Jabou and Banna, I do agree with you and I believe that no one here will disagree that ID arevery important and some of the reason are already given by Banna. My only problem is most of the incidents i witnessed on police demanding of ID cards were more of harassment and itimidation than for security reasons. Personally, I was asked for my ID and then I give in my passport and the guy said "don't you have an ID". I said to him just give me my passport in peace because i don't understand what kind of ID you want. Off course it did not stop there but i just asked my self how many innocent people have to go through this.The worse is on your way to the Provonces ,when i was on my way to the provinces people without ID cards are asked to get off the bus. The issue of ID cards for whatever reason is becoming an aparthied style of ruling. Today my mum was telling me that i think when you come home you should get this ID card because i don't want you to start getting into trouble with these people. I told her that I have my Passport she said that does not matter anymore. Well, I will get to prove that when i get home I also, believe that the officers at check points need more training as to how to deal with the people. They seems to be as confused as the government, sometimes they just don't differentiate between a Passport and National Identity Card or they are just playing their usual corrupt games. The Struggle Continues!!! Ndey Jobarteh The Struggle Continues!!! Ndey Jobarteh [log in to unmask] wrote: Mr Banna, This is well said.Given the record of this present administration, one cannot help but wonder what the real motive behind this ID card fiasco is. If the only reason behind it is to check illigal immigrants, then it could have been just a simple matter of utilizing the media to inform the general population the reason behind it, as well as directing them to take some form of proof of citizenship to their nearest police station to have an ID card issued for a nominal fee.The whole affair reeks of apartheid era South Africa, where you had to have a pass or else. Jabou Joh In a message dated 10/26/99 10:27:12 AM Central Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << I think the possession of any form of ID would be primarily to the holder's advantage. People die in road accidents or in civil violence such as during the 1981 abortive coup and they may end up in the morgue waiting for identification. To this day some families in The Gambia don't have a clue as to how their loved ones "disappeared" on the fateful days of July 30th-31st, 1981. Most of them ended up in mass graves! Some form of ID does help, indeed, albeit not at the cost of a beating or "monkey-dance". However, when the ID card becomes a tool for the harassment, intimidation, and humiliation of innocent people its whole purpose is negated and the very acquisition of one becomes a distasteful process. On countless occasions during and after the Jawara government I witnessed the persistent questioning of all light-skinned looking people to produce ID cards while on cross-country public transportation, assuming that all such people are Fulanis and all Fulanis are Guineans. On one such occasion, a friend of mine who was a Staff Sergeant in the then Gendarmerie nearly got pulled off a public bus going up-country because he was light-skinned. Addressing him in somewhat broken pulaar in a not so polite manner, the police officer asked him to produce his ID. Imagine the look on the face of the officer's when my friend tendered his gendarme ID and spoke to him in Mandinka, for he is a Mandinka. The greatest twist to this incident is that the officer did not ask our other friend sitting next to the gendarme for any ID, yet he was the Fulani. Perhaps because he was of a dark complexion. We were quite sure that there were other West African nationals in the bus, but who for a discriminatory reason were not paraded off the bus like the poor Guinean Fulanis. Recently, The Independent carried the story of a certain Muktarr Jallow, who got seriously beaten by Immigration officers in Talingding. They had suspected him of being a foreigner due to his Fulani traits and stopped him as he was passing by their office to ask for his ID. They disputed that the ID he produced for them was not authentic and set upon beating him regardless of the fact that he was born in Talingding. Most African governments are notorious for using such ploys to intimidate political or ethnic minorities as is the present case of former IMF deputy GM, Allasan Drame Outtara in Cote Ivoire. We also know that ruling parties in Africa give IDs to nationalities from neighbouring countries specifically to boost up their electoral votes. The APRC government should treat people with respect, for respect is nothing if it is not mutual. The arbitrary detention and humiliation of people regardless of their political affiliation, ethnic origin or nationality go against the grain of basic human respect. _ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------