the
continent. Strategies to curb consumption in order to establish a buoyant
and durable infrastructure were also tried. A case in point is the often
ill-fated policies of Nigeria's military rulers. In the early 1970s. Nigeria
doubled the printing of money to enable new rates of pay to public sector
employees. This inevitably fuelled inflation without creating any increase
in standards of performance. The increase of wages steered industrial unrest
in private indigenous industry while inflation gripped the spines of the
non-waged agricultural sector. Ironically, in oil rich Nigeria, dawn to dusk
queues developed from a single gallon of petrol and other basic food
condiments.
But sleazy export rates and inadequate mechanisms in a deflationary economic
climate has largely dwarfed and seriously limited Africa's foreign exchange
earnings especially in corrupt civilian and military dictatorships that have
blindly acquired an expensive flare for imported goods. Thus while South
East Asia was grooming and breast feeding their economies to become tigers
in years to come, Africa was being raped and looted with budgetary cuts in
education and health under the deadly masks of worthless economic and
political slogans. The available resources that could transform Africa into
a dazzling land of unrivalled prosperity are unfortunately being pocketed by
some few morally maladjusted leaders-cum-mercenaries. In the meantime,
illiteracy reaches frightening heights, while malnutrition, poverty, greed
and ethnic violence become institutionalised facets of our cultural set up.
The very people expected to be the benchmark for change (the intellectuals)
have shown no remorse for this continent married to despondency.
By and large, as the race progresses on the information superhighway towards
the potentially flashy second millennium. Africa has a herculean task ahead,
but more so galloping through foggy moments to come afar with already miles
ahead Asian tigers. But as a journey of a thousand miles begins with the
first step, we must take bolds steps, utilise our human and natural
resources and ensure a relatively equitable sharing of revenue. But if
blunders come by again, we shall sink in atrophy and continue to be beggars
until the incomprehensible clamps down His final baton. The ball is in our
court.
Abou Jeng.
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Sarian,
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World: Africa
Gambian journalist arrested
A journalist for one of Gambia's main newspapers is
under arrest, after reporting about an alleged shoot-out at
the birthplace of President Jammeh.
The journalist, Allieu Badara Sowe, who works for the
Daily Observer, recounted reports from local people who
said the Gambian army had been involved in the
shooting last month. The article then demanded the
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denied involvement in any such incident.
From the newsroom of the BBC World Service
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Hello Michael!
I enjoyed your poignant literature on your vision for Mama Africa.
The outcry for the unity of this resourceful continent have longed been
pursued by some of our formidable leaders with overwhelming failure.
Keep pressing on.
Ndey highlighted some issues that we can address as Gambians with the hope
that this will model a behavior that other Africans can copy to help us reach
lady unity.
Have a Great weekend?
MABS
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> Gambian journalist arrested
>
>
>
> A journalist for one of Gambia's main newspapers is
> under arrest, after reporting about an alleged shoot-out at
>
> the birthplace of President Jammeh.
>
> The journalist, Allieu Badara Sowe, who works for the
> Daily Observer, recounted reports from local people who
> said the Gambian army had been involved in the
> shooting last month. The article then demanded the
> government act to stop the rumours. The BBC Banjul
> correspondent said the Gambian armed forces chief has
> denied involvement in any such incident.
>
> From the newsroom of the BBC World Service
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Habib the following is from the observer today the 17th. September.
The other article is from yesterdays observer about the alleged
shoot-out.
Greetings
Matarr M. Jeng.
NIA questions Observer editor, reporter
The editor-in-chief of the Daily Observer, Sheriff Bojang, and senior
reporter Alieu Badara Sowe, were invited for questioning at the
National Intelligence Agency, yesterday morning following the
publication of Wednesday's front page lead story, 'What Happened at
Kanilai?' Mr Bojang was briefly questioned and released. However, Mr
Sowe had not been released up to press time.
Speaking after his return from the NIA headquarters, Mr Bojang said,
"I and Alieu were invited to the NIA and the managing director,
Sarriang Ceesay, volunteered to drive us. Upon arrival, I was asked
to clarify certain statements in the article. I told the officers
that I published the articlebecause the subject matter was a story
waiting to be told; that we had tried all possible means of soliciting
clarifications from government and militaryofficials to no avail; and
that Alieu has a good pedigree as a reporter. He is not in the
business of submitting concocted stories. I told them that the article
was not designed to cause undue alarm, but that we were trying to
pacify the sea of speculation on the issue, and also provoke
government to make a public statement on what actually happened on or
about the night of August, 7. I wrote my statement and was thanked for
my cooperation and asked to go. ".
The Daily Observer Published at 12:00pm G.M.T September 16, 1999
What happened at Kanilai?
For almost four weeks, there have been incessant rumours in the
country about a shoot-out at President Jammeh's home village of
Kanilai, while he was residing there during his annual leave.
Kanilai is a village situated about two kilometres from the border
with Casamance.Following spurious speculations, the Daily Observer
mounted an investigation. On the evening of Friday, August 6, a
rattle of gun shots lasting several
minutes, were heard in the direction of the village.
The next morning, Saturday, August 7, tense security was seen in the
area, and later in the evening, there was unusual high security at
Denton bridge, Banjul, with thorough searching of vehicles. Rumours of
an assassination attempt and an abortive coup were zealously peddled
in town. According to sources from the village, on the night of
Friday, August 6, a Senegalese helicopter allegedly came hovering over
the president's farm and flashed powerful lights. A brief exchange of
fire ensued and the helicopter flew back to its base, presumably in
Senegalese territory.
A certain Mr Sonko, reported to be an officer of the National
Intelligence Agency (NIA), reportedly sustained a bullet wound around
his ribs and was admitted to the Intensive Care Unit of the Royal
Victoria Hospital from where he was flown to Egypt for further
treatment. Sonko was reportedly escorted to Egypt by a medic of the
GNA, Sgt Kalifa Manneh. For over a month now, all efforts to get
clarification on the issue have proved futile and rumours still
abound. Many people believe the government should make a statement on
the issue to clarify doubts lingering in the minds of many Gambians..
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PLEASE CAN YOU HELP. Time in Britain: 10.10am 17/9/99
From Mike Carrick, in Bromsgrove, near Birmingham England
Ebrima Jobe, a student in The Gambia is trying to start a course at =
GTTI. He has been promised sponsorship by the following staff of North =
Bromsgrove High School, England:
Kevin Peck - Head
David Guy - Deputy Head
Mike Hendley - former Deputy Head - Fund administrator
Janet Jukes - former Deputy Head
The amount needed is D7,250. For some reason the payment has not been =
received and Ebrima cannot start the course. Mike Hendley is the fund =
administrator and he is away until 23 September. Please can somebody =
in The Gambia contact GTTI and say that so long as they have identified =
that it is the correct Ebrima, the problem is a genuine one, and we =
would request them to allow him to start the course as soon as possible. =
I have spoken to Kevin Peck who assures me that the sponsorship has =
been agreed. He says Mr Hendley will definitely make sure that GTTI =
receives the money. I too give my word that if there is any problem I =
will make sure they receive the money.
I will try to contact GTTI, but if you are in The Gambia, you may be =
more successful in making contact.
I have agrteed to phone Ebrima at 11.40 British time,
Thank you very much for your help. Mike Carrick
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Ebrima Jobe, a student in The Gambia =
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Amie,
Thanks for your wonderful story. This will definitely go a long way to bring
some hard hearted people to understand a little about life and how to go
about it.
Hope to get in touch later.
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Hi Sister Jabou,
What a nice and an interesting encounter! Have a good weekend.
Bye.
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FELLOW AFRIKANS, REVOLUTIONARY GREETINGS!
Tomorrow 18 sept. is the 90th birhtday of the OSAGYEFO DR. KWAME NKRUMAH,
the leading proponent of the decolonisation and the unification of AFRIKA. I
take this unique opportunity to wish you all, whether you celebrate it or
not, a HAPPY REVOLUTIONARY OSAGYEFO DAY!!! I think it is very significant
that his birthday came just a week after our present afrikan leaders met in
libya to talk of unity, and the proposals they made are the same things the
OSAGYEFO made at the founding of the OAU in the PROUD LAND OF OUR ANCESTORS,
ETHIOPIA. They didn't listen to him, but we are still and now talking about
the same things. In 1996 when Nyerere came to Ghana for a public lecture he
publicly declared that he made a mistake in the 60s when he opposed the
OSAGYEFO, and advocated for a gradual move towards unity. This type of
attitude seems to be typical of our intellectuals, and as I read thru the
comments of our people in the net, I still see unnecessary talk and
self-denial when the real issue is right in our palms and we do not have to
do anything but to grab it and declare it ours: UNION OF AFRIKAN STATES, or
whatever name you want to call it. Let us end the nonsense and self-denial
and unite. I had called for a congress and a march for unity, but all I get
is fears, skepticism, and rejections of unity. Such issues can only be
settled when we sit down in an organised manner and plan. You are the
descendants of YAA ASANTEWA,QUEEN NZINGA, QUEEN MAKEDA, MARCUS GARVEY, HAILE
SELASSIE 1, AMILCAR CABRAL, MALCOLM X, ZUMBI, TOUSSAIT L'OUVERTURE, IMHOTEP,
AKHNATEN, JESUS,MOSES, MOHAMMAD and ADAM and EVE.Now why are you scared? Let
us do it. We did it in Haiti when Toussaint led us. We did it Gambia when
Edward Francis Small led us. We did it in Sierra Leone when Edward Blyden
led us. We did it in America when Elijah Muhammad and Martin Luther King led
us. We did it in Kenya when Dedan Kimathi and Kenyatta led us. We did it in
Bissau when Mbalia Camara led us. We did it in South Afrika when Winnie and
Steve Biko led us. We did it Congo when Patrice Lumumba led us. We did it in
Angola when Augustino Neto led us. We did it in Jamaica when Bob Marley led
us. We did it in Brazil when Zumbi led us. We did it in Ethiopia when
Menelik 1 led us. And we won. And we shall still won if we want to.
I will end with this note. No one is going to save us except our own selves.
There will not be another Nkrumah, or Selassie or Malcolm or Marcus or
Nzinga or Yaa Asantewa or indeed any of our great ancestors. They are in us
and we have to live them out by acting and practicing their visions,
courage, wisdom, strength and their spirits, and free and unite our people.
Those who are waiting for a Jesus or a Mahdi or God can as well buy their
slave chains and get themselves a master so that when Jesus or Mahdi comes
(S)He can emancipate them. Thank you.
madi
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FYI
<< Muslim and Arab groups meet with Albright
Washington, DC (September 16)- American Muslim and Arab American groups
today met with Secretary of State Madeline Albright and Assistant Secretary
of State for Near East Affairs Martin Indyk.
During the course of the meeting AMJ Executive Director Khalid Turaani
raised the issue of Israel's discriminatory policies and practices against
Jerusalem's Muslim and Christian inhabitants that is eroding their presence
in the city. Turaani also stressed AMJ's position that Palestinian refugees
have an inalienable right to return to their homeland.
Skip Gnehm of the Foreign Service invited Muslims to apply for positions in
the Department of State. He spoke about the need for more American Muslims
and Arab Americans in the State Department. American Muslims who are
interested are invited to visit http://www.state.gov/ for more information.
The meeting included representatives from the following Muslim
organizations: American Muslim Council, American Muslim Foundation,
American Muslims for Jerusalem, Council on American-Islamic Relations, the
Islamic Society of North America, and the Muslim Public Affairs Council.
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L ers
I am doing some research on this topic and permit me to
share with you some issues concerning the
political and economic integration of African countries
that has resurfaced recently at the OAU Heads of State
meeting in Libya. The idea was first put across in 1991 in
ABUJA in what became known as the Lagos Plan of Action
(LPA) calling for an African Economic Union (AEU).
Why the need for economic integration in Africa?.
In the numerous small nation states of Africa emerging from
colonial rule in the 1960, an urgent need was felt for
collective economic self reliance and security as an
integral part of their overt political efforts at nation
building and in order to promote economic development and
political stability. Early efforts to establish regional
economic arrangements were motivated by the expectation that
they could serve as one of the key vehicles for achieving
the shared aspirations of African countries for rapid
economic growth and development.
In its broadest sense, regional integration fits more
closely the approach to development called collective self
reliance. This approach involves cooperation among
African countries in order to attain fundamental
redistribution of World production, control over the
production and allocation of their surplus and the power to
make their own decisions on matters affecting their own
societies without outside influence.It also includes the
strengthening of trade relations among them (intra African
trade), the reorientation of development efforts towards the
satisfaction of basic needs for the whole population in
their development effort. Placing AEU in the context of
collective self reliance provides a perspective whereby it
can be appreciated as one among, and along with, other
strategies devised and adopted in the struggle to overcome
underdevelopment.
Given the small nation states of African countries,
clearly suggested regional economic integration as a means
of ensuring larger markets which would allow the benefits
of greater specialization and external economies of scale
to be realized. Note that i am delibrately and consciously
not mentioning a united states of Africa with a single
president and the works, which is something that at the best
of time is not feasible. What is needed in Africa is some
form of political and economic cooperation and policy
coordination.
The idea of an African economic union is to strengthen
economic and political relations among African states and
increase intra African trade and collective self reliance.
For any form of economic and political cooperation to be
effective needs the POLITICAL WILL of our leaders. We all
know that a number of political issues have affected the
progress in strengthening economic relations among African
countries. Every leader wants to safeguard his our small
kingdom. For there to be an African union, countries have
to surrender some national sovereignty to take advantage
of regional integration.
It is perhaps a truism to state that there is a constant
interaction between political and economic variables in
regional and international relations. Economic cooperation
and non cooperation does yield political ramifications in
as much as political cooperation or non cooperation could
have consequential economic implications. In Africa, the
lack of political commitment by governments can hinder
progress on this front.
An African economic union is for the African people, yet
popular participation of the masses in every sphere of
development is low. African unity cannot succeed without
the active participation of the people. Thus, it is
advisable to sensitize the people on the economic
integration process in order to elicit their participation
and support towards the realization of this noble
objective.
We have to remind ourselves that the world is moving into
regional trading blocks and African should not be left
lagging behind. Now is the opportune time and thankfully
the Economic Commission for African and the Organization for
African Unity is pressing the issue at the dawn of a new
millennium. I am an optimist and believe that the level of
economic cooperation in Africa can be enhanced. It can
contribute immensely to economic development and political
stability of the region as well as increasing the
bargaining position of Africa in multilateral forums. I
support all those who call for closer economic and
political ties and exchanges among African countries.
Africa have suffered enough from external sources and our
own self inflicted problems. It is time for a change in the
existing pattern of underdevelopment.
As bro.. Katim would say , this is my buray ak butut
contribution to the discussion.
cheers
Basil
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In a message dated 3/22/99 5:10:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
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FYI.
Jabou
A Brief Introduction To The Islamic (Hijri) Calendar
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(Source: http://www.cob.ohio-state.edu/~wmuhanna/hijri-intro.html)
1. HISTORY AND MOTIVATION
The Islamic Calendar, which is based purely on lunar cycles, was first
introduced in 638 C.E. by the close companion of the Prophet (PBUH) and
the second Caliph, `Umar ibn Al-KHaTTab (592-644 C.E.) RAA. He did it in
an attempt to rationalize the various, at times conflicting, dating
systems used during his time. `Umar consulted with his advisors on the
starting date of the new Muslim chronology. It was finally agreed that
the most appropriate reference point for the Islamic calendar was the
Hijrah.
The actual starting date for the Calendar was chosen (on the basis of
purely lunar years, counting backwards) to be the first day of the first
month (1 MuHarram) of the year of the Hijrah. The Islamic (Hijri)
calendar (with dates that fall within the Muslim Era) is usually
abbreviated A.H. in Western languages from the latinized Anno Hegirae,
"in the year of the Hegira". MuHarram 1, 1 A.H. corresponds to July 16,
622 C.E.
The Hijrah, which chronicles the migration of the Prophet Muhammad
(PBUH)
from Makkah to Madinah in September 622 C.E., is the central historical
event of early Islam. It led to the foundation of the first Muslim
city-state, a turning point in Islamic and world history.
To Muslims, the Hijri calendar is not just a sentimental system of time
reckoning and dating important religious events, e.g., Siyaam (fasting)
and Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah). It has a much deeper religious and
historical significance.
Muhammad Ilyes [Ilyes84] quotes Nadvi who wrote:
``It (the advent of the 15th century) is indeed, a unique
occasion to ponder that the Islamic Era did not start
with the victories of Islamic wars, nor with the birth
or death of the prophet (PBUH), nor with the Revelation
itself. It starts with Hijra, or the sacrifice for the
cause of Truth and for the preservation of the Revelation.
It was a divinely inspired selection. God wanted to teach
man that struggle between Truth and Evil is eternal. The
Islamic year reminds Muslims every year not of the pomp
and glory of Islam but of its sacrifice and prepares them
to do the same.''
>From a historical angle, Ilyes quotes Samiullah who writes:
``All the events of Islamic history, especially those which
took place during the life of the Holy Prophet and afterwards
are quoted in the Hijra calendar era. But our calculations
in the Gregorian calendar keep us away from those events and
happenings, which are pregnant of admonitory lessons and guiding
instructions.
...And this chronological study is possible only by adopting the
Hijri calendar to indicate the year and the lunar month in line
with our cherished traditions.''
2. SPECIFICATION AND METHOD
The Islamic (Hijri) year consists of twelve (purely lunar) months. They
are: (1) MuHarram; (2) Safar; (3) Raby` al-awal; (4) Raby` al-THaany;
(5)
Jumaada al-awal; (6) Jumaada al-THaany; (7) Rajab; (8) SHa`baan; (9)
RamaDHaan; (10) SHawwal; (11) Thw al-Qi`dah; and (12) Thw al-Hijjah.
The most important dates in the Islamic (Hijri) year are: 1 MuHarram
(Islamic new year); 27 Rajab (Isra & Miraj); 1 RamaDHaan (first day of
fasting); 17 RamaDHan (Nuzul Al-Qur'an); Last 10 days of RamaDHaan which
include Laylatu al-Qadar; 1 SHawwal (`iyd al-fiTr); 8-10 Thw al-Hijjah
(the Hajj to Makkah); and 10 Thw al-Hijjah (`iyd al-'aDHHaa').
It is considered a divine command to use a (Hijra) calendar with 12
(purely) lunar months without intercalation [Ilyes84], as evident from
the following verses of the Holy Qur'an (Trans: A. Yusuf Ali):
They ask thee
the New Moons
Say: They are but signs
To mark fixed periods of time
In (the affairs of) men
And for Pilgrimage. (II:189)
The number of months
In the sight of Allah
Is twelve (in a year)
So ordained by Him
The day He created
The heavens and the earth;
Of them four are sacred;
That is the straight usage
So wrong not yourselves
Therein, and fight the Pagans. (IX: 36)
Verily the transposing
(Of a prohibited month)
Is an addition to Unbelief:
The Unbelievers are led
To wrong thereby: for they make
it lawful one year,
And forbidden another year,
Of months forbidden by Allah
And make such forbidden ones
Lawful. The evil of their course
Seems pleasing to them.
But Allah guideth not
Those who reject Faith. (IX: 37)
Since the Islamic calendar is purely lunar, as opposed to solar or
luni-solar, the Muslim (Hijri) year is shorter than the Gregorian year
by
about 11 days, and months in the Islamic (Hijri) year are not related to
seasons, which are fundamentally determined by the solar cycle. This
means
that important Muslim festivals, which always fall in the same Hijri
month, may occur in different seasons. For example, the Hajj and
RamDHaan
can take place in the summer as well as the winter. It is only over a 33
year cycle that lunar months take a complete turn and fall during the
same
season.
For religious reasons, the beginning of a Hijri month is marked not by
the
start of a new moon, but by a physical (i.e., an actual human) sighting
of
the crescent moon at a given locale. From the Fiqhi standpoint, one may
begin the fast in RamDHaan, for example, based on "local" sighting
(IKHTILAF AL-MATALE') or based on sighting anywhere in the Muslim World
(ITTEHAD AL-MATALE'). Although different, both of these positions are
valid Fiqhi positions.
Astronomically, some data are definitive and conclusive (i.e. the time
of
the BIRTH of a new moon). However, determining the VISIBILITY of the
crescent is not as definitive or conclusive; rather it is dependent upon
several factors, mostly optical in nature. This makes it difficult to
produce (in advance) Islamic calendars that are reliable (in the sense
that they are consistent with actual crescent visibility).
Efforts for obtaining an astronomical criterion for predicting the time
of
first lunar visibility go back the the Babylonian era, with significant
improvements and work done later by Muslim and other scientists. These
efforts have resulted in the development in a number of criteria for
predicting first possible sighting of a crescent. However, there remains
a measure of uncertainty associated with all criteria developed thus
far.
Moreover, there has been little work in the area of estimating crescent
visibility on global (as opposed to local) scale. Until this happens, no
Hijri calendar software can be 100% reliable, and actual crescent
sighting remains essential especially for fixing important dates such as
the beginning of RamaDHaan and the two `iyds.
The slight differences in printed Islamic calendars, worldwide, can
therefore be traced to two primary factors: (1) the absence of a global
criterion for first visibility; and (2) the use of different visibility
criterion (or method of calculation). Weather conditions and differences
in the observer's location also explain why there are sometimes
differences in the observances of Islamic dates, worldwide.
Readers interested in further information should consult Mohammad Ilyas'
excellent book ``A Modern Guide to Astronomical Calculations of Islamic
Calendar, Times & Qibla,'' Berita Publishing, 1984, (ISBN:
967-969-009-1).
The book contains a thorough discussion of the Islamic calendrical
system
and related historical and scientific developments. It also presents an
interesting proposal for a universal Islamic Calendar based on a global
visibility criterion and the concept of a Lunar Day (or International
Lunar Date Line).
Waleed A. Muhanna
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Mr. Jones & G-L Community:
I have read with great interest many of the brilliant postings,
(including your own) on the subject regarding the need for both
continental and regional unity. The rationale for such schemes and
reservations raised have been compelling. My concern however, is closer
to home. That is, Gambia's relation to its larger neighbor, Senegal.
Should Gambia become part of Senegal? Should we resolve this enduring
political and geographic oddity or leave it as it is? How tenable is the
current situation? Would the use of force to integrate Gambia into
Senegal justifiable? I did like to know what you all think? Thanks.
Abdoulaye
"B.M.Jones" wrote:
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> L ers
>
> I am doing some research on this topic and permit me to
> share with you some issues concerning the
> political and economic integration of African countries
> that has resurfaced recently at the OAU Heads of State
> meeting in Libya. The idea was first put across in 1991 in
> ABUJA in what became known as the Lagos Plan of Action
> (LPA) calling for an African Economic Union (AEU).
>
> Why the need for economic integration in Africa?.
>
> In the numerous small nation states of Africa emerging from
> colonial rule in the 1960, an urgent need was felt for
> collective economic self reliance and security as an
> integral part of their overt political efforts at nation
> building and in order to promote economic development and
> political stability. Early efforts to establish regional
> economic arrangements were motivated by the expectation that
> they could serve as one of the key vehicles for achieving
> the shared aspirations of African countries for rapid
> economic growth and development.
>
> In its broadest sense, regional integration fits more
> closely the approach to development called collective self
> reliance. This approach involves cooperation among
> African countries in order to attain fundamental
> redistribution of World production, control over the
> production and allocation of their surplus and the power to
> make their own decisions on matters affecting their own
> societies without outside influence.It also includes the
> strengthening of trade relations among them (intra African
> trade), the reorientation of development efforts towards the
> satisfaction of basic needs for the whole population in
> their development effort. Placing AEU in the context of
> collective self reliance provides a perspective whereby it
> can be appreciated as one among, and along with, other
> strategies devised and adopted in the struggle to overcome
> underdevelopment.
>
> Given the small nation states of African countries,
> clearly suggested regional economic integration as a means
> of ensuring larger markets which would allow the benefits
> of greater specialization and external economies of scale
> to be realized. Note that i am delibrately and consciously
> not mentioning a united states of Africa with a single
> president and the works, which is something that at the best
> of time is not feasible. What is needed in Africa is some
> form of political and economic cooperation and policy
> coordination.
>
> The idea of an African economic union is to strengthen
> economic and political relations among African states and
> increase intra African trade and collective self reliance.
> For any form of economic and political cooperation to be
> effective needs the POLITICAL WILL of our leaders. We all
> know that a number of political issues have affected the
> progress in strengthening economic relations among African
> countries. Every leader wants to safeguard his our small
> kingdom. For there to be an African union, countries have
> to surrender some national sovereignty to take advantage
> of regional integration.
>
> It is perhaps a truism to state that there is a constant
> interaction between political and economic variables in
> regional and international relations. Economic cooperation
> and non cooperation does yield political ramifications in
> as much as political cooperation or non cooperation could
> have consequential economic implications. In Africa, the
> lack of political commitment by governments can hinder
> progress on this front.
>
> An African economic union is for the African people, yet
> popular participation of the masses in every sphere of
> development is low. African unity cannot succeed without
> the active participation of the people. Thus, it is
> advisable to sensitize the people on the economic
> integration process in order to elicit their participation
> and support towards the realization of this noble
> objective.
>
> We have to remind ourselves that the world is moving into
> regional trading blocks and African should not be left
> lagging behind. Now is the opportune time and thankfully
> the Economic Commission for African and the Organization for
> African Unity is pressing the issue at the dawn of a new
> millennium. I am an optimist and believe that the level of
> economic cooperation in Africa can be enhanced. It can
> contribute immensely to economic development and political
> stability of the region as well as increasing the
> bargaining position of Africa in multilateral forums. I
> support all those who call for closer economic and
> political ties and exchanges among African countries.
> Africa have suffered enough from external sources and our
> own self inflicted problems. It is time for a change in the
> existing pattern of underdevelopment.
>
> As bro.. Katim would say , this is my buray ak butut
> contribution to the discussion.
>
> cheers
> Basil
>
> ----------------------
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Gambia-l:
Is the tough-talking Dr. Alhaji ...Yahya ... Jammeh planning on sneaking in
and leaving the USA without meeting the Gambian community? What is he afraid
of? His itinerary will be known to most interested parties (friend and foe
alike) even before he steps on US soil. And those of us who want to get our
messages through his ears will not disappoint him either.
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Amadou,
Yes, l bet Jammeh plans to sneak in and then out, because he would not want
anyone to confront him in public about all the atorcities he is committing at
home since he knows better than you and l, that he is committing atrocoties.
Also, if confronted, he would not be able to do what he does at home, namely
put his thugs on you and cart you off to some undisclosed place and then
claim that they do not know anything about your dissappearance.
Regards,
Jabou
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Is the tough-talking Dr. Alhaji ...Yahya ... Jammeh planning on sneaking in
and leaving the USA without meeting the Gambian community? What is he afraid
of? His itinerary will be known to most interested parties (friend and foe
alike) even before he steps on US soil. And those of us who want to get our
messages through his ears will not disappoint him either.
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Ndeye Jobarteh,
Thanks for your comments about African Unity. Your comments are thought
provoking. I am glad that we still have Africans such as you who have
positive image about Africa. Keep up the great work.
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MABS,
Thanks so much for your comment regarding my vision to Lady Mother Africa.
Ndeye highlighted great points. I have no doubt that we can do it as African.
We Shall Over Come! God bless you.
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Asalaamu alaikum,
Alhamdulillah and we begin our lessons on the manner of praying of the =
Prophet (saw) with an outline of the essentials by Shaickh Bin Baaz.
The Essentials Of The Salaah
Q: What are the essential matters of the salaah?
A: First, one must know that there are conditions (shuroot) of the =
salaah that must be met before entering into it. Meaning that the salaah =
cannot be valid without them. Second, there are pillars of the salaah =
(arkaan) that must be performed in the salaah. Meaning, that if any of =
them is left out, the salaah would not be valid. Third, there are the =
obligations (waajibaat) of the salaah that if left out or done in the =
wrong place or time, require the one praying to make the prostrations of =
forgetfulness (Sajdatais-Sahw) to cover the error. Finally, there are =
the non-obligatory acts of the salaah (sunan) that if performed bring =
the salaah closer to perfection but if left out do not invalidate or =
harm the salaah. It should be noted that the scholars of Islam have =
classified these areas - based upon the confirmed sunnah of the Prophet =
(sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) - for the benefit of the Ummah to =
preserve the correct knowledge of their religion after the time of the =
Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and his Companions (radiallahu =
'anhum). We will list each as follows:
Conditions (Shuroot) of Salaah
Sanity or mentally competent (al-'aql) =20
Distinguish between right and wrong (i.e. aware and cognizant of =
the prayer and what it involves (at-tamyeez)
=20
Ritual purity (raf' al-hadath)
=20
Elimination of filth (izaalatun-Najaasah)
=20
Covering the private area (satrul-'Auwrah)
=20
Entrance of the time of the salaah (dukhoolul-waqt)
=20
Facing the Kaabah (istiqbaalul-Qiblah)
=20
Intention (an-niyyah)
=20
Pillars of Salaah (Arkaanus-Salaah) and they are 14
1 Standing if able
2 Opening takbeer (takbeeratul-Ihraam)
3 Recitation of Al-Faatihah
4 & 5 Bowing and rising from it
6 Standing up after bowing
7 & 8 Prostration on the seven "parts" (1) forehead with nose, 2-3) =
palms of both hands, 4-5) both knees, 6-7) toes of both feet) and rising =
from it
9 Sitting between the two prostrations
10 Tranquility or settledness in every act of salaah=20
11 &12 The final tashahhud and sitting in it
13 Salaah upon the Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam)
14 The two closing salaams
Obligations of Salaah (Waajibaat) and they are 8
1 Making all the takbeers excluding the opening takbeer
2 Saying: 'Sami' Allahu liman hamidah' (Allah hears whoever praises Him) =
whether imaam or follower
3 Saying: 'Rabbanaa lakal-hamd' (Our Lord for you is the praise) for all
4 Saying: 'Subhaana Rabbiyal-Atheem' (Free from all imperfection is the =
Great Lord) while bowing
5 Saying: 'Subhaana rabbiyal-'Alaa' (Free from all defect is the Most =
High Lord) while prostrating
6 Saying: 'Rabbighfir lee' (Oh My Lord forgive me) between the two =
prostrations
7 & 8 The first tashahhud and sitting in it
The Non-Obligatory Acts of Salaah (Sunan). Some are:
The du'aa of opening or entrance (al-istiftaah)=20
Putting the right hand on the left when in standing position=20
Raising the hands with palms raised and open to the shoulder or ear =
level at the first takbeer, when going into rukoo' (bowing) and coming =
out of it, when standing out of the first tashahhud and going into the =
third rak'ah.=20
Saying more than one tasbeeh in the bowing or prostration positions =
Asking for forgiveness more than once when between prostrations=20
Bowing with the head level and back straight=20
Not holding the limbs closely to the sides or balled tightly with =
the stomach touching the thighs while in prostration=20
Raising the forearms off the ground when in prostration=20
Sitting on the left leg with the right bent in the first tashahhud =
and between the two prostrations=20
At-Tawarruk (placing the left foot under the right thigh - see =
illustration) in the last tashahhud while bending the right leg.=20
Making salaah and asking for blesing upon Muhammad and the family =
of Muhammad and upon Ibraahim and upon the family of Ibraahim in the =
first tashahhud.=20
Making du'aa in the second tashahhud=20
Making salaatul-Fajr aloud, as well as the first two sections =
(rak'atain) of the Maghrib and Ishaa prayers.=20
Reciting softly or silently (moving the lips) for the Dhuhr, and =
'Asr prayers and in the third rak'ah of Maghrib and the last two of =
Ishaa.=20
Recitation of other than Al-Faatihah from the Qur'aan and taking =
care to follow the remaining matters related from the sunnah in the =
salaat besides those we have mentioned.=20
Nullifiers of the Salaah (mabtulaat)
Intentionally speaking when aware of its prohibition. As far as =
doing so forgetfully or out of ignorance, then it is excused.=20
Laughing=20
Eating=20
Drinking=20
Uncovering the 'auwrah=20
Significantly turning one's body away from the Qiblah (this applies =
if one is sure of the direction of the Qiblah - Ed.)=20
Excessive playing in the salaah=20
Breaking or losing ritual purity (at-tahaarah)=20
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, =
helvetica"><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2><SPAN><STRONG>Intention=20
=
(an-niyyah)</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></P></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>=
</SPAN></SPAN><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></TR><!--msthem=
elist--></TBODY></TABLE><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, =
helvetica"><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>
<P><FONT color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2><STRONG>Pillars of Salaah =
(Arkaanus-Salaah) and=20
they are 14</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>1 Standing if able<BR>2 Opening takbeer=20
(takbeeratul-Ihraam)<BR>3 Recitation of Al-Faatihah<BR>4 & 5 Bowing =
and=20
rising from it<BR>6 Standing up after bowing<BR>7 & 8 Prostration on =
the=20
seven “parts” (1) forehead with nose, 2-3) palms of both =
hands, 4-5) both knees,=20
6-7) toes of both feet) and rising from it<BR>9 Sitting between the two=20
prostrations<BR>10 Tranquility or settledness in every act of salaah =
<BR>11=20
&12 The final tashahhud and sitting in it<BR>13 Salaah upon the =
Prophet=20
(sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam)<BR>14 The two closing =
salaams</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2><STRONG>Obligations of Salaah =
(Waajibaat) and they=20
are 8</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>1 Making all the takbeers excluding the =
opening=20
takbeer<BR>2 Saying: ‘Sami’ Allahu liman hamidah’ =
(Allah hears whoever praises=20
Him) whether imaam or follower<BR>3 Saying: ‘Rabbanaa =
lakal-hamd’ (Our Lord for=20
you is the praise) for all<BR>4 Saying: ‘Subhaana =
Rabbiyal-Atheem’ (Free from=20
all imperfection is the Great Lord) while bowing<BR>5 Saying: =
‘Subhaana=20
rabbiyal-‘Alaa’ (Free from all defect is the Most High Lord) =
while=20
prostrating<BR>6 Saying: ‘Rabbighfir lee’ (Oh My Lord =
forgive me) between the=20
two prostrations<BR>7 & 8 The first tashahhud and sitting in=20
it<BR></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2><STRONG>The Non-Obligatory Acts of =
Salaah (Sunan).=20
Some are:</STRONG></FONT></P><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist-->
<TABLE border=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 cellSpacing=3D0 =
width=3D"100%"><!--msthemelist-->
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>The =
du’aa of=20
opening or entrance =
(al-istiftaah)</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD=
></TR><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Putting the=20
right hand on the left when in standing =
position</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></TR>=
<!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Raising the=20
hands with palms raised and open to the shoulder or ear level at =
the first=20
takbeer, when going into rukoo’ (bowing) and coming out of =
it, when=20
standing out of the first tashahhud and going into the third=20
=
rak’ah.</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD>=
</TR><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Saying more=20
than one tasbeeh in the bowing or prostration =
positions</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></TR=
><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Asking for=20
forgiveness more than once when between =
prostrations</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD><=
/TR><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Bowing with the=20
head level and back =
straight</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></TR>=
<!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>Not =
holding the=20
limbs closely to the sides or balled tightly with the stomach =
touching the=20
thighs while in =
prostration</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></=
TR><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Raising the=20
forearms off the ground when in=20
=
prostration</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></=
TR><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Sitting on the=20
left leg with the right bent in the first tashahhud and between =
the two=20
=
prostrations</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD><=
/TR><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>At-Tawarruk=20
(placing the left foot under the right thigh - <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/issue13/sitting.htm">see=20
illustration</A>) in the last tashahhud while bending the right=20
=
leg.</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></TR><!--=
msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Making salaah=20
and asking for blesing upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad =
and upon=20
Ibraahim and upon the family of Ibraahim in the first=20
=
tashahhud.</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></T=
R><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Making du’aa in=20
the second =
tashahhud</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></TR=
><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Making=20
salaatul-Fajr aloud, as well as the first two sections =
(rak’atain) of the=20
Maghrib and Ishaa =
prayers.</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></TR>=
<!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Reciting softly=20
or silently (moving the lips) for the Dhuhr, and ‘Asr =
prayers and in the=20
third rak’ah of Maghrib and the last two of =
Ishaa.</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></TR><!=
--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Recitation of=20
other than Al-Faatihah from the Qur’aan and taking care to =
follow the=20
remaining matters related from the sunnah in the salaat besides =
those we=20
have=20
=
mentioned.</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></T=
R><!--msthemelist--></TBODY></TABLE><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica">
<P><FONT color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2><STRONG>Nullifiers of the Salaah=20
(mabtulaat)</STRONG></FONT></P></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>=
</SPAN><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist-->
<TABLE border=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 cellSpacing=3D0 =
width=3D"100%"><!--msthemelist-->
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, =
helvetica"><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><FONT=20
size=3D2><STRONG>Intentionally speaking when aware of its =
prohibition. As=20
far as doing so forgetfully or out of ignorance, then it is=20
=
excused.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>=
<!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></TR><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT=20
=
size=3D2><STRONG>Laughing</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--mstheme=
list--></TD></TR><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT=20
=
size=3D2><STRONG>Eating</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemeli=
st--></TD></TR><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT=20
=
size=3D2><STRONG>Drinking</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--mstheme=
list--></TD></TR><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Uncovering the=20
=
‘auwrah</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD>=
</TR><!--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Significantly=20
turning one’s body away from the Qiblah (this applies if one =
is sure of=20
the direction of the Qiblah – =
Ed.)</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></TR><!--=
msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Excessive=20
playing in the =
salaah</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD></TR><!=
--msthemelist-->
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dbaseline width=3D42><IMG height=3D20 hspace=3D11=20
=
src=3D"http://www.alharamain.org/newsletter/_themes/indust/indbul1a.gif" =
width=3D20></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%"><!--mstheme--><FONT=20
face=3D"trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"><FONT =
size=3D2><STRONG>Breaking or=20
losing ritual purity =
(at-tahaarah)</STRONG></FONT><!--mstheme--></FONT><!--msthemelist--></TD>=
</TR></TBODY></TABLE></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Allahumma salli wasallim alaa =
Nabiyyina=20
Muhammad. Wasalaam.<BR>Modou Mbye</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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We understand his handlers are trying to arrange some meetings for him with
people outside of official Washington since he is not going to be a guest of
the US government by dint of the fact his regime is considered illegitimate.
Regardless of where he goes or who he attempts to ingratiate himself with we
intend to make sure his perspective hosts know precisely who he is i.e a
ruthless dictator with a penchant for touturing, abducting and murdering is
opponents. We understand attempts are being made to sound out percieved
sympathisers in the metro washington area in an attempt to burnish his image.
Indications are there are no takers for for such a blatant attempt of
manipulation . List memebers , this is not a respected leader out to do some
good but rather a vicious man who relishes at hectoring folks he believes are
not subservient enough.
I tentatively understand he is meeting with Randall Robinson of Transafrica
and Rev Jesse Jackson both of whom have spent their lifetimes fighting for
the rights of all people to live a free and progressive life the very things
that President works deligently to thwart. Our task would then have to be to
precisely spell out who their guest is by vividly displaying his record.
Karamba
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Hi
'Modibo' is this the Demba Baldeh my only Fula man? Let me know ASAP.
Thanks
Ousman Manjang
'Moudo'
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Asalaamu Alaikum Ebrima
Brother, I took this opportunity to forward to you my regret for not being
able to be in Kansas today as promised to attend this years Maulud Nabbi.
Please accept my apology and extend on behalf of the Atlanta League for
Islamic Education (ALIE) our sincere heartfelt greetings to the entire
Gambian community in Kansas. I look forward to visiting you in few months if
Allah makes it possible.
Once again, thank you and God bless you. My regards to your family and
friends.
Brother
Ousman Manjang
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Asalaamu alaikum,
Alhamdulillah and I pray that the following admonition benefits you and =
I. I pray that we are counted amongst those who take heed from the =
'Ayah' (signs) of Allah, Subhanahu wa ta'aala, 'al Fa'aalun limayureed' =
(the one who does what he wills). May Allah bless and protect Shaickh =
al-Hamraani and all the noble scholars apst and present.
The Earthquakes=20
Shaykh Saalih al-Hamraani=20
Translation of a Khutbah (08/27/99)=20
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Have fear and consciousness of Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala and ponder over =
events that happen around you. Learn lessons from them and remember, for =
the intelligent one is he who remembers and takes admonition.
The topic of this khutbah is the destructive earthquake that hit part of =
Turkey. The earthquake which caused thousands of people to die, caused =
loss of wealth and properties, and forced people to seek refuge outside =
of their dwellings, now being without their home and their wealth, and =
without food and drink. The earthquake which turned security into fear, =
richness into poverty, caused joined families to depart, and turned life =
into death. Without doubt, in it is a lesson for those who take lessons =
and a reminder for those who remember, so that they may return to their =
Lord and their Creator.
The Truthful, the Chosen one (as-Saadiq al-Mustafa), sallallahu `alayhi =
wa sallam, has informed us that a multitude of earthquakes is a sign of =
the proximity of the Hour. He informed us that they would be many at the =
end of the time.=20
Ahmad relates in a hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurairah, radhiallahu `anhu, =
that the Prophet, sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam said, "The Hour will not =
happen until knowledge is taken out, time passes quickly, earthquakes =
increase in number, tribulations (fitan) appear, and al-Harj increases =
in number." It was said, "What is al-Harj, O Rasoolullah?" He said, "Al =
Qatl, al Qatl (Killing)".=20
A lot of what is mentioned in this hadeeth has already materialized.
Happenings of earthquakes and the like from other destructive and =
disastrous events are the greatest evidence of the astonishing power of =
Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala. Earthquakes are from among the soldiers of =
Allah, subhanahu wa ta`ala, subjected to His order. He, subhanahu wa =
ta`ala, causes fear in the hearts of those whom He wills, teaches =
lessons whom He wills and punishes whom He wills.=20
"And none can know the Forces of your Lord, except He." (74:31)
"For to Allah belong the Forces of the heavens and the earth." (48:7)
If the Ummah leaves Allah's Sharee`ah, ignores the Deen of Allah ta`ala =
and follows its enemies, Allah will subjugate it to His armies, which no =
one knows except He. From among these armies are the earthquakes.=20
"Such is the Seizure of your Lord when He seizes the towns while they =
are doing wrong. Verily, His Seizure is painful and severe." (11:102)=20
"When We decide to destroy a town, We (first) send a definite order (to =
obey Allah and be righteous) to those among them who are given the good =
things of this life. Then, they transgress therein, and thus the word =
(of torment) is justified against (them). Then we destroy it with =
complete destruction." (17:16)
Allah, subhanahu wa ta`ala, with this earthquake makes clear to His =
servants a plain reality, that the kingdom of the heavens and the earth =
is in His Hands, subhanahu wa ta`ala, and that He is the Irresistible =
and Dominant over His servants.
Some people may be astonished by what the West has from the =
materialistic power, from various weapons, aircraft carriers, bombs, =
satellites etc., and they forget that Allah, subhanahu wa ta`ala, =
allowed that piece of land to move and shake, being able to shake the =
force of the West and the East. Everything is in His Hands, He has power =
over all things, and no one in the Heavens and the Earth can weaken Him, =
subhanahu wa ta`ala. Appearance of the earthquakes therefore points us =
to a different reality that may be absent in the minds of some people, =
those who are busy with this world and who are servants of materialism.=20
This earthquake also reminds us of the Day of Judgment. The Day when all =
of the Earth will shake, and not only one part of it. Allahu subhanahu =
wa ta`ala says,=20
"O mankind! Fear your Lord and be dutiful to Him! Verily, the earthquake =
of the Hour is a terrible thing. The Day you shall see it, every nursing =
mother will forget her nursling, and every pregnant one shall drop her =
load, and you shall see mankind as in a drunken state. Yet they will not =
be drunken, but the Torment of Allah will be severe." (22:1-2)
Look what is left after the earthquake from destroyed buildings and =
houses, deaths of thousands, and families seeking refuge outside of =
their homes. What state is that in which everyone is running away, =
caring about nothing? So what do you think of the Day of Judgment?=20
"That Day shall a man flee from his own brother, and from his mother and =
his father, and from his wife and his children." (80:34-36)
"One the day (when the first blowing of the Trumpet is blown), the earth =
and the mountains will shake violently." (79:6)
Allah ta`ala warns His servants with this earthquake to learn a lesson =
and be admonished, and to be ready and prepare themselves for the Day of =
sorting out, the day of the great earthquake, that will shake all of the =
earth.
Allah ta`ala has placed in this universe Sunan, fixed and manifest laws, =
neither do they change nor are they replaceable. He does not have any =
kinship with anyone, He is the sole Creator and Ruler, and He will =
question and hold accountable everyone, including prophets and =
messengers. "Then surely, We shall question those to whom it (the Book) =
was sent and We shall question the Messengers." (7:6)
From among the established Sunan of Allah is that He does not send =
punishment except due to sin and He does not remove it except after =
repentance. Allah ta`ala says, "Whatever misfortune befalls you, it is =
because of what your hands have earned." (42:30)
Allah the Mighty and Majestic says: "Evil and mischief have appeared on =
land and sea because of what the hands of men have earned, that Allah =
may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that =
they may return (by repenting to Allah)." [30:41]
Every disaster and every calamity that befalls the servants is due to =
their sins and wrongdoing. So know, servants of Allah, what wrongdoing =
does to its doers.
What has taken Adam and Eve from the Jannah except wrongdoing, and what =
Has drowned all of the people on the earth at the time of Nooh, to the =
point that water reached the peak of mountains, except wrongdoing?=20
Who is it who sent the furious violent wind upon the people of `Aad, so =
that they were seen lying overthrown and destroyed, as if they were =
hollow trunks of palm-trees? Who is it who sent the awful cry upon the =
people of Thamud until it cut their hearts inside their bodies, and they =
all fell dead without exception? Who lifted the villages of the people =
of Loot till the angels heard barking of their dogs, then turned them =
upside down, and then rained upon them a rain of stones?=20
That is the immediate punishment for wrongdoing: drowning, fire, =
earthquakes, destruction, famine, raging wind... "And the torment of the =
hereafter is far more severe and more lasting." (20:127)
Do we not take admonition and lesson? Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala says, =
"Did We not destroy the ancients? So shall We make the later generations =
to follow them. Thus do We deal with the Mujrimoon (criminals, =
disbelievers, sinners.). Woe that Day to the deniers (of the Day of =
Resurrection)!" [77:16-19]
The earthquake of Turkey is just a warning from Allah, subhanahu wa =
ta`ala - not only to the people of that country alone, but rather to the =
Muslims in general, in all lands - that they may return to their Lord =
and their Deen. Otherwise a punishment will come upon them. Allah ta`ala =
says, "So We seized each of them for his sins." (29:40)
Many of the Muslims today have gathered many sins. We see those who =
delay and neglect prayers, eat haram, deal with riba, do not fulfill =
their trusts, order the evil and forbid the good. Those who indulge in =
mixing, display of awra, listening to music and songs, and those who =
have abandoned the Qur'an. All these exist in our society. Let us fear =
Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala and preserve what we have from the blessings, =
for wrongdoing removes blessings, rather it changes it to a curse. And =
let us be warned of an evil end, for Allah gives us a chance but is not =
neglectful. What has happened to the previous nations and some of the =
current ones will happen to us if we obey the Shaytan and go far from =
the path of the Most Merciful. These are the sunan of Allah that will =
never change.
"Or do you feel secure that He, Who is over the Heaven, will not cause =
the earth to sink with you, then behold it shakes (as in an earthquake)? =
Or do you feel secure that He, Who is over the heaven, will not send =
against you a violent whirlwind? Then you shall know how (terrible) was =
My Warning." (67:16-17)
Let us pause and ask ourselves what has been the tangible impact on us =
since we have heard and seen this earthquake, and what it has left from =
the mighty and scary destruction that makes the hearts bleed. The happy =
one is one who learns from the calamity of others, and the sad one is by =
whom these calamities pass while he takes no lesson from them.=20
Just recently the sun eclipsed, then followed the floods, then the =
strong wind, and then this earthquake happened. The people are still as =
they were before, you see no change. You do not see people going back to =
the path of Allah and you do not see any crowds in mosques. It is =
unfortunate that the explanation offered for these events is that they =
are normal natural disasters, and that they do not link it to what =
happens to people due to their wrongdoing. Theirs is clearly an =
incorrect interpretation.
"And We sent not the signs except to warn, and to make them afraid (of =
destruction)." (17:59)
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Alhamdulillah and I pray =
that the=20
following admonition benefits you and I. I pray that we are counted =
amongst=20
those who take heed from the 'Ayah' (signs) of Allah, Subhanahu wa =
ta'aala, 'al=20
Fa'aalun limayureed' (the one who does what he wills). May Allah bless =
and=20
protect Shaickh al-Hamraani and all the noble scholars apst and=20
present.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif"><FONT color=3D#339999=20
size=3D+2><STRONG>The Earthquakes </STRONG></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#990066><STRONG><BR>Shaykh Saalih al-Hamraani=20
</STRONG></FONT><BR>Translation of a Khutbah (08/27/99) </FONT>
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<P>Have fear and consciousness of Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala and ponder =
over=20
events that happen around you. Learn lessons from them and remember, for =
the=20
intelligent one is he who remembers and takes admonition.</P>
<P>The topic of this khutbah is the destructive earthquake that hit part =
of=20
Turkey. The earthquake which caused thousands of people to die, caused =
loss of=20
wealth and properties, and forced people to seek refuge outside of their =
dwellings, now being without their home and their wealth, and without =
food and=20
drink. The earthquake which turned security into fear, richness into =
poverty,=20
caused joined families to depart, and turned life into death. Without =
doubt, in=20
it is a lesson for those who take lessons and a reminder for those who =
remember,=20
so that they may return to their Lord and their Creator.</P>
<P>The Truthful, the Chosen one (as-Saadiq al-Mustafa), sallallahu =
`alayhi wa=20
sallam, has informed us that a multitude of earthquakes is a sign of the =
proximity of the Hour. He informed us that they would be many at the end =
of the=20
time. </P><B>
<P>Ahmad relates in a hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurairah, radhiallahu =
`anhu, that=20
the Prophet, sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam said, "The Hour will not =
happen until=20
knowledge is taken out, time passes quickly, earthquakes increase in =
number,=20
tribulations (fitan) appear, and al-Harj increases in number." It was =
said,=20
"What is al-Harj, O Rasoolullah?" He said, "Al Qatl, al Qatl =
(Killing)".</B>=20
<P>A lot of what is mentioned in this hadeeth has already =
materialized.</P>
<P>Happenings of earthquakes and the like from other destructive and =
disastrous=20
events are the greatest evidence of the astonishing power of Allah =
subhanahu wa=20
ta`ala. Earthquakes are from among the soldiers of Allah, subhanahu wa =
ta`ala,=20
subjected to His order. He, subhanahu wa ta`ala, causes fear in the =
hearts of=20
those whom He wills, teaches lessons whom He wills and punishes whom He =
wills.=20
</P><B>
<P>"And none can know the Forces of your Lord, except He."</B> =
(74:31)</P><B>
<P>"For to Allah belong the Forces of the heavens and the earth." =
</B>(48:7)</P>
<P>If the Ummah leaves Allah's Sharee`ah, ignores the Deen of Allah =
ta`ala and=20
follows its enemies, Allah will subjugate it to His armies, which no one =
knows=20
except He. From among these armies are the earthquakes. </P><B>
<P>"Such is the Seizure of your Lord when He seizes the towns while they =
are=20
doing wrong. Verily, His Seizure is painful and severe."</B> (11:102) =
</P><B>
<P>"When We decide to destroy a town, We (first) send a definite order =
(to obey=20
Allah and be righteous) to those among them who are given the good =
things of=20
this life. Then, they transgress therein, and thus the word (of torment) =
is=20
justified against (them). Then we destroy it with complete destruction." =
</B>(17:16)</P>
<P>Allah, subhanahu wa ta`ala, with this earthquake makes clear to His =
servants=20
a plain reality, that the kingdom of the heavens and the earth is in His =
Hands,=20
subhanahu wa ta`ala, and that He is the Irresistible and Dominant over =
His=20
servants.</P>
<P>Some people may be astonished by what the West has from the =
materialistic=20
power, from various weapons, aircraft carriers, bombs, satellites etc., =
and they=20
forget that Allah, subhanahu wa ta`ala, allowed that piece of land to =
move and=20
shake, being able to shake the force of the West and the East. =
Everything is in=20
His Hands, He has power over all things, and no one in the Heavens and =
the Earth=20
can weaken Him, subhanahu wa ta`ala. Appearance of the earthquakes =
therefore=20
points us to a different reality that may be absent in the minds of some =
people,=20
those who are busy with this world and who are servants of materialism. =
</P>
<P>This earthquake also reminds us of the Day of Judgment. The Day when =
all of=20
the Earth will shake, and not only one part of it. Allahu subhanahu wa =
ta`ala=20
says, </P><B>
<P>"O mankind! Fear your Lord and be dutiful to Him! Verily, the =
earthquake of=20
the Hour is a terrible thing. The Day you shall see it, every nursing =
mother=20
will forget her nursling, and every pregnant one shall drop her load, =
and you=20
shall see mankind as in a drunken state. Yet they will not be drunken, =
but the=20
Torment of Allah will be severe."</B> (22:1-2)</P>
<P>Look what is left after the earthquake from destroyed buildings and =
houses,=20
deaths of thousands, and families seeking refuge outside of their homes. =
What=20
state is that in which everyone is running away, caring about nothing? =
So what=20
do you think of the Day of Judgment? </P><B>
<P>"That Day shall a man flee from his own brother, and from his mother =
and his=20
father, and from his wife and his children."</B> (80:34-36)</P><B>
<P>"One the day (when the first blowing of the Trumpet is blown), the =
earth and=20
the mountains will shake violently."</B> (79:6)</P>
<P>Allah ta`ala warns His servants with this earthquake to learn a =
lesson and be=20
admonished, and to be ready and prepare themselves for the Day of =
sorting out,=20
the day of the great earthquake, that will shake all of the earth.</P>
<P>Allah ta`ala has placed in this universe Sunan, fixed and manifest =
laws,=20
neither do they change nor are they replaceable. He does not have any =
kinship=20
with anyone, He is the sole Creator and Ruler, and He will question and =
hold=20
accountable everyone, including prophets and messengers. <B>"Then =
surely, We=20
shall question those to whom it (the Book) was sent and We shall =
question the=20
Messengers." </B>(7:6)</P>
<P>From among the established Sunan of Allah is that He does not send =
punishment=20
except due to sin and He does not remove it except after repentance. =
Allah=20
ta`ala says, <B>"Whatever misfortune befalls you, it is because of what =
your=20
hands have earned." </B>(42:30)</P>
<P>Allah the Mighty and Majestic says: <B>"Evil and mischief have =
appeared on=20
land and sea because of what the hands of men have earned, that Allah =
may make=20
them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may =
return=20
(by repenting to Allah)." </B>[30:41]</P>
<P>Every disaster and every calamity that befalls the servants is due to =
their=20
sins and wrongdoing. So know, servants of Allah, what wrongdoing does to =
its=20
doers.</P>
<P>What has taken Adam and Eve from the Jannah except wrongdoing, and =
what Has=20
drowned all of the people on the earth at the time of Nooh, to the point =
that=20
water reached the peak of mountains, except wrongdoing? </P>
<P>Who is it who sent the furious violent wind upon the people of `Aad, =
so that=20
they were seen lying overthrown and destroyed, as if they were hollow =
trunks of=20
palm-trees? Who is it who sent the awful cry upon the people of Thamud =
until it=20
cut their hearts inside their bodies, and they all fell dead without =
exception?=20
Who lifted the villages of the people of Loot till the angels heard =
barking of=20
their dogs, then turned them upside down, and then rained upon them a =
rain of=20
stones? </P>
<P>That is the immediate punishment for wrongdoing: drowning, fire, =
earthquakes,=20
destruction, famine, raging wind... <B>"And the torment of the hereafter =
is far=20
more severe and more lasting." </B>(20:127)</P>
<P>Do we not take admonition and lesson? Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala =
says,<B> "Did=20
We not destroy the ancients? So shall We make the later generations to =
follow=20
them. Thus do We deal with the Mujrimoon (criminals, disbelievers, =
sinners.).=20
Woe that Day to the deniers (of the Day of Resurrection)!" =
</B>[77:16-19]</P>
<P>The earthquake of Turkey is just a warning from Allah, subhanahu wa =
ta`ala -=20
not only to the people of that country alone, but rather to the Muslims =
in=20
general, in all lands - that they may return to their Lord and their =
Deen.=20
Otherwise a punishment will come upon them. Allah ta`ala says, <B>"So We =
seized=20
each of them for his sins." </B>(29:40)</P>
<P>Many of the Muslims today have gathered many sins. We see those who =
delay and=20
neglect prayers, eat haram, deal with riba, do not fulfill their trusts, =
order=20
the evil and forbid the good. Those who indulge in mixing, display of =
awra,=20
listening to music and songs, and those who have abandoned the Qur'an. =
All these=20
exist in our society. Let us fear Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala and preserve =
what we=20
have from the blessings, for wrongdoing removes blessings, rather it =
changes it=20
to a curse. And let us be warned of an evil end, for Allah gives us a =
chance but=20
is not neglectful. What has happened to the previous nations and some of =
the=20
current ones will happen to us if we obey the Shaytan and go far from =
the path=20
of the Most Merciful. These are the sunan of Allah that will never=20
change.</P><B>
<P>"Or do you feel secure that He, Who is over the Heaven, will not =
cause the=20
earth to sink with you, then behold it shakes (as in an earthquake)? Or =
do you=20
feel secure that He, Who is over the heaven, will not send against you a =
violent=20
whirlwind? Then you shall know how (terrible) was My Warning."</B>=20
(67:16-17)</P>
<P>Let us pause and ask ourselves what has been the tangible impact on =
us since=20
we have heard and seen this earthquake, and what it has left from the =
mighty and=20
scary destruction that makes the hearts bleed. The happy one is one who =
learns=20
from the calamity of others, and the sad one is by whom these calamities =
pass=20
while he takes no lesson from them. </P>
<P>Just recently the sun eclipsed, then followed the floods, then the =
strong=20
wind, and then this earthquake happened. The people are still as they =
were=20
before, you see no change. You do not see people going back to the path =
of Allah=20
and you do not see any crowds in mosques. It is unfortunate that the =
explanation=20
offered for these events is that they are normal natural disasters, and =
that=20
they do not link it to what happens to people due to their wrongdoing. =
Theirs is=20
clearly an incorrect interpretation.</P><B>
<P>"And We sent not the signs except to warn, and to make them afraid =
(of=20
destruction)."</B> (17:59)</P><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Allahumma salli wasallim alaa =
Nabiyyina=20
Muhammad. Wasalaam.<BR>Modou Mbye</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 18:02:50 +0100
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>Hi Dr.. Saine,
My opinion on whether Gambia should become part of Senegal
is a resounding no. However, I do support a partnership
based on equality. If you recall the mechanics of the
confederal agreement in 1981, the Presidency was always
with Senegal and the agreement was generally flawed in
favor of Senegal. Having said that, one can understand the
circumstances in which the agreement was signed.
I believe that if the Gambia is to enter into any form of
union with Senegal the economic benefits should outweigh
the cost. With hindsight one can ask what has the
senegambia confederation from 1981-1989 contributed to the
development of the Gambia. Has there been any economic
benefits for the nation, apart from the privilege few who
used to jet off to Senegal as confederal parliamentarians and
ministers with their enhanced allowances.
Looking at it from Senegal's side, making the Gambia part
of Senegal will increase access to the cassamance region
especially in terms of reduced transportation costs. The
Gambia borders Senegal on three sides and there are bound to
be economic spillovers. Historically, the attraction of the
Gambian economy has been its liberal import policy, as a
result it has acted an entrepot for the subregion. The
efficiency of the port system and the turn around time of
imported goods is much quicker in Gambia than in the
surrounding countries. Hence the growth of the reexport
trade. To Senegal, the growth in the reexport trade is
generally considered as a fraud (smuggling) because it is
not channeled through official sources. Whilst the
government of the Gambia derives tax revenue accruing from
the higher level of imports, across the border, traders are
selling goods that the government realizes nothing from.
(these are some of the issues which makes Senegal want the
federation so badly).
I also don't believe that force should be used to integrate
Gambia and Senegal. The political instability of Cassamance
is enough to put that proposition to rest and also people
are very resilient, they cannot be forced to accept an
agreement that has been imposed on them.
The problems enumerated is an indication of the obstacles
that African countries face in the quest for an African
Economic Community. Of course there are various levels of
cooperation, staring from the simplest level and gradually
building it up to the total unification of African
countries.
Senegal have a greater advantage to squeeze the Gambian
economy. When they closed their borders in 1993/94, the
reexport trade suffered causing a loss of government
revenue. My personal opinion is alternatives to the
reexport trade should have been implemented long ago.
Re-exports does not create long term employment except that
it benefits the few traders with the market monopoly. There
is an urgent need to invest for industrialization by
creating cottage industries that will create jobs in
the long run.
I'm sure L'ers have an opinion on this issue.
Basil
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:52:42 -0400 Abdoulaye Saine
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> Mr. Jones & G-L Community:
>
> I have read with great interest many of the brilliant postings,
> (including your own) on the subject regarding the need for both
> continental and regional unity. The rationale for such schemes and
> reservations raised have been compelling. My concern however, is closer
> to home. That is, Gambia's relation to its larger neighbor, Senegal.
> Should Gambia become part of Senegal? Should we resolve this enduring
> political and geographic oddity or leave it as it is? How tenable is the
> current situation? Would the use of force to integrate Gambia into
> Senegal justifiable? I did like to know what you all think? Thanks.
>
> Abdoulaye
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Folks,
Herein forwarded is my thoughts on Mr. Saine's question on integrating The
Gambia into Senegal.
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G-L Community,
The cliche has it that "charity begins at home". Accordingly, Mr. Saine's
topic on the question of integrating The Gambia into Senegal would certainly
provoke an interesting and fitting debate from both sides. Much as the issue
of uniting Africa is a grandiose idea, the one on The Gambia/Senegal
integration appears to be more within our reach/grab than the former.
However, it is my conviction that the amalgation of The Gambia into Senegal
even though, on the surface it looks pretty much possible taking into play
the close proximity of the two countries; their religions, cultures, choice
of cuisine, the ethnic groups, the apparels/attires, appearance etc.
Conversely, the one stumbling block to this great idea is the colonial
disparity as it where (English and French) and this to me more than anything
else makes the dream untenable/not feasible. To put it bluntly, our
individual prides as an English or French speaking Nation would not allow one
to yield their colonial language to the other. There has always existed a
healthy suspicion between the two peoples and this unfortunately has boiled
down to The Gambia/Senegal situation (take it or leave it, there are no two
ways to illustrate the scenario). That dichotomy in language itself was
deliberately designed by our masters to keep us apart at all times in order
to advance their selfish and heartless interests in our region in particular
and the continent in general. So to change the status quo ante is to invite
the Cameroon situation which if not handle with the utmost care backfires
into animosity and internecine war, as is the case in the Cameroons. Which
we don't want and this is not to insinuate that we are happy with the state
of affairs in Cameroon, far from it but let us face it; that is what is
happening there and until matters change for the better the continent has to
live with it. Therefore excruciating a pain as it maybe, I think we have to
live with the geographical oddity as it is and continue to co-exist amicably
as it has been for centuries after colonialism.
On the question of forcefully invading The Gambia, my answer to that is a
simple one; attempting to annex The Gambia shall regrettably be a faux pas on
the part of Senegal.
Finally, the question as Shakespeare would have asked about the proposed
integration would possibly read as thus: "to be or not to be" and the
response probably, would have been the later (not to be), for if the wrong
choice is opted for that would spell an untold suffering for the two peoples
which may not be the intended consequence by any means. This is my personal
opinion about the issue.
Allota a continua.
OB.
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In a message dated 99-09-19 13:05:20 EDT, you write:
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I believe that if the Gambia is to enter into any form of
union with Senegal the economic benefits should outweigh
the cost. With hindsight one can ask what has the
senegambia confederation from 1981-1989 contributed to the
development of the Gambia. Has there been any economic
benefits for the nation, apart from the privilege few who
used to jet off to Senegal as confederal parliamentarians and
ministers with their enhanced allowances. >>
Basil:
It is good to hear from you , once again raising the important issues on the
L. You have been missed. To your above point, it is interesting that you are
only asking whether the confederation contributed to the development of The
Gambia, and one would asked did it enhanced the economic development of
Senegal either. The 1981 confederation should never be seen as a reason not
to pursue economic union with Senegal. It is fair to say that there has never
been any serious attempt by neither countries to look into the impact of
some sort of joint economic reunion. Also it is important to realize that the
question is not what it will do for Gambia, but what it would do to the
economy of the Senegambian region. Lastly, our present situation has failed
the entire Senegambian region, and how much of a risk would it be to try
something new.
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In a message dated 99-09-19 19:15:45 EDT, you write:
<< It is fair to say that there has never
been any serious attempt by neither countries to look into the impact of
some sort of joint economic reunion. Also it is important to realize that
the >>
I meant to say " by any of the countries"
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Greetings:
To give my buray ak butut to Dr. Saine's questions:
1.>Should Gambia become part of Senegal?
No! Gambia should NEVER become a part of Senegal, rather Senegal and Gambia
should become part of a new political entity called
'what-the-people-want-to-call-it - 'Senegambia' or otherwise'.
Our recent history(i.e. post 1981), has left a bitter taste on the tongues
of Gambians that becoming 'absorbed' or 'dominated' by Senegal will not be
accepted. Had Jawara followed through with a referendum, as dictated by the
existing constitution, who knows what the outcome might have been?
Yet, not merging together makes little sense in the face of tremendous
political, economic and social challenges.
I will amplify on this and on the other questions tomorrow or the day after.
Regards,
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Dr Saine,
Thank you for inviting comments on the Gambia becoming part of
Senegal, or uniting the two countries. Well, to my own opinion Gambia should
not be part of senegal. We are all aware of what happened during the
sene-gambia confederation in 1981/2 and what lead to the birth of the
confederation.
It was evident that Mr. Jawara use the senegalese to restore his
legitimate government. He used the same politics to forge that partial
confederation. The senegalese people are still upset why Jawara use them for
his own gain. The other issue with Senegal and the Gambia is the fact that
the French are still very much involve in the senegalese government. Any
decision that will hamper the interest of the French government will hardly
be successful.
Finally, we are talking about African unity and this should be
pursued collectively involving all African nations. I therefore do not
favour fake unity that would end up creating hatred between two close nations
as it happen after the failed confederation.
God bless
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Fellow brothers and sisters,
The debate to unite mother Africa is well stated among
the members of the G-L. May I please suggest that those of us living in the
United States and Canada start to mobilize ourselves and convey a forum on
the unity of our continent. We may either start by first conveying a
Gambian forum on the possibility of uniting our country to other African
nations or Just invite all Africans living in America and the environs. to
attend a general conference on uniting mother Africa.
The out come of such a forum will still determine how
possible we could influence the unity of our people. As Ndye and others
stated before, charity begins at home, so let us see if really we are ready
to put words into action.
I am quite confident that we have respected intellectuals
like Dr. Saine and others who can lead us to this vision of unity. Please
comment on this suggestion. The struggle continues.
God bless
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>Subject: THE MAKING OF A SLAVE (the divide and rule policy of WILLIE LYNCH)
>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:08:35 EDT
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>THE WILLIE LYNCH STORY
>
>The Enemy Within The Willie Lynch Story
>
>While there are racial and societal forces at work on us from the outside,
>a
>certain portion of our problem lies within. From the days of our
>enslavement,
>many of us bought into the slave mentality. We accepted the white man’s
>pronouncement that we were an inferior race, and even when we came to
>understand that it was a false pronouncement, it continued to dominate our
>collective psyches; it was a powerful introduction.
>
>The following is an infamous and chilling example of how that mentality was
>ingrained into our ancestors, and into succeeding generations. It is taken
>from a speech give by Willie Lynch, from whose name the term lynching is
>derived. Lynch was a British slave owner in the West Indies, probably of
>Jamaican heritage, who used mind-control techniques on his black slaves and
>then advocated the use of those manipulative techniques to other slave
>owners. He was invited to the colony of Virginia in 1712 to teach his
>methods
>to slave owners there, and these are his words as passed down, I think you
>will find them haunting:
>
>Gentlemen: I greet you here on the bank of the James River in the year of
>Our
>Lord one thousand seven hundred and twelve. First, I shall thank you The
>Gentlemen of the Colony of Virginia for bringing me here. I am here to help
>you solve some of your problems with slaves. Your invitation reached me on
>my
>modest plantation in the West Indies where I have experimented with some of
>the newest and still oldest methods for control of slaves. Ancient Rome
>would
>envy us if my program is implemented. As our boat sailed south on the James
>River, named for our illustrious King, whose version of the Bible we
>cherish,
>I saw enough to know that your problem is not unique. While Rome used cords
>of wood as crosses for standing human bodies along its highways in great
>numbers, you are here using the tree and the rope on occasion.
>
>I caught the whiff of a dead slave hanging from a tree a couple of miles
>back. You are not only losing valuable stock by hangings, you are having
>uprisings, slaves are running away, your crops are sometimes left in the
>field too long for maximum profit, you suffer occasional fires, your
>animals
>are killed, gentlemen, you know what your problems are; I do not need to
>elaborate. I am not here to enumerate your problems, I am here to introduce
>you to a method of solving them.
>
>In my bag here, I have a fool proof method of controlling Black Slaves. I
>guarantee everyone of you that if installed correctly, it would control the
>slaves for at least 300 years. My method is simple and members of your
>family
>and any Overseer can use it.
>
>I have outlined a number of difference (s) among the slaves; and I take
>these
>differences and make them bigger. I use fear, distrust, and envy for
>control
>purposes. These methods have worked on my modest plantation in the West
>Indies and [they] will work throughout the South. Take this simple little
>list of differences, think about them. On top of my list is "Age", but it
>is
>there only because it begins with "A". The second is "Color" or "Shade",
>there is intelligence, size, sex, size of plantation, status of plantation,
>attitude of owner, whether the slaves live in the valley, on a hill, East,
>West, North, or South, have a fine or coarse hair, or is tall or short. Now
>that you have a list of differences, I shall give you an out line of action
>but before that, I shall assure you that distrust is stronger than trust
>and
>envy is stronger than adulation, respect and admiration.
>
>The Black Slave, after receiving this indoctrination, shall carry on and
>will
>become self-refueling and self-generating for hundreds of years, maybe
>thousands.
>
>Don’t forget you must pitch the old black versus the young black and the
>young black male against the old black male. You must use the dark skin
>slave
>vs. the light skin slaves and the light skin slaves vs. the dark skin
>slaves.
>You must also have your white servants and overseers distrust all blacks,
>but
>it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us. They must love,
>respect and trust only us.
>
>Gentlemen, these Kits are keys to control, use them. Have your wives and
>children use them, never miss an opportunity. My plan is guaranteed and the
>good thing about this plan is that if used intensely for one year the slave
>themselves will remain perpetually distrustful.
>
>Thank you, gentlemen.
>
>Interestingly on March 17, 1978, a secret memorandum was issued to the
>president and his Cabinet as part of a "comprehensive review of current
>developments in Black Africa from the point of view of their possible
>impacts
>on the black movement in the United States." It was an analysis of the
>strategic social, economic, and political ramifications made by
>then-chairman
>of the National Security Council Zbigniew Brezezinski under Jimmy Carter.
>
>I was provided a copy of this memorandum by Reverend Walter E. Fauntroy,
>who,
>as chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, joined numerous national
>black
>organizations in expressing outrage over the memorandum. Reverend Fautroy
>is
>now pastor of one of Washington, D.C.’s most influential churches, and
>chairman of Southern Christian Leadership Conference. He also heads a
>Washington D.C. - based consulting firm specializing in international
>finance
>and trade.
>
>It was Brzezinski’s position at the time that it was not in the best
>interest
>of the U.S. to allow any part of the U.S. black movement to show outreach
>and
>support for the emerging movement in black Africa.
>
>To that end a "range of policy options" was suggested; at least four of
>those
>options reflect Willie Lynch’s approach to controlling slaves. They were:
>
>to elaborate and bring into effect a special program designed to perpetuate
>division in the black movement to neutralize the most active groups of
>leftist radical organizations representing different social strata of the
>black community to encourage divisions in black cities. to preserve the
>present climate which inhibits the emergence from within the black
>leadership
>of a personality capable of exerting nationwide appeal. to work out and
>realize preventive operations in order to impede durable ties between US
>black organizations and radical groups in African states. to support
>actions
>designed to sharpen social stratification in the black community which
>would
>lead to the widening and perpetuation of the gap between successful
>educated
>blacks and the poor, giving rise to growing antagonism between different
>black groups and weakening of the movement as a whole.
>
>Tragically, the infamous Brezezinksi memorandum and Lynch’s predatory,
>racist
>instincts were effective and few of us can deny that the self-defeating
>mentality that he nurtured among his slaves lives on today. Still, too many
>blacks prey upon each other, and those who would hold us back watch in
>delight as the media feeds them with images of conflict within our own
>families and neighborhoods. All of these preoccupations regarding our
>differences, plight, and challenges contribute to divisiveness, which makes
>us all weaker in our battles against racism on the outside. Jealousies
>within
>our racial community stifle productive behavior that might benefit us all,
>and they severely limit our ability to come together for united, positive
>action in which combined strength and shared resources might elevate our
>lives. Our enemies delight in our fractured community. They fear unity,
>trust, and cohesion. We must recognize and resist the insidious
>"race-lynching" of our own. We have to remove our hands from the ropes
>around
>our necks before we can begin to effectively battle our common enemies.
>
>Courtesy of William Morrow - Publishing Co.
>
><Picture: Color BAr>
>
>
>
>Full Text of The Willie Lynch Writings
>"Let's Make A Slave"
>
>Full Text of The Willie Lynch Writings "Let's Make A Slave"
>
>by The Black Arcade Liberation Library ;1970 (Recompiled and reedited by
>Kenneth T. Spann.)
>
>"The following treatise, to the knowledgeable, will be the missing link
>that
>has been sought to explain how we were put into the condition that we find
>ourselves in today. It confirms the fact that the slave holder tried to
>leave
>nothing to chance when it came to his property; his slaves. It
>demonstrates,
>how out of necessity, the slave holder had to derive a system for
>perpetuating his cash crop, the slave, while at the same time insulating
>himself from retribution by his unique property.
>
>A careful analysis of the following "handbook" will hopefully change the
>ignorant among our people who say "Why study slavery ?" Those narrow minded
>people will be shown that the condition of our people today is due to a
>scientific and psychological blue print for the perpetuation of the mental
>condition that allowed slavery to flourish. The slaveholder was keenly
>aware
>of the breeding principles of his livestock and the following treatise
>demonstrates that he thoroughly used those principles on his human live
>stock
>as well, the African Slave, and added a debilitating psychological
>component
>as well.
>
>It was the interest and business of slaveholders to study human nature, and
>the slave nature in particular, with a view to practical results, and many
>of
>them attained astonishing proficiency in this direction. They had to deal
>not
>with earth, wood, and stone, but with men, and by every regard they had,
>for
>their own safety and prosperity, the need to know the material on which
>they
>were to work.
>
>Conscious of the injustice and wrong they were every hour perpetuating and
>knowing what they themselves would do if they were the victims of such
>wrongs. They were constantly looking for the first signs of the dreaded
>retribution. They watched, therefore, with skilled and practiced eyes, and
>learned to read, with great accuracy, the state of mind and heart of the
>slave, through his stable face. Unusual sobriety, apparent abstraction,
>sullenness, and indifference, indeed any mood out of the common way
>afforded
>ground for suspicion and inquiry. Let's Make A Slave" is a study of the
>scientific process of man breaking and slave making. It describes the
>rationale and results of the Anglo Saxon's ideas and methods of insuring
>the
>master/slave relationship."
>
>Frederick Douglas
>
>"LET'S MAKE A SLAVE" by Willie Lynch The Origin and Development of a Social
>Being Called "The Negro"
>
>Let us make a slave. What do we need? First of all we need a black nigger
>man, a pregnant nigger woman and her baby nigger boy. Second, we will use
>the
>same basic principle that we use in breaking a horse, combined with some
>more
>sustaining factors. We reduce them from their natural state in nature;
>whereas nature provides them with the natural capacity to take care of
>their
>needs and the needs of their offspring, we break that natural string of
>independence from them and thereby create a dependency state so that we
>maybe
>able to get from them useful production for our business and pleasure.
>
>CARDINAL PRINCIPLES FOR MAKING A NEGRO For fear that our future generations
>may not understand the principles of breaking both horses and men, we lay
>down the art. For, if we are to sustain our basic economy we must break
>both
>of the beasts together, the nigger and the horse. We understand that short
>range planning in economics results in periodic economic chaos, so that, to
>avoid turmoil in the economy, it requires us to have breadth and depth in
>long range comprehensive planning, articulating both skill and sharp
>perception. We lay down the following principles for long range
>comprehensive
>economic planning:
>
>1) Both horse and niggers are no good to the economy in the wild or natural
>state. 2) Both must be broken and tied together for orderly production. 3)
>For orderly futures, special and particular attention must be paid to the
>female and the youngest offspring. 4) Both must be crossbred to produce a
>variety and division of labor. 5) Both must be taught to respond to a
>peculiar new language. 6) Psychological and physical instruction of
>containment must be created for both
>
>We hold the above six cardinals as truths to be self-evident, based upon
>the
>following discourse concerning the economics of breaking and tying the
>horse
>and nigger together...all inclusive of the six principles laid down above.
>
>NOTE: Neither principles alone will suffice for good economics. All
>principles must be employed for the orderly good of the nation.
>Accordingly,
>both a wild horse and a wild or natural nigger is dangerous even if
>captured,
>for they will have the tendency to seek their customary freedom, and, in
>doing so, might kill you in your sleep. You cannot rest. They sleep while
>you
>are awake and are awake while you are asleep.
>
>They are dangerous near the family house and it requires too much labor to
>watch them away from the house. Above all you cannot get them to work in
>this
>natural state. Hence, both the horse and the nigger must be broken, that is
>break them from one form of mental life to another, keep the body and take
>the mind. In other words, break the will to resist.
>
>Now the breaking process is the same for the horse and the nigger, only
>slightly varying in degrees. But as we said before, You must keep your eye
>focused on the female and the offspring of the horse and the nigger. A
>brief
>discourse in offspring development will shed light on the key to sound
>economic principles. Pay little attention to the generation of original
>breaking but concentrate on future generations.
>
>Therefore, if you break the female, she will break the offspring in its
>early
>years of development and, when the offspring is old enough to work, she
>will
>deliver it up to you. For her normal female protective tendencies will have
>been lost in the original breaking process. For example, take the case of
>the
>wild stud horse, a female horse and an already infant horse and compare the
>breaking process with two captured nigger males in their natural state, a
>pregnant nigger woman with her infant offspring.
>
>Take the stud horse, break him for limited containment. Completely break
>the
>female horse until she becomes very gentle whereas you or anybody can ride
>her in comfort. Breed the mare and the stud until you have the desired
>offspring. Then you can turn the stud to freedom until you need him again.
>Train the female horse whereby she will eat out of your hand, and she will
>train the infant horse to eat out of your hand also.
>
>When it comes to breaking the uncivilized nigger, use the same process, but
>vary the degree and step up the pressure so as to do a complete reversal of
>the mind. Take the meanest and most restless nigger, strip him of his
>clothes
>in front of the remaining male niggers, the female, and the nigger infant,
>tar and feather him, tie each leg to a different horse faced in opposite
>directions, set him afire and beat both horses to pull him apart in front
>of
>the remaining niggers.
>
>The next step is to take a bullwhip and beat the remaining nigger male to
>the
>point of death in front of the female and the infant. Don't kill him. But
>put
>the fear of God in him, for he can be useful for future breeding.
>
>THE BREAKING PROCESS OF THE AFRICAN WOMAN
>
>Take the female and run a series of tests on her to see if she will submit
>to
>your desires willingly. Test her in every way, because she is the most
>important factor for good economics. If she shows any signs of resistance
>in
>submitting completely to your will, do not hesitate to use the bull whip on
>her to extract that last bit of bitch out of her. Take care not to kill
>her,
>for in doing so, you spoil good economics. When in complete submission, she
>will train her offspring in the early years to submit to labor when they
>become of age. Understanding is the best thing.
>
>Therefore, we shall go deeper into this area of the subject matter
>concerning
>what we have produced here in this breaking of the female nigger. We have
>reversed the relationships. In her natural uncivilized state she would have
>a
>strong dependency on the uncivilized nigger male, and she would have a
>limited protective dependency toward her independent male offspring and
>would
>raise female offspring to be dependent like her.
>
>Nature had provided for this type of balance. We reversed nature by burning
>and pulling one civilized nigger apart and bull whipping the other to the
>point of death--all in her presence. By her being left alone, unprotected,
>with the male image destroyed, the ordeal caused her to move from her
>psychological dependent state to a frozen independent state.
>
>In this frozen psychological state of independence she will raise her male
>and female offspring in reversed roles. For fear of the young male's life
>she
>will psychologically train him to be mentally weak and dependent but
>physically strong. Because she has become psychologically independent, she
>will train her female offspring to be psychological independent as well.
>What
>have you got? You've got the nigger woman out front and the nigger man
>behind
>and scared. This is a perfect situation for sound sleep and economics.
>
>Before the breaking process, we had to be alert and on guard at all times.
>Now we can sleep soundly, for out of frozen fear, his woman stands guard
>for
>us. He cannot get past her early infant slave molding process. He is a good
>tool, now ready to be tied to the horse at a tender age. By the time a
>nigger
>boy reaches the age of sixteen, he is soundly broken in and ready for a
>long
>life of sound and efficient work and the reproduction of a unit of good
>labor
>force.
>
>Continually, through the breaking of uncivilized savage niggers, by
>throwing
>the nigger female savage into a frozen psychological state of independency,
>by killing the protective male image, and by creating a submissive
>dependent
>mind of the nigger male slave, we have created an orbiting cycle that turns
>on its own axis forever, unless a phenomenon occurs and reshifts the
>positions of the male and female savages. We show what we mean by example.
>
>We breed two nigger males with two nigger females. Then we take the nigger
>males away from them and keep them moving and working. Say the nigger
>female
>bears a nigger female and the other bears a nigger male. Both nigger
>females,
>being without influence of the nigger male image, frozen with an
>independent
>psychology, will raise their offspring into reverse positions.
>
>The one with the female offspring will teach her to be like herself,
>independent and negotiable (we negotiate with her, through her, by her, and
>negotiate her at will) The one with the nigger male offspring, she being
>frozen with a subconscious fear for his life, will raise him to be mentally
>dependent and weak, but physically strong...in other words, body over mind.
>Now, in a few years when these two offspring become fertile for early
>reproduction, we will mate and breed them and continue the cycle. That is
>good, sound, and long range comprehensive planning.
>
>WARNING: POSSIBLE INTERLOPING NEGATIVES
>
>Earlier, we talked about the non-economic good of the horse and the nigger
>in
>their wild or natural state; we talked out the principle of breaking and
>tying them together for orderly production, furthermore, we talked about
>paying particular attention to the female savage and her offspring for
>orderly future planning; then more recently we stated that, by reversing
>the
>positions of the male and the female savages we had created an orbiting
>cycle
>that turns on its own axis forever, unless phenomenon occurred, and
>reshifted
>the positions of the male and female savages.
>
>Our experts warned us about the possibility of this phenomenon occurring,
>for
>they say that the mind has a strong drive to correct and recorrect itself
>over a period of time if it can touch some substantial original historical
>base; and they advised us that the best way to deal with this phenomenon is
>to shave off the brute's mental history and create a multiplicity of
>phenomenon or illusions so that each illusion will twirl in its own orbit,
>something akin to floating balls in a vacuum.
>
>This creation of a multiplicity of phenomenon or illusions entails the
>principles of crossbreeding the nigger and the horse as we stated above,
>the
>purpose of which is to create a diversified division of labor. The results
>of
>which is the severance of the points of original beginning's for each
>spherical illusion. Since we feel that the subject matter may get more
>complicated as we proceed in laying down our economic plan concerning the
>purpose, reason, and effect of cross-breeding horses and niggers, we shall
>lay down the following definitional terms for future generations.
>
>1. Orbiting cycle means a thing turning in a given pattern.
>
>2. Axis means upon which or around which a body turns.
>
>3. Phenomenon means something beyond ordinary conception and inspires awe
>and
>wonder.
>
>4. Multiplicity means a great number.
>
>5. Sphere means a globe.
>
>6. Cross-breeding a horse means taking a horse and breeding it with an ass
>and you get a dumb backward ass, longheaded mule that is not reproductive
>nor
>productive by itself.
>
>7. Cross-breeding niggers means taking so many drops of good white blood
>and
>putting them into as many nigger women as possible, varying the drops by
>the
>various tones that you want, and then letting them breed with each other
>until the circle of colors appear as you desire.
>
>What this means is this: Put the niggers and the horse in the breeding pot,
>mix some asses and some good white blood and what do you get? You got a
>multiplicity of colors of ass backwards, unusual niggers, running, tied to
>backwards ass longheaded mules, the one productive of itself, the other
>sterile.
>
>(The one constant, the other dying. We keep the nigger constant for we may
>replace the mule for another tool) both mule and nigger tied to each other,
>neither knowing where the other came from and neither productive for
>itself,
>nor without each other.
>
>CONTROLLED LANGUAGE
>
>Cross-breeding completed, for further severance from their original
>beginning, we must completely annihilate the mother tongue of both the
>nigger
>and the new mule and institute a new language that involves the new life's
>work of both. You know, language is a peculiar institution. It leads to the
>heart of a people.
>
>The more a foreigner knows about the language of another country the more
>he
>is able to move through all levels of that society. Therefore, if the
>foreigner is an enemy of the country, to the extent that he knows the body
>of
>the language, to that extent is the country vulnerable to attack or
>invasion
>of a foreign culture.
>
>For example, you take a slave, if you teach him all about your language, he
>will know all your secrets, and he is then no more a slave, for you can't
>fool him any longer and having a fool is one of the basic ingredients of
>and
>incidents to the making of the slavery system.
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>It is Sunday afternoon, 12 September 1999. It was exactly 22 years ago
>when son of man, Bantu Steve Biko was brutally murdered by the settler
>minority regime; almost six years since our pseudo-independence, yet
>our society is still largely controlled by the minority nation and
>Black Liberals.
>
>Those who were direct products of the Black Consciousness philosophy,
>have since changed their tune and declared Black Consciousness racist,
>obsolete, redundant and radical. These were the people who
>miscalculated the liberatory philosophy of the Black Consciousness.
>When you say you are Black and Proud, they are too quick to label you
>racist and not progressive; progressive to them is when you have whites
>amongst your midst and elect them to lead your organisation.
>
>Our country today is dominated by Black Liberals entourage in almost
>all sectors of our society, our news rooms both print and electronic,
>have also been permeated by Black liberalism. They are so much
>influential to an extent that most of our youth take them as their
>genuine role-models, what our youth do not realise is that a Black
>Liberal lives a fake life and has no pride in himself/herself.
>
>No wonder most of our youth think that part of our liberation struggle
>was to replace white faces in parliament with black faces, attending
>multi-racial schools or perhaps dating whites. One of the main
>objectives of the Black Consciousness Movement, was exactly the other
>way round, to crush the "Ja Baas, More Baas" tendencies, Black
>Liberalism and the fear that was instilled amongst us.
>
>It was the same Black Liberals that sold us out during the secret talks
>and Kempton Park negotiations, which gave the minority nation an
>ultimate control on almost all aspects of our lives. To make matters
>worse, we are expected to sing the apartheid anthem,"Die Stem" all in
>the name of reconciliation and rainbow nation. This is the same anthem
>that was brilliantly sung during the apartheid days at the decoration
>ceremonies of SAP and SANDF force members, after successful
>cross-border operations in Lesotho, Botswana, Swaziland and Angola.
>
>Transformation process in this country is generally moving at a garden
>snail pace, because it is led by Black Liberals, these are the kind of
>people who soft peddle white arrogance in this country. Some white
>people in this country have indicated their willingness to renounce the
>South African citizenship, yet the Black Liberals still beg them not to
>relocate.
>
>Today there is a debate about "Who is an African" in South Africa,
>largely because of the Black Liberals telling white South Africans or
>rather European-Africans, that they also qualify as Africans. Black
>Liberalism is very dangerous and will destroy what sons and daughters
>of the soil gallantly died and fought for. These are the same people
>that allow us to be called names such as "people of colour in sports
>circles" without protest, because they suffer from identity crisis.
>Please call us Black Players not players of colour. We must go back to
>basics, educate and politicise our masses; we cannot lead Africa if we
>have no faith in ourselves.
>
>Bantu Biko talked about "Black Souls in White Skins", are we now
>witnessing the reverse of what Biko talked about some years back, that
>is "white Souls in Black Skins"? There is no doubt in my mind that
>Black Liberals' aspiration is whiteness, his dream is about waking-up
>white the next morning, he continuously asks, "Why did God make me
>Black"? Black Liberalism has today successfully destroyed the Black
>Consciousness Movement in the States, we must be careful of that.
>
>His only wish in Setswana is, "Keletso ya nna Pitse, nko ke palama". He
>goes around telling the workers and the youth how much he/she hates
>imperialism, yet he openly displays one of the world =91s greatest
>imperialist flags, US, on his car. All of them today talk African
>Renaissance so eloquently and if you are not the Black person of my
>kind and thinking, you will definitely be easily deceived. What he does
>not know is that African Renaissance cannot succeed if it is dominated
>by Black Liberalism, it cannot succeed if it is not preceded by Black
>Renaissance, which is logically and historically Black Consciousness
>philosophy.
>
>How do we as Azanians (South Africans) hope to realise African
>Renaissance, if we despise ourselves as people ? We surely and
>desperately need constant political education.
>
>Sincerely yours
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World Socialist
15 September 1999
How Britain crushed the "Mau Mau rebellion"
Channel Four TV's Secret History - Mau Mau
By Barbara Slaughter
Secret History, a series currently showing on Channel Four television in
Britain, claims to "tell the truth that lies behind official stories about
the past. Overturning cliches and demolishing sacred cows, the series
presents history as it should be - warts and all."
Mau Mau, screened on August 24, certainly reveals aspects of the history
of British imperialism in Africa previously hidden from view. The story of
what is known as the "Mau Mau rebellion" (from 1952 to 1959), and the
response to it by the colonial government and European settlers, is told
through documentary footage, narration and interviews with participants
from both sides, plus background material on the Channel Four web site.
The programme begins by describing the participants in the uprising as a
"gang of freedom fighters called 'Mau Mau', who had vowed to free Kenya
from colonialism at any cost....To the British, the uprising was such an
outrageous attack on colonialism, that it justified any response, and that
response when it came, would be brutal and shocking."
Film footage and commentary paints a vivid picture of Kenya before the
uprising, with smug Europeans living a life of idle luxury based on
African land and labour. But in the post-Second World War world,
resentment against colonial rule increased. One by one, African countries
demanded self-rule. John Maina Kahihu from the Mau Mau's political wing
said, "In 1942 we had fought for the British. But when we came home from
the war they gave us nothing."
The settlers felt themselves immune to the changing times. Willoughby
Smith, a district officer in the Colonial Service from 1948 to 1955,
testifies to this. "The settler knew a lot about how to use African
labour. But he could not see what the use of that labour and the
production of money was beginning to bring about. He could not see the
political change."
The fiercest opposition to the colonial authorities came from the Kikuyu
tribe who, 50 years earlier, had been evicted from their traditional areas
to make way for the European farmers. By the end of the Second World War,
3,000 European settlers owned 43,000 square kilometres of the most fertile
land, only 6 percent of which they cultivated.
The African population of 5.25 million occupied, without ownership rights,
less than 135,000 square kilometres of the poorest land. On the "native
reserves" much of the land was unsuitable for agriculture. The poor
peasants had been forced to abandon their traditional methods of extensive
agriculture and did not have access to the new technology that would make
intensive agriculture viable. The population could not feed itself and the
peasants were desperate.
The commentary explains, "Rumours began to circulate about the formation
of a secret society amongst the Kikuyu, Kenya's largest tribe, one-fifth
of the population. It was called the Land Freedom Army (LFA). It was
forcing Kikuyu to swear an oath to take back the land the white man had
stolen.... Any African who refused the oath or was loyal to the
colonialists was likely to be brutally murdered. The secret society
acquired a new name, though no one knew where from. It was called 'Mau
Mau'."
The designation "Mau Mau" was never used by the Kikuyu and does not exist
in their language. It was, most probably, invented by the British as part
of an attempt to demonise the Kikuyu people. Professor Lonsdale, an
historian, explains how the movement was portrayed by the settlers and the
government as "the welling up of the old unreconstructed Africa, which had
not yet received sufficient colonial enlightenment and discipline, which
proved that colonialism still had a job to do."
The core of the LFA was the Kikuyu Central Association (KCA), which was
formed in 1924. Its original programme was a combination of radical
demands such as the return of expropriated lands and the elimination of
the passbook scheme, (similar to the internal passport system in South
Africa), with a striving to return to the traditional pre-colonial past.
In the late 1930s the KCA led a wave of mass peasant struggles against the
forced sale of their livestock to the government.
Much of this political background was not explained in the programme, so
it appeared that the Mau Mau arose spontaneously in 1952.
In the 1950s the KCA began conscripting support from the Kikuyu masses,
believing it was possible to consolidate their support through the
administration of "the oath".
Jacob Njangi, an LFA fighter, explains, "We used to drink the oath. We
swore we would not let white men rule us forever. We would fight them even
down to our last man, so that man could live in freedom."
When a staunch British loyalist, Chief Waruhu, was killed on 7 October
1952, the government saw the LFA as the first serious threat to colonial
rule in post-war Africa. Two weeks later, on 20 October, a state of
emergency was declared.
Thousands of British troops and equipment were flown in to "clear the
colony of the menace of 'Mau Mau'". Over 100 leading members of the Kenya
African Union, a political party demanding greater African self-rule, were
arrested. Along with others, Jomo Kenyatta was put on trial for
subversion.
History Professor John Lonsdale explains that despite the fact that
Kenyatta had publicly denounced 'Mau Mau' and advocated peaceful change,
"the British and the white settlers were convinced that he was the brains
behind the movement.... But they couldn't get the evidence." Nevertheless,
Kenyatta was found guilty of incitement and imprisoned in a remote part of
Kenya for seven years hard labour.
Ten days into the start of emergency rule, almost 4,000 Africans had been
arrested, but the attacks from the LFA continued. A wave of hysteria swept
through the European settlers. In January 1953, after the killing of a
European farmer and his family, angry settlers stormed government house
demanding stronger action. In fact, more white settlers died in road
accidents on the streets of Nairobi during the emergency than at the hands
of the LFA.
On 25 March a loyalist village was destroyed and most of the inhabitants
were killed, including Chief Luka and his family. The programme shows how
the British portrayed this event as the slaughter of innocent Kikuyu. But
it did not explain that a short time before almost 100,000 Kikuyu farm
workers and their families had been evicted from their homes in the Rift
Valley - where they had been living as squatters on settler farms - and
driven back to the reserve. Some of them had already been evicted 20 years
earlier, to make way for European settlers. Chief Luka, who had been
personally rewarded with good land, negotiated this government "land
exchange scheme". The farm workers vented their anger against the chief,
whom they considered to be responsible for their plight.
In a revenge attack the following day, 10 times more Kikuyu were killed by
government forces and more houses were destroyed.
The LFA faced the full force of British colonial power. The unequal nature
of the conflict was illustrated by shots of fully armed British soldiers
inter-cut with LFA fighters armed only with bows and arrows and spears.
The forests of Mount Kenya, where the LFA had their base camps, were
designated a "prohibited area" and heavily bombed.
Peasants living on the fringes of the forest were evicted from the land,
their animals confiscated and crops and huts burned to clear the way for
the "free fire zone". Thousands were herded into overcrowded, heavily
militarised "protected villages".
The Channel Four web site provides more material on the policy of terror
employed by the British. In the "free fire zones" "any African could be
shot on sight.... Rewards were offered to the units that produced the
largest number of 'Mau Mau' corpses, the hands of which were chopped off
to make fingerprinting easier. Settlements suspected of harbouring 'Mau
Mau' were burned, and 'Mau Mau' suspects were tortured for information."
Reports of brutality by the British forces began to appear in the press.
The Daily Worker carried a report under the headline: "Officer who quit
says, 'It's Hitlerism'". The officer concerned was 19-year-old Second
Lieutenant David Larder, who after killing an African, chopped off his
hand. Afterwards he wrote home in anguish asking, "What has happened to
me?"
Other reports told of officers who paid their men five shillings a head
"for every 'Mau Mau' they killed". One soldier testified in court that his
officer had said he could shoot anybody he liked as long as they were
black, because he wanted to increase his company's score of kills to 50.
In late 1953 the British opened a new campaign, code named Operation
Anvil, to cut off the supply network to the LFA. The first target was
Nairobi, which was believed to be the centre of their organisation. On 24
April 1954, the police rounded up all the African inhabitants in the city
- around 100,000 people. The 70,000 Kikuyu were separated and screened. Of
them, up to 30,000 men were taken to holding camps. The families of the
arrested men were pushed into the already overcrowded native reserves.
In rural areas Kikuyu were forced into fortified villages, where they
lived under 23-hour curfew. This policy, known as "villagisation", was
claimed to be "purely protective and beneficial for the Africans". It gave
the colonial authorities total control over the Kikuyu.
Taking the Mau Mau oath was made a capital offence. Between 1953 and 1956
more than 1,000 Africans were hanged for alleged Mau Mau crimes. Public
hangings, which had been outlawed in Britain for over a century, were
carried out in Kenya during the emergency
Professor Lonsdale explains, "A mobile gallows was transported around the
country dispensing 'justice' to 'Mau Mau' suspects.... Dead 'Mau Mau',
especially commanders, were displayed at cross-roads, at market places and
at administrative centres."
In 1954 one-third of all Kikuyu men were said to be in prison. These
detainees had not been convicted of any crime and were held without trial.
The British government insisted that every prisoner had to denounce "the
oath" and submit to a "cleansing ceremony".
By 1956 the LFA had been militarily defeated, but the camps still held
20,000 detainees who refused to confess to taking the oath, so the
emergency remained in force. The huge cost involved forced London to
demand that a faster way be found to "cleanse" detainees of their oaths.
John Nottingham, a district officer in the colonial service from 1952 to
1961, explains, "The way that it found was that if you beat them up enough
then they would confess an oath. So what you do is beat them up and then
you give them a bit of paper and a piece of blunt pencil and say,
'Confess! I took it! I took it! I took it!' You are now a human being
again."
In the programme, John Cowan, Senior Superintendent of Prisons in Kenya
from 1957 to 1963, calmly explains the rationale behind one of the most
brutal episodes in the war against the LFA - the Hola Massacre. "I think
that Christianity had been tried and hadn't succeeded with them. And they
needed a sort of moral compulsion ... to confess their oaths. In one of my
camps there was a small faction of 'Mau Mau' detainees who were difficult.
There was a procedure implemented there, which was successful. We had to
coerce them into confessing. We used a little bit of force on them.... I
never saw a man, in all the time I was there, having had force used on him
in any worse condition than an amateur boxer getting out of a ring."
Cowan's method proved effective and he was asked to write a report on how
to deal with a group of hardcore detainees, held at the Hola Camp, who had
declared themselves political prisoners. With violence now enshrined as
official policy, Cowan outlined a scheme to make the Hola detainees submit
to authority. The first thing was to get them to obey work orders. He
explained that should the detainees not immediately "prove amenable to
work", then "they should be - in the phrase - 'manhandled' to the site of
work, and forced to carry out the task."
On 3 March 1959, 85 prisoners were marched out to a site and ordered to
work. One of the detainees, John Maina Kahihu, speaking with quiet dignity
described what happened: "We refused to do this work. We were fighting for
our freedom. We were not slaves.
"There were two hundred guards. One hundred seventy stood around us with
machine guns. Thirty guards were inside the trench with us. The white man
in charge blew his whistle and the guards started beating us. They beat us
from 8 am to 11.30. They were beating us like dogs. I was covered by other
bodies - just my arms and legs were exposed. I was very lucky to survive.
But the others were still being beaten. There was no escape for them."
Afterwards 11 men lay dead and 60 were seriously injured. The prison
officials attempted a cover-up by claiming that the men had died from
drinking contaminated water. But the story found its way back to London
and the truth could not be suppressed.
Cowan's remarks, looking back on those terrible events, are chilling. "I
didn't feel guilty, I don't think. I don't think that's quite the word....
I felt extremely sorry that it had gone wrong, but not actually guilty."
When reports of the massacre reached Britain there was political uproar.
Suddenly it was the British authorities that were exposed as brutal thugs.
Within weeks, London closed the Kenyan camps and released the detainees.
The Mau Mau oaths, which had dominated the crisis, suddenly became
irrelevant.
In 1960 the state of emergency was lifted. The LFA death toll during the
emergency was 11,500, of whom around 1,000 were hanged. Eighty thousand
Kikuyu were imprisoned in concentration camps. One hundred and fifty
thousand Africans, mostly Kikuyu, lost their lives, with many dying of
disease and starvation in the "protected villages". On the other side, the
KFA killed around 2,000 people, including 32 European civilians and 63
members of the security forces.
In 1961 Jomo Kenyatta was freed from jail and in 1963, four years after
the Hola massacre, Kenya was granted independence.
The film ended with LFA fighters, in tribal dress, entering the arena
where the independence celebrations were being held. The commentary tells
us that they are "die-hard 'Mau Mau' who had always vowed to stay in the
forest until the day Kenya was free."
The implication was that their freedom had finally arrived. One has to
look to the programme's web site to read that "most of these same men and
women who had fought for 'Mau Mau' gained little benefit. In the newly
independent Kenya, they were excluded from public life and preferment, the
spoils of independence going to the wealthy and educated Africans who had
a vested interest in marginalising them. A black elite simply replaced the
white one."
Kenya was not alone in achieving political independence. In 1960 Prime
Minister Harold Macmillan, in his "wind of change" speech, recognised the
necessity for Britain to find a new form of rule in its colonial
possessions in Africa.
In Kenya political control was passed into Kenyatta's "safe pair of hands"
and the European settler farmers found that they were more prosperous
after independence than they were before.
Of the many striking images in the documentary, the most memorable is that
of John Cowan, sitting in his comfortable sitting room enjoying his
retirement. He exemplifies the propensity of the British ruling class for
extreme violence when its interests are threatened.
See Also: Channel Four's Secret History web site (click on "The Series" to
locate the Mau Mau segment):
http://www.channel4.com/nextstep/secret_history/
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Subject: Could all these have been avoided?
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This is from the Daily Observer's Sept 20 issue.=20
I hope the responsible authorities (perhaps the National Assembly) =
would order an independent investigation to determine HOW and WHY a =
foreign investor could, in only a few years become such a national =
problem.
Malanding Jaiteh
Missing parts delay Air Dabia plane sale
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The sheriff's division of the High Court has abruptly suspended the =
sale of two Air Dabia planes as some parts of the aircraft were reported =
missing, highly placed sources told Daily Observer.
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The two aircraft were attached recently by the High Court following =
Air Dabia's failure to pay $800,000 to its former employees. Sources =
close to the judiciary told Daily Observer that some officials of the =
sheriff's division last week went to the airport and inspected the =
aircraft but were told that some parts of the aircraft were missing.=20
"We are not sure whether the items were removed before we attached =
the aircraft," said a court official.=20
A source at the sheriff's division had written to the management =
of Air Dabia to immediately return the missing parts.=20
"We will institute legal action against you if you fail to return =
the parts of the aircraft," the letter addressed to the Air Dabia =
company stated.=20
An official of Air Dabia has written to the sheriff's division =
informing them that the items were removed before the court order.=20
"We would like to inform you that the said accessories have been =
taken out to avoid them being exposed. This exercise is done and =
authorised in the aeronautic system," said a letter dated September 16 =
addressed to the sheriff.=20
An official of the sheriff's division however said, "we are going =
ahead with the sales."
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Court=20
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employees.=20
Sources close to the judiciary told Daily Observer that some =
officials of=20
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missing.</FONT>=20
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the aircraft," said a court official.=20
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to the=20
management of Air Dabia to immediately return the missing parts.=20
<P align=3Djustify>"We will institute legal action against you if =
you fail=20
to return the parts of the aircraft," the letter addressed to the =
Air=20
Dabia company stated.=20
<P align=3Djustify>An official of Air Dabia has written to the =
sheriff's=20
division informing them that the items were removed before the =
court=20
order.=20
<P align=3Djustify>"We would like to inform you that the said =
accessories=20
have been taken out to avoid them being exposed. This exercise is =
done and=20
authorised in the aeronautic system," said a letter dated =
September 16=20
addressed to the sheriff.=20
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said, "we=20
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Around March I saw adverts from Gamtel advertising a new type of calling
card, available from June/July 99. Well inquiries made at Gamtel in August
produced blank looks, so I am appealing to GL members in The Gambia for
info.
Are these cards now available, and can they be used from any private or
public phone? In particular can they be used to make an international call
from The Gambia on a non-international line phone? How much do they cost,
and where in the great Gamtel empire does one obtain them?
Many thanks in advance to anybody who can help.
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Subject: USEFUL LATIN EXPRESSIONS
Scid quod dicunt You know what they say
Uno viso omnia visa sunt Seen one, seen them all
Stercorem pro cerebro habes You have shit for brains
Podex perfectus es Your are a total asshole
Tempus meum tero I'm wasting my time
Uxor mea me necabit My wife will kill me
Lege atque lacrima Read, em and weep
Obesa cantavit The fat lady has sung
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosphiam totam suffodiant
May faulty logic undermine your entire philosophy
Perscriptio in manibus tabellariorum est The cheque is in the post
Est mihi nullus nummus superfluus I do not have any spare change
Re vera, cara mea, mea nil refert Frankly my dear I don't give a damn
Tibi gratias agimus quod nihil fumas Thank you for not smoking
Caput tuum in ano est Your have your head up your ass
Oportet ministros manus lavare antequam latrinam relinquent
Employees must wash their hands before leaving the restroom
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mehi redde nummos meos!
You infernal machine! Give me a beverage or give me my money
back!
Pass 'em on!
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Flight Info
Departing Terminal: This World
Arriving Terminal: The Hereafter
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knows in what land he will die
Arrival Time: And the stupor of death will come in truth "This is what
you have been avoiding!"
Accompanying Party: Children, Wives, Family, Friends, and others are NOT
allowed.
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Passengers are advised to follow the orders given in Allah's Book and The
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2-Constant remembrance of Death
3-Realizing that there is only Heaven and Hellfire on the Last Day
4-Knowledge benefited from
5-Your food, drink, and money should be Halal
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Wa alaikum salaam warahmatulaah wa barakatuhu Jabou
Ameeeeeeeeeeen!!!! Alhamdulillah, The One Who said 'Yaa ayu hannaasu itaqu
rabbakum inna zalzalata sa'atu shay'un adheem' (O' mankind fear your lord,
for the earthquake of the Hour is a very serious thing').
My dear sister Jabou and fellow G-lers, I am doing fine along with the other
students Alasan Bah (gambia), Mbaye Ndiaye and Salif Coly (Senegal). Our
dorm has been shaking 'all night long' after the killer quake and the last
after shock happened when we were in the middle of sujjuud at Fajr this
morning. Allahu Akbar. Lahawla wa laquwwata illa billah.
Fortunately for us we are far removed from the epicenter of the quake (which
is in Nantou), but nonetheless it was scary last night. What a coincidence,
just a day after I posted the article on earthquakes. We went to class this
morning but right now students are glued to the TV watching the rescue
efforts as the death toll continues to rise- now approx. 500.
Interestingly enough I slept through the major one and only woke up for Fajr
to experience the after shocks. We need your prayers since there are still
warnings especially of Sunamis (giant waves) crashing from the ocean. May
Allah make it easy.
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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> Assalaamu alaikum Modou,
>
> l heard about the earthquake, and worried about you. Please let us hear
from
> you. Inshallah, Allah is great, and he is indeed warning us. Thank you for
> the article you forwarded from the Sheikh. Indeed, those who heed Allah's
> warnings will pay attention. May Allah guide and protect us.
>
> Wassalaam,
> Sister Jabou Joh
>
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Assalaamu alaikum Modou,
Alhamdullah, you and the other students are fine, and inshallah the fact that
the tremors were felt by you guys as you did your Fajr prayers is a blessing.
l heard another report this morning that there was a second quake. l pray
that everything is fine inshallah, and we will continue to remember you guys
in our humble du'aa, and ask that you remember us in yours. Again, May Allah
(SWT) protect and guide us. Ameen.
Sister Jabou Joh
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<< Wa alaikum salaam warahmatulaah wa barakatuhu Jabou
Ameeeeeeeeeeen!!!! Alhamdulillah, The One Who said 'Yaa ayu hannaasu itaqu
rabbakum inna zalzalata sa'atu shay'un adheem' (O' mankind fear your lord,
for the earthquake of the Hour is a very serious thing').
My dear sister Jabou and fellow G-lers, I am doing fine along with the other
students Alasan Bah (gambia), Mbaye Ndiaye and Salif Coly (Senegal). Our
dorm has been shaking 'all night long' after the killer quake and the last
after shock happened when we were in the middle of sujjuud at Fajr this
morning. Allahu Akbar. Lahawla wa laquwwata illa billah.
Fortunately for us we are far removed from the epicenter of the quake (which
is in Nantou), but nonetheless it was scary last night. What a coincidence,
just a day after I posted the article on earthquakes. We went to class this
morning but right now students are glued to the TV watching the rescue
efforts as the death toll continues to rise- now approx. 500.
Interestingly enough I slept through the major one and only woke up for Fajr
to experience the after shocks. We need your prayers since there are still
warnings especially of Sunamis (giant waves) crashing from the ocean. May
Allah make it easy.
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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Folks,
Sources have informed me of a special reception to be held in honor of the
Prez during his visit to DC. A 'top secret' list of Gambians in the area
who are deemed 'safe' or 'soft' on Jammeh have been invited to attend.
Perhaps those who have not been invited but want to meet the President of
ALL Gambians might consider 'crashing' this event. (smile!)
Also you may want to attend the meeting at the Rainbow Coalition with Jesse
Jackson, or perhaps catch up with him at Randall Robinson's TransAfrica or
at the State Dept., or perhaps a tete-a-tete at his residence at ...
Afterall, a President who cannot meet with his own people speaks volumes of
his presidency.
What would have been wrong with having a forum that is well moderated in
which all Gambians (as opposed to a chosen few) are given the opportunity to
hear what the President has to say and pose some questions to him also.
The jittery behavior of those coordinating his visit as demonstrated by the
silence of the Embassy for example, and the screening of members of the
community, demonstrate the distrust folks in this government seem to have
with the application of democracy. They should not be surprised though if
those considered 'safe' or 'soft' turn out to be the ones with the thorny
questions for H.E.
Oh well, I for one wish them all well. I already had plans to attend my
cousin's wedding in Atlanta. So sunshine city, here I come!
Long Live Democracy! Long Live Openess!
Latjor
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Asalaam Alaikum,
subhan Allah, i did not know that some of our own were that close
to the quakes. A general prayer for all those affected and those
suffering, but a special
prayer for those who we know is definitely warranted. May Allah keep you
all safe and in constant remembrance of Him. May He send His Peace,
Blessings and Comfort to keep your hearts at rest and on the sirat al
mustaqeen. Ameen.
Wassalaam
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Hi Musa,
It is always a pleasure to hear from former class mates. I
concur with you that we should look at the bigger
senegambia picture. I hope that our politicians will come
to the realisation that there is strength in unity.
regards to you family.
Basil
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> In a message dated 99-09-19 13:05:20 EDT, you write:
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> <<
> I believe that if the Gambia is to enter into any form of
> union with Senegal the economic benefits should outweigh
> the cost. With hindsight one can ask what has the
> senegambia confederation from 1981-1989 contributed to the
> development of the Gambia. Has there been any economic
> benefits for the nation, apart from the privilege few who
> used to jet off to Senegal as confederal parliamentarians and
> ministers with their enhanced allowances. >>
>
> Basil:
> It is good to hear from you , once again raising the important issues on the
> L. You have been missed. To your above point, it is interesting that you are
> only asking whether the confederation contributed to the development of The
> Gambia, and one would asked did it enhanced the economic development of
> Senegal either. The 1981 confederation should never be seen as a reason not
> to pursue economic union with Senegal. It is fair to say that there has never
> been any serious attempt by neither countries to look into the impact of
> some sort of joint economic reunion. Also it is important to realize that the
> question is not what it will do for Gambia, but what it would do to the
> economy of the Senegambian region. Lastly, our present situation has failed
> the entire Senegambian region, and how much of a risk would it be to try
> something new.
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Hello Dr. Saine,
In response to your enquiry, my research area is on
economic integration in west africa (ecowas), more
specifcally i am specializing on growth, convergence and
exchange rate misalignment in west africa.
I am also actively looking for collaborators in this
field, which is very hard to come by. I am always ready to
listen and learn from mentors like you. Don't hesitiate to
send me a private mail anytime.
In 1993, I was in colarado and Clarke Bajo (Governor,
central bank) mentioned your mane to me. Unfortunately,
your younger brother told me that you were in Seattle. The
Governor has high regards for you and you have amply
demonstrated your interlectual prowess on the list. We need
role models like you.
Thanks for your interest and encouragement.
Basil
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> Dear Mr. Jones:
> Thank you for your response to my questions. It appears that many who
> responded to my questions would rather have things as they are, but with
> some form of partnership. I am interested to know what kind of research
> you are working on. I have always had strong interest in Integration
> schemes, even though my own research does not address this directly. Let
> me know what you are doing and let us exchange ideas on what we do.
> Take care.
>
> Abdoulaye
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Dear Gambia-L Friends,
I was recently told about your list; it looks like there is quite a vibrant
virtual community here! Wow!
I am going to Kartong, Kombo South to do doctoral research (I'm a Cultural
Anthropologist) on the various connections that link Kartong regionally and
internationally. When I was there two years ago, someone said that there
were at least twenty people from Kartong studying in universities or working
abroad. I'm hoping that some of you are on this network -- a friend
mentioned Mbaye Modou Jabang who lives in Malaysia.
So, if you are from Kartong, please say "hello", or if you have friends from
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PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU
> > > > CAN!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are quickly approaching the 21st Century
> > > > and I was wondering if
> > > > > > > anyone out there knew what the significance
> > > > of the year 2007 is
> > > > > > > to Black America? Did you know that our
> > > > right to vote will expire
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > in the year 2007? Seriously! The Voters
> > > > Rights Act signed in
> > > > > > > 1965 by Lyndon B. Johnson was just an ACT.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It was not made a law. In 1982 Ronald Reagan
> > > > amended the Voters
> > > > > > > Rights Act for only another 25 years. Which
> > > > means that in the
> > > > > > > year 2007 we could lose the right to vote!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does anyone realize that Blacks/African
> > > > Americans are the only
> > > > > > > group of people who require PERMISSION under
> > > > the United States
> > > > > > > Constitution to vote?!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the year 2007 Congress will once again
> > > > convene to decide
> > > > > > > whether or not Blacks should retain the right
> > > > to vote (crazy, but
> > > > > > > true). In order for this to be passed, 38
> > > > states will have to
> > > > > > > approve an extension.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In my opinion and many others, this is
> > > > ludicrous! Not only
> > > > > > > should the extension be approved, but the Act
> > > > must be made a law.
> > > > > > > Our right to vote should no longer be up for
> > > > discussion, review
> > > > > > > and/or evaluation. We must contact our
> > > > Congress persons, Senators,
> > > > > > > Alderpersons, etc., to put a stop to this! As
> > > > bona fide citizens
> > > > > > > of the United States, we cannot "drop the
> > > > ball" on this one! We
> > > > > > > have come too far to let government make us
> > > > take such a huge step
> > > > > > > backward. So please, let us push forward to
> > > > continue to build the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > momentum towards gaining equality. Please
> > > > pass this onto others,
> > > > > > > as I am sure that many more individuals are
> > > > not aware of this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I urge all of you that are able, to contact
> > > > those in government
> > > > > > > that have your vote on this issue. To send
> > > > Internet mail
> > > > > > > directly to the President of the United
> > > > States, the address is:
> > > > > > >
> > > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/Mail/html/MailPresident.html
> > > > <http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/Mail/html/MailPresident.html>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The address for the Vice President is:
> > > > > > >
> > > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/Mail/html/MailvicePresident.html
> > > > <http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/Mail/html/MailvicePresident.html>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To send a regular e-mail (like this one) to
> > > > the President, please
> > > > > > > address it: [log in to unmask]
> > > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> OR
> > > > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Write your Congressman, Write your president,
> > > > write somebody!
> > > > > > > THIS IS NOT A JOKE. It can actually happen.
> > > > Let's work together
> > > > > > > to continue to strive towards equality for
> > > > all Blacks/African
> > > > > > > Americans. Once again, we need to have our
> > > > voices heard in mass.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > By now, you must all have heard of the brutal
> > > > lynching of James
> > > > > > > Byrd Jr. on June 7th in the town of Jasper,
> > > > Texas. Because of
> > > > > > > very limited media coverage, you may or may
> > > > not be aware that similar
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > crimes have occurred recently in places as
> > > > close to us as Virginia,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > that since this lynching, two "copy-cat"
> > > > crimes have already taken
> > > > > > > place as if to start a trend.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you've been listening to the "Tom Joyner
> > > > Morning Show" that
> > > > > > > comes across the radio airways every morning
> > > > (6:00 -10:00 am) on
> > > > > > > WHUR (96.3 FM) which comes out of Howard
> > > > University, you may be
> > > > > > > aware of recent commentaries by BetTalk host
> > > > Tavis Smiley.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He has provided information about the "Hate
> > > > Crimes Prevention Act
> > > > > > > of 1998" which is yet to come before
> > > > Congress, and about how to
> > > > > > > contact the chairperson in charge of that
> > > > committee.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The contact name & number are as follows:
> > > > > > > Senator Orin Hatch
> > > > > > > (W) 202-224-5225/5251
> > > > > > > (FAX) 202-224-9102
> > > > > > > (email) [log in to unmask]
> > > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I myself already made that call this morning
> > > > to voice my opinion
> > > > > > > about the incident and to impress upon his
> > > > office that it is
> > > > > > > imperative to hasten the passage of this
> > > > particular bill. I urge
> > > > > > > each and everyone of you to do the same in
> > > > memory of JAMES
> > > > > > > BYRD, Jr., whose only crime was the color of
> > > > his skin. It took only
> > > > > > > a minute of my time, and the only information
> > > > they require is the
> > > > > > > state that you're calling from.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MAKE THIS CALL AND PASS THIS INFORMATION ON.
> > > > > > > It is our constitutional right and our moral
> > > > obligation to make
> > > > > > > this call a top priority and to pass this
> > > > information to at least
> > > > > > > 20 other people. If we each do this
> > > > electronically, we would have
> > > > > > > reached at least 400 people within a matter
> > > > of a couple of
> > > > > > > minutes. Write the information down and pass
> > > > it on to those
> > > > > > > without email access.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE! It is important
> > > > that you contact the
> > > > > > > congressional representatives for your state
> > > > on each of these
> > > > > > > issues.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can find the e-mail addresses for the
> > > > U.S. Congress on the
> > > > > > > following web site:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1411/index.html
> > > > <http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1411/index.html>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jacqueline (HSD/Spec. Educ. Dept.#401/ERAC)
> > > > > > > 15675 Ambaum Blvd SW
> > > > > > > Burien, WA 98166
> > > > > > > (206) 433-2557Subject:
> > > > > > > Blacks Right to Vote
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> >
> >Life is an experience that should be savored not . . . devoured
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Asalaamu alaikum Gambia-L,
Alhamdulillah and on behalf of the SeneGambian community here and our
generous hosts in Pingtung, Taiwan, I am praying that Allah reward all those
who have sent prayers and notes of concern in the aftermath of the
devastating quake.
We say jaraama to Sisters Jabou Joh and Yai-Fatou Bala-Gaye, brothers
Abdoulaye Saine, 'suma mag' Katim Touray, Pa Ousman Jarjou, 'kotokay' Modou
Sagnia and Joe Ndiaye. Please keep remembering us in your prayers for there
are aftershock warnings throughout the next two weeks and some of those can
be deadly.
The earth quake is one of the biggest to hit Taiwan; about 7.6 on the
Richter scale. It has a similar magnitude with the Turkish quake. The death
toll is still rising (currently at approx. 1750). I don't know how many
Glers ever experienced a seismic activity of this magnitude, but to say the
least, it is scary. Can you imagine the shaking of a match box? Well that is
how this massive concrete buildings we live in feel when the earth shook.
Subhanallah. I am at a lost for words.
There were numerous aftershocks and the biggest of them happened at around
8: 20 am today recorded at 6.8 on the Richter scale. Indeed, your prayers
are answered since all of us are alive and well. My research was supposed to
be conducted around the epicenter because of the similarity of soil
conditions with the Gambia, but luckily cancelled, Alhamdulillah. I just
returned from visiting my tomato field and all is well. Jerejef to all of
you once again.
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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> Assalaamu alaikum Modou,
>
> Alhamdullah, you and the other students are fine, and inshallah the fact
that
> the tremors were felt by you guys as you did your Fajr prayers is a
blessing.
> l heard another report this morning that there was a second quake. l pray
> that everything is fine inshallah, and we will continue to remember you
guys
> in our humble du'aa, and ask that you remember us in yours. Again, May
Allah
> (SWT) protect and guide us. Ameen.
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FANKANTA IN IRAN
Recently I was watching a programme on the BBC concerning the use of
contraceptive for birth control.To be very frank I never expected that s=
uch
things will happen in Iran after the debate in this forum were our people=
were
out arguing that it is UN-Islamic and that Imam Fatty was doing what is
expecting of him by Allah ,to condemn the Fankanta programme at home.This=
programme only confirms my point that there is a lot of religious hypocr=
isy
going on in our country.
When Ayatola came to power in Iran,he reduced the marriage age of girls t=
o 9
years.This is to say that girls at the age of 9 years could legally get
married.Such a horrible thing did not only deny millions of Iranian girls=
the
joys of childhood but also opens up for population explosion in Iran.It w=
as
very clear that Ayatola was thinking more of producing child soldiers who=
will
fight his so-called Islamic course than to give Iran children a better
childhood.Now among other things,the effect of such a policy is affecting=
seriously life in Iran,poverty is growing in accordance with the populati=
on
growth.I kept wondering were is the Allah that Imam Fatty said will feed =
every
mouths HE created,this Allah must be very different from the Allah that t=
he
Iranians are worshiping.Through out this programme one finds out that Ira=
nian
are accepting the fact that less children better opportunity to feed and
educate them and provide a better health service for the Family.Today a =
factory in Iran is producing 35 million condoms yearly.Girls are learning=
different ways of applying preventions and even men are being sterilize.=
It
was indeed interesting to see that some of the sessions are held in Mosqu=
es
after prayers.Women are expressing the desire of getting better education=
before getting married or start a family.Perhaps Iranians are no longer
Muslims !!
It is important for us to use our common senses,Allah will never come dow=
n on
earth to tell us how to live our life,but it is easy to be on earth and c=
laim
representing Allah,that is way it will never be surprising to hear people=
claiming that the Earthquake is a warning from Allah,when this horrible
disasters are happening and affecting the life of people who believe in =
Allah
more than anybody else.It was a common saying in the Gambia that must of =
the
people who claim representing Allah will never see them selves through th=
e
gates of heaven,because they are false.
For Freedom
Saiks
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PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU
> > > > CAN!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are quickly approaching the 21st Century
> > > > and I was wondering if
> > > > > > > anyone out there knew what the significance
> > > > of the year 2007 is
> > > > > > > to Black America? Did you know that our
> > > > right to vote will expire
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > in the year 2007? Seriously! The Voters
> > > > Rights Act signed in
> > > > > > > 1965 by Lyndon B. Johnson was just an ACT.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It was not made a law. In 1982 Ronald Reagan
> > > > amended the Voters
> > > > > > > Rights Act for only another 25 years. Which
> > > > means that in the
> > > > > > > year 2007 we could lose the right to vote!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does anyone realize that Blacks/African
> > > > Americans are the only
> > > > > > > group of people who require PERMISSION under
> > > > the United States
> > > > > > > Constitution to vote?!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the year 2007 Congress will once again
> > > > convene to decide
> > > > > > > whether or not Blacks should retain the right
> > > > to vote (crazy, but
> > > > > > > true). In order for this to be passed, 38
> > > > states will have to
> > > > > > > approve an extension.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In my opinion and many others, this is
> > > > ludicrous! Not only
> > > > > > > should the extension be approved, but the Act
> > > > must be made a law.
> > > > > > > Our right to vote should no longer be up for
> > > > discussion, review
> > > > > > > and/or evaluation. We must contact our
> > > > Congress persons, Senators,
> > > > > > > Alderpersons, etc., to put a stop to this! As
> > > > bona fide citizens
> > > > > > > of the United States, we cannot "drop the
> > > > ball" on this one! We
> > > > > > > have come too far to let government make us
> > > > take such a huge step
> > > > > > > backward. So please, let us push forward to
> > > > continue to build the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > momentum towards gaining equality. Please
> > > > pass this onto others,
> > > > > > > as I am sure that many more individuals are
> > > > not aware of this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I urge all of you that are able, to contact
> > > > those in government
> > > > > > > that have your vote on this issue. To send
> > > > Internet mail
> > > > > > > directly to the President of the United
> > > > States, the address is:
> > > > > > >
> > > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/Mail/html/MailPresident.html
> > > > <http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/Mail/html/MailPresident.html>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The address for the Vice President is:
> > > > > > >
> > > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/Mail/html/MailvicePresident.html
> > > > <http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/Mail/html/MailvicePresident.html>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To send a regular e-mail (like this one) to
> > > > the President, please
> > > > > > > address it: [log in to unmask]
> > > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> OR
> > > > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Write your Congressman, Write your president,
> > > > write somebody!
> > > > > > > THIS IS NOT A JOKE. It can actually happen.
> > > > Let's work together
> > > > > > > to continue to strive towards equality for
> > > > all Blacks/African
> > > > > > > Americans. Once again, we need to have our
> > > > voices heard in mass.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > By now, you must all have heard of the brutal
> > > > lynching of James
> > > > > > > Byrd Jr. on June 7th in the town of Jasper,
> > > > Texas. Because of
> > > > > > > very limited media coverage, you may or may
> > > > not be aware that similar
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > crimes have occurred recently in places as
> > > > close to us as Virginia,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > that since this lynching, two "copy-cat"
> > > > crimes have already taken
> > > > > > > place as if to start a trend.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you've been listening to the "Tom Joyner
> > > > Morning Show" that
> > > > > > > comes across the radio airways every morning
> > > > (6:00 -10:00 am) on
> > > > > > > WHUR (96.3 FM) which comes out of Howard
> > > > University, you may be
> > > > > > > aware of recent commentaries by BetTalk host
> > > > Tavis Smiley.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He has provided information about the "Hate
> > > > Crimes Prevention Act
> > > > > > > of 1998" which is yet to come before
> > > > Congress, and about how to
> > > > > > > contact the chairperson in charge of that
> > > > committee.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The contact name & number are as follows:
> > > > > > > Senator Orin Hatch
> > > > > > > (W) 202-224-5225/5251
> > > > > > > (FAX) 202-224-9102
> > > > > > > (email) [log in to unmask]
> > > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I myself already made that call this morning
> > > > to voice my opinion
> > > > > > > about the incident and to impress upon his
> > > > office that it is
> > > > > > > imperative to hasten the passage of this
> > > > particular bill. I urge
> > > > > > > each and everyone of you to do the same in
> > > > memory of JAMES
> > > > > > > BYRD, Jr., whose only crime was the color of
> > > > his skin. It took only
> > > > > > > a minute of my time, and the only information
> > > > they require is the
> > > > > > > state that you're calling from.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MAKE THIS CALL AND PASS THIS INFORMATION ON.
> > > > > > > It is our constitutional right and our moral
> > > > obligation to make
> > > > > > > this call a top priority and to pass this
> > > > information to at least
> > > > > > > 20 other people. If we each do this
> > > > electronically, we would have
> > > > > > > reached at least 400 people within a matter
> > > > of a couple of
> > > > > > > minutes. Write the information down and pass
> > > > it on to those
> > > > > > > without email access.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE! It is important
> > > > that you contact the
> > > > > > > congressional representatives for your state
> > > > on each of these
> > > > > > > issues.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can find the e-mail addresses for the
> > > > U.S. Congress on the
> > > > > > > following web site:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1411/index.html
> > > > <http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1411/index.html>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jacqueline (HSD/Spec. Educ. Dept.#401/ERAC)
> > > > > > > 15675 Ambaum Blvd SW
> > > > > > > Burien, WA 98166
> > > > > > > (206) 433-2557Subject:
> > > > > > > Blacks Right to Vote
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> >
> >Life is an experience that should be savored not . . . devoured
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Hi
Sorry I am not from Kartong but a close friend of mine is. Though he not on
GambiaL yet but he is on line. His name is Lamin Jaiteh and his email address
is as [log in to unmask] Where do you live? We are in Atlanta and I do still
Know some Kartong guys who live in Wisconsin.
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ASSALAMU ALAI KUM WARAHMATULAI WABARAKATU.
YA-MUHAMADOU LAMIN (MODOU) MBYE JABANG.
I may need to apologize for not being consistent in keeping in touch at all
times. Sorry to hear about the earth quake. I do have the faith that Allah
Subhannah Watallah will shower His blessing and mercy on to those who
remember Him at all times. I was really socked to hear this news this morning
for I do not have time to view my mails these days.
Remember that I will and seek for more prayers for all affected and I hope
everything is OK with you and all friends etc.
Again I will surely try to maintain the contact.
Till then
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HI
Dont just stop at that,make sure that you have as many people as possible=
to
get to the place and tell the president that we are concern with the situ=
ation
at home.We should not allow him to hear only the voices of the chosen
ones.There are no NIA or july 22 movement down there,sure you will be sa=
ve.
For Freedom
Saiks
Folks,
Sources have informed me of a special reception to be held in honor of th=
e
Prez during his visit to DC. A 'top secret' list of Gambians in the area=
who are deemed 'safe' or 'soft' on Jammeh have been invited to attend.
Perhaps those who have not been invited but want to meet the President of=
ALL Gambians might consider 'crashing' this event. (smile!)
Also you may want to attend the meeting at the Rainbow Coalition with Jes=
se
Jackson, or perhaps catch up with him at Randall Robinson's TransAfrica o=
r
at the State Dept., or perhaps a tete-a-tete at his residence at ...
Afterall, a President who cannot meet with his own people speaks volumes =
of
his presidency.
What would have been wrong with having a forum that is well moderated in
which all Gambians (as opposed to a chosen few) are given the opportunity=
to
hear what the President has to say and pose some questions to him also.
The jittery behavior of those coordinating his visit as demonstrated by t=
he
silence of the Embassy for example, and the screening of members of the
community, demonstrate the distrust folks in this government seem to have=
with the application of democracy. They should not be surprised though if=
those considered 'safe' or 'soft' turn out to be the ones with the thorny=
questions for H.E.
Oh well, I for one wish them all well. I already had plans to attend my
cousin's wedding in Atlanta. So sunshine city, here I come!
Long Live Democracy! Long Live Openess!
Latjor
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Saiks,
I read you piece on the above with keen interest. It seems it is only =
misinformed clowns like our fundamentalist friend ( Jammeh's State House =
Imam) Fatty who fail to see the need for birth controll. The piece below =
is from the Monday 20/09/99 issue of '7 Days in The Gambia' on =
GambiaNet. May be somebody should provide Fatty and his like with =
statistic that show how many children go unfed daily or die from =
preventable diseases anually due to povery.
Ah! but then our 'erudite' Imam will seaf through the pages of the Holy =
Quaran and by some 'devine' acrobatics prove that you are indeed an =
enemy of Islam and by extension, the Gambian people, since he is =
convinced that The Gambia is vertually an Islamic State, according to =
him.
Take Care!
Kabir.
"GAMBIAN POPULATION GROWTH IS ALARMING" =96 VICE PRESIDENT NJIE SAIDY
The vice president and secretary of state for health, social welfare and =
women affairs, Isatou Njie-Saidy has revealed that the Gambia has a high =
growth rate of 4.2 percent; one of the highest in the world.=20
Mrs. Njie-Saidy made this revelation, during the opening of a 4-day =
workshop on the Gambia chapter of the Sahelian Network of Journalists on =
population and development which ended last Friday at the Independence =
stadium, Bakau.
She described the situation as alarming and frustrating government =
efforts in the provision of basic social services to the people. If the =
growth rate continues, warned the vice president, the Gambian population =
will double in 16 years from now.=20
The vice president also highlighted other government efforts on the =
implementation of population policies, and called on journalists who are =
the agents of change in the society to have a proper understanding of =
national population of the country for effective dissemination of =
population and development messages.
The workshop ended with a ten-point recommendations, urging the =
government to give journalists more access to official information to =
facilitate their work on population and development issues.
Also, the government and stakeholders in population and development were =
also requested to ensure the adoption and implementation of a national =
communication and implementation policy as soon as possible.
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<P><FONT size=3D3>Saiks,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D3>I read you piece on the above with keen interest. It =
seems it is=20
only misinformed clowns like our fundamentalist friend ( =
Jammeh's=20
State House Imam) Fatty who fail to see the need for birth controll. The =
piece=20
below is from the Monday 20/09/99 issue of '7 Days in The =
Gambia' on=20
GambiaNet. May be somebody should provide Fatty and his like with =
statistic that=20
show how many children go unfed daily or die from preventable diseases =
anually=20
due to povery.</FONT></P>
<P>Ah! but then our 'erudite' Imam will seaf through the pages of the =
Holy=20
Quaran and by some 'devine' acrobatics prove that you are indeed =
an enemy=20
of Islam and by extension, the Gambian people, since he is convinced =
that The=20
Gambia is vertually an Islamic State, according to him.</P>
<P>Take Care!</P>
<P><FONT size=3D3>Kabir.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><STRONG>"GAMBIAN POPULATION GROWTH IS =
ALARMING" =96=20
VICE PRESIDENT NJIE SAIDY</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P>The vice president and secretary of state for health, social welfare =
and=20
women affairs, Isatou Njie-Saidy has revealed that the Gambia has a high =
growth=20
rate of 4.2 percent; one of the highest in the world. </P>
<P>Mrs. Njie-Saidy made this revelation, during the opening of a 4-day =
workshop=20
on the Gambia chapter of the Sahelian Network of Journalists on =
population and=20
development which ended last Friday at the Independence stadium, =
Bakau.</P>
<P>She described the situation as alarming and frustrating government =
efforts in=20
the provision of basic social services to the people. If the growth rate =
continues, warned the vice president, the Gambian population will double =
in 16=20
years from now. </P>
<P>The vice president also highlighted other government efforts on the=20
implementation of population policies, and called on journalists who are =
the=20
agents of change in the society to have a proper understanding of =
national=20
population of the country for effective dissemination of population and=20
development messages.</P>
<P>The workshop ended with a ten-point recommendations, urging the =
government to=20
give journalists more access to official information to facilitate their =
work on=20
population and development issues.</P>
<P>Also, the government and stakeholders in population and development =
were also=20
requested to ensure the adoption and implementation of a national =
communication=20
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:20:14 -0400
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They are here Saiks, but that is no deterrent. Not that many people seem to
know where the venue is or the times of the meeting, though. Any info? I
don't know if there will be a meeting with TransAfrica - it will be a
dereliction of duty on their part if they meet with the Chief Thug in Charge
of the Brutality and the present day Poverty of our Gambian people.
There are no NIA or july 22 movement down there,sure you
will be save.
For Freedom
Saiks
Folks,
Sources have informed me of a special reception to be held
in honor of the
Prez during his visit to DC. A 'top secret' list of
Gambians in the area
who are deemed 'safe' or 'soft' on Jammeh have been invited
to attend.
Perhaps those who have not been invited but want to meet the
President of
ALL Gambians might consider 'crashing' this event. (smile!)
Also you may want to attend the meeting at the Rainbow
Coalition with Jesse
Jackson, or perhaps catch up with him at Randall Robinson's
TransAfrica or
at the State Dept., or perhaps a tete-a-tete at his
residence at ...
Afterall, a President who cannot meet with his own people
speaks volumes of
his presidency.
What would have been wrong with having a forum that is well
moderated in
which all Gambians (as opposed to a chosen few) are given
the opportunity to
hear what the President has to say and pose some questions
to him also.
The jittery behavior of those coordinating his visit as
demonstrated by the
silence of the Embassy for example, and the screening of
members of the
community, demonstrate the distrust folks in this government
seem to have
with the application of democracy. They should not be
surprised though if
those considered 'safe' or 'soft' turn out to be the ones
with the thorny
questions for H.E.
Oh well, I for one wish them all well. I already had plans
to attend my
cousin's wedding in Atlanta. So sunshine city, here I come!
Long Live Democracy! Long Live Openess!
Latjor
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Hello G-Lers
I enjoyed reading the postings with regards to African unity. I think that
it is a noble goal that Africans need to pursue with vigor. In recent
years, we have witnessed the formation of economic and political blocks
around the world (case in point NAFTA and EU).
Most proponents of continental unity put the cart before the horse. We
cannot achieve continental unity without strong regional cooperation.
Organizations such as ECOWAS, MAHGREB, and the East African common market
should be used as platforms for the formation of a strong and viable
continental body. A major obstacle to continental unity is the reluctance of
politicians to relinquish or surrender powers to a more centralize body.
ECOWAS has been in existence for quite a while, but it had a limited success
in integrating West Africa into a common market. This is mainly due to
member states not having a uniform policy to achieve goals set forth by the
organization. African unity will only be a reality when our political
leaders realize that they have to loose some power for a greater good.
The emerging trend of closer economic cooperation within countries of
Western Europe, North America and the Asia Pacific rim will force Africa to
forge unions or common markets. The bargaining power of individual states
will be diluted because most of our trading partners in Europe will
negotiate deals to benefit the European Union not individual countries.
Jere Jef,
Daddy Njie.
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Hello G-Lers
I enjoyed reading the postings with regards to African unity. I think that
it is a noble goal that Africans need to pursue with vigor. In recent
years, we have witnessed the formation of economic and political blocks
around the world (case in point NAFTA and EU).
Most proponents of continental unity put the cart before the horse. We
cannot achieve continental unity without strong regional cooperation.
Organizations such as ECOWAS, MAHGREB, and the East African common market
should be used as platforms for the formation of a strong and viable
continental body. A major obstacle to continental unity is the reluctance of
politicians to relinquish or surrender powers to a more centralize body.
ECOWAS has been in existence for quite a while, but they had a limited
success in integrating West Africa into a common market. This is mainly due
to member states not having a uniform policy to achieve goals set forth by
the organization. African unity will only be a reality when our political
leaders realize that they have to loose some power for a greater good.
The emerging trend of closer economic cooperation within countries of
Western Europe, North America and the Asia Pacific rim will force Africa to
forge unions or common markets. The bargaining power of individual states
will be diluted because most of our trading partners in Europe will
negotiate deals to benefit the European Union not individual countries.
Jere Jef,
Daddy Njie.
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Hi,
I am now through with the names etcI am resending these for a final
correction,I dont want to take the chance so please help to see if there =
are
any mistakes.
For freedom =
Saiks
=BE " ^
- - - - - - =
=
=
jaajef Saiks,
Another list of names, supplied by a friend of mine,
for inclusion on the list, apologies for any repeats
FEMALE NAMES
Allimatou
Ancha
Anta
Aram
Aret
Arookee
Ayi
Balankang
Banna
Bijilo
Boneh
Bori (M/F)
Bunnu (F/M)
Ceesayding
Coumba
Daggah
Danjang
Dawitt
Daado
Fama
Fanta
FaraFulatunk
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Galo
Gaye
Gegeh
Hajarta
Hamisowe
Horeja
Houdja
Houmou
Hoyaan
Huja
Huri
Jaboh
Jabou
Jaherr
Jajeh
Jalika
Jalnum
Jamba
Jamos
Jankay
Janun
Jaria
Jariatou
Jay (M/F)
Jogomai
Jogoy
Jojo
Joko
Jola
Jongfoolo
Jonkong
Jor
Jaaja
Kaba (M/F)
Kaddy
Kafa
Kanja
Kanjumblaank
Kassamanding
Kinti Sona
Kodou
Kunkung
Kurou
Kurou
Kuura
Kaani
Lobe
Lolong / Lolo
Madeghen
Mai
Majula
Mam Mberegaye
Mamandew
Mambisinnine
Manding (M/F)
Mankita
Mansata
Marget
Mayimba
Mbasey
Mbayam
Mbene
Mberi
Mbinga
Mbinkinding
Mbissine
Momkan
Musubanding
Musukoi
Musukoto
Musukuta
Maaluta
N`Bene
N`Diabou
N`Gat
Nano
Ndey
Ndingbo
Ndura
Nenegalleh
Ngilan
Ngoneh
Njaling
Njarra
Njemeh
Njonkoling
Nkey
Nogoy
Numbeh
Nyakasi
Nyanya
Nyima
Obaar
Olaye
Oli / Olimatta
Rabbi
Ruggie
Sanjani
Sanou
Saro
Satang
Sigga
Sirando
Sirreh
Soda
Sonna
Sora
Sukai
Sunkang
Tamara
Tano
Tasatou
Tida
Tombong (M/F)
Tuti
Yadikon
Yakay
Yama
Yandeh
AND THE MALE NAMES:
Abba
Alkalo
Allabato
Almami
Almamo
Amata
Appaye
Bairo
Balankang/Balangka
Balla
Bamara
Bamba
Banjuku
Bechou
Bolla
Booya
Bora
Bori (M/F)
Boto
Botor
Buka
Bulley
Bunnu
Buray
Bye
Chana
Cheboh / Chebo
Correa
Daraman
Dekory
Demba/Dembo
Duwa
Ebin
Eggeh
Ekku
Fabala
Fafanding
Fakebba
Falla
Fallou
Fanding
Fansaine
Fara
Faranding
Farimang
Filijay (M/F)
Findi
Foday
Folongko
Galo
Gondoi
Gorra
Hadim
Houn
Jabel
Jahu
Jalang
Jalima
Jatta
Jatto
Jemussu
Jerreh
Jewru
Jidere
Jung
Jungkunda
Junkung
Kajaly
Kalilu
Kanimang
Kanjura
Karafa (M/F)
Karamba
Karankallo
Karanlang
Karanta
Karrafa
Katim
Kawsu
Kaykoto
Kayluntang
Kayring
Kebba
Kebuteh
Kekoi
Kemesseng
Kemeta
Kemo
Kemoring/Kemoba
Kenbugut/Kenbugul
Ketabou
Kewuleng
Kitim/Kitimu
Koora
Koro
Kuto
Kutobo
Kutubo
Laity
Lalo
Landing/Lang
Latjor
Leemu
Lensa
Loloh
Lolong/Lolo
Madehgen
Madi
Madikeh
Majorr
Malal
Mamadi
Mamar
Mamburray
Mamo
Mamur
Manding (M/F)
Manlafy
Masamba
Massaneh
Mawdo
Mayekor
Mba
Mbarka
Melbourey
Melbourey
Melbourey
Moli
Mom
Momat
Momkan
Mot
Maamina
N`fally
N`famara
N`fansu
N`juga
Naibelle
Ndongo
Nduggu
Ngattan
Ngoja
Ngor
Njagga
Numu
Pateh
Pili
Rabbi
Saiarr
Saidou
Sainey (M/F)
Sait
Sajo (M/F)
Samaba
Samba
Sambou
Samory
Sanballa
Sanjally
Sanjani
Sanji
Sankung
Sanna (M/F)
Sawalo
Sayer
Seckka
Sengan
Sidia
Siman
Sirach
Sittafa
Suntu
Saangone
Tamba
Tamsir
Tano (M/F)
Tombong
Yanding
Yelee
Yeyehn
yeyeh
YobYugo
Highly depending on you
For Freedom =
Saiks
Tony
Nfansu (m)
Nfally (m)
Fansainey (m/f)
Jalicka (f)
Mususkoi (f)
Masata (f)
Jonkong (f)
Mariatu (f)
Jariatou (f)
Nyima (f)
Nyimanding (f)
Jonsoba (f)
Fatamina (f)
Fatunding (f)
Jankey (f)
Musubanding (f)
Satunding (f)
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:34:06 PDT
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saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi,
I am now through with the names etcI am resending these for a final
correction,I dont want to take the chance so please help to see if there =
are
any mistakes.
For freedom =
Saiks
=BE " ^
- - - - - - =
=
=
FEMALE NAMES
Allimatou
Ancha
Anta
Aram
Aret
Arookee
Ayi
Balankang
Banna
Bijilo
Boneh
Bori (M/F)
Bunnu (F/M)
Ceesayding
Coumba
Daggah
Danjang
Dawitt
Daado
Fama
Fanta
FaraFulatunk
=
Galo
Gaye
Gegeh
Hajarta
Hamisowe
Horeja
Houdja
Houmou
Hoyaan
Huja
Huri
Jaboh
Jabou
Jaherr
Jajeh
Jalika
Jalnum
Jamba
Jamos
Jankay
Janun
Jaria
Jariatou
Jay (M/F)
Jogomai
Jogoy
Jojo
Joko
Jola
Jongfoolo
Jonkong
Jor
Jaaja
Kaba (M/F)
Kaddy
Kafa
Kanja
Kanjumblaank
Kassamanding
Kinti Sona
Kodou
Kunkung
Kurou
Kurou
Kuura
Kaani
Lobe
Lolong / Lolo
Madeghen
Mai
Majula
Mam Mberegaye
Mamandew
Mambisinnine
Manding (M/F)
Mankita
Mansata
Marget
Mayimba
Mbasey
Mbayam
Mbene
Mberi
Mbinga
Mbinkinding
Mbissine
Momkan
Musubanding
Musukoi
Musukoto
Musukuta
Maaluta
N`Bene
N`Diabou
N`Gat
Nano
Ndey
Ndingbo
Ndura
Nenegalleh
Ngilan
Ngoneh
Njaling
Njarra
Njemeh
Njonkoling
Nkey
Nogoy
Numbeh
Nyakasi
Nyanya
Nyima
Obaar
Olaye
Oli / Olimatta
Rabbi
Ruggie
Sanjani
Sanou
Saro
Satang
Sigga
Sirando
Sirreh
Soda
Sonna
Sora
Sukai
Sunkang
Tamara
Tano
Tasatou
Tida
Tombong (M/F)
Tuti
Yadikon
Yakay
Yama
Yandeh
AND THE MALE NAMES:
Abba
Alkalo
Allabato
Almami
Almamo
Amata
Appaye
Bairo
Balankang/Balangka
Balla
Bamara
Bamba
Banjuku
Bechou
Bolla
Booya
Bora
Bori (M/F)
Boto
Botor
Buka
Bulley
Bunnu
Buray
Bye
Chana
Cheboh / Chebo
Correa
Daraman
Dekory
Demba/Dembo
Duwa
Ebin
Eggeh
Ekku
Fabala
Fafanding
Fakebba
Falla
Fallou
Fanding
Fansaine
Fara
Faranding
Farimang
Filijay (M/F)
Findi
Foday
Folongko
Galo
Gondoi
Gorra
Hadim
Houn
Jabel
Jahu
Jalang
Jalima
Jatta
Jatto
Jemussu
Jerreh
Jewru
Jidere
Jung
Jungkunda
Junkung
Kajaly
Kalilu
Kanimang
Kanjura
Karafa (M/F)
Karamba
Karankallo
Karanlang
Karanta
Karrafa
Katim
Kawsu
Kaykoto
Kayluntang
Kayring
Kebba
Kebuteh
Kekoi
Kemesseng
Kemeta
Kemo
Kemoring/Kemoba
Kenbugut/Kenbugul
Ketabou
Kewuleng
Kitim/Kitimu
Koora
Koro
Kuto
Kutobo
Kutubo
Laity
Lalo
Landing/Lang
Latjor
Leemu
Lensa
Loloh
Lolong/Lolo
Madehgen
Madi
Madikeh
Majorr
Malal
Mamadi
Mamar
Mamburray
Mamo
Mamur
Manding (M/F)
Manlafy
Masamba
Massaneh
Mawdo
Mayekor
Mba
Mbarka
Melbourey
Melbourey
Melbourey
Moli
Mom
Momat
Momkan
Mot
Maamina
N`fally
N`famara
N`fansu
N`juga
Naibelle
Ndongo
Nduggu
Ngattan
Ngoja
Ngor
Njagga
Numu
Pateh
Pili
Rabbi
Saiarr
Saidou
Sainey (M/F)
Sait
Sajo (M/F)
Samaba
Samba
Sambou
Samory
Sanballa
Sanjally
Sanjani
Sanji
Sankung
Sanna (M/F)
Sawalo
Sayer
Seckka
Sengan
Sidia
Siman
Sirach
Sittafa
Suntu
Saangone
Tamba
Tamsir
Tano (M/F)
Tombong
Yanding
Yelee
Yeyehn
yeyeh
YobYugo
Highly depending on you
For Freedom =
Saiks
Tony
Nfansu (m)
Nfally (m)
Fansainey (m/f)
Jalicka (f)
Mususkoi (f)
Masata (f)
Jonkong (f)
Mariatu (f)
Jariatou (f)
Nyima (f)
Nyimanding (f)
Jonsoba (f)
Fatamina (f)
Fatunding (f)
Jankey (f)
Musubanding (f)
Satunding (f)
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Global Population Hits Six Billion
Global Population Hits Six Billion
September 22, 1999=20
DAKAR, Senegal (PANA) - The world population will reach 6 billion, =
representing an increase of a billion people in just 12 years, the UN =
Population Fund says.
In its 'State of the World Population 1999' released Wednesday, the fund =
says global population has quadrupled this century, growing faster than =
at any time in previous history.
"How fast the next billion people are added, the effect on natural =
resources and the environment, and the quality of life will depend on =
policy and funding decisions taken in the next 5 to 10 years," it adds.
It says that at the beginning of the 20th century, the world's =
population was approximately 1.5 billion. It reached 2 billion in 1927, =
3 billion in 1960, billion, 4 billion in 1974, 5 billion in 1987 and to =
6 billion by 12 October 1999.
According to the fund, nearly half of the world population would be =
under 25 years of age.
The phenomenal population growth has largely been attributed to people =
living longer and healthier lives than ever before, the report says, =
adding that modern medicine and better living conditions have =
dramatically lowered he global death rate, especially for infants and =
children.=20
Since 1950, average life expectancy has risen from 46 to 66 years.=20
A growing majority of women and men have the information and means to =
make choices about the number and spacing of their children, it says.=20
However, there are still a billion people -- one person in six -- living =
in poverty.
Although the rate of population growth is slowing, due to falling birth =
rates, the absolute annual increase is still near its historic high of =
86 millions a decade ago because there are so many women and men of =
childbearing age, the report says.=20
Over 95 percent of growth is in developing countries, with the fastest =
growing regions being sub-Saharan Africa where the average woman has 5.5 =
children, and part of South Asia and western Asia.
On the other hand, population growth has slowed or stopped in Europe, =
North America and Japan. The United States is the only industrial =
country where large population increases are still projected, largely =
due to immigration.
The United Nations projects that world population will grow from 6 =
billion to between 7.3 and 10.7 billion by 2050, with 8.9 billion =
considered the most likely -- meaning world populations may grow almost =
as much in the next 50 years as in the past 50.=20
The report notes that population growth has begun to slow down mainly =
due to improved education and health care and increased access to family =
planning in Asia, Africa and Latin America, women are having fewer =
children, and families are smaller than ever before.=20
In developing countries overall, birth rates have dropped by half since =
1969, when the UN began its population fund, from almost six children =
per woman to under three presently.
However, the highest rates of growth are taking place in the poorest =
countries, those least prepared to provide basic services and jobs for =
growing numbers of young people.=20
The people and countries most affected are concentrated in Africa and =
South Asia, but there are some in every developing region. In 62 =
countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America, over 40 percent of the =
population in under age 15.=20
Africa, the world's most rapidly growing region, is also the youngest, =
with a median age of only 18. World-wide, over a billion people are =
between ages 15 and 24, the parents of the next generation, the report =
notes.
At the same time, HIV/AIDS is taking a heavier toll than had been =
anticipated by demographic experts, especially in sub-Saharan Africa, =
where it is the leading cause of death.=20
In many countries, it has erased decades of progress in reducing child =
mortality and increasing life expectancy.=20
In 29 African countries, the average life expectancy is now seven years =
less than it would have been without AIDS, the reports says, pointing =
out, however, that the population is not expected to decline in any of =
these countries because of continuing high birth rates.
It warns that unless governments commit further action and funding, the =
cumulative effects of continuing poverty, gender discrimination, new =
threats such as HIV/AIDS, environmental change and shrinking =
international resources for development could wipe our the benefits of =
lower fertility over the past generation, with global consequences.=20
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1960,=20
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living in=20
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<P>Although the rate of population growth is slowing, due to falling =
birth=20
rates, the absolute annual increase is still near its historic high of =
86=20
millions a decade ago because there are so many women and men of =
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<P>On the other hand, population growth has slowed or stopped in Europe, =
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most=20
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50 years=20
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due to=20
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planning in=20
Asia, Africa and Latin America, women are having fewer children, and =
families=20
are smaller than ever before.=20
<P>In developing countries overall, birth rates have dropped by half =
since 1969,=20
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woman to=20
under three presently.
<P>However, the highest rates of growth are taking place in the poorest=20
countries, those least prepared to provide basic services and jobs for =
growing=20
numbers of young people.=20
<P>The people and countries most affected are concentrated in Africa and =
South=20
Asia, but there are some in every developing region. In 62 countries in =
Africa,=20
Asia and Latin America, over 40 percent of the population in under age =
15.=20
<P>Africa, the world's most rapidly growing region, is also the =
youngest, with a=20
median age of only 18. World-wide, over a billion people are between =
ages 15 and=20
24, the parents of the next generation, the report notes.
<P>At the same time, HIV/AIDS is taking a heavier toll than had been =
anticipated=20
by demographic experts, especially in sub-Saharan Africa, where it is =
the=20
leading cause of death.=20
<P>In many countries, it has erased decades of progress in reducing =
child=20
mortality and increasing life expectancy.=20
<P>In 29 African countries, the average life expectancy is now seven =
years less=20
than it would have been without AIDS, the reports says, pointing out, =
however,=20
that the population is not expected to decline in any of these countries =
because=20
of continuing high birth rates.
<P>It warns that unless governments commit further action and funding, =
the=20
cumulative effects of continuing poverty, gender discrimination, new =
threats=20
such as HIV/AIDS, environmental change and shrinking international =
resources for=20
development could wipe our the benefits of lower fertility over the past =
generation, with global consequences.=20
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Hello G-Lers
I have been reading some wonderful postings but I have to admit that this
particlar one is intriguing and African Unity is a sine quo non for our
development efforts as a continent trying to catch up with the rest of the
world. Now that we are living in a borderless and boundaryless world driven
by technological advancement and the information super-highway, what we need
is a continent that is economically integrated, despite our cultural,
language, political differences, among other things. I cannot more than
agree with Mr. Njie citing NAFTA and EU as the two best classic examples of
economic integration.
This topic interest me a great deal and I would like to congratulate Mr.
Jones on the wonderful postings regarding this subject matter which I think
we should explore further.
Clincher: "Think globally and act locally"
Long Live Gambia and the African Continent.
Serign Cham.
e exampleswe --On Wednesday, September 22, 1999, 10:19 AM +0000 "Nyang Njie"
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> Hello G-Lers
> I enjoyed reading the postings with regards to African unity. I think that
> it is a noble goal that Africans need to pursue with vigor. In recent
> years, we have witnessed the formation of economic and political blocks
> around the world (case in point NAFTA and EU).
>
> Most proponents of continental unity put the cart before the horse. We
> cannot achieve continental unity without strong regional cooperation.
> Organizations such as ECOWAS, MAHGREB, and the East African common market
> should be used as platforms for the formation of a strong and viable
> continental body. A major obstacle to continental unity is the reluctance
of
> politicians to relinquish or surrender powers to a more centralize body.
> ECOWAS has been in existence for quite a while, but it had a limited
success
> in integrating West Africa into a common market. This is mainly due to
> member states not having a uniform policy to achieve goals set forth by
the
> organization. African unity will only be a reality when our political
> leaders realize that they have to loose some power for a greater good.
>
> The emerging trend of closer economic cooperation within countries of
> Western Europe, North America and the Asia Pacific rim will force Africa
to
> forge unions or common markets. The bargaining power of individual states
> will be diluted because most of our trading partners in Europe will
> negotiate deals to benefit the European Union not individual countries.
>
> Jere Jef,
> Daddy Njie.
>
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Saiks,
I noticed that the name Sarang (F) is missing from the list.
kabir.
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From: saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: 22. september 1999 20:24
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: COLLECTING TYPICAL GAMBIAN NAMES] -Reply]
Hi,
I am now through with the names etcI am resending these for a final
correction,I dont want to take the chance so please help to see if there =
are
any mistakes.
For freedom=20
Saiks
=BE " ^
- - - - - - =
=20
=20
jaajef Saiks,
Another list of names, supplied by a friend of mine,
for inclusion on the list, apologies for any repeats
FEMALE NAMES
Allimatou
Ancha
Anta
Aram
Aret
Arookee
Ayi
Balankang
Banna
Bijilo
Boneh
Bori (M/F)
Bunnu (F/M)
Ceesayding
Coumba
Daggah
Danjang
Dawitt
Daado
Fama
Fanta
FaraFulatunk
=20
Galo
Gaye
Gegeh
Hajarta
Hamisowe
Horeja
Houdja
Houmou
Hoyaan
Huja
Huri
Jaboh
Jabou
Jaherr
Jajeh
Jalika
Jalnum
Jamba
Jamos
Jankay
Janun
Jaria
Jariatou
Jay (M/F)
Jogomai
Jogoy
Jojo
Joko
Jola
Jongfoolo
Jonkong
Jor
Jaaja
Kaba (M/F)
Kaddy
Kafa
Kanja
Kanjumblaank
Kassamanding
Kinti Sona
Kodou
Kunkung
Kurou
Kurou
Kuura
Kaani
Lobe
Lolong / Lolo
Madeghen
Mai
Majula
Mam Mberegaye
Mamandew
Mambisinnine
Manding (M/F)
Mankita
Mansata
Marget
Mayimba
Mbasey
Mbayam
Mbene
Mberi
Mbinga
Mbinkinding
Mbissine
Momkan
Musubanding
Musukoi
Musukoto
Musukuta
Maaluta
N`Bene
N`Diabou
N`Gat
Nano
Ndey
Ndingbo
Ndura
Nenegalleh
Ngilan
Ngoneh
Njaling
Njarra
Njemeh
Njonkoling
Nkey
Nogoy
Numbeh
Nyakasi
Nyanya
Nyima
Obaar
Olaye
Oli / Olimatta
Rabbi
Ruggie
Sanjani
Sanou
Saro
Satang
Sigga
Sirando
Sirreh
Soda
Sonna
Sora
Sukai
Sunkang
Tamara
Tano
Tasatou
Tida
Tombong (M/F)
Tuti
Yadikon
Yakay
Yama
Yandeh
AND THE MALE NAMES:
Abba
Alkalo
Allabato
Almami
Almamo
Amata
Appaye
Bairo
Balankang/Balangka
Balla
Bamara
Bamba
Banjuku
Bechou
Bolla
Booya
Bora
Bori (M/F)
Boto
Botor
Buka
Bulley
Bunnu
Buray
Bye
Chana
Cheboh / Chebo
Correa
Daraman
Dekory
Demba/Dembo
Duwa
Ebin
Eggeh
Ekku
Fabala
Fafanding
Fakebba
Falla
Fallou
Fanding
Fansaine
Fara
Faranding
Farimang
Filijay (M/F)
Findi
Foday
Folongko
Galo
Gondoi
Gorra
Hadim
Houn
Jabel
Jahu
Jalang
Jalima
Jatta
Jatto
Jemussu
Jerreh
Jewru
Jidere
Jung
Jungkunda
Junkung
Kajaly
Kalilu
Kanimang
Kanjura
Karafa (M/F)
Karamba
Karankallo
Karanlang
Karanta
Karrafa
Katim
Kawsu
Kaykoto
Kayluntang
Kayring
Kebba
Kebuteh
Kekoi
Kemesseng
Kemeta
Kemo
Kemoring/Kemoba
Kenbugut/Kenbugul
Ketabou
Kewuleng
Kitim/Kitimu
Koora
Koro
Kuto
Kutobo
Kutubo
Laity
Lalo
Landing/Lang
Latjor
Leemu
Lensa
Loloh
Lolong/Lolo
Madehgen
Madi
Madikeh
Majorr
Malal
Mamadi
Mamar
Mamburray
Mamo
Mamur
Manding (M/F)
Manlafy
Masamba
Massaneh
Mawdo
Mayekor
Mba
Mbarka
Melbourey
Melbourey
Melbourey
Moli
Mom
Momat
Momkan
Mot
Maamina
N`fally
N`famara
N`fansu
N`juga
Naibelle
Ndongo
Nduggu
Ngattan
Ngoja
Ngor
Njagga
Numu
Pateh
Pili
Rabbi
Saiarr
Saidou
Sainey (M/F)
Sait
Sajo (M/F)
Samaba
Samba
Sambou
Samory
Sanballa
Sanjally
Sanjani
Sanji
Sankung
Sanna (M/F)
Sawalo
Sayer
Seckka
Sengan
Sidia
Siman
Sirach
Sittafa
Suntu
Saangone
Tamba
Tamsir
Tano (M/F)
Tombong
Yanding
Yelee
Yeyehn
yeyeh
YobYugo
Highly depending on you
For Freedom=20
Saiks
Tony
Nfansu (m)
Nfally (m)
Fansainey (m/f)
Jalicka (f)
Mususkoi (f)
Masata (f)
Jonkong (f)
Mariatu (f)
Jariatou (f)
Nyima (f)
Nyimanding (f)
Jonsoba (f)
Fatamina (f)
Fatunding (f)
Jankey (f)
Musubanding (f)
Satunding (f)
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Saiks,
Is Allimatou not Arabic?
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So are Sawalo (M), Njulu (F) Nyohorr (M), Keway (F), Jumaye (M), Kuta =
(F),
Modoun/Medoun (M), Ndahteh (F), Kendaka (F), Jaara (F), Mbayang (F), =
Teneng
(F), Yaaka (F), Mbissin (F), Mbachu (F).
Soffie
Saiks,
I noticed that the name Sarang (F) is missing from the list.
kabir.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: 22. september 1999 20:24
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: COLLECTING TYPICAL GAMBIAN NAMES]
-Reply]
Hi,
I am now through with the names etcI am resending these for
a final
correction,I dont want to take the chance so please help to
see if there are
any mistakes.
For freedom=20
Saiks
=BE " ^
- - - - - -
=20
jaajef Saiks,
Another list of names, supplied by a friend of mine,
for inclusion on the list, apologies for any repeats
FEMALE NAMES
Allimatou
Ancha
Anta
Aram
Aret
Arookee
Ayi
Balankang
Banna
Bijilo
Boneh
Bori (M/F)
Bunnu (F/M)
Ceesayding
Coumba
Daggah
Danjang
Dawitt
Daado
Fama
Fanta
FaraFulatunk
=20
Galo
Gaye
Gegeh
Hajarta
Hamisowe
Horeja
Houdja
Houmou
Hoyaan
Huja
Huri
Jaboh
Jabou
Jaherr
Jajeh
Jalika
Jalnum
Jamba
Jamos
Jankay
Janun
Jaria
Jariatou
Jay (M/F)
Jogomai
Jogoy
Jojo
Joko
Jola
Jongfoolo
Jonkong
Jor
Jaaja
Kaba (M/F)
Kaddy
Kafa
Kanja
Kanjumblaank
Kassamanding
Kinti Sona
Kodou
Kunkung
Kurou
Kurou
Kuura
Kaani
Lobe
Lolong / Lolo
Madeghen
Mai
Majula
Mam Mberegaye
Mamandew
Mambisinnine
Manding (M/F)
Mankita
Mansata
Marget
Mayimba
Mbasey
Mbayam
Mbene
Mberi
Mbinga
Mbinkinding
Mbissine
Momkan
Musubanding
Musukoi
Musukoto
Musukuta
Maaluta
N`Bene
N`Diabou
N`Gat
Nano
Ndey
Ndingbo
Ndura
Nenegalleh
Ngilan
Ngoneh
Njaling
Njarra
Njemeh
Njonkoling
Nkey
Nogoy
Numbeh
Nyakasi
Nyanya
Nyima
Obaar
Olaye
Oli / Olimatta
Rabbi
Ruggie
Sanjani
Sanou
Saro
Satang
Sigga
Sirando
Sirreh
Soda
Sonna
Sora
Sukai
Sunkang
Tamara
Tano
Tasatou
Tida
Tombong (M/F)
Tuti
Yadikon
Yakay
Yama
Yandeh
AND THE MALE NAMES:
Abba
Alkalo
Allabato
Almami
Almamo
Amata
Appaye
Bairo
Balankang/Balangka
Balla
Bamara
Bamba
Banjuku
Bechou
Bolla
Booya
Bora
Bori (M/F)
Boto
Botor
Buka
Bulley
Bunnu
Buray
Bye
Chana
Cheboh / Chebo
Correa
Daraman
Dekory
Demba/Dembo
Duwa
Ebin
Eggeh
Ekku
Fabala
Fafanding
Fakebba
Falla
Fallou
Fanding
Fansaine
Fara
Faranding
Farimang
Filijay (M/F)
Findi
Foday
Folongko
Galo
Gondoi
Gorra
Hadim
Houn
Jabel
Jahu
Jalang
Jalima
Jatta
Jatto
Jemussu
Jerreh
Jewru
Jidere
Jung
Jungkunda
Junkung
Kajaly
Kalilu
Kanimang
Kanjura
Karafa (M/F)
Karamba
Karankallo
Karanlang
Karanta
Karrafa
Katim
Kawsu
Kaykoto
Kayluntang
Kayring
Kebba
Kebuteh
Kekoi
Kemesseng
Kemeta
Kemo
Kemoring/Kemoba
Kenbugut/Kenbugul
Ketabou
Kewuleng
Kitim/Kitimu
Koora
Koro
Kuto
Kutobo
Kutubo
Laity
Lalo
Landing/Lang
Latjor
Leemu
Lensa
Loloh
Lolong/Lolo
Madehgen
Madi
Madikeh
Majorr
Malal
Mamadi
Mamar
Mamburray
Mamo
Mamur
Manding (M/F)
Manlafy
Masamba
Massaneh
Mawdo
Mayekor
Mba
Mbarka
Melbourey
Melbourey
Melbourey
Moli
Mom
Momat
Momkan
Mot
Maamina
N`fally
N`famara
N`fansu
N`juga
Naibelle
Ndongo
Nduggu
Ngattan
Ngoja
Ngor
Njagga
Numu
Pateh
Pili
Rabbi
Saiarr
Saidou
Sainey (M/F)
Sait
Sajo (M/F)
Samaba
Samba
Sambou
Samory
Sanballa
Sanjally
Sanjani
Sanji
Sankung
Sanna (M/F)
Sawalo
Sayer
Seckka
Sengan
Sidia
Siman
Sirach
Sittafa
Suntu
Saangone
Tamba
Tamsir
Tano (M/F)
Tombong
Yanding
Yelee
Yeyehn
yeyeh
YobYugo
Highly depending on you
For Freedom=20
Saiks
Tony
Nfansu (m)
Nfally (m)
Fansainey (m/f)
Jalicka (f)
Mususkoi (f)
Masata (f)
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Hi folks!
Guess what? The president's e-mail address is as follows. This is a message
he left on the guest book of Gambianet. I guess those of us who don't have
the opportunity to talk to him will send messages to him. Good luck.
Shalom!!!
SBS
Comments - Hello to all my fellow Gambians. Peace be with you in the
name of Allah. I am very happy to see that Gambia now has a
web site that attracts almost every Gambian around the World.
Keep up with the good work and peace be with
you once again. Long leave the Republic of The Gambia and
Thank you.
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Well
Jammeh's visit is no secret.
I have extended an invitation for him to attend the MCC's annual fund raising
dinner on the 25 Th. . It is not a political venue and no-one will ask him
questions because he will just be a guest eating dinner with all of us
regulars.
Hopefully he may show you at 15200 new hampshire Ave. , silver Spring ,Md. 20905
on Saturday 25 Th. 1999 at 7 pm. Dinner costs $50 per adult $25 per student and
$100 per family
Please come and support our center.
This is where we pray together regardless of our affiliations, where we bury our
brothers and sisters and get married ,learn the Quran and Islam and have our
Gammos etc.
Habib Ghanim,sr
Ceesay Soffie wrote:
> They are here Saiks, but that is no deterrent. Not that many people seem to
> know where the venue is or the times of the meeting, though. Any info? I
> don't know if there will be a meeting with TransAfrica - it will be a
> dereliction of duty on their part if they meet with the Chief Thug in Charge
> of the Brutality and the present day Poverty of our Gambian people.
>
> There are no NIA or july 22 movement down there,sure you
> will be save.
>
> For Freedom
> Saiks
> Folks,
> Sources have informed me of a special reception to be held
> in honor of the
> Prez during his visit to DC. A 'top secret' list of
> Gambians in the area
> who are deemed 'safe' or 'soft' on Jammeh have been invited
> to attend.
> Perhaps those who have not been invited but want to meet the
> President of
> ALL Gambians might consider 'crashing' this event. (smile!)
> Also you may want to attend the meeting at the Rainbow
> Coalition with Jesse
> Jackson, or perhaps catch up with him at Randall Robinson's
> TransAfrica or
> at the State Dept., or perhaps a tete-a-tete at his
> residence at ...
> Afterall, a President who cannot meet with his own people
> speaks volumes of
> his presidency.
> What would have been wrong with having a forum that is well
> moderated in
> which all Gambians (as opposed to a chosen few) are given
> the opportunity to
> hear what the President has to say and pose some questions
> to him also.
> The jittery behavior of those coordinating his visit as
> demonstrated by the
> silence of the Embassy for example, and the screening of
> members of the
> community, demonstrate the distrust folks in this government
> seem to have
> with the application of democracy. They should not be
> surprised though if
> those considered 'safe' or 'soft' turn out to be the ones
> with the thorny
> questions for H.E.
> Oh well, I for one wish them all well. I already had plans
> to attend my
> cousin's wedding in Atlanta. So sunshine city, here I come!
> Long Live Democracy! Long Live Openess!
> Latjor
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Hi Amu !
Am surprise to see your mail on the G.L I did try to send you mails
through your address published by the L but it was returned to me. I hope
you are able to get this mail and get back to me please. How is everyone
in the family.
Have a very good night
Sal
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Date: September 22, 1999 3:56 PM
Saiks,
I noticed that the name Sarang (F) is missing from the list.
kabir.
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From: saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: 22. september 1999 20:24
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: COLLECTING TYPICAL GAMBIAN NAMES] -Reply]
Hi,
I am now through with the names etcI am resending these for a final
correction,I dont want to take the chance so please help to see if there
are
any mistakes.
For freedom
Saiks
¾ " ^
- - - - - -
jaajef Saiks,
Another list of names, supplied by a friend of mine,
for inclusion on the list, apologies for any repeats
FEMALE NAMES
Allimatou
Ancha
Anta
Aram
Aret
Arookee
Ayi
Balankang
Banna
Bijilo
Boneh
Bori (M/F)
Bunnu (F/M)
Ceesayding
Coumba
Daggah
Danjang
Dawitt
Daado
Fama
Fanta
FaraFulatunk
Galo
Gaye
Gegeh
Hajarta
Hamisowe
Horeja
Houdja
Houmou
Hoyaan
Huja
Huri
Jaboh
Jabou
Jaherr
Jajeh
Jalika
Jalnum
Jamba
Jamos
Jankay
Janun
Jaria
Jariatou
Jay (M/F)
Jogomai
Jogoy
Jojo
Joko
Jola
Jongfoolo
Jonkong
Jor
Jaaja
Kaba (M/F)
Kaddy
Kafa
Kanja
Kanjumblaank
Kassamanding
Kinti Sona
Kodou
Kunkung
Kurou
Kurou
Kuura
Kaani
Lobe
Lolong / Lolo
Madeghen
Mai
Majula
Mam Mberegaye
Mamandew
Mambisinnine
Manding (M/F)
Mankita
Mansata
Marget
Mayimba
Mbasey
Mbayam
Mbene
Mberi
Mbinga
Mbinkinding
Mbissine
Momkan
Musubanding
Musukoi
Musukoto
Musukuta
Maaluta
N`Bene
N`Diabou
N`Gat
Nano
Ndey
Ndingbo
Ndura
Nenegalleh
Ngilan
Ngoneh
Njaling
Njarra
Njemeh
Njonkoling
Nkey
Nogoy
Numbeh
Nyakasi
Nyanya
Nyima
Obaar
Olaye
Oli / Olimatta
Rabbi
Ruggie
Sanjani
Sanou
Saro
Satang
Sigga
Sirando
Sirreh
Soda
Sonna
Sora
Sukai
Sunkang
Tamara
Tano
Tasatou
Tida
Tombong (M/F)
Tuti
Yadikon
Yakay
Yama
Yandeh
AND THE MALE NAMES:
Abba
Alkalo
Allabato
Almami
Almamo
Amata
Appaye
Bairo
Balankang/Balangka
Balla
Bamara
Bamba
Banjuku
Bechou
Bolla
Booya
Bora
Bori (M/F)
Boto
Botor
Buka
Bulley
Bunnu
Buray
Bye
Chana
Cheboh / Chebo
Correa
Daraman
Dekory
Demba/Dembo
Duwa
Ebin
Eggeh
Ekku
Fabala
Fafanding
Fakebba
Falla
Fallou
Fanding
Fansaine
Fara
Faranding
Farimang
Filijay (M/F)
Findi
Foday
Folongko
Galo
Gondoi
Gorra
Hadim
Houn
Jabel
Jahu
Jalang
Jalima
Jatta
Jatto
Jemussu
Jerreh
Jewru
Jidere
Jung
Jungkunda
Junkung
Kajaly
Kalilu
Kanimang
Kanjura
Karafa (M/F)
Karamba
Karankallo
Karanlang
Karanta
Karrafa
Katim
Kawsu
Kaykoto
Kayluntang
Kayring
Kebba
Kebuteh
Kekoi
Kemesseng
Kemeta
Kemo
Kemoring/Kemoba
Kenbugut/Kenbugul
Ketabou
Kewuleng
Kitim/Kitimu
Koora
Koro
Kuto
Kutobo
Kutubo
Laity
Lalo
Landing/Lang
Latjor
Leemu
Lensa
Loloh
Lolong/Lolo
Madehgen
Madi
Madikeh
Majorr
Malal
Mamadi
Mamar
Mamburray
Mamo
Mamur
Manding (M/F)
Manlafy
Masamba
Massaneh
Mawdo
Mayekor
Mba
Mbarka
Melbourey
Melbourey
Melbourey
Moli
Mom
Momat
Momkan
Mot
Maamina
N`fally
N`famara
N`fansu
N`juga
Naibelle
Ndongo
Nduggu
Ngattan
Ngoja
Ngor
Njagga
Numu
Pateh
Pili
Rabbi
Saiarr
Saidou
Sainey (M/F)
Sait
Sajo (M/F)
Samaba
Samba
Sambou
Samory
Sanballa
Sanjally
Sanjani
Sanji
Sankung
Sanna (M/F)
Sawalo
Sayer
Seckka
Sengan
Sidia
Siman
Sirach
Sittafa
Suntu
Saangone
Tamba
Tamsir
Tano (M/F)
Tombong
Yanding
Yelee
Yeyehn
yeyeh
YobYugo
Highly depending on you
For Freedom
Saiks
Tony
Nfansu (m)
Nfally (m)
Fansainey (m/f)
Jalicka (f)
Mususkoi (f)
Masata (f)
Jonkong (f)
Mariatu (f)
Jariatou (f)
Nyima (f)
Nyimanding (f)
Jonsoba (f)
Fatamina (f)
Fatunding (f)
Jankey (f)
Musubanding (f)
Satunding (f)
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:21:31 PDT
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Saiks,
This is a great collection. I hope the below I will give are not going to
be duplicates.
Nyonko/Nyominko (F)
Kurukemmeh (F)
Kunku (F)
Sayandeh (F)
Langsuntu (M)
Nyamoro (M)
Mojang (M)
Nakulang (M)
Bawusee (M)
Bannakeh (M)
Sutunding (M)
Ndekung (M)
Tufuu (M)
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>
>So are Sawalo (M), Njulu (F) Nyohorr (M), Keway (F), Jumaye (M), Kuta (F),
>Modoun/Medoun (M), Ndahteh (F), Kendaka (F), Jaara (F), Mbayang (F), Teneng
>(F), Yaaka (F), Mbissin (F), Mbachu (F).
>
>Soffie
>
>
> Saiks,
>
> I noticed that the name Sarang (F) is missing from the
>list.
>
> kabir.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 22. september 1999 20:24
> Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: COLLECTING TYPICAL GAMBIAN NAMES]
>-Reply]
>
>
> Hi,
> I am now through with the names etcI am resending these
>for
>a final
> correction,I dont want to take the chance so please help
>to
>see if there are
> any mistakes.
>
> For freedom
>
> Saiks
>
>
> ¾ " ^
> - - - - - -
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> jaajef Saiks,
>
> Another list of names, supplied by a friend of mine,
> for inclusion on the list, apologies for any repeats
>
> FEMALE NAMES
>
> Allimatou
> Ancha
> Anta
> Aram
> Aret
> Arookee
> Ayi
>
>
>
> Balankang
> Banna
> Bijilo
> Boneh
> Bori (M/F)
> Bunnu (F/M)
>
> Ceesayding
> Coumba
> Daggah
> Danjang
> Dawitt
> Daado
> Fama
> Fanta
> FaraFulatunk
>
> Galo
> Gaye
> Gegeh
>
>
> Hajarta
> Hamisowe
> Horeja
> Houdja
> Houmou
> Hoyaan
> Huja
> Huri
>
> Jaboh
> Jabou
> Jaherr
> Jajeh
> Jalika
> Jalnum
> Jamba
> Jamos
> Jankay
> Janun
> Jaria
> Jariatou
> Jay (M/F)
> Jogomai
> Jogoy
> Jojo
> Joko
> Jola
> Jongfoolo
> Jonkong
> Jor
> Jaaja
>
>
> Kaba (M/F)
> Kaddy
> Kafa
> Kanja
> Kanjumblaank
> Kassamanding
> Kinti Sona
> Kodou
> Kunkung
> Kurou
> Kurou
> Kuura
> Kaani
>
>
>
> Lobe
> Lolong / Lolo
>
>
> Madeghen
> Mai
> Majula
> Mam Mberegaye
> Mamandew
> Mambisinnine
> Manding (M/F)
> Mankita
> Mansata
> Marget
> Mayimba
> Mbasey
> Mbayam
> Mbene
> Mberi
> Mbinga
> Mbinkinding
> Mbissine
> Momkan
> Musubanding
> Musukoi
> Musukoto
> Musukuta
> Maaluta
>
>
> N`Bene
> N`Diabou
> N`Gat
> Nano
> Ndey
> Ndingbo
> Ndura
> Nenegalleh
> Ngilan
> Ngoneh
> Njaling
> Njarra
> Njemeh
> Njonkoling
> Nkey
> Nogoy
> Numbeh
> Nyakasi
> Nyanya
> Nyima
>
>
> Obaar
> Olaye
> Oli / Olimatta
> Rabbi
> Ruggie
>
>
> Sanjani
> Sanou
> Saro
> Satang
> Sigga
> Sirando
> Sirreh
> Soda
> Sonna
> Sora
> Sukai
> Sunkang
>
>
> Tamara
> Tano
> Tasatou
> Tida
> Tombong (M/F)
> Tuti
>
> Yadikon
> Yakay
> Yama
> Yandeh
>
>
>
>
>
> AND THE MALE NAMES:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Abba
> Alkalo
> Allabato
> Almami
> Almamo
> Amata
> Appaye
>
> Bairo
> Balankang/Balangka
> Balla
> Bamara
> Bamba
> Banjuku
> Bechou
> Bolla
> Booya
> Bora
> Bori (M/F)
> Boto
> Botor
> Buka
> Bulley
> Bunnu
> Buray
> Bye
>
> Chana
> Cheboh / Chebo
> Correa
> Daraman
> Dekory
> Demba/Dembo
> Duwa
>
>
>
> Ebin
> Eggeh
> Ekku
>
>
> Fabala
> Fafanding
> Fakebba
> Falla
> Fallou
> Fanding
> Fansaine
> Fara
> Faranding
> Farimang
> Filijay (M/F)
> Findi
> Foday
> Folongko
>
>
>
> Galo
> Gondoi
> Gorra
>
>
> Hadim
> Houn
>
>
> Jabel
> Jahu
> Jalang
> Jalima
> Jatta
> Jatto
> Jemussu
> Jerreh
> Jewru
> Jidere
> Jung
> Jungkunda
> Junkung
>
>
> Kajaly
> Kalilu
> Kanimang
> Kanjura
> Karafa (M/F)
> Karamba
> Karankallo
> Karanlang
> Karanta
> Karrafa
> Katim
> Kawsu
> Kaykoto
> Kayluntang
> Kayring
> Kebba
> Kebuteh
> Kekoi
> Kemesseng
> Kemeta
> Kemo
> Kemoring/Kemoba
> Kenbugut/Kenbugul
> Ketabou
> Kewuleng
> Kitim/Kitimu
> Koora
> Koro
> Kuto
> Kutobo
> Kutubo
>
>
> Laity
> Lalo
> Landing/Lang
> Latjor
> Leemu
> Lensa
> Loloh
> Lolong/Lolo
>
>
> Madehgen
> Madi
> Madikeh
> Majorr
> Malal
> Mamadi
> Mamar
> Mamburray
> Mamo
> Mamur
> Manding (M/F)
> Manlafy
> Masamba
> Massaneh
> Mawdo
> Mayekor
> Mba
> Mbarka
> Melbourey
> Melbourey
> Melbourey
> Moli
> Mom
> Momat
> Momkan
> Mot
> Maamina
>
>
> N`fally
> N`famara
> N`fansu
> N`juga
> Naibelle
> Ndongo
> Nduggu
> Ngattan
> Ngoja
> Ngor
> Njagga
> Numu
>
>
> Pateh
> Pili
>
>
> Rabbi
>
> Saiarr
> Saidou
> Sainey (M/F)
> Sait
> Sajo (M/F)
> Samaba
> Samba
> Sambou
> Samory
> Sanballa
> Sanjally
> Sanjani
> Sanji
> Sankung
> Sanna (M/F)
> Sawalo
> Sayer
> Seckka
> Sengan
> Sidia
> Siman
> Sirach
> Sittafa
> Suntu
> Saangone
>
>
> Tamba
> Tamsir
> Tano (M/F)
> Tombong
>
>
> Yanding
> Yelee
> Yeyehn
> yeyeh
> YobYugo
>
>
>
>
> Highly depending on you
> For Freedom
> Saiks
>
>
>
>
>
> Tony
>
> Nfansu (m)
> Nfally (m)
> Fansainey (m/f)
> Jalicka (f)
> Mususkoi (f)
> Masata (f)
> Jonkong (f)
> Mariatu (f)
> Jariatou (f)
> Nyima (f)
> Nyimanding (f)
> Jonsoba (f)
> Fatamina (f)
> Fatunding (f)
> Jankey (f)
> Musubanding (f)
> Satunding (f)
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Jaajef wa G-L,
This is for any medical professionals on the list who enjoy a challenge
Yeenduleen ak jaama
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POSITIONs East Timor
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Doctor and 2 nurses for
an emergency project in East Timor, Baucau area.
good spoken Portuguese or English is required, some
knowledge of tethum or
Indonesian Bahsa will be an advantage.
The doctor and nurses should have knowledge in the
following diseases:
Malaria; Pneumonia; Diarrhea; Measles; Tuberculosis;
Poliomyelitis; Cholera
and experience in complex emergency situations.
We need a doctor and two nurses with extensive
knowledge on complex
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caused by
Malnutrition.
Please send your CVs to the e-mail address:
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Dawda Jobe, forward this question to Matarr as well. Is he the Matarr Njie
from Nusrat High School? Class of 80 or 81?
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Soffie,
That you are a nonentity has not been a surprise to me all along; however
for you to be a congenital liar like Ebrima Ceesay has been a shock. You may
continue to pretend to be safe in the US until the KKK visits your
neighbourhood to remind you that you are nothing but a destitute, a
miscreant and perhaps a refugee on the run. Until such time, continue day
dreaming like you always do. Not a single day passes without an African
being shot to death in the US, or am I exaggerating? You mother fucker.
Matarr.
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>Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 05:40:18 GMT
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>>From: Ceesay Soffie <[log in to unmask]
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>>Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:20:14 -0400
>>
>>They are here Saiks, but that is no deterrent. Not that
many people seem
>>to
>>know where the venue is or the times of the meeting,
though. Any info? I
>>don't know if there will be a meeting with TransAfrica -
it will be a
>>dereliction of duty on their part if they meet with the
Chief Thug in
>>Charge
>>of the Brutality and the present day Poverty of our
Gambian people.
>>
>> There are no NIA or july 22 movement
down there,sure you
>>will be save.
>>
>> For Freedom
>> Saiks
>> Folks,
>> Sources have informed me of a special
reception to be
>>held
>>in honor of the
>> Prez during his visit to DC. A 'top
secret' list of
>>Gambians in the area
>> who are deemed 'safe' or 'soft' on Jammeh
have been
>>invited
>>to attend.
>> Perhaps those who have not been invited
but want to meet
>>the
>>President of
>> ALL Gambians might consider 'crashing'
this event.
>>(smile!)
>> Also you may want to attend the meeting
at the Rainbow
>>Coalition with Jesse
>> Jackson, or perhaps catch up with him at
Randall
>>Robinson's
>>TransAfrica or
>> at the State Dept., or perhaps a
tete-a-tete at his
>>residence at ...
>> Afterall, a President who cannot meet
with his own people
>>speaks volumes of
>> his presidency.
>> What would have been wrong with having a
forum that is
>>well
>>moderated in
>> which all Gambians (as opposed to a
chosen few) are given
>>the opportunity to
>> hear what the President has to say and
pose some
>>questions
>>to him also.
>> The jittery behavior of those
coordinating his visit as
>>demonstrated by the
>> silence of the Embassy for example, and
the screening of
>>members of the
>> community, demonstrate the distrust folks
in this
>>government
>>seem to have
>> with the application of democracy. They
should not be
>>surprised though if
>> those considered 'safe' or 'soft' turn
out to be the ones
>>with the thorny
>> questions for H.E.
>> Oh well, I for one wish them all well. I
already had
>>plans
>>to attend my
>> cousin's wedding in Atlanta. So sunshine
city, here I
>>come!
>> Long Live Democracy! Long Live Openess!
>> Latjor
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Jaajef Saiks,
Where you have got FaraFulatunk, this should be
two spereate names.
Also: Malaw (M)
Alboury (M)
Mufri (M)
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Ja jef G-lers,
I am just enquiring if Matarr is still a member of this forum.
I received a menacing email from Matarr with regards to my contribution on
African Unity. I am not offended by his comments, but I want to know if he
is receiving mails from the list. I will appreciate it if the list owner or
managers can assit me with this enquiry.
Jere jef,
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>I have been reading some wonderful postings but I have to admit that this
>particlar one is intriguing and African Unity is a sine quo non for our
>development efforts as a continent trying to catch up with the rest of the
>world. Now that we are living in a borderless and boundaryless world driven
>by technological advancement and the information super-highway, what we
>need
>is a continent that is economically integrated, despite our cultural,
>language, political differences, among other things. I cannot more than
>agree with Mr. Njie citing NAFTA and EU as the two best classic examples of
>economic integration.
>
>This topic interest me a great deal and I would like to congratulate Mr.
>Jones on the wonderful postings regarding this subject matter which I think
>we should explore further.
>
>Clincher: "Think globally and act locally"
>
>Long Live Gambia and the African Continent.
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>e exampleswe --On Wednesday, September 22, 1999, 10:19 AM +0000 "Nyang
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> > Hello G-Lers
> > I enjoyed reading the postings with regards to African unity. I think
>that
> > it is a noble goal that Africans need to pursue with vigor. In recent
> > years, we have witnessed the formation of economic and political blocks
> > around the world (case in point NAFTA and EU).
> >
> > Most proponents of continental unity put the cart before the horse. We
> > cannot achieve continental unity without strong regional cooperation.
> > Organizations such as ECOWAS, MAHGREB, and the East African common
>market
> > should be used as platforms for the formation of a strong and viable
> > continental body. A major obstacle to continental unity is the
>reluctance
>of
> > politicians to relinquish or surrender powers to a more centralize body.
> > ECOWAS has been in existence for quite a while, but it had a limited
>success
> > in integrating West Africa into a common market. This is mainly due to
> > member states not having a uniform policy to achieve goals set forth by
>the
> > organization. African unity will only be a reality when our political
> > leaders realize that they have to loose some power for a greater good.
> >
> > The emerging trend of closer economic cooperation within countries of
> > Western Europe, North America and the Asia Pacific rim will force Africa
>to
> > forge unions or common markets. The bargaining power of individual
>states
> > will be diluted because most of our trading partners in Europe will
> > negotiate deals to benefit the European Union not individual countries.
> >
> > Jere Jef,
> > Daddy Njie.
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progress at all."
Kaunda said organisations such as the Economic Community of West African =
States, South African Development Community and Common Market for =
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defence and for peace-keeping.
He, however, said he was not happy about the spate of civil and ethnic =
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The civil wars in Angola, Somalia, Sudan testify to a failure of =
governance in Africa, he noted, pointing out that "the war between =
Ethiopia and Eritrea is a perfect case that the further division of the =
continent does not mean the reduction of conflict."
He described Nkrumah as a visionary, liberator, pan-Africanist, man of =
ideas and ideals and action forever determined to see a free and united =
Africa.
Kaunda said the rejuvenation of the Congo crisis after the overthrow and =
death of President Mobutu Sese Seko is a vindication of Nkrumah's =
assertion that the "Congo question was never resolved".
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Dear Lers,
I received this letter from a colleague and wanted to share with you. I felt that with the great
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this message to all you know.
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<< Ja jef G-lers,
I am just enquiring if Matarr is still a member of this forum.
I received a menacing email from Matarr with regards to my contribution on
African Unity. I am not offended by his comments, but I want to know if he
is receiving mails from the list. I will appreciate it if the list owner or
managers can assit me with this enquiry.
Jere jef,
Daddy Njie.
>>
*************
Matarr must still be subscribed, or is receiving all the postings to the list
from someone, since he is always current on the topic of discussion on the
list, and takes time to send insults to several people, including myself. He
often sends profanities, the likes of which l have never heard in my life.
Jabou Joh
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On Matarr's response to my posting, was the email address of whoever
forwarded it to him who may be subscribed to the L. Here it is -
Soffie
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Alan,
I'm sure if the lady can find herself in Europe or the US, we will do
something. Does she have some people who can help her to get to these
shores. Much is possible.
Soffie
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From: ALAN MBOOJ [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 1:13 PM
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Subject: URGENT
Dear Lers,
I received this letter from a colleague and wanted to share
with you. I felt that with the great
number of people on the list someone might be able to help
this poor lady. Can you please extend
this message to all you know.
Majalang Sillah
C/o Saikou M. Juwara
Arab Gambian Islamic Bank Ltd. (AGIB)
7 Ecowas Avenue
P.O. Box 1514
Banjul
Dear Sir/Madam,
APPLICATION FOR SPONSORSHIP
I, Majalang Sillah of Kuntaur Madina, am hereby applying for
a sponsorship from anywhere in the
world to treat LIVER CANCER DISEASE.
I have tried every major hospital in the Gambia for
treatment but unfortunately the result is
always negative. Now I am appealing to the charitable
organisations and individuals for
assistance to treat my disease abroad.
I am grateful if my application is highly appreciated.
MAJALANG SILLAH
=====
Alan Mbooj
NEVER CRINGE, CROUCH OR CRAWL
RAISE YOUR HEAD AND STAND TALL.
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Hi Ous,
You might be right that Allimatou is Arabic,but I am not very sure of tha=
t.So
,for not taking any chances I will have to withdraw the name from the
list.Thank you.
For Freedom
Saiks
Saiks,
Is Allimatou not Arabic?
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hi T,
Thank you for the correction,it is my mistake.
For Freedom
Saiks
Jaajef Saiks,
Where you have got FaraFulatunk, this should be
two spereate names.
Also: Malaw (M)
Alboury (M)
Mufri (M)
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Saiks
FANKATA being practiced in Iran does not refute Imam Fatty's claims that
the practice as un Islamic. The past massive killings in Iran, does that
implied that its Islamic to kill, because it happens in Iran.
Again is the practice of FANKANTA in Iran and Gambia the same? I am not
proofing you wrong, but I am reiterating the weakness of your premise in
using Iran to support your allegation of hypocritical Islamic practices in
Gambia.
May be the practice of FANKANTA in Iran compared to Gambia is different
Or the campaign strategies in both countries are different
Or the personnel in charge of FANKANTA in Iran are more competent in
implementing the program than our personnel
Again Iranians Acceptance of the FANKANTA may be necessary for the country
Also How many of the Iran Imams like Imam Fatty accepted the practice?.
BBC airing the program cannot be a convincing evidence that FANKANTA
accepted in Iran. These programs go through a series of editions to suit
the taste of the listening audience.
May it's few that support the practice and it's that few who were shown on
TV/ radio
I think one has to put all these points in to consideration before one
could makes a conclusion.
You may be right but Iranians practice of FANKANTA does not make it
Islamic, just as Iranians war with Iraq cannot make a war Islamic.
Ebrima TOuray
On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 02:05:07 PDT wrote...
> FANKANTA IN IRAN
>
>Recently I was watching a programme on the BBC concerning the use of
>contraceptive for birth control.To be very frank I never expected that s=
>uch
>things will happen in Iran after the debate in this forum were our people=
> were
>out arguing that it is UN-Islamic and that Imam Fatty was doing what is
>expecting of him by Allah ,to condemn the Fankanta programme at home.This=
>
>programme only confirms my point that there is a lot of religious hypocr=
>isy
>going on in our country.
>When Ayatola came to power in Iran,he reduced the marriage age of girls t=
>o 9
>years.This is to say that girls at the age of 9 years could legally get
>married.Such a horrible thing did not only deny millions of Iranian girls=
> the
>joys of childhood but also opens up for population explosion in Iran.It w=
>as
>very clear that Ayatola was thinking more of producing child soldiers who=
> will
>fight his so-called Islamic course than to give Iran children a better
>childhood.Now among other things,the effect of such a policy is affecting=
>
>seriously life in Iran,poverty is growing in accordance with the populati=
>on
>growth.I kept wondering were is the Allah that Imam Fatty said will feed =
>every
>mouths HE created,this Allah must be very different from the Allah that t=
>he
>Iranians are worshiping.Through out this programme one finds out that Ira=
>nian
>are accepting the fact that less children better opportunity to feed and
>educate them and provide a better health service for the Family.Today a =
>
>factory in Iran is producing 35 million condoms yearly.Girls are learning=
>
>different ways of applying preventions and even men are being sterilize.=
>It
>was indeed interesting to see that some of the sessions are held in Mosqu=
>es
>after prayers.Women are expressing the desire of getting better education=
>
>before getting married or start a family.Perhaps Iranians are no longer
>Muslims !!
>It is important for us to use our common senses,Allah will never come dow=
>n on
>earth to tell us how to live our life,but it is easy to be on earth and c=
>laim
>representing Allah,that is way it will never be surprising to hear people=
>
>claiming that the Earthquake is a warning from Allah,when this horrible
>disasters are happening and affecting the life of people who believe in =
>Allah
>more than anybody else.It was a common saying in the Gambia that must of =
>the
>people who claim representing Allah will never see them selves through th=
>e
>gates of heaven,because they are false.
>
>
>For Freedom
>
>Saiks
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"Matarr must still be subscribed, or is receiving all the postings to =
the list
from someone, since he is always current on the topic of discussion on =
the
list, and takes time to send insults to several people, including =
myself. He
often sends profanities, the likes of which l have never heard in my =
life.
Jabou Joh"
Jabou, Sofie,
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Saiks,
Why not leave it there with a question mark until you can ascertain its =
origins.
Kabir.
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Hi Ous,
You might be right that Allimatou is Arabic,but I am not very sure of =
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,for not taking any chances I will have to withdraw the name from the
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Lagos State Governor Embroiled In Certificate Forgery ScandalLagos State =
Governor Embroiled In Certificate Forgery Scandal
September 23, 1999=20
LAGOS, Nigeria (PANA) - Lagos State governor, Ahmed Tinubu, has been =
fighting very had to keep his job as the gale of certificate scandal =
enveloped the third senior official in Nigeria's young democracy.
First it was Salisu Buhari, the speaker of the Federal House of =
Representatives, who was forced to resign and later convicted on charges =
of perjury and falsification of his age and educational qualification.
That scandal, exposed by the Lagos-based The News magazine had hardly =
subsided when Tell, another weekly publication, released a similar =
report, alleging that the Senate president, Evan Enwerem, the third =
highest citizen in the country, had also lied about his age. It went =
further to accuse him of being an ex-convict.
But Enwerem is still hanging onto his job having been cleared by the =
Senate Committee which investigated his case.
However, the House of Representatives Committee is still probing the =
matter although with waning public interest.
But Tinubu's case seems to have generated the loudest public debate, =
with Lagos human rights lawyer Gani Fahwehinmi accusing the media in =
western Nigeria of cover-up and double standard.
Abuja Today, a weekly publication, based in the Nigerian capital, has =
alleged that the Lagos State governor has lied about his secondary =
school and university qualification, including those reportedly obtained =
from Chicago State University and the University of Chicago, both in the =
US.
Tinubu's aide has made unsuccessful attempt to dismiss the allegation, =
but the scandal has refused to go away amid cause from some quarters for =
the governor to step aside.
After the expiry Monday of Fahwehinmi's seven-day ultimatum to Tinubu to =
clear himself, the lawyer has now taken his petition to the State =
Assembly speaker. He has also given the Nigerian inspector general of =
police another two weeks to probe the forgery allegation.
Fahwehinmi, famous for his penchant for litigation, declined to =
disclosed the next line of action at the expiry of the latest ultimatum =
to the police chief.
It is generally believed that he could go to court to challenge Tinubu's =
continued stay in office.
Also bowing to public pressure, the Lagos State House of Assembly has =
set up a probe into the Tinubu saga.
As Nigerians await the outcome of the investigation, a school of =
thought, however, hold strongly that Tinubu could only be removed =
through impeachment by the State House of Assembly, and not on the basis =
of media allegation.
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Mr Toury,
The Iranian war was fought in the name of Islam,It was claim that this wa=
s a
jihad.The Iranian Imams who open the doors of their Mosque for the Fankan=
ta
activist in your opinion might be people who do not understand what Islam=
is
about but those Iranian men and women who were part of that programme are=
convince that it is Islamic to a give a child a better life and fewer chi=
ldren
makes this easier.
The women activist in the Gambia have claimed to have support from many
Islamic scholars and Imam fatty ,Banding Drammeh and others are claiming =
that
these Islamic scholars are speaking against the interest of Islam.Who is =
Imam
fatty speaking for,is it true that Allah said that he will feed every mou=
th he
created ? Why then all the starvation and suffering,is Imam Fatty and oth=
ers
not misusing the name of Allah,should we not learn better to interpret th=
e
Koran than been fanatics.Allah will never come down to earth to solve our=
starvation problems,if this was the case Imam Fatty will never enter
politics.Is it even Islamic for Imam Fatty to be an Imam of a Chosen pers=
on
?Such religious hypocrisy have created enough problems in this world.Yes =
if
there was not such religious hypocrisy in Iran perhaps there would not ha=
ve
been the need for Fankanta that is in contradiction with the State policy=
in
Iran.This is what Iwas showing in the article because when Ayatola came t=
o
power in Iran he was using the same propaganda that Imam Fatty and co are=
using today,the consequences are what the Fankanta activist in Iran are
struggling against,did you get the sense now and did you read what the v=
ice
president said about population growth in the Gambia,she is either tellin=
g
lies,speaking against Islam(that Allah will feed every mouth he created)o=
r she
is speaking in line with the Fankanta activist in the Gambia.
For Freedom
Saiks
FANKATA being practiced in Iran does not refute Imam Fatty's claims that
the practice as un Islamic. The past massive killings in Iran, does that=
implied that its Islamic to kill, because it happens in Iran.
Again is the practice of FANKANTA in Iran and Gambia the same? I am not
proofing you wrong, but I am reiterating the weakness of your premise in
using Iran to support your allegation of hypocritical Islamic practices i=
n
Gambia.
May be the practice of FANKANTA in Iran compared to Gambia is different
Or the campaign strategies in both countries are different
Or the personnel in charge of FANKANTA in Iran are more competent in
implementing the program than our personnel
Again Iranians Acceptance of the FANKANTA may be necessary for the countr=
y
Also How many of the Iran Imams like Imam Fatty accepted the practice?.
BBC airing the program cannot be a convincing evidence that FANKANTA
accepted in Iran. These programs go through a series of editions to suit=
the taste of the listening audience.
May it's few that support the practice and it's that few who were shown o=
n
TV/ radio
I think one has to put all these points in to consideration before one
could makes a conclusion.
You may be right but Iranians practice of FANKANTA does not make it
Islamic, just as Iranians war with Iraq cannot make a war Islamic.
Ebrima TOuray
On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 02:05:07 PDT wrote...
> FANKANTA IN IRAN
>
>Recently I was watching a programme on the BBC concerning the use of
>contraceptive for birth control.To be very frank I never expected that =
s=3D
>uch
>things will happen in Iran after the debate in this forum were our peopl=
e=3D
> were
>out arguing that it is UN-Islamic and that Imam Fatty was doing what is
>expecting of him by Allah ,to condemn the Fankanta programme at home.Thi=
s=3D
>
>programme only confirms my point that there is a lot of religious hypoc=
r=3D
>isy
>going on in our country.
>When Ayatola came to power in Iran,he reduced the marriage age of girls =
t=3D
>o 9
>years.This is to say that girls at the age of 9 years could legally get
>married.Such a horrible thing did not only deny millions of Iranian girl=
s=3D
> the
>joys of childhood but also opens up for population explosion in Iran.It =
w=3D
>as
>very clear that Ayatola was thinking more of producing child soldiers wh=
o=3D
> will
>fight his so-called Islamic course than to give Iran children a better
>childhood.Now among other things,the effect of such a policy is affectin=
g=3D
>
>seriously life in Iran,poverty is growing in accordance with the populat=
i=3D
>on
>growth.I kept wondering were is the Allah that Imam Fatty said will feed=
=3D
>every
>mouths HE created,this Allah must be very different from the Allah that =
t=3D
>he
>Iranians are worshiping.Through out this programme one finds out that Ir=
a=3D
>nian
>are accepting the fact that less children better opportunity to feed and=
>educate them and provide a better health service for the Family.Today a =
=3D
>
>factory in Iran is producing 35 million condoms yearly.Girls are learnin=
g=3D
>
>different ways of applying preventions and even men are being sterilize=
=2E=3D
>It
>was indeed interesting to see that some of the sessions are held in Mosq=
u=3D
>es
>after prayers.Women are expressing the desire of getting better educatio=
n=3D
>
>before getting married or start a family.Perhaps Iranians are no longer
>Muslims !!
>It is important for us to use our common senses,Allah will never come do=
w=3D
>n on
>earth to tell us how to live our life,but it is easy to be on earth and =
c=3D
>laim
>representing Allah,that is way it will never be surprising to hear peopl=
e=3D
>
>claiming that the Earthquake is a warning from Allah,when this horrible
>disasters are happening and affecting the life of people who believe in=
=3D
>Allah
>more than anybody else.It was a common saying in the Gambia that must of=
=3D
>the
>people who claim representing Allah will never see them selves through t=
h=3D
>e
>gates of heaven,because they are false.
>
>
>For Freedom
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The African Literature Association 26th Annual (Millennial) Conference
will be held at the University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, April 12 -
16. The conference theme is "Enduring trends and new directions in
African literatures: theory and praxis," but papers on other aspects
of African literatures in African and European languages and of the
African diaspora are invited.
Featured speakers are expected to include Wole Soyinka, Derek Walcott
and Aminata Sow Fall. The following deadlines apply: December 18, 1999
for proposals, March 1, 2000 for pre-registration, and April 1, 2000
for special hotel rates at the Lawrence Holiday Inn Holidome. Forms
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I realise that the Mbollet is also missing.
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G-Lers,
Which Sanna B Sabally is this and where on earth is he writing from? Just
curious.
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The UK One World Linking Association has a conference at the Council =
House in Bristol on Sat Oct 16th from 10.00 to 4.00 all about links =
between community and school groups int the UK and corresponding groups =
mainly in the third World. There will be 100 people there with =
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friends!!) See you there!
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It is a pity for a religious leader like Imam Fatty to advocate against
Family Planning. It is my utmost belief that neither Islam nor any other
religion is against the use of condoms and other birth controls. The
introduction of Fankanta, the Mandinka name for self protection, is a
measure to curb the expontential population growth. Increase in the
population growth without any corresponding increase in the resources to
cater for them has negative repercusions. Famine, wars, diseases and other
social vices are always associated with exploding growth in population.
I am sorry to say that Imam Fatty, Babanding Drammeh are speaking out
of sheer ignorance rather that preaching the words of Allah and Prophet
Muhammed (PBUH).
It is a choice we the younger generation have to make. The best thing
is abstain from premarital sex. However, as good as it is, it's almost
impossible. The only alternative is to use Fankanta.
Safe Sex or no Sex!!!
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you don't have to subscribe to the list to be able to read mail posted by
list members.
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After the successful over throw of the Jawara gov't on July 22 1994,
most Gambians were happy that the change they had long awaited has finally
arrived. Jammeh, Sabally, Hydara, Touray and Singateh promised the people
of a transparent and accountable government. A government whose intent was
to discontinue the corrupt behaviors of its predecessor. A goverment
committed to national unity and economic development.
Five years and two months after that fateful day of a peaceful Friday
in July the nation is not any better than it was. In five years Jammeh has
hired and fired more officials than Jawara had in 30 years. Families have
been victimized, their assets frozen and their properties seized. Jammeh and
his loyal subjects have tortured and killed many Gambians. For example, the
sudden and untimely deaths of Sadibou Hydara and Ousman Koro Ceesay. Jammeh
was fully aware of the circumstances surronding the death of those two. He
however never made any remarks about them. Remember he is the very one who
who said his gov't would be transparent.
In five years, Jammeh, Touray and Singateh amassed millions of dalasis
of loans and grants contracted in the name of the Gambia only to be diverted
to personal accounts in Swiss, Turkey and other foreign banks. I could go on
and on-----
Organizing a dinner to honor a dictator, a tyrant, a murderer, and a
heartless leader is beyond my comprehension. The organizer(s) are in short
encouraging Jammeh and his gang, the July 22 Movement and the NIA, to
continue on the gross human rights violations prevalent in the Gambia.
With all due respect I urge the organizers to rescind the offer.
Ajarama
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Hi folks!
I want to clear the air. No more curiousity. I am not the former vice
chaiman. I am not the notorious Sanna who is now in prison. i live in
Tennessee. My login name is jamusjunkung and that does not imply that I am
the president.
Shalom!!!!!
SBS
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>G-Lers,
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>Which Sanna B Sabally is this and where on earth is he writing from? Just
>curious.
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After the successful over throw of the Jawara gov't on July 22 1994,
most Gambians were happy that the change they had long awaited has finally
arrived. Jammeh, Sabally, Hydara, Touray and Singateh promised the people
of a transparent and accountable government. A government whose intent was
to discontinue the corrupt behaviors of its predecessor. A goverment
committed to national unity and economic development.
Exactly five years and two months after that fateful Friday in July of
1994, the nation is not any better than it was. In five years Jammeh has
hired and fired more officials than Jawara had in 30 years. Families have
been victimized, their assets frozen and their properties seized. Jammeh and
his loyal subjects have tortured and killed many Gambians. For example, the
sudden and untimely deaths of Sadibou Hydara and Ousman Koro Ceesay. Jammeh
was fully aware of the circumstances surronding the deaths of those two
gambians. The entire nation knew Edward and Peter Singateh were involved.
Jammeh however never made any remarks or taken any action . Remember he is
the very one who who said his gov't would be transparent.
In five years, Jammeh, Touray and Singateh amassed millions of dalasis
of loans and grants contracted in the name of the Gambia only to be diverted
to personal accounts in Swiss, Turkey and other foreign banks. I could go on
and on-----
Organizing a dinner to honor a dictator, a tyrant, a murderer, and a
heartless leader is beyond my comprehension. The organizer(s) are in short
encouraging Jammeh and his gang, the July 22 Movement and the NIA, to
continue on the gross human rights violations prevalent in the Gambia.
With all due respect I urge the organizers to rescind the offer.
Ajarama
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I doubt if the MCC(?) invited Jammeh to their fundraising dinner because of
his Islamic credentials or religious leadership. To the contrary, his
(mis)deeds as a soldier and politician earned him the invitation. So the
organizers should be prepared for those who may be tempted to question the
good doctor/Alhaji about his conduct regardless of Habib's admonition.
Amadou Scattred Janneh
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Brother Amadou
I was invited to the reception which happens to be at the same time and due to
my previous engagement at the center (we have our annual dinners each fall at
the same time) SO SO
I declined based on that BUT I extended the invitation as the chairman of the
fundraising Committee of MCC on the hopes that we will get a large donations
from him . Inshallah.
I cannot be in Dc and MCC at the same time.
I hope he will come after his reception as we will be at the center until
midnight collecting money and serving dinner .
Please join us .
ALL are invited to help
Thanks
Habib Diab Ghanim
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> I doubt if the MCC(?) invited Jammeh to their fundraising dinner because of
> his Islamic credentials or religious leadership. To the contrary, his
> (mis)deeds as a soldier and politician earned him the invitation. So the
> organizers should be prepared for those who may be tempted to question the
> good doctor/Alhaji about his conduct regardless of Habib's admonition.
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An honest advice to President Jammeh!
You will be making an important trip to the US, and be participating on the
global arena meeting with leaders of different countries and organizations.
Clearly after five years experience on the job, this is not an attempt to
question your ability as an experienced leader in these areas. Although, as
a Gambian, and whether one supports you or hates you with a vengeance; we
would like other leaders to see our President as a serious leader, full of
wisdom, maturity, depth and someone that resonable people can do business
with.
It is fundamental to be aware that rhetorical politics for home consumption
can be an effective political tool, but when that same rhetoric is use in the
global arena, it can trigger an unfavorable image. Your usual stance on
bashing the west, wrapping yourself in the politics of the sixties, champion
of neo-african unity can sometimes come across very hollow and unfriendly to
potential investors.
President Clinton is maybe one of the most liberal politicians, but
understood the importance of repositioning his politics as a moderate to
capture the Presidency. Sir, in the dawn of the twenty-first century, it is
smart politics to reposition your political believes, and pursue a radical
politics of being a centrist whose sole purpose is the socio-economic
development of The Gambia. At this early stage of your Presidency, Gambian
people are not in search of an African messiah to free the Africn continent.
We need a bold reasonable leader to forge solidarity within the Gambian
people, champion favorable Trade relationship with the west and the globe as
a whole, and to introduce honest dewmocracy to the Gambian people.
Good luck!
Musa Jeng
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I don't have any contact at the Education Department in Banjul. If anyone
knows anybody who can help this guy, please do so. His email address is
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To whom it may concern:
I am an educator in the New York City school system. I would like to
organize educators tour groups, and organize a pen-pal association between
the children of The Gambia and New York. I have an old friend from The Gambia
named T'jan N'Jie.
We went to college together. I would like to see him again and institute the
above mentioned activities.
Would you be kind enough to forward any pertinent information to me so
that I could begin to establish this link between us.
Respectfully yours,
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Mr T Saidy,
One would be imagining that since we now have a TV station, that National
assembly sittings be covered by GRTS atleast to allow the electorate to evaluate
the candidates they have voted for,ofcourse that is not happening. Citizen FM used
to do that but as you know the government shut it down, Your exposure to the western
politics and the importance of the media would have help unless you want to close your
eyes. These kind of programmes will no doubt increase the awareness level of the Gambian
people, atleast they will serve a better purpose than the BORING FAMILY MATTERS that has
no relation to Gambian culture. May be you can throw some light on this issue.
One more thing, Mr Lamin Manga is doing a great job on his Extra Touch programme,
exposing talents of young Gambian musicians...good job ..
Thanks
Basiru Ndow
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Well done Fatou Jobe. We welcome any info from Yellowgate, so please keep
them coming. Greetings to Elie and the rest of the team.
Momodou Bojang
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>Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:36:57 +0100
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>Hello Lers,
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>Check out our latest edition of Yellowgate newsletter.
>Find out the latest artists set to release their albums. Watch out for Mr
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>Germany at POPKOM '99 and their Thank Yous to Ello. Who are Yellowgate's
>newest babies? And also about Monsieur Extra Touch, no other than Lamin
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Dear Sir,
I understand you want a list of Gambian Schools. Anyway, I don't have the
list but have a friend who just obtained a list for our Gambian association
in Seattle.
Your case seems very guinuin, I will contact this friend and see if he can
send you this list. He is actually on the gambia-l list and probably did not
see your mail.
I will write to him and forward your address, that way he can send you the
list directly.
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Hi Brother
I do see your point very clearly.This invitation is clearly out to save t=
he
dirty face of the AFPRC government.The money that Dr Jammeh is expected =
to
donate to the organization is the money of Gambian tax payers ,Jammeh sho=
uld
be told to return that money back to the Gambian people and not been enco=
urage
to travel abroad and dishing it out.Just yesterday a Gambian suffering fr=
om
some form of cancer is desperately appealing to all of us to save his lif=
e
because he could not be threated in the Gambia,where are all the hospital=
s
that are said to have been built in the Gambia,is it not a duty upon us,a=
s
good Gambians,good Muslims or Christians to call the attention of the
president to such situation than calling upon him to come and dish out so=
me
money in the name of ALLAH ?Is this organisation more interested in the m=
oney
of Jammeh or do they want to tell him who they are ?An organisation who
encourage the head of a corrupt government to dish out money to them wil=
l
surely be doing a bad PR work for their organisation.
For Freedom
Saiks
After the successful over throw of the Jawara gov't on July 22 1994,=
most Gambians were happy that the change they had long awaited has finall=
y
arrived. Jammeh, Sabally, Hydara, Touray and Singateh promised the peopl=
e
of a transparent and accountable government. A government whose intent w=
as
to discontinue the corrupt behaviors of its predecessor. A goverment
committed to national unity and economic development.
Exactly five years and two months after that fateful Friday in July=
of
1994, the nation is not any better than it was. In five years Jammeh has=
hired and fired more officials than Jawara had in 30 years. Families hav=
e
been victimized, their assets frozen and their properties seized. Jammeh =
and
his loyal subjects have tortured and killed many Gambians. For example, t=
he
sudden and untimely deaths of Sadibou Hydara and Ousman Koro Ceesay. Jam=
meh
was fully aware of the circumstances surronding the deaths of those two
gambians. The entire nation knew Edward and Peter Singateh were involved.=
Jammeh however never made any remarks or taken any action . Remember he i=
s
the very one who who said his gov't would be transparent.
In five years, Jammeh, Touray and Singateh amassed millions of dalas=
is
of loans and grants contracted in the name of the Gambia only to be diver=
ted
to personal accounts in Swiss, Turkey and other foreign banks. I could go=
on
and on-----
Organizing a dinner to honor a dictator, a tyrant, a murderer, and a=
heartless leader is beyond my comprehension. The organizer(s) are in shor=
t
encouraging Jammeh and his gang, the July 22 Movement and the NIA, to
continue on the gross human rights violations prevalent in the Gambia.
With all due respect I urge the organizers to rescind the offer.
Ajarama
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<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>Greetings Gambia-l,
I could not resist sending this article to the list particularly after reading in
FOROYAA how tobacco companies are </color>advertising on the state television<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>
(GRTS).
Have a good weekend.
Momodou Camara
*************
Copyright 1999 InterPress Service, all rights reserved.
Worldwide distribution via the APC networks.
*** 22-Sep-99 ***
Title: HEALTH: US Government Sues Tobacco Companies
By Jim Lobe
WASHINGTON, Sep 22 (IPS) - The US Justice Department, seeking to
recover billions of dollars spent by American taxpayers on smoking-
related health and medical care, is suing the US tobacco industry.
Announcing the lawsuit Wednesday, Attorney-General Janet Reno
charged the companies with an ''intentional, coordinated campaign
of fraud and deceit'' in which they withheld information from the
consuming public about the negative health effects of smoking.
''Smoking is the nation's largest preventable cause of death
and disease, and American taxpayers should not have to bear the
responsibility for the staggering costs,'' Reno told a news
conference.
Reno did not say how much money the government would seek to
recover from the tobacco companies, analysts said Washington
currently spent between 22 billion and 25 billion dollars a year
on tobacco-related health costs.
The suit named Philip Morris Inc.; Philip Morris Companies; R.J.
Reynolds Tobacco Co.; American Tobacco Co.; Brown and Williamson
Tobacco Corp.; British-American Tobacco PLC; British-American
Tobacco (Investments) Ltd.; Lorillard Tobacco Co. Inc; Liggett and
Myers Inc.; the Council for Tobacco research USA Inc.; and the
Tobacco Institute Inc.
''This suit represents the most serious legal threat the
tobacco industry has ever faced,'' said Bill Novelli, president of
the Washington-based Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.
He said the threat faced by the companies dwarfed those posed
by cases brought over the past decade against the same tobacco
companies. Those cases resulted in settlements last year which
obliged the companies to pay some 246 billion dollars over 25
years.
The same settlements also required the industry to eliminate
all billboard advertising of tobacco and to curb other promotion
practices, including sponsorship of sports events.
The new lawsuit threatened the industry not only the tens of
billions of dollars that may be at stake, but also the legal and
financial resources which the federal government can bring to the
case.
''The government is the only possible plaintiff that can match
the industry's resources dollar-for-dollar,'' according to Ross
Hammond, a San Francisco-based industry analyst.
The new lawsuit coincided with growing international concern
about tobacco consumption and new moves to control it.
As tobacco consumption fell in the United States and Western
Europe during the past two decades, the industry poured ever-more
resources into promoting and selling their products abroad,
especially in developing countries and Eastern Europe.
US tobacco companies, for example, increased their exports in
the past 10 years by some 260 percent. In 1996, RJR Nabisco and
Philip Morris, the two top US cigarette-makers, sold 57 percent
and 70 percent of their products overseas.
The industry also devoted millions of dollars in advertising
and promotion in these new markets, according to public health
experts. They directed their effort mainly at teenagers, who
identified smoking with the ''American'' life-style despite its
declining popularity here, according to Novelli.
The World Health Organisation (WHO) in Geneva, under its new
director-general, Gro Harland Brundtland, has made fighting
tobacco consumption - particularly by young people - a major
priority.
Last May, WHO began work on a framework convention which would
call on governments worldwide to subject tobacco sales to strict
regulation.
At the same time, a number of foreign countries instituted
their own suits, against tobacco companies to recover health-care
costs caused by tobacco use.
Bolivia, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panama, and Venezuela brought
the cases before US courts, while the governments of the Marshall
Islands and the Canadian province of British Columbia filed suits
in their home courts.
In addition, private class action suits seeking an array of
damages from tobacco companies have been instituted in courts in
Canada, Brazil, Britain, France, Spain, Nigeria, Argentina,
Australia, Brazil, Italy, Japan, Sri Lanka, and Turkey, among
others.
In all cases, the basic allegations were the same: that the
companies knew as early as the 1950's from their own internal
studies and research that tobacco was addictive and, its use could
lead to such deadly diseases as emphysema and lung cancer.
The companies were accused of deliberately withholding this
information from the consuming public.
That case increasingly became easy to make in recent years as
plaintiffs obtained company documents that showed precisely what
the industry knew about tobacco's effects on health and what
measures it took to conceal that information.
Anti-tobacco activists now hoped that the federal lawsuit would
force the companies to disclose more documents, that will in turn
bolster the pending cases of foreign governments and encourage
still more governments to file suits.
Tobacco industry spokesmen questioned whether the government
had the authority to bring such a lawsuit, particularly given more
than three decades of federal government warning to the public
about the health dangers of smoking.
At a news conference called here immediately after the Justice
Department announced its suit, a lawyer for Philip Morris
denounced it as ''a blatant political manoeuvre.''
''It's hypocrisy to think the tobacco companies misled the
federal government about the risks of smoking,'' he said.
The companies are expected to argue that its settlement last year
with the states settled all major public claims and that, as
recently as two years ago, Reno told Congress that the federal
government did not have a separate cause of action against the
companies.
In another statement, RJR Nabisco noted that the federal
government, despite its own knowledge of tobacco's toxicity,
received more money in taxes from cigarette sales than any of the
companies.
Novelli, however, noted that the lawsuit would act as a ''huge
sword over the industry's head.'' That, in itself, may force the
companies to improve their behaviour, particularly in this
country, he said. (END/IPS/jl/mk/99)
Origin: ROMAWAS/HEALTH/
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<< Greetings Gambia-l,
I could not resist sending this article to the list particularly after
reading in
FOROYAA how tobacco companies are advertising on the state television
(GRTS).
Have a good weekend.
Momodou Camara
*************
The Tobacco companies have long been banned from advertising on television
here in the States. They are not even allowed to advertise on billboards on
the roads anymore. Guess where they can now take their advertising campaign
and their experiments to get more and more people ( especially young people)
hooked on the poison of nicotine? So called Third World countries with
Gullible, corrrupt leadership, where all that matters is the bottom line. l
am afraid Africa makes the best target right now. Certainly no one to even
look after the everyday wellfare of the people, much less advocate for such a
thing as protecting our people from the greed of the Tobacco companies.Our
leaders, like our President, are the first in line to abuse the people's
human rights, so what better welcome sign than that do the tobacco
companies need to come in and do their thing? No, leaders such as Jammeh are
too busy fooling themselves by trying to drum up false international support
by arranging behind the scenes/closed door with a handful of what the
Americans call "henpecked cronies" meetings here in the U.S. If his was a
legitimate government that came about because they created an atmosphere free
of coercion and underhandedness prior to the elections, and which in turn
allowed the Gambian people to vote freely, as well as opposition parties
their right to adequate time to prepare to participate fully in the process,
and if his agenda was not a reign of terror on the Gambian people, rife
with kidnappings and unchecked lawlessness, essentailly sanctioned banditry,
then we would have seen him in the news at the Whitehouse, welcomed, as all
respected foreign leaders are welcomed. Then also, he would not have had
to hide from the Gambians in this country on a visit here, such as he is
doing now. What a shame, and how sad indeed for our country and our people.
Jabou Joh
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Soffie,
Thank you very much for your prompt reply.
We are very hopeful to find a sponsor for the trip to the USA. We have had some promises from
individuals in the Gambia. However, the promise are conditional on our ability to find fund
abroad. On this note, I would like to enquire if there is something definite down your.
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Alan,
>
> I'm sure if the lady can find herself in Europe or the US, we will do
> something. Does she have some people who can help her to get to these
> shores. Much is possible.
>
> Soffie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ALAN MBOOJ [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 1:13 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: URGENT
>
> Dear Lers,
>
> I received this letter from a colleague and wanted to share
> with you. I felt that with the great
> number of people on the list someone might be able to help
> this poor lady. Can you please extend
> this message to all you know.
>
> Majalang Sillah
> C/o Saikou M. Juwara
> Arab Gambian Islamic Bank Ltd. (AGIB)
> 7 Ecowas Avenue
> P.O. Box 1514
> Banjul
>
>
>
> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
> APPLICATION FOR SPONSORSHIP
>
> I, Majalang Sillah of Kuntaur Madina, am hereby applying for
> a sponsorship from anywhere in the
> world to treat LIVER CANCER DISEASE.
>
> I have tried every major hospital in the Gambia for
> treatment but unfortunately the result is
> always negative. Now I am appealing to the charitable
> organisations and individuals for
> assistance to treat my disease abroad.
>
> I am grateful if my application is highly appreciated.
>
> MAJALANG SILLAH
>
>
>
>
>
>
> =====
> Alan Mbooj
>
> NEVER CRINGE, CROUCH OR CRAWL
> RAISE YOUR HEAD AND STAND TALL.
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Hello Uncle Jay,
I will just like to support your idea of requesting the anti goverment
bantaba group to arrange a meeting with H.E. Alhagie Dr Yahya A.J.J Jammeh
The President of The Republic of The Gambia in the States whiles he is
there, or else it will be a big shame and they should not wast our time and
space in the net with lots of complaints. Those who are in UK, Sweden, etc,
etc, just get a spokes person in the USA and E-mail your comments or
questions for retransmission to H.E. Dr Jammeh.
If they fail to do this, I shall also talk to 'Pa Secure' to address all of
them via the net.
Now is the time, please do not miss it, 'opportunity comes but once'.
I shall also like to know the outcome of this meeting or else 'let sleeping
dogs lie'.
Regards,
Rodine.
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>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:56:36 GMT
>
><Habib Wrote>
>
>>From: "Habib Ghanim, Sr" <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: PRESIDENTIAL VISIT-- NEWS---AND MCC DINNER
>>Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:29:15 -0400
>>
>>Have you heard ??
>>
>>H.E. the president of
>> > the Republic of the Gambia will address the United Nations General
>>Assembly
>> > on the 24th Sept.'99.
>> > He is expected to proceed to Washington DC to discuss issues of
>>concern to
>> > the community. There would be a number of bilateral issues including
>> > facilitation of immigration and visa procedures.
>>
>>Source " Gambian friend"
>>
>>
>>SECOND and most importantly
>>:
>>
>>On the 25 of September MCC will be having it annual fund raising Dinner
>>.
>>Please attend and support your center Muslim Community Center at 15200
>>New Hampshire Ave. ,Silver Spring , Md. 20905
>>
>>The annual Fall Fundraising dinner will take place on SATURDAY the 25
>>Th. of
>>September 1999. Keep the date free . If you cannot attend send some
>>donnations in kind and or checks payable to MCC at the above address.
>>
>>Guest speakers are
>>Bro. Aly Ramadan of AMC
>>Dr Sulayman Nyang of Howard University-
>>Topic
>>Sharing Common Grounds
>>
>>MCC is in desperate need for it's monthly expenses . Please come and
>>support
>>
>>us .
>>$50 per person and $ 100 per family
>>call 301 384 3454
>>Ask for Imam Fysul Khan or Habib Ghanim,Sr (Fundraising committee)
>>Thank you
>>
>>LET's UNITE to save our center. It is critical we do so .Please put
>>aside all our differences for this event.
>>We suggest if you cannot make it to send a generous donation. Thanks
>>
>>Habib Ghanim
>>[log in to unmask]
>>
>>PS I need some friends to cook benachin for about 250 people (it can be
>>split between five sisters or brothers) . I want some African food to be
>>served instead of the normal Pakistani food . Can I have volunteers??
>>Thanks Habib
>
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>If the above about the President's visit is true, I think this is the time
>those of us having pertinent questions to asked him should come out
>together
>and scheduled a meeting with him and ask him those questions. If you allow
>the man to come and go back without arranging to meet him then cowardice is
>your master.And as "Pa Secure" says you have a "BASKET MOUTH" (If you want
>to know Pa Secure, ask Tombong Saidy and he will enlighten you)
>Too many things have been shared in this list and now we have the
>opportunity to organise a "meet the president committee".
>
>
>Dr. owl says "DOGS THAT BARK WHILE BENDING THEIR HEADS LOW HAVE NO TEETH"
>
>UNCLE JAY
>
>Peace!!!
>
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Hi,
Please make sure you meet him and tell us the outcome of the meeting. Do
what you have to do and stop barking. If you have the right to go to the
USA, why not Dr Jammeh, (YOUR PRESIDENT). You like it or not he is the
president of our beloved Gambia. Long live the Gambia under the APRC with
their multiple development projects. Rome was not build in a day, so please
give us chance to build and develop the Gambia for the betterment of all
mankind.
Please no hard feelings.
Regards,
Rodine.
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>Gambia-l:
>
>Is the tough-talking Dr. Alhaji ...Yahya ... Jammeh planning on sneaking in
>and leaving the USA without meeting the Gambian community? What is he
>afraid
>of? His itinerary will be known to most interested parties (friend and foe
>alike) even before he steps on US soil. And those of us who want to get
>our
>messages through his ears will not disappoint him either.
>
>Amadou Scattred Janneh
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Alan,
Food and lodging for the lady, will be provided if/when she gets here.
Concerns/questions raised by my colleagues are - how progressed is the
disease, can the doctors who diagnosed her give a write-up on her condition,
what are the symptoms, etc.
We want to avoid the situation where her condition is much advanced that
when she is seen here she will be put on just pain numbing drugs that do
nothing to cure her condition. We also want to have answers to the kinds of
questions the providers will ask and we want to present a clear case. What
can you find out, quickly?
Soffie
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Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 10:21 AM
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Soffie,
Thank you very much for your prompt reply.
We are very hopeful to find a sponsor for the trip to the
USA. We have had some promises from
individuals in the Gambia. However, the promise are
conditional on our ability to find fund
abroad. On this note, I would like to enquire if there is
something definite down your.
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> Alan,
>
> I'm sure if the lady can find herself in Europe or the US,
we will do
> something. Does she have some people who can help her to
get to these
> shores. Much is possible.
>
> Soffie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ALAN MBOOJ
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> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 1:13
PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: URGENT
>
> Dear Lers,
>
> I received this letter from a colleague
and wanted to share
> with you. I felt that with the great
> number of people on the list someone might
be able to help
> this poor lady. Can you please extend
> this message to all you know.
>
> Majalang Sillah
> C/o Saikou M. Juwara
> Arab Gambian Islamic Bank Ltd. (AGIB)
> 7 Ecowas Avenue
> P.O. Box 1514
> Banjul
>
>
>
> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
> APPLICATION FOR SPONSORSHIP
>
> I, Majalang Sillah of Kuntaur Madina, am
hereby applying for
> a sponsorship from anywhere in the
> world to treat LIVER CANCER DISEASE.
>
> I have tried every major hospital in the
Gambia for
> treatment but unfortunately the result is
> always negative. Now I am appealing to
the charitable
> organisations and individuals for
> assistance to treat my disease abroad.
>
> I am grateful if my application is highly
appreciated.
>
> MAJALANG SILLAH
>
>
>
>
>
>
> =====
> Alan Mbooj
>
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Hi,
Do you want to be the President of the Gambia?
If so please stop sitting there and come home and work for the development
of your nation as Dr Jammeh is doing. If you do not like Dr Jammeh just
keep it to yourself and you do not need to tell us what to do. If you are
brave enough to discibe him like this on the net, you should make it a point
of duty to arrange a meeting place and tell him directly as people with guts
will do, only then I will support you.
I am only interested to know the outcome of the meeting or else keep any
other thing you have to say to yourself.
Good luck 'brave man'
regards,
Rodine.
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>Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:19:51 EDT
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>We understand his handlers are trying to arrange some meetings for him with
>people outside of official Washington since he is not going to be a guest
>of
>the US government by dint of the fact his regime is considered
>illegitimate.
>Regardless of where he goes or who he attempts to ingratiate himself with
>we
>intend to make sure his perspective hosts know precisely who he is i.e a
>ruthless dictator with a penchant for touturing, abducting and murdering
>is
>opponents. We understand attempts are being made to sound out percieved
>sympathisers in the metro washington area in an attempt to burnish his
>image.
>Indications are there are no takers for for such a blatant attempt of
>manipulation . List memebers , this is not a respected leader out to do
>some
>good but rather a vicious man who relishes at hectoring folks he believes
>are
>not subservient enough.
>
>I tentatively understand he is meeting with Randall Robinson of Transafrica
>and Rev Jesse Jackson both of whom have spent their lifetimes fighting for
>the rights of all people to live a free and progressive life the very
>things
>that President works deligently to thwart. Our task would then have to be
>to
>precisely spell out who their guest is by vividly displaying his record.
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:49:31 -0400
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Well said musa.I hope the President will heed your honest advice.
Weyeh.
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An honest advice to President Jammeh!
You will be making an important trip to the US, and be participating on
the
global arena meeting with leaders of different countries and
organizations.
Clearly after five years experience on the job, this is not an attempt
to
question your ability as an experienced leader in these areas.
Although, as
a Gambian, and whether one supports you or hates you with a vengeance;
we
would like other leaders to see our President as a serious leader, full
of
wisdom, maturity, depth and someone that resonable people can do
business
with.
It is fundamental to be aware that rhetorical politics for home
consumption
can be an effective political tool, but when that same rhetoric is use
in the
global arena, it can trigger an unfavorable image. Your usual stance on
bashing the west, wrapping yourself in the politics of the sixties,
champion
of neo-african unity can sometimes come across very hollow and
unfriendly to
potential investors.
President Clinton is maybe one of the most liberal politicians, but
understood the importance of repositioning his politics as a moderate to
capture the Presidency. Sir, in the dawn of the twenty-first century, it
is
smart politics to reposition your political believes, and pursue a
radical
politics of being a centrist whose sole purpose is the socio-economic
development of The Gambia. At this early stage of your Presidency,
Gambian
people are not in search of an African messiah to free the Africn
continent.
We need a bold reasonable leader to forge solidarity within the Gambian
people, champion favorable Trade relationship with the west and the
globe as
a whole, and to introduce honest dewmocracy to the Gambian people.
Good luck!
Musa Jeng
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:52:51 -0400
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Subject: Another Imams View On Fankanta
I saw the following from the GambiaNet issue of 17th. September 1999. Enjoy reading.
Greetings
Matarr M. Jeng
"FANKANTA' CANNOT BE BANNED", SAYS IMAM BABA LEIGH
As the controversy surrounding the newly introduced family planning concept commonly called 'Fankanta' , rages on among religious leaders, the imam of Kanifing housing estate mosque, Baba Leigh, had said that it can "never be outlawed because it is not illegal and not against Islam".
Imam Leigh in his reaction to the earlier statement made by the president of the Gambia Supreme Islamic Council, Banding Drammeh, that his council would lobby for 'Fankanta' to be outlawed, told the Daily Observer, in an interview, that, 'Fankanta' is a development issue which goes beyond using contraceptives.
"Islam supports 'Fankanta' because it is a religion which seeks peace, comfort and health for its adherents", he argued, adding that the utterances of the imam of State House, Abdoulie Fatty against the initiative is irrational and unittellectual.
He accused Imam Fatty of misusing the government-controlled media "by aggressively attacking innocent individuals in the country", like the Ahmaiyyans.
"It is not helpful to tarnish the image of the Ahmadiyyans. He should leave them because they have important projects in the country." The qur'an, he added, enjoins all muslims to be tolerant to other people's belief.
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:05:15 PDT
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From: saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [Another Imams View On Fankanta]
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HI Brother,
Thank you for this posting,I never had doubts that there are more intelli=
gent
Imams in the Gambia who know the Koran better than politicians who call t=
hem
selves religious leaders.Imam Fatty and Banding Drammeh should declare th=
eir
hidden political agendas than misusing public media to spread their
reactionary messages.
For Freedom
Saiks
I saw the following from the GambiaNet issue of 17th. September 1999. Enj=
oy
reading.
Greetings
Matarr M. Jeng
"FANKANTA' CANNOT BE BANNED", SAYS IMAM BABA LEIGH
As the controversy surrounding the newly introduced family planning conce=
pt
commonly called 'Fankanta' , rages on among religious leaders, the imam o=
f
Kanifing housing estate mosque, Baba Leigh, had said that it can "never b=
e
outlawed because it is not illegal and not against Islam".
Imam Leigh in his reaction to the earlier statement made by the president=
of
the Gambia Supreme Islamic Council, Banding Drammeh, that his council wou=
ld
lobby for 'Fankanta' to be outlawed, told the Daily Observer, in an inter=
view,
that, 'Fankanta' is a development issue which goes beyond using
contraceptives.
"Islam supports 'Fankanta' because it is a religion which seeks peace, co=
mfort
and health for its adherents", he argued, adding that the utterances of t=
he
imam of State House, Abdoulie Fatty against the initiative is irrational =
and
unittellectual.
He accused Imam Fatty of misusing the government-controlled media "by
aggressively attacking innocent individuals in the country", like the
Ahmaiyyans.
"It is not helpful to tarnish the image of the Ahmadiyyans. He should lea=
ve
them because they have important projects in the country." The qur'an, he=
added, enjoins all muslims to be tolerant to other people's belief.
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:20:21 +0200
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From: Amadu Kabir Njie <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: YAYA JAMMEH'S E-MAIL ADDRESS!!!!!!!
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Sana Ba,
I've just been visiting GambiaNet's guestbook and can verify that the =
message you forwarded to the List is indeed from there. I hope Jammeh =
himself did not write the message:" ...Long leave the Republic of The =
Gambia..." His aides would be afraid to tell him that it is called "Long =
live The Gambia" for fear of being fired! Or is he really planning to =
take a long "leave" from The Gambia?
Regards.
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:28:48 +0200
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"HI Brother,
Thank you for this posting,I never had doubts that there are more =
intelligent
Imams in the Gambia who know the Koran better than politicians who call =
them
selves religious leaders.Imam Fatty and Banding Drammeh should declare =
their
hidden political agendas than misusing public media to spread their
reactionary messages."
Saiks,
We must continue to expose them for what they are! We owe it to =
ourselves, our people and not the least, we owe it to God!
Kabir
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:58:51 PDT
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HI,
Is there any body who can help to clarify if Rabbi is a female or male n=
ame
For Freedom
Saikss
Let me add some names to your rapidly growing
list;
Joor (M&F)
Jileen (M)
N'Gat (M)
Gorra (M)
N'Joma (M)
Leemu (M)
N'Jeggan (M)
M'Bene (F)
N'Diabou (F)
Momkan (M)
Mostly originating from Seerer Saafen
Yeendu ak jaama
Tony
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Hi all..... Thought some of you might find this interesting... Also
attached is the full text press release by Lamin Waa Juwara about the Denton
Bridge Ambush which some of you might have read about on OBSERVER. *NOTE*
I reproduced this text to the best of my ability... any typographical errors
are solely mine and not that of the UDP leadership.....
-Jula Muso (Yama Darboe)
A Catalogue of human Rights Abuses in The Gambia Since July 1994
The advent of military rule in the Gambia brought about a total disruption,
in the atmosphere of political freeedom, for the respect of Human Rights and
the rule of the law.
The period considered as the transition phase to multiparty democracy was
chracterised by an unprecedented catalogue of Huamn Rights Abuses, ranging
from arbitary arrrests, unlawful detentions, press censorship, torture and
extra-judicial killings.
Gambians were anticioating a return to constitutional rule and genuine
democratic pluralism that would once agin guarantee civil liberties and the
respect for the rule of the law.
The 1997 constitution of the Republic of The Gambia, approved in a
referendum which preceded the multiparty elections and democratic
governance, did not guarantee the fundamental rights and freedom of all
persons irrespctive of political affiliations or beliefs. In addition to
the constitution, The Gambia is signatory to various International
conventions including:
1) The convention against torture and other cruel,
inhumane or degrading punishment
2) The International Convention On Civil and Political
Rights and
3) The African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights-
all of which guarantee the rights to freedom from arbitary arrests or
detention and from torture, cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment or
punishmeny and freedom of the press. Moreover, the United Nations of which
the Gambia is a member has constatly urged member states to combat impunity
and all forms of excessess.
Nevertheless, it soon became evident especially after the National Assembly
Elections that the Gambian Authoriteies have little or no regard for both
the constitution that they swore to uphold and preserve the International
conventions to which The Gambia is a party.
Gambians still continue to witness flagrant violations and abuse of Human
Rights reanging from arbitary arrests, unlawful detentions to abductions and
kidnappings by state sponsored agents and thugs, especially the NIA and the
22nd July movement. These include:
a) the muzzling of the press through harassment, detentions and deportations
of journalists and the continued enforcement of decrees 70/71.
b) the continued arrest, detention and torture of political opponents;
c) the denial of opposition political parties access to the state controlled
media, particularly the National Radio and Television.
d) the general diregard for court orders;
e) the wrongful dismal of public servants including chiefs and Alkalolu;
g) the utilization of public resources by the APRC for party political
activities;
1) The GENERAL PUBLIC DEMANDS AN ENQUIRY TO INVESTIGATE AMONGST OTHER
THINGS:
a) the circumstances surrounding the arrest, detention and torture of what
has become know as the BRIKAMA 9;
b) the circumstances surrounding the disruption of National Stakeholders
Workshop, in Mansakonko by members of the July 22nd movemnet and why no
action ahs been taken against the persons reponsible;
c) the arrest and incommunicado detention of Lamin Waa Juwara in May and
June of 1998 and the torture inflicted upon him while in state custody;
d) the circumstances leading to the death of Ousman Koro Ceesay for minister
of Finance and Economic Affairs;
e) the death, whilst in detention, of Captain Sadibou Hydara a former
minister of interior.
f) the september 22nd 1996 Denton bridge incident during campaign for
presidential elections.
2) Baba Jobe, the chairman of the July 22nd movemnt be arrested and
persecuted for going armed in public, threatening violence and assaulting
Lamin Gassama, an airport security personnel at Banjul International Airport
in April 1999;
b) Messers Gassama and Jatta who were wrongfully dismissed following the
incident at Banjul International Airport be reinstated.
3) Decrees 70/71 and all other decrees inimical to good governance or
inconsistent with the constitution be repealed.
THE DENTON BRIDGE AMBUSH: A UDP COMMEMORATIVE STATEMENT
Exactly three years ago today, The United Democratic Party concluded the
most triumphant political campaign that The Gambia has ever seen since
independence.
A convoy of some 75 private and commercial vehicles assemblled in Brikama in
the early evening at the end of the 12 day pronvincial tour. An additional
50 or more vehicles joined the convey at Brikama for the final stage of the
tour leading to Banjul for the penultimate rally later that evening. An
estimated seventy-five Thousand enthusiatic Welcoming UDP supporters in
party colours and T-shirts lined the entire route from Brikama to Old
Jeshwang since early afternoon.
The day was Sunday 22nd September 1996. The United Democratic Party was
barely 20 days old. Earlier in that day, there were several sporadic
attacks on UDp supporters by armed soldiers on the highway at Kembujeh,
Lamin, Latrikinda and Kanifing. Later on, Several troop carriers brought
in more soldiers in full combat gear. The soldiers brutally started
attacking UDP supporters and tearing of T-Shirts and party colours. A
fierce running battle ensued on the public highway especially in the
Tallingding and Westfield Clinic areas. Several UDP supporters were injured
with bayonet wounds.
While this rampage in the heart of Kombo Saint Mary Administrative Area,
there was not a single police officer in sight. Meanwhile a platoon of
soldiers blockaded Denton Bridge, the passengers were ordered out of
vehicles at gun point and commandeered to a piece of ground ajacent to the
police post. An amnesty International country report on Human Rights
Violations in The Gambia describes what happened.
"Vehicles containing some 100-200 supporters were stopped and
the occupants were severely beaten with sticks and other
weapons possibily even rubber truncheons"
One medical clinic alone treated 115 casualities from this incident and 21
of these required admission for the total of 26 bed-days. Thirteen of the
injured were young women. The injuries ranged from superficial cuts on the
backs to penetrating bayonet injuries on the chest wall on Sidia Sagnia, the
UDP Senior administrative secretary and adopted candidate for Basse
constituency National Assembly elections was viciously beaten and had two
fingers broken on his left hand. Mr. Sagnia eventually died on the 8th of
June 1998.
Mr. Kebuteh Jafuneh, 59 years old, Entertainer Extraordianry of the UDP had
several deep cuts on his back and sides and never fully recovered until his
death on the 28th of August 1998.
Apart from the two, three other people died as a result of their
ill-treatment which was confirmed by Amnesty International.
Unconfirmed reports by amnesty international states that one of the three
was a pregnant girl from Tabokoto who died on the very night of her
beatings. Mr. Lamin Colley of Eboe town was beaten unconscious and left
for dead but miraculously recovered. This woeful day only four days before
polling day for the presidential Elections. The amnesty International
report concluded that:
"such deliberate use of cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment is
contrary to international standards and in particular The Gambia'
obligations under the International Covenant on Civil and Political
Rights"
The United Democratic Party for its part regards this premeditated act of
barbarism as a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. There is a strong evidence to
confirm that both the assualts along the highway and the ambush at Denton
bridge was perpetrated by elements of the STATE HOUSE GUARDS. There is
also irrefutable evidence that YANKUBA TOURAY was present at Denton Bridge
and was the officer supervising the beatings.
The United Democratic Party vehemently CONDEMNS these criminal and cowardly
acts and give NOTICE that it shall not tolerate any illegal persecutions
against its supporters AGAIN.
The incident which shall hereafter be referred to in the annals of our
history as THE DENTON BRIDGE AMBUSH shall never be forgotten. And it shall
never be forgotten until a satisfactory and comprehensive legal restitution
of the whole incident is established. THE UDP hereby repeats its call to
the Government to set up a judicial inquiry into the incident and punish
those responsible.
Ladies and Gentlemen, this maiden commemoration of the DENTON BRIDGE AMBUSH
will take the fromat of Koranic recital, Prayers and Meditations.
SUbsequent commemorations of this event may take different formats.
Individually, and collectively let us pray for the souls os all those who
died directly or indirectly at the hands of security forces. Mr. Sidia
Sagnia, Mr. Kebuteh jafuneh and others are the honourable martyrs of our
movement.
Let us party for a speedy and complete recovery for all those afflicted in
one way or the other at the cruel hands of the oppressor.
Finally let us pray that Allah strenghtens our faith, our determinatio and
our courage in the JIHAD the UNITED DEMOCRATIC PARTY has waged against
injustice, oppression, tyranny and the rapid degradation of moral and
ethical values. We pray for Allah's guidance in our supreme commitment to
Democratic ideals, respect for Human Rights, the Rule of the Law and
unfettered Freedom of the press as enshrined in the constitution.
SALAAMU -ALAIKUM- WARAHMATULAA TAALLA WABARAKATUHU- MAY GOD BLESS THE
GAMBIA.
United Democratic Party
The Gambia
Delivered by Lamin Waa Juwara
(Propaganda Secretary_
22 September 1999
At Party Headquarters
Banjul
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Rabbi is a wollof Female name.
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by: Shaikh Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaani
Translated by: Usama ibn Suhaib Hasan
The Prophet's Prayer
sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam from the beginning to the end as though =
you see it.
Asalaamu alaikum=20
Alhamdulillah, and we begin our lessons on the above topic from the =
foremost hadith scholar of the age, the defender of the Sunnah, Shaikh =
Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaani (may Allah protect him). He wrote:
Facing The Ka'bah=20
When the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) stood for =
prayer, he would face the Ka'bah in both obligatory and voluntary =
prayers1, and he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) ordered that, saying to =
the "one who prayed badly"2 : When you stand for prayer, perform =
ablution prefectly, then face the qiblah and say takbeer.3=20
"During a journey, he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would pray =
voluntary prayers and witr on his mount, wherever it faced carrying him =
[east or west]."4=20
The saying of Allaah, the Exalted, "Wherever you turn, there is the Face =
of Allaah" (Baqarah, 2:115) applies to this.5=20
"[Sometimes] when he intended to pray non-obligatory prayers on his =
she-camel, he would make it face the qiblah, say takbeer, and pray =
towards wherever his mount turned its face."6=20
"He would make rukoo' and sajdah on his mount by lowering his head, =
making the sajdah lower than the rukoo'."7=20
"When he intended to pray obligatory prayers, he would dismount and face =
the qiblah."8=20
In prayer during severe fear, he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) set the =
example for his ummah to pray "on foot, standing on their feet, or =
mounted; facing the qiblah or not facing it"9, and he also said, When =
they (the armies) meet, then it (i.e. the prayer) is takbeer and =
indication with the head.10=20
He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) also used to say: What is between the =
east and the west is qiblah.11=20
Jaabir (radiallaahu 'anhu) said:=20
"Once, when we were with the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa =
sallam) on an expedition, the sky was cloudy, so we tried to find the =
Qibla but we differed, so each one of us prayed in a different =
direction, and each of us drew marks in front of him in order to mark =
our positions. In the morning, we looked at it and found that we had not =
prayed towards the Qiblah. So we mentioned this to the Prophet =
(sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) [but he did not order us to repeat (the =
prayer)] and he said: Your prayer was sufficient."12=20
"He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to pray towards Bait =
al-Muqaddas [with the Ka'bah in front of him] before the following verse =
was revealed: "We see the turning of your faces to the heavens; now =
shall we turn you to a Qiblah that shall please you: turn then your =
faces in the direction of the Sacred Mosque" (Baqarah 2:144). When it =
was revealed he faced the Ka'bah. There were people at Qubaa' praying =
Fajr when someone came to them and said, 'Verily the Messenger of Allaah =
(sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) has had some of the Qur'aan revealed to =
him last night and he has been ordered to face the Ka'bah, [verily] so =
face it'. Their faces were towards Shaam, so they turned round [and =
their Imaam turned round to face the qiblah along with them]."13
Standing in Prayer
He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to stand in prayer for both =
obligatory and voluntary prayers, carrying out the command of the =
Exalted:=20
"And stand before Allaah devoutly." (Baqarah, 2:238).=20
As for during a journey, he would pray voluntary prayers on his riding =
beast.=20
He set the example for his ummah to pray during severe fear on foot or =
while mounted, as has been mentioned, and that is the purpose of the =
saying of Allaah:=20
"Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the Middle Prayer14, =
and stand before Allaah devoutly. If you fear (an enemy) then pray on =
foot, or while riding. But when you are in security, celebrate Allaah's =
praises in the manner He has taught you, which you did not know before." =
(Baqarah, 2:238-9)=20
He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) prayed sitting during the illness of =
which he died."15 He also prayed sitting on another occasion before =
that, when he was injured, and the people behind him prayed standing; so =
he indicated to them to sit, so they sat (and prayed). When he finished, =
he said, You were going to do as the Persians and the Romans do: stand =
for their kings who sit. So do not do so, for the Imaam is there to be =
followed: when he makes rukoo', make rukoo', when he rises, rise; and =
when he prays sitting, pray sitting [all of you].16=20
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The Prayer of a Sick Person in a Sitting Position=20
'Imran ibn Husain (radiallaahu 'anhu) said, "I was suffering from =
haemorrhoids (piles), so I asked the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu =
'alaihi wa sallam) and he said, Pray standing; if you are not able, then =
sitting down; if you are not able to do so, then pray lying down.17=20
'Imraan ibn Husain also said, "I asked him (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa =
sallam) about the prayer of a man while sitting, so he said: He who =
prays standing, that is better; he who prays sitting, his reward is half =
that of the former. He who prays lying down (and in another narration: =
reclining), has half the reward of the one who sits.18This applies to =
the sick person, for Anas (radiallaahu 'anhu) said, "The Messenger of =
Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) came out to the people while they =
were praying sitting due to illness, so he said: Verily, the prayer of =
one who sits is (worth) half of the prayer of the one who stands.19=20
Once "he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) visited a sick person and saw =
him praying (leaning) on a pillow, so he took it and cast it aside. So =
the man took a stick to pray (leaning) on it, but he took it and cast it =
aside and said: Pray on the ground if you can, but otherwise make =
movements with your head, making your sujood lower than your rukoo."20=20
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Prayer on a Ship=20
He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) was asked about prayer on a ship, so =
he said, Pray on it standing, unless you are afraid of drowning.21=20
When he grew old he took a support at his place of prayer to lean on22.=20
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Sitting and Standing in the Night Prayer (Tahajjud)=20
He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), used to pray long through the night =
standing, and long through the night sitting, and if he recited =
standing, he would bow standing, and if he recited sitting, he would bow =
sitting."23=20
Sometimes, "He would pray sitting, so he would recite sitting until =
about thirty or forty verses of his recitation wre left; he would then =
stand up to recite these standing and then bow and prostrate, and he =
would do likewise in the second raka'ah."24=20
In fact, "he prayed as-subhah25 sitting down towards the end of his life =
when he had grown old, and that was a year before his death."26=20
Also "he would sit cross-legged."27=20
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Prayer Wearing Shoes and the command to do so=20
"He used to stand (in prayer) bare-footed sometimes and wearing shoes =
sometimes."28=20
He allowed this for his ummah, saying: When one of you prays, he should =
wear his shoes or take them off and put them between his feet, and not =
harm others with them.29=20
He encouraged prayer wearing them sometimes, saying: Be different from =
the Jews, for they do not pray in their shoes nor in their khuffs =
(leather socks).30=20
Occasionally he would remove them from his feet while in prayer and then =
continue his prayer, as Abu Sa'eed al-Khudri has said:=20
"The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) prayed with us =
one day. Whilst he was engaged in the prayer he took off his shoes and =
placed them on his left. When the people saw this, they took off their =
shoes. When he finished his prayer he said, Why did you take your shoes =
off? They said, 'We saw you taking your shoes off, so we took our shoes =
off.' He said, Verily Jibreel came to me and informed me that there was =
dirt - or he said: something harmful - (in another narration: filth)on =
my shoes, so I took them off. Therefore, when one of you goes to the =
mosque, he should look at his shoes: if he sees in them dirt - or he =
said: something harmful - (in another narration: filth) he should wipe =
them and pray in them.31=20
"When he removed them, he would place them on his left"32 and he would =
also say: When one of you prays, he should not place his shoes on his =
right nor on his left, where they will be on someone else's right, =
except if there is no one on his left, but he should place them between =
his feet.33=20
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Prayer on the Pulpit (Minbar)=20
"Once he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) prayed on the pulpit (in =
another narration: '... which had three steps')34. Hence [he stood on it =
and said takbeer and the people behind him said takbeer while he was on =
the pulpit,] [then he made rukoo' on the pulpit,] then he rose and =
descended backwards to make sajdah at the foot of the pulpit. Then he =
returned, [and did on it as he had done in the first rak'ah], until he =
completed his prayer. He then turned to the people and said: O people! I =
have done this so that you may follow me and learn my prayer.35=20
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The Sutrah36, and the Obligation to have one=20
"He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to stand near to the sutrah, so =
that there was (a distance of) three cubits between him and the wall"37 =
and "between the place of his prostration and the wall, (there was) =
enough space for a sheep to pass."38=20
He used to say: "Do not pray except towards a sutrah, and do not let =
anyone pass in front of you, but if someone continues (to try to pass) =
then fight him, for he has a companion (i.e. a shaytaan) with him."39=20
He would also say: "When one of you prays towards a sutrah, he should =
get close to it so that Shaytaan cannot break his prayer."40=20
Sometimes "he would seek to pray at the pillar which was in his =
mosque."41=20
"When he prayed [in an open space where there was nothing to use as =
sutrah] he would plant a spear in the ground in front of him and pray =
towards it with the people behind him"42; Sometimes "he would to set his =
mount sideways and pray towards it"43 but this is not the same as prayer =
in the resting-place of camels44, which "he forbade"45, and sometimes =
"he would take his saddle; set it lengthways and pray towards its =
end."46=20
He would say: When one of you places in front of him something such as =
the stick on the end of a saddle, he should pray and not mind anyone who =
passes beyond it.47=20
Once "he prayed towards a tree"48 and sometimes "he would pray towards =
the bed on which 'Aa'ishah (radi Allaahu anhaa) was lying [under her =
sheet]."49=20
He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), would not let anything pass between =
him and his sutrah, hence once "he was praying, when a sheep came =
running in front of him, so he raced it until he pressed his belly =
against the wall [and it passed behind him]."50=20
Also, once "while praying an obligatory prayer, he clenched his fist =
(during it), so when he had finished, the people said: 'O Messenger of =
Allaah, did something happen during the prayer?' He said: No, except =
that the devil wanted to pass in front of me, so I strangled him until I =
could feel the coldness of his tongue on my hand By Allaah! Had my =
brother Sulaimaan not beaten me to it51, I would have tied him (the =
devil) to one of the pillars of the mosque so that the children of =
Madinah could walk round him. [So whoever can prevent something =
intervening between him and the qiblah, he must do so]."52=20
He also used to say:=20
When one of you prays towards something which is a sutrah between him =
and the people and someone intends to cross in front of him, then he =
should push him in the throat [and repel, as much as he can], (in one =
narration: he should stop him, twice) but if he refuses (to not pass) =
then he should fight him, for verily he is a devil.53=20
He also used to say: If the person who passed in front of someone =
praying knew (the sin) on him, it would be better for him to wait forty =
than to pass in front. (Abu an-Nadr said, "I do not remember exactly =
whether he said forty days, months or years.").54=20
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What Breaks the Prayer=20
He used to say: A man's prayer is cut off when there is nothing such as =
the end of a saddle in front of him, by: a [menstruating]55 woman, a =
donkey or a black dog. Abu Dharr said, 'I said: "O Messenger of Allaah, =
why the black dog rather than the red one?" He said, The black dog is a =
shaytaan.56=20
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Prohibition of Prayer Facing the Grave=20
He used to forbid prayer facing the grave, saying: Do not pray towards =
the graves, and do not sit on them.57.....
1 This is a mutawaatir fact, so detail is not necessaary, although some =
of the evidence for it will follow.=20
2 see Appendix 3.=20
3 Collected by Bukhaari, Muslim & Siraaj.=20
4 Collected by Bukhaari, Muslim & Siraaj. Its takhreej is given in =
Irwaa' al-Ghaleel (289 & 588)=20
5 Muslim; Tirmidhi declared it saheeh.=20
6 Abu Daawood, Ibn Hibbaan in Thiqaat (1/12), Diyaa' in Mukhtaarah with =
a hasan sanad,; Ibn as-Sukn declared it saheeh, as did Ibn Al-Mulaqqin =
in Khulasah Badr al-Muneer (22/1) and, before them, `Abdul Haqq =
al-Ishbeeli in his Ahkaam (no. 1394 with my checking). Ahmad used it as =
proof, as Ibn Haani reported from him in his Masaa'il (1/67).=20
7 Ahmad & Tirmidhi , who declared it saheeh.=20
8 Bukhaari & Ahmad.=20
9 Bukhaari & Muslim.=20
10 Baihaqi with a sanad meeting the requirements of Bukhaari and Muslim. =
11 Tirmidhi and Haakim, who declared it saheeh, and I have given it in =
Irwaa' al-Ghaleel (292), the publication of which Allaah has made easy.=20
12 Daaraqutni, Haakim, Baihaqi, Tirmidhi, Ibn Maajah & Tabaraani; it is =
given in Irwaa' (296)=20
13 Bukhaari, Muslim, Ahmad, Siraaj, Tabaraani (3/108/2) & Ibn Sa`d =
(1/234). It is also in Irwaa' (290)=20
14 i.e..,the `Asr prayer according to the correct saying of the majority =
of scholars, among them Abu Haneefah and his two students. There are =
ahaadeeth about this which Ibn Katheer has given in his Tafseer of the =
Qur'aan.=20
15 Tirmidhi, who declared it saheeh, and Ahmad.=20
16 Muslim and Bukhaari, and it is given in my book Irwaa' al-Ghaleel =
under Hadeeth 394.=20
17 Bukhaari, Abu Daawood and Ahmad.=20
18 ibid. Khattaabi said, "The meaning of `Imran's hadeeth is intended =
for a sick person who is able to undergo hardship and stand with =
difficulty. Hence the reward of praying sitting has been made half of =
the reward of praying standing: encouraging him to pray standing while =
allowing him to sit." Ibn Hajr said in Fath al-Baari (2/468): "This =
deduction is valid".=20
19 Ahmad & Ibn Maajah with a saheeh sanad.=20
20 Tabaraani, Bazzaar, Ibn as-Samaak in his hadeeth book (67/2) & =
Baihaqi . It has a saheeh isnaad as I have explained in Silsilah =
al-Ahaadeeth as-Saheehah (323).=20
21 Bazzaar (68), Daaraqutni, `Abdul Ghani al-Maqdisi in his Sunan (82/2) =
and Haakim declared it saheeh and Dhahabi agreed.=20
22 Abu Daawood and Haakim, who declared it saheeh, as did Dhahabi. I =
have given it in as-Saheehah (319) and Irwaa' (383)=20
23 Muslim and Abu Daawood.=20
24 Bukhaari and Muslim.=20
25i.e. voluntary prayer (night or forenoon), named so due to its content =
of tasbeeh (glorification).=20
26 Muslim and Ahmad.=20
27 Nasaa'i, Ibn Khuzaimah in his Saheeh (1/107/2), `Abdul Ghani =
al-Maqdisi in his Sunan (80/1) & Haakim, who declared it saheeh and =
Dhahabi agreed.=20
28 Abu Daawood & Ibn Maajah. It is a mutawatir hadeeth as Tahaawi has =
mentioned.=20
29 Abu Daawood & Bazzaar (53, az-Zawa'id); Haakim declared it saheeh and =
Dhahabi agreed.=20
30 ibid.=20
31 Abu Daawood, Ibn Khuzaimah & Haakim, who declared it saheeh and =
Dhahabi and Nawawi agreed. The first one is given in Irwaa' (284)=20
32 ibid.=20
33 Abu Daawood, Nasaa'i & Ibn Khuzaimah (1/110/2) with a saheeh isnaad.=20
34 This is the sunnah about the pulpit: that it should have three steps, =
not more, To have more is an innovation, from the period of Bani =
Umayyah, which often causes an interruption in the row, and to get out =
of that by having it in the western corner of the mosque or in the =
mihrab is another innovation, as is the raising of it in the wall like a =
balcony to which one ascends by means of steps in the wall! Whereas the =
best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa =
sallam). See Fath al-Baari (2/331).=20
35 Bukhaari , Muslim (who collected the other narration) & Ibn Sa`d =
(1/253). It is given in Irwaa' (545)=20
36lit., "screen, cover"; in the context of prayer, it refers to an =
object just beyond the place of prostration, within which nothing should =
pass, as is detailed in this section.=20
37 Bukhaari & Ahmad.=20
38 Bukhaari & Muslim.=20
39 Ibn Khuzaimah in his Saheeh (1/93/1) with a sound isnaad.=20
40 Abu Daawood, Bazzaar (p. 54 - Zawaaid) & Haakim, who declared it =
saheeh and Dhahabi and Nawawi agreed.=20
41 Bukhaari. The sutrah is a must for the Imaam or a person praying =
alone, even in a large mosque. Ibn Haani said in his Masaa'il from Imaam =
Ahmad (1/66): "Abu `Abdullaah (i.e. Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal) saw me one =
day when I was praying without a sutrah in front of me, and I was in a =
(large) congregational mosque, so he said to me: `Take something as a =
sutrah', so I took a man as a sutrah." This contains an indication that =
Imaam Ahmad did not differentiate between big or small mosques in taking =
a sutrah - and that is surely correct, but this is something neglected =
by most people, including imaams of mosques, in every land that I have =
visited, including Arabia which I was able to tour in Rajab of this year =
(1410), so the `ulamaa should tell the people and advise them of this, =
explaining its ruling and that it is also required in the Two Sacred =
Mosques.=20
42 Bukhaari, Muslim & Ibn Maajah=20
43 Bukhaari & Ahmad.=20
44 i.e., their kneeling place.=20
45 Bukhaari & Ahmad.=20
46 Muslim, Ibn Khuzaimah (92/2) & Ahmad.=20
47 Muslim & Abu Daawood.=20
48 Nasaa'i & Ahmad with a saheeh isnaad.=20
49 Bukhaari , Muslim & Abu Ya`laa (3/1107).=20
50 Ibn Khuzaimah in his Saheeh (1/95/1), Tabaraani (3/140/3) & Haakim =
who declared it saheeh and Dhahabi agreed.=20
51Referring to the following prayer of the Prophet Sulaimaan (`alaihis =
salaam) which was answered by Allaah, as described in the Qur'aan: "My =
Lord! Forgive me, and grant me sovereignty not allowed to anyone after =
me, for You are indeed the Granter of Bounties. So we subjected to his =
power: the Wind, gently flowing to his order, wherever he wished; and =
the devils, every kind of builder and diver, and also others bound =
together in fetters." (Saad 38: 35-38)=20
52 Ahmad, Daaraqutni & Tabari with a saheeh isnaad, and similar in =
meaning to this hadeeth is found in Bukhaari and Muslim and others on =
the authority of several Companions. It is one of the many ahaadeeth =
which the Qadiani group disbelieve, for they do not believe in the world =
of the jinn which is mentioned in the Qur'aan and the Sunnah. Their =
method of discarding the texts is well-known: if it is from the Qur'aan, =
they change its meaning e.g. the saying of the Exalted "Say, it has been =
revealed to me that a group of jinns listened" (72:1); they say "i.e. a =
group of humans"! making the word "jinn" synonymous with "human"! Hence =
they play with the language and the religion; if it is from the Sunnah, =
then if it is possible for them to change it with a false interpretation =
they do so, otherwise they find it easy to declare it to be false, even =
if all the Imaams of Hadeeth and the whole ummah behind them are agreed =
on its authenticity, nay its being mutawaatir. May Allaah guide them.=20
53 Bukhaari & Muslim, and the additional narration is from Ibn Khuzaimah =
(1/94/1).=20
54 ibid.=20
55 i.e. mature, and what is meant by `cut off' is `rendered futile'. As =
regards the hadeeth: "Nothing cuts off the prayer", then it is a weak =
hadeeth as I have shown in Tamaam al-Minnah (p. 306).=20
56 Muslim, Abu Daawood and Ibn Khuzaimah (1/95/2).=20
57 ibid.
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Alhamdulillah, and we begin our =
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He wrote:</FONT></DIV>
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<H1><FONT size=3D+5><A name=3DRTFToC2>Facing The Ka'bah =
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><FONT=20
size=3D-2>1</FONT></SUP></A>, and he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) =
ordered that,=20
saying to the "one who prayed badly"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/03_fn.html#fn01"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>2</FONT></SUP></A> : When you stand for prayer, perform =
ablution=20
prefectly, then face the qiblah and say takbeer.<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/03_fn.html#fn02"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>3</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>"During a journey, he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would pray =
voluntary=20
prayers and witr on his mount, wherever it faced carrying him [east or =
west]."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/03_fn.html#fn03"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>4</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>The saying of Allaah, the Exalted, <TT>"Wherever you turn, there is =
the Face=20
of Allaah"</TT> (Baqarah, 2:115) applies to this.<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/03_fn.html#fn04"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>5</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>"[Sometimes] when he intended to pray non-obligatory prayers on his=20
she-camel, he would make it face the qiblah, say takbeer, and pray =
towards=20
wherever his mount turned its face."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/03_fn.html#fn05"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>6</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>"He would make rukoo' and sajdah on his mount by lowering his head, =
making=20
the sajdah lower than the rukoo'."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/03_fn.html#fn06"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>7</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>"When he intended to pray obligatory prayers, he would dismount and =
face the=20
qiblah."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/03_fn.html#fn07"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>8</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>In prayer during severe fear, he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) set =
the=20
example for his ummah to pray "on foot, standing on their feet, or =
mounted;=20
facing the qiblah or not facing it"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/03_fn.html#fn08"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>9</FONT></SUP></A>, and he also said, <B>When they (the =
armies) meet,=20
then it (i.e. the prayer) is takbeer and indication with the head.</B><A =
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/03_fn.html#fn09"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>10</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) also used to say: <B>What is =
between the=20
east and the west is qiblah.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/03_fn.html#fn10"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>11</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Jaabir (radiallaahu 'anhu) said:=20
<P>"Once, when we were with the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi =
wa=20
sallam) on an expedition, the sky was cloudy, so we tried to find the =
Qibla but=20
we differed, so each one of us prayed in a different direction, and each =
of us=20
drew marks in front of him in order to mark our positions. In the =
morning, we=20
looked at it and found that we had not prayed towards the Qiblah. So we=20
mentioned this to the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) [but he =
did not=20
order us to repeat (the prayer)] and he said: <B>Your prayer was=20
sufficient.</B>"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/03_fn.html#fn11"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>12</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>"He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to pray towards Bait =
al-Muqaddas=20
[with the Ka'bah in front of him] before the following verse was =
revealed:=20
"<TT>We see the turning of your faces to the heavens; now shall we turn =
you to a=20
Qiblah that shall please you: turn then your faces in the direction of =
the=20
Sacred Mosque"</TT> (Baqarah 2:144). When it was revealed he faced the =
Ka'bah.=20
There were people at Qubaa' praying Fajr when someone came to them and =
said,=20
'Verily the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) has had =
some of=20
the Qur'aan revealed to him last night and he has been ordered to face =
the=20
Ka'bah, [verily] so face it'. Their faces were towards Shaam, so they =
turned=20
round [and their Imaam turned round to face the qiblah along with =
them]."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/03_fn.html#fn12"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>13</FONT></SUP></A></P>
<H1><FONT size=3D+5><A name=3DRTFToC1>Standing in Prayer</A></FONT></H1>
<P>He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to stand in prayer for both=20
obligatory and voluntary prayers, carrying out the command of the =
Exalted: </P>
<P><TT>"And stand before Allaah devoutly."</TT> (Baqarah, 2:238).=20
<P>As for during a journey, he would pray voluntary prayers on his =
riding beast.=20
<P>He set the example for his ummah to pray during severe fear on foot =
or while=20
mounted, as has been mentioned, and that is the purpose of the saying of =
Allaah:=20
<P><TT>"Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the Middle =
Prayer<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn13"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>14</FONT></SUP></A>, and stand before Allaah devoutly. If you =
fear (an=20
enemy) then pray on foot, or while riding. But when you are in security, =
celebrate Allaah's praises in the manner He has taught you, which you =
did not=20
know before." </TT>(Baqarah, 2:238-9)=20
<P>He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) prayed sitting during the illness =
of which=20
he died."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn14"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>15</FONT></SUP></A> He also prayed sitting on another occasion =
before=20
that, when he was injured, and the people behind him prayed standing; so =
he=20
indicated to them to sit, so they sat (and prayed). When he finished, he =
said,=20
<B>You were going to do as the Persians and the Romans do: stand for =
their kings=20
who sit. So do not do so, for the Imaam is there to be followed: when he =
makes=20
rukoo', make rukoo', when he rises, rise; and when he prays sitting, =
pray=20
sitting [all of you].</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn15"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>16</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR>
<HR noShade SIZE=3D5>
<P><BR> </P>
<CENTER>
<H2><FONT size=3D+3><A name=3DRTFToC2>The Prayer of a Sick Person in a =
Sitting=20
Position </A></FONT></H2></CENTER>
<P>'Imran ibn Husain (radiallaahu 'anhu) said, "I was suffering from=20
haemorrhoids (piles), so I asked the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu =
'alaihi wa=20
sallam) and he said, <B>Pray standing; if you are not able, then sitting =
down;=20
if you are not able to do so, then pray lying down.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn16"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>17</FONT></SUP></A> </P>
<P>'Imraan ibn Husain also said, "I asked him (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa =
sallam)=20
about the prayer of a man while sitting, so he said: <B>He who prays =
standing,=20
that is better; he who prays sitting, his reward is half that of the =
former. He=20
who prays lying down (and in another narration: reclining), has half the =
reward=20
of the one who sits.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn17"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>18</FONT></SUP></A>This applies to the sick person, for Anas=20
(radiallaahu 'anhu) said, "The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi =
wa=20
sallam) came out to the people while they were praying sitting due to =
illness,=20
so he said: <B>Verily, the prayer of one who sits is (worth) half of the =
prayer=20
of the one who stands.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn18"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>19</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Once "he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) visited a sick person and =
saw him=20
praying (leaning) on a pillow, so he took it and cast it aside. So the =
man took=20
a stick to pray (leaning) on it, but he took it and cast it aside and =
said:=20
<B>Pray on the ground if you can, but otherwise make movements with your =
head,=20
making your sujood lower than your rukoo.</B>"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn19"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>20</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR>
<HR noShade SIZE=3D5>
<P><BR> </P>
<CENTER>
<H2><FONT size=3D+3><A name=3DRTFToC3>Prayer on a Ship =
</A></FONT></H2></CENTER>
<P>He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) was asked about prayer on a ship, =
so he=20
said, <B>Pray on it standing, unless you are afraid of drowning.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn20"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>21</FONT></SUP></A> </P>
<P>When he grew old he took a support at his place of prayer to lean =
on<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn21"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>22</FONT></SUP></A>. <BR><BR>
<HR noShade SIZE=3D5>
<P><BR> </P>
<CENTER>
<H2><FONT size=3D+3><A name=3DRTFToC4>Sitting and Standing in the Night =
Prayer=20
(Tahajjud) </A></FONT></H2></CENTER>
<P>He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), used to pray long through the =
night=20
standing, and long through the night sitting, and if he recited =
standing, he=20
would bow standing, and if he recited sitting, he would bow sitting."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn22"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>23</FONT></SUP></A> </P>
<P>Sometimes, "He would pray sitting, so he would recite sitting until =
about=20
thirty or forty verses of his recitation wre left; he would then stand =
up to=20
recite these standing and then bow and prostrate, and he would do =
likewise in=20
the second raka'ah."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn23"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>24</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>In fact, "he prayed as-subhah<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn24"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>25</FONT></SUP></A> sitting down towards the end of his life =
when he had=20
grown old, and that was a year before his death."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn25"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>26</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Also "he would sit cross-legged."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn26"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>27</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR>
<HR noShade SIZE=3D5>
<P><BR> </P>
<CENTER>
<H2><FONT size=3D+3><A name=3DRTFToC5>Prayer Wearing Shoes and the =
command to do so=20
</A></FONT></H2></CENTER>
<P>"He used to stand (in prayer) bare-footed sometimes and wearing shoes =
sometimes."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn27"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>28</FONT></SUP></A> </P>
<P>He allowed this for his ummah, saying: <B>When one of you prays, he =
should=20
wear his shoes or take them off and put them between his feet, and not =
harm=20
others with them.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn28"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>29</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He encouraged prayer wearing them sometimes, saying: <B>Be different =
from the=20
Jews, for they do not pray in their shoes nor in their khuffs (leather=20
socks).</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn29"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>30</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Occasionally he would remove them from his feet while in prayer and =
then=20
continue his prayer, as Abu Sa'eed al-Khudri has said:=20
<P>"The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) prayed with =
us one=20
day. Whilst he was engaged in the prayer he took off his shoes and =
placed them=20
on his left. When the people saw this, they took off their shoes. When =
he=20
finished his prayer he said, <B>Why did you take your shoes off?</B> =
They said,=20
'We saw you taking your shoes off, so we took our shoes off.' He said, =
<B>Verily=20
Jibreel came to me and informed me that there was dirt - or he said: =
something=20
harmful - (in another narration: filth)on my shoes, so I took them off.=20
Therefore, when one of you goes to the mosque, he should look at his =
shoes: if=20
he sees in them dirt - or he said: something harmful - (in another =
narration:=20
filth) he should wipe them and pray in them.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn30"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>31</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>"When he removed them, he would place them on his left"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn31"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>32</FONT></SUP></A> and he would also say: When one of you =
prays, he=20
should not place his shoes on his right nor on his left, where they will =
be on=20
someone else's right, except if there is no one on his left, but he =
should place=20
them between his feet.<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn32"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>33</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR>
<HR noShade SIZE=3D5>
<P><BR> </P>
<CENTER>
<H2><FONT size=3D+3><A name=3DRTFToC6>Prayer on the Pulpit (Minbar)=20
</A></FONT></H2></CENTER>
<P>"Once he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) prayed on the pulpit (in =
another=20
narration: '... which had three steps')<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn33"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>34</FONT></SUP></A>. Hence [he stood on it and said takbeer =
and the=20
people behind him said takbeer while he was on the pulpit,] [then he =
made rukoo'=20
on the pulpit,] then he rose and descended backwards to make sajdah at =
the foot=20
of the pulpit. Then he returned, [and did on it as he had done in the =
first=20
rak'ah], until he completed his prayer. He then turned to the people and =
said:=20
<B>O people! I have done this so that you may follow me and learn my=20
prayer.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn34"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>35</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR></P>
<HR noShade SIZE=3D5>
<P><BR> </P>
<CENTER>
<H2><FONT size=3D+3><A name=3DRTFToC7>The Sutrah<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn35"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>36</FONT></SUP></A>, and the Obligation to have one=20
</A></FONT></H2></CENTER>
<P>"He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to stand near to the sutrah, =
so that=20
there was (a distance of) three cubits between him and the wall"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn36"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>37</FONT></SUP></A> and "between the place of his prostration =
and the=20
wall, (there was) enough space for a sheep to pass."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn37"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>38</FONT></SUP></A> </P>
<P>He used to say: <B>"Do not pray except towards a sutrah, and do not =
let=20
anyone pass in front of you, but if someone continues (to try to pass) =
then=20
fight him, for he has a companion (i.e. a shaytaan) with him."</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn38"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>39</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He would also say: "<B>When one of you prays towards a sutrah, he =
should get=20
close to it so that Shaytaan cannot break his prayer."</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn39"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>40</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Sometimes "he would seek to pray at the pillar which was in his =
mosque."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn40"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>41</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>"When he prayed [in an open space where there was nothing to use as =
sutrah]=20
he would plant a spear in the ground in front of him and pray towards it =
with=20
the people behind him"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn41"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>42</FONT></SUP></A>; Sometimes "he would to set his mount =
sideways and=20
pray towards it"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn42"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>43</FONT></SUP></A> but this is not the same as prayer in the=20
resting-place of camels<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn43"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>44</FONT></SUP></A>, which "he forbade"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn44"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>45</FONT></SUP></A>, and sometimes "he would take his saddle; =
set it=20
lengthways and pray towards its end."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn45"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>46</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He would say: <B>When one of you places in front of him something =
such as the=20
stick on the end of a saddle, he should pray and not mind anyone who =
passes=20
beyond it.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn46"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>47</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Once "he prayed towards a tree"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn47"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>48</FONT></SUP></A> and sometimes "he would pray towards the =
bed on=20
which 'Aa'ishah (radi Allaahu anhaa) was lying [under her sheet]."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn48"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>49</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), would not let anything pass =
between him=20
and his sutrah, hence once "he was praying, when a sheep came running in =
front=20
of him, so he raced it until he pressed his belly against the wall [and =
it=20
passed behind him]."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn49"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>50</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Also, once "while praying an obligatory prayer, he clenched his fist =
(during=20
it), so when he had finished, the people said: 'O Messenger of Allaah, =
did=20
something happen during the prayer?' He said: <B>No, except that the =
devil=20
wanted to pass in front of me, so I strangled him until I could feel the =
coldness of his tongue on my hand By Allaah! Had my brother Sulaimaan =
not beaten=20
me to it</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn50"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>51</FONT></SUP></A>,<B> I would have tied him (the devil) to =
one of the=20
pillars of the mosque so that the children of Madinah could walk round =
him.=20
</B>[So whoever can prevent something intervening between him and the =
qiblah, he=20
must do so]."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn51"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>52</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He also used to say:=20
<P><B>When one of you prays towards something which is a sutrah between =
him and=20
the people and someone intends to cross in front of him, then he should =
push him=20
in the throat [and repel, as much as he can], (in one narration: he =
should stop=20
him, twice) but if he refuses (to not pass) then he should fight him, =
for verily=20
he is a devil.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn52"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>53</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He also used to say: If the person who passed in front of someone =
praying=20
knew (the sin) on him, it would be better for him to wait forty than to =
pass in=20
front. (Abu an-Nadr said, "I do not remember exactly whether he said =
forty days,=20
months or years.").<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn53"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>54</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR>
<HR noShade SIZE=3D5>
<P><BR> </P>
<CENTER>
<H2><FONT size=3D+3><A name=3DRTFToC8>What Breaks the Prayer=20
</A></FONT></H2></CENTER>
<P>He used to say: <B>A man's prayer is cut off when there is nothing =
such as=20
the end of a saddle in front of him, by: a [menstruating]</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn54"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>55</FONT></SUP></A> <B>woman, a donkey or a black dog.</B> Abu =
Dharr=20
said, 'I said: "O Messenger of Allaah, why the black dog rather than the =
red=20
one?" He said, <B>The black dog is a shaytaan.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn55"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>56</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR></P>
<HR noShade SIZE=3D5>
<P><BR> </P>
<CENTER>
<H2><FONT size=3D+3><A name=3DRTFToC9>Prohibition of Prayer Facing the =
Grave=20
</A></FONT></H2></CENTER>
<P>He used to forbid prayer facing the grave, saying: <B>Do not pray =
towards the=20
graves, and do not sit on them.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/04_fn.html#fn56"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>57</FONT></SUP></A><STRONG>.....</STRONG></P><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff>
<P><SUP><U><A name=3Dfn00><FONT size=3D+1><B>1</B></FONT></A> This is a=20
<TT>mutawaatir</TT> fact, so detail is not necessaary, although some of =
the=20
evidence for it will follow. </U></SUP>
<P><SUP><U><A name=3Dfn01><FONT size=3D+1><B>2</B></FONT></A> see =
Appendix 3.=20
</U></SUP>
<P><SUP><U><A name=3Dfn02><FONT size=3D+1><B>3</B></FONT></A> Collected =
by Bukhaari,=20
Muslim & Siraaj. </U></SUP>
<P><SUP><U><A name=3Dfn03><FONT size=3D+1><B>4</B></FONT></A> Collected =
by Bukhaari,=20
Muslim & Siraaj. Its takhreej is given in <TT>Irwaa' al-Ghaleel =
</TT>(289=20
& 588) </U></SUP>
<P><SUP><U><A name=3Dfn04><FONT size=3D+1><B>5</B></FONT></A> Muslim; =
Tirmidhi=20
declared it saheeh. </U></SUP>
<P><SUP><U><A name=3Dfn05><FONT size=3D+1><B>6</B></FONT></A> Abu =
Daawood, Ibn=20
Hibbaan in <TT>Thiqaat </TT>(1/12), Diyaa' in <TT>Mukhtaarah</TT> with a =
hasan=20
sanad,; Ibn as-Sukn declared it saheeh, as did Ibn Al-Mulaqqin in =
<TT>Khulasah=20
Badr al-Muneer </TT>(22/1) and, before them, `Abdul Haqq al-Ishbeeli in =
his=20
<TT>Ahkaam</TT> (no. 1394 with my checking). Ahmad used it as proof, as =
Ibn=20
Haani reported from him in his <TT>Masaa'il </TT>(1/67). </U></SUP>
<P><SUP><U><A name=3Dfn06><FONT size=3D+1><B>7</B></FONT></A> Ahmad =
& Tirmidhi ,=20
who declared it saheeh. </U></SUP>
<P><SUP><U><A name=3Dfn07><FONT size=3D+1><B>8</B></FONT></A> Bukhaari =
& Ahmad.=20
</U></SUP>
<P><SUP><U><A name=3Dfn08><FONT size=3D+1><B>9</B></FONT></A> Bukhaari =
& Muslim.=20
</U></SUP>
<P><A name=3Dfn09><SUP><U><FONT size=3D+1><B>10</B></FONT> Baihaqi with =
a sanad=20
meeting the requirements of Bukhaari and Muslim. </U></SUP>
<P></A><SUP><U><A name=3Dfn10><FONT size=3D+1><B>11</B></FONT></A> =
Tirmidhi and=20
Haakim, who declared it saheeh, and I have given it in <TT>Irwaa'</TT>=20
<TT>al-Ghaleel</TT> (292), the publication of which Allaah has made =
easy.=20
</U></SUP>
<P><A name=3Dfn11><SUP><U><FONT size=3D+1><B>12</B></FONT> Daaraqutni, =
Haakim,=20
Baihaqi, Tirmidhi, Ibn Maajah & Tabaraani; it is given in <TT>Irwaa' =
</TT>(296) </U></SUP>
<P></A><SUP><U><A name=3Dfn12><FONT size=3D+1><B>13</B></FONT></A> =
Bukhaari, Muslim,=20
Ahmad, Siraaj, Tabaraani (3/108/2) & Ibn Sa`d (1/234). It is also in =
<TT>Irwaa'</TT> (290) </U></SUP></P><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D3>
<P><A name=3Dfn13><FONT size=3D+1><B>14</B></FONT></A> i.e..,the `Asr =
prayer=20
according to the correct saying of the majority of scholars, among them =
Abu=20
Haneefah and his two students. There are ahaadeeth about this which Ibn =
Katheer=20
has given in his Tafseer of the Qur'aan.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn14><FONT size=3D+1><B>15</B></FONT></A> Tirmidhi, who =
declared it=20
saheeh, and Ahmad.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn15><FONT size=3D+1><B>16</B></FONT></A> Muslim and =
Bukhaari, and it=20
is given in my book <TT>Irwaa' al-Ghaleel </TT>under Hadeeth 394.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn16><FONT size=3D+1><B>17</B></FONT></A> Bukhaari, Abu =
Daawood and=20
Ahmad.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn17><FONT size=3D+1><B>18</B></FONT></A> ibid. Khattaabi =
said, "The=20
meaning of `Imran's hadeeth is intended for a sick person who is able to =
undergo=20
hardship and stand with difficulty. Hence the reward of praying sitting =
has been=20
made half of the reward of praying standing: encouraging him to pray =
standing=20
while allowing him to sit." Ibn Hajr said in <TT>Fath al-Baari =
</TT>(2/468):=20
"This deduction is valid".=20
<P><A name=3Dfn18><FONT size=3D+1><B>19</B></FONT></A> Ahmad & Ibn =
Maajah with a=20
saheeh sanad.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn19><FONT size=3D+1><B>20</B></FONT></A> Tabaraani, =
Bazzaar, Ibn=20
as-Samaak in his hadeeth book (67/2) & Baihaqi . It has a saheeh =
isnaad as I=20
have explained in <TT>Silsilah al-Ahaadeeth as-Saheehah</TT> (323).=20
<P><A name=3Dfn20><FONT size=3D+1><B>21</B></FONT></A> Bazzaar (68), =
Daaraqutni,=20
`Abdul Ghani al-Maqdisi in his Sunan (82/2) and Haakim declared it =
saheeh and=20
Dhahabi agreed.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn21><FONT size=3D+1><B>22</B></FONT></A> Abu Daawood and =
Haakim, who=20
declared it saheeh, as did Dhahabi. I have given it in =
<TT>as-Saheehah</TT>=20
(319) and <TT>Irwaa'</TT> (383)=20
<P><A name=3Dfn22><FONT size=3D+1><B>23</B></FONT></A> Muslim and Abu =
Daawood.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn23><FONT size=3D+1><B>24</B></FONT></A> Bukhaari and =
Muslim.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn24><FONT size=3D+1><B>25</B></FONT></A>i.e. voluntary =
prayer (night=20
or forenoon), named so due to its content of <TT>tasbeeh</TT> =
(glorification).=20
<P><A name=3Dfn25><FONT size=3D+1><B>26</B></FONT></A> Muslim and Ahmad. =
<P><A name=3Dfn26><FONT size=3D+1><B>27</B></FONT></A> Nasaa'i, Ibn =
Khuzaimah in his=20
Saheeh (1/107/2), `Abdul Ghani al-Maqdisi in his Sunan (80/1) & =
Haakim, who=20
declared it saheeh and Dhahabi agreed.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn27><FONT size=3D+1><B>28</B></FONT></A> Abu Daawood & =
Ibn Maajah.=20
It is a mutawatir hadeeth as Tahaawi has mentioned.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn28><FONT size=3D+1><B>29</B></FONT></A> Abu Daawood & =
Bazzaar=20
(53, az-Zawa'id); Haakim declared it saheeh and Dhahabi agreed.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn29><FONT size=3D+1><B>30</B></FONT></A> ibid.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn30><FONT size=3D+1><B>31</B></FONT></A> Abu Daawood, Ibn =
Khuzaimah=20
& Haakim, who declared it saheeh and Dhahabi and Nawawi agreed. The =
first=20
one is given in <TT>Irwaa'</TT> (284)=20
<P><A name=3Dfn31><FONT size=3D+1><B>32</B></FONT></A> ibid.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn32><FONT size=3D+1><B>33</B></FONT></A> Abu Daawood, =
Nasaa'i &=20
Ibn Khuzaimah (1/110/2) with a saheeh isnaad.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn33><FONT size=3D+1><B>34</B></FONT></A> This is the =
sunnah about the=20
pulpit: that it should have three steps, not more, To have more is an=20
innovation, from the period of Bani Umayyah, which often causes an =
interruption=20
in the row, and to get out of that by having it in the western corner of =
the=20
mosque or in the mihrab is another innovation, as is the raising of it =
in the=20
wall like a balcony to which one ascends by means of steps in the wall! =
Whereas=20
the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa =
sallam).=20
See <TT>Fath al-Baari </TT>(2/331).=20
<P><A name=3Dfn34><FONT size=3D+1><B>35</B></FONT></A> Bukhaari , Muslim =
(who=20
collected the other narration) & Ibn Sa`d (1/253). It is given in=20
<TT>Irwaa'</TT> (545)=20
<P><A name=3Dfn35><FONT size=3D+1><B>36</B></FONT></A>lit., "screen, =
cover"; in the=20
context of prayer, it refers to an object just beyond the place of =
prostration,=20
within which nothing should pass, as is detailed in this section.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn36><FONT size=3D+1><B>37</B></FONT></A> Bukhaari & =
Ahmad.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn37><FONT size=3D+1><B>38</B></FONT></A> Bukhaari & =
Muslim.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn38><FONT size=3D+1><B>39</B></FONT></A> Ibn Khuzaimah in =
his Saheeh=20
(1/93/1) with a sound isnaad.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn39><FONT size=3D+1><B>40</B></FONT></A> Abu Daawood, =
Bazzaar (p. 54 -=20
Zawaaid) & Haakim, who declared it saheeh and Dhahabi and Nawawi =
agreed.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn40><FONT size=3D+1><B>41</B></FONT></A> Bukhaari. The =
sutrah is a=20
must for the Imaam or a person praying alone, even in a large mosque. =
Ibn Haani=20
said in his <TT>Masaa'il from Imaam Ahmad</TT> (1/66): "Abu `Abdullaah =
(i.e.=20
Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal) saw me one day when I was praying without a =
sutrah in=20
front of me, and I was in a (large) congregational mosque, so he said to =
me:=20
`Take something as a sutrah', so I took a man as a sutrah." This =
contains an=20
indication that Imaam Ahmad did not differentiate between big or small =
mosques=20
in taking a sutrah - and that is surely correct, but this is something =
neglected=20
by most people, including imaams of mosques, in every land that I have =
visited,=20
including Arabia which I was able to tour in Rajab of this year (1410), =
so the=20
`ulamaa should tell the people and advise them of this, explaining its =
ruling=20
and that it is also required in the Two Sacred Mosques.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn41><FONT size=3D+1><B>42</B></FONT></A> Bukhaari, Muslim =
& Ibn=20
Maajah=20
<P><A name=3Dfn42><FONT size=3D+1><B>43</B></FONT></A> Bukhaari & =
Ahmad.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn43><FONT size=3D+1><B>44</B></FONT></A> i.e., their =
kneeling place.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn44><FONT size=3D+1><B>45</B></FONT></A> Bukhaari & =
Ahmad.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn45><FONT size=3D+1><B>46</B></FONT></A> Muslim, Ibn =
Khuzaimah (92/2)=20
& Ahmad.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn46><FONT size=3D+1><B>47</B></FONT></A> Muslim & Abu =
Daawood.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn47><FONT size=3D+1><B>48</B></FONT></A> Nasaa'i & =
Ahmad with a=20
saheeh isnaad.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn48><FONT size=3D+1><B>49</B></FONT></A> Bukhaari , Muslim =
& Abu=20
Ya`laa (3/1107).=20
<P><A name=3Dfn49><FONT size=3D+1><B>50</B></FONT></A> Ibn Khuzaimah in =
his Saheeh=20
(1/95/1), Tabaraani (3/140/3) & Haakim who declared it saheeh and =
Dhahabi=20
agreed.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn50><FONT size=3D+1><B>51</B></FONT></A>Referring to the =
following=20
prayer of the Prophet Sulaimaan (`alaihis salaam) which was answered by =
Allaah,=20
as described in the Qur'aan: <B>"My Lord! Forgive me, and <TT>grant me=20
sovereignty not allowed to anyone after me,</TT> for You are indeed the =
Granter=20
of Bounties. So we subjected to his power: the Wind, gently flowing to =
his=20
order, wherever he wished; and <TT>the devils,</TT> every kind of =
builder and=20
diver, and also others bound together in fetters</B>.<B>"</B> (Saad 38: =
35-38)=20
<P><A name=3Dfn51><FONT size=3D+1><B>52</B></FONT> Ahmad, Daaraqutni =
& Tabari=20
with a saheeh isnaad, and similar in meaning to this hadeeth is found in =
Bukhaari and Muslim and others on the authority of several Companions. =
It is one=20
of the many ahaadeeth which the Qadiani group disbelieve, for they do =
not=20
believe in the world of the jinn which is mentioned in the Qur'aan and =
the=20
Sunnah. Their method of discarding the texts is well-known: if it is =
from the=20
Qur'aan, they change its meaning e.g. the saying of the Exalted <B>"Say, =
it has=20
been revealed to me that a group of jinns listened"</B> (72:1); they say =
"i.e. a=20
group of humans"! making the word "jinn" synonymous with "human"! Hence =
they=20
play with the language and the religion; if it is from the Sunnah, then =
if it is=20
possible for them to change it with a false interpretation they do so, =
otherwise=20
they find it easy to declare it to be false, even if all the Imaams of =
Hadeeth=20
and the whole ummah behind them are agreed on its authenticity, nay its =
being=20
mutawaatir. May Allaah guide them.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn52><FONT size=3D+1><B>53</B></FONT></A> Bukhaari & =
Muslim, and=20
the additional narration is from Ibn Khuzaimah (1/94/1).=20
<P><A name=3Dfn53><FONT size=3D+1><B>54</B></FONT></A> ibid.=20
<P><A name=3Dfn54><FONT size=3D+1><B>55</B></FONT></A> i.e. mature, and =
what is=20
meant by `cut off' is `rendered futile'. As regards the hadeeth: =
"Nothing cuts=20
off the prayer", then it is a weak hadeeth as I have shown in <TT>Tamaam =
al-Minnah</TT> (p. 306).=20
<P><A name=3Dfn55><FONT size=3D+1><B>56</B></FONT></A> Muslim, Abu =
Daawood and Ibn=20
Khuzaimah (1/95/2).=20
<P><A name=3Dfn56><FONT size=3D+1><B>57</B></FONT></A>=20
ibid.</FONT><BR></FONT><BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman">Allahumma salli=20
wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.<BR>Modou=20
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:47:53 EDT
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Saiks,
Certainly, the girl's case deserves urgent attention as it where, but I
wonder how many others deserve same and if infact, Dr. Jammeh/Government is
in a position to do it all. Anyway, point well taken.
Adios,
OB.
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Soffie,
Great personal effort there, just keep the L posted on developments as and
when they unfold so that at some point we may all chip in to help the sick
girl.
Good luck,
OB.
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Saiks,
More than likely Rabbi is female for it sounds like the shortened form of
Rabbiatou. Anyway, your guess is as good as mine.
Peace,
OB.
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G-Lers,
People keep referring to Decrees in The Gambia especially, 70/71 in most of
their postings. Are Decrees still in existence or are still being enforced
in the Democratic Gambia?
I would surely appreciate some accurate answer(s) to this question so that
one can guage if that is in tandem with modern democracy or should I say
democracy, period.
Au voire,
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Here's a news report of Jammeh's speech at the U.N assembly f.y.i.=20
Abdoulie Jallow
Gambian President asks for more "even-handed" response to humanitarian =
interventions.
24 September -- The Gambia President Alhaji Yahya Jammeh on Friday =
criticized the slow and sometimes total lack of response to conflicts in =
Africa.=20
While welcoming recent humanitarian interventions, "we insist that one =
life in Angola or elsewhere in Africa is no less important than one life =
in Kosovo or East Timor. The Security Council must therefore be =
even-handed and establish principled criteria for humanitarian =
intervention," he said. The President also said there should be a =
concerted international effort to address the issue of impunity in the =
wake of the many conflicts the world over.=20
Turning to the question of economic development in Africa, President =
Jammeh said his country strongly appeals for across-the-board =
cancellation of all Africa's debts "so as to give us a new lease of life =
in the coming millenium."=20
While not irreproachable, the United Nations was "definitely =
irreplaceable and indispensable," the President said. However, the =
Security Council was in need of "serious and urgent reform," he said, =
pointing to the lack of African representation among permanent members. =
"This anomaly should be rectified immediately," the President said, and =
the veto power abolished. The President also said that his country =
believed that the General Assembly should "seriously reconsider its =
position on the readmission of the Republic of China on Taiwan to the =
United Nations."
Source: http://www.un.org/News/dh/latest/page2.html#27
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size=3D2>Abdoulie Jallow</FONT></EM></STRONG></P>
<P><B></B> </P>
<P><B><A name=3D27>Gambian President asks for more =
"even-handed"=20
response to humanitarian interventions.</B><BR><I>24 September </I>-- =
The Gambia=20
President Alhaji Yahya Jammeh on Friday criticized the slow and =
sometimes total=20
lack of response to conflicts in Africa. </P>
<P>While welcoming recent humanitarian interventions, "we insist =
that one=20
life in Angola or elsewhere in Africa is no less important than one life =
in=20
Kosovo or East Timor. The Security Council must therefore be even-handed =
and=20
establish principled criteria for humanitarian intervention," he =
said. The=20
President also said there should be a concerted international effort to =
address=20
the issue of impunity in the wake of the many conflicts the world over.=20
<P>Turning to the question of economic development in Africa, President =
Jammeh=20
said his country strongly appeals for across-the-board cancellation of =
all=20
Africa's debts "so as to give us a new lease of life in the coming=20
millenium."=20
<P>While not irreproachable, the United Nations was "definitely=20
irreplaceable and indispensable," the President said. However, the =
Security=20
Council was in need of "serious and urgent reform," he said, =
pointing=20
to the lack of African representation among permanent members. =
"This=20
anomaly should be rectified immediately," the President said, and =
the veto=20
power abolished. The President also said that his country believed that =
the=20
General Assembly should "seriously reconsider its position on the=20
readmission of the Republic of China on Taiwan to the United=20
Nations."</A></P>
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Subject: Freedom Forum & Jammeh/Chiluba
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FYI
Abdoulie Jallow
Freedom Forum to Hold Newsmaker Breakfast with Foreign Presidents=20
U.S. Newswire=20
24 Sep 12:55=20
Freedom Forum to Hold Newsmaker Breakfast with President Chiluba=20
of Zambia and President Jammeh of Gambia=20
To: Assignment and International Desks, Daybook Editor=20
Contact: Susan Bennett, 703-284-3765, or Bob Paul, 703-284-2860,=20
both of the Freedom Forum;=20
Web site: http://www.freedomforum.org=20
News Advisory:=20
WHAT:=20
The Freedom Forum International Division and the African=20
Correspondents Association will host a special Newsmaker Breakfast=20
with President Frederick J.T. Chiluba of Zambia and President=20
Yahya A. J.J. Jammeh of The Gambia. This event is one in a series=20
of Newsmaker Breakfasts organized by The Freedom Forum and the=20
African Correspondents Association. The series will include speakers=20
from government and private organizations with a focus on Africa.=20
WHO:=20
President Frederick J. T. Chiluba was first elected chief of=20
state and head of the government of Zambia in 1991. He was=20
re-elected in 1996. Born in Zambia's Copperbelt in 1943, Chiluba=20
rose to power through the labor movement. He was elected chairman=20
of the Zambia Congress of Trade Unions, a position he held until=20
his election as president of the Movement for Multi-Party Democracy=20
Ticket. Chiluba is married to Vera Tembo. They have nine children.=20
President Yahya A. J.J. Jammeh was born in 1965 and is one of the=20
world's youngest heads of state. In 1994, the Gambian National Army=20
removed Sir Dawda Jawara who had ruled the country since 1970. In=20
1996, after a two-year transitional period, Yahya Jammeh was=20
elected the first president of the Second Republic of The Gambia.=20
President Jammeh is married to Zineb Jammeh.=20
WHERE:=20
The Freedom Forum World Center=20
1101 Wilson Blvd.=20
22nd Floor=20
Arlington, Va.=20
(Rosslyn Metro Station on the Blue and Orange lines)=20
WHEN:=20
Monday, Sept. 27=20
8:30-9:30 a.m. -- President Chiluba=20
9:30-10:30 a.m. -- President Jammeh=20
To attend, contact Bob Paul, The Freedom Forum, 703-284-2860.=20
-0-=20
/U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/=20
09/24 12:55=20
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Copyright 1999, U.S. Newswire=20
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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode" size=3D2>Abdoulie=20
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Freedom Forum to Hold Newsmaker Breakfast with Foreign Presidents =
<BR>U.S.=20
Newswire <BR>24 Sep 12:55=20
<P><B>Freedom Forum to Hold Newsmaker Breakfast with President =
Chiluba</B>=20
<BR><B>of Zambia and President Jammeh of Gambia</B> <BR>To: Assignment =
and=20
International Desks, Daybook Editor <BR>Contact: Susan Bennett, =
703-284-3765, or=20
Bob Paul, 703-284-2860, <BR>both of the Freedom Forum; <BR>Web site: <A=20
href=3D"http://www.freedomforum.org/">http://www.freedomforum.org</A>=20
<P>News Advisory:=20
<P>WHAT: <BR>The Freedom Forum International Division and the African=20
<BR>Correspondents Association will host a special Newsmaker Breakfast =
<BR>with=20
President Frederick J.T. Chiluba of Zambia and President <BR>Yahya A. =
J.J.=20
Jammeh of The Gambia. This event is one in a series <BR>of Newsmaker =
Breakfasts=20
organized by The Freedom Forum and the <BR>African Correspondents =
Association.=20
The series will include speakers <BR>from government and private =
organizations=20
with a focus on Africa.=20
<P>WHO: <BR>President Frederick J. T. Chiluba was first elected chief of =
<BR>state and head of the government of Zambia in 1991. He was =
<BR>re-elected in=20
1996. Born in Zambia's Copperbelt in 1943, Chiluba <BR>rose to power =
through the=20
labor movement. He was elected chairman <BR>of the Zambia Congress of =
Trade=20
Unions, a position he held until <BR>his election as president of the =
Movement=20
for Multi-Party Democracy <BR>Ticket. Chiluba is married to Vera Tembo. =
They=20
have nine children.=20
<P>President Yahya A. J.J. Jammeh was born in 1965 and is one of the =
<BR>world's=20
youngest heads of state. In 1994, the Gambian National Army <BR>removed =
Sir=20
Dawda Jawara who had ruled the country since 1970. In <BR>1996, after a =
two-year=20
transitional period, Yahya Jammeh was <BR>elected the first president of =
the=20
Second Republic of The Gambia. <BR>President Jammeh is married to Zineb =
Jammeh.=20
<P>WHERE: <BR>The Freedom Forum World Center <BR>1101 Wilson Blvd. =
<BR>22nd=20
Floor <BR>Arlington, Va. <BR>(Rosslyn Metro Station on the Blue and =
Orange=20
lines)=20
<P>WHEN: <BR>Monday, Sept. 27 <BR>8:30-9:30 a.m. -- President Chiluba=20
<BR>9:30-10:30 a.m. -- President Jammeh=20
<P>To attend, contact Bob Paul, The Freedom Forum, 703-284-2860.=20
<P>-0- <BR>/U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/ <BR>09/24 12:55 <BR> =20
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Help me on this one folks. does Gambia law allow trial of a person while =
they are intoxicated?
Abdoulie Jallow
Fastest legal case in The Gambia?
=20
=20
In an unprecedented case, one Abdoulie Jallow, 30, a =
Guinean born taxi driver was on Wednesday arrested, charged, convicted =
and sentenced to eight years in jail or to pay a fine of D22,500 for =
drinking and driving, within two hours of committing the offence.=20
The particulars of offence states that "Mr Jallow, on =
Wednesday September 22, at around 8-9 am drove a mercedes benz =
registered number KM 2406 in a manner dangerous to the public; that on =
the same day, he failed to stop his vehicle when required by a police =
officer in uniform contrary to the Motor Vehicle Traffic Act."=20
When the charges were read to him in court, he pleaded =
guilty to both counts. On count one, Jallow was sentenced to a five year =
prison term or a fine of D20,000, and on count two, he got three years =
or a D2,500 fine.The prison terms are to run concurrently.=20
In his plea for mercy, Mr Jallow who was still drunk, =
lamented: "I am a stranger in The Gambia. I do not know the Gambian =
laws. Please forgive me."Our reporter sighted Jallow snoring heavily at =
the mobile traffic unit offices after the sentence was passed.=20
The case was presided over by Magistrate HC Roche of the =
Kanifing Court. The prosecution officer was First Class Corporal =
Baldeh..
=20
Source: Weekend Observer 09/24/99
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size=3D2>Help me=20
on this one folks. does Gambia law allow trial of a person while they =
are=20
intoxicated?</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode"=20
size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
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size=3D2>Abdoulie=20
Jallow</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode"=20
size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
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<P align=3Dcenter><B><FONT color=3D#000000=20
face=3D"Times New Roman,Times,Times NewRoman" =
size=3D+3>Fastest legal=20
case in The Gambia?</FONT></B></P></TD>
<TD colSpan=3D3></TD></TR>
<TR align=3Dleft vAlign=3Dtop>
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<P><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman,Times,Times =
NewRoman"=20
size=3D-1>In an unprecedented case, one Abdoulie Jallow, 30, =
a Guinean=20
born taxi </FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman,Times,Times =
NewRoman"=20
size=3D-1>driver was on Wednesday arrested, charged, =
convicted and=20
sentenced to eight years in jail or to pay a fine of D22,500 =
for=20
drinking and driving, within two hours of committing the =
offence.=20
<P>The particulars of offence states that "Mr Jallow, =
on=20
Wednesday September 22, at around 8-9 am drove a mercedes =
benz=20
registered number KM 2406 in a manner dangerous to the =
public; that=20
on the same day, he failed to stop his vehicle when required =
by a=20
police officer in uniform contrary to the Motor Vehicle =
Traffic=20
Act."=20
<P>When the charges were read to him in court, he pleaded =
guilty to=20
both counts. On count one, Jallow was sentenced to a five =
year=20
prison term or a fine of D20,000, and on count two, he =
got=20
three years or a D2,500 fine.The prison terms are to run=20
concurrently.=20
<P>In his plea for mercy, Mr Jallow who was still drunk, =
lamented:=20
"I am a stranger in The Gambia. I do not know the =
Gambian=20
laws. Please forgive me."Our reporter sighted =
Jallow=20
snoring heavily at the mobile traffic unit offices after the =
sentence was passed.=20
<P>The case was presided over by Magistrate HC Roche of the =
Kanifing=20
Court. The prosecution officer was First Class Corporal =
Baldeh..</P>
<P> </P></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Source: =
Weekend Observer=20
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This is a new development, i almost thought that there are no other truthful
and outspoken religious people in Gambia anymore. At least we know that we
are safe, islamic/religious wise since some islamic scholars are seeing the
true colours of Imam fatty.
Remember we will always be judged by our deeds
The Struggle Continues!!!
Ndey Jobarteh
-----Original Message-----
From: saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 24 September 1999 19:05
Subject: Re: [Another Imams View On Fankanta]
HI Brother,
Thank you for this posting,I never had doubts that there are more
intelligent
Imams in the Gambia who know the Koran better than politicians who call them
selves religious leaders.Imam Fatty and Banding Drammeh should declare their
hidden political agendas than misusing public media to spread their
reactionary messages.
For Freedom
Saiks
I saw the following from the GambiaNet issue of 17th. September 1999. Enjoy
reading.
Greetings
Matarr M. Jeng
"FANKANTA' CANNOT BE BANNED", SAYS IMAM BABA LEIGH
As the controversy surrounding the newly introduced family planning concept
commonly called 'Fankanta' , rages on among religious leaders, the imam of
Kanifing housing estate mosque, Baba Leigh, had said that it can "never be
outlawed because it is not illegal and not against Islam".
Imam Leigh in his reaction to the earlier statement made by the president of
the Gambia Supreme Islamic Council, Banding Drammeh, that his council would
lobby for 'Fankanta' to be outlawed, told the Daily Observer, in an
interview,
that, 'Fankanta' is a development issue which goes beyond using
contraceptives.
"Islam supports 'Fankanta' because it is a religion which seeks peace,
comfort
and health for its adherents", he argued, adding that the utterances of the
imam of State House, Abdoulie Fatty against the initiative is irrational and
unittellectual.
He accused Imam Fatty of misusing the government-controlled media "by
aggressively attacking innocent individuals in the country", like the
Ahmaiyyans.
"It is not helpful to tarnish the image of the Ahmadiyyans. He should leave
them because they have important projects in the country." The qur'an, he
added, enjoins all muslims to be tolerant to other people's belief.
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Bass,
I agree with that. Having being to parliament, i believe it will really
help voters to just see the type of people they voted for. I bet many will
change their votes after watching some of these people in parliament.
The Struggle Continues!!!!
Ndey jobarteh
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From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: 24 September 1999 05:58
Subject: NO TV COVERAGE OF NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SITTINGS
>Mr T Saidy,
> One would be imagining that since we now have a TV station, that
National
>assembly sittings be covered by GRTS atleast to allow the electorate to
evaluate
>the candidates they have voted for,ofcourse that is not happening. Citizen
FM used
>to do that but as you know the government shut it down, Your exposure to
the western
>politics and the importance of the media would have help unless you want to
close your
>eyes. These kind of programmes will no doubt increase the awareness level
of the Gambian
>people, atleast they will serve a better purpose than the BORING FAMILY
MATTERS that has
>no relation to Gambian culture. May be you can throw some light on this
issue.
> One more thing, Mr Lamin Manga is doing a great job on his Extra Touch
programme,
>exposing talents of young Gambian musicians...good job ..
>
>Thanks
>
>Basiru Ndow
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I will like our lawyers to help out on this too. THis is the craziest i =
have ever heard of.
The Struggle Continues!!
Ndey Jobarteh
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Date: 25 September 1999 04:07
Subject: Question????
Help me on this one folks. does Gambia law allow trial of a person while =
they are intoxicated?
=20
=20
Abdoulie Jallow
=20
Fastest legal case in The Gambia?
=20
=20
In an unprecedented case, one Abdoulie Jallow, 30, a =
Guinean born taxi driver was on Wednesday arrested, charged, convicted =
and sentenced to eight years in jail or to pay a fine of D22,500 for =
drinking and driving, within two hours of committing the offence.=20
The particulars of offence states that "Mr Jallow, on =
Wednesday September 22, at around 8-9 am drove a mercedes benz =
registered number KM 2406 in a manner dangerous to the public; that on =
the same day, he failed to stop his vehicle when required by a police =
officer in uniform contrary to the Motor Vehicle Traffic Act."=20
When the charges were read to him in court, he pleaded =
guilty to both counts. On count one, Jallow was sentenced to a five year =
prison term or a fine of D20,000, and on count two, he got three years =
or a D2,500 fine.The prison terms are to run concurrently.=20
In his plea for mercy, Mr Jallow who was still drunk, =
lamented: "I am a stranger in The Gambia. I do not know the Gambian =
laws. Please forgive me."Our reporter sighted Jallow snoring heavily at =
the mobile traffic unit offices after the sentence was passed.=20
The case was presided over by Magistrate HC Roche of the =
Kanifing Court. The prosecution officer was First Class Corporal =
Baldeh..
=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I will like our lawyers to help out =
on this too.=20
THis is the craziest i have ever heard of.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The Struggle Continues!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Ndey Jobarteh</FONT></DIV>
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</B><A=20
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.EDU</A>=20
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</B>25 September 1999 04:07<BR><B>Subject: =
</B>Question????<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode" =
size=3D2>Help me=20
on this one folks. does Gambia law allow trial of a person while they =
are=20
intoxicated?</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode"=20
size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode"=20
size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode" =
size=3D2>Abdoulie=20
Jallow</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode"=20
size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode" =
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<P align=3Dcenter><B><FONT color=3D#000000=20
face=3D"Times New Roman,Times,Times NewRoman" =
size=3D+3>Fastest legal=20
case in The Gambia?</FONT></B></P></TD>
<TD colSpan=3D3></TD></TR>
<TR align=3Dleft vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD colSpan=3D9 height=3D2></TD></TR>
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<P><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman,Times,Times =
NewRoman"=20
size=3D-1>In an unprecedented case, one Abdoulie Jallow, 30, =
a Guinean=20
born taxi </FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman,Times,Times =
NewRoman"=20
size=3D-1>driver was on Wednesday arrested, charged, =
convicted and=20
sentenced to eight years in jail or to pay a fine of D22,500 =
for=20
drinking and driving, within two hours of committing the =
offence.=20
<P>The particulars of offence states that "Mr Jallow, =
on=20
Wednesday September 22, at around 8-9 am drove a mercedes =
benz=20
registered number KM 2406 in a manner dangerous to the =
public; that=20
on the same day, he failed to stop his vehicle when required =
by a=20
police officer in uniform contrary to the Motor Vehicle =
Traffic=20
Act."=20
<P>When the charges were read to him in court, he pleaded =
guilty to=20
both counts. On count one, Jallow was sentenced to a five =
year=20
prison term or a fine of D20,000, and on count two, he =
got=20
three years or a D2,500 fine.The prison terms are to run=20
concurrently.=20
<P>In his plea for mercy, Mr Jallow who was still drunk, =
lamented:=20
"I am a stranger in The Gambia. I do not know the =
Gambian=20
laws. Please forgive me."Our reporter sighted =
Jallow=20
snoring heavily at the mobile traffic unit offices after the =
sentence was passed.=20
<P>The case was presided over by Magistrate HC Roche of the =
Kanifing=20
Court. The prosecution officer was First Class Corporal =
Baldeh..</P>
<P> </P></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Source: =
Weekend Observer=20
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Demba,
I agree with you, this is a challenge to all Gambians living abroad. I will
also suggest that those of us in theUK/Europe can follow suit or even
start. Ebrima Ceesay what do you think about this? Those guys in
Scandinavia, Kabir, Saiks, Sidibeh, Sahir and co, What do you think about
this? Those in Africa and Outside the Gambia, Madi what do you think about
this?
After this we will call a re-union of Gambians abroad. Ooops I forget the
guys in Asia, Mbye Jabang and co, what is your position on this?
Guys Demba has posed a challenge can we do it or not?
The Struggle Continnues!!!
Ndey Jobarteh
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Date: 20 September 1999 09:44
Subject: Actions speaks louder than words:
>Fellow brothers and sisters,
> The debate to unite mother Africa is well stated among
>the members of the G-L. May I please suggest that those of us living in
the
>United States and Canada start to mobilize ourselves and convey a forum on
>the unity of our continent. We may either start by first conveying a
>Gambian forum on the possibility of uniting our country to other African
>nations or Just invite all Africans living in America and the environs. to
>attend a general conference on uniting mother Africa.
> The out come of such a forum will still determine how
>possible we could influence the unity of our people. As Ndye and others
>stated before, charity begins at home, so let us see if really we are ready
>to put words into action.
> I am quite confident that we have respected intellectuals
>like Dr. Saine and others who can lead us to this vision of unity. Please
>comment on this suggestion. The struggle continues.
>God bless
>Demba
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:43:29 -0700
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Brother,
Your point is well noted.
Our center has been around for over twenty years helping many people including Gambians with
Zakat to meet their rent, and to help with funeral expenses for those who cannot afford it
(it can be very expensive around the US fyi-) and pay the tuition of students whose parents
cannot afford it ecetera ecetera etc.
If Jammeh comes he is welcome like any other worshipper including you and I .His money or
Gambian money is not the issue .
We have been doing Fund raising for twenty five years to help with the upkeep of the center.
I hope you understand that we do not take sides . We are performing a service that is much
needed in our community and if anyone can help make that possible , we welcome them.
By the way I am happy to say We had some volunteers to help cook the food for tomorrow and
almost all of the meat & ingredients were donated. Alhamdullilah.
May Allah reward them for their help no matter how little it may be.
The Muslim community thanks all contributors who make it possible to help others.
Recently we had a sister Rohey Jobe who was helped by ACIE and the venue was MCC . I am proud
to say ACIE handed her mom a cheque of almost $17,000.00 collected from the community. FYI
If Jammeh comes and donates any money (IF he comes ) it will be used in the community which
has a lot of Gambians as all other donor's moneys are spent too.
Wasalaam
Habib
saiks samateh wrote:
> Hi Brother
>
> I do see your point very clearly.This invitation is clearly out to save the
> dirty face of the AFPRC government.The money that Dr Jammeh is expected to
> donate to the organization is the money of Gambian tax payers ,Jammeh should
> be told to return that money back to the Gambian people and not been encourage
> to travel abroad and dishing it out.Just yesterday a Gambian suffering from
> some form of cancer is desperately appealing to all of us to save his life
> because he could not be threated in the Gambia,where are all the hospitals
> that are said to have been built in the Gambia,is it not a duty upon us,as
> good Gambians,good Muslims or Christians to call the attention of the
> president to such situation than calling upon him to come and dish out some
> money in the name of ALLAH ?Is this organisation more interested in the money
> of Jammeh or do they want to tell him who they are ?An organisation who
> encourage the head of a corrupt government to dish out money to them will
> surely be doing a bad PR work for their organisation.
>
> For Freedom
> Saiks
>
> After the successful over throw of the Jawara gov't on July 22 1994,
> most Gambians were happy that the change they had long awaited has finally
> arrived. Jammeh, Sabally, Hydara, Touray and Singateh promised the people
> of a transparent and accountable government. A government whose intent was
> to discontinue the corrupt behaviors of its predecessor. A goverment
> committed to national unity and economic development.
> Exactly five years and two months after that fateful Friday in July of
> 1994, the nation is not any better than it was. In five years Jammeh has
> hired and fired more officials than Jawara had in 30 years. Families have
> been victimized, their assets frozen and their properties seized. Jammeh and
> his loyal subjects have tortured and killed many Gambians. For example, the
> sudden and untimely deaths of Sadibou Hydara and Ousman Koro Ceesay. Jammeh
> was fully aware of the circumstances surronding the deaths of those two
> gambians. The entire nation knew Edward and Peter Singateh were involved.
> Jammeh however never made any remarks or taken any action . Remember he is
> the very one who who said his gov't would be transparent.
> In five years, Jammeh, Touray and Singateh amassed millions of dalasis
> of loans and grants contracted in the name of the Gambia only to be diverted
> to personal accounts in Swiss, Turkey and other foreign banks. I could go on
> and on-----
> Organizing a dinner to honor a dictator, a tyrant, a murderer, and a
> heartless leader is beyond my comprehension. The organizer(s) are in short
> encouraging Jammeh and his gang, the July 22 Movement and the NIA, to
> continue on the gross human rights violations prevalent in the Gambia.
> With all due respect I urge the organizers to rescind the offer.
>
> Ajarama
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Guys,
I hope that there will be a press conference where all Gambians despite
their political stands can tell the President their opinion about him and
his regime and most importantly the state of the country under him. And he
can also defend and respond to these concerns.
We had the same problems here in the Uk when the President came to attend
the Commonwealth Heads of State Meetings in Scotland. After all arrangments
made by the Gambia Youth Assciation to have a meeting with the President in
England, last minute we were informed that the President will not come to
England. We tried to lobby out for a meeting in Scotland it did not happen.
I even remember trying to sort this situation out whiles at the Commonwealth
meetings but it was just impossible even though i was on an official
capacity there as well.
The worse thing was that after the meeting , i was at the Africa at 40
conference and some Gambians told me that they were invited to meet with the
President in Scotland at the commwealth meeting. That was when we i
understood the messaged send. So therefore reading the postings on L i can
just see the same thing happening again.
I hope that the President will try his best to meet up with the community on
a Press Conference not in sub communitees. This might be an opportunity for
him to clear the air and hear out loud the voices of his people abroad. It
will not be a suprise if he did not and hopefully we will catch up with him
here in the UK one day. I know that most people on the L would like to meet
with him and express their heart felt feelings to him and he too can express
his as well.
The Struggle Continues!!!!
Ndey Jobarteh
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Date: 22 September 1999 18:20
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>They are here Saiks, but that is no deterrent. Not that many people seem
to
>know where the venue is or the times of the meeting, though. Any info? I
>don't know if there will be a meeting with TransAfrica - it will be a
>dereliction of duty on their part if they meet with the Chief Thug in
Charge
>of the Brutality and the present day Poverty of our Gambian people.
>
> There are no NIA or july 22 movement down there,sure you
>will be save.
>
> For Freedom
> Saiks
> Folks,
> Sources have informed me of a special reception to be held
>in honor of the
> Prez during his visit to DC. A 'top secret' list of
>Gambians in the area
> who are deemed 'safe' or 'soft' on Jammeh have been invited
>to attend.
> Perhaps those who have not been invited but want to meet
the
>President of
> ALL Gambians might consider 'crashing' this event. (smile!)
> Also you may want to attend the meeting at the Rainbow
>Coalition with Jesse
> Jackson, or perhaps catch up with him at Randall Robinson's
>TransAfrica or
> at the State Dept., or perhaps a tete-a-tete at his
>residence at ...
> Afterall, a President who cannot meet with his own people
>speaks volumes of
> his presidency.
> What would have been wrong with having a forum that is well
>moderated in
> which all Gambians (as opposed to a chosen few) are given
>the opportunity to
> hear what the President has to say and pose some questions
>to him also.
> The jittery behavior of those coordinating his visit as
>demonstrated by the
> silence of the Embassy for example, and the screening of
>members of the
> community, demonstrate the distrust folks in this
government
>seem to have
> with the application of democracy. They should not be
>surprised though if
> those considered 'safe' or 'soft' turn out to be the ones
>with the thorny
> questions for H.E.
> Oh well, I for one wish them all well. I already had plans
>to attend my
> cousin's wedding in Atlanta. So sunshine city, here I come!
> Long Live Democracy! Long Live Openess!
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Saiks,
I have seen Jahu(F) missing.
The Struggle Continue!!
Ndey Jobarteh
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Date: 22 September 1999 19:25
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Hi,
I am now through with the names etcI am resending these for a final
correction,I dont want to take the chance so please help to see if there are
any mistakes.
For freedom
Saiks
¾ " ^
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jaajef Saiks,
Another list of names, supplied by a friend of mine,
for inclusion on the list, apologies for any repeats
FEMALE NAMES
Allimatou
Ancha
Anta
Aram
Aret
Arookee
Ayi
Balankang
Banna
Bijilo
Boneh
Bori (M/F)
Bunnu (F/M)
Ceesayding
Coumba
Daggah
Danjang
Dawitt
Daado
Fama
Fanta
FaraFulatunk
Galo
Gaye
Gegeh
Hajarta
Hamisowe
Horeja
Houdja
Houmou
Hoyaan
Huja
Huri
Jaboh
Jabou
Jaherr
Jajeh
Jalika
Jalnum
Jamba
Jamos
Jankay
Janun
Jaria
Jariatou
Jay (M/F)
Jogomai
Jogoy
Jojo
Joko
Jola
Jongfoolo
Jonkong
Jor
Jaaja
Kaba (M/F)
Kaddy
Kafa
Kanja
Kanjumblaank
Kassamanding
Kinti Sona
Kodou
Kunkung
Kurou
Kurou
Kuura
Kaani
Lobe
Lolong / Lolo
Madeghen
Mai
Majula
Mam Mberegaye
Mamandew
Mambisinnine
Manding (M/F)
Mankita
Mansata
Marget
Mayimba
Mbasey
Mbayam
Mbene
Mberi
Mbinga
Mbinkinding
Mbissine
Momkan
Musubanding
Musukoi
Musukoto
Musukuta
Maaluta
N`Bene
N`Diabou
N`Gat
Nano
Ndey
Ndingbo
Ndura
Nenegalleh
Ngilan
Ngoneh
Njaling
Njarra
Njemeh
Njonkoling
Nkey
Nogoy
Numbeh
Nyakasi
Nyanya
Nyima
Obaar
Olaye
Oli / Olimatta
Rabbi
Ruggie
Sanjani
Sanou
Saro
Satang
Sigga
Sirando
Sirreh
Soda
Sonna
Sora
Sukai
Sunkang
Tamara
Tano
Tasatou
Tida
Tombong (M/F)
Tuti
Yadikon
Yakay
Yama
Yandeh
AND THE MALE NAMES:
Abba
Alkalo
Allabato
Almami
Almamo
Amata
Appaye
Bairo
Balankang/Balangka
Balla
Bamara
Bamba
Banjuku
Bechou
Bolla
Booya
Bora
Bori (M/F)
Boto
Botor
Buka
Bulley
Bunnu
Buray
Bye
Chana
Cheboh / Chebo
Correa
Daraman
Dekory
Demba/Dembo
Duwa
Ebin
Eggeh
Ekku
Fabala
Fafanding
Fakebba
Falla
Fallou
Fanding
Fansaine
Fara
Faranding
Farimang
Filijay (M/F)
Findi
Foday
Folongko
Galo
Gondoi
Gorra
Hadim
Houn
Jabel
Jahu
Jalang
Jalima
Jatta
Jatto
Jemussu
Jerreh
Jewru
Jidere
Jung
Jungkunda
Junkung
Kajaly
Kalilu
Kanimang
Kanjura
Karafa (M/F)
Karamba
Karankallo
Karanlang
Karanta
Karrafa
Katim
Kawsu
Kaykoto
Kayluntang
Kayring
Kebba
Kebuteh
Kekoi
Kemesseng
Kemeta
Kemo
Kemoring/Kemoba
Kenbugut/Kenbugul
Ketabou
Kewuleng
Kitim/Kitimu
Koora
Koro
Kuto
Kutobo
Kutubo
Laity
Lalo
Landing/Lang
Latjor
Leemu
Lensa
Loloh
Lolong/Lolo
Madehgen
Madi
Madikeh
Majorr
Malal
Mamadi
Mamar
Mamburray
Mamo
Mamur
Manding (M/F)
Manlafy
Masamba
Massaneh
Mawdo
Mayekor
Mba
Mbarka
Melbourey
Melbourey
Melbourey
Moli
Mom
Momat
Momkan
Mot
Maamina
N`fally
N`famara
N`fansu
N`juga
Naibelle
Ndongo
Nduggu
Ngattan
Ngoja
Ngor
Njagga
Numu
Pateh
Pili
Rabbi
Saiarr
Saidou
Sainey (M/F)
Sait
Sajo (M/F)
Samaba
Samba
Sambou
Samory
Sanballa
Sanjally
Sanjani
Sanji
Sankung
Sanna (M/F)
Sawalo
Sayer
Seckka
Sengan
Sidia
Siman
Sirach
Sittafa
Suntu
Saangone
Tamba
Tamsir
Tano (M/F)
Tombong
Yanding
Yelee
Yeyehn
yeyeh
YobYugo
Highly depending on you
For Freedom
Saiks
Tony
Nfansu (m)
Nfally (m)
Fansainey (m/f)
Jalicka (f)
Mususkoi (f)
Masata (f)
Jonkong (f)
Mariatu (f)
Jariatou (f)
Nyima (f)
Nyimanding (f)
Jonsoba (f)
Fatamina (f)
Fatunding (f)
Jankey (f)
Musubanding (f)
Satunding (f)
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 05:32:06 +0100
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Saikss,
Alimatou is Arabic.
The Struggle Continues!!!
Ndey Jobarteh
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Date: 23 September 1999 20:01
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Saiks,
Why not leave it there with a question mark until you can ascertain its
origins.
Kabir.
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From: saiks samateh
Hi Ous,
You might be right that Allimatou is Arabic,but I am not very sure of
that.So
,for not taking any chances I will have to withdraw the name from the
list.Thank you.
For Freedom
Saiks
Saiks,
Is Allimatou not Arabic?
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They also need to find out if the disease has progressed to a stage where a
liver transplant would be needed. The patient would be on a waiting list if
a transplant is needed,
Alasana Bah
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>Alan,
>
>Food and lodging for the lady, will be provided if/when she gets here.
>Concerns/questions raised by my colleagues are - how progressed is the
>disease, can the doctors who diagnosed her give a write-up on her
>condition,
>what are the symptoms, etc.
>
>We want to avoid the situation where her condition is much advanced that
>when she is seen here she will be put on just pain numbing drugs that do
>nothing to cure her condition. We also want to have answers to the kinds
>of
>questions the providers will ask and we want to present a clear case. What
>can you find out, quickly?
>
>Soffie
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> Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 10:21 AM
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> Soffie,
>
> Thank you very much for your prompt reply.
>
> We are very hopeful to find a sponsor for the trip to the
>USA. We have had some promises from
> individuals in the Gambia. However, the promise are
>conditional on our ability to find fund
> abroad. On this note, I would like to enquire if there is
>something definite down your.
>
>
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> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Alan,
> >
> > I'm sure if the lady can find herself in Europe or the
>US,
>we will do
> > something. Does she have some people who can help her
>to
>get to these
> > shores. Much is possible.
> >
> > Soffie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ALAN MBOOJ
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> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999
>1:13
>PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: URGENT
> >
> > Dear Lers,
> >
> > I received this letter from a colleague
>and wanted to share
> > with you. I felt that with the great
> > number of people on the list someone
>might
>be able to help
> > this poor lady. Can you please extend
> > this message to all you know.
> >
> > Majalang Sillah
> > C/o Saikou M. Juwara
> > Arab Gambian Islamic Bank Ltd. (AGIB)
> > 7 Ecowas Avenue
> > P.O. Box 1514
> > Banjul
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Sir/Madam,
> >
> > APPLICATION FOR
>SPONSORSHIP
> >
> > I, Majalang Sillah of Kuntaur Madina, am
>hereby applying for
> > a sponsorship from anywhere in the
> > world to treat LIVER CANCER DISEASE.
> >
> > I have tried every major hospital in the
>Gambia for
> > treatment but unfortunately the result is
> > always negative. Now I am appealing to
>the charitable
> > organisations and individuals for
> > assistance to treat my disease abroad.
> >
> > I am grateful if my application is
>highly
>appreciated.
> >
> > MAJALANG SILLAH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Alan Mbooj
> >
> > NEVER CRINGE, CROUCH OR CRAWL
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 01:05:12 PDT
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>Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 03:46:58 EDT
>
>Here is a summary of the speech given by President Jammeh to the U.N
>General Assembly, taken from the U.N Newsservice
>
>Gambian President asks for more "even-handed" response to humanitarian
>interventions.
>24 September -- The Gambia President Alhaji Yahya Jammeh on Friday
>criticized
>the slow and sometimes total lack of response to conflicts in Africa.
>
>While welcoming recent humanitarian interventions, "we insist that one life
>in Angola or elsewhere in Africa is no less important than one life in
>Kosovo
>or East Timor. The Security Council must therefore be even-handed and
>establish principled criteria for humanitarian intervention," he said. The
>President also said there should be a concerted international effort to
>address the issue of impunity in the wake of the many conflicts the world
>over.
>
>Turning to the question of economic development in Africa, President Jammeh
>said his country strongly appeals for across-the-board cancellation of all
>Africa's debts "so as to give us a new lease of life in the coming
>millennium."
>
>While not irreproachable, the United Nations was "definitely irreplaceable
>and indispensable," the President said. However, the Security Council was
>in
>need of "serious and urgent reform," he said, pointing to the lack of
>African
>representation among permanent members. "This anomaly should be rectified
>immediately," the President said, and the veto power abolished. The
>President
>also said that his country believed that the General Assembly should
>"seriously reconsider its position on the readmission of the Republic of
>China on Taiwan to the United Nations."
>
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Brother Habib,
You could just have said that: "We don't have a conscience" period. A =
God-fearing person/group cannot fail to takes sides in the face of =
injustice! Otherwise it's called hypocrisy.
Kabir.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Habib Ghanim, Sr <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: 25. september 1999 08:43
Subject: Re: [Dictator Jammeh]
> Brother,
>=20
> Your point is well noted.
> Our center has been around for over twenty years helping many people =
including Gambians with
> Zakat to meet their rent, and to help with funeral expenses for those =
who cannot afford it
> (it can be very expensive around the US fyi-) and pay the tuition of =
students whose parents
> cannot afford it ecetera ecetera etc.
>=20
> If Jammeh comes he is welcome like any other worshipper including you =
and I .His money or
> Gambian money is not the issue .
> We have been doing Fund raising for twenty five years to help with =
the upkeep of the center.
> I hope you understand that we do not take sides . We are performing a =
service that is much
> needed in our community and if anyone can help make that possible , we =
welcome them.
> By the way I am happy to say We had some volunteers to help cook the =
food for tomorrow and
> almost all of the meat & ingredients were donated. Alhamdullilah.
> May Allah reward them for their help no matter how little it may be.
>=20
> The Muslim community thanks all contributors who make it possible to =
help others.
> Recently we had a sister Rohey Jobe who was helped by ACIE and the =
venue was MCC . I am proud
> to say ACIE handed her mom a cheque of almost $17,000.00 collected =
from the community. FYI
>=20
> If Jammeh comes and donates any money (IF he comes ) it will be used =
in the community which
> has a lot of Gambians as all other donor's moneys are spent too.
>=20
> Wasalaam
> Habib
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> saiks samateh wrote:
>=20
> > Hi Brother
> >
> > I do see your point very clearly.This invitation is clearly out to =
save the
> > dirty face of the AFPRC government.The money that Dr Jammeh is =
expected to
> > donate to the organization is the money of Gambian tax payers =
,Jammeh should
> > be told to return that money back to the Gambian people and not been =
encourage
> > to travel abroad and dishing it out.Just yesterday a Gambian =
suffering from
> > some form of cancer is desperately appealing to all of us to save =
his life
> > because he could not be threated in the Gambia,where are all the =
hospitals
> > that are said to have been built in the Gambia,is it not a duty upon =
us,as
> > good Gambians,good Muslims or Christians to call the attention of =
the
> > president to such situation than calling upon him to come and dish =
out some
> > money in the name of ALLAH ?Is this organisation more interested in =
the money
> > of Jammeh or do they want to tell him who they are ?An organisation =
who
> > encourage the head of a corrupt government to dish out money to =
them will
> > surely be doing a bad PR work for their organisation.
> >
> > For Freedom
> > Saiks
> >
> > After the successful over throw of the Jawara gov't on July 22 =
1994,
> > most Gambians were happy that the change they had long awaited has =
finally
> > arrived. Jammeh, Sabally, Hydara, Touray and Singateh promised the =
people
> > of a transparent and accountable government. A government whose =
intent was
> > to discontinue the corrupt behaviors of its predecessor. A goverment
> > committed to national unity and economic development.
> > Exactly five years and two months after that fateful Friday in =
July of
> > 1994, the nation is not any better than it was. In five years =
Jammeh has
> > hired and fired more officials than Jawara had in 30 years. =
Families have
> > been victimized, their assets frozen and their properties seized. =
Jammeh and
> > his loyal subjects have tortured and killed many Gambians. For =
example, the
> > sudden and untimely deaths of Sadibou Hydara and Ousman Koro Ceesay. =
Jammeh
> > was fully aware of the circumstances surronding the deaths of those =
two
> > gambians. The entire nation knew Edward and Peter Singateh were =
involved.
> > Jammeh however never made any remarks or taken any action . Remember =
he is
> > the very one who who said his gov't would be transparent.
> > In five years, Jammeh, Touray and Singateh amassed millions of =
dalasis
> > of loans and grants contracted in the name of the Gambia only to be =
diverted
> > to personal accounts in Swiss, Turkey and other foreign banks. I =
could go on
> > and on-----
> > Organizing a dinner to honor a dictator, a tyrant, a murderer, =
and a
> > heartless leader is beyond my comprehension. The organizer(s) are in =
short
> > encouraging Jammeh and his gang, the July 22 Movement and the NIA, =
to
> > continue on the gross human rights violations prevalent in the =
Gambia.
> > With all due respect I urge the organizers to rescind the =
offer.
> >
> > Ajarama
> >
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Ndey,
Long time no see. You failed to turn up at the bank.
Back to the topic. It is not in the interest of non performers for sittings to be aired.
=====
Alan Mbooj
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RAISE YOUR HEAD AND STAND TALL.
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Brother Kabir
you are entitled to your opinion .
I just want to let you know that when someone comes to the center to ask for help they do not have the type of conscience you are talking about . They just want to survive. Many of
your distant relatives have needed our services and we are glad to help them.
Thank you for all your support .
I hope you will one day be in a position to help out in a more positive way
Wasalaam
Habib
Amadu Kabir Njie wrote:
> Brother Habib,
>
> You could just have said that: "We don't have a conscience" period. A God-fearing person/group cannot fail to takes sides in the face of injustice! Otherwise it's called hypocrisy.
>
> Kabir.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Habib Ghanim, Sr <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 25. september 1999 08:43
> Subject: Re: [Dictator Jammeh]
>
> > Brother,
> >
> > Your point is well noted.
> > Our center has been around for over twenty years helping many people including Gambians with
> > Zakat to meet their rent, and to help with funeral expenses for those who cannot afford it
> > (it can be very expensive around the US fyi-) and pay the tuition of students whose parents
> > cannot afford it ecetera ecetera etc.
> >
> > If Jammeh comes he is welcome like any other worshipper including you and I .His money or
> > Gambian money is not the issue .
> > We have been doing Fund raising for twenty five years to help with the upkeep of the center.
> > I hope you understand that we do not take sides . We are performing a service that is much
> > needed in our community and if anyone can help make that possible , we welcome them.
> > By the way I am happy to say We had some volunteers to help cook the food for tomorrow and
> > almost all of the meat & ingredients were donated. Alhamdullilah.
> > May Allah reward them for their help no matter how little it may be.
> >
> > The Muslim community thanks all contributors who make it possible to help others.
> > Recently we had a sister Rohey Jobe who was helped by ACIE and the venue was MCC . I am proud
> > to say ACIE handed her mom a cheque of almost $17,000.00 collected from the community. FYI
> >
> > If Jammeh comes and donates any money (IF he comes ) it will be used in the community which
> > has a lot of Gambians as all other donor's moneys are spent too.
> >
> > Wasalaam
> > Habib
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > saiks samateh wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Brother
> > >
> > > I do see your point very clearly.This invitation is clearly out to save the
> > > dirty face of the AFPRC government.The money that Dr Jammeh is expected to
> > > donate to the organization is the money of Gambian tax payers ,Jammeh should
> > > be told to return that money back to the Gambian people and not been encourage
> > > to travel abroad and dishing it out.Just yesterday a Gambian suffering from
> > > some form of cancer is desperately appealing to all of us to save his life
> > > because he could not be threated in the Gambia,where are all the hospitals
> > > that are said to have been built in the Gambia,is it not a duty upon us,as
> > > good Gambians,good Muslims or Christians to call the attention of the
> > > president to such situation than calling upon him to come and dish out some
> > > money in the name of ALLAH ?Is this organisation more interested in the money
> > > of Jammeh or do they want to tell him who they are ?An organisation who
> > > encourage the head of a corrupt government to dish out money to them will
> > > surely be doing a bad PR work for their organisation.
> > >
> > > For Freedom
> > > Saiks
> > >
> > > After the successful over throw of the Jawara gov't on July 22 1994,
> > > most Gambians were happy that the change they had long awaited has finally
> > > arrived. Jammeh, Sabally, Hydara, Touray and Singateh promised the people
> > > of a transparent and accountable government. A government whose intent was
> > > to discontinue the corrupt behaviors of its predecessor. A goverment
> > > committed to national unity and economic development.
> > > Exactly five years and two months after that fateful Friday in July of
> > > 1994, the nation is not any better than it was. In five years Jammeh has
> > > hired and fired more officials than Jawara had in 30 years. Families have
> > > been victimized, their assets frozen and their properties seized. Jammeh and
> > > his loyal subjects have tortured and killed many Gambians. For example, the
> > > sudden and untimely deaths of Sadibou Hydara and Ousman Koro Ceesay. Jammeh
> > > was fully aware of the circumstances surronding the deaths of those two
> > > gambians. The entire nation knew Edward and Peter Singateh were involved.
> > > Jammeh however never made any remarks or taken any action . Remember he is
> > > the very one who who said his gov't would be transparent.
> > > In five years, Jammeh, Touray and Singateh amassed millions of dalasis
> > > of loans and grants contracted in the name of the Gambia only to be diverted
> > > to personal accounts in Swiss, Turkey and other foreign banks. I could go on
> > > and on-----
> > > Organizing a dinner to honor a dictator, a tyrant, a murderer, and a
> > > heartless leader is beyond my comprehension. The organizer(s) are in short
> > > encouraging Jammeh and his gang, the July 22 Movement and the NIA, to
> > > continue on the gross human rights violations prevalent in the Gambia.
> > > With all due respect I urge the organizers to rescind the offer.
> > >
> > > Ajarama
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 08:34:04 PDT
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Mr Basiru,
You have touched on an important issue.
As you may have been aware i work for GRTS as a News Reporter and Presenter.
Basiru, i have personally tried a million times to cover the proceedings of
the assembly in vein. The Clerk nor the Speaker will allow any recording
device in the assembly.Perhaps,this rule should be properly looked into and
allow the electorate to get to know about proceedings of the assembly,
afterall it should be their right!
Let us pick it up from this point.
Thanks for your concern.
HARONA
>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: NO TV COVERAGE OF NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SITTINGS
>Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:01:44 -0500
>
>Mr T Saidy,
> One would be imagining that since we now have a TV station, that
>National
>assembly sittings be covered by GRTS atleast to allow the electorate to
>evaluate
>the candidates they have voted for,ofcourse that is not happening. Citizen
>FM used
>to do that but as you know the government shut it down, Your exposure to
>the western
>politics and the importance of the media would have help unless you want to
>close your
>eyes. These kind of programmes will no doubt increase the awareness level
>of the Gambian
>people, atleast they will serve a better purpose than the BORING FAMILY
>MATTERS that has
>no relation to Gambian culture. May be you can throw some light on this
>issue.
> One more thing, Mr Lamin Manga is doing a great job on his Extra Touch
>programme,
>exposing talents of young Gambian musicians...good job ..
>
>Thanks
>
>Basiru Ndow
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 09:42:38 -0700
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Actually Baba Leigh has been rather outspoken on many issues over the
years. For instance he serves on the board of Gamcotrap and has been
publicly opposed to female circumcision for a long time. Ylva
On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Ndey Jobarteh wrote:
> This is a new development, i almost thought that there are no other truthful
> and outspoken religious people in Gambia anymore. At least we know that we
> are safe, islamic/religious wise since some islamic scholars are seeing the
> true colours of Imam fatty.
>
> Remember we will always be judged by our deeds
>
> The Struggle Continues!!!
> Ndey Jobarteh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 24 September 1999 19:05
> Subject: Re: [Another Imams View On Fankanta]
>
>
> HI Brother,
>
> Thank you for this posting,I never had doubts that there are more
> intelligent
> Imams in the Gambia who know the Koran better than politicians who call them
> selves religious leaders.Imam Fatty and Banding Drammeh should declare their
> hidden political agendas than misusing public media to spread their
> reactionary messages.
>
>
> For Freedom
> Saiks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I saw the following from the GambiaNet issue of 17th. September 1999. Enjoy
> reading.
> Greetings
> Matarr M. Jeng
>
> "FANKANTA' CANNOT BE BANNED", SAYS IMAM BABA LEIGH
> As the controversy surrounding the newly introduced family planning concept
> commonly called 'Fankanta' , rages on among religious leaders, the imam of
> Kanifing housing estate mosque, Baba Leigh, had said that it can "never be
> outlawed because it is not illegal and not against Islam".
> Imam Leigh in his reaction to the earlier statement made by the president of
> the Gambia Supreme Islamic Council, Banding Drammeh, that his council would
> lobby for 'Fankanta' to be outlawed, told the Daily Observer, in an
> interview,
> that, 'Fankanta' is a development issue which goes beyond using
> contraceptives.
> "Islam supports 'Fankanta' because it is a religion which seeks peace,
> comfort
> and health for its adherents", he argued, adding that the utterances of the
> imam of State House, Abdoulie Fatty against the initiative is irrational and
> unittellectual.
> He accused Imam Fatty of misusing the government-controlled media "by
> aggressively attacking innocent individuals in the country", like the
> Ahmaiyyans.
> "It is not helpful to tarnish the image of the Ahmadiyyans. He should leave
> them because they have important projects in the country." The qur'an, he
> added, enjoins all muslims to be tolerant to other people's belief.
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:59:18 -0500
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Those of us who knew Baba Leigh from many of his lectures know that he =
has always had a clear stance on issues like this. He has always been =
sincere and straight-forward with the facts of the teachings of the Holy =
Quran. The funny thing is that his school of thought is pretty much the =
same as that of the others. I guess the difference lies in sincerity to =
oneself and objectives in life.=20
May Allah guide us all to the right path, the path of those with whom He =
has bestowed his blessings.
Ameen.
Abdoulie Jallow.=20
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From: Ylva Hernlund <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Another Imams View On Fankanta]
=20
=20
Actually Baba Leigh has been rather outspoken on many issues over =
the
years. For instance he serves on the board of Gamcotrap and has =
been
publicly opposed to female circumcision for a long time. Ylva
=20
On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Ndey Jobarteh wrote:
=20
> This is a new development, i almost thought that there are no =
other truthful
> and outspoken religious people in Gambia anymore. At least we know =
that we
> are safe, islamic/religious wise since some islamic scholars are =
seeing the
> true colours of Imam fatty.
>
> Remember we will always be judged by our deeds
>
> The Struggle Continues!!!
> Ndey Jobarteh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] =
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> Date: 24 September 1999 19:05
> Subject: Re: [Another Imams View On Fankanta]
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>
> HI Brother,
>
> Thank you for this posting,I never had doubts that there are more
> intelligent
> Imams in the Gambia who know the Koran better than politicians who =
call them
> selves religious leaders.Imam Fatty and Banding Drammeh should =
declare their
> hidden political agendas than misusing public media to spread =
their
> reactionary messages.
>
>
> For Freedom
> Saiks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I saw the following from the GambiaNet issue of 17th. September =
1999. Enjoy
> reading.
> Greetings
> Matarr M. Jeng
>
> "FANKANTA' CANNOT BE BANNED", SAYS IMAM BABA LEIGH
> As the controversy surrounding the newly introduced family =
planning concept
> commonly called 'Fankanta' , rages on among religious leaders, the =
imam of
> Kanifing housing estate mosque, Baba Leigh, had said that it can =
"never be
> outlawed because it is not illegal and not against Islam".
> Imam Leigh in his reaction to the earlier statement made by the =
president of
> the Gambia Supreme Islamic Council, Banding Drammeh, that his =
council would
> lobby for 'Fankanta' to be outlawed, told the Daily Observer, in =
an
> interview,
> that, 'Fankanta' is a development issue which goes beyond using
> contraceptives.
> "Islam supports 'Fankanta' because it is a religion which seeks =
peace,
> comfort
> and health for its adherents", he argued, adding that the =
utterances of the
> imam of State House, Abdoulie Fatty against the initiative is =
irrational and
> unittellectual.
> He accused Imam Fatty of misusing the government-controlled media =
"by
> aggressively attacking innocent individuals in the country", like =
the
> Ahmaiyyans.
> "It is not helpful to tarnish the image of the Ahmadiyyans. He =
should leave
> them because they have important projects in the country." The =
qur'an, he
> added, enjoins all muslims to be tolerant to other people's =
belief.
>
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us who knew Baba Leigh from many of his lectures know that he has always =
had a=20
clear stance on issues like this. He has always been sincere and=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original =
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</B>Ylva Hernlund <<A=20
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</B>Saturday, September 25, 1999 11:42 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: =
[Another=20
Imams View On Fankanta]<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>Actually Baba Leigh has =
been=20
rather outspoken on many issues over the<BR>years. For =
instance he=20
serves on the board of Gamcotrap and has been<BR>publicly opposed to =
female=20
circumcision for a long time. Ylva<BR><BR>On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, =
Ndey=20
Jobarteh wrote:<BR><BR>> This is a new development, i almost =
thought that=20
there are no other truthful<BR>> and outspoken religious people =
in Gambia=20
anymore. At least we know that we<BR>> are safe, =
islamic/religious wise=20
since some islamic scholars are seeing the<BR>> true colours of =
Imam=20
fatty.<BR>><BR>> Remember we will always be judged by our=20
deeds<BR>><BR>> The Struggle Continues!!!<BR>> Ndey=20
Jobarteh<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: =
saiks=20
samateh <<A=20
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Date: 24 September 1999 19:05<BR>> Subject: Re: [Another Imams =
View On=20
Fankanta]<BR>><BR>><BR>> HI Brother,<BR>><BR>> Thank =
you for=20
this posting,I never had doubts that there are more<BR>>=20
intelligent<BR>> Imams in the Gambia who know the Koran better =
than=20
politicians who call them<BR>> selves religious leaders.Imam =
Fatty and=20
Banding Drammeh should declare their<BR>> hidden political =
agendas than=20
misusing public media to spread their<BR>> reactionary=20
messages.<BR>><BR>><BR>> For Freedom<BR>>=20
=
Saiks<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>=
>=20
I saw the following from the GambiaNet issue of 17th. September =
1999.=20
Enjoy<BR>> reading.<BR>> Greetings<BR>> Matarr M.=20
Jeng<BR>><BR>> "FANKANTA' CANNOT BE BANNED", SAYS =
IMAM BABA=20
LEIGH<BR>> As the controversy surrounding the newly introduced =
family=20
planning concept<BR>> commonly called 'Fankanta' , rages on among =
religious leaders, the imam of<BR>> Kanifing housing estate =
mosque, Baba=20
Leigh, had said that it can "never be<BR>> outlawed because =
it is=20
not illegal and not against Islam".<BR>> Imam Leigh in his =
reaction=20
to the earlier statement made by the president of<BR>> the Gambia =
Supreme=20
Islamic Council, Banding Drammeh, that his council would<BR>> =
lobby for=20
'Fankanta' to be outlawed, told the Daily Observer, in an<BR>>=20
interview,<BR>> that, 'Fankanta' is a development issue which =
goes beyond=20
using<BR>> contraceptives.<BR>> "Islam supports =
'Fankanta'=20
because it is a religion which seeks peace,<BR>> comfort<BR>> =
and=20
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utterances of=20
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initiative is=20
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of=20
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aggressively=20
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the=20
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important=20
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AlanMbooj,
I have to appologise for not making it to the bank as promised, i will make
it this time round. You will see me soon at around October.
Back to the topic i think it will be interesting to see and hear out the
people one voted for. That is a fair judgement.
THe Struggle Cotninues!!
Ndey Jobarteh
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Date: 25 September 1999 14:18
Subject: Re: NO TV COVERAGE OF NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SITTINGS
>Ndey,
>
>Long time no see. You failed to turn up at the bank.
>
>Back to the topic. It is not in the interest of non performers for
sittings to be aired.
>
>
>
>
>
>=====
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>
>NEVER CRINGE, CROUCH OR CRAWL
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Habib wrote:
"Brother Kabir
"you are entitled to your opinion .
I just want to let you know that when someone comes to the center to ask =
for help they do not have the type of conscience you are talking about . =
They just want to survive. Many of
your distant relatives have needed our services and we are glad to help =
them.
Thank you for all your support .
"I hope you will one day be in a position to help out in a more positive =
way
Wasalaam"=20
Brother Habib,
When you say "Many of your distant relatives have needed our services =
and we are glad to help them", you should go on and give examples of =
which of 'my distant relatives' you are talking about. I hope no =
relative of mine, distant or close, would need to seek support from =
dirty money!
Your attitude is the type that encourages public officers to embezzle =
public funds with the 'justification' that "A sheep grazes where it is =
tethered". Human beings reducing themselves to the level of a sheep in =
order to justify their crime.
But we are humans and therefore must have consciences. We cannot behave =
like sheep or zombies just because we find it most convenient! I wonder =
why you find it justifiable to call for the boycott of certain =
institutions, like McDonalds for example, because of their policies in =
Arab lands but can't seem to extended that justification to issues like =
the one at hand. I say it is because of sheer hypocrisy! Principles =
should be consistent and not waived in some instances and maintained in =
others.
Regards.
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I meant to write:
But we are humans and therefore must have consciences. We cannot behave =
like sheep or zombies just because we find it most convenient! I wonder =
why you find it justifiable to call for the boycott of certain =
institutions, like McDonalds for example, because of their policies in =
Arab lands but can't seem to extend that justification to issues like =
the one at hand. I say it is because of sheer hypocrisy! Principles =
should be consistent and not waived in some instances and maintained in =
others.
Kabir.
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Habib wrote:
"Brother Kabir
"you are entitled to your opinion .
I just want to let you know that when someone comes to the center to ask =
for help they do not have the type of conscience you are talking about . =
They just want to survive. Many of
your distant relatives have needed our services and we are glad to help =
them.
Thank you for all your support .
"I hope you will one day be in a position to help out in a more positive =
way
Wasalaam"=20
Brother Habib,
When you say "Many of your distant relatives have needed our services =
and we are glad to help them", you should go on and give examples of =
which of 'my distant relatives' you are talking about. I hope no =
relative of mine, distant or close, would need to seek support from =
dirty money!
Your attitude is the type that encourages public officers to embezzle =
public funds with the 'justification' that "A sheep grazes where it is =
tethered". Human beings reducing themselves to the level of a sheep in =
order to justify their crime.
But we are humans and therefore must have consciences. We cannot behave =
like sheep or zombies just because we find it most convenient! I wonder =
why you find it justifiable to call for the boycott of certain =
institutions, like McDonalds for example, because of their policies in =
Arab lands but can't seem to extended that justification to issues like =
the one at hand. I say it is because of sheer hypocrisy! Principles =
should be consistent and not waived in some instances and maintained in =
others.
Regards.
Kabir.
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FYI
Part of the internationally coordinated Week of Emergency Protest
Actions, September 26-October 2, 1999.
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Join the protest September 30, 1999, in front of the New York Times office
to protest the ongoing U.S. bombing war inst Iraq and to demand the
immediate lifting of economic sanctions that have killed more than 1
million Iraqis since August 1990.
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What are economic sanctions? They are the decision by rich and powerful
countries to forbid poor countries to carry out trade. The poor countries
cannot buy or sell products. Their economies shut down. Their workers
become unemployed. Food products vanish. Medicine and health care products
disappear. Sanctions can kill more people than actual warfare. But the rich
countries can kill the people in poor countries without putting their own
soldiers at risk.
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The U.S. has used sanctions and regular bombing of Iraq for nine long years=
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More than one million Iraqis have died. Those responsible for this policy
should be put on trial for crimes against humanity and war crimes. Instead
of exposing this criminal policy, the New York Times functions like a
propaganda arm of the Pentagon and CIA. We want the truth, not lies!
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The United States government has carried out more than 10,000 combat or
combat support sorties since the conclusion of the so-called Operation
Desert Fox Operation between December 16-19, 1998. This is terrorism,
plain and simple.
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The people in the United States are led to believe by the pro-big business
media that the U.S. policy of economic strangulation of Iraq, coupled with
constant bombings of the country, is caused by the =93dictatorial=94 and
=93dangerous=94 government of Saddam Hussein. This is part of the propagan=
da
campaign by the criminals to make their victims appear to be the guilty
party.
The Clinton Administration is waging this against the people of Iraq becaus=
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the biggest U.S. oil monopolies and banks want to dominate Iraq=92s huge oi=
l
reserves (estimated to be 10% of the entire world=92s oil.) These ruthless
corporations don=92t care if there is a dictatorial regime in Iraq as long =
as
it would be a puppet government, like the governments in Saudi Arabia,
Kuwait and Israel.
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o
bombing! Lift the sanctions! Self-determination for the Iraqi people! Pleas=
e
join in protest in New York City on Thursday September 30, 1999 in front of
the New York Times.
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Emergency Protest Actions to Stop the War Against Iraq!
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Sunday, September 26 to Saturday, October 2, there are demonstrations
and other activities in New York City, San Franicisco, Los Angeles, Ann
Arbor, Minneapolis, Oregon, and other cities.
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DEMONSTRATION
Thursday, September 30, 5 pm
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May I ask how then does the national radio air recordings of the national
assembly sittings? Do they hide their electronic devices?
peace!!
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>Mr Basiru,
>You have touched on an important issue.
>As you may have been aware i work for GRTS as a News Reporter and
>Presenter.
>Basiru, i have personally tried a million times to cover the proceedings of
>the assembly in vein. The Clerk nor the Speaker will allow any recording
>device in the assembly.Perhaps,this rule should be properly looked into and
>allow the electorate to get to know about proceedings of the assembly,
>afterall it should be their right!
>Let us pick it up from this point.
>Thanks for your concern.
>HARONA
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>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
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>>Subject: NO TV COVERAGE OF NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SITTINGS
>>Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:01:44 -0500
>>
>>Mr T Saidy,
>> One would be imagining that since we now have a TV station, that
>>National
>>assembly sittings be covered by GRTS atleast to allow the electorate to
>>evaluate
>>the candidates they have voted for,ofcourse that is not happening.
>>Citizen
>>FM used
>>to do that but as you know the government shut it down, Your exposure to
>>the western
>>politics and the importance of the media would have help unless you want
>>to
>>close your
>>eyes. These kind of programmes will no doubt increase the awareness level
>>of the Gambian
>>people, atleast they will serve a better purpose than the BORING FAMILY
>>MATTERS that has
>>no relation to Gambian culture. May be you can throw some light on this
>>issue.
>> One more thing, Mr Lamin Manga is doing a great job on his Extra Touch
>>programme,
>>exposing talents of young Gambian musicians...good job ..
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Basiru Ndow
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Hello Ndey,
We are already in the process of trying to organise at such a level but =
I am sure you are aware of most of our people's attitude when it comes =
to organisations that are not strictly for partying purposes; which is =
one of the main reasons why we are the most disorganised people in the =
world and therefore the most vulnerable, both inside and outside of =
Africa.
I'll keep you personally posted.
Kabir.
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From: Ndey Jobarteh <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: 22. september 1999 05:28
Subject: Re: Actions speaks louder than words:
> Demba,
>=20
> I agree with you, this is a challenge to all Gambians living abroad. I =
will
> also suggest that those of us in theUK/Europe can follow suit or even
> start. Ebrima Ceesay what do you think about this? Those guys in
> Scandinavia, Kabir, Saiks, Sidibeh, Sahir and co, What do you think =
about
> this? Those in Africa and Outside the Gambia, Madi what do you think =
about
> this?
> After this we will call a re-union of Gambians abroad. Ooops I forget =
the
> guys in Asia, Mbye Jabang and co, what is your position on this?
>=20
> Guys Demba has posed a challenge can we do it or not?
>=20
> The Struggle Continnues!!!
> Ndey Jobarteh
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 20 September 1999 09:44
> Subject: Actions speaks louder than words:
>=20
>=20
> >Fellow brothers and sisters,
> > The debate to unite mother Africa is well stated =
among
> >the members of the G-L. May I please suggest that those of us living =
in
> the
> >United States and Canada start to mobilize ourselves and convey a =
forum on
> >the unity of our continent. We may either start by first conveying =
a
> >Gambian forum on the possibility of uniting our country to other =
African
> >nations or Just invite all Africans living in America and the =
environs. to
> >attend a general conference on uniting mother Africa.
> > The out come of such a forum will still determine how
> >possible we could influence the unity of our people. As Ndye and =
others
> >stated before, charity begins at home, so let us see if really we are =
ready
> >to put words into action.
> > I am quite confident that we have respected =
intellectuals
> >like Dr. Saine and others who can lead us to this vision of unity. =
Please
> >comment on this suggestion. The struggle continues.
> >God bless
> >Demba
> >
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Brother Kabir,
I am sorry if you are offended and please accept my apology.
As far as examples are concerned ,the zakat committee does not share confidential information of zakat requests to the public .It is only for our own records and I hope you understsnd that too.
Again
You are entitled to your opinion and what others do with their personal lives is their business . I will now put this matter to rest and close this chapter in our relationship.
Let us move forward please and look towards a better future.
If the present Government has offended you please direct it to them not me . i did not do any of what you have said therefore I cannot be responsible for anyone's mistakes not even my own son.
Thanks again
and sorry if I have offended you.
Habib
Amadu Kabir Njie wrote:
> I meant to write:
>
> But we are humans and therefore must have consciences. We cannot behave like sheep or zombies just because we find it most convenient! I wonder why you find it justifiable to call for the boycott of certain institutions, like McDonalds for example, because of their policies in Arab lands but can't seem to extend that justification to issues like the one at hand. I say it is because of sheer hypocrisy! Principles should be consistent and not waived in some instances and maintained in others.
>
> Kabir.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amadu Kabir Njie <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 25. september 1999 20:52
> Subject: Re: [Dictator Jammeh]
>
> Habib wrote:
>
> "Brother Kabir
> "you are entitled to your opinion .
> I just want to let you know that when someone comes to the center to ask for help they do not have the type of conscience you are talking about . They just want to survive. Many of
> your distant relatives have needed our services and we are glad to help them.
> Thank you for all your support .
>
> "I hope you will one day be in a position to help out in a more positive way
> Wasalaam"
>
> Brother Habib,
>
> When you say "Many of your distant relatives have needed our services and we are glad to help them", you should go on and give examples of which of 'my distant relatives' you are talking about. I hope no relative of mine, distant or close, would need to seek support from dirty money!
>
> Your attitude is the type that encourages public officers to embezzle public funds with the 'justification' that "A sheep grazes where it is tethered". Human beings reducing themselves to the level of a sheep in order to justify their crime.
>
> But we are humans and therefore must have consciences. We cannot behave like sheep or zombies just because we find it most convenient! I wonder why you find it justifiable to call for the boycott of certain institutions, like McDonalds for example, because of their policies in Arab lands but can't seem to extended that justification to issues like the one at hand. I say it is because of sheer hypocrisy! Principles should be consistent and not waived in some instances and maintained in others.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kabir.
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Habib,
I KNOW that no member of my family has solicited help from your =
organisation. As far as offending me is concerned, I just love to call a =
spade a spade and can't see why you are alluding that I am offended. As =
far as the present government is concerned, it has not done anything to =
me personally that it has not done to you. So it seems to me that it is =
you that's taking it personal!
When I see anything from any quarters, government or individual, that =
seems to militate against the interest of Gambians in particular and =
Africans in general, I let my opinion be known. I call that conscience =
and if we all had just a little bit more of that in us we wouldn't be =
the wretched of the earth that we are today and therefore would not need =
handouts.=20
Regards.
Kabir.
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From: Habib Ghanim, Sr <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: 26. september 1999 01:57
Subject: Re: [Dictator Jammeh]
> Brother Kabir,
>=20
> I am sorry if you are offended and please accept my apology.
> As far as examples are concerned ,the zakat committee does not share =
confidential information of zakat requests to the public .It is only for =
our own records and I hope you understsnd that too.
> Again
> You are entitled to your opinion and what others do with their =
personal lives is their business . I will now put this matter to rest =
and close this chapter in our relationship.
> Let us move forward please and look towards a better future.
> If the present Government has offended you please direct it to them =
not me . i did not do any of what you have said therefore I cannot be =
responsible for anyone's mistakes not even my own son.
> Thanks again
> and sorry if I have offended you.
>=20
> Habib
>=20
> Amadu Kabir Njie wrote:
>=20
> > I meant to write:
> >
> > But we are humans and therefore must have consciences. We cannot =
behave like sheep or zombies just because we find it most convenient! I =
wonder why you find it justifiable to call for the boycott of certain =
institutions, like McDonalds for example, because of their policies in =
Arab lands but can't seem to extend that justification to issues like =
the one at hand. I say it is because of sheer hypocrisy! Principles =
should be consistent and not waived in some instances and maintained in =
others.
> >
> > Kabir.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Amadu Kabir Njie <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: 25. september 1999 20:52
> > Subject: Re: [Dictator Jammeh]
> >
> > Habib wrote:
> >
> > "Brother Kabir
> > "you are entitled to your opinion .
> > I just want to let you know that when someone comes to the center to =
ask for help they do not have the type of conscience you are talking =
about . They just want to survive. Many of
> > your distant relatives have needed our services and we are glad to =
help them.
> > Thank you for all your support .
> >
> > "I hope you will one day be in a position to help out in a more =
positive way
> > Wasalaam"
> >
> > Brother Habib,
> >
> > When you say "Many of your distant relatives have needed our =
services and we are glad to help them", you should go on and give =
examples of which of 'my distant relatives' you are talking about. I =
hope no relative of mine, distant or close, would need to seek support =
from dirty money!
> >
> > Your attitude is the type that encourages public officers to =
embezzle public funds with the 'justification' that "A sheep grazes =
where it is tethered". Human beings reducing themselves to the level of =
a sheep in order to justify their crime.
> >
> > But we are humans and therefore must have consciences. We cannot =
behave like sheep or zombies just because we find it most convenient! I =
wonder why you find it justifiable to call for the boycott of certain =
institutions, like McDonalds for example, because of their policies in =
Arab lands but can't seem to extended that justification to issues like =
the one at hand. I say it is because of sheer hypocrisy! Principles =
should be consistent and not waived in some instances and maintained in =
others.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Kabir.
> >
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Mr. Drammeh,
I am flabbergasted to know that the non-coverage of the National Assembly
proceedings was due to the usual bureaucratic redtapes and not the lacklustre
attitude on the part of GRTS as presumed by most people. One would have
thought that atleast one of the reasons that justified and necessitated the
setting up of the TV Station is for The Gambian people to know first and
foremost what is going on in their country and the World over in every sphere
of life. More important for the former reason, is for Gambians to be able to
watch their political representatives debate the welfare of our dear Nation
and evaluate their performances thereafter; if that crucial and important
element is muzzled outrightly, according to your story which sounds utterly
credible. Then to put it mildly, the Government has fallen back on its
promises to Gambians which is very unfortunate at this moment when the quest
for press freedom is paramount and should be accorded its proper place . Let
us all remember that this and other crimes were the failings of the former
regime and there should emerge no reason for repeating them.
Therefore, I would urge the Authorities to take a critical look at this
matter and reverse whoever's decision it was, for this is of National concern
and interest and needs to be treated accordingly, to ward off any potential
political discord amongst Gambians.
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Kabir,
This is great i believe it is a start. I do agree with you but we just have
to keep the ball rolling. We will have to search for that window where we
can get things together. Am waiting for the rest to give feed backs.
The Struggle Continues!!
Ndey jobarteh
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From: Amadu Kabir Njie <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: 25 September 1999 21:55
Subject: Re: Actions speaks louder than words:
Hello Ndey,
We are already in the process of trying to organise at such a level but I am
sure you are aware of most of our people's attitude when it comes to
organisations that are not strictly for partying purposes; which is one of
the main reasons why we are the most disorganised people in the world and
therefore the most vulnerable, both inside and outside of Africa.
I'll keep you personally posted.
Kabir.
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From: Ndey Jobarteh <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: 22. september 1999 05:28
Subject: Re: Actions speaks louder than words:
> Demba,
>
> I agree with you, this is a challenge to all Gambians living abroad. I
will
> also suggest that those of us in theUK/Europe can follow suit or even
> start. Ebrima Ceesay what do you think about this? Those guys in
> Scandinavia, Kabir, Saiks, Sidibeh, Sahir and co, What do you think about
> this? Those in Africa and Outside the Gambia, Madi what do you think about
> this?
> After this we will call a re-union of Gambians abroad. Ooops I forget the
> guys in Asia, Mbye Jabang and co, what is your position on this?
>
> Guys Demba has posed a challenge can we do it or not?
>
> The Struggle Continnues!!!
> Ndey Jobarteh
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 20 September 1999 09:44
> Subject: Actions speaks louder than words:
>
>
> >Fellow brothers and sisters,
> > The debate to unite mother Africa is well stated
among
> >the members of the G-L. May I please suggest that those of us living in
> the
> >United States and Canada start to mobilize ourselves and convey a forum
on
> >the unity of our continent. We may either start by first conveying a
> >Gambian forum on the possibility of uniting our country to other African
> >nations or Just invite all Africans living in America and the environs.
to
> >attend a general conference on uniting mother Africa.
> > The out come of such a forum will still determine how
> >possible we could influence the unity of our people. As Ndye and others
> >stated before, charity begins at home, so let us see if really we are
ready
> >to put words into action.
> > I am quite confident that we have respected intellectuals
> >like Dr. Saine and others who can lead us to this vision of unity.
Please
> >comment on this suggestion. The struggle continues.
> >God bless
> >Demba
> >
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Hello Sisters and Brothers,
I am so happy to hear that most of us want to have a conference for African
Unity. This is a great idea. I am willing to work with anyone to make sure
this conference becomes a reality. In doing so, I would like to suggest that
we set up a committee of volunteers to start planning for this exciting
conference. This volunteer committee will look into a venue, date as well as
developing a proposal to fund the conference. I have volunteered to serve in
this committee. If anyone is interested, please let me know as soon as
possible. We need the following to start planning: 1. Volunteers who are
committed 2. Volunteers who take actions 3. Volunteers who are prepared to
sacrifice their time and energy 4. Volunteers who are prepared to face
criticism 5. Volunteers who want Africa to become a United States of Africa
6. Volunteers who are ready to put their words into practice. Fellow humans,
let us all put our heads together so that we can turn our words into positive
actions. United We Stand, Divided We Fall !!!!!!!!!!!!! May God bless us all.
Michael Ba Banutu-Gomez
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Well, we are also recovering from the effect of such a case. However, not
wanting to jump into any conclusiion, we do not know for a fact whether the
accused was actually still intoxicated or just exhausted. Magistrate Roche
is a qualifed lawyer and a prinicipal magistrate for that matter. She knows
that you cannot try a man or anybody for that who is still under the
influence of a liquor or substance.
Then again, we must be careful not to jump the gun. We do not know the state
of the accused. I personally was not in court at the time and ofcourse
remember the saying you can't always believe everything you read on the
newspapers! Until and unless we know exactly how the case was conducted, we
should all give
Magistrate Roche the benefit of a doubt. If it is an judgemental error it
sure will be rectified.
aji
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Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 04:04
Subject: Re: Question????
I will like our lawyers to help out on this too. THis is the craziest I have
ever heard of.
The Struggle Continues!!
Ndey Jobarteh
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Date: 25 September 1999 04:07
Subject: Question????
Help me on this one folks. does Gambia law allow trial of a person while
they are intoxicated?
Abdoulie Jallow
Fastest legal case in The Gambia?
In an unprecedented case, one Abdoulie Jallow, 30, a Guinean
born taxi driver was on Wednesday arrested, charged, convicted and sentenced
to eight years in jail or to pay a fine of D22,500 for drinking and driving,
within two hours of committing the offence.
The particulars of offence states that "Mr Jallow, on Wednesday
September 22, at around 8-9 am drove a mercedes benz registered number KM
2406 in a manner dangerous to the public; that on the same day, he failed to
stop his vehicle when required by a police officer in uniform contrary to
the Motor Vehicle Traffic Act."
When the charges were read to him in court, he pleaded guilty to
both counts. On count one, Jallow was sentenced to a five year prison term
or a fine of D20,000, and on count two, he got three years or a D2,500
fine.The prison terms are to run concurrently.
In his plea for mercy, Mr Jallow who was still drunk, lamented:
"I am a stranger in The Gambia. I do not know the Gambian laws. Please
forgive me."Our reporter sighted Jallow snoring heavily at the mobile
traffic unit offices after the sentence was passed.
The case was presided over by Magistrate HC Roche of the
Kanifing Court. The prosecution officer was First Class Corporal Baldeh..
Source: Weekend Observer 09/24/99
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Kabir,
I know Uncle Habib and I do know very well that he has conscience. He's been
there for many Gambians in the social and religious perspectives in the
Washington Metropolitan Area. Moreover, you need to watch your language. You
should not make any attempts to monopolize this site with Jammeh's critics.
Uncle Habib's opinion is entirely his and you don't have to agree with it.
Nevertheless, we must learn to communicate and make this site welcoming to
everybody regardless of one's political affiliation. If you think Uncle Habib
and his Mosque committee should not invite President Jammeh, please support
it with facts and not just emotions.
God bless The Gambia.
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Seedy,
You got to know that there are whole lot of guys out there, who talk crab.
Don't even have a clue of the happenings. They solely depends and get there
sources from rumors. No need to argue with them. One should be able to read
Between the lines period.
EB.
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Thank you brothers Seedy and EB,
I am really grateful for your kind words and speaking up honesty. May Allah
reward your honorable efforts in shedding some light here.Brother Kabir took the
whole thing out of context . It is sad when some of us (Gambians and non
Gambians) put a political twist to every move that people make without properly
investigating first.
Thanks again
Wasalaam
Habib Diab Ghanim
Seedy SaidyKhan wrote:
> Kabir,
>
> I know Uncle Habib and I do know very well that he has conscience. He's been
> there for many Gambians in the social and religious perspectives in the
> Washington Metropolitan Area. Moreover, you need to watch your language. You
> should not make any attempts to monopolize this site with Jammeh's critics.
> Uncle Habib's opinion is entirely his and you don't have to agree with it.
> Nevertheless, we must learn to communicate and make this site welcoming to
> everybody regardless of one's political affiliation. If you think Uncle Habib
> and his Mosque committee should not invite President Jammeh, please support
> it with facts and not just emotions.
>
> God bless The Gambia.
>
> S. S. Saidykhan.
>
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:32:53 EDT
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Kabir,
If you want to bring a true political change in The Gambia, you have to
participate in the political process. I bet you and Ndey can form a good
political party or join one of the already existing ones.
A reception was supposed to be held in honor of President Jammeh on Saturday
in Washington, DC. So obviously, he will meet Gambians.
We had Movement of Justice in Africa(MOJA-G). We also had Tombong and his
gang doing their things in the States, but I am not sure if the ousted
President Jawara ever met them. However, that never stopped them from their
struggle. Mr. Jammeh is no doubt a politician. Thus, he is very much aware of
his critics. Once again, he is meeting and will be meeting Gambians up to his
last day in the US.
Time will tell us that "change" can be bitter. But it can be adaptable, too.
Gambians today may be as poorer as they were twenty years ago. I have not
been to The Gambia for six years now. However, I am aware that unlike Mr.
Jawara, Mr. Jammeh talks about development and I think he also takes it very
seriously. The Yundum Airport is an example. The regime we had before
Jammeh's could not even build a single high school. I could remember shortly
after the 1977 general elections, a family man was fired from his job because
he was an NCP sympathizer. Also, I have seen people who went to look for jobs
and they were asked who their parents were. So their is a very little
difference between the two governments in some aspects. However, we should
not only look at development economically, but mentally as well. So we should
hold ourselves accountable for certain actions. Please remember that Mr.
Jammeh is been voted by the Gambian electorate. From what I understand, Mr.
Jammeh did not hire any outsiders to commit those atrocities in the country.
I have no doubt that he will learn from his mistakes to improve his human
rights records.
In order for us to bring about a meaningful change, we have to address this
"self imposed exile." Only a fraction of Gambians have access to this site.
So if you want your voices to be heard well, please take political platforms
at a local level. We need you there if you think you can make a difference.
So much junk mail! Who cares!
God bless The Gambia.
S. S. Saidykhan.
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:40:51 EDT
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Please make sure this conference is held in Africa.
Best of luck in your endeavors.
God bless Africa.
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:51:33 +0200
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<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Seedy,
> You got to know that there are whole lot of guys out there, who talk =
crab.
> Don't even have a clue of the happenings. They solely depends and get =
there
> sources from rumors. No need to argue with them. One should be able =
to read
> Between the lines period.
> EB.
>=20
No, no, no! You have it upside down!
It is the above that is crap!
By the way, a 'crab' is a sea creature that has multiple legs. So when =
you are done talking about 'crabs' and want to talk about issues of =
national interest you can then talk back to me!
Regards.
Kabir.
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:00:46 +0200
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Seedy SaidyKhan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Kabir,
>=20
> I know Uncle Habib and I do know very well that he has conscience. =
He's been
> there for many Gambians in the social and religious perspectives in =
the
> Washington Metropolitan Area. Moreover, you need to watch your =
language. You
> should not make any attempts to monopolize this site with Jammeh's =
critics.
> Uncle Habib's opinion is entirely his and you don't have to agree with =
it.
> Nevertheless, we must learn to communicate and make this site =
welcoming to
> everybody regardless of one's political affiliation. If you think =
Uncle Habib
> and his Mosque committee should not invite President Jammeh, please =
support
> it with facts and not just emotions.
>=20
> God bless The Gambia.
>=20
Brother Seedy,
Then issue here is not whether you know 'Uncle Habib' or not! When it =
comes to matters that concern the welfare of a whole country we cannot =
afford to base our arguments on whom we are acquainted with or =
otherwise.
My point is that we ALL have a moral, social, political and even a =
religious responsibility to make sure that The Gambia is not treated as =
anybody's personal property. Your 'Uncle Habib' himself said that his =
organisation is not interested in the legitimacy of the source of their =
funds, funds which are for 'zakat' purposes. It is that position that I =
have a problem with and which was the basis of my whole argument. Tell =
me where is the conscience here.
As far as monopolising the List by anti-Jammeh critics goes, you should =
know by now that Jammeh as a person is not an issue to me, but his deeds =
are because it is my country that in the final analysis that is =
affected.
As far as my language is concerned, it is always the nature of the issue =
being debated that matters to me and I choose my words accordingly. =
There are times for humorous postings and there are times when we must =
roll up our sleeves and deal with matters accordingly so that you must =
not always expect all my contributions to solicit a wry smile, just as I =
should not expect yours to. Nothing personal! Individuals matter little =
to me but issues do. So it sounds to me that you are the one being =
emotional here and not Kabir.
Regards.
Kabir.
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:22:10 +0200
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Hello everyone who's in on this,
I just felt that I had to jump in on this one for, it just happens that =
drunken driving in The Gambia is an issue that has bothered me for quite =
a while. Even though the point of discussion here is the validity of =
trying somebody in a state of drunkenness, I feel that we must widen the =
scope of the debate to include drunken driving itself.
It is a very common sight at home to see 'big men' with their cars =
parked outside bars whiles they booze and this is a phenomenon that has =
been going on for quite a while. I think that government should come =
down hard on these drunkards who put the lives of innocent people at =
risk by their careless behaviour.
I am not trying to justify the dispatch with which Abdoulie Jallow was =
tried and sentenced but rather that government should make it understood =
by examples that such disregard for the security of innocent citizens =
shall not be tolerated. This however, presupposes a disciplined police =
force that will carry out its duties without fear or favour.
Regards.
Kabir.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Aji Joof <[log in to unmask]>
> Well, we are also recovering from the effect of such a case. However, =
not
> wanting to jump into any conclusiion, we do not know for a fact =
whether the
> accused was actually still intoxicated or just exhausted. Magistrate =
Roche
> is a qualifed lawyer and a prinicipal magistrate for that matter. She =
knows
> that you cannot try a man or anybody for that who is still under the
> influence of a liquor or substance.
>=20
> Then again, we must be careful not to jump the gun. We do not know the =
state
> of the accused. I personally was not in court at the time and ofcourse
> remember the saying you can't always believe everything you read on =
the
> newspapers! Until and unless we know exactly how the case was =
conducted, we
> should all give
> Magistrate Roche the benefit of a doubt. If it is an judgemental error =
it
> sure will be rectified.
>=20
> aji
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ndey Jobarteh <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 04:04
> Subject: Re: Question????
>=20
>=20
> I will like our lawyers to help out on this too. THis is the craziest =
I have
> ever heard of.
>=20
>=20
> The Struggle Continues!!
> Ndey Jobarteh
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bamba Laye <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 25 September 1999 04:07
> Subject: Question????
>=20
>=20
> Help me on this one folks. does Gambia law allow trial of a person =
while
> they are intoxicated?
>=20
>=20
> Abdoulie Jallow
>=20
> Fastest legal case in The Gambia?
>=20
>=20
> In an unprecedented case, one Abdoulie Jallow, 30, a =
Guinean
> born taxi driver was on Wednesday arrested, charged, convicted and =
sentenced
> to eight years in jail or to pay a fine of D22,500 for drinking and =
driving,
> within two hours of committing the offence.
>=20
> The particulars of offence states that "Mr Jallow, on =
Wednesday
> September 22, at around 8-9 am drove a mercedes benz registered number =
KM
> 2406 in a manner dangerous to the public; that on the same day, he =
failed to
> stop his vehicle when required by a police officer in uniform contrary =
to
> the Motor Vehicle Traffic Act."
>=20
> When the charges were read to him in court, he pleaded =
guilty to
> both counts. On count one, Jallow was sentenced to a five year prison =
term
> or a fine of D20,000, and on count two, he got three years or a =
D2,500
> fine.The prison terms are to run concurrently.
>=20
> In his plea for mercy, Mr Jallow who was still drunk, =
lamented:
> "I am a stranger in The Gambia. I do not know the Gambian laws. =
Please
> forgive me."Our reporter sighted Jallow snoring heavily at the mobile
> traffic unit offices after the sentence was passed.
>=20
> The case was presided over by Magistrate HC Roche of the
> Kanifing Court. The prosecution officer was First Class Corporal =
Baldeh..
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Source: Weekend Observer 09/24/99
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:41:49 +0100
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Dear Mr Njie,
I share your passion on this subject but the issue is not about big men
parking their cars outside bars whilst they booze. This is about punishing
properly when they commit crimes which involves drunk driving. Two wrongs do
not make a right. Obviously when you try and convict someone whilst he was
not in a state to be tried, not matter how guilty he or she is, the decision
can be appealed against and because of that minor factor, the appeal may be
allowed and the decision overturn. What then would that say for justice!
What about the innocent victims and about the accused himself. How would he
be made to understand and appreciate the nature of the crime he has
committed.
NO! No! I am totally against getting scapegoats. I am totally against the
trial of individuals who were not fit for trial for want of a convict. It
would not serve any purpose. How would it affect the deterrence principle?
aji
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From: Amadu Kabir Njie <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sunday, September 26, 1999 10:04
Subject: Re: Question????
>Hello everyone who's in on this,
>
>I just felt that I had to jump in on this one for, it just happens that
drunken driving in The Gambia is an issue that has bothered me for quite a
while. Even though the point of discussion here is the validity of trying
somebody in a state of drunkenness, I feel that we must widen the scope of
the debate to include drunken driving itself.
>
>It is a very common sight at home to see 'big men' with their cars parked
outside bars whiles they booze and this is a phenomenon that has been going
on for quite a while. I think that government should come down hard on these
drunkards who put the lives of innocent people at risk by their careless
behaviour.
>
>I am not trying to justify the dispatch with which Abdoulie Jallow was
tried and sentenced but rather that government should make it understood by
examples that such disregard for the security of innocent citizens shall not
be tolerated. This however, presupposes a disciplined police force that will
carry out its duties without fear or favour.
>
>Regards.
>
>Kabir.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Aji Joof <[log in to unmask]>
>
>> Well, we are also recovering from the effect of such a case. However, not
>> wanting to jump into any conclusiion, we do not know for a fact whether
the
>> accused was actually still intoxicated or just exhausted. Magistrate
Roche
>> is a qualifed lawyer and a prinicipal magistrate for that matter. She
knows
>> that you cannot try a man or anybody for that who is still under the
>> influence of a liquor or substance.
>>
>> Then again, we must be careful not to jump the gun. We do not know the
state
>> of the accused. I personally was not in court at the time and ofcourse
>> remember the saying you can't always believe everything you read on the
>> newspapers! Until and unless we know exactly how the case was conducted,
we
>> should all give
>> Magistrate Roche the benefit of a doubt. If it is an judgemental error it
>> sure will be rectified.
>>
>> aji
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ndey Jobarteh <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 04:04
>> Subject: Re: Question????
>>
>>
>> I will like our lawyers to help out on this too. THis is the craziest I
have
>> ever heard of.
>>
>>
>> The Struggle Continues!!
>> Ndey Jobarteh
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bamba Laye <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: 25 September 1999 04:07
>> Subject: Question????
>>
>>
>> Help me on this one folks. does Gambia law allow trial of a person while
>> they are intoxicated?
>>
>>
>> Abdoulie Jallow
>>
>> Fastest legal case in The Gambia?
>>
>>
>> In an unprecedented case, one Abdoulie Jallow, 30, a Guinean
>> born taxi driver was on Wednesday arrested, charged, convicted and
sentenced
>> to eight years in jail or to pay a fine of D22,500 for drinking and
driving,
>> within two hours of committing the offence.
>>
>> The particulars of offence states that "Mr Jallow, on
Wednesday
>> September 22, at around 8-9 am drove a mercedes benz registered number KM
>> 2406 in a manner dangerous to the public; that on the same day, he failed
to
>> stop his vehicle when required by a police officer in uniform contrary to
>> the Motor Vehicle Traffic Act."
>>
>> When the charges were read to him in court, he pleaded guilty
to
>> both counts. On count one, Jallow was sentenced to a five year prison
term
>> or a fine of D20,000, and on count two, he got three years or a D2,500
>> fine.The prison terms are to run concurrently.
>>
>> In his plea for mercy, Mr Jallow who was still drunk,
lamented:
>> "I am a stranger in The Gambia. I do not know the Gambian laws. Please
>> forgive me."Our reporter sighted Jallow snoring heavily at the mobile
>> traffic unit offices after the sentence was passed.
>>
>> The case was presided over by Magistrate HC Roche of the
>> Kanifing Court. The prosecution officer was First Class Corporal Baldeh..
>>
>>
>>
>> Source: Weekend Observer 09/24/99
>>
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:30:48 +0200
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Seedy SaidyKhan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Kabir,
>=20
> If you want to bring a true political change in The Gambia, you have =
to
> participate in the political process. I bet you and Ndey can form a =
good
> political party or join one of the already existing ones.
>=20
> A reception was supposed to be held in honor of President Jammeh on =
Saturday
> in Washington, DC. So obviously, he will meet Gambians.
>=20
> We had Movement of Justice in Africa(MOJA-G). We also had Tombong and =
his
> gang doing their things in the States, but I am not sure if the ousted
> President Jawara ever met them. However, that never stopped them from =
their
> struggle. Mr. Jammeh is no doubt a politician. Thus, he is very much =
aware of
> his critics. Once again, he is meeting and will be meeting Gambians up =
to his
> last day in the US.
>=20
> Time will tell us that "change" can be bitter. But it can be =
adaptable, too.
>=20
> Gambians today may be as poorer as they were twenty years ago. I have =
not
> been to The Gambia for six years now. However, I am aware that unlike =
Mr.
> Jawara, Mr. Jammeh talks about development and I think he also takes =
it very
> seriously. The Yundum Airport is an example. The regime we had before
> Jammeh's could not even build a single high school. I could remember =
shortly
> after the 1977 general elections, a family man was fired from his job =
because
> he was an NCP sympathizer. Also, I have seen people who went to look =
for jobs
> and they were asked who their parents were. So their is a very little
> difference between the two governments in some aspects. However, we =
should
> not only look at development economically, but mentally as well. So we =
should
> hold ourselves accountable for certain actions. Please remember that =
Mr.
> Jammeh is been voted by the Gambian electorate. From what I =
understand, Mr.
> Jammeh did not hire any outsiders to commit those atrocities in the =
country.
> I have no doubt that he will learn from his mistakes to improve his =
human
> rights records.
>=20
> In order for us to bring about a meaningful change, we have to address =
this
> "self imposed exile." Only a fraction of Gambians have access to this =
site.
> So if you want your voices to be heard well, please take political =
platforms
> at a local level. We need you there if you think you can make a =
difference.
> So much junk mail! Who cares!
>=20
> God bless The Gambia.
Mr. SaidyKhan,
Are you sure this one was meant for me? If so you must have your facts =
straightened out. and for someone who is cautioning about the use of =
language it seems you need to heed your own advise.
And you need to get your facts straight because the issue here is not =
about political change in The Gambia, but rather an organisation for the =
unification of Africa and Africans wherever they are.
About joining an existing political party or starting one, if you knew =
me you would have known that I am already a militant member of MOJA-G =
which you mentioned above, and that I joined the movement whiles it was =
still banned because I believe it is my constiutional right to embrace =
any political organisation that embodies my political aspirations.
I was involved in MOJA-G whiles Jammeh was still at school!- so my =
politics has nothing to do with Jammeh as a person or nostalgia over =
Jawara's regime. In fact if you talk to people who know me personally, =
you will learn that I was more militant in my anti-Jawara stance than I =
have been against the present regime mainly because I was vehemently =
against the SeneGambia confederation and the occupation of my country by =
Senegalese troops. I am not against confederation as such, but I felt =
that Jawara had no right to mortgage our country just for his personal =
security and without the consent of Gambians!
I campaigned seriously against the confederation, even confronting =
Jawara's ambassador to England in public here in Oslo and got interviews =
in both national newspapers and the national TV here in Norway to =
sensitise the international community about the brutality of the =
behaviour of the Senegalese occupation troops.
In the issue of 'West Africa Magazine' of April 25th 1988 I wrote to the =
editor of the in response to an interview with Kukoi Samba Sanyang:
"SIR,
"EddieMomoh's interview with Kukoi Samba Sanyang (West Africa, March 28) =
was indeed interesting and should have taken place a long time ago. =
However, I am inclined to say that Mr. Sanyang owes Gambians a better =
explanation than he gave in the interview. Whatever the character of the =
Jawara government, Mr Sanyang's motives should be questioned and his =
adventurism strongly condemned. Events before, during and after the =
abortive coup provide us with a vivid picture of a power-hungry =
individual intent at grabbing power at whatever cost to the Gambian =
masses.
"His claim that he 'joined the National Convention Party merely as a =
formality but in actual fact had no confidence in the so-called =
democratic process in The Gambia' did not stop him from contesting the =
parliamentary seat in his ethnic area in the 1977 elections in which he =
sustained an overwhelming defeat.
"This dubious character then joined The Gambia Socialist Revolutionary =
Party, then led by the controversial Gibril George (a bankrupt =
businessman) whose subsequent murder he ordered following a power =
struggle at the paramilitary depot at Bakau. The catastrophic event of =
July 30th also witnessed the systematic hunting down and murder of Moja =
militants and the murder of Commander Bojang contrary to the belief of =
many that he is still alive.
"During the course of the tense political atmosphere that prevailed in =
the months leading to the coup attempt both Moja and the then =
underground 'Voice of the Future' which was distributed secretly through =
the country, had repeatedly warned about the threat posed by Senegal to =
Gambian nationhood. It therefore does not hold if Mr. Sanyang says that =
they had not foreseen the Senegalese factor. The popularity of July 30th =
is explained by the fact that Gambians were at this time so desperate =
for change that they rose in their thousands to support a misguided act. =
The result is that over 2,000 people lost their lives, whiles those who =
survived woke up to find themselves and their country mortgaged under =
dubious terms.
"If it is true that Mr. Sanyang represented a vast majority of the =
populace why did his 12-man Revolutionary Council consist of ten =
illiterates and one semi-literate and himself? Why did he continue to =
broadcast over Radio Gambia through a portable transmitter to the last =
of the rebels still holding out in the Kombos that he was still in =
control while in actual fact he was on his escape route? He claimed he =
was in no hurry to leave the Gambia but he was in enough hurry to =
hastily bury the brief case that contained the incriminating evidence =
against Che Yassin Secka (an attorney) that led to his conviction.
Amadou Kabir Njie"
You can verify the authenticity of this article from any source that =
contains achieves of the Magazine.
I share your opinion that in order to effect any meaningful political =
change one must be organised and work together with like-minded people =
to work towards your political objectives. So you see, my politics is =
not personal. I deal with the issues of the day and these are just some =
of the reasons why I wonder if this posting was meant for me or if you =
just love the sound of my name.
Kabir.
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Aji,
It seems you are missing my point. I said that I am not trying to =
justify the despatch with which Mr. Jallow was tried and sentenced. That =
cannot be defended!
What I am trying say is that government must look in the phenomenon of =
drunken driving which is very widespread at home. I am sure you yourself =
have given the issue a thought at one time or another. I said that the =
phenomenon has bothered me for some time and that it is time government =
take a look at the issue. Please go back and read my posting more calmly =
and you will see that I am not trying to justify trying a drunk person. =
They don't do that even in Russia.
Regards
Kabir.
> Dear Mr Njie,
>=20
> I share your passion on this subject but the issue is not about big =
men
> parking their cars outside bars whilst they booze. This is about =
punishing
> properly when they commit crimes which involves drunk driving. Two =
wrongs do
> not make a right. Obviously when you try and convict someone whilst he =
was
> not in a state to be tried, not matter how guilty he or she is, the =
decision
> can be appealed against and because of that minor factor, the appeal =
may be
> allowed and the decision overturn. What then would that say for =
justice!
> What about the innocent victims and about the accused himself. How =
would he
> be made to understand and appreciate the nature of the crime he has
> committed.
>=20
> NO! No! I am totally against getting scapegoats. I am totally against =
the
> trial of individuals who were not fit for trial for want of a =
convict. It
> would not serve any purpose. How would it affect the deterrence =
principle?
>=20
> aji
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amadu Kabir Njie <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Sunday, September 26, 1999 10:04
> Subject: Re: Question????
>=20
>=20
> >Hello everyone who's in on this,
> >
> >I just felt that I had to jump in on this one for, it just happens =
that
> drunken driving in The Gambia is an issue that has bothered me for =
quite a
> while. Even though the point of discussion here is the validity of =
trying
> somebody in a state of drunkenness, I feel that we must widen the =
scope of
> the debate to include drunken driving itself.
> >
> >It is a very common sight at home to see 'big men' with their cars =
parked
> outside bars whiles they booze and this is a phenomenon that has been =
going
> on for quite a while. I think that government should come down hard on =
these
> drunkards who put the lives of innocent people at risk by their =
careless
> behaviour.
> >
> >I am not trying to justify the dispatch with which Abdoulie Jallow =
was
> tried and sentenced but rather that government should make it =
understood by
> examples that such disregard for the security of innocent citizens =
shall not
> be tolerated. This however, presupposes a disciplined police force =
that will
> carry out its duties without fear or favour.
> >
> >Regards.
> >
> >Kabir.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Aji Joof <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> >> Well, we are also recovering from the effect of such a case. =
However, not
> >> wanting to jump into any conclusiion, we do not know for a fact =
whether
> the
> >> accused was actually still intoxicated or just exhausted. =
Magistrate
> Roche
> >> is a qualifed lawyer and a prinicipal magistrate for that matter. =
She
> knows
> >> that you cannot try a man or anybody for that who is still under =
the
> >> influence of a liquor or substance.
> >>
> >> Then again, we must be careful not to jump the gun. We do not know =
the
> state
> >> of the accused. I personally was not in court at the time and =
ofcourse
> >> remember the saying you can't always believe everything you read on =
the
> >> newspapers! Until and unless we know exactly how the case was =
conducted,
> we
> >> should all give
> >> Magistrate Roche the benefit of a doubt. If it is an judgemental =
error it
> >> sure will be rectified.
> >>
> >> aji
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ndey Jobarteh <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 04:04
> >> Subject: Re: Question????
> >>
> >>
> >> I will like our lawyers to help out on this too. THis is the =
craziest I
> have
> >> ever heard of.
> >>
> >>
> >> The Struggle Continues!!
> >> Ndey Jobarteh
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bamba Laye <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Date: 25 September 1999 04:07
> >> Subject: Question????
> >>
> >>
> >> Help me on this one folks. does Gambia law allow trial of a person =
while
> >> they are intoxicated?
> >>
> >>
> >> Abdoulie Jallow
> >>
> >> Fastest legal case in The Gambia?
> >>
> >>
> >> In an unprecedented case, one Abdoulie Jallow, 30, a =
Guinean
> >> born taxi driver was on Wednesday arrested, charged, convicted and
> sentenced
> >> to eight years in jail or to pay a fine of D22,500 for drinking and
> driving,
> >> within two hours of committing the offence.
> >>
> >> The particulars of offence states that "Mr Jallow, on
> Wednesday
> >> September 22, at around 8-9 am drove a mercedes benz registered =
number KM
> >> 2406 in a manner dangerous to the public; that on the same day, he =
failed
> to
> >> stop his vehicle when required by a police officer in uniform =
contrary to
> >> the Motor Vehicle Traffic Act."
> >>
> >> When the charges were read to him in court, he pleaded =
guilty
> to
> >> both counts. On count one, Jallow was sentenced to a five year =
prison
> term
> >> or a fine of D20,000, and on count two, he got three years or a =
D2,500
> >> fine.The prison terms are to run concurrently.
> >>
> >> In his plea for mercy, Mr Jallow who was still drunk,
> lamented:
> >> "I am a stranger in The Gambia. I do not know the Gambian laws. =
Please
> >> forgive me."Our reporter sighted Jallow snoring heavily at the =
mobile
> >> traffic unit offices after the sentence was passed.
> >>
> >> The case was presided over by Magistrate HC Roche of =
the
> >> Kanifing Court. The prosecution officer was First Class Corporal =
Baldeh..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Source: Weekend Observer 09/24/99
> >>
> >> =
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Brother Kabir
Please do not twist my words to suit your purposes . I never said We do not care about the legitimate of the funds. Be careful with what you say . Deformation of character can lead to a libel suit .
How can you check if anyone's money is legitimate without going through his personal life? and how he earns and so on and so on. How would you like if you were asked for your tax returns every time you go to buy food (or donate for that matter). let's be real.
I know you have good intentions but such a misrepresentation is not acceptable under any standards. Why do you think you are the only one with conscience? and want us to believe you know everything good or bad for Africa and the human race. So the rest of us do not know anything about what is going on as implied by you . There are certain things that no-one can change especially by force and only reason would surf ice in the final analysis. Com'n stop this nonsense and grow up.
If you want respect you must earn it first.
Habib Diab Ghanim
Amadu Kabir Njie wrote:
> Seedy SaidyKhan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Kabir,
> >
> > I know Uncle Habib and I do know very well that he has conscience. He's been
> > there for many Gambians in the social and religious perspectives in the
> > Washington Metropolitan Area. Moreover, you need to watch your language. You
> > should not make any attempts to monopolize this site with Jammeh's critics.
> > Uncle Habib's opinion is entirely his and you don't have to agree with it.
> > Nevertheless, we must learn to communicate and make this site welcoming to
> > everybody regardless of one's political affiliation. If you think Uncle Habib
> > and his Mosque committee should not invite President Jammeh, please support
> > it with facts and not just emotions.
> >
> > God bless The Gambia.
> >
>
> Brother Seedy,
>
> Then issue here is not whether you know 'Uncle Habib' or not! When it comes to matters that concern the welfare of a whole country we cannot afford to base our arguments on whom we are acquainted with or otherwise.
>
> My point is that we ALL have a moral, social, political and even a religious responsibility to make sure that The Gambia is not treated as anybody's personal property. Your 'Uncle Habib' himself said that his organisation is not interested in the legitimacy of the source of their funds, funds which are for 'zakat' purposes. It is that position that I have a problem with and which was the basis of my whole argument. Tell me where is the conscience here.
>
> As far as monopolising the List by anti-Jammeh critics goes, you should know by now that Jammeh as a person is not an issue to me, but his deeds are because it is my country that in the final analysis that is affected.
>
> As far as my language is concerned, it is always the nature of the issue being debated that matters to me and I choose my words accordingly. There are times for humorous postings and there are times when we must roll up our sleeves and deal with matters accordingly so that you must not always expect all my contributions to solicit a wry smile, just as I should not expect yours to. Nothing personal! Individuals matter little to me but issues do. So it sounds to me that you are the one being emotional here and not Kabir.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kabir.
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Suppose representatives of UDP, PDOIS and NRP retreat into a room somewhere
in town and work tirelessly until a deal is cut that encompasses to an extent
what each of them feels is the right path for the country. At the suceesful
conclusion of the talks leaders of all three parties emerge to publicly
initial the agreement and an addendum that broadly describes the agenda they
intend to pursue. Here is what I envisage to be at the core of such a
historic allaince.
1-A single slate for both the presidential and parliamentary elections that
would pin alliance members only against the APRC. This would mean the faction
with the most viable candidate would present the alliance's choice for a
particular constituency. This would avoid spliting the vote in such critical
constituencies as Serrekunda east and west.
2- A strategic decision to vigourously campaign for only 26 constiuency seats
because trying to equally compete in all would spread them too thin to
effectively do the kind of door to door campaign centered on personailities
crucial in electoral politics in Gambia
3-While the UDP would field the Presidential candidate, the agreement must
give Pdois atleast two cabinet portfolios they believe they can make the most
impact in with a clear cut mandate to shape it in a manner that reflects
their ideas. Similarly the NRP too should have one cabinet position. Besides
the cabinet allocations the coalition partners would all pertake in the
general direction of any and all government policy especially those at the
core of their agreed upon agenda. The presidency would be structured so that
the Chief Executive is able hear out all his partners enabling him to make
well informed decisions that do not necessarily reflect the minds of his
close aids even if those people turn out to be the best.
4-Since reforming the structure of the Gambia government which they all
concluded during their coalition talks is utterly dysfunctional, a small
technical group would be empanneled to come up with ideas that would tailor
the government to do the people's business in a much more efficient manner so
that by 2001 a blueprint for the new government structure would be ready for
implimentation.
Finally since this grand coalition would actually have be elected to begin to
reverse what has surely been a sorry post independence history, a manumental
effort to secure resources has to be a critical part of the entire effort.
In that case two things are clear: first they need a lot of mnoey to
successfully campaign since they would be either ostracised or totally
ignored by the shamefull entity that passes for our national media. Secondly
they would never be able to raise that kind of money from their supporters
who are already reeling under grinding poverty. That then leaves those of us
who are abroad to do all we can to give the coalition a fighting chance.
Sure it is a struggle for most of us out here , we are nonetheless the only
hope if we are ever going to make a difference. To this end assuming the
coalition comes into being before the end of the year, preparations can begin
for Mr Darboe , Mr Sallah and Mr Bah to embark on a one month swing into
Europe and North America with message in hand and appeal for all the help and
support they can get from us the sons and daugthers of Gambia and all the
while meeting US and European government officials. Here in the US they can
meet and raise funds in auditoriums, town houses and apartments in the
following regions where Gambians are centered: NewYork encompassing the New
Jersey area, the Washington DC metro area comprising of DC ,Maryland ,
Virginia and Pennsylvania,North Carolina , Atlanta where the very proficient
organiserscan get the folks from Texas and Florida to all come together
and finally to Seattle where people in California can join up. I am sure we
can have our great DJs, Kora players photographers and vodoe operators all
pitch in to make for very successful fund raisers. It might be physically
gruelling for the leaders but i am sure it is price they would very wiiliing
pay. A similar kind of swing can be arranged in Europe with special emphasis
laid on the need to meet as many people as possible. While they may not
return with a plane load of money , they would surely have had heard from us
the assurance that they are not alone in their battle to make a difference.
Helping them become a winning allaince, list members, would constitute the
greatest contribution we can make from afar. By the same token the opposition
politicians must realise that a divided house can never stand and they would
be condemning themselves to perpetual marginalisation and the nation to the
abyss if they insist on singularly taking on a ruthless tyrant. I say come
together now.
Karamba
european governmet officials
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Habib Ghanim, Sr <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> Brother Kabir
>=20
> Please do not twist my words to suit your purposes . I never said We =
do not care about the legitimate of the funds. Be careful with what you =
say . Deformation of character can lead to a libel suit .
> How can you check if anyone's money is legitimate without going =
through his personal life? and how he earns and so on and so on. How =
would you like if you were asked for your tax returns every time you go =
to buy food (or donate for that matter). let's be real.
>=20
> I know you have good intentions but such a misrepresentation is not =
acceptable under any standards. Why do you think you are the only one =
with conscience? and want us to believe you know everything good or bad =
for Africa and the human race. So the rest of us do not know anything =
about what is going on as implied by you . There are certain things that =
no-one can change especially by force and only reason would surf ice in =
the final analysis. Com'n stop this nonsense and grow up.
> If you want respect you must earn it first.
> Habib Diab Ghanim
>=20
Brother Habib,
Who 're you kidding?
You wrote in your reply to Saiks "If Jammeh comes he is welcome like any =
other worshipper including you and I .His money or Gambian money is =
not the issue".=20
You further said in another posting : "I declined based on that BUT I =
extended the invitation as the chairman of the fundraising Committee of =
MCC on the hopes that we will get a large donations
from him".
So go right ahead and institute a libel suit against me. You will be the =
laughing stock of the millennium. And where did I say that "I think am =
the only one with a conscience and that I want you to believe that I am =
the only one who knows everything good or bad for Africa and the human =
race. So the rest of you do not know anything about what is going on?
PLEASE go right ahead with your libel suit and you'll be met with a =
counter suit. I am not asking for any respect from you and it's you that =
needs to grow up and face reality and quit your escapist attitude!
Kabir.
=20
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"By the same token the opposition
politicians must realise that a divided house can never stand and they =
would
be condemning themselves to perpetual marginalisation and the nation to =
the
abyss if they insist on singularly taking on a ruthless tyrant. I say =
come
together now."
Karamba, I only hope that the opposition parties take heed to the above. =
I concur that it is the best solution for the political situation in The =
Gambia.=20
Abdoulie Jallow
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From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sunday, September 26, 1999 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: A winning Alliance
=20
=20
Suppose representatives of UDP, PDOIS and NRP retreat into a room =
somewhere
in town and work tirelessly until a deal is cut that encompasses to =
an extent
what each of them feels is the right path for the country. At the =
suceesful
conclusion of the talks leaders of all three parties emerge to =
publicly
initial the agreement and an addendum that broadly describes the =
agenda they
intend to pursue. Here is what I envisage to be at the core of such =
a
historic allaince.
1-A single slate for both the presidential and parliamentary =
elections that
would pin alliance members only against the APRC. This would mean =
the faction
with the most viable candidate would present the alliance's choice =
for a
particular constituency. This would avoid spliting the vote in such =
critical
constituencies as Serrekunda east and west.
2- A strategic decision to vigourously campaign for only 26 =
constiuency seats
because trying to equally compete in all would spread them too thin =
to
effectively do the kind of door to door campaign centered on =
personailities
crucial in electoral politics in Gambia
3-While the UDP would field the Presidential candidate, the =
agreement must
give Pdois atleast two cabinet portfolios they believe they can make =
the most
impact in with a clear cut mandate to shape it in a manner that =
reflects
their ideas. Similarly the NRP too should have one cabinet position. =
Besides
the cabinet allocations the coalition partners would all pertake in =
the
general direction of any and all government policy especially those =
at the
core of their agreed upon agenda. The presidency would be structured =
so that
the Chief Executive is able hear out all his partners enabling him =
to make
well informed decisions that do not necessarily reflect the minds of =
his
close aids even if those people turn out to be the best.
4-Since reforming the structure of the Gambia government which they =
all
concluded during their coalition talks is utterly dysfunctional, a =
small
technical group would be empanneled to come up with ideas that would =
tailor
the government to do the people's business in a much more efficient =
manner so
that by 2001 a blueprint for the new government structure would be =
ready for
implimentation.
=20
Finally since this grand coalition would actually have be elected to =
begin to
reverse what has surely been a sorry post independence history, a =
manumental
effort to secure resources has to be a critical part of the entire =
effort.
In that case two things are clear: first they need a lot of mnoey to
successfully campaign since they would be either ostracised or =
totally
ignored by the shamefull entity that passes for our national media. =
Secondly
they would never be able to raise that kind of money from their =
supporters
who are already reeling under grinding poverty. That then leaves =
those of us
who are abroad to do all we can to give the coalition a fighting =
chance.
Sure it is a struggle for most of us out here , we are nonetheless =
the only
hope if we are ever going to make a difference. To this end =
assuming the
coalition comes into being before the end of the year, preparations =
can begin
for Mr Darboe , Mr Sallah and Mr Bah to embark on a one month swing =
into
Europe and North America with message in hand and appeal for all the =
help and
support they can get from us the sons and daugthers of Gambia and =
all the
while meeting US and European government officials. Here in the US =
they can
meet and raise funds in auditoriums, town houses and apartments in =
the
following regions where Gambians are centered: NewYork encompassing =
the New
Jersey area, the Washington DC metro area comprising of DC ,Maryland =
,
Virginia and Pennsylvania,North Carolina , Atlanta where the very =
proficient
organiserscan get the folks from Texas and Florida to all come =
together
and finally to Seattle where people in California can join up. I am =
sure we
can have our great DJs, Kora players photographers and vodoe =
operators all
pitch in to make for very successful fund raisers. It might be =
physically
gruelling for the leaders but i am sure it is price they would very =
wiiliing
pay. A similar kind of swing can be arranged in Europe with special =
emphasis
laid on the need to meet as many people as possible. While they may =
not
return with a plane load of money , they would surely have had heard =
from us
the assurance that they are not alone in their battle to make a =
difference.
Helping them become a winning allaince, list members, would =
constitute the
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Alliance<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>Suppose representatives of UDP, =
PDOIS and=20
NRP retreat into a room somewhere<BR>in town and work tirelessly =
until a=20
deal is cut that encompasses to an extent<BR>what each of them =
feels=20
is the right path for the country. At the suceesful<BR>conclusion of =
the=20
talks leaders of all three parties emerge to publicly<BR>initial the =
agreement and an addendum that broadly describes the agenda =
they<BR>intend=20
to pursue. Here is what I envisage to be at the core of such =
a<BR>historic=20
allaince.<BR>1-A single slate for both the presidential and =
parliamentary=20
elections that<BR>would pin alliance members only against the =
APRC.=20
This would mean the faction<BR>with the most viable candidate would =
present=20
the alliance's choice for a<BR>particular constituency. This would =
avoid=20
spliting the vote in such critical<BR>constituencies as Serrekunda =
east and=20
west.<BR>2- A strategic decision to vigourously campaign for only 26 =
constiuency seats<BR>because trying to equally compete in all would =
spread=20
them too thin to<BR>effectively do the kind of door to door campaign =
centered on personailities<BR>crucial in electoral politics in=20
Gambia<BR>3-While the UDP would field the Presidential candidate, =
the=20
agreement must<BR>give Pdois atleast two cabinet portfolios they =
believe=20
they can make the most<BR>impact in with a clear cut mandate to =
shape it in=20
a manner that reflects<BR>their ideas. Similarly the NRP too should =
have one=20
cabinet position. Besides<BR>the cabinet allocations the coalition =
partners=20
would all pertake in the<BR>general direction of any and all =
government=20
policy especially those at the<BR>core of their agreed upon agenda. =
The=20
presidency would be structured so that<BR>the Chief Executive is =
able hear=20
out all his partners enabling him to make<BR>well informed decisions =
that do=20
not necessarily reflect the minds of his<BR>close aids even if those =
people=20
turn out to be the best.<BR>4-Since reforming the structure of the =
Gambia=20
government which they all<BR>concluded during their coalition talks =
is=20
utterly dysfunctional, a small<BR>technical group would be =
empanneled to=20
come up with ideas that would tailor<BR>the government to do the =
people's=20
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blueprint for=20
the new government structure would be ready=20
for<BR>implimentation.<BR><BR>Finally since this grand coalition =
would=20
actually have be elected to begin to<BR>reverse what has surely been =
a sorry=20
post independence history, a manumental<BR>effort to secure =
resources=20
has to be a critical part of the entire effort.<BR>In that case two =
things=20
are clear: first they need a lot of mnoey to<BR>successfully =
campaign since=20
they would be either ostracised or totally<BR>ignored by the =
shamefull=20
entity that passes for our national media. Secondly<BR>they =
would=20
never be able to raise that kind of money from their =
supporters<BR>who=20
are already reeling under grinding poverty. That then leaves those =
of=20
us<BR>who are abroad to do all we can to give the coalition a =
fighting=20
chance.<BR>Sure it is a struggle for most of us out here , we are=20
nonetheless the only<BR>hope if we are ever going to make a=20
difference. To this end assuming the<BR>coalition comes into being =
before=20
the end of the year, preparations can begin<BR>for Mr Darboe , Mr =
Sallah and=20
Mr Bah to embark on a one month swing into<BR>Europe and North =
America with=20
message in hand and appeal for all the help and<BR>support they can =
get from=20
us the sons and daugthers of Gambia and all the<BR>while =
meeting US=20
and European government officials. Here in the US they can<BR>meet =
and raise=20
funds in auditoriums, town houses and apartments in the<BR>following =
regions=20
where Gambians are centered: NewYork encompassing the New<BR>Jersey =
area,=20
the Washington DC metro area comprising of DC ,Maryland =
,<BR>Virginia and=20
Pennsylvania,North Carolina , Atlanta where the very=20
proficient<BR>organiserscan get the folks from Texas and =
Florida =20
to all come together<BR>and finally to Seattle where people in =
California=20
can join up. I am sure we<BR>can have our great DJs, Kora =
players=20
photographers and vodoe operators all<BR>pitch in to make for very=20
successful fund raisers. It might be physically<BR>gruelling for the =
leaders=20
but i am sure it is price they would very wiiliing<BR>pay. A similar =
kind of=20
swing can be arranged in Europe with special emphasis<BR>laid on the =
need to=20
meet as many people as possible. While they may not<BR>return with a =
plane=20
load of money , they would surely have had heard from us<BR>the =
assurance=20
that they are not alone in their battle to make a =
difference.<BR>Helping=20
them become a winning allaince, list members, would constitute=20
the<BR>greatest contribution we can make from afar. By the same =
token the=20
opposition<BR>politicians must realise that a divided house can =
never stand=20
and they would<BR>be condemning themselves to perpetual =
marginalisation and=20
the nation to the<BR>abyss if they insist on singularly taking on a =
ruthless=20
tyrant. I say come<BR>together=20
now.<BR><BR>Karamba<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>european governmet=20
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You have my support and commitment. I do fit in all those categories as a
volunteer.
The Struggle Continues!!!
Ndey Jobarteh
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Subject: Conference for African Unity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Hello Sisters and Brothers,
>I am so happy to hear that most of us want to have a conference for African
>Unity. This is a great idea. I am willing to work with anyone to make sure
>this conference becomes a reality. In doing so, I would like to suggest
that
>we set up a committee of volunteers to start planning for this exciting
>conference. This volunteer committee will look into a venue, date as well
as
>developing a proposal to fund the conference. I have volunteered to serve
in
>this committee. If anyone is interested, please let me know as soon as
>possible. We need the following to start planning: 1. Volunteers who are
>committed 2. Volunteers who take actions 3. Volunteers who are prepared to
>sacrifice their time and energy 4. Volunteers who are prepared to face
>criticism 5. Volunteers who want Africa to become a United States of
Africa
>6. Volunteers who are ready to put their words into practice. Fellow
humans,
>let us all put our heads together so that we can turn our words into
positive
>actions. United We Stand, Divided We Fall !!!!!!!!!!!!! May God bless us
all.
>Michael Ba Banutu-Gomez
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EB,
You are entilted to you opinion and disagreeing with people do not
neccesarily mean they talk crab. I think you need to adjust yourself and
accept constructive criticism. When something does not suit you, it does not
mean that is a crab. I thought you should know better the language of L. We
all get agitated and angry somtimes but that does not make it right to go
down that low.
THe Struggle Continues!!1
Ndey Jobarteh
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>Seedy,
>You got to know that there are whole lot of guys out there, who talk crab.
>Don't even have a clue of the happenings. They solely depends and get
there
>sources from rumors. No need to argue with them. One should be able to
read
>Between the lines period.
>EB.
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Seedy,
I think you miss the point. I for one will really want to see a political
change at home and am already part of the process. You are entitle to you
point ,ideas and of course i am entitle to mine.
It will be great if the President meet the Gambian Community at in the US.
If Jawara never did met with Gambians abroad that should not stop Jammeh
from doing it. Or are you telling me that it is the saying"Like Father Like
Son".
I also believe that you should wake up to the call cause building schools
and air ports is not what we call development. As you rightly said very few
have access to these sites as well as the schools you are talking about. How
many Gambians can pay their school fees? How many can finish their
schooling?
You see, Seedy i don't make comparison with Jammeh and Jawara cause to me is
a continuity. Making comparism will means one is better than the other. No,
it is a continuation from a bad to a worse system as simple as that. My
political platform is that Gambians deserve better and i will do anything, I
mean anything to forsee that it happen or lay the foundation for it.
Also, don't forget the politcal platform is what the gambians in the US are
asking from Jammeh today and that is becoming a cat and mouse game. Where
sub-commitees are formed to hide the true colours of the AFPRC regime. Why
the need for that?
You see, I believe that you choose the wrong topic to debate on, here we are
saying that Gambians abroad need to unity in a more practical bases not to
form a political platform but a forum to effect change, be it politcal,
social, economic, technology etc despite our politcal stands. That is what
we are calling for, the L has gone to a different level now, we have moved
from the stage you are now, to a semi- advance stage as to what can we do in
practical terms to effect changes. So, try to catch up with us and don't
just jump on issues. Or shall i say in the wrong topic.
by the way am glad that you are praying for Him to improve his human rights
record. Don't forget in human rights we don't mean the ability to only say
something but the right to better living standard and the ability to
understand and defend ones right.
Waiting for your re-bounce
THe struggle Continues!!!!
Ndey Jobarteh
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From: Seedy SaidyKhan <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 26 September 1999 07:33
Subject: Re: Actions speak louder than words:
>Kabir,
>
>If you want to bring a true political change in The Gambia, you have to
>participate in the political process. I bet you and Ndey can form a good
>political party or join one of the already existing ones.
>
>A reception was supposed to be held in honor of President Jammeh on
Saturday
>in Washington, DC. So obviously, he will meet Gambians.
>
>We had Movement of Justice in Africa(MOJA-G). We also had Tombong and his
>gang doing their things in the States, but I am not sure if the ousted
>President Jawara ever met them. However, that never stopped them from their
>struggle. Mr. Jammeh is no doubt a politician. Thus, he is very much aware
of
>his critics. Once again, he is meeting and will be meeting Gambians up to
his
>last day in the US.
>
>Time will tell us that "change" can be bitter. But it can be adaptable,
too.
>
>Gambians today may be as poorer as they were twenty years ago. I have not
>been to The Gambia for six years now. However, I am aware that unlike Mr.
>Jawara, Mr. Jammeh talks about development and I think he also takes it
very
>seriously. The Yundum Airport is an example. The regime we had before
>Jammeh's could not even build a single high school. I could remember
shortly
>after the 1977 general elections, a family man was fired from his job
because
>he was an NCP sympathizer. Also, I have seen people who went to look for
jobs
>and they were asked who their parents were. So their is a very little
>difference between the two governments in some aspects. However, we should
>not only look at development economically, but mentally as well. So we
should
>hold ourselves accountable for certain actions. Please remember that Mr.
>Jammeh is been voted by the Gambian electorate. From what I understand, Mr.
>Jammeh did not hire any outsiders to commit those atrocities in the
country.
>I have no doubt that he will learn from his mistakes to improve his human
>rights records.
>
>In order for us to bring about a meaningful change, we have to address this
>"self imposed exile." Only a fraction of Gambians have access to this site.
>So if you want your voices to be heard well, please take political
platforms
>at a local level. We need you there if you think you can make a difference.
>So much junk mail! Who cares!
>
>God bless The Gambia.
>
>S. S. Saidykhan.
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Kabir, Aji,
It is as important to curb the explosion of drunken driving in The =
Gambia as it is to prevent "kangaroo justice" spreading in our judicial =
system. As Aji has already pointed out, we must wait for the facts of =
the matter, but I doubt if the Observer report is not factual given the =
brutalization they have been through recently, I do not think they =
would attempt to report anything of this nature without making sure they =
have reliable sources.=20
Abdoulie Jallow
-----Original Message-----
From: Amadu Kabir Njie <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sunday, September 26, 1999 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: Question????
=20
=20
Aji,
=20
It seems you are missing my point. I said that I am not trying to =
justify the despatch with which Mr. Jallow was tried and sentenced. That =
cannot be defended!
=20
What I am trying say is that government must look in the phenomenon =
of drunken driving which is very widespread at home. I am sure you =
yourself have given the issue a thought at one time or another. I said =
that the phenomenon has bothered me for some time and that it is time =
government take a look at the issue. Please go back and read my posting =
more calmly and you will see that I am not trying to justify trying a =
drunk person. They don't do that even in Russia.
=20
Regards
=20
Kabir.
=20
=20
=20
=20
> Dear Mr Njie,
>=20
> I share your passion on this subject but the issue is not about =
big men
> parking their cars outside bars whilst they booze. This is about =
punishing
> properly when they commit crimes which involves drunk driving. Two =
wrongs do
> not make a right. Obviously when you try and convict someone =
whilst he was
> not in a state to be tried, not matter how guilty he or she is, =
the decision
> can be appealed against and because of that minor factor, the =
appeal may be
> allowed and the decision overturn. What then would that say for =
justice!
> What about the innocent victims and about the accused himself. How =
would he
> be made to understand and appreciate the nature of the crime he =
has
> committed.
>=20
> NO! No! I am totally against getting scapegoats. I am totally =
against the
> trial of individuals who were not fit for trial for want of a =
convict. It
> would not serve any purpose. How would it affect the deterrence =
principle?
>=20
> aji
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amadu Kabir Njie <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] =
<[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Sunday, September 26, 1999 10:04
> Subject: Re: Question????
>=20
>=20
> >Hello everyone who's in on this,
> >
> >I just felt that I had to jump in on this one for, it just =
happens that
> drunken driving in The Gambia is an issue that has bothered me for =
quite a
> while. Even though the point of discussion here is the validity of =
trying
> somebody in a state of drunkenness, I feel that we must widen the =
scope of
> the debate to include drunken driving itself.
> >
> >It is a very common sight at home to see 'big men' with their =
cars parked
> outside bars whiles they booze and this is a phenomenon that has =
been going
> on for quite a while. I think that government should come down =
hard on these
> drunkards who put the lives of innocent people at risk by their =
careless
> behaviour.
> >
> >I am not trying to justify the dispatch with which Abdoulie =
Jallow was
> tried and sentenced but rather that government should make it =
understood by
> examples that such disregard for the security of innocent citizens =
shall not
> be tolerated. This however, presupposes a disciplined police force =
that will
> carry out its duties without fear or favour.
> >
> >Regards.
> >
> >Kabir.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Aji Joof <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> >> Well, we are also recovering from the effect of such a case. =
However, not
> >> wanting to jump into any conclusiion, we do not know for a fact =
whether
> the
> >> accused was actually still intoxicated or just exhausted. =
Magistrate
> Roche
> >> is a qualifed lawyer and a prinicipal magistrate for that =
matter. She
> knows
> >> that you cannot try a man or anybody for that who is still =
under the
> >> influence of a liquor or substance.
> >>
> >> Then again, we must be careful not to jump the gun. We do not =
know the
> state
> >> of the accused. I personally was not in court at the time and =
ofcourse
> >> remember the saying you can't always believe everything you =
read on the
> >> newspapers! Until and unless we know exactly how the case was =
conducted,
> we
> >> should all give
> >> Magistrate Roche the benefit of a doubt. If it is an =
judgemental error it
> >> sure will be rectified.
> >>
> >> aji
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ndey Jobarteh <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: [log in to unmask] =
<[log in to unmask]>
> >> Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 04:04
> >> Subject: Re: Question????
> >>
> >>
> >> I will like our lawyers to help out on this too. THis is the =
craziest I
> have
> >> ever heard of.
> >>
> >>
> >> The Struggle Continues!!
> >> Ndey Jobarteh
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bamba Laye <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: [log in to unmask] =
<[log in to unmask]>
> >> Date: 25 September 1999 04:07
> >> Subject: Question????
> >>
> >>
> >> Help me on this one folks. does Gambia law allow trial of a =
person while
> >> they are intoxicated?
> >>
> >>
> >> Abdoulie Jallow
> >>
> >> Fastest legal case in The Gambia?
> >>
> >>
> >> In an unprecedented case, one Abdoulie Jallow, 30, =
a Guinean
> >> born taxi driver was on Wednesday arrested, charged, convicted =
and
> sentenced
> >> to eight years in jail or to pay a fine of D22,500 for drinking =
and
> driving,
> >> within two hours of committing the offence.
> >>
> >> The particulars of offence states that "Mr Jallow, =
on
> Wednesday
> >> September 22, at around 8-9 am drove a mercedes benz registered =
number KM
> >> 2406 in a manner dangerous to the public; that on the same day, =
he failed
> to
> >> stop his vehicle when required by a police officer in uniform =
contrary to
> >> the Motor Vehicle Traffic Act."
> >>
> >> When the charges were read to him in court, he =
pleaded guilty
> to
> >> both counts. On count one, Jallow was sentenced to a five year =
prison
> term
> >> or a fine of D20,000, and on count two, he got three years or =
a D2,500
> >> fine.The prison terms are to run concurrently.
> >>
> >> In his plea for mercy, Mr Jallow who was still =
drunk,
> lamented:
> >> "I am a stranger in The Gambia. I do not know the Gambian =
laws. Please
> >> forgive me."Our reporter sighted Jallow snoring heavily at the =
mobile
> >> traffic unit offices after the sentence was passed.
> >>
> >> The case was presided over by Magistrate HC Roche =
of the
> >> Kanifing Court. The prosecution officer was First Class =
Corporal Baldeh..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Source: Weekend Observer 09/24/99
> >>
> >> =
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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode" =
size=3D2>It is as=20
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is to=20
prevent "kangaroo justice" spreading in our judicial =
system. As=20
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brutalization they=20
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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode" size=3D2>Abdoulie=20
Jallow</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original =
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=20
</B>Amadu Kabir Njie <<A=20
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</B>Sunday, September 26, 1999 6:39 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re:=20
Question????<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>Aji,<BR><BR>It seems you are =
missing my=20
point. I said that I am not trying to justify the despatch with =
which Mr.=20
Jallow was tried and sentenced. That cannot be defended!<BR><BR>What =
I am=20
trying say is that government must look in the phenomenon of drunken =
driving=20
which is very widespread at home. I am sure you yourself have given =
the=20
issue a thought at one time or another. I said that the phenomenon =
has=20
bothered me for some time and that it is time government take a look =
at the=20
issue. Please go back and read my posting more calmly and you will =
see that=20
I am not trying to justify trying a drunk person. They don't do that =
even in=20
Russia.<BR><BR>Regards<BR><BR>Kabir.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> Dear Mr =
Njie,<BR>> <BR>> I share your passion on this subject but the =
issue is=20
not about big men<BR>> parking their cars outside bars whilst =
they booze.=20
This is about punishing<BR>> properly when they commit crimes =
which=20
involves drunk driving. Two wrongs do<BR>> not make a right. =
Obviously=20
when you try and convict someone whilst he was<BR>> not in a =
state to be=20
tried, not matter how guilty he or she is, the decision<BR>> can =
be=20
appealed against and because of that minor factor, the appeal may =
be<BR>>=20
allowed and the decision overturn. What then would that say for=20
justice!<BR>> What about the innocent victims and about the =
accused=20
himself. How would he<BR>> be made to understand and appreciate =
the=20
nature of the crime he has<BR>> committed.<BR>> <BR>> NO! =
No! I am=20
totally against getting scapegoats. I am totally against the<BR>> =
trial=20
of individuals who were not fit for trial for want of a =
convict.=20
It<BR>> would not serve any purpose. How would it affect the =
deterrence=20
principle?<BR>> <BR>> aji<BR>> -----Original =
Message-----<BR>>=20
From: Amadu Kabir Njie <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>><BR>> To: <A =
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Date: Sunday, September 26, 1999 10:04<BR>> Subject: Re:=20
Question????<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> >Hello everyone who's in =
on=20
this,<BR>> ><BR>> >I just felt that I had to jump in on =
this one=20
for, it just happens that<BR>> drunken driving in The Gambia is =
an issue=20
that has bothered me for quite a<BR>> while. Even though the =
point of=20
discussion here is the validity of trying<BR>> somebody in a =
state of=20
drunkenness, I feel that we must widen the scope of<BR>> the =
debate to=20
include drunken driving itself.<BR>> ><BR>> >It is a =
very common=20
sight at home to see 'big men' with their cars parked<BR>> =
outside bars=20
whiles they booze and this is a phenomenon that has been =
going<BR>> on=20
for quite a while. I think that government should come down hard on=20
these<BR>> drunkards who put the lives of innocent people at risk =
by=20
their careless<BR>> behaviour.<BR>> ><BR>> >I am not =
trying=20
to justify the dispatch with which Abdoulie Jallow was<BR>> tried =
and=20
sentenced but rather that government should make it understood =
by<BR>>=20
examples that such disregard for the security of innocent citizens =
shall=20
not<BR>> be tolerated. This however, presupposes a disciplined =
police=20
force that will<BR>> carry out its duties without fear or =
favour.<BR>>=20
><BR>> >Regards.<BR>> ><BR>> >Kabir.<BR>>=20
><BR>> ><BR>> >----- Original Message -----<BR>> =
>From:=20
Aji Joof <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>><BR>>=20
><BR>> >> Well, we are also recovering from the effect =
of such a=20
case. However, not<BR>> >> wanting to jump into any =
conclusiion, we=20
do not know for a fact whether<BR>> the<BR>> >> accused =
was=20
actually still intoxicated or just exhausted. =
Magistrate<BR>>=20
Roche<BR>> >> is a qualifed lawyer and a prinicipal =
magistrate for=20
that matter. She<BR>> knows<BR>> >> that you cannot try =
a man or=20
anybody for that who is still under the<BR>> >> influence =
of a=20
liquor or substance.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Then =
again, we=20
must be careful not to jump the gun. We do not know the<BR>>=20
state<BR>> >> of the accused. I personally was not in court =
at the=20
time and ofcourse<BR>> >> remember the saying you can't =
always=20
believe everything you read on the<BR>> >> newspapers! =
Until and=20
unless we know exactly how the case was conducted,<BR>> =
we<BR>>=20
>> should all give<BR>> >> Magistrate Roche the =
benefit of a=20
doubt. If it is an judgemental error it<BR>> >> sure will =
be=20
rectified.<BR>> >><BR>> >> aji<BR>> >>=20
-----Original Message-----<BR>> >> From: Ndey Jobarteh =
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>> Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 04:04<BR>> >> =
Subject:=20
Re: Question????<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> =
I will=20
like our lawyers to help out on this too. THis is the craziest =
I<BR>>=20
have<BR>> >> ever heard of.<BR>> >><BR>>=20
>><BR>> >> The Struggle Continues!!<BR>> >> =
Ndey=20
Jobarteh<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> =
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>> Date: 25 September 1999 04:07<BR>> >> Subject:=20
Question????<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Help =
me on=20
this one folks. does Gambia law allow trial of a person =
while<BR>>=20
>> they are intoxicated?<BR>> >><BR>> =
>><BR>>=20
>> Abdoulie Jallow<BR>> >><BR>> >> Fastest =
legal=20
case in The Gambia?<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>>=20
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>>  =
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In an unprecedented case, one Abdoulie Jallow, 30, a Guinean<BR>> =
>> born taxi driver was on Wednesday arrested, charged, =
convicted=20
and<BR>> sentenced<BR>> >> to eight years in jail or to =
pay a=20
fine of D22,500 for drinking and<BR>> driving,<BR>> >> =
within=20
two hours of committing the offence.<BR>> >><BR>>=20
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>>  =
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The particulars of offence states that "Mr Jallow, on<BR>>=20
Wednesday<BR>> >> September 22, at around 8-9 am drove a =
mercedes=20
benz registered number KM<BR>> >> 2406 in a manner =
dangerous to the=20
public; that on the same day, he failed<BR>> to<BR>> >> =
stop his=20
vehicle when required by a police officer in uniform contrary =
to<BR>>=20
>> the Motor Vehicle Traffic Act."<BR>> =
>><BR>>=20
=
>>  =
; =20
When the charges were read to him in court, he pleaded =
guilty<BR>>=20
to<BR>> >> both counts. On count one, Jallow was sentenced =
to a=20
five year prison<BR>> term<BR>> >> or a fine of =
D20,000,=20
and on count two, he got three years or a D2,500<BR>> >> =
fine.The=20
prison terms are to run concurrently.<BR>> >><BR>>=20
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>>  =
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In his plea for mercy, Mr Jallow who was still drunk,<BR>>=20
lamented:<BR>> >> "I am a stranger in The =
Gambia. I do=20
not know the Gambian laws. Please<BR>> >> forgive=20
me."Our reporter sighted Jallow snoring heavily at the =
mobile<BR>>=20
>> traffic unit offices after the sentence was passed.<BR>> =
>><BR>>=20
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The case was presided over by Magistrate HC Roche of the<BR>> =
>>=20
Kanifing Court. The prosecution officer was First Class Corporal=20
Baldeh..<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> =
>>=20
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Aji,
It will be good to know what really happen. To clear the air out caused i am
amuzed by it. As you can see the issue is raising the importance of
outlawing drink driving and making sure that the drivers are not drunk while
driving.
The Struggle continues!!!
Ndey jobarteh
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From: Aji Joof <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 26 September 1999 02:32
Subject: Re: Question????
>Well, we are also recovering from the effect of such a case. However, not
>wanting to jump into any conclusiion, we do not know for a fact whether the
>accused was actually still intoxicated or just exhausted. Magistrate Roche
>is a qualifed lawyer and a prinicipal magistrate for that matter. She knows
>that you cannot try a man or anybody for that who is still under the
>influence of a liquor or substance.
>
>Then again, we must be careful not to jump the gun. We do not know the
state
>of the accused. I personally was not in court at the time and ofcourse
>remember the saying you can't always believe everything you read on the
>newspapers! Until and unless we know exactly how the case was conducted, we
>should all give
>Magistrate Roche the benefit of a doubt. If it is an judgemental error it
>sure will be rectified.
>
>aji
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ndey Jobarteh <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 04:04
>Subject: Re: Question????
>
>
>I will like our lawyers to help out on this too. THis is the craziest I
have
>ever heard of.
>
>
>The Struggle Continues!!
>Ndey Jobarteh
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bamba Laye <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: 25 September 1999 04:07
>Subject: Question????
>
>
>Help me on this one folks. does Gambia law allow trial of a person while
>they are intoxicated?
>
>
>Abdoulie Jallow
>
>Fastest legal case in The Gambia?
>
>
> In an unprecedented case, one Abdoulie Jallow, 30, a Guinean
>born taxi driver was on Wednesday arrested, charged, convicted and
sentenced
>to eight years in jail or to pay a fine of D22,500 for drinking and
driving,
>within two hours of committing the offence.
>
> The particulars of offence states that "Mr Jallow, on Wednesday
>September 22, at around 8-9 am drove a mercedes benz registered number KM
>2406 in a manner dangerous to the public; that on the same day, he failed
to
>stop his vehicle when required by a police officer in uniform contrary to
>the Motor Vehicle Traffic Act."
>
> When the charges were read to him in court, he pleaded guilty
to
>both counts. On count one, Jallow was sentenced to a five year prison term
>or a fine of D20,000, and on count two, he got three years or a D2,500
>fine.The prison terms are to run concurrently.
>
> In his plea for mercy, Mr Jallow who was still drunk, lamented:
>"I am a stranger in The Gambia. I do not know the Gambian laws. Please
>forgive me."Our reporter sighted Jallow snoring heavily at the mobile
>traffic unit offices after the sentence was passed.
>
> The case was presided over by Magistrate HC Roche of the
>Kanifing Court. The prosecution officer was First Class Corporal Baldeh..
>
>
>
>Source: Weekend Observer 09/24/99
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Karamba,
This is a good one, as you might observe the cry for the unification of
Gambians abroad as a foundation to the African Unity or liberation.
The situation at home need an urgent attention both at the opposition and
the individual level be it at home or abroad.
The Struggle Continues!!!
Ndey jobarteh
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Date: 26 September 1999 16:49
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>Suppose representatives of UDP, PDOIS and NRP retreat into a room
somewhere
>in town and work tirelessly until a deal is cut that encompasses to an
extent
>what each of them feels is the right path for the country. At the
suceesful
>conclusion of the talks leaders of all three parties emerge to publicly
>initial the agreement and an addendum that broadly describes the agenda
they
>intend to pursue. Here is what I envisage to be at the core of such a
>historic allaince.
>1-A single slate for both the presidential and parliamentary elections
that
>would pin alliance members only against the APRC. This would mean the
faction
>with the most viable candidate would present the alliance's choice for a
>particular constituency. This would avoid spliting the vote in such
critical
>constituencies as Serrekunda east and west.
>2- A strategic decision to vigourously campaign for only 26 constiuency
seats
>because trying to equally compete in all would spread them too thin to
>effectively do the kind of door to door campaign centered on personailities
>crucial in electoral politics in Gambia
>3-While the UDP would field the Presidential candidate, the agreement must
>give Pdois atleast two cabinet portfolios they believe they can make the
most
>impact in with a clear cut mandate to shape it in a manner that reflects
>their ideas. Similarly the NRP too should have one cabinet position.
Besides
>the cabinet allocations the coalition partners would all pertake in the
>general direction of any and all government policy especially those at the
>core of their agreed upon agenda. The presidency would be structured so
that
>the Chief Executive is able hear out all his partners enabling him to make
>well informed decisions that do not necessarily reflect the minds of his
>close aids even if those people turn out to be the best.
>4-Since reforming the structure of the Gambia government which they all
>concluded during their coalition talks is utterly dysfunctional, a small
>technical group would be empanneled to come up with ideas that would tailor
>the government to do the people's business in a much more efficient manner
so
>that by 2001 a blueprint for the new government structure would be ready
for
>implimentation.
>
>Finally since this grand coalition would actually have be elected to begin
to
>reverse what has surely been a sorry post independence history, a
manumental
>effort to secure resources has to be a critical part of the entire effort.
>In that case two things are clear: first they need a lot of mnoey to
>successfully campaign since they would be either ostracised or totally
>ignored by the shamefull entity that passes for our national media.
Secondly
>they would never be able to raise that kind of money from their supporters
>who are already reeling under grinding poverty. That then leaves those of
us
>who are abroad to do all we can to give the coalition a fighting chance.
>Sure it is a struggle for most of us out here , we are nonetheless the only
>hope if we are ever going to make a difference. To this end assuming the
>coalition comes into being before the end of the year, preparations can
begin
>for Mr Darboe , Mr Sallah and Mr Bah to embark on a one month swing into
>Europe and North America with message in hand and appeal for all the help
and
>support they can get from us the sons and daugthers of Gambia and all the
>while meeting US and European government officials. Here in the US they can
>meet and raise funds in auditoriums, town houses and apartments in the
>following regions where Gambians are centered: NewYork encompassing the New
>Jersey area, the Washington DC metro area comprising of DC ,Maryland ,
>Virginia and Pennsylvania,North Carolina , Atlanta where the very
proficient
>organiserscan get the folks from Texas and Florida to all come together
>and finally to Seattle where people in California can join up. I am sure we
>can have our great DJs, Kora players photographers and vodoe operators all
>pitch in to make for very successful fund raisers. It might be physically
>gruelling for the leaders but i am sure it is price they would very
wiiliing
>pay. A similar kind of swing can be arranged in Europe with special
emphasis
>laid on the need to meet as many people as possible. While they may not
>return with a plane load of money , they would surely have had heard from
us
>the assurance that they are not alone in their battle to make a difference.
>Helping them become a winning allaince, list members, would constitute the
>greatest contribution we can make from afar. By the same token the
opposition
>politicians must realise that a divided house can never stand and they
would
>be condemning themselves to perpetual marginalisation and the nation to the
>abyss if they insist on singularly taking on a ruthless tyrant. I say come
>together now.
>
>Karamba
>
>
>
>
>european governmet officials
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Here is pioneering research paper by Sheikh Mohammed Shihabuddin Nadvi,
a leading Islamic luminary of the present Muslim world.
Cloning Testifies Resurrection
Man has confirmed the Islamic belief by this experiment and refuted
materialism
Does a buried man be raised again? Is the resurrection possible when all
the parts of the dead body have been either scattered, destroyed or have
turned into dust alone? Right from the yore to the present day, all men
who do not believe in God and His powers have been refuting the very
idea of resurrection as it was advocated by religion. The atheists and
the materialists have been condemning this concept as mere human fantasy
and religious innovation. They claim that they have no rational basis at
all.
Resurrection is Inevitable Truth
A great blow has been hurled on to the claims of these so-called
rationalists. Cloning has successfully produced a replica of an animal
through a process which does not involve any sexual intercourse. This
development of a cell into a full-fledged living entity does provide an
irrefutable proof of the claim of resurrection by religion. Whatever
might be the purpose and aim of such an experiment, none can dare
dismiss the happening of the Resurrection Day now!
Sowing Human Beings
The possible happening of the Doom's Day has been made light of or even
laughed at by scientists themselves and others enamoured by science
equally! Reviving a dead after complete destruction was a far-fetched
myth. And now when the Scot scientist Ian Wilmut has produced a carbon
copy of the mother by taking a cell from her and developing it in the
laboratory, they are holding their breath! Such successful experiments
have been carried on frogs and monkeys too! It is now possible to
manufacture an exact replica of a human being by developing the cell in
a laboratory and then implanting it in a foetus taken on hire. And all
this would be without involving any sexual process. Ian Wilmut does
claim that production of such human beings might be possible in about
another two years.
The `"Clone Ewe" has been christened as Dolly. It is seven months old
while its cell is claimed to be six and a half years old. This means the
cell was obtained 6 1/2 years ago and preserved in the laboratory to be
developed into a living body later. Cloning thus does not involve any
sexual intercourse at all! This newly developed process of Genetical
Engineering is a highly complicated and costly process involving
millions of dollars.
What would be the moral and social effects of such a development? Hot
discussions have started all around. That these experiments should not
be extended to humans is the view propounded and propagated by religious
bodies. In fact such experiments have been banned even in some of the
western countries. But for how long?
Basic Biological System
The production of the exact replica of a man from a single cell
indicates that innumerable persons can be brought out from the cells
present in his body. Cells, as is known, are the building units of all
living bodies. Each of these units function as an organised factory
since a dynamic matter namely protoplasm is present in it. In addition
chromosomes and DNA present in them constitute genetic material. One of
the characteristics of these genetic matter is the preservation of
parental and species characteristics. And these characteristics pass on
from parent to the progeny. It is for this reason that the offsprings
have close resemblance in colour, facial features and other physical
characteristics as well as their behaviour and actions. It can safely be
surmised that the complete personality lays hidden in the tiny cell. The
formation of the child starts from two cells one of which will be the
contribution of the father and the other belongs to the mother. When
these two unite the process of fertilisation starts through continuous
cell division within a matter of minutes and this process leads to the
formation of the embryo in about 120 days within in the womb of the
mother.
Copying Divine Creation
So now man has become successful in deciphering the process of creation.
Starting from a single cell without the help of any sexual process, he
has discovered the process of artificial creation. Although for him this
whole process has been a conscious effort, unknowingly he has produced
irrefutable proof of the resurrection of the life on the Doomsday. The
materialistic scientists have, thus, themselves certified the veracity
of the teachings of the great Prophets. Of course this they have done
unconsciously. So now it is established scientifically that even if a
single cell of a body survives after the death, the person can be
revived. Revival of life, thus, is not an impossibility.
Revelation through a Tradition
Arriving at the truth scientifically, let us go back to the study of a
few Traditions of the holy Prophet (Pbuh). This will shed light on the
revival of life from a fresh angle and certain new facts would be
revealed. According to certain Traditions, when the whole body is
perished — flesh and bones and all, on burying of the dead under
mud, everything is perished except the coccyx through which the
recreation takes place. (Sahih Bukhari, V.6, P.79 & Sahih Muslim, V.4,
P.2271) In another Tradition this vestigial bone is described to be as
big as a mustard seed. (Ibne Hajar Asqalani, Fathul Bari, V.8, P.552)
This indicates that it is a very tiny body. Being a devoted student of
biological processes I was bold enough to equate this body to a
‘cell’ and had discussed in detail in some of my earlier
books the resurrection of life utilizing this cell. The present
discoveries have established my conjecture as a fact. What this author
had conjectured nearly ten to fifteen years ago has turned out to be a
reality, i.e., the same person can be brought out alive from the single
surviving cell. From this count a great revolution is contemplated in
the field of philosophy and thought and that will be the Islamic
Revolution. It would be an extraordinary revolution which would bury all
old theories, corollaries and material philosophies for ever.
A New Life after Death
How does the single cell survive for ages together? New light has been
thrown on this aspect by modern researches. As is known, various
bacteria are single cell bodies that remain alive lying dormant
physically for thousands of years under unfavourable conditions and then
suddenly rise alive when favourable conditions become available. These
microscopic bodies have their existence spread all over in earth, water
and atmosphere. Similar single cell systems are also present in all
animals and plants. Every living body is a conglomeration of innumerable
tiny cells. Bacteria are single cell bodies. Insects comprise of
hundreds and thousands of cells. Bigger animals have millions of these
cells, while still larger animals like tiger, sheep and even man do
possess billions and billions of these cells. These facts lead to the
conclusion that the cell system is similar in the whole of biological
world and that there will be a continuous process of fragmentation and
synthesizing taking place all through. The worn out cells fade out,
while fresh ones would be formed. A human cell resembles bacteria in
form and constitutes a single unit of life.
According to modern researches certain bacteria would lie buried dead
under heavy mud for thousands of years and then get revived as soon as
favourable conditions become available. The bacteria are said to be
under “dormancy” during this period and are referred as
Spores. (Vide Encyclopedia Britannica, 1983, V. 10, P. 893)
The Dead in Dormant Condition
This condition is a great witness on the resurrection. Even if one cell,
which resembles a bacteria, gets preserved without undergoing decaying,
it is possible to reproduce the man who will be the exact copy of the
first. This means, ‘death’ is only an apparent condition. In
reality it is in a dormant condition which is akin to deep sleep.
Referring to the resurrection, the glorious Qur’an and the holy
Traditions relate that when the men are raised alive again, then
everyone would feel that he has waken from deep slumber:
The trumpet shall be sounded, when behold! From the sepulchers (men)
will rush forth to their Lord! They will say, Ah! Woe unto us! Who hath
raised us up from our beds of repose?(A voice will say) This is what
(God) Most Gracious had promised. And true was the word of the apostles!
It will be no more than a single Blast. When lo! they will all be
brought up before Us! (Quran, 36:51-53)
Divine and Human Creations
Cloning involving the production of a replica of an animal is not a
simple or ordinary affair. It is quite complex and complicated. For
example, to get the above clone of the sheep the experiment had to be
repeated about 300 times i.e., 300 embryos were destroyed to obtain one
clone. There is no such ‘waste’ in case of the creations
carried out by the Creator of the universe. His one single commandment
is enough to make the whole creation to rise up, as is seen in the above
verse.
The reference to coccyx in the holy Traditions quoted earlier is only
for the reflection of man. The creator is not bound by anything for
expression of His Powers. It is only He Who creates things from nothing,
For Him it is only enough to utter "Be" and that thing happens.
And whenever He willeth to create anything, He simply orderth it, `Be
and there, it is. So glory be to Him Whose hand holdeth sovereignty over
everything and to Him shall ye all have to return. (Quran, 36:82-83)
The successful creation of a whole animal from a single cell clearly
unravels the nature of resurrection. It has also come to be known that
man can repeat this process a number of times. Then will the Creator of
the heavens and the earth fail to revive His creations? The fact is that
this successful experiment of cloning by the scientists has certified
the veracity of the belief in the Resurrection Day!
This process of Creation through a single cell is a common observance
for man, since he comes across it in the form of embryo formation.
Similar would be the creation of man through the single cell on the
Resurrection Day.
And ye certainly know already the first form of creation. Will ye not
then reflect that you will be raised again like this. (Quran, 56:62)
Has Man Become God?
Apart from the religious faith, let us view this unique achievement of
man through another angle. Has man become God through producing this
clone? Is this human achievement a reflection on the divinity of God?
Some persons do feel that man has superseded God. Such thinking is
merely a fallacy. In reality these achievements strengthen man’s
faith in Almighty God, because although this production appears to be a
miracle, it is certainly not unnatural. The scientists have only studied
the principles of nature more closely and deeply and have merely
repeated the natural process. They have imitated the process of divine
creation. If man were to perform this feat starting from dead bodies or
mud, it would have certainly been a great miracle. He has now taken a
cell already created by God and produced the clone. When he is not the
creator of the cell, he cannot be the creator of this cloning also. He
can never reach the realms of creation. He can only be an imitator
Challenge from the Glorious Qur’an
The Glorious Qur`an challenges in very clear terms that even if all men
of the world or the false gods join together, they can never be able to
create even a fly:
O people! an idea to ponder on is set forth to you. Pay heed to it. Note
that they whom you invoke beside god, cannot create even a fly though
all of them join to do it. (Qur’an, 22:73)
This parable was then applicable to the false gods of the polytheists.
But now it is true of the scientists whom the common man elevates to the
status of gods. The present day belief is that scientists can achieve
anything!? If science does think or claim that it can occupy the berth
of creation, let it perform such a feat taking dead bodies. It can never
accomplish this task! Hence the creator of this whole universe is only
one and will remain so for ever!
Such is God, your Lord, the Creator of all things, There is no god but
He: Then how ye are deluded away from the Truth. (Quran, 40:62)
Bungling with Divine Creation is Satanic
This process cannot be taken as a creative act. It can well be referred
as a destructive act since it bungles with divine creations. This fact
was placed before the humanity by the All-knowing God right at the time
when Satan was cursed and abandoned from the heavens when the devil
declared:-
... I will command them to disfigure God`s creation. (Qur;an, 4:119)
The verse is followed by:
Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires (hopes).
But Satan’s promises are nothing but deception. (Quran, 4:120)
The word used here is Ghuroora which indicates that one is prone to
deceiving others and to raising false hopes. The present action by being
devilish in character is akin to deceiving humanity rising in them false
hopes. In this there is hidden threat for the entire humanity.
Moral and Cultural Impact of Cloning
What is the solution for social problems and complications that would
arise because of this process? To find the solution would be the
responsibility of the persons who might be bent to commit the crime of
reducing the best of the creations to the lowest of beastly level and to
transgressing all the levels of morality. They might turn men into
guinea pigs. All this would be for the simple reason that man has
forgotten his creator and master, has sought refuge in materialism and
looks for solace through indulgence in material pleasures. For him
nothing but matter exists. There is no room for the existence of any
supreme power in the universe before whom he is answerable. Hence he has
become his own master and overlooking the divine cues, he has closed his
eyes from the hard facts of life. He feels quite independent and never
allows anyone to restrict, reprimand or advice him.
However it is time that he can no more overlook God, Soul and Belief in
the Doomsday. There is no go but for believing in Islamic faith and
commandments. God willing, He will be presenting miraculous proofs of
His existence repeatedly.
Soon will We show them Our Signs in the (farthest) regions (of the
earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that
this is the Truth. (Quran, 41:53)
End of Material Philosophies
Cloning is going to bring a great revolution in the realm of philosophy
and thought which would prove the veracity of religion and religious
thought and end all materialistic and atheistic philosophies. This is so
because scientists themselves, through their successful experiments,
have hit hard on the material philosophies which propagate that religion
is a farce and declare that all knowledge that is not obtained through
senses has no standing at all because only such knowledge has a standing
which is based on the outcome of naturalism and experimentation,
Materialism, rationalism, scientism, logical positivism etc. are all
brain children of such thinking process. But now, after the successful
outcome of cloning, all these philosophies are proved out of date. The
veracity of religious declarations has been proved. It has been
established that knowledge is not merely the one that is arrived at
through sensory experimentation but also that which is got through
revelation and inspiration. Is it not strange that human knowledge
itself is testifying and proving the validity and truth of Divine
Knowledge; and Revelation through its experiments, researches and
activities. What would be more exciting and surprising than
contradicting its own declarations! Such a contradiction of words
through the actions does not stand the tests of rationality itself!
And He shows you (always) His Signs; then which of the Signs of God will
ye deny? (Quran, 40:81)
Stop and Ponder!
Do the above arguments not prove the existence of an All-powerful and
Supreme Being in the universe Whose knowledge is perennial and events
are happening in accordance with His planning? And that the Day of
Judgment would be an inevitable and irrefutable fact wherein the whole
humanity, after resurrection, would be gathered for final interrogation
and judgment.
The coming Event (Judgment) is drawing nigh: There is none beside God to
ward it off. Do ye wonder at such an announcement, and laugh and weep
not, and continue trifling (with the thought of it)? So in utmost
humility, bow down before God and pray to Him. (Quran, 53:57-62)
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> Amadou do not worry
> As far as I am concerned you are history
> There is no need to argue with one track minded person whose support =
for religion is non existent.. It is just a waste of time .
> You are been deleted and written off from my end
> Good luck and Wasalaam.
> Habib
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You are. You belong in a museum!
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Ndey,
As usual, I was very disappointed when I read your mail. There is absolutely
no sense in your postings. You have no issues of whatsoever to bring to any
political platform that is worth discussing. At this stage of the political
life of our beloved nation, we need people with outstanding ideas that can be
put into force for a meaningful socioeconomic and political changes. You do
not have to agree to what others have to say, but you must learn to listen.
What do you mean by Mr. Jammeh should meet The Gambian community in the US?
As I said in my previous posting, he met those he wanted to meet. So what's
the big deal? How do you expect Mr. Jammeh to meet someone like you? I will
be very disappointed to see or hear about that. Moreover, when I made mention
of Mr. Jawara not making such meetings, I went further to say that it never
stopped MOJA-G and others from their struggle. I do not really understand the
pressure on you in meeting Mr. Jammeh.
Ndey, there are so many writers out there who share their thoughts with
others. However, they know how to do it. Never try to impose your ideas (if
any) on people. And you do not have to be emotional if someone does not agree
with you. Instead, it's a question of selling and persuading. In addressing
the social, economic and political development of The Gambia, there may
always be a need to look at the past. There is an old English adage that
goes: our past determines our future. We had pre-colonial, colonial and
postcolonial eras in The Gambia. We also had the previous and present
regimes. There is a difference between reference and comparison.
God bless The Gambia!
S. S. Saidykhan.
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Thanks Ndey. I will count on you as a volunteer.
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Asalaamu alaikum 'Nna Kebba Malangding',
Alhamdulillah and thank you so much for your kind concern on behalf of =
the rest of the folks. Jazza kallah khairan, may Allah reward you. =
Indeed, we were jolted by another strong aftershock (6.8, Richter scale) =
on Sunday morning, but again our part of the island was not affected.=20
Ameen to your prayers and please keep the prayers coming.=20
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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Momodou Mbye,
As we follow the news from your part of the world on TV, our hearts =
and prayers are with you all.
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May Allah protect us all.
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Malanding S. Jaiteh
Landscape Ecology & Ecosystem Science
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in which people from all over the "aduna" would share ideas.
Let's put an end to personal attacks ladies and gentlemen.
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Hello Brothers Habib and Amadou,
Out of the 30 mails that i had about a dozen of them are from the two of
you brothers exchanging communications that really have no taste. I know one
will say then use your delete and do not have anything to do with them.
Fine, but you brothers see each others email addresses right there on top of
the mails and it would be more appropriate, i think, if you can direct your
future communications to each others addresses.
No hard feelings brothers Habib and Amadou.
God Bless and Peace Be Upon All
Alasana Bah
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>Habib Ghanim, Sr <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
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> > Amadou do not worry
> > As far as I am concerned you are history
> > There is no need to argue with one track minded person whose support
>for religion is non existent.. It is just a waste of time .
> > You are been deleted and written off from my end
> > Good luck and Wasalaam.
> > Habib
> >
>
>
>You are the funniest man on the List! Religion? Where does that come in? I
>am a devout Muslim. I am just more pragmatic than you are with your
>narrow-mindedness. I can see the whole while you focus just on religion.
>Why don't you move to Afghanistan and give us a break? I'm not history, You
>are. You belong in a museum!
>
>Kabir.
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As long as this topic is on it will right here. You are right. You have =
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Kabir.
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> Hello Brothers Habib and Amadou,
> Out of the 30 mails that i had about a dozen of them are from the =
two of
> you brothers exchanging communications that really have no taste. I =
know one
> will say then use your delete and do not have anything to do with =
them.
> Fine, but you brothers see each others email addresses right there on =
top of
> the mails and it would be more appropriate, i think, if you can direct =
your
> future communications to each others addresses.
> No hard feelings brothers Habib and Amadou.
> God Bless and Peace Be Upon All
> Alasana Bah
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> >Subject: Re: [Dictator Jammeh]
> >Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:35:00 +0200
> >
> >Habib Ghanim, Sr <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> >
> > > Amadou do not worry
> > > As far as I am concerned you are history
> > > There is no need to argue with one track minded person whose =
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> >for religion is non existent.. It is just a waste of time .
> > > You are been deleted and written off from my end
> > > Good luck and Wasalaam.
> > > Habib
> > >
> >
> >
> >You are the funniest man on the List! Religion? Where does that come =
in? I
> >am a devout Muslim. I am just more pragmatic than you are with your
> >narrow-mindedness. I can see the whole while you focus just on =
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> >Why don't you move to Afghanistan and give us a break? I'm not =
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> >are. You belong in a museum!
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> >Kabir.
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These are all cowards! If they have something to say about this topic or =
about me they should do it for all to see. I have also received private =
messages from people who are glad to have seen your lack of principles =
exposed.
Kabir.
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> I want to thank all the sisters and brothers that have sent me =
personal
> emails of support.
> .
> Here are some partial messages that I am sharing ( all received =
today):
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> 1.
> Alhamdulillah and thank you so much. I just read the
> replies of the young Gambians testifying to your noble efforts. The
> Prophet (saw) said whoever takes a hardship away from a Muslim Allah
> will
> take away a similar hardship from you in this world and the next.
>=20
> Another posting from a brother on the G-L
> 2.
> I saw your postings concerning the fund raising at the Masjid. May =
Allah
>=20
> reward you. Please do not get into any verbal exchange with saiks and
> Amadou, for they have shown clearly their distaste for Islamic da'wah
> trying to give a political twist to every move that people make.
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> addition to the above
> 3.
> Allah and the Muslims are witnesses of your noble actions in raising
> funds for needy
> Muslims. 'A'rid annil Jahileen', turn your back to the ignorant.
> 4.
> Habib , I have known you for several years and am really surprised =
Kabir
> chose to pick on you for such unwarranted insults. What a shame . If
> only he had known you and your history of support for Africa and the
> Gambians, he would not have gone to this extent. Please ignore him =
and
> do not let his actions spoil for others. Remember, As Father Little =
used
> to tell us in class" empty barrels make the most sound ". Goodnight.
> 5.
> Habib , do me a favor forget this chap . he is the one that is =
confused.
> You have our support and that is what counts.
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> 6. I wish I was in Maryland to attend the dinner. I am glad it turned
> out well. Your good intentions were misread by Kabir. That is not how
> justice is promoted. By attacking you without any legitimate grounds
> tells a lot about this author. Keep up the good work down there as =
Bass
> says.
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> 7. Koto , you tried to reason with amadou and even apologized but he
> still does not want to reciprocate . your decision to put this behind
> you is honorable . Next time you pass through Atlanta please give me a
> call. my number is ...............
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> I omitted the names of the senders intentionally- fyi
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I had not intended to do this but you have forced me to. Here are some =
of the messages I received, not from "friends" as in your case, but =
people who share my opinion!: By the way I recognise at least four of =
your "friends" just from their choice of words. It is just one of them =
that surprises me but I can't blame him for he is an emptier barrel than =
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It is very disappointing to realize that Gambia-L is increasingly
becoming a forum for personal attacks. This undermines Gambia-L's original
intent of sharing ideas with others from all over the "aduna." In attaining
the goal of information exchange it is inevitable that one may occasionally
disagree with another person's point of view (pov). However, the
disagreement should be expressed in a nice manner to avoid cyber fights.
Mutual respect for all and always remember that very positive pov is
crucial to our national development.
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Your point is well taken.
Regards.
Kabir.
Pa <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
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> disagreement should be expressed in a nice manner to avoid cyber =
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> crucial to our national development.
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Man,
You gotta be strong in this forum or else you'll always be disappointed by
what some have to say. This is why I've asked other websites not to
entertain political lecturers. All it does is to disrespect others. There
are some guys who just make themselves notice by posting junk mails. One
should be able to read what is worth reading or delete them.
Don't let guys bother you at all. You can use your precious time for
something else.
Take care buddy.
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Kabir,
This is politics. This is what you want and now you can't take it no more.
What's your problem? You see how it feels to be arrogant? What goes round
comes round. Be strong.
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GREETINGS TO ALL OF YOU BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
This message is addressed to those GAMBIAN DETRACTORS, who wander around
the STATUE OF LIBERTY, mouthing words about FREEDOM AND LIBERTY, when
right there in their temporary abode, they are playing a game of hide
and seek with local immigration officials.
They are those who thrive on illegal activities and when unmasked, would
behave as though the whole world owes them a living. They would slander
anyone and libel anyone without compunction. THE REPUBLIC OF THE GAMBIA
does not need such zombies. These are people who do not know the history
of THE GAMBIA nor its culture. In all her history, GAMBIA had never
indulged in "LEADERSHIP BASHING". GAMBIANS AS A PEOPLE have existed as
long as any other people under different types of political systems e.g.
slave-owning system, colonialism and now Republicanism.
It is quite obvious that in those days, democracy was unknown in THE
GAMBIA. Under the current system of government, there is in place a
Government of Consultation through the electoral process.
The type of Government GAMBIA has always been identified with before
the advent of colonialism was a government of "CONSULTATION".
YES , traditional Rulers of THE GAMBIA always used the consultative
mechanism in place at that time. They consulted their people through
established social groupings such as Kabilos, Kundas, Kafos etc.
We have had three hundred years of colonialism but only in the
last twenty years of those years did the the word "Election" ever crop
up.
Why, may I ask, the obsession with this democracy hoo-ha?
Should we be conditioned to measure democracy only in terms of the
"electoral process" ?-Surely not.
Democracy first and foremost means access to Education for all and
sundry, Health care, Employment, accessible roads, clean water etc. etc.
Democracy does not mean one simple act of casting a ballot-token to
elect a person as PRESIDENT. Simply put, Democracy For AFRICA
means providing bread for her people. Let me put one simple question to
the detractors of PRESIDENT JAMMEH.
Where was "democracy" when Africans were being sold as slaves?
Where was 'democracy' when Africa was being colonised?
Where was 'democracy' when segregation was institutionalised in
America?
When was democracy born?
It appears that democracy arrived too late for AFRICANS.
Let us not try to settle personal scores through fabrications and
slander against our Leadership. Let us not pull apart the fabric of our
society. Let there be differences of opinions but let us resolve
them amicably.
Those of you who are trying to peddle your intellectual prowesses,
please peddle them in situ amongst yourselves.
I have read somewhere in the internet someone claiming that PRESIDENT
JAMMEH has dismissed more civil servants in five years than PRESIDENT
JAWARA did in 30 years. I have heard or read this claim before and it
does not pay to remain silent when an untruth is uttered.
Such a claim is absolutely incorrect. In the thirty (30) years of
PRESIDENT JAWARA'S REIGN (Yes, he reigned) only two PERMANENT
SECRETARIES retired statutorily- meaning retired at the retirement age
of 55 years. Many were prematurely retired- the rest were literally
hunted out of the civil service.
Let me add that over ten(10) Customs Officers were dismissed in a
single
day in 1992 by PRESIDENT JAWARA'S GOVERNMENT.
Nowadays, when a civil servant is dismissed, he need not fear anything
or anyone as he has all rights to petition PRESIDENT JAMMEH.
A number of officials who were dismissed not long ago have since been
reinstated through an appeal to PRESIDENT JAMMEH.
Some people either have very poor memories or they do not know the
facts.
During the abortive coup of 1981 which nearly toppled PRESIDENT
JAWARA(in fact he was toppled but for SENEGAL he would have ceased to be
PRESIDENT as early as 1981)religious leaders,village headmen,civil
servants,farmers were rounded-up and herded into barracks and detained
for over 18 months. Many were given Kangaroo court trials.
Even schools were used as detention centres. A prominent opposition
Leader Sheriff Mustapha Dibba was falsely indicted and imprisoned for
years.
Where was "democracy" when all these things were happening?
Two mass graves in Banjul bear testimony to PRESIDENT JAWARA'S 1981
greed for power.
Some of you cannot be out there and claim to love THE GAMBIA more than
those who are in the thick of things right here. There are some of you
who do not genuinely know the facts. But there are those who are bent
upon
destroying THE GAMBIA from afar- but GOD WILLING, their plans will
founder.
Whilst the evil man plans, GOD also plans and GOD IS THE BEST
PLANNER.
I am a great admirer of the American people and I salute the
achievements of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. But America has had her
excesses and still does.There is no perfect state in this world.
Some of you should read more- perhaps you may wish to start with the
book on J.EDGAR HOOVER called "THE MAN AND THE SECRETS" by CURT GENTRY.
Perhaps after having read this book ,some of you will stop
bashing at PRESIDENT JAMMEH for a while.
My advice to all those detractors is to rally round AFRICA'S
clarion call for those responsible for the AFRICAN SLAVE TRADE to
cough-up and pay AFRICA FOR THE DAMAGE THEY HAD WROUGHT upon AFRICA AND
AFRICANS.
I say to all you brothers and sisters, please do not
succumb to the brain-washing tactics being employed by AFRICA'S FOES.
I do not care what YAHYA JAMMEH'S detractors might think
of him but I can say one thing about him- that PRESIDENT JAMMEH is a
VERY GOOD MAN.
He loves The Gambia, AFRICA AND AFRICANS. He Loves HUMANITY.
MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL .
GOOD-BYE
GORR YUMBUL.
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Hi,
This is my first time, but that's not important.I really felt the same way
my fellow Gambian Renner feels.I would not label anyone as "barking", but
can we be little bit positive and give our leader some chance.I am sure he
is doing something positive for our beloved country.
Bakary Dembo sanneh
Bellevue university Nebraska
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>Hi,
>
>Please make sure you meet him and tell us the outcome of the meeting. Do
>what you have to do and stop barking. If you have the right to go to the
>USA, why not Dr Jammeh, (YOUR PRESIDENT). You like it or not he is the
>president of our beloved Gambia. Long live the Gambia under the APRC with
>their multiple development projects. Rome was not build in a day, so
>please
>give us chance to build and develop the Gambia for the betterment of all
>mankind.
>
>Please no hard feelings.
>
>Regards,
>Rodine.
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>
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>>Gambia-l:
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>>Is the tough-talking Dr. Alhaji ...Yahya ... Jammeh planning on sneaking
>>in
>>and leaving the USA without meeting the Gambian community? What is he
>>afraid
>>of? His itinerary will be known to most interested parties (friend and
>>foe
>>alike) even before he steps on US soil. And those of us who want to get
>>our
>>messages through his ears will not disappoint him either.
>>
>>Amadou Scattred Janneh
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interesting stuff i would conclude; typical shallow adroitness of the
vanguard intelligentsia that for ages had abetted without our moronic leaders
in looting and bleeding Africa dry. what is the difference between those who
masquerade in the cloak of idiosyncratic and codswallop of some dizzy smart
arsed post pan africanism and the slave master and slave institutions that
existed earlier. what is the difference between the neo colonial institution
of the IMF and some African leader that has looted and bleed Africa dry? are
they not the same?
personally i think this guy has all the stench of a toady and a hypocrite. i
think Jammeh could have been a better leader had he not been derailed the
same intelligentsia that for ages had abetted with the neo colonial
institutions. the Jammeh of 1994 is not the Jammeh of 1999. i have nothing
absolutely against him as a human. but i expressly demure with this guy that
taking issues with our leaders tantamount to explicit betrayal of the African
cause. i view Jammeh with the pessimism of my intellect whilst the optimism
of my will tells me that better will come one day. is this unpatriotic? if it
is Allah help Africa. what right now is some post modern civic pan Africanism
devoid of the self destructive smug of fatalism and self defeatism; devoid of
extreme jingoism with the knowledge that Africa cannot go it alone; devoid of
the hard left crude determinist arguments that all our troubles stems from
the outside. I don't see this in Jammehism; expressly I demure. this makes me
not a betrayer or reactionary, but a patriot on different wavelength surely
patriotism comes in different forms. Can we have some post modern civic pan
africanism here please?
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> Kabir,
> This is politics. This is what you want and now you can't take it no =
more.
> What's your problem? You see how it feels to be arrogant? What goes =
round
> comes round. Be strong.
> EB.
>=20
EB,
What is it that I cannot take any more? Really I don't know what you are =
talking about. I don't know where the above stems from, or is it you =
inability to read and comprehend that led you to deduce conclusion from =
thin air.
I have never seen anything you've personally written to this list than =
can qualify as a good contribution to any debate. Just yesterday you =
pounced on Ndey without even understanding the nature of the subject =
being debated, so no wonder you should suddenly read out of thin air =
that Kabir is tired of politics.
Whether you like it or not politics governs all your live from the =
cradle to the grave. But then You wouldn't understand that. You can =
either choose to accept that whoever controls the affairs of state also =
determines to large extend what quality of live you have and work =
towards making them accountable or choose to remain ignorant as you are =
now.
Kabir.
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This is the most reactionary analysis I have ever read anywhere. During =
slavery and during colonialism Africans waged all forms of struggle to =
free themselves from bondage and the independence that we have today is =
for the most part owed to those heroic struggles waged by our ancestors =
and therefore our freedom must not be taken for granted.
When Kunta Kinteh resisted to be called by his slave name Toby, and had =
to undergo torture from his kidnappers, he only answered to that name in =
the end in order to stop the whips that had torn his body so that he =
could live on to fight another day.
When he made several attempts to escape from his kidnappers and had to =
undergo a series of tortures, again from the whip, it did not stop him =
trying again and again until kidnappers had to finally amputate his =
toes, but that did not stop him either!
The Amistad Mutiny of 1839 was a revolt for self-determination, justice =
and freedom. There were others like Nat Turner, who led mutinies =
against their kidnappers using all means necessary, to free themselves =
from slavery!
The independence of most African Nations did not come on a silver =
platter either. The independence of Zimbabwe, Angola, Guinea Bissau, =
Mozambique, South Africa, to name but a few, were won on the battle =
field of those countries where glorious sons and daughters of Africa =
spilled their blood so that those who follow could live under democratic =
rule!
Yes, where was democracy then? the author asked. I say worthy sons and =
daughters of Africa were fighting for it and worthy sons and daughters =
of Africa are still fighting for genuine democracy and shall not give up =
until final victory.
The Struggle Continues!
Kabir.
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From: Aba <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: GIVE PRESIDENT ALH. YAHYA JAMMEH A CHANCE
> GREETINGS TO ALL OF YOU BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
> This message is addressed to those GAMBIAN DETRACTORS, who wander =
around
> the STATUE OF LIBERTY, mouthing words about FREEDOM AND LIBERTY, when
> right there in their temporary abode, they are playing a game of hide
> and seek with local immigration officials.
> They are those who thrive on illegal activities and when unmasked, =
would
>=20
> behave as though the whole world owes them a living. They would =
slander
> anyone and libel anyone without compunction. THE REPUBLIC OF THE =
GAMBIA
> does not need such zombies. These are people who do not know the =
history
> of THE GAMBIA nor its culture. In all her history, GAMBIA had never
> indulged in "LEADERSHIP BASHING". GAMBIANS AS A PEOPLE have existed as
> long as any other people under different types of political systems =
e.g.
> slave-owning system, colonialism and now Republicanism.
> It is quite obvious that in those days, democracy was unknown in THE
> GAMBIA. Under the current system of government, there is in place a
> Government of Consultation through the electoral process.
> The type of Government GAMBIA has always been identified with before
> the advent of colonialism was a government of "CONSULTATION".
> YES , traditional Rulers of THE GAMBIA always used the consultative
> mechanism in place at that time. They consulted their people through
> established social groupings such as Kabilos, Kundas, Kafos etc.
> We have had three hundred years of colonialism but only in the
> last twenty years of those years did the the word "Election" ever crop
> up.
> Why, may I ask, the obsession with this democracy hoo-ha?
> Should we be conditioned to measure democracy only in terms of the
> "electoral process" ?-Surely not.
> Democracy first and foremost means access to Education for all and
> sundry, Health care, Employment, accessible roads, clean water etc. =
etc.
>=20
> Democracy does not mean one simple act of casting a ballot-token to
> elect a person as PRESIDENT. Simply put, Democracy For AFRICA
> means providing bread for her people. Let me put one simple question =
to
> the detractors of PRESIDENT JAMMEH.
> Where was "democracy" when Africans were being sold as slaves?
> Where was 'democracy' when Africa was being colonised?
> Where was 'democracy' when segregation was institutionalised in
> America?
> When was democracy born?
> It appears that democracy arrived too late for AFRICANS.
> Let us not try to settle personal scores through fabrications and
> slander against our Leadership. Let us not pull apart the fabric of =
our
> society. Let there be differences of opinions but let us resolve
> them amicably.
> Those of you who are trying to peddle your intellectual prowesses,
> please peddle them in situ amongst yourselves.
> I have read somewhere in the internet someone claiming that PRESIDENT
> JAMMEH has dismissed more civil servants in five years than PRESIDENT
> JAWARA did in 30 years. I have heard or read this claim before and it
> does not pay to remain silent when an untruth is uttered.
> Such a claim is absolutely incorrect. In the thirty (30) years of
> PRESIDENT JAWARA'S REIGN (Yes, he reigned) only two PERMANENT
> SECRETARIES retired statutorily- meaning retired at the retirement age
> of 55 years. Many were prematurely retired- the rest were literally
> hunted out of the civil service.
> Let me add that over ten(10) Customs Officers were dismissed in a
> single
> day in 1992 by PRESIDENT JAWARA'S GOVERNMENT.
> Nowadays, when a civil servant is dismissed, he need not fear anything
> or anyone as he has all rights to petition PRESIDENT JAMMEH.
> A number of officials who were dismissed not long ago have since been
> reinstated through an appeal to PRESIDENT JAMMEH.
> Some people either have very poor memories or they do not know the
> facts.
> During the abortive coup of 1981 which nearly toppled PRESIDENT
> JAWARA(in fact he was toppled but for SENEGAL he would have ceased to =
be
>=20
> PRESIDENT as early as 1981)religious leaders,village headmen,civil
> servants,farmers were rounded-up and herded into barracks and detained
> for over 18 months. Many were given Kangaroo court trials.
> Even schools were used as detention centres. A prominent opposition
> Leader Sheriff Mustapha Dibba was falsely indicted and imprisoned for
> years.
> Where was "democracy" when all these things were happening?
> Two mass graves in Banjul bear testimony to PRESIDENT JAWARA'S 1981
> greed for power.
> Some of you cannot be out there and claim to love THE GAMBIA more =
than
>=20
> those who are in the thick of things right here. There are some of you
> who do not genuinely know the facts. But there are those who are bent
> upon
> destroying THE GAMBIA from afar- but GOD WILLING, their plans will
> founder.
> Whilst the evil man plans, GOD also plans and GOD IS THE BEST
> PLANNER.
> I am a great admirer of the American people and I salute the
> achievements of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. But America has had her
> excesses and still does.There is no perfect state in this world.
> Some of you should read more- perhaps you may wish to start with =
the
>=20
> book on J.EDGAR HOOVER called "THE MAN AND THE SECRETS" by CURT =
GENTRY.
> Perhaps after having read this book ,some of you will stop
> bashing at PRESIDENT JAMMEH for a while.
> My advice to all those detractors is to rally round AFRICA'S
> clarion call for those responsible for the AFRICAN SLAVE TRADE to
> cough-up and pay AFRICA FOR THE DAMAGE THEY HAD WROUGHT upon AFRICA =
AND
> AFRICANS.
> I say to all you brothers and sisters, please do not
> succumb to the brain-washing tactics being employed by AFRICA'S FOES.
> I do not care what YAHYA JAMMEH'S detractors might =
think
>=20
> of him but I can say one thing about him- that PRESIDENT JAMMEH is a
> VERY GOOD MAN.
> He loves The Gambia, AFRICA AND AFRICANS. He Loves HUMANITY.
> MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL .
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> GOOD-BYE
> GORR YUMBUL.
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Subject: Floods Inundate 50 Villages in Northern Senegal
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north of Dakar, have been inundated by floods from the Senegal River =
which spilled over its banks, the local media reported Monday.
According to the reports, more than 50 villages have been cut off from =
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the over-flow of the banks of the river.
The flood water also submerged the only major road linking the north to =
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The reports said several displaced inhabitants of the flooded areas were =
taking shelter in makeshift structures in open spaces.
Interviewed by one private radio, the governor of the region, Mbagnick =
Ndiaye, said he was powerless, adding that not much can be done until =
the water receded.
Opposition politician, Landing Savane, who has toured the region, =
declared that the serious floods had resulted in "extremely extensive" =
destruction of houses and farmlands.
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Hi Gambia-l!
This is to inform you of Gambian musical superstar Mass
Lowe's newly completed homepage. Visit the site to learn more about Mass
Lowe, about the meaning of his albums, to get biographical information, for
contract enquiries, for his profile etc. Mass recently rocked Stockholm,
Sweden during the Gambian Cultural Week in Stockholm and the reverberations
are still being felt. So check the site out and don't forget to sign the
guestbook. Thanks.
The address is:
http://w1.853.telia.com/~u85309245
Nice surfing!
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Born on the 4th. of September 1969, in Banjul, the capital of The Gambia,
Mass Lowe grew up in the compound at Hardington Street where Ballet Afrique,
The Gambia's then premier performing cultural group trained. It was watching
the group train that sowed the first seeds of artistic interest in the young
Mass.
Mass attended French school in a country where the official language and
language of tuition is English. At the school, he played a local
one-stringed instrument called the "tukusi ngalam". He was so popular that
the school started charging 10 bututs per head to watch him. He was given
lunch money out of the proceeds whilst the rest of the money was put in the
school's social fund. He won the school's Best Entertainer award every year
during his time at the school.
At his tender age, he started following Gambian bands such as Gelewarr and
Ifangbondi (formerly Super Eagles Band) and Senegalese bands such as Youssou
Ndour's Super Etoile and No. 1 around. This got him into a lot of trouble
and he got beaten and locked out on numerous occasions because he came from
a religious family where playing music was taboo.
After passing the high school entry examinations, Mass continued his
education in Kaolack, Senegal. Because the music industry was much more
developed in Senegal, he eventually found his way to Dakar, Senegal's
capital. He soon quit school and started following Youssou Ndour's Super
Etoile around full time on their tours throughout Senegal.
Mass came back home to The Gambia in 1987 where he joined the Saint
Augustine's High School Band as lead singer even though he was not a student
at the school. The band released a track called "My Sister" the same year
which became an immediate hit. The band was immediately contracted to
perform on a weekly basis at Oasis Night Club, one of Banjul's then most
popular night clubs. It was whilst at Oasis that Mass made a name for
himself.
Mass left the Saint Augustine's High School Band together with brothers Pa
and Lie Jobe and Kebba Taylor, all sons of Gambian pioneer Super Eagles Band
musicians and formed a group called Kadugi which meant "The Word" in Wollof.
In 1989, Mass together with the three musicians joined another band called
Xam Xam Band, one of the country's premier "Mbalax" (the popular musical
style played in Senegal and Gambia) groups. Xam Xam in Wollof means
knowledge.
Mass went back to Dakar in 1991 to develop his musical knowledge and career.
He returned to The Gambia in 1993, got four musicians from Xam Xam Band and
formed his own band called Mass Lowe and the Xam Xam Band. He released the
album "Nice Boy" in 1995 which was produced by Kerewan Sounds' Ousman
Ceesay. "Nice Boy" made Mass Lowe and the Xam Xam Band a household name in
The Gambia. Mass released the album "Kosso Kosso" in 1997 which became even
bigger than "Nice Boy".
A big Ghanaian producer and promoter, Fusaina Diagba, who took among others
Manu Dibango and Angelique Kidjo to Ghana, happened to be in The Gambia and
attended one of Mass' concerts and was so impressed that he invited him to
Ghana's biggest music festival, the Emancipation Day Celebrations in 1998.
Mass performed at the National Theatre together with Osibisa, Rita Marley
and other big artists. He was noticed at this festival by Ivorian superstar
Alpha Blondy's promoter who was so impressed that he invited him to a
festival organised in the Ivory Coast by Alpha Blondy's Blondy Productions
where he impressively performed.
Mass was contracted in May 1999 by the cigarette company Benson & Hedges to
do a country-wide promotional tour. The tour was very impressive and the
West Africa representative for the company flew from England to witness the
tour's climax at Arch 22 in Banjul. The tour's success was reflected in the
upsurge in the popularity of Benson & Hedges cigarettes in The Gambia.
In June 1999, FTI Touristik, one of Germany's biggest tour operators
specialising in African tours, contracted Mass to perform at Arch 22 in
Banjul to promote their newly established Gambia branch. Among the
dignitaries who graced the occasion was the Mayor of Banjul. The show was
attended by over 5, 000 people, no small feat in such a tiny country.
Mass was contracted in August 1999 to perform for the Organisation of
Gambians in Sweden at their annual Gambian Cultural Week in Stockholm where
he drew a crowd never witnessed since the Cultural Week's inception.
Mass has currently completed three albums the first of which he plans to
release soon.
For more information about Mass Lowe, visit his homepage at:
http://w1.853.telia.com/~u85309245
Nice Surfing!
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Seedy,
I really fine your response very petty and reactionary therefore i need to
close that chapter.
Since you do not have anything of substance to say or clarify apart from
personalised and petty attacks, i consider this exchange close. As a matter
of principle i do not respond to personalised and petty attacks cause i find
it unprofessional, childish, irrelivant, unproductive and not worth my time.
So, until then I am moving forward
THe struggle Continues!!!
Ndey Jobarteh
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From: Seedy SaidyKhan <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: 27 September 1999 04:02
Subject: Re: Actions speak louder than words:
>Ndey,
>
>As usual, I was very disappointed when I read your mail. There is
absolutely
>no sense in your postings. You have no issues of whatsoever to bring to any
>political platform that is worth discussing. At this stage of the political
>life of our beloved nation, we need people with outstanding ideas that can
be
>put into force for a meaningful socioeconomic and political changes. You do
>not have to agree to what others have to say, but you must learn to listen.
>
>What do you mean by Mr. Jammeh should meet The Gambian community in the US?
>As I said in my previous posting, he met those he wanted to meet. So what's
>the big deal? How do you expect Mr. Jammeh to meet someone like you? I will
>be very disappointed to see or hear about that. Moreover, when I made
mention
>of Mr. Jawara not making such meetings, I went further to say that it never
>stopped MOJA-G and others from their struggle. I do not really understand
the
>pressure on you in meeting Mr. Jammeh.
>
>Ndey, there are so many writers out there who share their thoughts with
>others. However, they know how to do it. Never try to impose your ideas (if
>any) on people. And you do not have to be emotional if someone does not
agree
>with you. Instead, it's a question of selling and persuading. In addressing
>the social, economic and political development of The Gambia, there may
>always be a need to look at the past. There is an old English adage that
>goes: our past determines our future. We had pre-colonial, colonial and
>postcolonial eras in The Gambia. We also had the previous and present
>regimes. There is a difference between reference and comparison.
>
>God bless The Gambia!
>
>S. S. Saidykhan.
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Date: 27 September 1999 20:53
Subject: Africa: Trade Issues
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>>+++++++++++++++++++++Document Profile+++++++++++++++++++++
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>>Region: Continent-Wide
>>Issue Areas: +economy/development+
>>Summary Contents:
>>This posting contains excerpts from a press release and the
>>concluding statement from the Africa Trade Network conference
>>in Accra in early September, with statements opposing new
>>issues and calling for review of existing agreements in the
>>World Trade Organization ministerial conference scheduled for
>>the end of November 1999 in Seattle.
>>
>>+++++++++++++++++end profile++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>Marking the international civil society day of action
>>against the new issues in the WTO in Ghana
>>
>>Excerpt from Press Release
>>
>>For more information about this and the statement below
>>contact:
>>Third World Network- Africa
>>P O Box AN 19452
>>Accra-North, Ghana
>>Tel: 233 21 302107/310634/306069/301064
>>fax: 233 21 311687/231688/773857
>>email: [log in to unmask]
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>>A lively and engaging press conference with about 30
>>representatives of news organisations in Ghana concluded the
>>activities undertaken by four Ghanaian civil society
>>organisations in Ghana to mark the international day of action
>>against the millennium round in the WTO. The press conference,
>>which was later broadcast on the nightly news bulletins of the
>>two main television stations of the country, as well as the
>>wire of the Ghana News Agency, was preceded earlier in the day
>>by discussions and exchanges with trade officials and with
>>Ghana's Minister of Trade and Industry.
>>
>>These activities were jointly organised by the Third World
>>Network, Africa; the General Agricultural Workers Union of
>>Ghana; the Ghana Chapter of the Association of African Women
>>in Research and Development; and Friends of the Earth-Ghana.
>>All the organisations are members of the Africa Trade Network.
>>
>>The hour and half-long meeting with the Minister was a
>>thoughtful and rigorous exchange of ideas and information over
>>a wide range of issues and concerns at stake for African and
>>other developing countries at the forthcoming 3rd Ministerial
>>Conference of the WTO. The civil society organisations briefed
>>the minister on the conclusions of the meeting of the Africa
>>Trade Network held in Accra from 31 August - 3rd September.
>>
>>The Minister welcomed the civil society initiative for the
>>discussions, and agreed with the importance of the issues
>>raised and the positions put forward by the civil society
>>organisations. He also affirmed Ghana's active commitment to
>>the positions taken of the key issues of investment by the
>>African group of countries at the WTO, as well as the group of
>>77 countries. He underlined the need to address the problems
>>of lack of capacity of African countries to participate
>>meaningfully in the negotiations.
>>
>>In this context, both sides agreed on the usefulness of
>>continuing these exchanges between the government and civil
>>society organisations. Copies of number of statements, papers
>>and publications were given to the Minister and to the trade
>>officials.
>>
>>The press conference followed on straight afterwards. In the
>>joint press statement read on their behalf by Yao Graham
>>(Third World Network, Africa), the four organisations who
>>hosted the conference informed the journalists that the
>>international day of action against the World Trade
>>Organisation was important for two reasons.
>>
>>First, the WTO has become the most powerful international
>>institution, whose rules and decisions determine the economic
>>activities of enterprises, workers, farmers, women, and
>>ordinary people in each of the 134 member countries, and
>>beyond. And yet many ordinary people do not know about these
>>decisions, let alone have a chance to influence them.
>>
>>Secondly, the day of action was even more urgent in view of
>>the possible dangers posed to African and indeed developing
>>country economies by the forthcoming Ministerial Conference of
>>the WTO. The Ministerial Conference is the highest
>>decision-making body of the World Trade Organisation. For the
>>coming meeting, the advanced industrial countries, notably the
>>USA, the European Union, Canada, and Japan are seeking to
>>grant comprehensive new powers to the WTO over issues which
>>should normally not fall within the ambit of the WTO.
>>
>>The most critical of these new powers relate to national
>>policies on investment, government procurement, and
>>competition. In each of these areas, the advanced industrial
>>countries areadvancing proposals whose effect will be to prise
>>open developing country markets for the big companies from the
>>West at the expense of local and national enterprise from the
>>developing countries, and of the needs of the people --
>>workers, farmers, women -- and of the environment.
>>
>>The statement noted that developing countries, with African
>>countries in the lead in some cases, have opposed this attempt
>>not only because these new powers will prevent developing
>>countries from taking measures which will encourage the growth
>>of development of their own enterprises and local economy.
>>
>>Developing countries have also opposed the attempt to
>>introduce these new items on to the WTO agenda because it will
>>be at the expense of developing countries who are asking for
>>the WTO to focus first on improving the existing WTO rules and
>>secondly to ensure that the developed countries fulfil their
>>obligations to the developing countries as was agreed in
>>earlier ministerial conferences.
>>
>>As an instance of the demand by African countries for the WTO
>>to review its existing rules which are harming or stand to
>>harm their economies, the statement cited the proposal put
>>forward by Kenya has on behalf of the African group at the
>>WTO, calling for a review of the agreement on intellectual
>>property to stop the patenting of life, as well as the
>>appropriation of the common knowledge systems of African
>>countries by big pharmaceutical companies from the North.
>>
>>[the statement below was read]
>>
>>The statement was followed by over an hour of animated
>>discussion. Most of the journalists who spoke were outraged
>>with the proposals for new issues and were concerned that the
>>government is able to defend the country's interests. They
>>also wanted to know what the government was doing and how. The
>>members of the ATN who hosted the conference reported on their
>>meeting with the Minister of Trade and with the officials
>>earlier in the day.
>>
>>The discussion recognized out that where the government
>>officials and trade representatives were aware of the dangers
>>posed by the new proposed WTO round and desired to take
>>appropriate action, they still faced immense pressure from the
>>Northern countries who were prepared to use many means
>>including development assistance as blackmail to prevent the
>>developing countries, and especially African, governments from
>>advancing their own interests.
>>
>>It was important in this regard that the citizens of the
>>country are aware of the issues and active in demanding that
>>their government promote their interests in the negotiations.
>>The meeting agreed that the journalists had a big role to play
>>in this regard. They also agreed for more such organized
>>interactions between civil society organizations and the media
>>to ensure that the interest of African and other developing
>>countries are protected in the Seattle Ministerial Conference
>>and beyond.
>>
>>***********************************************************
>>
>>AFRICAN CIVIL SOCIETY SAYS NO NEW ROUND;
>>TURN AROUND EXISTING AGREEMENTS!
>>
>>Statement of African civil society on
>>the Third Ministerial Conference of WTO
>>(World Trade Organization)
>>
>>[Adopted at meeting of African Trade Network, held in Accra,
>>Ghana, September 1999. The African Trade Network was formed
>>in February 1998. The meeting was hosted by the Accra-based
>>Third World Network-Africa secretariat.]
>>
>>We, the undersigned members of African civil society
>>representing trade unions, social movements, womens groups and
>>other civil society groups, are opposed to any attempt to
>>expand the powers of the WTO [World Trade Organization]
>>through a new comprehensive round of trade liberalisation.
>>Instead, governments should review and rectify the
>>deficiencies of the system and the WTO regime itself, as part
>>of the ongoing processes within the WTO. We therefore, call
>>for a moratorium on new issues or further negotiations that
>>expand the scope and power of the WTO. In this, we join the
>>worldwide campaign of international civil society against the
>>proposed Millennium Round, which could be launched at the
>>Third Ministerial Conference in November 1999, in Seattle,
>>USA.
>>
>>The Uruguay Round Agreements and the establishment of the WTO
>>were proclaimed as means of enhancing the creation of global
>>wealth and prosperity and promoting the well-being of all
>>people in all member states. In reality however, in the past
>>five years the WTO regime has contributed to the concentration
>>of wealth in the hands of the rich few; increasing poverty and
>>indebtedness for the majority of the world's population; and
>>unsustainable patterns of production and consumption. The
>>Uruguay Round Agreements have functioned principally to prise
>>open markets for the benefit of transnational corporations at
>>the expense of national economies; workers, farmers, women and
>>other groups in the developing world; and the environment. In
>>addition, the WTO system, rules and procedures are
>>undemocratic, untransparent and non-accountable and have
>>operated to marginalise the majority of the world's people.
>>
>>All this has taken place in the context of increasing global
>>economic instability, the collapse of national economies,
>>increasing inequity both between and within nations and
>>increasing environmental and social degradation, as a result
>>of the acceleration of the process of globalisation. Those
>>governments that dominate the WTO, and that together with the
>>transnational corporations have benefited from the WTO system,
>>have refused to recognise and address these problems. Instead,
>>they are pushing for further liberalisation through the
>>introduction of new issues for adoption in the WTO. This will
>>lead to the exacerbation of the crisis associated with the
>>process of globalisation and the WTO.
>>
>>NO TO NEW ISSUES
>>
>>We oppose the introduction of the proposed new issues in the
>>WTO, such as investment, competition policy and government
>>procurement. The present Working Groups to study these issues
>>should continue their work, or be closed down. They must not
>>be 'upgraded' into negotiating groups for new agreements. We
>>are also opposed to a new round of industrial tariff
>>reductions.
>>
>>We commit ourselves to campaign to reject any such proposals.
>>We believe that proposals by EU, Japan and others to
>>negotiate an Investment Agreement are attempts to transfer the
>>utterly discredited MAI from the OECD to the WTO. This should
>>be firmly resisted and rejected. We also believe that
>>government procurement decisions (especially giving preference
>>to local firms) are sovereign rights of our African countries
>>and should not be brought into the WTO. Further, competition
>>policy and law should be domestic issues and not be subjected
>>to WTO disciplines.
>>
>>On proposals to pressure countries to further cut industrial
>>tariffs, we wish to state that African countries have already
>>drastically reduced their tariffs (especially under structural
>>adjustment programmes) and this has led to closure of local
>>enterprises and de-industralisation. The WTO should not be
>>used to lock in and further reduce industrial tariffs in
>>Africa and the South. We thus reject another round of
>>industrial tariff cuts. Instead the North should cut its
>>tariff peaks in products exported by the South.
>>
>>TURNAROUND EXISTING AGREEMENTS
>>
>>We call for a moratorium on new issues and further
>>negotiations that expand the scope and power of the WTO.
>>During the moratorium, there should be a comprehensive and
>>in-depth review and assessment of the impacts of existing
>>agreements. Effective steps must be taken to change the
>>inherent imbalances and inequities of the WTO system and in
>>the existing agreements. We call for particular action in the
>>following areas:
>>
>>1. SPECIAL AND DIFFERENTIAL RIGHTS
>>
>>Special and differential rights are principles, which are
>>firmly established within GATT, in order to correct the
>>imbalances of the system, which work against developing
>>countries. There have been increasing pressures since the
>>Uruguay Round to limit the scope and significance of these
>>rights. These rights must be reasserted as existing rights,
>>which are necessary for the fair and equitable operation of
>>the multilateral trading system. They are not 'favours'
>>granted to the developing countries. Developing countries must
>>see these rights as necessary to develop their capacities and
>>to promote the interests of their people within the
>>multilateral trading system. Therefore, we call on developing
>>countries, particularly the African countries, to defend,
>>exercise and expand the scope of these rights, in accordance
>>with their own development needs and aims.
>>
>>2. AGREEMENT ON TRADE RELATED ASPECTS OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY
>>RIGHTS (TRIPS)
>>
>>Article 27.3(b) of the TRIPS Agreement should be reformulated
>>to exclude the patenting of life forms; as follows: 'Members
>>must exclude from patentability all living organisms including
>>plants, animals, microorganisms and parts thereof, and any
>>processes making use thereof, and relating thereto'.
>>
>>In this regard, we support the position as expressed in the
>>African Group paper to the WTO General Council, submitted by
>>Kenya on behalf of the Group. We express full support for the
>>Joint NGO Statement of Support for the Africa Group Proposals
>>on Review of the TRIPS Agreement (Article 27.3(b)). We
>>therefore, call on African political leaders and diplomats in
>>each country to stand firm in their position and to further
>>develop this position with concrete proposals to prohibit the
>>patenting of life forms, and to ensure the protection of
>>traditional knowledge and the rights of local communities over
>>biological resources
>>
>>3. AGREEMENT ON AGRICULTURE
>>
>>In African countries, as in most other developing countries,
>>small women farmers form a major part of the population. Their
>>livelihoods and products (especially food) are the main basis
>>of Third World economies. These are threatened by agriculture
>>liberalisation under the Agriculture Agreement. In developing
>>countries, food production for domestic consumption and the
>>measures and policies for the protection of small farmers
>>should be exempted from the Agriculture Agreement's
>>disciplines on import liberalisation, domestic support and
>>subsidies.
>>
>>4. AGREEMENT ON TRADE RELATED INVESTMENT MEASURES (TRIMS)
>>
>>In the review of the TRIMS Agreement, we call for an amendment
>>to allow developing countries the right to have 'local
>>content' policy (i.e., to require firms or projects to use a
>>certain minimum amount of local materials) so as to help
>>development of domestic economic activity and conserve scarce
>>foreign exchange. In addition, developing countries must be
>>allowed to take measures for balancing the flow of foreign
>>exchange. Moreover, no new investment measures should be added
>>to the list in the TRIMS Agreement. Nor should there be
>>expansion of the scope of the TRIMS Agreement to cover
>>investment and competition policy.
>>
>>5. REFORMS OF THE WTO SYSTEM
>>
>>For most developing-country members of WTO and for the public
>>and legislatures in all member countries there is lack of
>>transparency and democracy in the WTO system and processes --
>>its rule making, negotiations, monitoring and
>>dispute-settlement. We urge that the Seattle Ministerial
>>Conference take decisions to make the WTO system more open,
>>transparent, democratic and participatory to developing
>>countries, legislatures and civil society. These include but
>>are not limited, to the following:
>>
>>* Consultations, discussion, negotiations and decision-making
>>in WTO have to be truly transparent, open, participatory and
>>democratic.
>>
>>* Any proposals on rules or for new agreements should be made
>>known in their draft form to the public at least 6 months
>>before decisions are taken so that civil society in each
>>country can study them and influence their legislatures and
>>governments.
>>
>>* All WTO members must be allowed to be present and
>>participate in discussions and negotiations (including in
>>informal groups and meetings where many key decisions are
>>made). The practice of small informal groups making decisions
>>for all Members should be discontinued.
>>
>>* Legislatures should be constantly informed of proposals and
>>developments at WTO and have the right to make policy choices
>>regarding proposals in WTO.
>>
>>* Civil society should be given genuine opportunities to know
>>about and to express their views, and participate and
>>influence the outcome of policies.
>>
>>We call on our governments in Africa and other Third World
>>countries to reject the new issues being proposed so that our
>>national sovereignty and development options can be protected,
>>and to demand for a review and reform of the WTO rules and
>>system. We pledge to work with NGOs in other Third World
>>countries in our common struggle on these issues.
>>
>>We also appeal to our civil society colleagues in the
>>developed countries, on the basis of our common humanity and
>>in the interest of our common planetary home, to join with us
>>in solidarity and campaign against the proposal for new
>>issues, and for the review and reform of the WTO system and
>>agreements.
>>
>>Signatories include:
>>
>>TANGO, Gambia; International South Group Network (ISGN),
>>Zimbabwe; ENDA Tiers Monde, Senegal; Alternative Information
>>and Development Centre (AIDC), S. Africa; Motheho Integrity
>>Consultants, South Africa; Development Innovations & Networks
>>(IRED), Zimbabwe; Inter Press Service, Africa; MWENGO,
>>Zimbabwe; Environmental Rights Action, Nigeria; CCA-ONG,
>>Mali; African Development Education Network (ADEN), Senegal;
>>Organisation of Africa Trade Union Unity (OATUU); Friends of
>>the Earth, Ghana; Association of Africa Women for Research
>>and Development (AAWORD), Ghana; Third World Network (TWN);
>>Integrated Social Development Centre, (ISODEC) Ghana;
>>ActionAid, Gambia; Oxfam; General Agricultural Workers Union
>>(GAWU), Ghana; Africa Trade Network
>>
>>Those who would like to sign on to it should write to "Africa
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>>Distributed by: Motheho Integrity Trade Consultants P.O.Box
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Hi,
Just going through some of the posting after been away for sometime
time.However you see how difficult it is to debate with people who lacks =
total
principles when it comes to political issues,you will find you self debat=
ing
and trying to explain simple things that will never get through,however t=
his
shows that there is lot to be done in that little country,but the strugg=
le
must continue.
For Freedom
Saiks
through.> Kabir,
> This is politics. This is what you want and now you can't take it no m=
ore.
> What's your problem? You see how it feels to be arrogant? What goes r=
ound
> comes round. Be strong.
> EB.
> =
EB,
What is it that I cannot take any more? Really I don't know what you are
talking about. I don't know where the above stems from, or is it you inab=
ility
to read and comprehend that led you to deduce conclusion from thin air.
I have never seen anything you've personally written to this list than ca=
n
qualify as a good contribution to any debate. Just yesterday you pounced =
on
Ndey without even understanding the nature of the subject being debated, =
so no
wonder you should suddenly read out of thin air that Kabir is tired of
politics.
Whether you like it or not politics governs all your live from the cradle=
to
the grave. But then You wouldn't understand that. You can either choose t=
o
accept that whoever controls the affairs of state also determines to lar=
ge
extend what quality of live you have and work towards making them account=
able
or choose to remain ignorant as you are now.
Kabir.
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This is from the Daily Observer 9/28/99 edition.=20
Its certainly something Pan-Africanists can learn from!
=20
Malanding S. Jaiteh
Senegalese opposition party hold rallies in Gambia
=20
=20
The Alliance of Progressive Forces (AFP) of Moustapha Niasse, =
recently concluded a series of political rallies around the country.The =
rallies were held in Abuko, Brikama, and Talinding. The rallies =
attracted hundreds of AFP supporters.=20
A founder of the party, Serigne Sheik Mamum Niasse addressed the =
rallies and urged Senegalese voters in The Gambia to vote for Moustapha =
Niasse in the 2000 presidential elections. He accused the governing =
socialist party of incompetence and negligence, which has resulted in =
the nation's economic decline.=20
He called on President Abdou Diouf to give up power to a competent =
leader who will run the country better. He also called for transparency =
and honesty in the running of the country's affairs.Speaking on the =
Casamance issue, Sheik Mamum Niasse expressed dismay at the way in which =
the Senegalese authorities are handling the crisis and lamented the =
loss of innocent lives. He expressed his sympathy for those displaced by =
the war. Mr Niasse said the Casamance conflict can only be solved by =
diplomatic means and said Moustapha Niasse will be in a better position =
to resolve the conflict as he is a professional diplomat.=20
He thanked President Jammeh for his diplomatic initiative to end =
the crisis in Casamance and commended the Senegalese ambassador, General =
Diop for his "honesty and steadfastness."Other speakers at the rallies =
include Sheik Salieu Mbacke and Mr Abdou Aziz Dieng. Mr Assane Niasse =
presented the party's manifesto and constitution atthe rallies..
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only be=20
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better=20
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General Diop=20
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Kabir,
Unfortunately, you are confusing yourself and wrong, saying I responded to
Ndey. I've never ever responded to Ndey's postings. Get it right okay. I
don't share the same sentiment as you do. I don't talk politics but would
put a point across if necessary. If you've a problem understanding my point,
then so be it.
Take care.
EB.
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I apologize to all on the list if my recent exchange with a member of
the G-L was not appropriate and hope you will forgive me . I learn
more each day about people and how complicated it is to deal with
certain elements in our society.
I will close this case with a pleasant message from a progressive
Gambian studding abroad;
wasalaam
Habib Diab Ghanim
It reads;
Dear Brother Habib,
Well, what can anybody say nothing but a big thank you
for your good deeds.
I think if Gambians abroad think and act like you, our
country will continue
to see peace and stability, and above all, development.
Your fund raising
efforts for the victims of the recent floods is well
noted in the Gambia.
I wish I could visit your center one day. Keep the good
work going.
With regards,
OMITED BY ME-hdg
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How can you "talk" politics when you don't even know the meaning of the =
word?
Kabir.
> Kabir,
> Unfortunately, you are confusing yourself and wrong, saying I =
responded to
> Ndey. I've never ever responded to Ndey's postings. Get it right =
okay. I
> don't share the same sentiment as you do. I don't talk politics but =
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> Take care.
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saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
"Hi,
Just going through some of the posting after been away for sometime
time.However you see how difficult it is to debate with people who lacks =
total
principles when it comes to political issues,you will find you self =
debating
and trying to explain simple things that will never get through,however =
this
shows that there is lot to be done in that little country,but the =
struggle
must continue.
"For Freedom"
Yes, for some you just have to take them through the ABC because their =
ignorance is so apparent, it is amazing. We have a very long way to go =
before total awakening is achieved.=20
But we must never cease hammering home the obvious. What other choice do =
we have? Resign our fate to cirscunstances and have our destiny =
determined by others? For how long?=20
The Struggle Continues to dispel ignorance. Because our fates are tied =
together we cannot afford to much political dead weight and therefore =
must enliven the politically dead.
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Hello Buharry,
I saw from your beautiful biography of Mass Lowe that your address at =
Telia is where you sent from.
I just want to inform you that Fat' Touray fell ill and was admitted =
again two days ago. I just got off the phone to her and she sounded very =
weak and wanted me to forward the phone of her room to you. It is: (47) =
67 92 77 76.
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Hi Kabir,
This came to me Mistakenly.
Ndey
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Subject: Hello!
Hello Buharry,
I saw from your beautiful biography of Mass Lowe that your address at Telia
is where you sent from.
I just want to inform you that Fat' Touray fell ill and was admitted again
two days ago. I just got off the phone to her and she sounded very weak and
wanted me to forward the phone of her room to you. It is: (47) 67 92 77 76.
Regards.
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Sorry to All,
This is a private mail and I thought I had changed this address to =
Buharry's. In fact it is very unfortunate. My mess!.
Kabir.
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Subject: Hello!
Hello Buharry,
I saw from your beautiful biography of Mass Lowe that your address at =
Telia is where you sent from.
I just want to inform you that Fat' Touray fell ill and was admitted =
again two days ago. I just got off the phone to her and she sounded very =
weak and wanted me to forward the phone of her room to you. It is: (47) =
67 92 77 76.
Regards.
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Kabir,
Well no need to apologize. An illness to one of ours is no longer private.
We all wish Fat Touray the best. Take care!!!
Regards,
Baboucarr Sillah
PS: To everyone who has my email as <[log in to unmask]>, please reset your
address books to this hotmail <[log in to unmask]> address as it will no
longer be valid after the the 12th. October.
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>Sorry to All,
>
>This is a private mail and I thought I had changed this address to
>Buharry's. In fact it is very unfortunate. My mess!.
>
>Kabir.
>
>
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>
>
>Hello Buharry,
>
>I saw from your beautiful biography of Mass Lowe that your address at Telia
>is where you sent from.
>
>I just want to inform you that Fat' Touray fell ill and was admitted again
>two days ago. I just got off the phone to her and she sounded very weak and
>wanted me to forward the phone of her room to you. It is: (47) 67 92 77 76.
>
>Regards.
>
>Kabir.
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Well Mr. Sillah,
Thanks. Since this one has already 'leaked' here, I might as well tell =
you that she is in fact someone you are supposed to know, for she is a =
niece to Njogu Touray but grew up in Serrekunda and that's probably the =
reason why you don't remember her. She's Dodou Turay's daughter. Please =
include her in your prayers so that Allah grants her speedy recovery.
Regards.
Kabir.
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> Kabir,
> Well no need to apologize. An illness to one of ours is no longer =
private.
> We all wish Fat Touray the best. Take care!!!
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I may be a little late to read this mail and reply, but I am so proud of Imam
Leigh. He is known not to take a lot unintelligent ideas. It is just
politics, but I am sure he has been in politics more than fatty. It is nice
to know that some Islamic scholars would not just sit sround and see such
unintelligent, uneducated religious scholars satisfying thier selfish
political egos at the expense of our development.
Congrats to Imam Leigh and I hope that this will give courage to more
religious schoilars to speak out.
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Saiks,
One has to know someone like Banding Drammeh more. I would want anyone on
this List to tell us if he is just an Arabic scholar or Islamic. To my
knowlege he is an Arabic scholar and his Islamic knowledge is questionable.
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Well said brother... we have a lot of hypocrites amongst us; unfortunately
they are also the people who claim to be following the teachings of Islam,
Chritianity etc. I guess some us just are not pricipled enough to take a
stand... As Ndey puts it, the struggle continues
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>Habib wrote:
>
>"Brother Kabir
>"you are entitled to your opinion .
>I just want to let you know that when someone comes to the center to ask
>for help they do not have the type of conscience you are talking about .
>They just want to survive. Many of
>your distant relatives have needed our services and we are glad to help
>them.
>Thank you for all your support .
>
>"I hope you will one day be in a position to help out in a more positive
>way
>Wasalaam"
>
>Brother Habib,
>
>When you say "Many of your distant relatives have needed our services and
>we are glad to help them", you should go on and give examples of which of
>'my distant relatives' you are talking about. I hope no relative of mine,
>distant or close, would need to seek support from dirty money!
>
>Your attitude is the type that encourages public officers to embezzle
>public funds with the 'justification' that "A sheep grazes where it is
>tethered". Human beings reducing themselves to the level of a sheep in
>order to justify their crime.
>
>But we are humans and therefore must have consciences. We cannot behave
>like sheep or zombies just because we find it most convenient! I wonder why
>you find it justifiable to call for the boycott of certain institutions,
>like McDonalds for example, because of their policies in Arab lands but
>can't seem to extended that justification to issues like the one at hand. I
>say it is because of sheer hypocrisy! Principles should be consistent and
>not waived in some instances and maintained in others.
>
>Regards.
>
>Kabir.
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>A reception was supposed to be held in honor of President Jammeh on
>Saturday
>in Washington, DC. So obviously, he will meet Gambians.
Seedy,
A reception was held in DC but you know they hand-picked people that were
invited to the reception. If Jammeh is the president of the Gambia, why did
they only hand- pick a few Gambians to attend the reception????
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Ndey,
First and foremost, I must tell you that you need to watch your spellings
very carefully. If you cannot do a manual spelling check, set your computer
do it for you. It is pretty easy.
Secondly, I am aware that English is not your mother tongue, but if you are
pursuing or want to pursue a career in either writing or politics, you need
to revisit your tenses. This will be very helpful to you.
Finally, if the postings you make on this site is what you called a
"Continuing Struggle, " then The Gambia really needs help. You need to study
a little bit. Your ideas are too ancient for modern Gambia.
God bless The Gambia!
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Are you familiar with online shopping? A growing trend on the internet today. Electronic commerce has now become and will continue to be a multibillion dollar industry. As a Gambian investigating the growing trends, I wish to invite all interested individuals to contact me privately through my email address [log in to unmask] and I will give you more information regarding this venture. The financial rewards are very appealing.
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<P><B><I>FELIX RENNER <[log in to unmask]></B></I> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:16:46 -0700 (PDT)<BR>From: FELIX RENNER<[log in to unmask]> <BR>Subject: Online Shopping on the Net<BR>To: gambia L<[log in to unmask]> <BR>CC: [log in to unmask]<BR><BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:40:27 +0200
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From: Amadu Kabir Njie <[log in to unmask]>
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Thank you! Well said yourself.
Regards.
Kabob.
jula muso Darboe <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> Well said brother... we have a lot of hypocrites amongst us; =
unfortunately
> they are also the people who claim to be following the teachings of =
Islam,
> Chritianity etc. I guess some us just are not pricipled enough to =
take a
> stand... As Ndey puts it, the struggle continues
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> >From: Amadu Kabir Njie <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: [Dictator Jammeh]
> >Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:52:07 +0200
> >
> >Habib wrote:
> >
> >"Brother Kabir
> >"you are entitled to your opinion .
> >I just want to let you know that when someone comes to the center to =
ask
> >for help they do not have the type of conscience you are talking =
about .
> >They just want to survive. Many of
> >your distant relatives have needed our services and we are glad to =
help
> >them.
> >Thank you for all your support .
> >
> >"I hope you will one day be in a position to help out in a more =
positive
> >way
> >Wasalaam"
> >
> >Brother Habib,
> >
> >When you say "Many of your distant relatives have needed our services =
and
> >we are glad to help them", you should go on and give examples of =
which of
> >'my distant relatives' you are talking about. I hope no relative of =
mine,
> >distant or close, would need to seek support from dirty money!
> >
> >Your attitude is the type that encourages public officers to embezzle
> >public funds with the 'justification' that "A sheep grazes where it =
is
> >tethered". Human beings reducing themselves to the level of a sheep =
in
> >order to justify their crime.
> >
> >But we are humans and therefore must have consciences. We cannot =
behave
> >like sheep or zombies just because we find it most convenient! I =
wonder why
> >you find it justifiable to call for the boycott of certain =
institutions,
> >like McDonalds for example, because of their policies in Arab lands =
but
> >can't seem to extended that justification to issues like the one at =
hand. I
> >say it is because of sheer hypocrisy! Principles should be consistent =
and
> >not waived in some instances and maintained in others.
> >
> >Regards.
> >
> >Kabir.
> >
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:37:17 -0500
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From: Bamba Laye <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Words Vs Actions....what a joke !
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Check this out folks!
Source : =
http://www.freedomforum.org/international/1999/9/27africanpres.asp
Abdoulie Jallow.
2 African presidents claim allegiance to free speech=20
By Dana G. Williams
World Center=20
9.27.99
a.. What do you think? Have your say in The Forum.=20
=20
Zambian President Frederick Chiluba.
=20
=20
ARLINGTON, Va. =97 Two African presidents said separately =
today they were committed to free speech, but actions contradicted words =
when the Gambian president's representatives tried to block some people =
from entering a discussion here.=20
Zambian President Frederick Chiluba and Gambian President =
Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh, speaking separately at back-to-back meetings =
co-sponsored by the African Correspondents Association, both said their =
citizens have freedom of speech.=20
But Jammeh said his government would censor the media when =
it was a matter of national security. When newspapers and broadcasts =
insult the government, the public becomes suspicious and distrustful of =
its leaders, he said.=20
=93I believe in freedom,=94 Jammeh said. =93I can assure the =
press is free, as long as the press is responsible.=94=20
Jammeh's security force tried to stop several people, =
thought to be opposed to Jammeh, from attending the meeting by blocking =
the doors. Freedom Forum representatives allowed those people to enter =
the room.=20
Fatou Jaw Manneh, a reporter for the Gambian Daily Observer, =
said that the National Intelligence Agency, Gambia's national security =
organization, tried to prevent her from entering the forum because they =
told her she was a "security risk."=20
Manneh also said, "Freedom of the press is not as absolute =
in Gambia as Jammeh stated.=20
"It is a fake democracy. There is no freedom for the press," =
Manneh said. "The government is devious, the country is not stable, and =
anyone who writes something about the president can be arrested without =
an explanation."=20
=20
Gambian President Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh.
=20
=20
Jammeh's 1996 newspaper decrees #70 and #71 stipulated fines =
for independent news organizations that do not register with the =
government. The regulations also doubled the price of registration, =
according to the Committee to Protect Journalists=92 publication, =
Attacks on the Press in 1998. These regulations put a hefty financial =
burden on all independent news publications in the Gambia.=20
Like Gambia, Zambia censors and harasses journalists for =
reporting negatively on government actions, according to the CPJ Web =
site.=20
Chiluba denied there were any restrictions on the media.=20
"There is freedom of speech, freedom of association, and =
there are lots of newspapers running in Zambia," Chiluba said. "But =
there are laws that apply to all Zambians, and if those freedoms =
interfere with a neighbor's rights, it is an assault."=20
With a growing democracy comes more freedom, and more =
freedom requires a greater sense of responsibility, Chiluba said. =
Although Chiluba insisted the press had freedom, reporters are =
restricted by laws that apply to all Zambian citizens. Thus, Zambian =
reporters are not free to report the news as they deem fit.=20
To Chiluba, it is a matter of respect for fellow Zambians. =
Chiluba said the press had a responsibility to research its facts, =
report accurately and not to infringe on the rights of others.=20
Both presidents expressed concern that their continent is =
portrayed in the news as poor, diseased and corrupt. While admitting =
their continent and countries suffer economic hardship, Chiluba and =
Jammeh said they were committed to the ideas of free speech, free press =
and freedom of assembly in their developing democracies.=20
After the forum, Manneh and six other Gambian citizens =
protested outside of The Freedom Forum against Jammeh's censorship =
policies. They termed the Gambian government corrupt, and said the =
president was not as open to free speech as he says he is.=20
The Gambia is a West African country situated in the middle =
of Senegal. Jammeh came to power in 1994 after spending nine years in =
the Gambia National Army, which overthrew Sir Dawda Jawara in a =
bloodless coup, according to the official Web Site of Gambia.=20
Zambia is in southern Africa, north of Zimbabwe. Chiluba =
became president of Zambia in 1991. In 1997, he successfully ended a =
coup attempt against his political party, the Movement for Multiparty =
Democracy, according to CPJ.
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size=3D5></FONT></B><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Lucida =
Sans Unicode"=20
size=3D2>Check this out folks!</FONT></EM></STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode"=20
size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans =
Unicode"=20
size=3D2>Source : <A=20
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p">http://www.freedomforum.org/international/1999/9/27africanpres.asp</A>=
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<P><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode"=20
size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans =
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size=3D2>Abdoulie Jallow.</FONT></EM></STRONG></P>
<P><B><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica" size=3D5>2 African =
presidents=20
claim allegiance to free speech </FONT></B></P>
<P><FONT face=3DVerdana,Arial,Helvetica size=3D1>By Dana G. =
Williams<BR>World Center=20
</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D1>9.27.99</P>
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<LI>What do you think? Have your say in <A=20
href=3D"http://truman.fac.org/forum/welcome.asp">The =
Forum</A>.=20
<P>
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<TD width=3D150><FONT face=3DVerdana,Arial,Helvetica =
size=3D1>Zambian President Frederick =
Chiluba.<BR><IMG=20
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Va. — Two African presidents said separately today =
they were=20
committed to free speech, but actions contradicted words =
when the=20
Gambian president's representatives tried to block some =
people from=20
entering a discussion here.=20
<P>Zambian President Frederick Chiluba and Gambian President =
Yahya=20
A.J.J. Jammeh, speaking separately at back-to-back meetings=20
co-sponsored by the African Correspondents Association, both =
said=20
their citizens have freedom of speech.=20
<P>But Jammeh said his government would censor the media =
when it was=20
a matter of national security. When newspapers and =
broadcasts insult=20
the government, the public becomes suspicious and =
distrustful of its=20
leaders, he said.=20
<P>“I believe in freedom,” Jammeh said. “I =
can=20
assure the press is free, as long as the press is=20
responsible.”=20
<P>Jammeh's security force tried to stop several people, =
thought to=20
be opposed to Jammeh, from attending the meeting by blocking =
the=20
doors. Freedom Forum representatives allowed those people to =
enter=20
the room.=20
<P>Fatou Jaw Manneh, a reporter for the <I>Gambian Daily=20
Observer,</I> said that the National Intelligence Agency, =
Gambia's=20
national security organization, tried to prevent her from =
entering=20
the forum because they told her she was a "security =
risk."=20
=20
<P>Manneh also said, "Freedom of the press is not as =
absolute=20
in Gambia as Jammeh stated.=20
<P>"It is a fake democracy. There is no freedom for the =
press," Manneh said. "The government is devious, =
the=20
country is not stable, and anyone who writes something about =
the=20
president can be arrested without an explanation."=20
<P>
<TABLE align=3Dright border=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 =
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<TR>
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=
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<TD width=3D150><FONT face=3DVerdana,Arial,Helvetica =
size=3D1>Gambian President Yahya A.J.J. =
Jammeh.<BR><IMG=20
border=3D0 height=3D1=20
=
src=3D"cid:000501bf0a45$1309e520$c91d0f3f@oemcomputer"=20
vspace=3D5 =
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<P>Jammeh's 1996 newspaper decrees #70 and #71 stipulated =
fines for=20
independent news organizations that do not register with the =
government. The regulations also doubled the price of =
registration,=20
according to the Committee to Protect Journalists’=20
publication, <I>Attacks on the Press in 1998.</I> These =
regulations=20
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publications in=20
the Gambia.=20
<P>Like Gambia, Zambia censors and harasses journalists for=20
reporting negatively on government actions, according to the =
<A=20
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<P>Chiluba denied there were any restrictions on the media.=20
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Chiluba said.=20
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=20
<P>With a growing democracy comes more freedom, and more =
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<P>To Chiluba, it is a matter of respect for fellow =
Zambians.=20
Chiluba said the press had a responsibility to research its =
facts,=20
report accurately and not to infringe on the rights of =
others.=20
<P>Both presidents expressed concern that their continent is =
portrayed in the news as poor, diseased and corrupt. While =
admitting=20
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Chiluba and=20
Jammeh said they were committed to the ideas of free speech, =
free=20
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protested=20
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policies.=20
They termed the Gambian government corrupt, and said the =
president=20
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Check this out folks!
Source : http://www.freedomforum.org/international/1999/9/27africanpres.asp
Abdoulie Jallow.
2 African presidents claim allegiance to free speech
By Dana G. Williams
World Center
9.27.99
a.. What do you think? Have your say in The Forum.
Zambian President Frederick Chiluba.
ARLINGTON, Va. — Two African presidents said separately today
they were committed to free speech, but actions contradicted words when the
Gambian president's representatives tried to block some people from entering
a discussion here.
Zambian President Frederick Chiluba and Gambian President Yahya
A.J.J. Jammeh, speaking separately at back-to-back meetings co-sponsored by
the African Correspondents Association, both said their citizens have
freedom of speech.
But Jammeh said his government would censor the media when it
was a matter of national security. When newspapers and broadcasts insult the
government, the public becomes suspicious and distrustful of its leaders, he
said.
“I believe in freedom,” Jammeh said. “I can assure the press is
free, as long as the press is responsible.”
Jammeh's security force tried to stop several people, thought to
be opposed to Jammeh, from attending the meeting by blocking the doors.
Freedom Forum representatives allowed those people to enter the room.
Fatou Jaw Manneh, a reporter for the Gambian Daily Observer,
said that the National Intelligence Agency, Gambia's national security
organization, tried to prevent her from entering the forum because they told
her she was a "security risk."
Manneh also said, "Freedom of the press is not as absolute in
Gambia as Jammeh stated.
"It is a fake democracy. There is no freedom for the press,"
Manneh said. "The government is devious, the country is not stable, and
anyone who writes something about the president can be arrested without an
explanation."
Gambian President Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh.
Jammeh's 1996 newspaper decrees #70 and #71 stipulated fines for
independent news organizations that do not register with the government. The
regulations also doubled the price of registration, according to the
Committee to Protect Journalists’ publication, Attacks on the Press in 1998.
These regulations put a hefty financial burden on all independent news
publications in the Gambia.
Like Gambia, Zambia censors and harasses journalists for
reporting negatively on government actions, according to the CPJ Web site.
Chiluba denied there were any restrictions on the media.
"There is freedom of speech, freedom of association, and there
are lots of newspapers running in Zambia," Chiluba said. "But there are laws
that apply to all Zambians, and if those freedoms interfere with a
neighbor's rights, it is an assault."
With a growing democracy comes more freedom, and more freedom
requires a greater sense of responsibility, Chiluba said. Although Chiluba
insisted the press had freedom, reporters are restricted by laws that apply
to all Zambian citizens. Thus, Zambian reporters are not free to report the
news as they deem fit.
To Chiluba, it is a matter of respect for fellow Zambians.
Chiluba said the press had a responsibility to research its facts, report
accurately and not to infringe on the rights of others.
Both presidents expressed concern that their continent is
portrayed in the news as poor, diseased and corrupt. While admitting their
continent and countries suffer economic hardship, Chiluba and Jammeh said
they were committed to the ideas of free speech, free press and freedom of
assembly in their developing democracies.
After the forum, Manneh and six other Gambian citizens protested
outside of The Freedom Forum against Jammeh's censorship policies. They
termed the Gambian government corrupt, and said the president was not as
open to free speech as he says he is.
The Gambia is a West African country situated in the middle of
Senegal. Jammeh came to power in 1994 after spending nine years in the
Gambia National Army, which overthrew Sir Dawda Jawara in a bloodless coup,
according to the official Web Site of Gambia.
Zambia is in southern Africa, north of Zimbabwe. Chiluba became
president of Zambia in 1991. In 1997, he successfully ended a coup attempt
against his political party, the Movement for Multiparty Democracy,
according to CPJ.
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Jula Musa,
What would you have done if you were in the position of those who organized
the reception? Please remember that this was not a political rally. However,
you could organize a similar gathering and extend an invitation to President
Jammeh and see if he would accept the invitation.
Seedy.
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Subject: Researchers Urged To Set Agenda For Africa
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Researchers Urged To Set Agenda For Africa
Researchers Urged To Set Agenda For Africa
September 29, 1999=20
Ruth Nabakwe, PANA Correspondent=20
PARIS, France (PANA) - African researchers and their European =
counterparts have resolved to enhance co-operation between them to =
ensure research findings responded actively towards solving development =
problems facing Africa.
They said this could be done by putting such findings at the disposal of =
policymakers, a measure intended to stimulate Africa's integration in =
globalisation.=20
This thinking comes as a result of recognition that Western researchers, =
despite their willingness, have not yet concretised their links with =
their Southern counterparts for effective co-operation to boost the =
Southern countries' global impact, according to the administrator of the =
Dakar-based Council for the Development of Social Research in Africa, =
Mamadou Koulibaly.
He said the major problem underlying the lack of strong links between =
the Southern and Western researchers is shown by Southern researchers =
inability to effectively influence policy makers in their countries - =
unlike their Western counterparts - to ensure their findings are =
translated into practical action to meet the growing demand for =
solutions to socio-economic problems facing their countries.
Koulibaly participated at last week's conference on "Europe and the =
South in the 21st century: Challenges for Renewed Co-operation" in =
Paris.
The conference provided an opportunity for African researchers to review =
their strategies and concretise their actions with the European =
researchers for effective integration of their work with the Western =
partners in the context of globalisation, he said.
Responding to what prevented African researchers from playing a leading =
role in setting the agenda for change on the continent, Koulibaly urged =
African researchers to be action-oriented, particularly when they attain =
political decision making levels.=20
"When the researchers are in the laboratories they say they have =
discovered what needs to be done to eradicate socio-economic problems. =
But when they attain positions of authority, they forget to use those =
positions to apply their findings that they were urging others to do =
when they were in the laboratories," he told PANA.=20
Koulibaly blamed such attitudes to the kind of politics in Africa where =
he said once in political positions as ministers or directors the =
researchers found it was easier to live as politicians than as =
researchers.=20
Such attitudes, he explained, perpetuated the mismanagement and misuse =
of funds that so often face many African countries.=20
"Forty years after development co-operation, we have proof that African, =
despite making accusations of being made poor through colonialism and =
slavery, are in effect stealing from their own continent and following =
on the same track as those they accused. This must change," Koulibaly =
said.=20
According to him, time has come for the intellectual elite to play a =
leading role in influencing policymakers if Africa is to emerge from =
poverty and under-development into the arena of progress.=20
Already the Paris conference has set the pace for renewed co-operation =
with Western researchers by initiating mechanisms for action, he said.
Such action include advocacy and lobbying activities among the =
researchers to mobilise the critical funding needed for research in =
Africa from the international financial institutions.=20
On their part, African researchers resolved to take serious steps to =
generate the desired interest in their work to policymakers, to enable =
research activities to take the central role of shaping the agenda for =
positive change in terms of development.=20
Koulibaly observed that such an agenda can only succeed if African =
governments institute good governance and better management of =
resources.
He said that Africa of the next decade will to a great extent be =
determined by the initial conditions being put in place in Africa today, =
such as a willingness to follow a positive track towards sound =
management and efficiency in socio-economic and political affairs.=20
According to him, Africa must avoid lagging behind in this age of =
globalisation where currently emergence of cyber-societies that are =
hyper-developed will progressively move ahead in future leaving the =
continent behind with its populations continually ravaged by poverty and =
disease.=20
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I would like to acknowledge the warm and wonderful support and response
received at Yellowgate by all of you wonderful people. Since the launching
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We wish to extend our gratitude to all of you for your encouragement,
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On behalf of Elie Nachif and the whole Yellowgate team, I thank you. May
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Subject: Fw: [Fwd: GIVE PRESIDENT ALH. YAHYA JAMMEH A CHANCE]
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Hi guys,
I thought it might be of some interest.
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GREETINGS TO ALL OF YOU BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
This message is addressed to those GAMBIAN DETRACTORS, who wander around
the STATUE OF LIBERTY, mouthing words about FREEDOM AND LIBERTY, when
right there in their temporary abode, they are playing a game of hide
and seek with local immigration officials.
They are those who thrive on illegal activities and when unmasked, would
behave as though the whole world owes them a living. They would slander
anyone and libel anyone without compunction. THE REPUBLIC OF THE GAMBIA
does not need such zombies. These are people who do not know the history
of THE GAMBIA nor its culture. In all her history, GAMBIA had never
indulged in "LEADERSHIP BASHING". GAMBIANS AS A PEOPLE have existed as
long as any other people under different types of political systems e.g.
slave-owning system, colonialism and now Republicanism.
It is quite obvious that in those days, democracy was unknown in THE
GAMBIA. Under the current system of government, there is in place a
Government of Consultation through the electoral process.
The type of Government GAMBIA has always been identified with before
the advent of colonialism was a government of "CONSULTATION".
YES , traditional Rulers of THE GAMBIA always used the consultative
mechanism in place at that time. They consulted their people through
established social groupings such as Kabilos, Kundas, Kafos etc.
We have had three hundred years of colonialism but only in the
last twenty years of those years did the the word "Election" ever crop
up.
Why, may I ask, the obsession with this democracy hoo-ha?
Should we be conditioned to measure democracy only in terms of the
"electoral process" ?-Surely not.
Democracy first and foremost means access to Education for all and
sundry, Health care, Employment, accessible roads, clean water etc. etc.
Democracy does not mean one simple act of casting a ballot-token to
elect a person as PRESIDENT. Simply put, Democracy For AFRICA
means providing bread for her people. Let me put one simple question to
the detractors of PRESIDENT JAMMEH.
Where was "democracy" when Africans were being sold as slaves?
Where was 'democracy' when Africa was being colonised?
Where was 'democracy' when segregation was institutionalised in
America?
When was democracy born?
It appears that democracy arrived too late for AFRICANS.
Let us not try to settle personal scores through fabrications and
slander against our Leadership. Let us not pull apart the fabric of our
society. Let there be differences of opinions but let us resolve
them amicably.
Those of you who are trying to peddle your intellectual prowesses,
please peddle them in situ amongst yourselves.
I have read somewhere in the internet someone claiming that PRESIDENT
JAMMEH has dismissed more civil servants in five years than PRESIDENT
JAWARA did in 30 years. I have heard or read this claim before and it
does not pay to remain silent when an untruth is uttered.
Such a claim is absolutely incorrect. In the thirty (30) years of
PRESIDENT JAWARA'S REIGN (Yes, he reigned) only two PERMANENT
SECRETARIES retired statutorily- meaning retired at the retirement age
of 55 years. Many were prematurely retired- the rest were literally
hunted out of the civil service.
Let me add that over ten(10) Customs Officers were dismissed in a
single
day in 1992 by PRESIDENT JAWARA'S GOVERNMENT.
Nowadays, when a civil servant is dismissed, he need not fear anything
or anyone as he has all rights to petition PRESIDENT JAMMEH.
A number of officials who were dismissed not long ago have since been
reinstated through an appeal to PRESIDENT JAMMEH.
Some people either have very poor memories or they do not know the
facts.
During the abortive coup of 1981 which nearly toppled PRESIDENT
JAWARA(in fact he was toppled but for SENEGAL he would have ceased to be
PRESIDENT as early as 1981)religious leaders,village headmen,civil
servants,farmers were rounded-up and herded into barracks and detained
for over 18 months. Many were given Kangaroo court trials.
Even schools were used as detention centres. A prominent opposition
Leader Sheriff Mustapha Dibba was falsely indicted and imprisoned for
years.
Where was "democracy" when all these things were happening?
Two mass graves in Banjul bear testimony to PRESIDENT JAWARA'S 1981
greed for power.
Some of you cannot be out there and claim to love THE GAMBIA more than
those who are in the thick of things right here. There are some of you
who do not genuinely know the facts. But there are those who are bent
upon
destroying THE GAMBIA from afar- but GOD WILLING, their plans will
founder.
Whilst the evil man plans, GOD also plans and GOD IS THE BEST
PLANNER.
I am a great admirer of the American people and I salute the
achievements of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. But America has had her
excesses and still does.There is no perfect state in this world.
Some of you should read more- perhaps you may wish to start with the
book on J.EDGAR HOOVER called "THE MAN AND THE SECRETS" by CURT GENTRY.
Perhaps after having read this book ,some of you will stop
bashing at PRESIDENT JAMMEH for a while.
My advice to all those detractors is to rally round AFRICA'S
clarion call for those responsible for the AFRICAN SLAVE TRADE to
cough-up and pay AFRICA FOR THE DAMAGE THEY HAD WROUGHT upon AFRICA AND
AFRICANS.
I say to all you brothers and sisters, please do not
succumb to the brain-washing tactics being employed by AFRICA'S FOES.
I do not care what YAHYA JAMMEH'S detractors might think
of him but I can say one thing about him- that PRESIDENT JAMMEH is a
VERY GOOD MAN.
He loves The Gambia, AFRICA AND AFRICANS. He Loves HUMANITY.
MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL .
GOOD-BYE
GORR YUMBUL.
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Here's an interesting article to share with all you great people out there.
Abdoulie Jallow
Source: http://www.freedomforum.org/technology/1999/9/1africafreepress.asp
Internet plays increasing role in Africa's free press
By Joe S.M. Kadhi
Special to free!
9.1.99
a.. What do you think? Have your say in The Forum.
(Editor's note: Joe Kadhi is a professor of journalism who
teaches in Nairobi. This is excerpted from a paper he delivered at a Freedom
Forum technology conference in Johannesburg on Sept. 3.)
Independent African journalists have grasped the Internet as the
key to a truly global free society, with its promise of universal social
justice, unhindered by tyranny or by national boundaries.
For decades, journalists have languished in jails for telling
the truth about official corruption and misrule by dictators, in Africa as
around the world. But now, the days when African dictators could muzzle the
press by owning all the mass media are about to end.
African government-controlled radio and television stations that
have for years been used as political instruments to perpetuate despotism
now face a new challenge that promises to protect the voice of the people
and safeguard democracy. That new challenge is the Internet, which can be
seen in Africa as a major force for democratic empowerment and the
empowerment of often-suppressed journalists.
Unprecedented in any other medium, the Internet poses the
greatest threat to African dictators who have committed untold crimes and
jailed the journalists who dared expose them. Today, courageous journalists
can do their exposes freely through the Internet, enjoying free speech and
open access to information and ideas that were taboo in the past.
Today, the Internet is also the main hope of the free thinkers
of Africa to establish the foundation for a participatory medium for mass
communication that will liberate the often muzzled Fourth Estate.
The barriers that were created by African dictators to confine
news and information about their misrule and corruption are falling due to
the global communication systems that have been revolutionized by the
Internet, making the availability of unlimited information a process that is
almost instant.
Everything that the dictators used to outlaw — free press, free
radio, free television and even free postal services — are combined on the
Internet and made available to the people freely and without the consent of
the dictators. In broadcasting alone, long controlled by governments,
frequently silenced voices of free African journalists can today be heard by
millions through computers, modems and telephone lines.
According to the press-advocacy group Article 19, an estimated
100 million people in more than 240 countries now have access to the Net. A
staggering 350 million Web pages provide news and information on every topic
imaginable. With content as wide as human imagination, the Internet is now a
platform for a perpetual dialogue among the free people of the world,
including a growing number of Africans.
Though Africa has one of the world's poorest telephone networks,
the Internet has spread rapidly throughout the continent: more than 50 of
its 54 countries have some form of access to it. Net access has opened new
avenues, widening the range of free expression and empowering the people to
a level of information freedom and human rights respectability previously
almost unimaginable.
The beneficiaries of this new development include educational
institutions, business, news media and civil society. All use e-mail to
exchange political, scientific, economic, social and cultural news in a
manner that has already begun to advance human rights values. It is a new
power of democracy, used for the first time by Africans using the Internet
as a new platform for free speech.
How dictators control news media
Sometimes it is not easy to explain in detail how dictators
control the media in Africa. But in my own country, Kenya, government
control of the electronic media is established by law, ensuring a government
monopoly of the airwaves. The law also ensures that licensing
radio-communication stations, installing broadcasting facilities and
deciding where they will be located are all directly under the control of
the central administration.
These legal provisions have been used effectively to limit
competition as well as to silence alternative voices in Kenya's electronic
media. The problem of government control of the electronic media in what is
ostensibly a pluralistic society is further aggravated by the concentration
of control in the ruling party, the Kenya African National Union, or KANU,
which is in turn controlled by one individual, President Daniel arap Moi.
The laws controlling the electronic media in Kenya have rendered
broadcasters, the government, the ruling party and the president effectively
inseparable.
This link is aptly illustrated each day by the selection of
stories for Kenya's television and radio news. The national radio and
television stations air news items on a daily basis directly or indirectly
describing the magnanimity, courage and wisdom of the president as the first
item of the news, no matter what else is happening in the country or the
rest of the world.
When the editor of the East African newspaper, Joseph Ondindo,
commented on this manner of handling news, his comments became an issue in
Parliament, where a chorus of condemnation was sounded by indignant pro-KANU
members.
The central control of the airwaves by the government also goes
against international law, which calls for freedom to seek, receive and
impart information and ideas through all the media and regardless of
frontiers. The right to communicate, together with the right of access to
the means of expression, have been violated by African dictators every
single day. These are vital human rights, rights which the Internet is now
restoring to the people.
Regimes try to rein in Net threat
However, as they realize the power of the Internet and its
ability to empower the people to criticize freely the misdeeds of those in
authority, many African governments are now seeking ways to control and
censor the Internet. They do so by claiming to fight against pornography,
but the real reason for the anti-Internet campaigns is to silence political
opposition.
These anti-Net campaigns are being pursued without concern for
undermining the principles of free expression enshrined in international
law — or even the constitutions of their own countries. The new hope of
empowerment therefore faces the danger of censorship and control by the very
dictators most threatened by the Internet and democratization.
Another threat to the new freedom of the Internet is, in my
opinion, the excessive commercialization of cyberspace, which has already
clogged the Net with trade displays at the expense of the voice of the
people and a civil society.
Also, the process of depoliticizing cyberspace has had a
negative effect to the extent that what we see on the screens may be less
culturally diverse and may provide fewer alternative political views. Thus
the uniqueness of the Internet as a vehicle for freedom of expression and a
tool for democratic empowerment may be eroded.
The Internet's uncontrolled character, which authenticates its
promise for democracy, must, in my view, be preserved if it is to champion
the course of social and economic justice. Preserving this uncontrolled
character of the Net will also ensure that suppressed people around the
African continent can be given a voice, a chance to participate in the
global information society and an opportunity to benefit from it.
There may be limitations imposed by infrastructure and
resources: Though many African governments have publicly committed
themselves to liberalizing and developing the continent's telecommunication
networks, it is uncertain whether the promises made in international forums
are then backed by committed political will. In addition, the lack of
economic resources may in some countries make those promises no more real
than fairy tales.
Mere treat for the elite?
In addition to being extremely expensive, at least for now, the
Internet poses yet another serious problem in Africa: It threatens to create
or reinforce a small, very highly informed elite in urban areas, while the
majority of the people in rural areas continue to suffer from information
starvation. The new technology has given a few Africans a new opportunity to
engage in free political, social and economic dialogue, yet at the same time
it may marginalize the majority of the people who have no access to it.
Consider the fact that the Internet depends on telephone.
Millions of Africans have never used a phone, and they have no hope of ever
using one. Confined mostly to capital cities, the telephone in Africa is
regarded as a luxury, enjoyed only by a relative few elitist members of the
establishment.
Last year, Dr. Pekka Tarjanne, Secretary General of the
International Telecommunication Development, drew the attention of the world
community to the danger of the global information society becoming global in
name only. According to Dr. Tarjanne, the world was divided into what he
called "information rich" and the "information poor."
But despite the Internet's inaccessibility to the majority of
the people, this new media technology is being used by a few in Africa who
have it to serve the many in Africa without it.
For example, it is being used by African human rights
organizations in such countries as Kenya and Zambia to fight for the rights
of the people on an international level. Thus the voice of oppressed people
can be heard in all parts of the world, because the few human rights
activists have an international audience provided by the Internet.
Because of the Internet, dictatorial regimes in Africa are no
longer able to suppress information about human rights advocacy. Details of
human rights violations in Africa can be known all over the world literally
minutes after they are committed.
African dictators who once arrested, tortured and detained
journalists and political activists freely but in secret are today exposed
to the international community almost immediately after they commit these
crimes. International human rights organizations such as Amnesty
International can and do intervene much more speedily when illegal arrests
are made. Many political prisoners have been saved by appeals from the donor
communities when they learn about the arrests and torture through the
Internet.
Creating a gathering place
Journalists in Kenya, Nigeria and Zambia who have in the past
had their newspapers impounded are today able to network and discuss their
problems through organizations such as the Toronto-based International
Freedom of Expression Exchange, or IFEX. These organizations have introduced
media freedom on the continent beyond the reach of the censors' pen. And
today there are scores of African newspapers on the Internet, and people
read them all over the world.
And, though still extremely rare, some enlightened African
governments use the Internet to initiate public debate on important policy
issues. South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission of South Africa
was one example.
Access to economic, social and political information can bring
nations together and promote mutually beneficial exchanges concerning
health, education and research. The Internet in Africa is providing all of
these services, though still on a very limited scale. Used properly, the
Internet could help Africans improve their health services by providing free
medical advice to community health workers and to remote village hospitals.
In the field of education the Internet's benefits are vast, including
distant education and distribution of reference and research materials.
Much of the economic, educational and even cultural information
about Africa today is more easily available from Western universities than
from universities in Africa. But now, the Internet has started to provide
African scholars an opportunity to draw on these resources — and to share
their knowledge with other scholars from the rest of the world.
Even with cultural criticisms, a lifeline
Despite these advantages there are still some Africanists who
oppose the Internet and are critical of the spread of what they call
cultural imperialism from the West. Their argument is that, unless more Web
sites are devoted to African cultural values, the continent will never be a
fully participating citizen of the global village.
But despite this argument, the Internet in Africa has formed a
lifeline to the rest of the global village, used to bring rapid humanitarian
relief after natural or manmade disasters. The Internet has also been able
to make the world understand African problems faster through the CNN, New
York Times and Los Angeles Times Web sites, so that potential donors can
react quickly to disasters that confront many African countries.
At the moment, for example, victims of the war in southern Sudan
depend for their daily survival on international humanitarian assistance
provided by Operation Lifeline Sudan, an organization that depends entirely
on the Internet to communicate with the donor nations. Emergency food and
medical supplies helping thousands of homeless war victims of southern Sudan
would not be as readily available as it is today without the Internet.
And according to World Vision, its Web site is visited by as
many as 35,000 people a month and has been responsible for as much as $
180,000 in donations per month for poor African nations.
However, the spread of the benefits of the Internet in Africa,
including free expression and dissemination of news and views with little
government interference, may face a challenge and interference on another
front: Dictatorial governments are exploring indirect controls on the Web by
controlling Internet service providers. Using their powerful political
positions, they are working to control the new technology to restrain its
users through the monopolization of Africa's telecommunication services.
Needless to say, monopolization of Internet access services by
African governments also poses a threat to freedom of expression. The total
governmental control of telecommunications services persists, though it may
run counter to many African constitutions guaranteeing freedom of
expression, and occasionally has been challenged in court.
In Zimbabwe, for example, government control of
telecommunication was challenged in 1995, when a private cellular operator,
Retrofit, objected to the state's monopoly. The court ruled in favor of
Retrofit and accused the Government of violating Section 20 of the
constitution, which protects freedom of expression.
Adopt a 'First Amendment'
One of the most effective methods of stopping such indirect
control is to call for the enactment of legislation similar to the First
Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, to protect and promote the free exchange
of ideas. Such legislation, in my view, is necessary and desirable.
African dictators are aware that attempts to silence the Net
have been made by many countries, including some Western nations such as the
U.S. in 1997 and Germany in 1998. They also know that banning any item from
the Internet has international ramifications, and anything that is banned
from its source cannot be available elsewhere in the world.
To silence political opposition on the Net, therefore,
dictatorial African governments have investigated using sophisticated
filtering and rating software which is now widely available. Software
devices used to censor objectionable Internet sites now pose the greatest
danger to freedom of expression, and though online human rights networks
condemn their use, they have been effectively utilized throughout North
Africa, especially Tunisia.
Attempts to silence the Internet in Africa date back to the
early days of the Web. In Zambia, in February 1996, the authorities
threatened to sue Zamnet, the country's main ISP, unless it removed a banned
online edition of The Post newspaper. Though the government succeeded in
making Zamnet remove the online Post from the Net, Zambians could still
obtain it from other service providers outside of the country.
The late Nigerian dictator Gen. Sani Abacha's attempts to ban
the Internet in 1996 were also met with strong opposition. And in Ethiopia,
attempts to control the Internet through legislation in 1996 were met with
both international and local condemnation.
In 1997, Internet service providers in Malawi complained about
government attempts to create an Internet monopoly by consolidating Internet
access in a few selected pro-government firms.
The rural challenge
Apart from constant threats from the dictators, the greatest
challenge today for the Internet in Africa is to bring low-cost Internet
access to rural areas. The development of an African Information
Superhighway will depend on close cooperation among governments, civil
society and multinational corporations, many of which have long done
business with state-controlled telecommunication organizations — even as
many telecoms were misused by dictators to perpetuate their misrule.
For Africa to benefit fully from the Internet, the entire
continent must be wired for political, economic, social and cultural
liberation. Low-cost telecommunications services for rural communities
should be the aim of all who are interested in seeing progress on the
African continent.
Peasants, farmers, doctors, teachers, businessmen, market women,
research workers, engineers and journalists all stand to gain when they have
free and open access to information through the new technologies, which can
be ideal catalysts for economic and social development. Central in achieving
these goals is the political goodwill.
Journalists have already leapfrogged to the international
communication system through undersea cables, satellites and now the
Internet, and their voices and their reporting are heard by the world.
But their work will be more meaningful when their voices and
their reporting can also reach the communities, villages and schools
throughout Africa.
Another possible cause of worry is whether the Internet can be
misused by racists, anti-Semitic groups, tribalists and other hate
campaigners. Some of these groups are already making use of the Net to
spread their hate campaigns. In South Africa, for example, a group that is
considered still sympathetic to the policy of apartheid, the Broederbond,
has had an Internet Web site preaching the doctrine of white supremacy. In
my own country, Kenya, sites operated by black racists call for the
expulsion of Asians.
Advocates of free expression must also be prepared to discuss
criticism that the Internet could be used and is indeed being used as a
vehicle for such harmful and illegal activities as child pornography,
incitement to tribal hatred, terrorism and even drug trafficking. But in the
end, the Net is a very private medium that is watched by individuals who can
claim the right to their privacy.
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Assalamu Alaikum Modou,
I have been really worried about the aftershock and its affected areas.
Thanks to Allah (SBW) for saving your part of the island. Remember we are
tirelessly on our daily prayers. I have the belief that the Almighty will
secure everything around you. Lets continue the worship for that is what we
all have been created for.
May the Almighty continue to shower you with His blessings? Amen
'Ella Kebba'
Ousman.
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Dear Brother:
Thank you for your wonderful thoughts for I personally felt very disappointed
for coming across such personal attacks. Knowing most of the guys involved in
this exchange of words, I was constantly asking myself if they really know
what they are engaged in. Please tell me if this do make any sense at all.
Realizing that we all come from The tiny Gambia. These are the plain, simple
and basic facts delaying all the collective progresses we all be always
talking about. Tell me if I may be wrong. I am a person who always welcome
criticisms especially if it will help to bring something fruitful that all
will benefit from.
May I appeal to all to refrain from such acts for I think we do have a lot
more important issues to be our prime concern? With the same token, I will
commend those sharing their beautiful articles. We need to remember that it
is not only Gambians view these mails.
Fellow Gambia's, let us realize where we are from. As some have said earlier,
past experiences should teach us to work hard for a brighter future and a
better Gambia. Once again, brothers Habib, Kabir, EB jarju, Seedy Saidykhan
etc. and sisters Ndey, Ida and the rest, I am appealing to all to come forth
with some ideas on how we can form some kind of Gambian Collation within the
US to begin with whereas we can successfully put something together that will
benefit the development of that beautiful tiny Gambia. Let us remember that
in order to drive this to success, we do not bring in any politics. If we do,
it will be a waste of time.
Please let me know at any time you think my contribution is needed. Thank you
all and keep up with the good job.
God bless you all, The Gambia and the Gambian people wherever they may be.
Ousman
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Aba,
Are you trying to tell Gambians that it is ok to
kill,harass Gambians. How can a state minister died
without an explaination of the cause. Opposition
members being kidnapped. Organized group of people to
harassed Gambians such as july 22nd movement. What
good does this movement does for Gambians?
I am not interested in politics at all, i believe
that every Gambian should have the right to express
his feelings without being arrested or kidnap.
Don't take it too personal.
Muktarr.
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>
> I thought it might be of some interest.
>
> aji
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aba <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 05:27
> Subject: [Fwd: GIVE PRESIDENT ALH. YAHYA JAMMEH A
> CHANCE]
>
>
> >
> >
>
> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:06:32 -0700
> From: Aba <[log in to unmask]>
> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: GIVE PRESIDENT ALH. YAHYA JAMMEH A CHANCE
>
> GREETINGS TO ALL OF YOU BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
> This message is addressed to those GAMBIAN
> DETRACTORS, who wander around
> the STATUE OF LIBERTY, mouthing words about FREEDOM
> AND LIBERTY, when
> right there in their temporary abode, they are
> playing a game of hide
> and seek with local immigration officials.
> They are those who thrive on illegal activities and
> when unmasked, would
>
> behave as though the whole world owes them a living.
> They would slander
> anyone and libel anyone without compunction. THE
> REPUBLIC OF THE GAMBIA
> does not need such zombies. These are people who do
> not know the history
> of THE GAMBIA nor its culture. In all her history,
> GAMBIA had never
> indulged in "LEADERSHIP BASHING". GAMBIANS AS A
> PEOPLE have existed as
> long as any other people under different types of
> political systems e.g.
> slave-owning system, colonialism and now
> Republicanism.
> It is quite obvious that in those days, democracy
> was unknown in THE
> GAMBIA. Under the current system of government,
> there is in place a
> Government of Consultation through the electoral
> process.
> The type of Government GAMBIA has always been
> identified with before
> the advent of colonialism was a government of
> "CONSULTATION".
> YES , traditional Rulers of THE GAMBIA always used
> the consultative
> mechanism in place at that time. They consulted
> their people through
> established social groupings such as Kabilos,
> Kundas, Kafos etc.
> We have had three hundred years of colonialism but
> only in the
> last twenty years of those years did the the word
> "Election" ever crop
> up.
> Why, may I ask, the obsession with this democracy
> hoo-ha?
> Should we be conditioned to measure democracy only
> in terms of the
> "electoral process" ?-Surely not.
> Democracy first and foremost means access to
> Education for all and
> sundry, Health care, Employment, accessible roads,
> clean water etc. etc.
>
> Democracy does not mean one simple act of casting a
> ballot-token to
> elect a person as PRESIDENT. Simply put,
> Democracy For AFRICA
> means providing bread for her people. Let me put one
> simple question to
> the detractors of PRESIDENT JAMMEH.
> Where was "democracy" when Africans were being
> sold as slaves?
> Where was 'democracy' when Africa was being
> colonised?
> Where was 'democracy' when segregation was
> institutionalised in
> America?
> When was democracy born?
> It appears that democracy arrived too late for
> AFRICANS.
> Let us not try to settle personal scores through
> fabrications and
> slander against our Leadership. Let us not pull
> apart the fabric of our
> society. Let there be differences of opinions
> but let us resolve
> them amicably.
> Those of you who are trying to peddle your
> intellectual prowesses,
> please peddle them in situ amongst yourselves.
> I have read somewhere in the internet someone
> claiming that PRESIDENT
> JAMMEH has dismissed more civil servants in five
> years than PRESIDENT
> JAWARA did in 30 years. I have heard or read this
> claim before and it
> does not pay to remain silent when an untruth is
> uttered.
> Such a claim is absolutely incorrect. In the thirty
> (30) years of
> PRESIDENT JAWARA'S REIGN (Yes, he reigned) only two
> PERMANENT
> SECRETARIES retired statutorily- meaning retired at
> the retirement age
> of 55 years. Many were prematurely retired- the rest
> were literally
> hunted out of the civil service.
> Let me add that over ten(10) Customs Officers were
> dismissed in a
> single
> day in 1992 by PRESIDENT JAWARA'S GOVERNMENT.
> Nowadays, when a civil servant is dismissed, he need
> not fear anything
> or anyone as he has all rights to petition PRESIDENT
> JAMMEH.
> A number of officials who were dismissed not long
> ago have since been
> reinstated through an appeal to PRESIDENT JAMMEH.
> Some people either have very poor memories or they
> do not know the
> facts.
> During the abortive coup of 1981 which nearly
> toppled PRESIDENT
> JAWARA(in fact he was toppled but for SENEGAL he
> would have ceased to be
>
> PRESIDENT as early as 1981)religious leaders,village
> headmen,civil
> servants,farmers were rounded-up and herded into
> barracks and detained
> for over 18 months. Many were given Kangaroo court
> trials.
> Even schools were used as detention centres. A
> prominent opposition
> Leader Sheriff Mustapha Dibba was falsely indicted
> and imprisoned for
> years.
> Where was "democracy" when all these things were
> happening?
> Two mass graves in Banjul bear testimony to
> PRESIDENT JAWARA'S 1981
> greed for power.
> Some of you cannot be out there and claim to love
> THE GAMBIA more than
>
> those who are in the thick of things right here.
> There are some of you
> who do not genuinely know the facts. But there are
> those who are bent
> upon
> destroying THE GAMBIA from afar- but GOD WILLING,
> their plans will
> founder.
> Whilst the evil man plans, GOD also plans and GOD
> IS THE BEST
> PLANNER.
> I am a great admirer of the American people and
> I salute the
> achievements of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. But
> America has had her
> excesses and still does.There is no perfect state in
> this world.
> Some of you should read more- perhaps you may
> wish to start with the
>
> book on J.EDGAR HOOVER called "THE MAN AND THE
> SECRETS" by CURT GENTRY.
> Perhaps after having read this book ,some of
> you will stop
> bashing at PRESIDENT JAMMEH for a while.
> My advice to all those detractors is to
> rally round AFRICA'S
> clarion call for those responsible for the AFRICAN
> SLAVE TRADE to
> cough-up and pay AFRICA FOR THE DAMAGE THEY HAD
> WROUGHT upon AFRICA AND
> AFRICANS.
> I say to all you brothers and
> sisters, please do not
> succumb to the brain-washing tactics being employed
> by AFRICA'S FOES.
> I do not care what YAHYA JAMMEH'S
> detractors might think
>
> of him but I can say one thing about him- that
> PRESIDENT JAMMEH is a
> VERY GOOD MAN.
> He loves The Gambia, AFRICA AND AFRICANS. He
> Loves HUMANITY.
> MAY GOD BLESS
> YOU ALL .
>
> GOOD-BYE
> GORR YUMBUL.
>
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Subject: [BRC-NEWS] To Be Afrikan
>http://www.wanonline.com/blackhistory/blackhistory6248.html
>
>World African Network
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>February 26, 1999
>
>To Be Afrikan
>
>by Dr. Marimba Ani <[log in to unmask]>
>
>All people, all over the world, throughout history have shared in common
>the fact that they belong to a culture of origin. That is a universal
>reality. Another equally important universal reality is that there are
>many, many different cultures in the world and each of them is unique.
>
>The uniqueness of a culture is what gives specialness to its members. The
>members of a culture are bonded together by their shared culture, which
>gives them a sense of collective identity.
>
>"We are an Afrikan people," simply reveals that there are values,
>traditions and a heritage that we share because we have a common origin.
>The cultural process is naturally a ongoing, which allows people to
>continuously affirm their connectedness through being linked to their
>origins.
>
>However, the continuity of our cultural identity has been interrupted
>cruelly and unnaturally by the experience of slavery. We as a people are
>still suffering from this crime because we have not been allowed to find
>our way back to the sense of cultural identity and continuity which would
>transform us into a unified and whole people. We have not been able to
>function in the world with a collective consciousness that naturally
>imparts a strong sense of cultural roots.
>
>The term "Maafa" (from the book, "Let The Circle Be Unbroken) is a
>kiswahili word for "disaster" that we are now using to reclaim our right
>to tell our own story. Maafa refers to the enslavement of our people and
>to the sustained attempt to dehumanize us. Because the Maafa has
>disconnected us from our cultural origins, we have remained vulnerable in
>a social order that does not reflect our cultural identity.
>
>We are people of African ancestry living in denial of who we are. We have
>lost our strength as a people. We are losing our children to systems which
>miseducate them. Our families are disintegrating before our eyes. Our
>numbers are growing in the statistics of drug addiction and incarceration.
>
>Responsible national Black organizations are seeking remedies to these
>problems, but we are not speaking with one voice. We need to work together
>as a family who supports its members and who is responsible for their
>welfare. We must use the most valuable asset that we have: That is the
>spirit of our people. It is that spirit that connects us to our Afrikan
>roots.
>
>Slowly, we are awakening to the need to claim our cultural legacy. The
>term "Sankofa" from Akan tradition in Ghana, West Africa tells us to
>return to the Source so that we can go forward with strength and clarity.
>Culture is a powerful tool for inspiring human beings and bringing them
>together in a concerted "family" action.
>
>Our cultural roots are the most ancient in the world. The spiritual
>concepts of our Ancestors gave birth to religious thought African people
>believe in the oneness of the African family through sacred time, which
>unites the past, the present and the future.
>
>Our Ancestors live with us. They created the first civilizations thousands
>of years ago and they suffered the pain of the Maafa. And yet, they were
>able to endure the most disastrous and dehumanizing circumstances ever
>perpetrated against a group of people, only because of the power of the
>African spirit. They did not have the freedom to affirm their cultural
>heritage. We now have that choice. In the African view of life it is our
>responsibility to honor their name.
>
>This is perhaps our moment of truth. We must come together as a family. We
>must do all that we can do to uplift our people. Otherwise, we are still
>denying who we are and bringing dishonor to our "family name;" to our
>Ancestors.
>
>The answer to our social dilemma is the resocialization of our people into
>the cultural value-system that affirms our spiritual being. Our Ancestors
>are calling us "home", back to our cultural selves. We must begin the
>process of Sankofa.
>
>--
>
>Dr. Marimba Ani, an activist in the African Liberation Movement, worked as
>field-organizer for the Student Nonviolent Committee (SNCC) in Mississippi
>in the 60s. She has continued her activism through her scholarship.
>
>She has created African-centered theoretical concepts that have assisted
>in the developing of an African Cultural Science. At this time, she is
>actively involved in retrieving philosophy and in the re-creation of
>ritual, so that they can be used for the transformation and healing of
>people of African descent
>
>Currently, Dr. Ani teaches in the Black and Puerto Rican Studies
>Department of Hunter College in New York.
>
>She is credited with writing the scholarly works "Let The Circle Be
>Unbroken" and "Yurugu: An African-centered Critique of European Cultural
>Thought and Behavior," as well as articles that have appeared in scholarly
>journals.
>
>Copyright (c) 1999 Dr. Marimba Ani. All Rights Reserved.
>
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Subject: [BRC-NEWS] Unchaining Slaves of National Debt
>[ Moderator: Jubilee 2000 USA is located at http://www.j2000usa.org/ ]
>
>http://www.natcath.com/public/032699a.htm
>
>National Catholic Reporter
>
>March 26, 1999
>
>Goal for 2000: unchaining slaves of national debt
>
>By THOMAS E. AMBROGI <[log in to unmask]>
>
>On May 16, 1998, representatives of the eight wealthiest nations in the
>world -- known as the Group of 8, or G8 -- held their annual summit
>meeting in Birmingham, England. An astounding throng of 70,000 people from
>all over the United Kingdom was assembled there by the Jubilee 2000
>Campaign, to create a human chain seven miles long around the conference
>center and to raise the chant of "Break the chains of debt," calling for
>cancellation of the crushing debt of impoverished countries by the year
>2000.
>
>It was the first audible cry of a roar for justice that is beginning to be
>heard in every corner of the world, and that calls for echoing action in
>the churches of the United States.
>
>The Jubilee 2000 -- or J2K -- Campaign is a coalition of unprecedented
>international breadth and vitality that has grown dramatically around the
>world in the past two years. The campaign has its roots in communities of
>faith, but it includes secular groups of every political stripe, all
>sharing a moral commitment to a debt-free fresh start for the world's
>poorest nations.
>
>It draws inspiration from the Year of Jubilee every 50 years described in
>Leviticus 25. But you don't have to be a believing Jew or Christian to
>rise to the vision of liberation projected in this remarkable movement.
>
>An English political economist at the University of Keele named Martin
>Dent first had the idea of linking the debt crisis to the concept of
>Jubilee and the millennium. In 1990, he began to circle the globe alone,
>gaining access to finance ministers and bank presidents to share debt
>cancellation tables and the Jubilee vision he had worked out. He finally
>raised enough initial funding, and the first tiny Jubilee 2000 office was
>opened in London in April of 1996.
>
>The international coalition that has since developed has organizing
>offices in some 60 countries on all five continents. Each national office
>shares a common logo of breaking chains and is exchanging ideas on the
>Internet. The first international conference of Jubilee 2000 was held in
>November 1998 in Rome, with 38 national J2K campaigns and 12 international
>organizations represented.
>
>That conference agreed to coordinate a Global Chain Reaction that will
>work toward a target of 22 million signatures -- the biggest petition in
>history -- to be delivered as part of an international event at the next
>Summit of the G8 countries on June 19 in Cologne, Germany.
>
>Strong calls for Third World debt cancellation have been issued by all
>world church bodies, including the Vatican, the U.S. Catholic Conference
>and numerous national bishops' conferences, the recent Lambeth Conference
>and the World Council of Churches Assembly in Harare, Zimbabwe.
>
>Compared to the rest of the world, grassroots awareness on this issue is
>in its infancy in the United States. The Jubilee 2000/USA campaign was
>launched in June 1997, at the annual G8 Summit held in Denver. A national
>office was opened in early 1998 in Washington, and an excellent education
>packet is being distributed widely as an organizing tool in religious and
>community groups around the country.
>
>The U.S. campaign grew out of the Religious Working Group on the World
>Bank and the IMF, a coalition of some 40 Catholic and Protestant
>organizations that had been working on debt relief for several years. Its
>steering committee includes every major denomination and social justice
>organization in the faith community. The committee collaborates with the
>U.S. Catholic Conference and the National Council of Churches and hopes to
>develop similar working relationships in the Muslim and Jewish
>communities.
>
>The Year of Jubilee
>
>The context for the economic and political renewal being proposed lies in
>the "Jubilee" year as proclaimed in Leviticus 25, which called for a
>comprehensive remission of obligations to take place on every "Sabbath's
>Sabbath."
>
>"You shall count seven weeks of years, seven times seven years, so that
>the period ... gives 49 years. ... And you shall hallow the 50th year and
>proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants."
>
>The ram's horn call to Jubilee is an urgent mandate for overcoming the
>systemic structures of injustice and poverty. It is intended to bring a
>new beginning for all, to restore justice and equality and to protect and
>nurture the land. It is remarkable that the first call is for liberty of
>the land itself.
>
>In Chapter 25, we hear God say, "You shall grant a redemption of the
>land." It is a year of solemn rest, a fallow year for the sake of the
>land, when "all its yield shall be for food" and not for profit. And for
>the inhabitants, all leased or encumbered or forfeited land shall be
>returned to its original owners: "Each shall return to his property";
>slaves shall be redeemed and set free; and each community member shall be
>released from all debts.
>
>The Sabbath and Jubilee codes are also spelled out in Deuteronomy 15,
>especially in the call for every creditor to release what he has lent to
>his neighbor.
>
>Although there is no evidence that the Jubilee program was ever carried
>out, the theological premise of all these texts is that Jubilee
>restructuring of the community's assets is to remind Israel that the land
>belongs to God and that they are strangers and sojourners in the land, an
>Exodus people who must never return to a system of possessive slavery over
>one another.
>
>Isaiah 61 appropriates the Jubilee vision in the prophetic call to "bring
>good news to the poor and liberty to the captives" and to proclaim "the
>year of the Lord's favor." It was this text that Jesus of Nazareth chose,
>above all others, to define his mission and inaugurate his ministry in
>Luke 4. And it is this bold and central affirmation that relates the
>biblical notion of Jubilee to the mission to break the chains of debt in
>the impoverished countries of the world.
>
>The J2K platform addresses the debt of all impoverished countries. The
>campaign believes that, as a minimum, debt relief should be offered to the
>40 nations identified as "heavily indebted poor countries." Several key
>ideas in the five specific points of the platform should be highlighted.
>
>First, the call is to definitive debt cancellation -- not just reducing or
>rescheduling debt service.
>
>Second, only unpayable debts are under consideration.
>
>Third, the cancellation must not be conditioned on the drastic policy
>reforms currently demanded by structural adjustment programs, which
>perpetuate poverty and environmental degradation.
>
>Fourth, there must be recognition that both lenders and borrowers are
>responsible and that joint creative action is needed to recover resources
>that have been stolen by corrupt regimes.
>
>Finally, it must be cancellation that benefits ordinary people and on
>terms that are agreed to in a transparent and participatory process that
>will break the cycle of future debt.
>
>Scope, size of debt crisis
>
>Debt relief is an urgent matter of justice, not a plea for charity. The
>debt burden in the most impoverished nations is both economically
>unsustainable and morally unacceptable. Impoverished countries are
>economically trapped into making unending and compounding interest
>payments on their debts. This requires them to divert large amounts of
>scarce resources from health care, education and food security, ensuring
>that any real economic development will be impossible.
>
>Furthermore, ordinary people did not benefit from many of the loans that
>gave rise to this debt, but, under the rules of the global economic game,
>they bear the principal burden of repayment, keeping both them and future
>generations unjustly chained in dehumanizing poverty.
>
>Until one sees how foreign debt touches lives, it remains only an academic
>debate among economists and ministers of finance. The J2K Coalition aims
>to make sure that it is seen as more than that. Ethical analysis, rooted
>in human dignity, is as fundamental as economic analysis in solving the
>debt crisis.
>
>The overall global debt of all developing countries, according to United
>Nations statistics, was $567 billion in 1980 and $1.4 trillion in 1992. In
>that same 12-year period, total foreign debt payments from Third World
>countries amounted to $1.6 trillion. This means that, having already paid
>back three times over the $567 billion they had borrowed, far from being
>less in debt, in 1992 they owed 250 percent more than they owed in 1980.
>
>There are 40 countries that are described by the World Bank as "heavily
>indebted." They owe about $213 billion in foreign debts, according to
>World Bank President James Wolfensohn. Thirty-three of them are in Africa.
>
>Many African countries spend four times as much servicing debt each year
>as they do on health care and education for their citizens. It is reliably
>estimated that for every dollar given in development aid, three dollars
>come back to rich countries in debt-service payments.
>
>The debt that is held by impoverished countries is of three kinds:
>
>* Multilateral debt is owed to international financial institutions, such
>as the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund or regional development
>banks, such as the Inter-American Development Bank or the African
>Development Bank. Forty-five percent of debt owed by heavily impoverished
>nations is multilateral.
>
>* Bilateral debt is owed to individual governments, such as the United
>States, France and Japan. These governments meet in two groups: the Paris
>Group (United States, Japan and European nations) and the non-Paris Group
>(Asia and Eastern Europe). Forty-five percent of debt owed by heavily
>impoverished nations is bilateral.
>
>* Commercial debt is owed to international commercial banks, such as
>Citibank. Ten percent of heavily impoverished nations' debt is commercial.
>
>From the earliest days of the debt crisis, access to multimillion-dollar
>loans from the World Bank and IMF was made contingent on a country's
>agreement to carry out a drastic program of economic "liberalization."
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>The rapid introduction of liberalization programs is terribly traumatic to
>a people already limping under the crushing burden of foreign debt.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>This array of monetary, budgetary, market and trade reforms have together
>come to be known as "Structural Adjustment Policies." The package varies
>in detail from country to country, but the main policies include: reducing
>the state's role in the economy, lowering barriers to imports, removing
>restrictions on foreign investment, raising taxes, eliminating subsidies
>for food staples and for local industries, reducing spending for social
>welfare, cutting wages, devaluing the currency and emphasizing production
>for export rather than for local consumption.
>
>Liberalization means freeing the economy from government control, in the
>presumption that a relatively unregulated free market will bring growth
>that trickles down for the benefit of everyone. But the rapid introduction
>of such programs is terribly traumatic to a people already limping under
>the crushing burden of foreign debt, as the history of every impoverished
>country has clearly shown.
>
>If all state-owned enterprises are privatized -- such as electricity,
>transport and communications -- many low-wage workers are likely to lose
>their jobs. When the national currency is devalued to make exports cheaper
>on the world market and unlimited foreign investment is encouraged, and
>tariffs and import quotas are lowered, local producers rapidly lose
>control of their own economy.
>
>Abolishing subsidies for local industries, raising interest rates and
>restricting credit will put many small enterprises out of business and
>bankrupt many small farmers.
>
>Structural adjustment policies demand that real wages be reduced, that
>taxes be increased and that government spending for health and welfare be
>reduced, all in order to balance the budget. And, finally, agricultural
>and industrial production must be shifted from food staples and basic
>goods for domestic use to export products that will bring in hard foreign
>currency.
>
>UNICEF regularly documents how the cost of such policies is borne
>disproportionately by the poor and their children. The austerity demanded
>in social spending and domestic policies, in order to demonstrate an
>impoverished nation's "fiscal responsibility," translates most directly
>into fewer social services for the poor, the elimination of consumer
>subsidies for basic food staples and public transportation, schools
>without teachers or textbooks, and health clinics without nurses or
>medicine. As Julius Nyerere, the great former president of Tanzania, has
>cried out, "Must we starve our children to pay our debts?"
>
>The debt crisis first came to public attention in August 1982 when Mexico
>announced it could not pay the interest and principal due on its foreign
>debt. Some 25 other developing nations in Africa, Asia and Latin America
>(including Brazil, Argentina and Venezuela), soon followed Mexico or
>threatened to do so. This was all unthinkable -- countries just did not go
>bankrupt -- and the issue of unrepayable debt has hounded the
>international community ever since.
>
>Among many other complex factors, much of the debt crisis can be traced
>back to 1973-74, when the OPEC countries quadrupled the price of oil.
>Oil-exporting countries had a surplus of $433 billion between 1974 and
>1981, so they deposited it in commercial banks in the United States,
>Europe and Japan. When these banks found themselves awash in new money,
>there was a rush to encourage -- even push -- developing countries to
>borrow, often at very low and variable rates of interest.
>
>In 1979-80, OPEC again doubled the price of oil. In the early to
>mid-1980s, there was a worldwide collapse of commodity prices, especially
>copper, and many African countries also suffered a severe drought that
>resulted in one of the worst famines of this century. When variable
>interest rates skyrocketed to more than 20 percent in just a few years,
>impoverished nations found themselves in an impossible position, far
>beyond what they had bargained for when they took their original loans.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Even the most notorious corruption did not discourage the lending.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>During the Cold War, donor governments (such as the United States) were
>often more interested in gaining allies than in whether receiving
>governments really served their people or whether the money went to
>productive purposes. Billions were lent by Northern governmental and
>multilateral creditors to repressive or irresponsible Third World
>governments for reasons the majority of their people neither knew about
>nor agreed with and from which they derived no benefit.
>
>Many projects were poorly designed or badly planned, buildings and power
>stations that were never completed and roads that led to nowhere. It was
>often wasteful misspending that left behind no productive capacity to
>repay the loans.
>
>Even the most notorious corruption did not discourage the lending: to
>Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, Mobutu Sese Seko in Zaire, Suharto in
>Indonesia, Anastasio Somoza in Nicaragua. It was well-known by creditor
>banks that little of this money ever reached the people, and that most of
>it was being siphoned into Swiss bank accounts or wasted on repressive and
>self-serving military adventures.
>
>Cold War collusion and corruption left behind a dreadful heritage of now
>unpayable debt in Third World countries. In similar circumstances today,
>the leaders of post-apartheid South Africa call the unjust burdens they
>have inherited "odious debt" and declare that in justice it should simply
>be written off.
>
>Debt resulting from theft by oppressive elites creates complex ethical,
>economic and political challenges when the question of debt cancellation
>gets serious. But it simply reaffirms the undeniable principle that
>responsibility for the foreign debt crisis lies not only with the debtor
>nations but with debtors and creditors alike.
>
>It was with this in mind, for instance, that African countries asked
>Jubilee 2000 to use the word impoverished rather than poor to describe
>them, arguing that developing countries are actively being impoverished by
>the international political and financial system.
>
>As we have seen, J2K is not calling for the cancellation of all debt,
>carte blanche, but rather of debt that is unpayable. Determining a debt to
>be unpayable is not simply a bottom-line exercise of determining whether a
>debt can physically be paid or not. The calculation grid is far more
>complex than a simple balance sheet.
>
>Unpayable foreign debt can better be defined as debt whose repayment would
>cost such human suffering that no honorable creditor would seek to exact
>it. Debt should also be declared unpayable whenever the cost of debt
>service is more than the financial resources needed to achieve significant
>human development.
>
>A 1987 Vatican statement on the ethics of debt cancellation put it another
>way: "No government can morally demand of its people privations that are
>incompatible with human dignity" ("At the Service of the Human Community:
>An Ethical Approach to the International Debt Question").
>
>The most urgent unpayable debt is that of the 41 nations that are declared
>by the World Bank and the IMF to be heavily impoverished nations. The J2K
>campaign is both simple in its call and sophisticated in its analytical
>approach, with a careful focus on specific countries and specific debts.
>The reality is that almost all of the debt in these countries cannot and
>will not be repaid, and it is senseless for creditors to believe
>otherwise.
>
>These impoverished countries cannot develop healthy economies as long as
>millions of their people are being denied basic health care and education
>and earn wages so low that they can barely survive. Cancellation of this
>crushing debt burden is the most practical way to reduce poverty and
>restart impoverished economies, as well as to protect the global
>environment -- which undergoes enormous degradation under the pressure to
>develop export markets to meet the demands of debt repayment.
>
>True market value
>
>Because the face value, or official amount, of these debts will never be
>repaid, the true market value of the debts is only a fraction of their
>face value. Bilateral debts of impoverished nations to the U.S.
>government, for instance, are heavily discounted, generally worth only
>about 10-15 percent of the original loan. Donor nations and lending
>institutions will not suffer to any great extent by writing off these
>debts, since contributions needed would be based on true market value.
>
>In effect, Western governments received what they paid for -- support in
>the Cold War -- and they have already been well repaid over many years of
>debt servicing.
>
>There are numerous precedents for debt relief, including cancellation. In
>1953, Germany negotiated an accord with the Allied powers in which, in
>addition to having about 80 percent of its war debt written off, it was
>required to use only 3 to 5 percent of export earnings to pay back the
>rest of its foreign debt. Impoverished nations are currently required to
>use 20-25 percent of their earnings for debt repayment, and it is ironic
>that Germany now sits on the IMF Board that enforces that stringent
>demand.
>
>In the late 1980s, creditor countries cancelled about 50 percent of
>Poland's debt, as the Iron Curtain was beginning to come down. In 1991,
>the United States forgave $7 billion in debt that Egypt owed, in gratitude
>for Egyptian assistance in the Gulf War.
>
>Here at home, a Stanford University study showed that the U.S. government
>bailout of savings and loans companies in the early 1990s will cost the
>American people $1.36 trillion over the 40-year life of the bonds that
>have been floated to make good those irresponsible and illegal
>transactions in junk bonds. Most American taxpayers are unaware just how
>generous they have been in cancelling that debt for the S&Ls, or that they
>are paying depositors 100 percent of their loss rather than only up to the
>$100,000 maximum usually covered by FDIC, the Federal Deposit Insurance
>Corporation.
>
>No argument can be made that, as a nation, we simply cannot afford the
>money required for debt cancellation in the impoverished nations. The
>question is political will, not economic possibility.
>
>J2K supports the cancellation of crushing international debt because the
>biblical calls to Jubilee and to care for the poor are compelling, and
>because it is simply the right thing to do. At the same time, however, in
>an increasingly globalized world there are many practical reasons why it
>is in the enlightened self-interest of industrialized nations to relieve
>the debt burden of impoverished countries, and these reasons have their
>own persuasive power.
>
>First, a major governing principle of the capitalist economic system is
>the need for ever-expanding markets. The huge debts of impoverished
>nations and the rigid imposition of structural adjustment austerity
>frequently lead to social conflict, political instability and government
>repression. When this is added to crumbling infrastructures and a poorly
>educated and unhealthy workforce, it is unrealistic to expect foreign
>investment and market development.
>
>Greater political stability and economic possibility would make lower
>income countries better markets for goods and services and more attractive
>to corporate investors.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Environmental damage on a vast scale does not respect national borders.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Second, the need to repay foreign debt in hard currencies like U.S.
>dollars usually results in lax environmental protection and the misuse of
>natural resources. Unmanageable debt service easily translates into soils
>that are eroded and toxically depleted in the rush to raise cash crops,
>into waters that are polluted and overfished, into clear-cut rain forests
>and unregulated mining practices.
>
>Environmental damage on such a vast scale does not respect national
>borders, and rich countries must realize that the impact of this damage is
>also felt in their own backyard. The debt burden carried by impoverished
>countries has global repercussions and impoverishes us all.
>
>To call for Third World debt cancellation is in effect to take on all the
>major social and economic issues at once, and the focus of one's analysis
>continually widens. Migration patterns, for instance, are directly related
>to economic possibilities that have been wiped out by the demands of debt
>repayment. As the president of the Latin American Bishops' Conference has
>recently said, "When there is no development in the South, migrants will
>continue flowing north, because it's a situation of despair."
>
>International drug traffic is likewise related to the debt crisis. To
>repay their high international debt, the major drug-producing nations need
>hard currency from drug-consuming countries like the United States. The
>sale of cocaine and opium produces that hard currency, and the cycle of
>the drug fix continues.
>
>In 1996, there was a major shift by the IMF and the member nations of the
>World Bank when they announced the "Heavily Indebted Poor Country
>Initiative." The event was historic because the Bretton Woods
>institutions, for all the 50 years of their existence, had never
>considered writing off or rescheduling the debts owed to them. The intent
>of the initiative was to reduce a debtor nation's overall burden to a
>"sustainable" level, and that was in itself groundbreaking in the long
>history of international debt negotiations.
>
>Too little too late
>
>But many nongovernmental organizations and faith-based groups view the
>initiative as flawed in its design and intent. The criteria to qualify are
>too strict, the amounts offered are too small and the length of time
>required to prove credit-worthiness is too long, so that the whole process
>is simply too little and too late. Furthermore, in addition to continuing
>to insist on an array of structural adjustment programs, the initiative is
>intended only to restore a debtor country's ability to repay its loans,
>without any real consideration of debt cancellation.
>
>In November of 1998, the peoples of Central America suffered the ravages
>of Hurricane Mitch, which wiped out decades of painful development effort.
>There are a few hopeful rays of light in steps that have been taken by the
>international financial community to address this disaster.
>
>Nicaragua and Honduras, among the poorest nations in the hemisphere, with
>nearly half their people living below the poverty line, are the focus of
>most international attention. Honduras owes about $4.1 billion to
>international creditors, which is almost one-third of the government's
>total revenue last year. It takes $400 million a year to service that
>debt.
>
>Nicaragua owes about $6.1 billion, the highest per capita debt in the
>world. That takes $254 million a year to service, which is about 52
>percent of all its export revenue and almost three times the country's
>spending on health and education combined.
>
>Honduras needs to rebuild more than 170 bridges destroyed by Hurricane
>Mitch and to build new housing for more than 2 million homeless persons.
>Whole villages were washed away. Whole banana plantations -- not just
>their crops -- were washed away. There will not be another banana for
>export from Honduras for at least two and probably three years. Chiquita
>Banana and United Fruit shareholders will no doubt come down on their feet
>with tax writeoffs, but thousands of campesinos will have no work whatever
>for months and perhaps years ahead.
>
>George Bush came down right away and offered condolences, but no mention
>of possible debt cancellation. Hillary Clinton visited the area in
>mid-November, announcing a two-year moratorium on U.S. debt repayments --
>offering to postpone, but not cancel, $54 million that the two countries
>were scheduled to repay through the year 2000.
>
>Then, in December, a crisis consultation was called in Washington between
>the affected countries and the Paris Club ministers of finance, including
>the United States. Word finally came in early January that the Paris Club
>has agreed to forgive 80 percent of Nicaragua's debt, consider a similar
>reduction for Honduras and postpone for three years all payments on both
>countries' loans.
>
>Full details of all this are still hard to come by, but it is a historic
>event and should be saluted as such. It will free more than $400 million
>for reconstruction in the area. Advocates of Jubilee 2000 hope it will
>serve as an example for future deliberations on the Jubilee cancellation
>of debt.
>
>Still more promising are two broader initiatives on the international
>scene. In mid-January, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder launched his
>own proposal for alleviating the burdens of the most indebted nations,
>calling on the G8 nations to make this a priority at their June summit in
>Cologne.
>
>Given Germany's regrettable history of foot-dragging on this issue in
>World Bank/IMF deliberations, and given the fact that Schroeder will play
>host to the next G8 meeting in Cologne, his remarkable initiative should
>be applauded and encouraged in every possible political arena. This is,
>after all, the same June meeting of the G8 in Cologne to which the J2K
>Campaign hopes to bring 22 million signatures on a world-wide petition
>with the same objectives.
>
>At the 1999 World Economic Forum in late January, which brought together
>2,000 movers and shakers of the international financial community in
>Davos, Switzerland, Vice President Al Gore made a similar plea for a
>debt-relief plan for impoverished nations. Without giving any details, he
>pledged a new U.S.-led initiative to eliminate the debt burdens of
>developing countries, relieving them of their current burden of interest
>payments.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>The energy and speed with which the Jubilee 2000 Campaign has spread
>around the world is without precedent in international movements.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>According to The New York Times, Gore promised that the Clinton budget
>being sent to Capitol Hill would include "significant new U.S. funding" to
>pay off debts of impoverished nations, many in Africa, but further news
>reports never made mention of such a budget initiative. It may be hoped,
>however, that the pledge made by Gore at Davos would imply the
>administration's support for debt cancellation legislation, which will
>certainly be introduced in the 106th Congress this year.
>
>The energy and speed with which the Jubilee 2000 Campaign has spread
>around the world is without precedent in international movements. The
>extraordinary human chain that is being forged around the debt crisis is a
>sign of something new afoot -- a significant new momentum and an
>international awakening that declares that new beginnings are indeed
>possible for the poor, if only the political will can be generated to make
>that happen.
>
>The hidden blessing in the debt crisis may be that it will force the world
>toward a new global order, and there is more than a hint of this vision in
>the realistically ambitious goals of Jubilee 2000. To achieve the goal of
>debt cancellation in the most impoverished countries would put the world
>on the road toward creating humane alternatives beyond self-interest,
>economic systems in which conscious commitments to justice and compassion,
>rather than blind mechanisms or invisible hands, are counted on to make
>things right between peoples.
>
>If significant cancellation of debt is achieved, it will by its very
>nature force a widening range of new political and economic initiatives
>that will be revolutionary beyond our imagining. Traditional structural
>adjustment requirements will be replaced with adjustment programs that
>better meet the needs of poor people and promote participatory and
>equitable human development.
>
>A moment to grasp
>
>This, in turn, will force the governments of developing nations to ensure
>support for basic needs such as education, nutrition and health care, to
>prevent environmental degradation, to reduce inappropriate levels of
>military spending, to effectively seek recovery of resources that were
>diverted to corrupt regimes, and -- most important of all -- to develop
>democratic, transparent processes unique to each nation whereby debts will
>not be cancelled nor new loans ever again assumed without popular debate
>and the participation of civil society.
>
>The millennium is a key moment in time, a kairos, a moment that must be
>grasped. The Jubilee 2000 initiative clearly is poised to make a radical
>difference in our connectedness with a developing world that deserves more
>than the share it is getting of the riches of God's good earth.
>
>The J2K Coalition has already demonstrated that it has the potential to
>develop a broad convergence of political, economic and moral forces such
>as that which once ended slavery, and, in our time, apartheid. An
>effective political network is what urgently needs building, especially in
>the churches and the wider faith communities in this country.
>
>The convergence will not hold indefinitely. For the sake of the brothers
>and the sisters, we dare not let the millennial moment pass us by.
>
>
>Thomas E. Ambrogi is a theologian and human rights advocate who lives with
>his wife in Pilgrim Place, an ecumenical community of retired church
>professionals in Claremont, Calif.
>
>Copyright (c) 1999 National Catholic Reporter
>
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Ndey,
In a speech l heard broadcast on National Public Radio today, President
Clinton stated that the U.S will forgive the debt owed to them by any of
these countries, if the monies will be used towards the fight against
poverty and improvement of education, or something to that effect. However,
he said the particular country has to be able to prove it.
Jabou Joh
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<< On May 16, 1998, representatives of the eight wealthiest nations in the
>world -- known as the Group of 8, or G8 -- held their annual summit
>meeting in Birmingham, England. An astounding throng of 70,000 people from
>all over the United Kingdom was assembled there by the Jubilee 2000
>Campaign, to create a human chain seven miles long around the conference
>center and to raise the chant of "Break the chains of debt," calling for
>cancellation of the crushing debt of impoverished countries by the year
>2000.
>
>It was the first audible cry of a roar for justice that is beginning to be
>heard in every corner of the world, and that calls for echoing action in
>the churches of the United States.
>
>The Jubilee 2000 -- or J2K -- Campaign is a coalition of unprecedented
>international breadth and vitality that has grown dramatically around the
>world in the past two years. The campaign has its roots in communities of
>faith, but it includes secular groups of every political stripe, all
>sharing a moral commitment to a debt-free fresh start for the world's
>poorest nations.
>
>It draws inspiration from the Year of Jubilee every 50 years described in
>Leviticus 25. But you don't have to be a believing Jew or Christian to
>rise to the vision of liberation projected in this remarkable movement.
>
>An English political economist at the University of Keele named Martin
>Dent first had the idea of linking the debt crisis to the concept of
>Jubilee and the millennium. In 1990,
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Thank you very much brother Ousman,
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I apologized to all on the G-L and hope we put
this chapter behind us after this unnecessary ordeal.
I have a lot of respect for sisters Ndey , Ida, Soffie, Jabou & brothers Modou,
Ebrima, Baboucar Sillah -even Saiks & Kabir until recently) . What happened was
a plain misunderstanding taken out of context. Yes I admit , I was invited to the
reception on Saturday but due to a pre planned annual dinner function at our
center I could not attend and out of courtesy I also extended an invitation to
the Embassy ( nb- other Embassies were also invited and attended too -fyi) I did
mention that it was not a debate so there will be no Q & A 's.. I was at the
dinner all night with Dr Sulayman Nyang and Pap Jobe and about 350 others from 7
to 11 pm . Yet rumors were that I attended the reception. (completely unfounded
and untrue) Dr Nyang can vouch for that. False rumors commonly known as "Gheebah"
can cause "fitnah" so such remarks should be verified before they are spread.( I
would have attended if I did not have a previous engagement -for peace's sake)
secondly , my own brother Raif Diab was arrested and detained for over a month
before he was released without explanations. Thank god all ended well. . I gave
this example to clear the air and set the record straight and stop the false
rumors. I have always in the past and present contributed positively in the
Gambia and here in my humble opinion based on our religion which I strongly
believe that is part of the solution to the continent's problems if followed
correctly.
I bear no grudges for Jammeh , Kabir or anyone who may have been involved in the
recent character attacks and thank EB Jarju, CeedyKhan, and many others who sent
me personal emails for their support.
Yes to the Coalition for a better Gambia , Africa and world is my goal with
Allah's guidance (The Holy Quran) and help. Yes, Ousman, your contribution is
needed I am willing to forgive and forget. Let us all start with a clean slate.
Thank you.
Wasalaam
Habib Diab Ghanim
Ousman Manjang wrote:
> Dear Brother:
> Thank you for your wonderful thoughts for I personally felt very disappointed
> for coming across such personal attacks. Knowing most of the guys involved in
> this exchange of words, I was constantly asking myself if they really know
> what they are engaged in. Please tell me if this do make any sense at all.
> Realizing that we all come from The tiny Gambia. These are the plain, simple
> and basic facts delaying all the collective progresses we all be always
> talking about. Tell me if I may be wrong. I am a person who always welcome
> criticisms especially if it will help to bring something fruitful that all
> will benefit from.
> May I appeal to all to refrain from such acts for I think we do have a lot
> more important issues to be our prime concern? With the same token, I will
> commend those sharing their beautiful articles. We need to remember that it
> is not only Gambians view these mails.
> Fellow Gambia's, let us realize where we are from. As some have said earlier,
> past experiences should teach us to work hard for a brighter future and a
> better Gambia. Once again, brothers Habib, Kabir, EB jarju, Seedy Saidykhan
> etc. and sisters Ndey, Ida and the rest, I am appealing to all to come forth
> with some ideas on how we can form some kind of Gambian Collation within the
> US to begin with whereas we can successfully put something together that will
> benefit the development of that beautiful tiny Gambia. Let us remember that
> in order to drive this to success, we do not bring in any politics. If we do,
> it will be a waste of time.
> Please let me know at any time you think my contribution is needed. Thank you
> all and keep up with the good job.
> God bless you all, The Gambia and the Gambian people wherever they may be.
> Ousman
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Ousman,
I do agree with you, and I am sure, you know I'm not the type. Since I
joined the List, never had a problem with no one and never anticipating one.
I might have added some advice or tried to put a point across. I never meant
to disrespect or hurt anyone. If I do, well, I apologize and hope this will
bring an end to any heart-feelings.
Once again, I love you all, and hope we'll do something for the better Gambia
and STOP the Smearing of the People trying to make a difference back home.
They do need our support at all means necessary.
Until then, you all take care and watch out.
EB.
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OB
I must commend you, Bass and others for stressing the importance of covering
the national assembly by GRTS. But can you clarify what you mean by "the
bureaucratic redtapes" and the word "lacklustre" when you referred to GRTS.
Are you referring to lacklustre as "not bright or dull? Also TV coverage of
the National Assembly in the former regime has never been a problem since
there was no TV Station. So there is no comparison. "But I feel you"
Your Home Boy
SAUL
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Jaajef wa G-L,
I recieved this through another e-mail group I am
subscribed to; Action Without Borders. I hope
some people might find it worth pursueing and/or
subscribing.
Yeenduleen ak jaama
Tony
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
THE FREEDOM WE SHOULD ALL HAVE
At the heart of the work that many of us do is the belief
that there is one basic freedom - the freedom to work
with others for a better life - that should be as
available to us as the air we breathe. Without it, you
can't promote literacy, fight preventable diseases or
protect the environment. With it, everything else
becomes
possible.
If we have this freedom and others do not, two
questions
come up: Why should we care? And if we care, what
can
we do about it?
WHY SHOULD WE CARE?
If peace, nuclear safety or endangered species are
important to you, you need people to be free in their
own
country so they too can work on these issues.
At a deeper level, though, this basic freedom is simply
something we owe one another. Four hundred years
ago,
John Donne wrote that "no man is an island... any
man's
death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind."
Building on this, we can say that any person who can't
act peacefully to help himself or others diminishes all
of us.
WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT?
Working together, we can define this freedom as
concretely as possible, and build a broad coalition to
help promote it around the world.
At http://www.idealist.org/freedom.html you will find
a
short draft for such a definition, as well as a
searchable database of 1,200 organizations working
for
freedom and human rights in 85 countries, to help
people
get involved wherever they are.
Until the end of October, we will circulate this draft
as widely as we can. Then, by the beginning of
January,
we will publish a table showing where each government
stands on this basic freedom, and invite people
everywhere to help promote it country by country.
Throughout this process, we look forward to your
feedback.
Thanks!
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There you go again! Who said you were at any dinner? The crux of my =
exchange was, at least from my point of view, that it is wrong to accept =
such money, let alone solicit it! This point is more pertinent =
especially when you claim that the purpose is for 'zakat'. However much =
you try to twist that you won't succeed.
Regards.
Kabir=20
Habib Ghanim, Sr <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> Thank you very much brother Ousman,
>=20
> I agree with you wholeheartedly. I apologized to all on the G-L and =
hope we put
> this chapter behind us after this unnecessary ordeal.
> I have a lot of respect for sisters Ndey , Ida, Soffie, Jabou & =
brothers Modou,
> Ebrima, Baboucar Sillah -even Saiks & Kabir until recently) . What =
happened was
> a plain misunderstanding taken out of context. Yes I admit , I was =
invited to the
> reception on Saturday but due to a pre planned annual dinner function =
at our
> center I could not attend and out of courtesy I also extended an =
invitation to
> the Embassy ( nb- other Embassies were also invited and attended too =
-fyi) I did
> mention that it was not a debate so there will be no Q & A 's.. I was =
at the
> dinner all night with Dr Sulayman Nyang and Pap Jobe and about 350 =
others from 7
> to 11 pm . Yet rumors were that I attended the reception. (completely =
unfounded
> and untrue) Dr Nyang can vouch for that. False rumors commonly known =
as "Gheebah"
> can cause "fitnah" so such remarks should be verified before they are =
spread.( I
> would have attended if I did not have a previous engagement -for =
peace's sake)
> secondly , my own brother Raif Diab was arrested and detained for over =
a month
> before he was released without explanations. Thank god all ended well. =
. I gave
> this example to clear the air and set the record straight and stop the =
false
> rumors. I have always in the past and present contributed positively =
in the
> Gambia and here in my humble opinion based on our religion which I =
strongly
> believe that is part of the solution to the continent's problems if =
followed
> correctly.
> I bear no grudges for Jammeh , Kabir or anyone who may have been =
involved in the
> recent character attacks and thank EB Jarju, CeedyKhan, and many =
others who sent
> me personal emails for their support.
> Yes to the Coalition for a better Gambia , Africa and world is my goal =
with
> Allah's guidance (The Holy Quran) and help. Yes, Ousman, your =
contribution is
> needed I am willing to forgive and forget. Let us all start with a =
clean slate.
> Thank you.
> Wasalaam
> Habib Diab Ghanim
>=20
>=20
> Ousman Manjang wrote:
>=20
> > Dear Brother:
> > Thank you for your wonderful thoughts for I personally felt very =
disappointed
> > for coming across such personal attacks. Knowing most of the guys =
involved in
> > this exchange of words, I was constantly asking myself if they =
really know
> > what they are engaged in. Please tell me if this do make any sense =
at all.
> > Realizing that we all come from The tiny Gambia. These are the =
plain, simple
> > and basic facts delaying all the collective progresses we all be =
always
> > talking about. Tell me if I may be wrong. I am a person who always =
welcome
> > criticisms especially if it will help to bring something fruitful =
that all
> > will benefit from.
> > May I appeal to all to refrain from such acts for I think we do have =
a lot
> > more important issues to be our prime concern? With the same token, =
I will
> > commend those sharing their beautiful articles. We need to remember =
that it
> > is not only Gambians view these mails.
> > Fellow Gambia's, let us realize where we are from. As some have said =
earlier,
> > past experiences should teach us to work hard for a brighter future =
and a
> > better Gambia. Once again, brothers Habib, Kabir, EB jarju, Seedy =
Saidykhan
> > etc. and sisters Ndey, Ida and the rest, I am appealing to all to =
come forth
> > with some ideas on how we can form some kind of Gambian Collation =
within the
> > US to begin with whereas we can successfully put something together =
that will
> > benefit the development of that beautiful tiny Gambia. Let us =
remember that
> > in order to drive this to success, we do not bring in any politics. =
If we do,
> > it will be a waste of time.
> > Please let me know at any time you think my contribution is needed. =
Thank you
> > all and keep up with the good job.
> > God bless you all, The Gambia and the Gambian people wherever they =
may be.
> > Ousman
> >
> > =
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>OB
>
>I must commend you, Bass and others for stressing the importance of
>covering
>the national assembly by GRTS. But can you clarify what you mean by "the
>bureaucratic redtapes" and the word "lacklustre" when you referred to GRTS.
>Are you referring to lacklustre as "not bright or dull? Also TV coverage of
>the National Assembly in the former regime has never been a problem since
>there was no TV Station. So there is no comparison. "But I feel you"
>
>Your Home Boy
>SAUL
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REVOLUTIONARY GREETINGS FELLOW AFRIKANS!!!
As I always like to point out,we as a people need to always take time off
and re-examine ourselves as we make our efforts in achieving for ourselves
freedom and prosperity. We need to review our srategies, our strengths and
weaknesses and our location in the world and of course we need to study the
world itself and the forces that operate in it so that we will be
controllers of the world and our destiny, and not the other way round. As we
undertake this task we also need to determine the forces that obstruct us,
in terms of their strength and weaknesses, and the means they use to keep us
down. Any soldier who wants to win a war have to first of all know the power
of the adversary, and the ways of that enemy. This gives you the opportunity
to properly locate yourself and plan so as to position your arms in a manner
that will ensure maximum destruction of the enemy with minimum resources in
minimum time! Great generals like Hannibal employed such a strategy and he
beat the Romans with bigger forces! For those who do not know, the victory
of Desert Storm in the Gulf led by General Schwarpkof followed exactly the
strategy of Hannibal, and the Allies inevitably beat Saddam. Am not
endorsing the Gulf War, but am making reference to the need for one to
always understand oneself, and also understand what you are against, for
that in itself is one step towards victory. The other more significant thing
is that while we Black people reject our past and history, here is the most
modern army in the most modern time falling back on the wisdom and ways of
the Ancient and registering victory; a past and history which is indeed
ours, for Hannibal is as Black as Madi Jobarteh in the Gambia!!!!!!!
Today I want to state the reasons for my writings and I want to say I have
three objectives for these writings. First I want to stress the need for
strategy and how sometimes we get so much obsessed with strategy to an
extent that it backfires on us, simply because we have confused the
strategy. Secondly I want to address an issue I notice flying around
Afrikans from the Gambia who are talking about unity with Senegal, and
thirdly I want to give again the reasons for the writings I do here.
One of the strategies that is currently high on the agenda is the issue of
unity. But as I said there is some confusion about unity, which in my mind
is not progressive at all. This view of unity has caused some of our people
to either reject the idea of Afrika uniting, or they think it is not yet
time, or still it makes no difference for us to unite or remain as Nigeria
and Togo and Namibia etc.
The misunderstanding stems from confusing unity with uniformity. Most
people seem to think of unity as the same as uniformity, and I tell you if
you do then you have no choice but to reject Afrikan unity. I want to state
here that unity and uniformity are not the same and are not even
contraries, but are contradictory. And I will analyse that.
Uniformity is a concept which holds that everything or everybody should be
one and the same, and no difference is allowed. If we notice the soldiers
they all put on the same uniform, and if you see a major you know he is the
same as that other major.Because of the samenness of soldiers, uniformity
has been therefore interpreted to mean that it can ensure equality and
discipline and control. So because of the fact that soldiers and school
children dress the same we conclude that these groups are disciplined and
equal and can be easily controlled. Now this is a fallacy, because what our
experience have shown today and in fact since ages back soldiers are the
most indisciplined and most priveleged in most societies, and students can
be the most rowdy and rude than any other sector in the society. In fact
what we can conclude is that the discipline that seems to prevail in the
army and school is not because of their uniform, but it is fear of authority
and punishment that force them to behave. And also to win commendation from
superiors. But again we will notice that the discipline is only practised
within the barracks or in the school or where the authorities are present.
We have all been students once, and some soldiers, and you know what am
talking about. School and military does not discipline one. We go to school
and the army after already been tempered by our parents.But that same
misunderstanding about uniformity is what the so-called communists in
X-Soviet Union and China hold as synonymous with socialism and classless
society. For that matter they make everyone dress the same and live in the
same type of house, and have the same type and amount of amenities. They are
seeing human beings as rocks or stars, but even these bodies do have their
various variations. And when we fully scrutinise these countries we see that
it is all fake for the leadership live the most sophisticated capitalist
lifestyle. Meanwhile they force all to see and think the same. Therefore it
should not be strange if these countries become authoritarian dictatorships,
but which unfortunately distorted the true picture of socialism, and of
course with the sabotage of the west, as the most and only true
socio-economic and political system in the world. Similarly also we can
realise that when the slavemaster and the colonialist control us they want
us to see and behave in the same way they propose, and if you see the other
side you are sentenced for subversion and endangering the security of the
state. This is uniformity, and they have to create an education system which
teaches us to see what they want us to see, but we know that is not in our
interest. So folks you can now realise that uniformity is a tool for the
oppressor, and the dictator and the hypocrite. Today some of our leaders use
it, and any dissent of view is seen as dangerous and terroristic. Uniformity
is not progressive, and it denies human beings the ability to expose their
potential, and thereby retarding the progress of society. So as I said
people who see unity in this context are bound to reject Afrikan unity.
Unity is not the same as uniformity. Unity presupposes difference, and it is
that difference or differences that sustain and nourish unity and empower
the uniting parties to achieve what each on his own would not be able to
achieve. There has to be difference first for unity to take place, for the
differences are a source of strength, and creates several avenues for the
uniting parties to utilise and uplift themselves. For example if Sundiata
and Nzinga marry( with all due respect to the dignity and honour of our
Great Ancestors)it clearly shows that they are not the same or uniform. One
is a woman and the other a man. They have to exploit each other's
differences, and by tapping the various characteristics and potentials of
each and giving support to each other's weaknesses, they bring forth
offsprings and build a happy and confortable family. The offsprings are the
manifestation of the combination of their differences. That is why I always
say anything which is the same as itself unites with itself. For that thing
is already self-identical. You unite with something different. You cannot
unite with yourself because you are yourself already, but you unite with
Makeda or with Jomo and get married, but even homosexuals have to unite with
another man, tho' that is not our culture. You also unite with God the
Almighty, and with his guidance and protection, and with your willingness,
responsibility and hardwork you are saved and prosperous. So the first
prerequisite for unity is difference for it is that difference in which lies
the power of that unity. The difference can be at any level or on the
abilities etc etc of the parties concerned. Imagine if we organise a
cultural show in Kinshasha and invite all the ethnic groups or nations of
Afrika to present a troupe, I bet you after each group's performance we will
conclude that that group is the best. Imagine also we organise a beauty and
fashion show of Afrikan beauties and costumes, do you know how much amused
we will be by the array of colours and prints and wonderful faces we will
see. Still imagine we hold a luncheon of Afrikan dishes, do you know how
much our nostrils will be inondated by the aroma of very delicious cuisines.
For those who are not from the region the colonialists marked and we call
Gambia, I will warn you that the moment you taste 'domoda' or 'benachin' or
'churra gerrteh', you will not get near other dishes. Just try to extend
this analogy to the field of science, economics, football, storytelling,
computer, etc etc and we get the best brains of Afrika together, can we
imagine where we will be. This is unity, and it is all about using all the
differences we have. When we talk about unity we do not mean to say that the
Gambia has to fuse into Senegal, or Senegal fuses into Tanzania, and that
one also fuses into Togo; or that unity means the Ewes have to phase out or
incorporate into the Yorubas, and they also incorporate into the mandinkas,
and they also fuse into the Bantus etc etc. This would constitute
uniformity, and it is wrong. In unity we would see the Wollof fighting to
protect the Akan, and the Akan fighting to protect the culture of the Zulu,
and the Zulu fighting to promote the culture of the Haitian etc etc ,
because we have realised that all these nations of Afrika have rich cultures
that are very essential for the development of Afrika. In like manner we
will also realise that the woman will protect the man and the man in turn
protects the woman, and both promoting the child. What I am trying to point
out is to show you that unity is another level of consciousness which when a
being attains does not only protect himself, but she protects her fellow
being, and nature. This is the consciousness I am talking about. They always
say Afrika is a land of diversities, and our enemies and confused Afrikans
promote the abominable idea that therefore unity will be difficult to
achieve. This is wrong and to those people I give them the response of the
Osagyefo to that assertion, that while they highlight our differences and
exagerate them as impediments, they do not tell us the potential these
differences will create if we unite. Imagine our diamond and gold put
together, the copper and bauxite, the grasslands and forests, the waterfalls
and sunshine, all put together for the benefit of our people:
Ewe,Xhosa,Fon,Jamaican,PeurtoRican,Soninke,Mandingo,Galla,Hutu,Tutsi,Matabele,Hausa,Yoruba,Igbo,Bambara,Luo,Kikuyu,Dinka,Mende,Temne,Gullah,Afrikan
in US etc etc. The exposee I drew up about organising a cultural show and
bringing our brains together and the potential we will thus create is what
we are now losing just by remaining disunited. Someone may dismiss this as
utopian or impossible, but that just shows one's level of consciousness, and
it is that anomaly we want to eradicate and raise the understanding of the
masses. Let us unite.
As I pointed out in the beginning there is an idea flowing around that
Gambia should become part of Senegal, or the two unite. I do not know why
this idea came up in the first place other than to say that it all forms
part of the hullabaloo surrounding the issue of unity in these times in our
motherland. But I would like to say to people who hold that idea that any
form of unity between any two Afrikan countries that is not done within the
framework of a final and total unification of the continent is ill-conceived
and couter-productive. In other words if any Afrikan States wish to unite
then that unity should be used as a means to lay the basis for the UNITED
STATES OF AFRIKA! Such a move was made by Nkrumah, Sekou Touray and Modibo
Keita in the 60s in what was called Ghana-Guinea-mali Union. Otherwise,
like I said such a unity will expose us one more time to exploitation by the
West because the legal and diplomatic realities created by colonialism, and
which we still maintain will now be removed, and that means France can
interfere in the Gambia in much the same way as Britain would interfere in
Senegal. But I would like to ask people who hold that idea some questions:
will such a unity provide better living conditions to the citizens more than
the respective countries are now providing?
Will such a unity protect the uniting countries against the exploitation and
power of the West led by the IMF, the World Bank and the UN?
Will such a unity give the citizens the power to control the government and
hold them accountable more than now?
Can such a unity prevent a military coup, and end the Casamance conflict?
Can such a unity protect the lives of the citizens in the US and Europe for
allegedly the same crimes that Americans and Europeans commit in Gambia and
Senegal but go scot-free because of the power of their governments?
Will that unity make the country more powerful than Nigeria, and speak its
mind even as Libya does?
There are many questions we can ask, but all of them would show that such a
unity cannot answer these questions. The only unity which can answer these
questions is the UNITED STATES OF AFRIKA or whatever name you call it.so for
those who hold that idea, I am pleading with you to rethink it, and if it is
not conceived with our minds targetting Afrikan unification then let us drop
it. It is unprogressive and dangerous. Some people do not still believe this
but the independence of any Afrikan country is meaningless if it is not
linked to the total liberation of the Afrikan continent. Nkrumah said this
in 1957 when Ghana became independent, but I would also like to add that
that independence and liberation are also meaningless if not put in the
context of unification, and used as a means to unify Afrika. There is
another idea which speaks of the need to promote regional groupings as a
stepping stone to unity. I am equally opposed to this idea. What regional
groupings have meant to us is that they have alienated us from each other,
and they have also created unnecessary competition between the regions for
favours and admiration from the West. If you notice the crisis in sierra
leone it is seen as a West Afrikan problem thus those in the south or north
do not get invovled and similarly the crisis in the Congo is seen as a
central/eastern problem and we in the west do not participate. If we do it
is only to express hope and a call on the warring parties to exercise
restraint but not to get whole-heartedly involved. Thus what these regional
groupings have shown so far is to delay unity, and in fact it is never an
agenda in their numerous meetings and summits. Even the OAU has greatly
delayed the unification process because it has become a talkshop and a
platform for accusations and counter-accusations, while the West plays its
usual puppeteering role. All these regional groupings have very elaborate
protocols, but they will never implement them since they are all saturated
by sterile and corrupt leaders. But anything that bans or condemns coups is
quickly voted for because to them to entrench oneself in power to the
detriment of the ciizen has become the end and the means at the same time.
The regional groupings have so far proven to be very good back-up support
for these empty-headed leaders.
Now I want to state the reasons for my writings to the Afrikan family.
If you notice it is the 1945 Manchester congress which laid the stage for
the decolonisation of the continent. Twelve years after that congress one of
its secretaries led Ghana, the Black Star to independence. Seven years after
that same congress one of its active participants Jomo Kenyatta led the MAU
MAU Uprising and independence for Kenya.In our little Gambia I.M. Garba
Jahumpa was also active here agitating for West Afrikan unity. But since the
60s lot of things happened which greatly neutralised the Pan-Afrikan spirit
to an extent that an anti pan-Afrikan thesis developed which promotes very
reactionary and confusing ideologies within the Black struggle.The way I
analyse things is this: The OAU was formed by reactionary forces and leaders
who either wanted to protect themselves in power so that they can become
eternal leaders without the fear of revolutionary and progressive
governments and movements remove them by any means necessary to institute a
pan-afrikan government, or thru the OAU the West uses these leaders to
block the unification of the continent. These moves have transformed the OAU
into a platform of coffee-drinking-smiling-leaders who want to just relax.
You just need to read the principles and charter of the organisation and see
either how foolish it is or that some of our leaders then had an ulterior
motive inimical to unity. What happened next in Afrika is the removal of
progressive governments like Ghana, Mali, Congo, Ethiopia under Nkrumah,
Modibo, Lumumba,and The Imperial Majesty, and the several invasions against
Sekou Touray, and the assassinations of several others by unpatriotic sons
of the land in connivance with the West. While these atrocities where taking
place here, in the Afrika of America our leaders are also under attack by
the US police state in an attempt to destroy the Black Power movement. At
the same time black intellectuals have been greatly miseducated to an
extent that we have become the vehicle of Western hegemony on our people as
our professors lecture us in class that our liberation leaders are
dictators, and that slavery was partly committed and promoted by our kings
and chiefs, that we are a third world and the West is the first world and so
our development has to emanate from there, better still some claim that
Pan-Afrikanism is not relevant now. This is the education we received, and
what that ends up creating is the total rejection of Pan-Afrikanism as an
ideal and violent movement and ideology, which calls for a return to
primitive times! What resulted is that Pan-Afrikans were banned even in
Ghana, some of them who are not strong enough got frustrated and gave up the
struggle. With renewed determination abd tactics the West launched yet
another onslaught on our people which the osagyefo described as
neo-colonialism. These new attack came with serious illusions and fringe
benefits, which they throw out to fellow Pan-Afrikanists and eventually
neutralised them. They became big time capitalists or joined the government
which are sponsored by the IMF and the the World bank etc. Pan-Afrikanism is
thus knocked unconscious. But again some of us withdrew, and several of
these people now organise and operate on their own in different and isolated
areas. Thus though the ideology is not dead completely, but it is greatly
stifled and dormant.I am concerned about this reality, and several other
people are also concerned, thus I took the task of writing and it has three
objectives:
1. To first of all awaken or re-awaken the masses of our people, especially
the youths and intellectuals to the ideology of Pan-Afrikanism, and the need
for us to unite.
2. To call on us to connect and make each others' lives our lives and
struggle. We have to understand that our salvation lies in the group or the
community. If we raise the consciousness, and with the numerous groups we
have then I think the next logical step is to connect the groups, so that
those in UCLA know that the group in Howard is their group and struggle, and
those in Howard realise that we in Gambia are part of them, and they are
part of us, and those in Ghana are part of those in Azania, and they are
also part of those in Brixton, and they are also part of those in Sierra
Leone and they are also part of those in Haiti, as well as in Brazil, Congo,
Jamaica, Nigeria, Sudan and Mali etc etc. This way we know about each other
and give support to each other.
3. After raising the consciousness of the people and set the stage for us to
connect, I think then the next logical move again is for us to meet and
talk, and this is why I call for a congress, an international congress and
preferably to be held in Afrika. Now the congress wil also have three
objectives:
Like I said in the beginning the congress will be held in the manner of the
1945 congress, but this time setting the stage for unification.
1. The congress will develop an ideology for us as a people. This is simple.
We are probably the only people who are saturated with God knows how many
ideologies to an extent we do not even have one because all of us seem to be
either contrary or contracdicting each other. And I tell you any people who
make history and progress make it on an ideology. An ideology id essentially
the practical and material reality and vehicle of the ideas, thinking,
experiences and strategies in which a culture is expressed and moves for
those people to attain there objectives. Like I said there are lot of
ideologies, and we are fighting each other for what we believe. This is
destroying us. Some call themselves socialist, and some capitalist but they
are fighting each other for that. Some call themselves muslims, christians,
Afrikanists, and they all seem to tell the other guy you are wrong. At the
same time some call for integration and others are for separation, while
others claim a black supremacy philosophy others are calling for equality of
human beings etc etc. These are confusing and we need to sit down and talk
and create a basis which will be the established agenda for the black man
and woman and the Afrika we want to build.
2. We also need to develop a constitution for Afrika and our various
groups, and this constitution will also define the relationship that will be
set up between our groups, if we do not want to create one big movement.
This is also going to set up a permanent organisation or structure so that
we will avoid the mistake that was created in the past which is the
organisation seems to be in one person, and if the leader is gone the
struggle suffers. We need permanent structures, and not leaders. If you
check when the Nkrumahs and the Martins, and the Malcolms and Bikos were
gone things nearly died, simply because they represent the organisation. We
can at this moment commend the Nation of Islam for maintaining a permanent
structure up to now and I hope they will consolidate it and not allow
Farakhan be the everything, similarly we commend the ANC in Azania which
seems still as strong without Walter Sizulu and Nelson mandela at the top.
But again we would ask these groups to allow more grassroots control apart
from just to mobilise them for a rally or vote. We need organisation, not
leaders. One of our leaders who have correctly seen this reality was Kwame
Touray and he kept on saying it until he died last year.
3. The congress should set up a front. The front is the battleline and the
arms necessary to fight. We have to be ready and we have lot of means to use
in order to achieve the objective: media, youth, intellectuals,workers,
civil disobedience, armed struggle, positive action, music,
religion,insttitutions and students, diplomacy and economics etc etc. We
fully understand that our leaders have just come from Libya talking about
unity. They concluded that next year they will set up a parliament which
will draft a constitution and they will look at it in 2001. Personally I
think that is time consuming, and secondly they could have opened the files
of the OAU and see the beautiful suggestions some of our leaders made about
Afrikan unity and adopt them or make adjustments where necessary, but to
start in this way with so much time is not encouraging.Any way this is not
the time to fight over that for they have already met and decided, but we
the youths especially need to be alert and if they drag their feet we jump
on the scene and do what we have to do. But now we can support them if we
have to, while at the same time preparing ourselves.
This is the reason for my writings, and basically it is to raise and
re-awaken our consciousness, to connect us and to organise for unification
in the manner the 1945 congress organised for decolonisation. Some Afrikans
from the Gambia region said they would like to be in any organising
committee for the congress. That is good, but what I think should be done
now is let us all at our various locations mobilise the people and organise
them into a body, and try to locate other groups around and connect. This
will help ease the problem of organising the congress which as you know is
international and huge. Those in London organise. Those in US schools and
cities organise. Those in Gambia, Ghana, Congo, Japan, India, France,
Sweden, Brazil, Venezuela, Kuwait etc etc organise and as I proposed we need
a website so that we can communicate and know those who have organised and
are now ready to send their delegates anywhere for the congress. We can do
it and we will do it, and it will be successful. God and our Ancestors are
behind us.
Meanwhile I want to inform the family that we in the Gambia region have
organised a symposium last Friday to commemorate the killing of Bantu Steve
Biko by the apartheid South Afrika in 1977.It was great. let us organise.
I am sorry for this long piece but the struggle demands it.
victory is certain!!!!
reminder: THE UNION OF AFRIKAN STATES IS COMING. OUR TIME IS
NOW.ORGANISE!!!!
madi
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EB,
What you dont simply understand is the fact that trying to make a differe=
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This posting contains excerpts from the report of a conference
in Johannesburg in July on "Women in the Aftermath of War and
Armed Conflict." The pre-conference announcement can be found
at:
http://www.wits.ac.za/fac/education/aftermath
The full conference report is available in the web version of
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http://www.africapolicy.org/docs99/aft9909.htm
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Women in the Aftermath of War and Armed Conflict
A Report of a Conference
by Meredeth Turshen
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For additional information on the conference and related
workshops, you may contact Meredeth Turshen, Department of
Urban Studies and Community Health, School of Planning and
Public Policy, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ 08903;
Telephone: 732 932 4101 X681; Fax: 732 932 0934; E-mail:
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The Co-Chairs of the African Women's Anti-War Coalition, which
also met after the conference, are Anu Pillay, University of
the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg ([log in to unmask] or
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The conference on "The Aftermath: Women in Post-war
Reconstruction" was held 20 to 22 July 1999 in Johannesburg,
South Africa. It gathered together 75 activist and academic
participants from 16 African countries and from national and
international nongovernmental organizations as well as United
Nations agencies; guest speakers came from Croatia, Haiti,
South Africa, Sri Lanka, and the United States. Professor
Colin Bundy, Vice-Chancellor and Principal at the University
of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, and Joyce Piliso-Seroke,
Chair of the South African Commission on Gender Equality,
welcomed participants. Yasmin Sooka, a human rights lawyer who
chairs the Human Rights Violations Committee of the South
African Truth and Reconciliation Commission, and Judge Albie
Sachs of South Africa's Constitutional Court delivered keynote
addresses. The Ford Foundation, the International Development
Research Centre (Canada), and the Royal Netherlands Embassy
(in South Africa) funded the conference.
The primary purpose of the conference was to develop a gender
analysis of post-conflict recovery and rebuilding. Gender is
an English word that does not translate well into other
languages. We used it to talk about power relations between
women and men as well as the roles women and men are
socialized to play in family, community, and national life.
Many speakers confirmed that gender roles can shift
dramatically in times of conflict (including armed struggle
and liberation wars) and under authoritarian and fascist
regimes. These shifts often challenge power structures,
especially patriarchal power structures, and they can
destabilize interpersonal relations between women and men and
between generations. ...
Some power shifts in gender relations give women new
opportunities to train, learn skills, and imagine new-more
equal-relations with men as comrades, fighters, and lovers.
Yasmin Sooka, Albie Sachs, and Thandi Modise (Deputy President
of the ANC Women's League) all described ANC comrades as
breaking out of old molds during the anti-apartheid struggles.
Sondra Hale, professor of anthropology and women's studies at
UCLA and a guest speaker, described a near-idyllic world
within the Eritrean People's Liberation Front-so paradoxical
at the heart of armed conflict.
Speakers also talked about women stepping into violent roles
traditionally played by men-women who became accomplices to
rape, murder, and torture. These are not examples of power
shifts, though they may involve changes in gender roles. Women
who participated in the genocide in Rwanda and women who were
instruments of state violence and partisan violence in South
Africa were not changing or challenging the relative power of
women and men. In these situations, women were instruments of
an old order. ...
The speakers raised several questions: why are the positive
gender shifts so fragile? Why in many cases are women's new
economic, social, and political roles unsupported and so
easily denied? Why are their war "gains" reversed in the
aftermath of armed conflict and is the reversal inevitable?
...
Five Thematic Workshops ...
Violence Against Women [see full report]
War as Loss and "Gain" [see full report]
War/postwar Shifts in Gender Relations [see full report]
New Identities of War
The fourth workshop on identity continued the work mapped out
by Martina Belic of Croatia and Lepa Mladjenovic of Serbia.
Sheila Meintjes (University of the Witwatersrand), one of the
South African conference organizers, asked about constructions
of masculine identity in war and peace. The South African
sociologist Jacklyn Cock has shown how women contribute to the
construction of wartime masculinity, even quite traditional
women not overtly engaged in the war effort. Tina Sideris, a
South African psychologist who has worked with women survivors
and victims, especially Mozambican women refugees, asked about
alternate male discourses: can we think beyond conscientious
objection and community service alternatives to military
service? Military structures also imbue the identity of
peacetime services-for example, public health workers may
carry military rank, and some nursing services are violently
hierarchical.
Workshop participants considered a range of issues: gender,
ethnicity, and race; women's solidarity across ethnic and
religious lines; psychosocial and political models of healing;
and the roles in healing of truth and reconciliation
commissions, international tribunals, and national courts.
They concluded that identities are not singular or fixed in
time and space, but multiple, gendered, and contextual. War
decimates men's as well as women's identities, and men may
have fewer alternative empowering identities to draw on (for
example, has recent work on fatherhood provided men with a
positive identity in the way that new thinking about
motherhood has done?). Women's and men's identities are not
defined in binary opposition to each other, nor is women's
empowerment a zero-sum game. We should look at how alternative
identities are created (for example, by examining aspects of
lesbianism).
Context, strategies, and available resources all shape our
understanding of violence as well as our comprehension of the
parts our identity being violated. The group reconsidered the
meaning of violence against women. Understanding violence
against women as private and individualized is a formalistic
response. This is a crucial point for the whole conference,
and it also affects our understanding of feminism. Accepting
that violence is socially and structurally produced and
sustained can result in politically transformative responses.
High levels of violence as in war can hide the effects of
gender violence, which predates war and continues in
peacetime. As Anu Pillay, a South African conference organizer
said, "There is no aftermath for women."
Healing is a multi-dimensional process and needs a
multi-pronged approach. Healing is also anchored in a context,
and approaches developed by one society are not necessarily
appropriate for others. Women are not just victims of war, as
some aspects of their experiences are empowering and can be
used as a resource for healing and transformation. Healing
should not become an additional burden for women: their role
must be recognized as a resource, just as women's resilience
must be acknowledged. Women's roles in the survival and
reconstruction of society should be identified and
documented. We need to empower women's access to different
points of healing and to cultural resources. We should also
plan for future generations because one consequence of war is
that violence leaves scars and shapes the identity of future
generations. War's impact is felt beyond immediate survivors
and can become part of a people's identity (for example, being
Jewish or South African or of a "race"). ...
State-society Relationships
The fifth theme, the relation of state to society in the
aftermath, was tied to one of the main conference objectives,
which was to develop policies and strategies to influence the
process of democratic representation of women's interests in
the aftermath. The South African example, as presented by
Thandi Modise, is exceptional in Africa because a strong state
emerged from the anti-apartheid struggle. More typical is a
weakened state after civil war, or a state with few resources,
or in the case of Somalia, no state at all. What are the
chances of transforming gender relations in state and society
in these varied circumstances?
The participants believed it necessary to ensure the
representation of women and women's organizations in peace
negotiations. They pointed out that women living in exile had
a role to play and a special contribution to make. The group
noted that women's expectations in the aftermath differed
according to their experiences and engagement in the
conflict-for example, some women were combatants or had
sustained male combatants; many were refugees and internally
displaced while others remained in urban or rural areas.
Participants emphasized the importance of post-conflict
demilitarization of society (not just demobilization of
combatants) in establishing a culture of peace, and they
identified constitutional and economic issues as part of
integrating gender into post-war reconstruction strategies and
policy. They considered new legal and service structures such
as legal reform of women's access to land and access to public
health services.
The identification of all stakeholders-internal and external,
public and behind the scenes-and naming what each stands to
gain from peace are necessary if women are to participate
effectively in the peace process. Internal stakeholders
include warring parties; political parties and opposition
groups; combatants (male and female); organs of civil society
(for example, women's groups within refugee camps and
internally displaced persons' camps; traditional groups in
rural and urban areas, including religious communities); black
marketeers; illegal traders in guns, drugs, and prostitutes;
and exiled intellectuals and groups. External stakeholders
include companies and corporations, arms and drugs dealers,
international mafia, and mercenaries. Regional players include
peacekeeping forces and peace brokers, and international
players include UN peacekeepers, the UN Department of
Political Affairs, the Security Council, NATO, OAU, IMF, and
the World Bank. Key countries are (usually) the USA, France,
UK, and members of the European Union. The media (local and
international) may also be stakeholders. ...
The group made the following recommendations: that there be
full participation of civil society at the negotiating table,
that government transparency be ensured, that user friendly
institutions be created, that checks and balances be
instituted, that the efforts of groups like the African
Women's Anti-War Coalition be recognized, that all policy
reflect a gender perspective on all issues (not just women's
issues), that all laws to protect women and children be
respected and enforced, that independent women's organizations
formulate a women's manifesto at country level and present it
to their governments, that there be new mechanisms to train
women leaders, that research and theorizing on gender and the
interrogation of ideologies of gender be encouraged, and that
women be encouraged to find governmental allies (women in
government and women in civil society).
The following demands were made to governments (North and
South): end conflict; exhibit utmost transparency; enforce all
laws that protect women and children and establish relevant
statutory structures for monitoring and protecting their
rights; recognize the efforts of organizations of civil
society such as the African Women's Anti-War Coalition (which
should have observer status or some representation); reiterate
AWAC's Dakar recommendations; and take responsibility for
reconstruction.
Additional demands were addressed to international agencies
and northern industrial governments: acknowledge your role in
conflict; compensate war victims; prevent new conflicts; find
mechanisms to implement and evaluate implementation of
gender-specific guidelines and policies; give a gender
perspective to the work of early warning monitoring
organizations; and identify allies abroad to lobby on behalf
of women at the national level (for example when
representatives from their countries pay diplomatic visits-or
other way around).
For the organizations of civil society working with
governments, the group recommended that they focus on the work
of reparation, justice, social reconstruction, and the
prevention of renewed conflict. A specific recommendation was
made regarding funding: that funding be sought to enable AWAC
to insert itself in the dialogue to end specific crises such
as the current one in Congo-Kinshasa.
Regional Workshops
On the last day of the conference, three regional workshops
were convened covering southern Africa, western Africa, and a
combined group for eastern and central Africa. Their purpose
was to create regional networks that could map the way
forward. The need for regional solutions to problems of the
aftermath is directly tied to the ways war and armed conflict
have developed and spread throughout the continent. Conflicts
are clustered and spill over into neighboring countries. Arms
and combatants move from one country to another. Even
liberation movements are supplied by criminals trafficking
arms and drugs-and of course sex, or rather women. ...
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Hello Managers,
Could you please subscribe MR. Lamin Jammeh. His e-mail address is
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EB,
I did send a reply earlier of which I am sure if it comes through.But wha=
t I
just wanted to say is that people who are interested in marking a differe=
nce
in the life of people would not take any liberty in suppressing people wi=
th
with different opinions with all the means at their disposal.EB I will ne=
ver
give my support to people who have no interest in national development bu=
t
travel all over the world,including organizing dinners when the RVH does =
not
even have an X-Ray machine and now they have to barrow a small machine fr=
om
Bansang hospital whiles people for go for weeks with pain and all that it=
contains.EB I have a conscience,not only as a Gambian but as a human
being,here lies perhaps the big difference.
For Freedom
Saiks
Ousman,
I do agree with you, and I am sure, you know I'm not the type. Since I
joined the List, never had a problem with no one and never anticipating o=
ne.
I might have added some advice or tried to put a point across. I never m=
eant
to disrespect or hurt anyone. If I do, well, I apologize and hope this w=
ill
bring an end to any heart-feelings.
Once again, I love you all, and hope we'll do something for the better Ga=
mbia
and STOP the Smearing of the People trying to make a difference back home=
=2E
They do need our support at all means necessary.
Until then, you all take care and watch out.
EB.
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This one is dedicated to all those living far away from home, with a heart for
home and longing to see our people free; those struggling to come out of our
common dilemma and those in search of knowledge to put to the service of our
people
The river
Oh mama
It cannot be long from now
Before we step into your ocean of warmth
Been roaming and raving
Yes sometimes raging and ravaging
Look at those worn out shoes
See this hair style
As if the devils spent a whole day
Wrestling on my head
Rivers flow
Collecting mass from the source
Picking up debris
Depositing sediments
Scratching the roughness
Of their soles and the air above
Sucking in air
To provide for life
Throwing particles in all directions
Blurring the vision
As if to confuse the mind
Yet simply performing
In a truly natural process
Draining the swollen wounds
Of this wonderful earth
Swelling to refill the empty spaces
Left behind by the tropical heat
Meandering with beauty
Brushing through forests and meadows
Providing water for the women
As they do their laundry on the river side
Singing songs of freedom
Longing for that day
When their children will come back
To bath in the river
Their laughter cracking in the air
To heal their aching souls
Into the belly of the ocean
The river empties its content
Earth goes back to earth
Water flows back to water
Oh mama
I feel your warmth
Let our hearts fuse together
Our efforts are now joined
Together we will be free
Alpha Robinson
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Brother Kabir
You never said I went to the dinner . It was a local person who was told so and he told someone else and the rest was kankan.
YOU NEVER said that . nor did I say you said so.
any how it is behind me now
Thanks and have a nice evening
Habib
Amadu Kabir Njie wrote:
> There you go again! Who said you were at any dinner? The crux of my exchange was, at least from my point of view, that it is wrong to accept such money, let alone solicit it! This point is more pertinent especially when you claim that the purpose is for 'zakat'. However much you try to twist that you won't succeed.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kabir
>
> Habib Ghanim, Sr <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
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> > Thank you very much brother Ousman,
> >
> > I agree with you wholeheartedly. I apologized to all on the G-L and hope we put
> > this chapter behind us after this unnecessary ordeal.
> > I have a lot of respect for sisters Ndey , Ida, Soffie, Jabou & brothers Modou,
> > Ebrima, Baboucar Sillah -even Saiks & Kabir until recently) . What happened was
> > a plain misunderstanding taken out of context. Yes I admit , I was invited to the
> > reception on Saturday but due to a pre planned annual dinner function at our
> > center I could not attend and out of courtesy I also extended an invitation to
> > the Embassy ( nb- other Embassies were also invited and attended too -fyi) I did
> > mention that it was not a debate so there will be no Q & A 's.. I was at the
> > dinner all night with Dr Sulayman Nyang and Pap Jobe and about 350 others from 7
> > to 11 pm . Yet rumors were that I attended the reception. (completely unfounded
> > and untrue) Dr Nyang can vouch for that. False rumors commonly known as "Gheebah"
> > can cause "fitnah" so such remarks should be verified before they are spread.( I
> > would have attended if I did not have a previous engagement -for peace's sake)
> > secondly , my own brother Raif Diab was arrested and detained for over a month
> > before he was released without explanations. Thank god all ended well. . I gave
> > this example to clear the air and set the record straight and stop the false
> > rumors. I have always in the past and present contributed positively in the
> > Gambia and here in my humble opinion based on our religion which I strongly
> > believe that is part of the solution to the continent's problems if followed
> > correctly.
> > I bear no grudges for Jammeh , Kabir or anyone who may have been involved in the
> > recent character attacks and thank EB Jarju, CeedyKhan, and many others who sent
> > me personal emails for their support.
> > Yes to the Coalition for a better Gambia , Africa and world is my goal with
> > Allah's guidance (The Holy Quran) and help. Yes, Ousman, your contribution is
> > needed I am willing to forgive and forget. Let us all start with a clean slate.
> > Thank you.
> > Wasalaam
> > Habib Diab Ghanim
> >
> >
> > Ousman Manjang wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Brother:
> > > Thank you for your wonderful thoughts for I personally felt very disappointed
> > > for coming across such personal attacks. Knowing most of the guys involved in
> > > this exchange of words, I was constantly asking myself if they really know
> > > what they are engaged in. Please tell me if this do make any sense at all.
> > > Realizing that we all come from The tiny Gambia. These are the plain, simple
> > > and basic facts delaying all the collective progresses we all be always
> > > talking about. Tell me if I may be wrong. I am a person who always welcome
> > > criticisms especially if it will help to bring something fruitful that all
> > > will benefit from.
> > > May I appeal to all to refrain from such acts for I think we do have a lot
> > > more important issues to be our prime concern? With the same token, I will
> > > commend those sharing their beautiful articles. We need to remember that it
> > > is not only Gambians view these mails.
> > > Fellow Gambia's, let us realize where we are from. As some have said earlier,
> > > past experiences should teach us to work hard for a brighter future and a
> > > better Gambia. Once again, brothers Habib, Kabir, EB jarju, Seedy Saidykhan
> > > etc. and sisters Ndey, Ida and the rest, I am appealing to all to come forth
> > > with some ideas on how we can form some kind of Gambian Collation within the
> > > US to begin with whereas we can successfully put something together that will
> > > benefit the development of that beautiful tiny Gambia. Let us remember that
> > > in order to drive this to success, we do not bring in any politics. If we do,
> > > it will be a waste of time.
> > > Please let me know at any time you think my contribution is needed. Thank you
> > > all and keep up with the good job.
> > > God bless you all, The Gambia and the Gambian people wherever they may be.
> > > Ousman
> > >
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