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Ndey,
Thanks for fowarding the above article to the L-. I said earlier on that I
doubt if there was any medical practitioner who was going to say what Mr.
Fatty alleged. Therefore, I am not suprised that a Dr. Maritte Dieng does not
even exists. I am sure if he asked to show the tape, he would not. Because
you know what, it does not exists.
I personally do not know this Mr. fatty, but his education is questionable.
Such people are very dangerous to any community. If there is anyone on this
L- who knows him, I would appreciate it if they could tell us about his
Islamic religious education and not Arabic. A lot of so called Islamic
scholars in the Gambia went to Arabic school and are very fluet in the
language, but only a number of them did study Islam. Infact even Banding
Drammeh, the president of the Gambia Islamic Council is allegedly only an
Arabic scholar.
Ousman Bojang.
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Dear Mr.Bojang,
Assalamu alaikum.
Imam Fatty is a graduate of the Islamic University of Madinah. He also
obtained a Masters degree in Islamic Dawah (Propagation)in Mecca.Although
you may not subscribe to his ideas, he is a true Islamic scholar by all
standards.There is no need to question some one's education just because we
do not share the same opinion with them on national issues. Why not question
Imam Baba Leigh's education? On what criteria was he appointed as GAMCOTRAP
adviser? His education? I doubt it. Ustaz Banding Drammeh is a renown West
African Islamic scholar by all standards.Please don't be confused between
Arabic and Islamic. They are experts in their fields.
Wassalam.
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>Ndey,
>Thanks for fowarding the above article to the L-. I said earlier on that I
>doubt if there was any medical practitioner who was going to say what Mr.
>Fatty alleged. Therefore, I am not suprised that a Dr. Maritte Dieng does
>not
>even exists. I am sure if he asked to show the tape, he would not. Because
>you know what, it does not exists.
>I personally do not know this Mr. fatty, but his education is questionable.
>Such people are very dangerous to any community. If there is anyone on this
>L- who knows him, I would appreciate it if they could tell us about his
>Islamic religious education and not Arabic. A lot of so called Islamic
>scholars in the Gambia went to Arabic school and are very fluet in the
>language, but only a number of them did study Islam. Infact even Banding
>Drammeh, the president of the Gambia Islamic Council is allegedly only an
>Arabic scholar.
>
>
>Ousman Bojang.
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Well said Musa.
Jabou Joh
In a message dated 11/5/99 8:31:18 PM Central Standard Time,
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The difference between a successful leader and a great leader is dictated by
timing, political climate and relevancy. Nkrumah is still regarded as one of
the few Great ASfrican leaders because of his participation in the
propagation of self rule when the idea was not popular. Another Great African
leader, Mandela is still seen as one of the Greatest world leaders, and this
is clearly dictated by his bold political stand against apart-heid at a time
when it was both dangerous and suicidal. Clearly, relevancy, ie ending
apart-heid and bringing majority rule to South Africa contributed to earning
Mandela respect in the world community.
Maybe, I am overlooking other successful African leaders, but it is evident
that to call them great would be seen as a hyperbole. Corrupt, incompetent,
failed and dishonest leaders would be the umbrella that most African leaders
would find themselves.
To the Gambia, heading to the dawn of the new mellinium; after our present
generation witnessed the overthrown of a corrupt and ineffective Jawara
leadership, and still find ourselves in what most characterize as an
extension of the Jawara regime with a flagrant disregard to personal freedom,
the new century could be the turning point. The year 2201 is election year in
the Gambia and this can pose an opportunity for President Jammeh to take a
bold move and shake-up the political landscape that would lead to a much more
democratic Gambia, one Gambia, one destiny.
A. Open up the political system and lift the ban on all political parties
including the PPP; also lift the ban on all ex-politicians and put the power
in the hands of the Gambian people. After Gambia's experience with a regime
different from Jawara, it would be fair to give them the opportunity to make
a choice. If Serekunda East wants O. Jallow to represent them, they should
have that option; if the people of Kiang wants to vote for Jawara as
President , they should be surely given that option. It is not about setting
the clock back, but rather give the people the right to choose.
President Jammeh, certain political moves can be very risky, politically
expensive, but that is what differentiate a great leader from a failed
leadership. The question is not what works for Jammeh and his political
survival, but your honest contribution to our quest to descent shelter,
access to food, and a liberated society.
It takes boldness to become a great leader !
Musa Jeng
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If this gesture was done from the heart, and not another propanganda scheme,
then it clearly deserves commendation. However, the question still remains,
how many Gambian students and families find themselves in the same impossible
situation as miss Bah and her mother, and what is the reason for this
endless suffering? Mis-management of state funds that have plagued us for
years, as well as an inability by our governments to manage the country in a
competent enough way to bolster our economy, so that families can find
gainful employment to take care of their families and pay for their
children's education. These things are not supposed to be luxuries, but
essentials of daily life.If the President wants to do an even more
honourable gesture, perhaps he should give a sum that will take care of all
the needy students in the country, or better yet, come up with a plan that
will revamp our economy, and set our country on the right path, both
politically and economically . Then, everything else will fall into place
as it should. The question though remains, is the President independently
wealthy, or is it the funds from the state coffers that are being used to
demonstrate to the Gambian people how generous he can be?
Jabou Joh
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<< All,
Even though I have my reservations about the genuineness of this gesture
because of the publicity involved, I truly believe that Jammeh has set a
great example here that needs to be emulated by many.
Stooges can be very generous sometimes -:)
Read on........
President Jammeh calls Observer
helps needy Ndey
Tuesday, at 4.30pm, the Daily Observer editor, Sheriff Bojang,
answered a ringing phone.The caller said, "I saw a page three story in your
paper today about a girl, a student, who needs help to continue her
education. Can you tell her to... do you know who iscalling?", the caller
asked.
"I guess it must be the president," the editor replied (bemused
at the thought that any Gambian could fail to identify the voice of the
caller)."Could you tell the girl to come to State House tomorrow and go to
the Chief of Protocol directly?""Yes, sir," replied Mr Bojang.
Ndey Bah, 18, a student of Nusrat Senior Secondary School, was
traced to her Serrekunda home and informed about the president's desire to
meet her.Accompanied by her poor mother and our reporter, Lamin Jatta, they
met the president in his office Wednesday afternoon.
President Jammeh censured Ndey's mother, Mariama Jobe, for
keeping silent all along while Ndey's education was being jeopardised."You
should not feel shy (to ask for help) when your child's education stands at
the brink of spoiling," President Jammeh noted.
The president gave D5,000 cash for Ndey's educational expenses
for the 1999/2000 academic year and said he would sponsor Ndey's education
henceforth.He finally urged Ndey to take her education seriously and advised
the mother that they can only spend the money on other needs if they had paid
for all school
expenses. Speaking to our reporter after meeting President
Jammeh, Ndey's mother said she was overwhelmed with President Jammeh's
kindness. She described himas "a saviour."Ndey Bah also expressed gratitude
to the president and promised that she would not let him down in her academic
efforts.
The event was witnessed by the director of press and public
relations at State House, Fatoumata Jahumpa Ceesay.
Abdoulie A. Jallow
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Mose,
I'm in D.C the phone number is 301 890-6841 are you coming to the wedding if
not send me my 'ndolli" say hi to Oumie and the kids
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> Fail Leader
>Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:30:43 EST
>
>The difference between a successful leader and a great leader is dictated
>by
>timing, political climate and relevancy. Nkrumah is still regarded as one
>of
>the few Great ASfrican leaders because of his participation in the
>propagation of self rule when the idea was not popular. Another Great
>African
>leader, Mandela is still seen as one of the Greatest world leaders, and
>this
>is clearly dictated by his bold political stand against apart-heid at a
>time
>when it was both dangerous and suicidal. Clearly, relevancy, ie ending
>apart-heid and bringing majority rule to South Africa contributed to
>earning
>Mandela respect in the world community.
>Maybe, I am overlooking other successful African leaders, but it is evident
>that to call them great would be seen as a hyperbole. Corrupt, incompetent,
>failed and dishonest leaders would be the umbrella that most African
>leaders
>would find themselves.
>
>To the Gambia, heading to the dawn of the new mellinium; after our present
>generation witnessed the overthrown of a corrupt and ineffective Jawara
>leadership, and still find ourselves in what most characterize as an
>extension of the Jawara regime with a flagrant disregard to personal
>freedom,
>the new century could be the turning point. The year 2201 is election year
>in
>the Gambia and this can pose an opportunity for President Jammeh to take a
>bold move and shake-up the political landscape that would lead to a much
>more
>democratic Gambia, one Gambia, one destiny.
>A. Open up the political system and lift the ban on all political parties
>including the PPP; also lift the ban on all ex-politicians and put the
>power
>in the hands of the Gambian people. After Gambia's experience with a regime
>different from Jawara, it would be fair to give them the opportunity to
>make
>a choice. If Serekunda East wants O. Jallow to represent them, they should
>have that option; if the people of Kiang wants to vote for Jawara as
>President , they should be surely given that option. It is not about
>setting
>the clock back, but rather give the people the right to choose.
>
>President Jammeh, certain political moves can be very risky, politically
>expensive, but that is what differentiate a great leader from a failed
>leadership. The question is not what works for Jammeh and his political
>survival, but your honest contribution to our quest to descent shelter,
>access to food, and a liberated society.
>
>It takes boldness to become a great leader !
>
>Musa Jeng
>
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Hi g-lers,
kindly disregard previous mail.
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>Subject: President Jammeh's choices: A Great Leader, succesful Leader,
> Fail Leader
>Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:30:43 EST
>
>The difference between a successful leader and a great leader is dictated
>by
>timing, political climate and relevancy. Nkrumah is still regarded as one
>of
>the few Great ASfrican leaders because of his participation in the
>propagation of self rule when the idea was not popular. Another Great
>African
>leader, Mandela is still seen as one of the Greatest world leaders, and
>this
>is clearly dictated by his bold political stand against apart-heid at a
>time
>when it was both dangerous and suicidal. Clearly, relevancy, ie ending
>apart-heid and bringing majority rule to South Africa contributed to
>earning
>Mandela respect in the world community.
>Maybe, I am overlooking other successful African leaders, but it is evident
>that to call them great would be seen as a hyperbole. Corrupt, incompetent,
>failed and dishonest leaders would be the umbrella that most African
>leaders
>would find themselves.
>
>To the Gambia, heading to the dawn of the new mellinium; after our present
>generation witnessed the overthrown of a corrupt and ineffective Jawara
>leadership, and still find ourselves in what most characterize as an
>extension of the Jawara regime with a flagrant disregard to personal
>freedom,
>the new century could be the turning point. The year 2201 is election year
>in
>the Gambia and this can pose an opportunity for President Jammeh to take a
>bold move and shake-up the political landscape that would lead to a much
>more
>democratic Gambia, one Gambia, one destiny.
>A. Open up the political system and lift the ban on all political parties
>including the PPP; also lift the ban on all ex-politicians and put the
>power
>in the hands of the Gambian people. After Gambia's experience with a regime
>different from Jawara, it would be fair to give them the opportunity to
>make
>a choice. If Serekunda East wants O. Jallow to represent them, they should
>have that option; if the people of Kiang wants to vote for Jawara as
>President , they should be surely given that option. It is not about
>setting
>the clock back, but rather give the people the right to choose.
>
>President Jammeh, certain political moves can be very risky, politically
>expensive, but that is what differentiate a great leader from a failed
>leadership. The question is not what works for Jammeh and his political
>survival, but your honest contribution to our quest to descent shelter,
>access to food, and a liberated society.
>
>It takes boldness to become a great leader !
>
>Musa Jeng
>
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:49:39 GMT
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Jabou,
That's exactly what I thought when I red the article. What Jammeh did is
good, but it would be even better if he could table a coherent or
disciplined economic policy that would create jobs for Gambians so that
families can send their children to school in dignity. Undoubtedly, there
are tens of thousands of Gambians like the little girl's family who find
themselves in the same predicament annually. So, instead of the president
chastizing the mother for not speaking up earlier about her daughter strikes
me as typical Jammeh bs: idiotic, egoistic, and totally hypocritical. Why?
1. He's acting as if the mother's silence almost deprived the daughter of an
education. Who said she did not appeal to family and neighbors? Knowing the
economic conditions back home, it's little wonder that no one can help.
2. By turning the whole issue into a circus, he continues to perpetuate the
fake "benign Mansa/Lord looking after his flock" image of himself. True
philantropists avoid any publicity of their deeds.
3. It's totally hypocritical, because Yaya is acting as if this is an
isolated case. It's not, and never has been. The Gambia, at the best of
times, has had inumerable people like this family. What the country needs is
a Julius Nyerere (a leader who understands the poverty of his people and
lives like ordinary folks.) We don't need one who has grown filthy rich (at
the expense of the people!) in five years, while his people continue a
perillous slide into an abyss of abject poverty.
Therefore, to try to project this "Good Samaritan" image, when what the
people need are jobs, or at least a president who understands their poverty
and behaves sensitively to that, is a shame. The whole thing is a charade!
Even as I write this today, Yaya is killing 41 bulls and throwing a party at
what used to be McCarthy Square according to reliable sources. This, while
many of the few employed people are being laid off in the Hotel industry,
and the Education sector, just to mention two. How can anyone in their right
mind support such a hypocrite?
Saul.
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>Subject: Re: A wonderful gesture
>Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 08:52:02 EST
>
>If this gesture was done from the heart, and not another propanganda
>scheme,
>then it clearly deserves commendation. However, the question still remains,
>how many Gambian students and families find themselves in the same
>impossible
>situation as miss Bah and her mother, and what is the reason for this
>endless suffering? Mis-management of state funds that have plagued us
>for
>years, as well as an inability by our governments to manage the country in
>a
>competent enough way to bolster our economy, so that families can find
>gainful employment to take care of their families and pay for their
>children's education. These things are not supposed to be luxuries, but
>essentials of daily life.If the President wants to do an even more
>honourable gesture, perhaps he should give a sum that will take care of all
>the needy students in the country, or better yet, come up with a plan
>that
>will revamp our economy, and set our country on the right path, both
>politically and economically . Then, everything else will fall into place
>as it should. The question though remains, is the President independently
>wealthy, or is it the funds from the state coffers that are being used
>to
> demonstrate to the Gambian people how generous he can be?
>
>Jabou Joh
>
>
>In a message dated 11/5/99 10:36:32 PM Central Standard Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
><< All,
> Even though I have my reservations about the genuineness of this
>gesture
>because of the publicity involved, I truly believe that Jammeh has set a
>great example here that needs to be emulated by many.
> Stooges can be very generous sometimes -:)
> Read on........
>
>
>
>
> President Jammeh calls Observer
> helps needy Ndey
>
>
> Tuesday, at 4.30pm, the Daily Observer editor, Sheriff
>Bojang,
>answered a ringing phone.The caller said, "I saw a page three story in your
>paper today about a girl, a student, who needs help to continue her
>education. Can you tell her to... do you know who iscalling?", the caller
>asked.
>
> "I guess it must be the president," the editor replied
>(bemused
>at the thought that any Gambian could fail to identify the voice of the
>caller)."Could you tell the girl to come to State House tomorrow and go to
>the Chief of Protocol directly?""Yes, sir," replied Mr Bojang.
>
> Ndey Bah, 18, a student of Nusrat Senior Secondary School,
>was
>traced to her Serrekunda home and informed about the president's desire to
>meet her.Accompanied by her poor mother and our reporter, Lamin Jatta, they
>met the president in his office Wednesday afternoon.
>
> President Jammeh censured Ndey's mother, Mariama Jobe, for
>keeping silent all along while Ndey's education was being jeopardised."You
>should not feel shy (to ask for help) when your child's education stands at
>the brink of spoiling," President Jammeh noted.
>
> The president gave D5,000 cash for Ndey's educational
>expenses
>for the 1999/2000 academic year and said he would sponsor Ndey's education
>henceforth.He finally urged Ndey to take her education seriously and
>advised
>the mother that they can only spend the money on other needs if they had
>paid
>for all school
>
> expenses. Speaking to our reporter after meeting President
>Jammeh, Ndey's mother said she was overwhelmed with President Jammeh's
>kindness. She described himas "a saviour."Ndey Bah also expressed gratitude
>to the president and promised that she would not let him down in her
>academic
>efforts.
>
> The event was witnessed by the director of press and public
>relations at State House, Fatoumata Jahumpa Ceesay.
>
>
> Abdoulie A. Jallow
>
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Mr. Sankarreh,
Thanks for that news. I did not asked for his educational background just
because I did not agree with his thoughts. I questioned his Islamic knowledge
because he put himself to the test. I am sure I would not questioned yours or
any body else's until they try to teach us what Islam said. Would you let
someone drive you if you doubt whether they are even licensed? Again, you
might but I would not.
On Mr. Banding Drammeh, those who know him very well dispute that he is an
Islamic scholar. I know him personally and his actions since he started the
Institution in Brikama pronounced differently. And that is why I said he is
alleged not to be.
On Mr. Baba Leigh, I do not even know what GAMCOTRAP is or what it stands
for. I happen know that he was a very descent and honest guy I worked with at
Kotu Power Station. I even thought he did Electrical Engineering just in an
Arabic country. It would be news to me if he is an Islamic/Arabic scholar.
Again I knew a little about him too.
However, you seems to know all these people a lot. And again, I just
questioned the guys education to know how much knowledge he does in fact
might have in Islam. Of course I am also aware of the fact that graduating
form one of the best colleges/Universities does mean nothing. It all depends
on the individual. Don't you think so?
I thank you.
Ousman Bojang.
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Gambia-L,
Could Mr Saidy, the Ex-Ambassador to the US, clarify if he was part of
the recently exposed scandal at the various missions.
Look forward to your response in the name of transparency and
accountability!!!!!!!!
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Madiba, thank you for forwarding the rejoinder by Halifa Sallah to
our piece on Julius Nyerere. Could you please post this response on the
Gambian net?
Thank you.
George Ayittey,
Washington, DC
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RESPONSE TO HALIFA SALLAH ON "THE BURIAL OF JULIUS NYERERE"
I was saddened to read Mr. Sallah's article on Nyerere, which was a respons=
e
to a piece I wrote with a Tanzanian, Ludovick Shirima, that was published i=
n
The Wall Street Journal (Europe) on October 20.
Mr. Sallah's article reflects a peculiar type of mentality that afflicts ma=
ny
African intellectuals. I have called this "intellectual astigmatism." And i=
t
is this disease which has aided and abetted the ruination of Africa. The
despots and dictators of Africa certainly could not have reduced Africa to =
a
mess WITHOUT the help, collaboration and servile prostitution of African
INTELLECTUALS.
Some of these intellectuals, like Mr. Sallah, are still wedded to OBSOLETE,
colonial-era paradigms and models. To them, virtually ALL of Africa's probl=
ems
have been caused by Western colonialism, imperialism, the World Bank, IMF a=
nd
other EXTERNAL factors. Therefore, African leaders can do NO wrong --
especially those who won independence for their respective countries.
No African would deny that the first generation of leaders strove gallantly
and endured personal hardships to win independence from colonial rule. They
were hailed as heroes by their people and the international community. We m=
ade
this point in our piece. BUT in country after country, these leaders procee=
ded
to establish brutal regime, violated the civil rights of their own people a=
nd
looted their economies. Nyerere was an exception, which we also said in our
article. To continue to make excuses for the failures of these leaders is t=
he
epitome of intellectual astigmatism. Black African leaders can do no wrong;
only white colonialists and imperialists. This kind of intellectualism is a
disgrace to Africa. Even children no longer buy this.
Please read below the letter which was found on the bodies of two teenage
Guinean boys Yaguine Koita, 14, and Fode Tourakara, 15, who sneaked into
the landing gear of a Sabina airliner, on a flight from Conakry, (Guinea)
to Brussels. They died on August 2, 1999, unable to survive temperatures
of 55 degrees below zero in an unpressurized compartment at 30,000 feet of
altitude.
A PLEA FOR AFRICA
Exellencies, gentlemen, and responsible citizens of Europe:
It is our great hope and privilege to write to you about our trip and the
suffering of the children and youth in Africa. We offer you our most
affectionate and respectful salutations. In return, be our support and our
help.
We beseech you on behalf of your love for your continent, your people, your
families, and above all your children, who you cherish more than life itsel=
f.
And for the love of God, who has granted you all the experience, wealth, an=
d
power to ably construct and organize your continent. We call upon your
graciousness and solidarity to help us in Africa. Our problems are many: wa=
r,
sickness, hunger, lack of education, and children=92s rights. We lack right=
s as
children. We have schools, but we lack education. . . . We want to study, a=
nd
we ask that you help us to become like you.
We beseech you to excuse us for daring to write this letter to you, importa=
nt
people whom we truly respect. It is to you, and to you only, that we can pl=
ead
our case.
And if you find that we have sacrificed our lives, it is because we suffer
enormously in Africa. We need your help in our struggle against poverty and
war.
Be mindful of us in Africa. There is no one else for us to turn to.
Printed in Harper=92s Magazine, Nov 1999; p.22). It was also printed by mos=
t
newspapers in Belgium, France, Britain and elsewhere in Europe.
*************
I hope Mr. Sallah would learn a thing or two from their letter. May they re=
st
in peace.
George Ayittey,
Washington, DC
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Rage and fury
Michael Kinsley, editor of the online magazine SLATE, once defined a
political gaffe as anytime someone tells the truth. Kinsley's perverse logic
could be found in Halifa's recent long-winded reply to the article on
Nyerere's legacy by George B.N Ayittey, a Ghanaian and Associate Economics
Professor at the American University,Washington, DC, and Ludovick Shirima, a
Tanzanian and Research Assistant at the Free Trade Africa Foundation,
Washington, DC.
Like a flash of lightening skirting out of thunderous clouds,Halifa's
reaction can be fast and furious. He was evidently miffed at the tone and
contents of the article, not its refutability. Yes, because Halifa could not
pinpoint any falsehood, lies, inaccuracies in the article(we shall come back
to this later). He simply let his dogmatism be an iron hand that throttled
his objectivity. Kinsley's logic helps here: just an iota of acerbic truth
about Halifa Sallah, or his political party, or the ideology it peddles, or
iconoclastic African leaders, is enough to send Halifa to the fringes of
hysteria and bitternesss. His emotionalism becomes a needle that stitches
the contours of his intransigent idealism with an absence of fairly-rounded
scrutiny.
And for a reason. Halifa is a Pan-Africanist. Or so he sounds to be. Small
wonder, then, he could be as reactive as shallow in his responses to
anything critical of the Nkrumahs, Nyereres, Lumumbas and the Toures. Take,
for instance, how Halifa contextualised President Bill Clinton's trip to
Ghana earlier this year. Clinton was welcomed by hundreds of thousands of
Ghanaians, a massive gathering billed to be the first of its kind the US
president had ever seen in his rallies.
A CNN tv footage showed a perspiring Clinton, amidst a large crowd of
Ghanaians, helplessly urging his spectators to withdraw back from their
close proximity to him. A phalanx of security agents couldn't control the
ecstatic Ghanaians. They kept marching towards the president and Clinton
repeatedly urged his spectators to move back.
That was enough to stoke the fire of Halifa's Pan-Africanist zealotry. He
went bonkers! And he contrasted Clinton's attitude with that of the former
Guinean leader Sekou Toure, during a visit to Banjul. Halifa rhapsodized on
Toure's eagerness and willingness to shake hands with people in Banjul. But
Sekou Toure visting Banjul? Shaking hands with the people? What's the
significance? Out of Halifa's hackneyed imagination was constructed an
affable Sekou Toure, all-smiling, all-embracing, momentarily assuming an air
of exclusiveness as a populist-man-of-the-people.
But that is empty hogwash. Toure was a vicious tyrant under whose tenure,
Guinea saw copious cases of human rights violations. Political opponents,
real or imagined, became victims of political thuggery, governmental
intimidation. Toure's power-hunger, quenched by terror and brutality,
created an aura of hopelessness steeped in Guinean political consciousness.
Toure made it a habit to lecture and hector his countrymen on revolutionary
ideals that were more self-aggrandizing than helpful to the Guinean cause.
He is, perhaps, best remembered for his rabble-rousings against the French
colonialists and standing up for Guinean independence. The rest is
chock-a-block with tyranny and misery for the people of Guinea.
African leaders are adept at putting a veneer of political correctness when
they visit other countries. When Halifa's president-or if the
sociologist-politician-journalist - pleases, political opponent, Yahya
Jammeh, recently visited the US, he seemed a democratic leader presiding
over a country enculturated in democratic ideals. Which we all know is
fatuous nonesense. Tact and objectivity must be employed when analysing the
postures, intricacies of African leaders. And their legacies, too.
Nyerere under microscope
Knowing next to nothing about polemical brevity and with a penchant for
regurgitative history, Halifa's rejoinder to Ayittey's and Shirama's article
was a circuitous road of historical narratives meshed with dogmatism and
devoid of self-injecting objectvity. Halifa asserts:"if we want to judge
Nyerere fairly, we must identify his proper place in the struggle for the
liberation of the African people to achieve liberty, dignity and
prosperity." He asks:" was Nyerere part of the problem or part of the
solution?" To Halifa, Nyerere was only part of the solution. Or, atleast,
that's what we delineated from his article.
But Ayittey and Shirama told us Nyerere was both a solution and a problem.
And rightly so. "Although Julius Nyerere belonged to this generation of
African leaders," they write, "he did not display their egregious and
megalomaniac excesses. He was not personally corrupt and his living style
modest - a rare and refreshing exception among African leaders." They write
further: "Nyerere was also among the very few African heads of state who
relinguished political power voluntarily." And: "Nyerere worked
indefatigably to mediate conflicts and bring peace to the East African and
Great Lakes Region... Nyerere was quite active in promoting peace,
understanding among people of the developing nations."
But Ayittey and Shirama took a critical look at Nyerere's domestic record,
unimpressive as it was: A socialist program forcibly shoved down the throats
of Tanzanians. Result? State-control of industries and a "controlling
interest in the major multinational corporation subsidiaries, coffee estates
and the sisal industry." Within a decade, according to the authors, most of
Tanzania's state-run industries had become inefficient and redundant.
Economic loss and unemployment soared. Tanzanians groaned.
And groaned even more with Nyerere's resettlemt programs: "Operation
Dodoma," "Operation Sogeza," "Operation Kigoma." The two authors revealed
that for the good of Nyerere's "communal villages," farmers were "loaded
into trucks, often forcibly, and moved to new locations. Many lost their
lives and property in the process. To prevent them from returning to their
old habitats, the government bulldozed the abandoned buildings." And by
1976, according to the authors, some 13 million peasants had been "forced
into 8,000 cooperative villages, and by the end of the 1970s, about 91
percent of the entire population had been moved into government villages."
And consider this: "regulations required that all crops were to be bought
and distributed by the government. It was illegal for the peasants to sell
their own produce."
Nyerere's "Ujaama" villigization proved a disastrous failure. Agriculural
productivity dwindled and industries were sent packing. And Ayittey and
Shirima told us a UN report revealed that because of the policy of forced
villagization, Tanzania suffered ecological disaster, desertification as a
result of deforestation, over-grazing, over-cultivation and population.
Halifa's response to Ayittey's and Shirima's dissent on Nyerere's "Ujaama"
was simply to lay the blame at the doorsteps of the colonialists and
multinational corporations. He argues that when Nyerere and others took
over, they realized "the colonialists had not created any avenue for the
local population to become owners of capital so as to invest in a local
economy." And he states further:"... it was the colonial multinational
corporations which controlled imports and exports, mines, plantations and
industrial establishments. What could such people do to create a national
economy?" While there is a ring of truth about that, Halifa, unfortunately,
did not see anything wrong or blameworthy about Nyerere's own policies. He
heaped entire blame on the colonialists and its agents, leaving Nyerere
scot-free.
Halifa unknowingly tried dismissing Nyerere's efforts because Halifa
imagined success could not be attained no matter how Nyerere tried, given
the controlling nature of multinational corporations. "What could such
people do to create a national economy?" he asks. Force people into
governemnt squatter camps to till the land? Nationalize all the industries?
All crops to be bought and distributed by the government? Illegal for the
farmers to sell their own produce? Were these not Nyerere's policies? Did
they help Tanzania? Do we - can we- find anything inherently wrong with
Nyerere's own policies independent of any colonialism and multinationalism
effect?
Nyerere: words and deeds
Halifa is ecstatic about Nyerere. He introduces us to a "dialogue with
Nyerere," which, come to think of it, is a simplistic appraisal of Nyerere's
words, not an objective contrast with his deeds. On leadership, Halifa
quotes Nyerere:
"Let me emphasize that this leadership I am now talking about does not imply
control, any more than it implies bullying or intimidating people. A good
leader will explain, teach, and inspire. In an ujamaa village he will do
more and he will lead by doing. He is in front of the people, showing them
what can be done, guiding them, and encouraging them. But he is with them.
You do not lead people by being so far in front or so theoritical in your
teaching that the people cannot see what you are doing or saying. You do not
lead people by yapping at their heels like a dog herding cattle. You can
lead the people only by being one of them, by just being more active as well
as more thoughtful, and more willing to teach as well as more willing to
learn from them and others."
And Halifa concludes in a linear note: "Now may we ask: Can this be the
words of a tyrant?" But who said Nyerere was one? Bettr still, Halifa
should be told that politicians and public figures are not - should not - be
judged by their words but their deeds and the consequences of their deeds.
It is not even that Halifa doesn't know about this; he does. In my debate
with him, earlier this year, Halifa admonished that history is not judged by
words but by deeds. Yet here, doing injustice to objectivity, Halifa simply
finds solace in Nyerere's words, failing to contrast them with his own
actions on the ground. Take, if you will, Ayittey's and Shirima's
observation on Nyerere. They als quote the late Tanzanian leader:
"Democratic reforms are naturally well-suited to African conditions. For me
the charctersitics of democracy are: the freedom of the individual,
including freedom to criticize the government, and the opportunity to change
it without worrying about being murdered." But in doing what objective
critics do, the two authors make a contrast of Nyerere's sacchrine words
with his own deeds. And they find: "...soon after becoming Tanzania's
president, he changed his tune: 'Democracy will create opposition among...'
The authors reveal further: Said Fundikira, Mwinyijuma Othuman Upindo and
James Mapalala, founders of Civic Movement, campaigned for greater political
pluralism, they were immediately arrested in 1986 and detained under the
Preventive Detention Act of 1962 ... exactly the same repressive colonial
measure used to quell black aspirations for freedom." Halifa did not, could
not, refute this; instead he tried finding historical analogies:
Searching for faults yonder
"Kennedy is seen as a saint. However, he presided over a nation where the Ku
Klux Klan murdered black people with impunity. US congress served the
humiliating role of debating whether to pass legislations outlawing
discrimination on the basis of race, " Halifa writes.
I don't know any honest, seasoned American journalists, critics, writers and
historians who consider Kennedy a "saint". Kennedy's good and bad sides have
both been illuminated by political pundits and revisionist historians. The
same can be said about Thomas Jefferson. For much of this year, journalists
unearthed and expounded upon reports of his extramarital affair with a slave
and for owning slaves. If Kennedy and Jefferson and Washington were "saints"
their indignities read in historical accounts and magazine reports do not
qualify them so.
Fact is, in Africa, the US and elsewhere, fanatical nationalism can be as
imbecilic as a threat to objective intellectual discourse. Some people are
not willing to submit themselves and their environment to critical srcutiny.
They feign at any semblance of dissent, which is considered an import of
external culural and intellectual hegemony. For Halifa to urge Ayittey and
Shirima to read the books of Nyerere, Nkrumah, Frantz Fanon, others, not the
works of their critics, smacks of intellectual discrmination. It is wrong.
The good, the bad and the ugly
Undoubtedly, Nyerere, Nkrumah and some other Pan-Africanist leaders, had
good intentions for Africa. They strove very hard to free Africans from the
yoke of colonialism. However, their idealism betrayed not only their visions
and hopes, but the collective will of their peoples. They built large
personality cults that insulated them from the needs and aspirations of
their constituents. They became power-hungry, crushing dissent, stifling
political actvity. Multipartyism democracy became an anathema.
Nkrumah, for instance, was becoming increasingly tyrannical in the dying
days of his rule. Like his colonial captors, Nkrumah used his notorious
Preventive Detention Act to jail his opponents with impunity. J.B. Danquah,
one of the paragons of Ghanaian liberalism, was detained and died in jail.
Has Halifa read this in Nkrumah's books? "His overthrow on 24 February 1966,
thus, came as a huge relief to most Ghanaians who didn't really understand
the world milieu in which Nkrumah operated" (New African, April 1997; p.14).
Halifa's rhetorical Pan-Africanist zealotry tossed in his article is
required for an audience conditioned to believe too much in Afrocentrism,
little in self-penetrating objectivity and criticism. Halifa's article was
slanted in an angle different from that of Ayittey and Shirima. He argued
his points from the position of a Pan-Africanist, whereas the two authors
argued theirs out of independent-mindedness, sharpended by incisiveness and
scholarhip. Ayittey's and Shirima's article is endowed with irrefutable
facts - facts that speak to the truth about Nyerere's legacy.
And get this: Ayittey is a scholar, critic, writer. He has written
extensively on Africa. He tackles African issues with insightful scrutiny
unlike the Halifa Sallahs, who, out of drooling utopianism and incontinent
lust for nationalism, are hopelessly unrestrained in their kissing up to
vaunted Pan-africanism starved of self-dissenting objectivity. And honesty.
Let Halifa be objective.
Cherno Baba Jallow
Wayne State University
Detroit, Michigan
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Conference on "Democratisation and Development in West Africa in the =
Next Millennium: Building a Regional Network for Democracy" held in =
Abuja, Nigeria October 22 =96 24, 1999
Conference Declaration
Introduction=20
The Conference on "Democratisation and Development in West Africa in the =
next Millennium - Building a Regional Network for Democracy" was =
convened by the Centre for Democracy and Development in collaboration =
with nine other civil society institutions with a special interest in =
democracy in West Africa, namely:
a.. African Centre for Democracy & Human Rights Studies (the Gambia) =
b.. African Centre for Democratic Governance (Nigeria)=20
c.. Africa Leadership Forum (Nigeria)=20
d.. Akina Mama wa Afrika (UK)=20
e.. Centre for Democratic Empowerment (Liberia)=20
f.. Campaign for Good Governance, (Sierra Leone)=20
g.. Gerddes-Afrique (Benin)=20
h.. Institute Afrique Pour La Democratie, (Senegal)=20
i.. Union Inter-Africaine des Droits de l=92Homme (Burkina Faso)=20
The Conference took place at the ECOWAS Secretariat in Abuja from =
October 21 - 24, 1999, and was declared open by a representative of =
Nigeria's Minister for Co-operation and Integration in Africa, Professor =
Jerry Gana. A keynote address was delivered by former UNDP =
Administrator, Ms Ellen Johnson Sirleaf. The conference was attended by =
representatives of civil society organisations, social movements, the =
labour movement, the women's movement, the media and academia from =
eleven of West Africa's sixteen states.
The Conference also benefited immensely from contributions of experts =
outside the West African sub-region. The in-depth proceedings were full, =
frank, collegial, and comprehensive. In consequence, the participants =
have adopted the following Declaration.
Preamble=20
Having reviewed the political, socio-economic and gender progress made =
so far in the democratisation process in West African, and having =
examined the role of civil society organisations in the post-cold war =
build-up to democracy in the region, the undersigned groups, which have =
a common commitment to sustainable democracy and development, propose =
pro-active measures for consolidating the gains of democracy in the =
sub-region.
Whereas the Conference:=20
a.. Believes in the universal value of democracy for the attainment =
of sustainable human development;=20
a.. Notes that fourteen out of the sixteen countries in the sub =
region now have civilian, constitutional rule, with regular, multi-party =
electoral competition;=20
b.. Affirms that the movement toward democracy is a process which no =
one country has completely achieved in the sub-region or anywhere else;=20
a.. Underscores the need to consolidate fragile electoral =
democracies so that they become stable, durable, predictable and secure; =
b.. Re-affirms the critical role of civil society institutions and =
citizens=92 movements in the deepening and widening of the =
democratisation agenda.=20
The Challenges
On the eve of the new millennium and a decade after democratic renewal =
in West Africa, the Conference notes with concern that in spite of the =
progress made towards democratic transition and consolidation, a number =
of hurdles still remain to enable West African countries to move beyond =
elections. These include, but are not limited to, the following =
challenges:=20
a.. The quest for responsible and responsive leadership;=20
b.. The search for sustainable livelihood and poverty reduction;=20
c.. The challenge of people-led and consensus-driven constitution =
making processes;=20
d.. The challenge of reversing dominant paradigms and received =
wisdom in democratic development;=20
e.. Promotion of fundamental freedoms, human rights and the rule of =
law=20
f.. Controlling corruption and ensuring accountability and =
transparency in governance;=20
g.. Ensuring full freedom for women to contribute and participate on =
the basis of gender equality;=20
h.. Reducing conflicts by promoting governmental and =
non-governmental peace-building strategies on a multi-track basis;=20
i.. Reducing the psyche of militarism and conflict by extending =
democratic control over military activities and promoting a culture of =
tolerance;=20
j.. Strengthening regional integration and promoting regional =
mechanisms that can help sustain democratic development and =
consolidation.=20
The Way forward=20
To help consolidate the gains of current transitions, bridge existing =
divides among civil society institutions in West Africa and contribute =
towards the irreversibility of the democratic momentum in the =
sub-region, we believe there is a need to build a regional democracy =
network of civil society activists, thinkers and workers. The network =
will be a proactive platform for support and sharing of resources =
towards the development and consolidation of democracy in the region, =
relating to governmental and inter-governmental institutions and working =
with other democrats outside West Africa.=20
The Network shall be known as the "West African Democracy Network". Its =
membership will be drawn from citizens=92 groups and civil society =
organisations in the region=92s sixteen countries as well as among those =
who share an abiding faith in the deepening and widening of the =
democratic principle.=20
Although the network is non-governmental, its members understand the =
need to work with governments and inter-governmental institutions in the =
quest to strengthen and institutionalise democracy as a universal value =
and a tool for advancing the goal of regional integration and =
peace-building.
Organising the Network=20
Towards this end, the West Africa Democracy Network regards as its =
primary objective the fostering of collaboration and solidarity among =
democratic forces within the region.
To enable it to undertake this task successfully without creating a new =
organisation, spreading itself too thin or encroaching on the activities =
of its members, the Network will in the first instance concentrate on =
the short term goals of:=20
a.. Information sharing, exchange and co-operation;=20
b.. Partnership Collaboration;=20
c.. Capacity Building and Technical Assistance; and=20
d.. Solidarity.=20
To ensure that this is a vibrant network for sharing of resources, =
exchanging ideas, and supporting programmes in different countries of =
West Africa, the Network shall maintain a secretariat in Nigeria (at the =
Centre for Democracy and Development) and also take steps to establish =
an interactive electronic web-site, and making it accessible to all =
members.
In the long term, the Network also intends to:=20
a.. Provide the space for promoting best practice in institutional =
strengthening and civil society empowerment;=20
b.. Monitor the work of inter-governmental organisations and =
multi-lateral institutions interested in governance and development =
issues in the sub-region; and,=20
c.. Enhance the resources available for long term sustainability of =
civil society institutions engaged in democracy work in the region.=20
Dated 24th October, 1999=20
SIGNATORIES
Conference Participants
1.. Conmany B. Wesseh=20
Centre for Democratic Empowerment(CEDE)
11A Broad Street=20
Snapper Hill
P.O.Box 3679
Monrovia, Liberia
Tel: 00231 226959/ 228003
Fax: 00231 228003/226416
Email: [log in to unmask]
b.. Frank Ofei=20
ECOWAS Secretariat
60 Yakubu Gowon Crescent
Asokoro
P.M.B 401
Abuja, Nigeria
Tel: 00234 9 3147637/7647/3006
Fax: 00234 9 314 7646/62/3005
c.. Dr Ladi Hamalai=20
AFSTRAG
C/o NDA, Kaduna,
NIGERIA
Tel: 00234 62 211612
=20
d.. Dr. Joe Okei Odumakin=20
Campaign for Democracy(CD)
8 Imania Street=20
Anthony Village
Lagos,Nigeria
Tel: 00 234 1 4966555
Fax: 00 234 1 4960363
Email: [log in to unmask]
e.. E. Gyimah-Boadi=20
CDD_Accra
P.O.Box 404
Legon, Ghana
Tel: 00234 4 776142/763029
Fax: 00234 763028
Email: [log in to unmask]
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f.. Ayo Obe=20
Civil Liberties Orgnisation
1A Hussey Street
Jibowu, Yaba
Lagos, Nigeria
Tel: 00234 1 7746694
Email: [log in to unmask]
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g.. Niass Sadikh=20
Rencontre Africaine pour la Defense des droits de l=92Homme(RADDHO)
AmitieII No 4024
B.P 15246
Dakar-Fann, Senegal
Tel: 00221 8246056
Fax: 00221 8246052
Email: [log in to unmask]
h.. Mody Dieng=20
Institute Africain pour la Democratic(IAD)
B.P 1780
Dakar, Senegal
Tel: 00221 8235720
Fax: 00221 8235721
Email: [log in to unmask]
i.. Aboubakry Ba=20
African Institute for Democracy(AID)
Bdl. Djily Mbaye=20
BP. 1780=20
Dakar, Senegal
Tel: 00221 823 5720
Fax: 00221 8235721
Email: [log in to unmask]
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j.. Atihou Ife Paul=20
Ligue pour la de=92fense des droits de l=92homme =91au Benin-Cotonou
B.P. 03-630
Cotonou-Benin(RB)
Tel: 00229 332193/332293
Fax: 00229 332601/332601
k.. Dr. Aboubacarr A. Senghore=20
The African Centre for Democracy and Human Rights Studies
Kairaba Avenue=20
Kombo St. Mary Division
Banjul the Gambia
Tel: 00220 394961/394525
Fax: 00220 394962
Email:[log in to unmask]
l.. Mary N. Brownell=20
Liberian Women Initiative(LWI)
11 Broad Street
P.O.Box 1063
Monrovia,=20
Liberia
Tel: 226678/ 227095
m.. Ndubisi Obiorah=20
HURILAWS
34 Creek Road
Apapa
Lagos, Nigeria
Tel: 00234 1 5876706/876
Email: [log in to unmask]
n.. Stephen W. Wreh-Wilson=20
Justice and Peace Commission (JPC)
P.O.Box 3569
96 Ashmun Street
1000 Monrovia 10
Liberia
Tel: 00231 227657/227676/226723
Fax: 00231 226006/226126
Email:[log in to unmask]
o.. Major General Ishola Williams(Rtd)=20
African Strategic & Research Group
302 Iju Waterworks Road
Iju - Ishaga
Lagos, Nigeria
Tel: (234) 4924480/4925535
Fax: 4924280
Email: [log in to unmask]
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p.. Sheikh E. T. Lewis,=20
Director,
International Society for Human Rights
P.O.Box 1931
Banjul, The Gambia.
Tel: 00220 395039/371878
Fax: 00220 392866
q.. Mazide Ndiaye=20
Reseau Africain pour le Developpe Integre=92
B.P. 12085
Dakar, Senegal
Tel: 00221 8212142
Fax: 00221 8224777
Email: [log in to unmask]
r.. Suah S. Deddeh=20
Press Union of Liberia
King Sao Bosso Street
P.O.Box 4209
Monrovia, Liberia
Tel: 00231 227405
Fax: 00231 227838
Email: [log in to unmask]
s.. Emmanuel Daniel Joof=20
African Society of International and Comparative Law (ASICL)
Private Mail Box 520
Serrekunda, The Gambia
Tel: 00220 375476
Fax: 00220 375469
Email: [log in to unmask]
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t.. Binta Mansaray=20
Campaign for Governance
29 Liverpool Street
Freetown, Sierra Leone
Tel: 00232 22 228454/225253
Fax: 00232 22 228896
Email: [log in to unmask]
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u.. Rhoda K. Sesay=20
Forum for African Women Educationalists(FAWE)
No. 87 Fort Street
Freetown, Sierra Leone
Tel: 227076
Email: [log in to unmask]
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v.. Damien Youl Imi Imkouraba=20
Association pour la Promotion Feminine de Yaaua(APFG)
B.P. 113 Gaam
Bukina Faso
Tel:00226 870078/ 0266
w.. Dr Henri Compaore=20
UIDH
Tel: 00216 313150
Fax: 00216 313228
Email: [log in to unmask]
x.. Segun Jegede=20
Committee for Defence of Human Rights(CDHR)
1A Akin Osiyemi Street
Off Allen Avenue
P.O.Box 46024 Ikeja
Lagos, Nigeria
Tel: 00234 1 4977488
Email: [log in to unmask]
y.. Bayo Oladeji=20
NUJ
Nigeria Tribune
P.O.Box 78
Ibadan, NIGERIA
Nigeria
Tel: 00234 02 2318533
z.. Hawa Yakubu,=20
Executive Secretary,
GERDDES
Cotonou, BENIN
Tel: 00229 334333/334332
Email: [log in to unmask]
aa.. George Sarpong=20
Media Foundation for West Africa
P.O.Box L 973
Legon
Accra, Ghana
Tel: 00233 242470/401615
Email: [log in to unmask]
ab.. Ellen Johnson Sirleaf=20
Kormah Development and Investment Corp
86 Broad Street
Monrovia, Liberia
Tel: 00231 226354(p/f)
22 Rue des Dortensions
Abidjan, Cote d=92ivoire
Tel: 00225 449887
Email: [log in to unmask]
ac.. Benadette Cole=20
Centre for Democracy and Human Rights Studies
Kairaba Avenue
KSMD
The Gambia
Tel: 00220 394961
Fax: 00220 394962
Email: [log in to unmask]
ad.. Boubacar Diop=20
AMDH ,
Bamako,
MALI
Immeuble Yaya Hanne Segou
Tel: 320 52813(B)
Te1: 320848(D)
Fax: 320038
Email:[log in to unmask]
ae.. Lanre Ogundipe,=20
President,
Nigeria Union of Journalist
Area 11, Garki
P.O.Box 4350
Abuja, Nigeria
Tel: 00234 9 3143017
af.. Olasinde Olajide=20
International Institute of Journalism
P.O.Box 4350
Abuja, Nigeria
Fax: 00234 9 3143015
ag.. Auwal Ibrahim Musa (Raf Sanjani)=20
CAPP-Abuja
Plot 556A Borno Street
Area 10 Garki
P.O.Box 6533
Garki, Abuja
Nigeria
Tel: 00234 9 2346780/ 2347593
Email: [log in to unmask]
ah.. Sonny Onyegbula
CDD-Nigeria
2 Olabode Close
off Association Ave.
P.O.Box 15700
Ikeja
Lagos, Nigeria
Tel: 00234 1 493 4420
Email: [log in to unmask]
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1.. Oghoghor Obayuwana
The Guardian Newspaper-Abuja
Tel: 00234 9 5231905
36. Oladimeji Abitogun
The Comet Newspaper-Abuja
Tel/Fax: 00234 9 2343203
37. Hadjia Aissa Diallo.
Comite d=92Action pour la Droit de la FEMME et de l=92Enfant(CADEF)
RP 2653=20
Bamako, Mali
Tel: 00223 225638
Fax: 00223 234102
Email: [log in to unmask]
38. Kadiatou Sowe Sy,
Collectif des Femmes du Mali (COFEM)
BP E 653=20
Bamako, Mali
Tel: 00223 231309
Fax: 00223 231940
Email: [log in to unmask]
39. Jeannette Eno
Akina Mama wa Afrika
334-336 Goswell Road
London EC1
Email: [log in to unmask]
Tel: 0044 181 2249983
Fax: 0044 181 8730246
40.Iheoma Obibi
Alliances for Africa
Aberdeen Centre
Unit 10
24 Highbury Grove
London N5 2EA
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1.. Abdoulaye Bathily ,=20
Cheickh Anta Diop University,
B P 5591=20
Dakar Fann-Senegal
Tel: 00221 8276937
Fax: 00221 8274300
Email: [log in to unmask]
2.. Bisi Adeleye-Fayemi=20
Akina Mama wa Afrika
334-336 Goswell Road
London N7 7NE
Tel: 0171 7135166
Fax: 0171 713 1959
Website:www.akinamama.com
Email: [log in to unmask]
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3.. Aaron T. Gana=20
African Centre for Democractic Governance
11 Rock Haven Street
P.O.Box 13140
Jos, Plateau State
Nigeria
Tel: 00234 73611266
Fax: 00234 73610654
Email: [log in to unmask]
4.. Kole Shettima=20
The Macarthur Foundation
2 Oshin Road
Kongi, Bodija
Ibadan, NIGERIA
Tel: 02 8100168
Fax: 02 8100090
Email:k.shettima.macarthur.skannet.com
45. Ike Okonta
CDD=20
12 Weston Street
London SE21 3ER
Tel: +44 171 407 0772
Fax: +44 171 407 0773
Email: [log in to unmask];=20
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46. Sola Olorunyomi
English Department
University of Ibadan
Nigeria
Email:[log in to unmask]
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47. Bisi Olonisakin
CDD-Lagos,
NIGERIA
Email: [log in to unmask]
Tel: 00 234 1 493 4420; 4925157
48. Sindi Me=92dar-Gould
BAOBAB for Women=92s Human Rights
Flat 1 Musa Yaradua Street
Lagos, Nigeria
Tel: 00234 1 2626267
Fax: 00234 1 617134
Email: [log in to unmask];
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49.Joanna Foster
Women in Law and Development in Africa
P.O.Box 4622, Harare, Zimbabwe
2nd Floor Zambia House
Union Avenue
Harare, Zimbabwe
Tel: 00263 4 752105/751189
Fax: 00263 4 781886
Email: [log in to unmask]
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50. Dr. Tajudeen Abdul-Raheem
CDD
Pan African Movement=20
Box 24590
Kampala, Uganda
Tel: 00256 41 269993
Email: [log in to unmask]
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e.. Ndey Jobarteh=20
Akina Mama wa Afrika
334-336 Goswell Road
London EC1V 7LQ
Tel: 0171 713 5166
Fax: 0171 713 1959
Email:[log in to unmask]
f.. Samuel Egwu,=20
African Centre for Democratic Governance (AFRIGOV),
Jos, NIGERIA
Email: [log in to unmask]
g.. Nana K.A. Busia, jnr,=20
International Alert,
1 Glyn Street,
London SE11
Tel: +44 171 793 83 83
Fax: +44 171 793 74 64
Email: [log in to unmask]
h.. Zaya Yeebo,=20
Vice-Chair, CDD Governing Council
CDD-London
Tel: 0181 3500684
i.. Mohammad Faal,=20
Research Associate,
CDD,
12 Leathermarket,
London SE1 3ER,
UNITED KINGDOM
Email:[log in to unmask]
j.. Niyi Alabi
The Polyghot=20
P.O.Box GP13115
Accra, Ghana
Tel: 00233 21 776409
Fax: 00233 21 776420
Mobile: 027 584271
Email: [log in to unmask]
51. Roger Gomez=20
Transmedia International
BP 982 Cotonou
Tel: 00229 323005/302071
P.O.Box 7871
Accra, Ghana
Tel: 00233 27583559
52. Robert Odenkey Mensah
The Lawsmiths
P.O.Box MP1507
Mamprobi
Accra, Ghana
Tel/Fax: 00233 21 666445/668688
53. J. =92Kayode Fayemi,
Director,
CDD,
12 The Leathermarket Street,
Weston Street,
London SE1 3ER,
U.K.
Tel: +44 171 407 0772
Fax: +44 171 407 0773
Email: [log in to unmask];
[log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask];
54. Sadikou Ayo Alao,
President,
GERDDES-AFRIQUE,
C/4001A-Akakpa,
B.P.1258 Cotonou,
BENIN
Tel: +229 33 43 33
Fax: +229 33 44 99/33 43 32,
Email: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
Website: www.gerddes.org
1.. Clement Nwankwo,=20
Executive Director,
Constitutional Rights Project (CRP)=20
5, Abiona Close, Off Falolu Road, Surulere, Lagos=20
(with offices in Owerri, Imo State)
Tel: +234 1-5848498, 5843041,=20
Fax: +234 1-5848571
E-mail: [log in to unmask]
b.. Richard Akinnola,=20
Chairperson,
Centre for Free Speech,
Lagos, NIGERIA
Email: [log in to unmask]
c.. Ambassador Brownson Dede,=20
Director-General,
Federal Ministry for Cooperation & Integration in Africa,
Federal Secretariat,
Abuja, NIGERIA
d.. Dr Larry Diamond,=20
Hoover Institution,
Stanford University,
California, USA
Tel: +1 650 723 5048
Fax: +1 650 723 1928
Email:
[log in to unmask]
e.. Joanna Skelt,
CDD,
12 The Leathermarket,
Weston Street,
London SE1 3ER,
London, U.K.
Tel: + 44 171 407 0772
Fax: +44 171 407 0773
Email: [log in to unmask]
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<P align=3Dcenter>Conference on "Democratisation and Development in =
West=20
Africa in the Next Millennium: Building a Regional Network for =
Democracy"=20
held in Abuja, Nigeria October 22 – 24, 1999</P>
<P align=3Dcenter></P>
<P align=3Dcenter>Conference Declaration</P></B>
<P align=3Dcenter></P></FONT><B><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old =
Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>Introduction</FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old =
Style">=20
</P>
<P align=3Djustify></P></B>
<P> </P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>The Conference on "Democratisation and =
Development in West=20
Africa in the next Millennium - Building a Regional Network for =
Democracy"=20
was convened by the Centre for Democracy and Development in =
collaboration with=20
nine other civil society institutions with a special interest in =
democracy in=20
West Africa, namely:</P>
<UL>
<P align=3Djustify>
<LI>African Centre for Democracy & Human Rights Studies (the =
Gambia)=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>African Centre for Democratic Governance (Nigeria)=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Africa Leadership Forum (Nigeria)=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Akina Mama wa Afrika (UK)=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Centre for Democratic Empowerment (Liberia)=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Campaign for Good Governance, (Sierra Leone)=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Gerddes-Afrique (Benin)=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Institute Afrique Pour La Democratie, (Senegal)=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Union Inter-Africaine des Droits de l’Homme (Burkina Faso) =
<P></P></LI></UL>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<P align=3Djustify>The Conference took place at the ECOWAS Secretariat =
in Abuja=20
from October 21 - 24, 1999, and was declared open by a representative of =
Nigeria's Minister for Co-operation and Integration in Africa, Professor =
Jerry=20
Gana. A keynote address was delivered by former UNDP Administrator, Ms =
Ellen=20
Johnson Sirleaf. The conference was attended by representatives of civil =
society=20
organisations, social movements, the labour movement, the women's =
movement, the=20
media and academia from eleven of West Africa's sixteen =
states.</P></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">
<P align=3Djustify></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" =
size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>The Conference also benefited immensely from =
contributions of=20
experts outside the West African sub-region. The in-depth proceedings =
were full,=20
frank, collegial, and comprehensive. In consequence, the participants =
have=20
adopted the following Declaration.</P></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">
<P align=3Djustify></P></FONT><B><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old =
Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>Preamble</FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old =
Style"> </P>
<P align=3Djustify></P></B>
<P> </P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>Having reviewed the political, socio-economic and =
gender=20
progress made so far in the democratisation process in West African, and =
having=20
examined the role of civil society organisations in the post-cold war =
build-up=20
to democracy in the region, the undersigned groups, which have a common=20
commitment to sustainable democracy and development, propose pro-active =
measures=20
for consolidating the gains of democracy in the =
sub-region.</P></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">
<P align=3Djustify></P></FONT><B><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old =
Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>Whereas the Conference</B>:</FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style"> </P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<UL></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>
<LI>Believes in the universal value of democracy for the attainment =
of=20
sustainable human development;</FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">=20
<P></P></LI></UL>
<UL></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>
<LI>Notes that fourteen out of the sixteen countries in the sub =
region now=20
have civilian, constitutional rule, with regular, multi-party =
electoral=20
competition;=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Affirms that the movement toward democracy is a process which no =
one=20
country has completely achieved in the sub-region or anywhere else;=20
<P></P></LI></UL>
<UL>
<P align=3Djustify>
<LI>Underscores the need to consolidate fragile electoral =
democracies so=20
that they become stable, durable, predictable and secure;=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Re-affirms the critical role of civil society institutions and=20
citizens’ movements in the deepening and widening of the=20
democratisation agenda.=20
<P></P></LI></UL>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<P align=3Djustify> </P>
<P align=3Djustify> </P><B>
<P align=3Djustify>The Challenges</P>
<P align=3Djustify></P></B>
<P align=3Djustify>On the eve of the new millennium and a decade after =
democratic=20
renewal in West Africa, the Conference notes with concern that in spite =
of the=20
progress made towards democratic transition and consolidation, a number =
of=20
hurdles still remain to enable West African countries to move beyond =
elections.=20
These include, but are not limited to, the following challenges: </P>
<UL>
<P align=3Djustify>
<LI>The quest for responsible and responsive leadership;</FONT><FONT =
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">=20
<P></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>The search for sustainable livelihood and poverty =
reduction;</FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">=20
<P></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>The challenge of people-led and consensus-driven constitution =
making=20
processes;</FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">=20
<P></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>The challenge of reversing dominant paradigms and received =
wisdom in=20
democratic development;</FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old =
Style">=20
<P></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Promotion of fundamental freedoms, human rights and the rule of=20
law</FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">=20
<P></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Controlling corruption and ensuring accountability and =
transparency in=20
governance;</FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">=20
<P></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Ensuring full freedom for women to contribute and participate on =
the=20
basis of gender equality;</FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old =
Style">=20
<P></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Reducing conflicts by promoting governmental and =
non-governmental=20
peace-building strategies on a multi-track basis;</FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">=20
<P></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Reducing the psyche of militarism and conflict by extending =
democratic=20
control over military activities and promoting a culture of=20
tolerance;</FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">=20
<P></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Strengthening regional integration and promoting regional =
mechanisms=20
that can help sustain democratic development and consolidation.=20
<P></P></LI></UL>
<P> </P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">
<P align=3Djustify></P></FONT><B><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old =
Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>The Way forward</FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman =
Old Style">=20
</P>
<P align=3Djustify></P></B>
<P> </P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>To help consolidate the gains of current transitions, =
bridge=20
existing divides among civil society institutions in West Africa and =
contribute=20
towards the irreversibility of the democratic momentum in the =
sub-region, we=20
believe there is a need to build a regional democracy network of civil =
society=20
activists, thinkers and workers. The network will be a proactive =
platform for=20
support and sharing of resources towards the development and =
consolidation of=20
democracy in the region, relating to governmental and inter-governmental =
institutions and working with other democrats outside West =
Africa.</FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style"> </P>
<P> </P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify><BR>The Network shall be known as the "<B>West =
African=20
Democracy Network</B>". Its membership will be drawn from =
citizens’=20
groups and civil society organisations in the region’s sixteen =
countries=20
as well as among those who share an abiding faith in the deepening and =
widening=20
of the democratic principle.</FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old =
Style"> </P>
<P> </P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>Although the network is non-governmental, its members =
understand the need to work with governments and inter-governmental =
institutions=20
in the quest to strengthen and institutionalise democracy as a universal =
value=20
and a tool for advancing the goal of regional integration and=20
peace-building.</P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">
<P align=3Djustify></P></FONT><B><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old =
Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>Organising the Network</FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style"> </P>
<P align=3Djustify></P></B>
<P> </P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>Towards this end, the <B>West Africa Democracy =
Network</B>=20
regards as its primary objective the fostering of collaboration and =
solidarity=20
among democratic forces within the region.</P></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">
<P align=3Djustify></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" =
size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>To enable it to undertake this task successfully =
without=20
creating a new organisation, spreading itself too thin or encroaching on =
the=20
activities of its members, the <B>Network</B> will in the first instance =
concentrate on the short term goals of: </P>
<UL>
<P align=3Djustify>
<LI>Information sharing, exchange and co-operation;=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Partnership Collaboration;=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Capacity Building and Technical Assistance; and=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Solidarity.=20
<P></P></LI></UL></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">
<P align=3Djustify></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" =
size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>To ensure that this is a vibrant network for sharing =
of=20
resources, exchanging ideas, and supporting programmes in different =
countries of=20
West Africa, the <B>Network</B> shall maintain a secretariat in Nigeria =
(at the=20
Centre for Democracy and Development) and also take steps to establish =
an=20
interactive electronic web-site, and making it accessible to all=20
members.</P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">
<P align=3Djustify></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" =
size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>In the long term, the <B>Network</B> also intends=20
to:</FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style"> </P>
<OL></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>
<LI>Provide the space for promoting best practice in institutional=20
strengthening and civil society empowerment;=20
<P></P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Monitor the work of inter-governmental organisations and =
multi-lateral=20
institutions interested in governance and development issues in the=20
sub-region; and,</FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">=20
<P></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<LI>Enhance the resources available for long term sustainability of =
civil=20
society institutions engaged in democracy work in the =
region.</FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">=20
<P></P></LI></OL>
<P> </P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify><BR>Dated 24th October, 1999</FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style"> </P>
<P> </P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<P align=3Djustify>SIGNATORIES</P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<P align=3Djustify>Conference Participants</P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<P align=3Djustify> </P>
<OL></FONT>
<LI>Conmany B. Wesseh <FONT face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">
<P>Centre for Democratic Empowerment(CEDE)</P>
<P>11A Broad Street </P>
<P>Snapper Hill</P>
<P>P.O.Box 3679</P>
<P>Monrovia, Liberia</P>
<P>Tel: 00231 226959/ 228003</P>
<P>Fax: 00231 228003/226416</P>
<P>Email: [log in to unmask]</P>
<LI>Frank Ofei=20
<P>ECOWAS Secretariat</P>
<P>60 Yakubu Gowon Crescent</P>
<P>Asokoro</P>
<P>P.M.B 401</P>
<P>Abuja, Nigeria</P>
<P>Tel: 00234 9 3147637/7647/3006</P>
<P>Fax: 00234 9 314 7646/62/3005</P>
<LI>Dr Ladi Hamalai=20
<P>AFSTRAG</P>
<P>C/o NDA, Kaduna,</P>
<P>NIGERIA</P>
<P>Tel: 00234 62 211612</P>
<P> </P>
<LI>Dr. Joe Okei Odumakin=20
<P>Campaign for Democracy(CD)</P>
<P>8 Imania Street </P>
<P>Anthony Village</P>
<P>Lagos,Nigeria</P>
<P>Tel: 00 234 1 4966555</P>
<P>Fax: 00 234 1 4960363</P>
<P>Email: [log in to unmask] </P>
<LI>E. Gyimah-Boadi=20
<P>CDD_Accra</P>
<P>P.O.Box 404</P>
<P>Legon, Ghana</P>
<P>Tel: 00234 4 776142/763029</P>
<P>Fax: 00234 763028</P>
<P>Email: [log in to unmask]</P>
<P> </P>
<LI>Ayo Obe=20
<P>Civil Liberties Orgnisation</P>
<P>1A Hussey Street</P>
<P>Jibowu, Yaba</P>
<P>Lagos, Nigeria</P>
<P>Tel: 00234 1 7746694</P>
<P>Email: [log in to unmask]</P>
<P>[log in to unmask]</P>
<P> </P>
<LI>Niass Sadikh=20
<P>Rencontre Africaine pour la Defense des droits de=20
l’Homme(RADDHO)</P>
<P>AmitieII No 4024</P>
<P>B.P 15246</P>
<P>Dakar-Fann, Senegal</P>
<P>Tel: 00221 8246056</P>
<P>Fax: 00221 8246052</P>
<P>Email: [log in to unmask]</P>
<LI>Mody Dieng=20
<P>Institute Africain pour la Democratic(IAD)</P>
<P>B.P 1780</P>
<P>Dakar, Senegal</P>
<P>Tel: 00221 8235720</P>
<P>Fax: 00221 8235721</P>
<P>Email: [log in to unmask]</P>
<LI>Aboubakry Ba=20
<P>African Institute for Democracy(AID)</P>
<P>Bdl. Djily Mbaye </P>
<P>BP. 1780 </P>
<P>Dakar, Senegal</P>
<P>Tel: 00221 823 5720</P>
<P>Fax: 00221 8235721</P>
<P>Email: [log in to unmask]</P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<LI>Atihou Ife Paul=20
<P>Ligue pour la de’fense des droits de l’homme =
‘au=20
Benin-Cotonou</P>
<P>B.P. 03-630</P>
<P>Cotonou-Benin(RB)</P>
<P>Tel: 00229 332193/332293</P>
<P>Fax: 00229 332601/332601</P>
<LI>Dr. Aboubacarr A. Senghore=20
<P>The African Centre for Democracy and Human Rights Studies</P>
<P>Kairaba Avenue </P>
<P>Kombo St. Mary Division</P>
<P>Banjul the Gambia</P>
<P>Tel: 00220 394961/394525</P>
<P>Fax: 00220 394962</P>
<P>Email:[log in to unmask]</P>
<LI>Mary N. Brownell=20
<P>Liberian Women Initiative(LWI)</P>
<P>11 Broad Street</P>
<P>P.O.Box 1063</P>
<P>Monrovia, </P>
<P>Liberia</P>
<P>Tel: 226678/ 227095</P>
<LI>Ndubisi Obiorah=20
<P>HURILAWS</P>
<P>34 Creek Road</P>
<P>Apapa</P>
<P>Lagos, Nigeria</P>
<P>Tel: 00234 1 5876706/876</P>
<P>Email: [log in to unmask]</P>
<LI>Stephen W. Wreh-Wilson=20
<P>Justice and Peace Commission (JPC)</P>
<P>P.O.Box 3569</P>
<P>96 Ashmun Street</P>
<P>1000 Monrovia 10</P>
<P>Liberia</P>
<P>Tel: 00231 227657/227676/226723</P>
<P>Fax: 00231 226006/226126</P>
<P>Email:[log in to unmask]</P>
<LI>Major General Ishola Williams(Rtd)=20
<P>African Strategic & Research Group</P>
<P>302 Iju Waterworks Road</P>
<P>Iju - Ishaga</P>
<P>Lagos, Nigeria</P>
<P>Tel: (234) 4924480/4925535</P>
<P>Fax: 4924280</P>
<P>Email: [log in to unmask]</P>
<P>[log in to unmask]</P>
<LI>Sheikh E. T. Lewis,=20
<P>Director,</P>
<P>International Society for Human Rights</P>
<P>P.O.Box 1931</P>
<P>Banjul, The Gambia.</P>
<P>Tel: 00220 395039/371878</P>
<P>Fax: 00220 392866</P>
<LI>Mazide Ndiaye=20
<P>Reseau Africain pour le Developpe Integre’</P>
<P>B.P. 12085</P>
<P>Dakar, Senegal</P>
<P>Tel: 00221 8212142</P>
<P>Fax: 00221 8224777</P>
<P>Email: [log in to unmask]</P>
<LI>Suah S. Deddeh=20
<P>Press Union of Liberia</P>
<P>King Sao Bosso Street</P>
<P>P.O.Box 4209</P>
<P>Monrovia, Liberia</P>
<P>Tel: 00231 227405</P>
<P>Fax: 00231 227838</P>
<P>Email: [log in to unmask]</P>
<LI>Emmanuel Daniel Joof=20
<P>African Society of International and Comparative Law (ASICL)</P>
<P>Private Mail Box 520</P>
<P>Serrekunda, The Gambia</P>
<P>Tel: 00220 375476</P>
<P>Fax: 00220 375469</P>
<P>Email: [log in to unmask]</P>
<P></FONT><A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old =
Style">[log in to unmask]</FONT></A></P><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">
<LI>Binta Mansaray=20
<P>Campaign for Governance</P>
<P>29 Liverpool Street</P>
<P>Freetown, Sierra Leone</P>
<P>Tel: 00232 22 228454/225253</P>
<P>Fax: 00232 22 228896</P>
<P>Email: </FONT><A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old =
Style">[log in to unmask]</FONT></A></P><FONT=20
face=3D"Arrus BT,Bookman Old Style">
<P> </P>
<LI>Rhoda K. Sesay=20
<P>Forum for African Women Educationalists(FAWE)</P>
<P>No. 87 Fort Street</P>
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<P>53. J. ’Kayode Fayemi,</P>
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+++++++++++++++++++++Document Profile+++++++++++++++++++++
Region: Continent-Wide
Issue Areas: +economy/development+ +US policy focus+
Summary Contents:
This posting contains an urgent action alert from the Jubilee
2000/USA coalition calling for immediate pressure on members
of the US Congress to secure approval for revaluation of
gold stocks by the International Monetary Fund for a dedicated
acount for debt relief. Jubilee 2000/USA reports that the
latest proposal, if approved, will -- unlike earlier proposals
-- not provide additional funds for IMF structural adjustment.
And, as explained in a September press release from Jubilee
2000/UK, this is also an entirely different proposal than
earlier moves for IMF sales of gold stock, which was opposed
by gold producing countries such as South Africa.
[Note to non-U.S. readers: Although the call for action
contained below is appropriate for US residents, this
posting is provided both for your background information and
for possible forwarding to those of your US contacts you
think would be interested.]
+++++++++++++++++end profile++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
JUBILEE 2000/USA ACTION ALERT!
For more information contact
Jubilee 2000/USA
222 East Capitol Street, NE
Washington DC 20003-1036, USA
Tel: 1-202-783-3566; Fax: 1-202-546-4468
E-mail: [log in to unmask]
Web: http://www.j2000usa.org
CALL YOUR SENATORS BEFORE MONDAY AT 3PM!
CALL REP. DICK ARMEY'S OFFICE!
Decisions this week in Congress mainly did not go our way (see
below). BUT, there is still a chance to get Congressional
approval for a small, **yet extremely vital**, debt relief
measure, one that enables relief of $2.3 billion in debts owed
the IMF (International Monetary Fund) by 36 impoverished
countries. That may sound small but, actually, this would be
an important foot in the door, and it would do a lot to
encourage similar actions by other wealthy governments.
==> That's why it's urgent that you call (and ask members of
your group to call) your Senators, Senate leadership, and Rep.
Dick Armey to say:
I WANT CONGRESS TO AUTHORIZE THE IMF TO USE RESOURCES IT
ALREADY HAS TO FINANCE DEBT RELIEF.
I WANT CONGRESS TO AUTHORIZE THE IMF TO REVALUE ITS GOLD
STOCKS IN ORDER TO MAKE MORE DEBT RELIEF POSSIBLE
[Please note that this would *not* lead, under an agreement
reached Wednesday, to financing for the IMF's structural
adjustment lending program. Rather, the money would go into
a dedicated account for debt relief.]
The U.S. is the only country that belongs to the IMF that
hasn't yet granted the necessary approval (under the Cologne
Debt Initiative) for the IMF to relieve debt. In fact, the
entire Cologne agreement is riding on what Congress does
before it adjourns. If the IMF is not able to relieve debt,
the entire Cologne debt program could be jeopardized.
Jubilee 2000/USA considers current official debt relief
programs, which came out of the June 1999 G7 Summit in
Cologne, Germany, to have shortcomings. The Campaign is
committed to remaining vigilant in matters of implementation
of this Initiative and to demanding the expansion of debt
cancellation measures even further, to benefit enough
countries and in accordance with our Platform. Yet, the
Initiative is an important step forward.
ACTION - ACTION - ACTION - ACTION:
House Majority Leader Dick Armey is one key to getting
Congressional approval of IMF debt cancellation. THIS IS AN
URGENT PLEA to flood Armey's office with calls. (Calls are
vital from any and everyone. But, know anyone in living in
Armey's district in the Dallas TX suburbs? Call them [or e-
mail them] and ask them to call too)
Washington office: (202) 225-7772 (leave a message is
necessary) District office: (972) 556-2500
Call your Senators BEFORE MONDAY AT 3:00PM EDT, and urge them
to amend the Foreign Aid bill on the floor to authorize the
revaluation of IMF gold and the transfer of funds within the
IMF in order to pay for debt relief. Neither of these come at
any additional cost to the US taxpayer, so it shouldn't throw
off the rest of the foreign aid agreement if this is added.
Capitol Switchboard: (202) 224-3121
More contact info at http://www.senate.gov
Background:
Administration and Congressional negotiators agreed on a
foreign aid package Wednesday night [November 3]. The
agreement includes full funding for the Wye River Middle East
Peace Accord, and added funding for Kosovo, an additional $150
million for development assistance [for IDA funding], another
$75 million for peacekeeping and another $90 million for debt
relief with the requirement that it be spent only on bilateral
(owed just to the US) debt reduction.
Following is a quick assessment of what the debt relief
provisions mean:
Debt Relief -- What Happened, What Needs to Happen:
Measure***Request by Clinton***Agreement to date by Congress
Portman rainforest***$50 million***$13 million
Bilateral (HIPC Countries)***$110 million***$110 million
HIPC Trust (Multilateral)***$210 million***$ 0
Allow IMF to revalue gold***authorize***no authorization given
SCA-2 (transfer of funds within the IMF
to pay for debt relief)***authorize***no authorization given
============================================================
Total for FY2000***$370 million***$123 million
The President's full request was for the Congress to also
provide an advance appropriation for the next three years of
an additional $600 million to cover the next three years.
What this budget does is to provide bilateral relief needed
for countries that will be coming forward for HIPC debt relief
for next year only (about 29), but there is no multilateral
relief financing at all. Congress only approved (see above)
$123 million and only for bilateral debt relief.
This, along with with the fact that -- unless the Senate
rescues this bit on Monday -- we lack the authorizations for
the IMF gold revaluation and for the transfer of funds the IMF
means that the agreements in Cologne may fall through. That's
because it is highly unlikely that other major creditors like
France, the UK, Germany and Japan will go ahead with providing
debt relief to these countries without the IMF being able to
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Mr Jallow,
I couldn't agree with you more. I happen to believe that Julius Nyerere is
the most honest and decent African leader to date (and that is even before
he died.) But Nyerere had short-comings. And it would be very helpful to us
as Africans to call a spade a spade. To learn from our mistakes, and try to
avoid repeating such mistakes. I haven't read Mr Sallah's piece, but I'm not
surprised by what he's said from reading yours.
Mr. Sallah happens to be quite smart. But what most Gambians don't know
about him is that, he has a knack for believing the most ludicrous - almost
absurdly delusional ideas, you've ever heard. Just before Yaya Jammeh
declared his candidature for the 1996 presidential elections, I called up Mr
Sallah to discuss an article I wanted to publish in his paper detailing why
Yaya would not make a good president ... doctored constitution and all. Mr
Sallah launched into one of his usual monologues, defending the then Lt.
Jammeh, and a constitution that gives a select group of people carte
blanche' to do whatever they want in the Gambia w/o ever facing any
consequences. This, while conveniently ignoring the will of Gambians to have
term limits among other things. I gave up after thirty minutes, because he
wouldn't let me speak though I paid for the call.
So, I'm glad Mr. Sallah is putting out his ideas in such a forum. This would
give people with good sense the chance to see his views for what they really
are: subjective, patronizing, and utterly utopian. Mr Sallah has not been
able to win an election in Serrekunda not because his opponents were ever
any good, but because he continues to live in a cocoon where the only other
members (outside the PDOIS trio,) are a few fanatical followers who truly
believe he is a cross between William Shakespear and the prophet Muhamed.
Maybe if he would start talking TO Gambians, not AT Gambians (note the
difference!,) his political fortunes might improve. So no, I'm not surprised
that Mr Sallah sees Nyerere as blameless. I wonder what he thinks of the
Jammeh regime five years on.
Saul
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> Rage and fury
>Michael Kinsley, editor of the online magazine SLATE, once defined a
>political gaffe as anytime someone tells the truth. Kinsley's perverse
>logic
>could be found in Halifa's recent long-winded reply to the article on
>Nyerere's legacy by George B.N Ayittey, a Ghanaian and Associate Economics
>Professor at the American University,Washington, DC, and Ludovick Shirima,
>a
>Tanzanian and Research Assistant at the Free Trade Africa Foundation,
>Washington, DC.
>
>Like a flash of lightening skirting out of thunderous clouds,Halifa's
>reaction can be fast and furious. He was evidently miffed at the tone and
>contents of the article, not its refutability. Yes, because Halifa could
>not
>pinpoint any falsehood, lies, inaccuracies in the article(we shall come
>back
>to this later). He simply let his dogmatism be an iron hand that throttled
>his objectivity. Kinsley's logic helps here: just an iota of acerbic truth
>about Halifa Sallah, or his political party, or the ideology it peddles, or
>iconoclastic African leaders, is enough to send Halifa to the fringes of
>hysteria and bitternesss. His emotionalism becomes a needle that stitches
>the contours of his intransigent idealism with an absence of fairly-rounded
>scrutiny.
>
>And for a reason. Halifa is a Pan-Africanist. Or so he sounds to be. Small
>wonder, then, he could be as reactive as shallow in his responses to
>anything critical of the Nkrumahs, Nyereres, Lumumbas and the Toures. Take,
>for instance, how Halifa contextualised President Bill Clinton's trip to
>Ghana earlier this year. Clinton was welcomed by hundreds of thousands of
>Ghanaians, a massive gathering billed to be the first of its kind the US
>president had ever seen in his rallies.
>
>A CNN tv footage showed a perspiring Clinton, amidst a large crowd of
>Ghanaians, helplessly urging his spectators to withdraw back from their
>close proximity to him. A phalanx of security agents couldn't control the
>ecstatic Ghanaians. They kept marching towards the president and Clinton
>repeatedly urged his spectators to move back.
>
>That was enough to stoke the fire of Halifa's Pan-Africanist zealotry. He
>went bonkers! And he contrasted Clinton's attitude with that of the former
>Guinean leader Sekou Toure, during a visit to Banjul. Halifa rhapsodized on
>Toure's eagerness and willingness to shake hands with people in Banjul. But
>Sekou Toure visting Banjul? Shaking hands with the people? What's the
>significance? Out of Halifa's hackneyed imagination was constructed an
>affable Sekou Toure, all-smiling, all-embracing, momentarily assuming an
>air
>of exclusiveness as a populist-man-of-the-people.
>
>But that is empty hogwash. Toure was a vicious tyrant under whose tenure,
>Guinea saw copious cases of human rights violations. Political opponents,
>real or imagined, became victims of political thuggery, governmental
>intimidation. Toure's power-hunger, quenched by terror and brutality,
>created an aura of hopelessness steeped in Guinean political consciousness.
>Toure made it a habit to lecture and hector his countrymen on revolutionary
>ideals that were more self-aggrandizing than helpful to the Guinean cause.
>He is, perhaps, best remembered for his rabble-rousings against the French
>colonialists and standing up for Guinean independence. The rest is
>chock-a-block with tyranny and misery for the people of Guinea.
>
>African leaders are adept at putting a veneer of political correctness when
>they visit other countries. When Halifa's president-or if the
>sociologist-politician-journalist - pleases, political opponent, Yahya
>Jammeh, recently visited the US, he seemed a democratic leader presiding
>over a country enculturated in democratic ideals. Which we all know is
>fatuous nonesense. Tact and objectivity must be employed when analysing the
>postures, intricacies of African leaders. And their legacies, too.
>
> Nyerere under microscope
>
>Knowing next to nothing about polemical brevity and with a penchant for
>regurgitative history, Halifa's rejoinder to Ayittey's and Shirama's
>article
>was a circuitous road of historical narratives meshed with dogmatism and
>devoid of self-injecting objectvity. Halifa asserts:"if we want to judge
>Nyerere fairly, we must identify his proper place in the struggle for the
>liberation of the African people to achieve liberty, dignity and
>prosperity." He asks:" was Nyerere part of the problem or part of the
>solution?" To Halifa, Nyerere was only part of the solution. Or, atleast,
>that's what we delineated from his article.
>
>But Ayittey and Shirama told us Nyerere was both a solution and a problem.
>And rightly so. "Although Julius Nyerere belonged to this generation of
>African leaders," they write, "he did not display their egregious and
>megalomaniac excesses. He was not personally corrupt and his living style
>modest - a rare and refreshing exception among African leaders." They write
>further: "Nyerere was also among the very few African heads of state who
>relinguished political power voluntarily." And: "Nyerere worked
>indefatigably to mediate conflicts and bring peace to the East African and
>Great Lakes Region... Nyerere was quite active in promoting peace,
>understanding among people of the developing nations."
>
>But Ayittey and Shirama took a critical look at Nyerere's domestic record,
>unimpressive as it was: A socialist program forcibly shoved down the
>throats
>of Tanzanians. Result? State-control of industries and a "controlling
>interest in the major multinational corporation subsidiaries, coffee
>estates
>and the sisal industry." Within a decade, according to the authors, most of
>Tanzania's state-run industries had become inefficient and redundant.
>Economic loss and unemployment soared. Tanzanians groaned.
>
>And groaned even more with Nyerere's resettlemt programs: "Operation
>Dodoma," "Operation Sogeza," "Operation Kigoma." The two authors revealed
>that for the good of Nyerere's "communal villages," farmers were "loaded
>into trucks, often forcibly, and moved to new locations. Many lost their
>lives and property in the process. To prevent them from returning to their
>old habitats, the government bulldozed the abandoned buildings." And by
>1976, according to the authors, some 13 million peasants had been "forced
>into 8,000 cooperative villages, and by the end of the 1970s, about 91
>percent of the entire population had been moved into government villages."
>And consider this: "regulations required that all crops were to be bought
>and distributed by the government. It was illegal for the peasants to sell
>their own produce."
>
>Nyerere's "Ujaama" villigization proved a disastrous failure. Agriculural
>productivity dwindled and industries were sent packing. And Ayittey and
>Shirima told us a UN report revealed that because of the policy of forced
>villagization, Tanzania suffered ecological disaster, desertification as a
>result of deforestation, over-grazing, over-cultivation and population.
>
>Halifa's response to Ayittey's and Shirima's dissent on Nyerere's "Ujaama"
>was simply to lay the blame at the doorsteps of the colonialists and
>multinational corporations. He argues that when Nyerere and others took
>over, they realized "the colonialists had not created any avenue for the
>local population to become owners of capital so as to invest in a local
>economy." And he states further:"... it was the colonial multinational
>corporations which controlled imports and exports, mines, plantations and
>industrial establishments. What could such people do to create a national
>economy?" While there is a ring of truth about that, Halifa, unfortunately,
>did not see anything wrong or blameworthy about Nyerere's own policies. He
>heaped entire blame on the colonialists and its agents, leaving Nyerere
>scot-free.
>
>Halifa unknowingly tried dismissing Nyerere's efforts because Halifa
>imagined success could not be attained no matter how Nyerere tried, given
>the controlling nature of multinational corporations. "What could such
>people do to create a national economy?" he asks. Force people into
>governemnt squatter camps to till the land? Nationalize all the industries?
>All crops to be bought and distributed by the government? Illegal for the
>farmers to sell their own produce? Were these not Nyerere's policies? Did
>they help Tanzania? Do we - can we- find anything inherently wrong with
>Nyerere's own policies independent of any colonialism and multinationalism
>effect?
>
> Nyerere: words and deeds
>
>Halifa is ecstatic about Nyerere. He introduces us to a "dialogue with
>Nyerere," which, come to think of it, is a simplistic appraisal of
>Nyerere's
>words, not an objective contrast with his deeds. On leadership, Halifa
>quotes Nyerere:
>
>"Let me emphasize that this leadership I am now talking about does not
>imply
>control, any more than it implies bullying or intimidating people. A good
>leader will explain, teach, and inspire. In an ujamaa village he will do
>more and he will lead by doing. He is in front of the people, showing them
>what can be done, guiding them, and encouraging them. But he is with them.
>You do not lead people by being so far in front or so theoritical in your
>teaching that the people cannot see what you are doing or saying. You do
>not
>lead people by yapping at their heels like a dog herding cattle. You can
>lead the people only by being one of them, by just being more active as
>well
>as more thoughtful, and more willing to teach as well as more willing to
>learn from them and others."
>
>And Halifa concludes in a linear note: "Now may we ask: Can this be the
>words of a tyrant?" But who said Nyerere was one? Bettr still, Halifa
>should be told that politicians and public figures are not - should not -
>be
>judged by their words but their deeds and the consequences of their deeds.
>It is not even that Halifa doesn't know about this; he does. In my debate
>with him, earlier this year, Halifa admonished that history is not judged
>by
>words but by deeds. Yet here, doing injustice to objectivity, Halifa simply
>finds solace in Nyerere's words, failing to contrast them with his own
>actions on the ground. Take, if you will, Ayittey's and Shirima's
>observation on Nyerere. They als quote the late Tanzanian leader:
>
>"Democratic reforms are naturally well-suited to African conditions. For me
>the charctersitics of democracy are: the freedom of the individual,
>including freedom to criticize the government, and the opportunity to
>change
>it without worrying about being murdered." But in doing what objective
>critics do, the two authors make a contrast of Nyerere's sacchrine words
>with his own deeds. And they find: "...soon after becoming Tanzania's
>president, he changed his tune: 'Democracy will create opposition among...'
>
>The authors reveal further: Said Fundikira, Mwinyijuma Othuman Upindo and
>James Mapalala, founders of Civic Movement, campaigned for greater
>political
>pluralism, they were immediately arrested in 1986 and detained under the
>Preventive Detention Act of 1962 ... exactly the same repressive colonial
>measure used to quell black aspirations for freedom." Halifa did not, could
>not, refute this; instead he tried finding historical analogies:
>
> Searching for faults yonder
>
>"Kennedy is seen as a saint. However, he presided over a nation where the
>Ku
>Klux Klan murdered black people with impunity. US congress served the
>humiliating role of debating whether to pass legislations outlawing
>discrimination on the basis of race, " Halifa writes.
>
>I don't know any honest, seasoned American journalists, critics, writers
>and
>historians who consider Kennedy a "saint". Kennedy's good and bad sides
>have
>both been illuminated by political pundits and revisionist historians. The
>same can be said about Thomas Jefferson. For much of this year, journalists
>unearthed and expounded upon reports of his extramarital affair with a
>slave
>and for owning slaves. If Kennedy and Jefferson and Washington were
>"saints"
>their indignities read in historical accounts and magazine reports do not
>qualify them so.
>
>Fact is, in Africa, the US and elsewhere, fanatical nationalism can be as
>imbecilic as a threat to objective intellectual discourse. Some people are
>not willing to submit themselves and their environment to critical
>srcutiny.
>They feign at any semblance of dissent, which is considered an import of
>external culural and intellectual hegemony. For Halifa to urge Ayittey and
>Shirima to read the books of Nyerere, Nkrumah, Frantz Fanon, others, not
>the
>works of their critics, smacks of intellectual discrmination. It is wrong.
>
> The good, the bad and the ugly
>
>Undoubtedly, Nyerere, Nkrumah and some other Pan-Africanist leaders, had
>good intentions for Africa. They strove very hard to free Africans from the
>yoke of colonialism. However, their idealism betrayed not only their
>visions
>and hopes, but the collective will of their peoples. They built large
>personality cults that insulated them from the needs and aspirations of
>their constituents. They became power-hungry, crushing dissent, stifling
>political actvity. Multipartyism democracy became an anathema.
>
>Nkrumah, for instance, was becoming increasingly tyrannical in the dying
>days of his rule. Like his colonial captors, Nkrumah used his notorious
>Preventive Detention Act to jail his opponents with impunity. J.B. Danquah,
>one of the paragons of Ghanaian liberalism, was detained and died in jail.
>Has Halifa read this in Nkrumah's books? "His overthrow on 24 February
>1966,
>thus, came as a huge relief to most Ghanaians who didn't really understand
>the world milieu in which Nkrumah operated" (New African, April 1997;
>p.14).
>
>Halifa's rhetorical Pan-Africanist zealotry tossed in his article is
>required for an audience conditioned to believe too much in Afrocentrism,
>little in self-penetrating objectivity and criticism. Halifa's article was
>slanted in an angle different from that of Ayittey and Shirima. He argued
>his points from the position of a Pan-Africanist, whereas the two authors
>argued theirs out of independent-mindedness, sharpended by incisiveness and
>scholarhip. Ayittey's and Shirima's article is endowed with irrefutable
>facts - facts that speak to the truth about Nyerere's legacy.
>
>And get this: Ayittey is a scholar, critic, writer. He has written
>extensively on Africa. He tackles African issues with insightful scrutiny
>unlike the Halifa Sallahs, who, out of drooling utopianism and incontinent
>lust for nationalism, are hopelessly unrestrained in their kissing up to
>vaunted Pan-africanism starved of self-dissenting objectivity. And honesty.
>
>Let Halifa be objective.
>
>Cherno Baba Jallow
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Madiba Saidy, Cherno Baba Jallow and Saul Khan,
Halifa Sallah is currently in Tanzania attending a conference. From there,
he would proceed to Ghana for another programme. He is expected back home
around the middle of November.
Once he is here, all articles relating to the subject shall be transmitted
to him for immediate response.
Till then the debate continues.
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Dear Mr. Bojang,
My intentioin was to tell you of what I know about the two scholars in
question. I kinow both of them personally. As for Ustaz Banbing, I knew him
as a pioneering Muslim missionary in the 70s. He is a recognised Muslim
missionary base on his academic credentials and experience. This is why he
was ever since appointed as a missionary for an Internationally recodnised
Islamic Organisation. He is a graduate of the most prestigoius Islamic
university in the world (Al-Azhar of Egypt). He is a trained Muslim
missioinary.
For your information specialisation in Arabic language in that university
does no disqualify one to be a an Imam or Islamic scholar. That university
adopts an integreted approach to Dawah training. As for his actions that do
conform with the teaachings of Islam, I do not know of any per se. Could you
please be more specific? What are his actions that contradict the teachings
of Islam? I'am looking forward to hearing from you. On Imam Fatty,he is a
humble pious and exemplary imam.
With thanks and best regards.
Sulaaiman Sankareh
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>Mr. Sankarreh,
>Thanks for that news. I did not asked for his educational background just
>because I did not agree with his thoughts. I questioned his Islamic
>knowledge
>because he put himself to the test. I am sure I would not questioned yours
>or
>any body else's until they try to teach us what Islam said. Would you let
>someone drive you if you doubt whether they are even licensed? Again, you
>might but I would not.
>On Mr. Banding Drammeh, those who know him very well dispute that he is an
>Islamic scholar. I know him personally and his actions since he started the
>Institution in Brikama pronounced differently. And that is why I said he is
>alleged not to be.
>On Mr. Baba Leigh, I do not even know what GAMCOTRAP is or what it stands
>for. I happen know that he was a very descent and honest guy I worked with
>at
>Kotu Power Station. I even thought he did Electrical Engineering just in an
>Arabic country. It would be news to me if he is an Islamic/Arabic scholar.
>Again I knew a little about him too.
>However, you seems to know all these people a lot. And again, I just
>questioned the guys education to know how much knowledge he does in fact
>might have in Islam. Of course I am also aware of the fact that graduating
>form one of the best colleges/Universities does mean nothing. It all
>depends
>on the individual. Don't you think so?
>I thank you.
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Sankarreh,
You are very informative on this issue, and the way you approach the
qusetions is just remarkable. I am really your postings.
However, I think you are making us deviate from the topic in hand. And if you
could read the last mail I posted to you, I did asked some questions and they
were not answered. I am awaiting answers on those if you have time.
I am not sure if I could mention names on the L-, but I will give you an
example of what I think any religious should refrain from doing. Mr. Banding
Drammeh was engaged in more than once taking scholarships intended for the
Islamic Institute he was heading and giving them to his brothers/relatives to
benefit from. And again, this is no ALLEGATION. This is a known fact to me.
And agaistn, I intend to stay with the topic on Mr. Fatty's. I still believe
that NO Dr. Marriette Dieng exists just as the Dakar hospital has proved. And
secondly, I doubt so much if he has a tape- at all as he alleged. Unless he
is ready to share the tape with the rest of us, his integrity on this topic
is questionable as before and it did add more deem to it.
Ousman Bojang.
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Cherno,
>>>>>>>>>>
>And get this: Ayittey is a scholar, critic, writer. He has written
>extensively on Africa. He tackles African issues with insightful scrutiny
>unlike the Halifa Sallahs, who, out of drooling utopianism and incontinent
>lust for nationalism, are hopelessly unrestrained in their kissing up to
>vaunted Pan-africanism starved of self-dissenting objectivity. And honesty.
>
>Let Halifa be objective.>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This is absolute twaddle, Objective wow!!! Mr Ayittey writing thousand's of
articles about Africa does not justify anything, unlike Mr Ayittey, Halipha is
back home contributing his quota in the development of the African
continent,and
ofcourse his contribution to national development is highly appreciated by
many both nationally and internationally, Halipha is one of very few people
that has taken up the struggle to educate the Gambian people, He could have
stayed in the West like Mr Ayittey and many of us but he did not.
Your very immature article during that coup era justifying the banning of
Foroyaa shows that you have a beef with Halifa or foroyaa.Your article
contains no single iota of truth... you should be objective, give the man the
credit he deserves....he is not an opportunist...remember it is easy to write
and very difficult to practice what you write and Halipha in no doubt is doing
both.
Thanxxxxx
Bass Ndow
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Ousman,
I don't see why you're wasting your time on this issue. Fatty is simply a
lunatic cum fanatic. By keeping this topic alive, you are giving him way too
much credit. It's a tragedy that people like him are even being discussed as
"national" figures. Even Yaya Jammeh has more sense than to take that man's
advice seriously. So why bother?
Saul.
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>Sankarreh,
>You are very informative on this issue, and the way you approach the
>qusetions is just remarkable. I am really your postings.
>However, I think you are making us deviate from the topic in hand. And if
>you
>could read the last mail I posted to you, I did asked some questions and
>they
>were not answered. I am awaiting answers on those if you have time.
>I am not sure if I could mention names on the L-, but I will give you an
>example of what I think any religious should refrain from doing. Mr.
>Banding
>Drammeh was engaged in more than once taking scholarships intended for the
>Islamic Institute he was heading and giving them to his brothers/relatives
>to
>benefit from. And again, this is no ALLEGATION. This is a known fact to me.
>And agaistn, I intend to stay with the topic on Mr. Fatty's. I still
>believe
>that NO Dr. Marriette Dieng exists just as the Dakar hospital has proved.
>And
>secondly, I doubt so much if he has a tape- at all as he alleged. Unless he
>is ready to share the tape with the rest of us, his integrity on this topic
>is questionable as before and it did add more deem to it.
>
>Ousman Bojang.
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Asalaamu alaikum Gambia-L,
Alhamdullila,
We are back again to share with you the words of Allah!
CREATION OF MAN
A REVIEW OF QURAN & MODERN EMBRYOLOGY
Embryological and biological studies of human life show this to be a
continuous evolutionary process.These evolutionary processes take
place in the hidden compartments of a mother`s womb beyond the
reach of naked human eye in a way unimaginable to ordinary
person.After centuries of research scientists only,in the recent
past,are able to describe these processes,which the Quran
described clearly and beautifully 14 centuries ago.
These processes can be divided into two parts:-
(1)Celluar Division.
(2)Organ formation and getting shape.
(1) INTRAUTERINE CELLULAR DIVISION
FERTILIZATION OF OVUM
Modern science tells us that the beginning of human creation is by
the fertilization of female ovum with the male spermotozoa resulting
in the formation of a zygote.While reminding human beings of their
humble origin and benevolence & power of their creator Allah!(God)
the Highest,has narrated this process at several places in the Quran.
Some of these are:-
"Was not he a cell from semen which was introduced,(or qushed
forth)"?
This is a quotation from the Quran.See the chapter (AL-QIAMAH)
Verse 75:37.
"So let man think from what he is created from a qushing flued that
is issued from between sacrum and symphisis pubis.
(AL-TARIQ,86:5 to 7)"
"Then he made his seed(or progeny)from a despised fluid"
(AL-SAJDA,32:8)
"Indeed we cread man from a mixed or mingled fluid."
(AL-DAHAR,76:2)
Anatomical & physiological studies today tell us that:-
i. Semen is a prerequisite for conception.
ii. Seminal passages indeed lie in the pelvic cavity between
sacrum(SULB)and symphisis pubis(TRAIB)or.
iii. Spermatic fluid which comes out of these passages is a
mixture of secretions from the following glands:-
a. Testicles
b. Seminal vesicles.
c. Prostate gland.
d. Glands of urinary tract.
(Cooper`s Meyer`s Or Liter`s Glands)
The above facts were quoted by the Quran in the 7th century when
nothing like modern anatomy or physiology existed.
ZYGOTE - THE BEGINNING OF EMBRYONIC DEVELOPMENT
The second Quranic principle of biological evolution of man is that it
began from a single cell. This is clearly stated at several place in the
Quran:-
"O Mankind be careful of your duty to your Lord who created you
from a single cell."
(AL-NISA,4:1)
"And He is the One who has produced you from a single cell."
(AL-ANAM,6:98)
"And he created you from one cell."
(AL-ZOMAR,39:6)
" Your creation and your resurrection are only as the creation and
raising from a single cell."
(LUQMAN,31:28)
In modern terminology this single cell is called a fertilized ovum or
zygote.This single cell works as a complete unit which can develop
and evolve into a future person.The concept of zygote being a
compound cell is clearly mentioned in the following verse of Quran.
"Indeed We created man from a mixed cell.Then We make him
hearing and seeing."
This verse also reflects the beauty of Allah`s(God) providence that
he created all the potentialities of a fully grown up person with
auditory,visual and comprehending faculties.
This is part one it will be continue next time,by the power of the
Almighty Allah!(God)
We will discuss about the PROCESS OF CELLULAR DIVISION
Bye for now until next time.
May Allah! give us good understanding,longlife,goodhealth and
progress...Ameen!!!!!
Yours.......
Samba Goddard
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Cherno Jallow,
You certainly have a point in maintaining that objective judgment of our
leaders is impossible without giving due consideration to the practical
consequences of their beliefs and policies. Certainly, Mwalimu saying one
thing or another hardly eased the burden on Tanzanian backs.
I think however that, an important missing ingredient from even your piece
and that of Dr. Ayitteh and Mr. Shirima is the ideological imperative, that,
perhaps more than anything else, inspired and informed the political choices
made by the late Nyerere and other Pan-Africanist leaders of his generation.
With time, I should be able to contribute an opinion on this within the
week.
Last but not the least, I must express disappointment at your choice of
words in your personal references to Mr. Halifa Sallah.
Issues of this weight are a rarity on Gambia-L (my opinion, obviously).
While it did not seem to cloud your judgement, your unnwarranted attack on
Halifa's person seeks to personalise the issue to a degree it does not
deserve.
I hope Mr. Sallah will refrain from taking your cue and instead respond in
such a manner as to accord this debate some decency, lest it becomes one in
the line of casualties of unnecessary net-guerillarism.
Cheers,
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Hi Sidibeh,
Usually, it is not my policy to respond to my readers' viewpoints about me
and my writings. I simply let a free flow of information take place, without
any replies from me however critical or insulting my readers become. The
more speech the merrier. However, there are times, very rare indeed,when I
have to respond if I am grossly represented or when some readers knowingly
or unknowingly are misleading others.
If you would care to re-read my article and contextualize my use of words,
you will find that Halifa's personality was left virtually intact; I am not
interested in harming his personality, I cannot do it. It is indecent to do
just that. Take a sample of my other writings and you will find that I only
tackle the issues, not the persons that formulate these issues.
Personalities interest me very little. I don't care who it is, whether it is
Halifa Sallah,or Nelson Mandela, or Mansa Sakura or Abou Khan, the famous
hunter.
Halifa's ideas as reflected in his posting, and the way his ideas are
chiseled, became the focuse of my article. And I preyed on his ideas with
the vehemence and stridency of oratory,a style often identified with my
other writings. My opinion is there is nothing wrong with that. But then I
may as well be wrong. Thanks for the correspondence.
Cherno B Jallow
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI
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>Cherno Jallow,
>
>You certainly have a point in maintaining that objective judgment of our
>leaders is impossible without giving due consideration to the practical
>consequences of their beliefs and policies. Certainly, Mwalimu saying one
>thing or another hardly eased the burden on Tanzanian backs.
>
>I think however that, an important missing ingredient from even your piece
>and that of Dr. Ayitteh and Mr. Shirima is the ideological imperative,
>that,
>perhaps more than anything else, inspired and informed the political
>choices
>made by the late Nyerere and other Pan-Africanist leaders of his
>generation.
>With time, I should be able to contribute an opinion on this within the
>week.
>
>Last but not the least, I must express disappointment at your choice of
>words in your personal references to Mr. Halifa Sallah.
>Issues of this weight are a rarity on Gambia-L (my opinion, obviously).
>While it did not seem to cloud your judgement, your unnwarranted attack on
>Halifa's person seeks to personalise the issue to a degree it does not
>deserve.
>
>I hope Mr. Sallah will refrain from taking your cue and instead respond in
>such a manner as to accord this debate some decency, lest it becomes one in
>the line of casualties of unnecessary net-guerillarism.
>
>Cheers,
>Momodou Sidibeh
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Sidibeh,
Excuse me, I meant to say, "when I am grossly misrepresented" not
represented. Sorry for the error and hastiness.
Cherno
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>Cherno Jallow,
>
>You certainly have a point in maintaining that objective judgment of our
>leaders is impossible without giving due consideration to the practical
>consequences of their beliefs and policies. Certainly, Mwalimu saying one
>thing or another hardly eased the burden on Tanzanian backs.
>
>I think however that, an important missing ingredient from even your piece
>and that of Dr. Ayitteh and Mr. Shirima is the ideological imperative,
>that,
>perhaps more than anything else, inspired and informed the political
>choices
>made by the late Nyerere and other Pan-Africanist leaders of his
>generation.
>With time, I should be able to contribute an opinion on this within the
>week.
>
>Last but not the least, I must express disappointment at your choice of
>words in your personal references to Mr. Halifa Sallah.
>Issues of this weight are a rarity on Gambia-L (my opinion, obviously).
>While it did not seem to cloud your judgement, your unnwarranted attack on
>Halifa's person seeks to personalise the issue to a degree it does not
>deserve.
>
>I hope Mr. Sallah will refrain from taking your cue and instead respond in
>such a manner as to accord this debate some decency, lest it becomes one in
>the line of casualties of unnecessary net-guerillarism.
>
>Cheers,
>Momodou Sidibeh
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Jaajef wa G-L,
Some job vacancies for those interested.
Yeenduleen ak jaama
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=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7EThe Joint Enrichment Project: Programmes Manager=20=
The Programmes Manager will be responsible for the
overall management of four youth development
programmes:=20
The Reach Out Project
A 12 month programme for young people in inner city
JHB, providing technical skills, psychological
support, lifeskills and basic education.=20
The Youth Work Scheme
A community youth service programme working in
Gauteng, North West and Mpumalanga=20
The Youth Development Initiatives
A community based enterprise programme for young
people in Gauteng. The project is run in conjunction
with the Gauteng Department of Welfare and Population
Development.=20
Project Grimebusters
A pilot project for unemployed young people, exploring
enterprise opportunities in recycling business. The
project is run in conjunction with Ntsika.=20
Key Tasks=20
* Manage the programme plans and budgets of the four
programmes=20
* Supervise the ten staff who work in the programmes=20
* Manage partnerships with government and community
institutions working in the JEP=20
* Manage the monitoring and evaluation process=20
* Ensure adequate documentation and reporting systems
are sustained in each project=20
* Advocate the programme models to all relevant
stakeholders=20
* Identify future partnerships and opportunities for
the programmes.
Requirements of the Position=20
* At least three years project management experience=20
* Experience in managing budgets=20
* At least a Bachelor=27s Degree in Education, Social
Science or equivalent=20
* Experience in working with young people=20
* Comprehensive understanding of the Education and
Training, and Trade and Industry Sectors in South
Africa.=20
* Good writing skills.=20
* Computer skills in Word/Wordperfect, Excel and
Publisher.=20
* Driver=27s Licence=20
* Ability to travel extensively in South Africa.
Interested applicants should submit their CVs and two
written references to
The Dircector of the JEP, Neville Naidoo
P O Box 62024, Marshalltown 2107
Fax 011 834 4955
email: jep=40wn.apc.org
Enquiries: phone 011 834 6865.=20
NICRO: Secretary=20
Secretary to the National Marketing, Fundraising and
Media Director of NICRO=20
NICRO is a non-governmental organisation working
towards a safer South Africa. NICRO specializes in
diverting young offenders from the criminal justice
system, supporting victims of crime, reintegrating
offenders and economic empowerment.=20
NICRO National Office is looking for a highly
motivated and organised secretary to the National
Director for Fundraising, Marketing and Media.=20
The successful candidate will be responsible for
administration of the fundraising, marketing and media
department of NICRO. This will entail management of
the database of funders and secretarial support to the
director (for example travel arrangements, managing a
diary and organisation of special events). This
challenging opportunity to work in a dynamic team is
available immediately.=20
Please send your detailed CV with contactable
references and letter of application to:
Rosemary Shapiro Director:=20
Fundraising, Marketing and Media P O Box 10005=20
Caledon SQuare
7905=20
Tel: 021 422 1225
Fax: 021 422 1550
e-mail: rosebud=40nicro.co.za=20
TRAC:Administrator Secretary=20
General responsibilities of the Administrator include
the following, to:=20
1. Provide administrative/ secretarial support to the
CEO, the members of the Board and other LAMOSA organs.
2. Attend to the accurate and timely typing of
correspondence of the organisation.=20
3. File all correspondence and other documents
relating to the work of the organisation in a timely,
systematic and accurate manner.=20
4. Deal with telephone calls in the absence of the CEO
and Board members and where necessary take accurate
and sufficiently detailed messages on their behalf.=20
5. Attend to faxing, e-mailing, copying and dispatch
of correspondence or documents and the proper
recording of these in appropriate registers.=20
6. Manage the CEO=27s diary commitments.=20
7. Identify urgent matters that need to be brought to
the attention of the CEO.=20
8. Make necessary travel arrangements for the CEO,
Board members and LAMOSA members.=20
9. Attend to all logistical arrangements and arrange
meetings of Board, Communities etc.=20
10. Book accommodation=20
11. Deal with clients and the public in a courteous
and professional manner.=20
12. Order and control ordering of stock, stationery
etc.=20
13. Receive and reconcile all claims submitted.=20
Requirements:=20
* The ideal person should be a good organiser with
sound decision-making skills, interpersonal relations
skills, as well as the ability to work independently=20
* Relevant academic qualifications or life experience
combined with a minimum of 3 years experience as a
secretary=20
* Typing qualification/ training=20
* Computer literacy=20
* Excellent secretarial and administrative skills.=20
* Highly developed interpersonal and communication
skills, and in particular an excellent telephone
manner.=20
* Fluency in at least 2 official languages, of which
only one can be English or Afrikaans=20
The annual remuneration package of the Administrator
is R45 000 per annum.=20
Interested applicants are requested to submit their
cv=27s together with contactable to=20
Brendan Canham at TRAC=20
TEL: (011) 833 1063=20
Chief Executive Officer=20
Reporting to the Board of Trustees, the Chief
Executive Officer is the Executive head of LAMOSA.
She/ he will be responsible for the overall management
and direction of the activities of LAMOSA to ensure
that it meets its objectives and addresses community
needs.=20
Functions:=20
1. Responsible for the management and provision of all
support services - Administration, Finance,
Information Services and Information Technology;=20
2. Ensure efficient financial administration of the
organisation, through the application of appropriate
budgetary controls and procedures;=20
3. The guidance and strategic direction of LAMOSA;=20
4. The creation and maintenance of appropriate
relationships with internal and external stakeholders,
the media, government and international bodies;=20
5. Encourage a delivery and work culture that delivers
results efficiently and effectively, where community
needs are recognised and the work enhances the welfare
of all South Africans.
Requirements:=20
* A tertiary/ academic qualification;=20
* At least 2 years experience in an executive
position;=20
* Excellent administrative and implementation skills;=20
* Advanced financial management skills;=20
* Excellent written and verbal communication skills;=20
* High level inter-personal and communication skills
and experience of team leadership.=20
* Highly developed computer skills;=20
* Project management experience;=20
* Ability to plan, set goals and standards, develop
strategies and measure accomplishments on standard
performance evaluation criteria and methodologies;=20
* A strong commitment and understanding of community
development;=20
* Good understanding of land issues, prominent cases
and their potential implications for the communities
affected;=20
* Understanding of the current socio-political
scenarios;=20
* Ability to communicate a strategic =22vision=22 and
build relationships with stakeholders and clients;
The annual remuneration package will be R96 0000.=20
Interested applicants are requested to submit their
cv=27s together with contactable to
Brendan Canham at TRAC=20
TEL:(011) 833 1063=20
Surplus People Project: Rural Development Research and
Policy Co-ordinator=20
A Rural Development Research and Policy Co-ordinator
is required to manage the work of the above unit. The
unit will act in a support role to other projects at
Surplus People Project, i.e. research support and will
actively engage with government policy. Ideal
candidates should have at least an Honours tertiary
qualification, research project management skills,
human resource management skills, good communication
skills, analytical and interpretative skills, and
excellent writing and computer skills.=20
Please contact Harry May or Glenda Glover at Surplus
People Project to discuss details.=20
Tel: (021) 448 5605 Fax: (021) 448 0105=20
Institute for Security Studies: Programme Assistant=20
Programme Assistant for the Research Programme on
Crime, Policing and Prevention Programme:=20
To work as general secretary to the research staff
dealing on issues relating to crime and policing in
South Africa. The applicant must have a good command
of written and spoken English. Good organisational
skills are a pre-requisite as well as an ability to
work within a high-pressure environment. The ability
to manage an office in an organised and efficient
manner is equally indispensable.=20
Qualifications:=20
* Appropriate secretarial qualifications=20
* Three years secretarial experience=20
* MS Office.
The ISS is an equal opportunity, affirmative action
employer. The closing date for applications is 17
September 1999. All posts will be contract positions
for up to three years. These positions have been made
possible by a grant from the European Union through
the European Programme for Reconstruction and
Development.=20
Please fax or e-mail applications, including your
Curriculum Vitae and at least three current references
to:
Lerato Thobejane
Institute for Security Studies
Fax: 012 46 997
E-mail: lerato=40iss.co.za=20
The National Progressive Primary Health Care Network
(NPPHCN):=20
The National Progressive Primary Health Care Network
(NPPHCN) Media & Training Centre (MTC), based in the
Western Cape, aims to improve Primary Health Care
(PHC) by facilitating (through participatory methods),
the production, use and research of relevant PHC media
targeted at communities and health workers. The MTC
has established partnerships with disadvantaged
communities and other institutions and organisations
working in the health sector in South Africa and other
African countries. We offer challenging one-year
positions to suitable persons in the following
positions:=20
Radio: Projects Manager=20
The successful applicant will provide overall
direction and management to the existing and future
projects of the Radio Unit. Key functions will include
developing operational strategic plans, evaluation of
the Radio Unit and its programmes objectives through
work plans, and supervision, support and capacity
building in other staff members of the Unit. Also
included is the supervision of the production of
Primary Health Care education programmes, as well as
training of community radio broadcasters.=20
Requirements:=20
* A team player with strong leadership and management
skills=20
* An understanding of community radio and the approach
to community participation=20
* Radio programming, editing and production skills=20
* Creative ideas for edu-tainment programming=20
* The ability to train people in community
broadcasting=20
* Proven ability and experience to use digital
production equipment (Apple Mac)=20
* A valid Drivers licence
Radio Producer/Trainer=20
The successful applicant will be responsible for
producing a range of radio programmes and including a
monthly edu-tainment programme for community radio
stations, public service radio announcements, and
short packaged items. These programmes should be
produced through participatory methods. The successful
applicant will also be responsible for training
aspirant and existing community radio broadcasters in
the skills required for successful programme
production and planning. The applicant will work
closely and report directly to the Radio Projects
Manager.=20
Requirements:=20
* A sound understanding of community radio=20
* A working knowledge of radio production and editing=20
* Appropriate skills for training community producers=20
* Creative ideas for radio production=20
* Able to work to deadline=20
* Fluency in English and at least one African language
* Proven ability and experience to use digital
production equipment (Apple Mac)=20
* A valid Drivers licence
Print Project Co-ordinator
The successful applicant will be responsible for
implementing and coordinating the production of a
range of quarterly and monthly publications in support
of MTC=3D92s community radio programmes, community
health workers, as well as other print material needs
of the organization. The applicant will be responsible
for planning and facilitating training workshops for
producing Primary Health Care print materials at
community level.
Requirements:
* A team player with a sound understanding of
community dynamics and the approach to community
participation
* Desktop publishing, writing and editing skills
* Training skills to enable communities to use and
produce print material
* Should be able to work on PageMaker, Freehand and
Photoshop
* A valid drivers license
Competitive salary packages will be offered,
commensurate with qualifications and experience.
Please send a comprehensive Curriculum Vitae with two
references and examples of work to:
The Director,
Media & Training Centre,=20
PO Box 34572,=20
Groote Schuur, 7937,
Fax: 021-447 9483,
E-mail: pphcmtc=40wn.apc.org
The Centre for Rural Legal Studies :=20
The Centre for Rural Legal Studies is an independent
research, advocacy and training organisation dedicated
to the equitable distribution of power and resources
in the rural areas of South Africa.=20
CRLS offers competitive remuneration packages and a
pleasant working environment in Stellenbosch. We
invite applications for the following two posts:=20
Gender Researcher=20
You will lead a dynamic, multi-skilled research,
training and advocacy team in order to co-ordinate
research on land and labour issues in the agricuktural
labour sector design and implement advocacy
interventions assist in developing training materials
act as a resource person=20
You should hold an Honours degree and have project
management and gender research experience, as well as
advanced research, writing, presentation, and advocacy
skills in English and Afrikaans. Basic computer skills
and a valid driving licence are necessary.=20
Trainer=20
You will be part of a training team that develops and
conducts rights-education for farm dwellers and
organisations working in the rural and agricultural
sector. You should have Adult Basic Education
experience, strong administrative and communication
skills, be fluent in at least two regional languages,
and have a valid driving licence.=20
Both posts require an understanding of the
socio-economic context of the rural areas in the
Western Cape.=20
Send applications, including a CV and details of two
contactable referees by 15 September 1999 to
The Director, CRLS,
P.O.Box 1169,=20
Stellenbosch, 7599=20
or e-mail to rulegstu=40iafrica.com=20
South African National NGO Coalition (SANGOCO):
Communications Co-ordinator=20
The South African National NGO Coalition (SANGOCO) is
an umbrella body representing over 4000 NGOs and CBOs
in South Africa.=20
SANGOCO is committed to participatory democracy,
people-centred development and the voluntary sector.
SANGOCO has a vacancy for a Communications
Co-ordinator. Creative, energtic people who enjoy
working in an enthusiastic team should apply.=20
Applicants for the post should have a driver=27s
license, be computer literate (especially in Microsoft
Office), interpersonal skills and understand the NGO
environment. The successful applicant will develop and
manage SANGOCO=27s external communication strategy as
well as drive production of the various publications
of the Coalitions.=20
Responsibilities include:=20
** development and management of a Communications and
Marketing strategy with members, sectors, provinces
and other stakeholders=20
** Marketing and Co-ordinating sales and advertising=20
** Production of regular and occasional publications=20
** Co-ordinating and ensuring the smooth running of
SANGOCO=27s website=20
Competence and personal attributes:=20
Knowledge and skills in DTP, excellent writing skills,
advanced knowledge of computer programmes, editing
skills, advanced understanding of the English
language, good interpersonal skills, interpersonal and
communication skills. SANGOCO offers competitive
salaries in line with qualifications and experience,
and the usual benefits.=20
SANGOCO is an affirmative action employer.=20
If your skills and experience fit in within the above
categories, please send your CV and covering letter
with two contactable references by 30 Nov 1999 to:=20
Deputy Director, SANGOCO, PO Box 31471, Braamfontein
2017, or fax: 011 403 8703 or email:
dudu=40sangoco.org.za=20
Article19, the International Centre Against Censorship
wishes to recruit a new Head of Africa Programme.=20
Article19 promotes freedom of expression and access to
information world wide. We believe that guaranteeing
and protecting these rights is essential to building
strong democracies.=20
This exciting and challenging position will be based
in Article19=27s East and Southern Africa office in
Johannesburg, but will work closely with the
international office based in London.=20
The Head of Programme will be responsible for the
strategic planning and management of the Africa
programme. They will manage staff based in
Johannesburg and in London and will work closely with
the Deputy Director and Executive Director in the
London office. Other Africa programme staff and press
and campaigns staff are based in London; communicating
effectively with them will be an important challenge.
The postholder will contribute to the development of
Article 19=27s global objectives, as well as ensuring
that the Africa programme reflects that global
programme in the most sensitive and appropriate
manner.=20
We are looking for someone with a strong strategic
vision, experience of managing a large budget and the
ability to manage programmes, staff and consultants in
a way that builds an effective team. You will need to
be politically aware of the diverse challenging facing
Africa and how strengthening freedom of expression can
help meet those challenges. Experience of human
rights, of fundraising, of writing and editing are all
highly desirable. You should be proficient in English
and knowledge of another language widely spoken in
Africa would be an advantage.=20
The salary and package will be in the region of
*=FA25-28,000 (approximately 250,000 Rand), pegged to
the *=FA sterling. Some assistance may be given for
relocation, subject to negotiation on the package as a
whole.=20
The contract is initially for two years, renewable
subject to funding. If you believe you can take on
this responsibility, please send your CV, with a
covering letter, to Claudia Motswane, by October 15th
1999.=20
C/o Article19, PO Box 30942, Braamfontein 2017, South
Africa.
Or Fax 00 27 11 403 1517 Or e-mail
Claudia=40article19.org.za
For more information about the post you can e-mail the
Director ofArticle19, Andrew Puddephatt at
andrew=40article19.org or the Deputy Director Malcolm
Smart at malcolm=40article19.org.=20
The Centre for the Study of Violence and
Reconciliation (CSVR)
The Centre for the Study of Violence and
Reconciliation (CSVR) is a multi-disciplinary unit
engaging the services of sociologists, criminologists,
psychologists, social workers, lawyers,
educationalists, historians, and others - all under
one roof. The Centre is seeking to fill the following
vacancies in the Trauma Clinic:=20
Psychologist (Child Therapist)=20
Main function: Coordination and development of trauma
services for children. Skills: Expertise in working
with traumatised children Supervisory, play therapy
experience and group work skills=20
Social Worker (Community Liaison) Main function:
Liaison with existing survivor support groups and
establishing new groups Skills: Experience in
establishing self help groups - facilitating group
therapy Strong networking and interpersonal skills
plus community based experience=20
Psychologist/Social Worker (Trainer) Main function:
Facilitate training. Evaluation and development of
training workshops in trauma and stress management
(for a range of stakeholders) Skills: Facilitation
skill as well as funding proposal writing skills.=20
Requirements for all positions:=20
* Need to be experienced in counseling of trauma
survivors=20
* Appropriate qualifications and/or experience=20
* Registration with professional board=20
* Project Management and networking skills=20
* Committed to working within an NGO environment=20
* Drives License=20
* Willingness to travel (local and national)
Applications/Inquiries to be forwarded to:
Mary Robertson or Human Resources
Fax: 011 - 403 7532
Or post to:=20
P O Box 30778,
Braamfontein 2017
E-mail csvrtrau=40wn.apc.org=20
World University Service of Canada (WUSC):
Education Consultants=20
World University Service of Canada (WUSC) is
considering pursuing a project in Malawi related to
secondary schools and distance education. The project
requires several key personnel, including:=20
Project Manager (Malawi-based) (99-MAL5) - must have
education background with substantial project
management experience, and developing country
experience, preferably Africa=20
Distance Education Specialist (99-MAL12) - must have
education background, with distance education, teacher
education and curriculum development experience, and
developing country experience, preferably Africa.=20
Gender Specialist (99MAL16) - must have education and
gender experience, and developing country experience,
preferably Africa.=20
If you are interested in any of these opportunities,
please forward a copy of CV to Holly Batten
immediately at: holly=40wusc.ca=20
Please quote the reference number listed.=20
Oak Human Rights Fellowship=20
The Oak Institute for the Study of International Human
Rights at Colby College is pleased to issue a call for
nominations for the Oak Human Rights Fellowship.=20
The Oak Institute was made possible through a major
grant from the Oak Foundation and, each year, sponsors
a Fellow to teach and conduct research while in
residence at Colby. The purpose of the fellowship is
to offer an opportunity for prominent practitioners in
international human rights to take a sabbatical leave
from their work and spend a period of up to a semester
as a scholar-in-residence at the College. This
provides the Fellow time for reflection, research, and
writing.=20
While all human rights practitioners are eligible, we
especially encourage applications from those who are
currently or were recently involved in =22on-the-ground=22
work at some level of personal risk. The Oak Fellow=27s
responsibilities include regular meetings with
students either through formal classes or informal
discussion groups and assistance in shaping a lecture
series or symposium associated with the particular
aspect of human rights of interest to the fellow.=20
The fellow also is expected to participate in the
intellectual life of the campus and enable our
students to work or study with a professional in the
human rights field. The Fellow will receive a stipend
and College (=2425-30,000), fringe benefits, plus
round-trip transportation from the fellow=27s home site,
housing for a family, use of a car, and meals on
campus. The Fellow will also receive research support,
including office space, secretarial support, computer
and library facilities, and a student assistant.=20
Nominations for Oak Fellows for the 2000-01 academic
year should be sent to: Eliza Deneoux or
Professor Kenneth Rodman
Government Department
Colby College
Waterville
Maine 04901=20
e-mail: oakhr=40colby.edu
fax: 207-872-3263/3474; phone: 207-872-3813/3270 no
later than November 1, 1999.=20
Completed applications must arrive no later than
November 28, 1999. Information and application forms
are available on the institute=27s World Wide Web site
at www.colby.edu/oak.=20
The selection of the Oak Fellow will be announced by
February 1, 2000.=20
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REVOLUTIONARY GREETINGS, FELLOW AFRIKANS
The response that Hallifa Sallah gave to that unenlightened and misleading
article by 'Dr.' Ayitteh and his Tanzania friend with an Eastern European
name, is very timely, appropriate and conclusive. But I would like to also
add to what Mr. Sallah said, for I believe, as I indicated in my response to
another similarly malicious article by the ex-editor of the New Afrikan
magazine Alan Rake some time ago in which he attempted to destroy our
leaders, that today's Afrikan youths are alert and ready at any time to
crush any neo-colonialist/imperialist unAfrikan maneuvres by any means
necessary! We are alert and we are going to take a pro-active stand now, for
as we see it, it's either us the youths to defend the motherland and her
people or we perish. We prefer to take the first choice, and we will execute
it effectively and successfully! Yes!
I am not going to repeat what Hallifa said, but I would like to ask the
so-called intellectuals some simple questions and observations.
When Nyerere died who asked millions of Tanzanians to weep and moan, and
spend their whole time glued to their tv and radio sets in the most
sorrowful manner? Remember Ayitteh and his friend told us that these same
people were forced out of their homes in the name of villagization
programmes, in which many lost their lives and property!
Who told the president Benjamin Mkappa to declare a 30-day mourning, and to
give the Mwalimu a state funeral?
Who put all those words of praise and admiration in the mouths of all the
presidents and world leaders in tribute to the Mwalimu?
Do you think that 'Dr.' Ayitteh and Ludovich are the wisest and the most
educated people than the people of Tanzania?
Do you think that these two pseudo-intellectuals know Nyerere and his time
of rule more than the common people of Tanzania?
This is the problem of our 'intellectuals'. They always feel they know more
than the rest, and so they alone can say it best. No one can fool the
people. I know that a people can make a wrong decision or choice but it does
not mean you have fooled them. When Mobutu was in power, despite his
recklessness the people did sing for him and danced for him. And am sure he
felt that he was fooling the people, but when Laurent Kabila attacked where
were the dancers and the singers? Why did they not die for him this time?
When he died who wept and mourned? So you can see that while he thought he
was fooling the people, the people know fully well that in fact Mobutu is
the biggest fool, and sometimes as they say do not argue with a fool, for
people might not see the difference; and so what prevails under such
leadership is for everyone to be busy about one's survival by any means,
which unfortunately most of the time breeds corruption, nepotism, and even
war as seen in the Congo. In my little Gambia, we did dance for Sir Dawda
Jawara , but nobody shook when the army overthrew him in 1994. So, in
passing, this is a clear warning to all leaders who may think that because
people sing and dance for you, you are loved and revered. No. The people
know what they want, even tho' sometimes the choice is misguided because of
ignorance and fear and greed. These are the main reasons why we make
mistakes.
So back to Nyerere...I think if he was what the false intellectuals wanted
us to believe then we would not have seen the people of Tanzania and their
government getting so busy, especially if you know that Nyerere was not an
admirer of the system in his country. Now can Ludovich tell us for whom was
he speaking, and why he is writing such a base thing? Are you pushed by some
dollars or promised a professorship by a department of the US governemnt or
a university in America?
And now to Ghana...I was in Ghana, at the University of Ghana, Legon where I
graduated in June 1999. During my stay in Ghana I undertook a special study
of Nkrumah and his government and the Ghanaian society, especially the
intellectual community. I have spent my own funds, which got me so stranded
at one point, to buy materials about Nkrumah and Ghana, to travel AROUND
Accra and Ghana, and pay for services even from market women to study the
impact of Nkrumah on his compatriots, and how come he was so disliked by the
people. I had held discussions for whole nights; I had abandoned my classes,
and had even co-founded the first Pan-Afrikan movement at legon since
Nkrumah was overthrown in 1966, all in the attempt to know Nkrumah and the
people of Ghana. I had discussions with students and lecturers alike, and am
proud to say that I had single-handedly changed the syllabus of a whole
course in the philosophy department from Western Social and Political
Philosophy to Pan-Afrikanism and Nkrumaism! This is no mere talking or
boastfulness, you can contact Legon Philosophy Department, or any philosophy
student who graduated this year. In fact I had recommended to the Department
that we should have a whole course on the Philosophy of Kwame Nkrumah, who I
consider the leading philosopher this century, amd the leading statesman in
the world this century. I am ready to defend my claims if anybody so wishes
to challenge me. I am saying all this because as Nkrumah himself used to
say, it is time for plain talk!!! After having said all of this, I would
like to tell you that what 'Dr.' Ayitteh wrote is not a surprise to me for I
know it is a typical attitude of many a Ghaanaian intellectual. I do not
want to name names at this time, but in my discussions with some of the
professors at legon I heard some of the most sickening ideas about Nkrumah,
Pan-Afrikanism and Afrika. One Professor told me that Legon is suffering
because when Nkrumah was in power he brought communism, and drove away all
investors, and the country is still suffering from that. This is why, he
said , that they could not equip the school adequately. This professor, I
know, does not even know how he was educated!!!YES. He went to college FREE
OF CHARGE WITH THREE SQUARE MEALS!!!!!!!!He clearly does not know anything
about Nkrumah. He does not know that Legon was made a full university by
Nkrumah, and all the structures at Legon today were built by Nkrumah, and
the facilities there then were the best any one can have.And at that time it
was Nkrumah who was in power, not Jesus or God, and the period was not made
specially for him. I have also found out that over 99 percent, and I repeat
OVER 99 PERCENT of the students have never, and I repeat NEVER read a book
written by Nkrumah, but they spend their valuable time castigating Nkrumah,
whose government laid the foundation on which Ghana survives today. I have
found out that almost anything that makes Ghana move today was set up by
Nkrumah, and you take all the subsequent governments of Ghana and you put
them together, they do not come even an inch near the achievements of the
Osagyefo. I also talked to people about ethnicity and Nkrumah, and one of
the leading sociology professors at Legon, Dr. Nukunya, did rightly indicate
that one of the things that Nkrumah should be best remembered for is his
fight against tribalism, which Nkrumah himself did realise, and in one of
his meetings with Afrikan freedom fighters he highlighted tribalism as one
thing that they need to take note of, otherwise which he said could
jeopardise all our efforts. I have found out that, for example the Ewes do
not seem to like him because he strategically removed the Akomsombo Dam from
their region. This was in response to the conflict between Togo and Ghana
over its border and the fate of that part of their countries. You have Ewes
in both countries on both sides of their border, and because of the fear
that British Togoland may go to Togo, Nkrumah then redrew the regions of
Ghana to make sure even if that part did go to Togo the already built dam
will remain in Ghana, thus the Volta region of the Ewes was denied the dam,
but not the ELECTRICITY. But again I found out that the reason why you have
the Ewes with the highest number of intellectuals is because Nkrumah created
a programme which gives them scholarships from the wealth of the other rich
regions such as the Ashanti. And for that matter I discovered that the
Ashantis could not see the wisdom for regions to share and help each other,
and so they disliked the man. Secondly I also discovered that the federal
constitution the colonialist imposed on Ghana was going to make Ashanti the
biggest region in terms of people, resources and land size. Furthermore,
that constitution puts the Ashantehene above the laws that govern
chieftaincy matters, and consequently making him almost a parallel
president. Nkrumah sensed that such a constitution was going to create
conflict in Ghana one day and thus rejected it until a better one was made
by Ghanaians themselves, but which made the Ashantehene as equal to any
other king in Ghana under the laws. The Ashanti never liked this. But
Nkrumah said the colonial imposed constitution is almost like selling Ghana
to the Ashantis! He made such warnings to the leaders of Nigeria who were
also forced to accept a colonial federal constitution, but they refused, and
today the regions of Nigeria are the biggest obstacle to their unity asnd
progress. I found out too that Ashantis have a problem with Nkrumah
concerning JB Danquah, who was jailed and later died in prison. They
consider him as the doyen of Ghanaian politics, and he was a big time
lawyer. But he was nothing other than a neo-colonialsit agent and a
brain-washed intellectual. During the independence struggle before he broke
away with Nkrumah, he was very furious for being detained by the
colonialist, and blamed Nkrumah for that. He was not ready to suffer such
for his people! He can be said to be the Ayitteh of today, or Ayitteh to be
the Danquah of yesterday. Also I noticed that the Gas and the northerners
were not fully comfortable with Nkrumah because of the confusion some chiefs
in Accra and intellectuals created, all in the sefish interest of
themselves. Nkrumah exposed them all, and he had constanly beaten them in
elections, even when he was in jail.So out of frustration and jealousy these
chiefs and intellectuals embarked on a campaign of smear and lies to destroy
Nkrumah. When he was overthrown by the USA, Britain and Israel with the aid
of some unpatriotic Ghanaian soldiers, it was these same intellectuals used
to discredit Nkrumah. His books were burned and his statues and projects
destroyed and abandoned. I have found several incomplete buildings for
schools, hospitals, farms etc etc scattered all over Ghana. One which really
touched my heart was the mental hospital called Pantam, just after Adenta in
the outskirts of Accra. I visited the place and when you enter that
compound, you would at once realise that this cannot be the work of a
dictator or a sterile leader. However I must say also that I really did meet
very conscious and patriotic intellectuals in Ghana, whom am really proud
of. I have also found very conscious students and common people in the
markets, taxi drivers, farmers and business people, who speak of Nkrumah
with so much emotion and nostalgia and love.
I am forced to approach this issue in this manner, because sometimes we need
to know the kind of people who speak and from where they are speaking. If
the Ayittehs and his friends want us to believe what they said then we need
to ask lot of questions which really contradict their argument. And for
those who condemn Hallifa Sallah for speaking the truth about Nyerere and
Nkrumah should seriously tackle the issue than to pester us with all the big
words they can find in a dictionary. Mr. Sallah is doing a good job in
Afrika, for he is raising the consciousness of the people. If you people
over there think that the west is great and exceptional, then it means you
do ot know the history of the west, neither the history of Afrika. This is
really sad. Hallifa does not only speak, he acts. He is consistent,a patriot
and a teacher, who prefers to be poor with his people, than to run away from
his people and contribute to the advancement of other people. If Ayitteh
thinks he is an intellectual and has written so much, and loves his people
then let him go back to Ghana and help the people with his knowledge, than
to hide in America, teaching their people, contributing to their economy and
defending them, while his own people are languishing in poverty and
ignorance. For me a person like Hallifa is the intellectual...a man of the
mind, and not of heart and desires. If you are a man of intellect, then your
heart should be filled with love for your people, the love to serve
regardless of wealth, the love for truth and enlightenment. Can Ayitteh and
his friend claim to have such an intellect and heart? For those Gambians who
sit in the USA and condemn Hallifa, you do not even deserve to be replied
to. I am making this comment only to allow other people who might not
understand the issue not to fall victim to your emptiness. Hallifa is the
bravest and the most righteous Gambia leader since Edward Francis Small.
While most of us ran away from Sir Dawda and Yaya Jammeh, Hallifa stood and
spoke for the people with courage, without a gun, a pen nor a paper in his
hand. He stood with the arsenal of truth in his heart and spoke it with his
mouth, and he is still speaking the same language. He went to school in
America, and he could have stayed there like all of you, but he decided to
come home, because he understood that the development and freedom of the
Gambia and Afrika is the responsibility of Afrikans, and the fight has to be
done at home, not from abroad. The Ayittehs and his likes would do Afrika a
great service if they come home amnd together we work for our people, than
to sit down there and promoting the interest of the west against us. Whether
you know it or not your every second stay in the west is a contribution to
their development, and a contirbution to our backwardness. If you have
gained your knowledge and finished your schooling why are you staying there?
If you have all come home and together we struggle it out, do you think we
would be like this, with bad leaders. Come home and stop bragging out there,
what you have not realised is that the westerners are even laughinhg at you,
saying look at these fools. The struggle is in Afrika and it can only be
fought in Afrika. America is like this today because their people fought for
their liberation, not in Europe but in America itself!! Some of you
intellectuals who claim to have a PHD sometimes make me think that going to
school sometimes is a waste of time, for one would expect correct thinking
should come from the PHD holders, but what Ayitteh and his friend are
showing us is that the dullest thinking most of the time comes from PHD
holders. Think about it.
madi
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Brothers Kabir Njie & Buharry Gassama,
It saddens me and my family to have learnt - from Sister Ndey Jobarteh last
night - of the death of a relative of yours, Fatou Touray, who I understand,
passed away in Norway.
My family and I hereby extend our heartfelt condolences to the entire
bereaved family on this sad loss.
May her soul rest in eternal peace.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
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Assalaamu alaikum
Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji'uun. Allumma ajurna fee museebatina
wakhlulana khairan minha. To Allah we belong and toHim is the return. May
Allah make us bear the loss and recompense us with good in place of what we
lost.
May Allah shower her with mercy and forgiveness.
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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Jaarejef Tony,
Did you at one time post on the list a vacancy in broadcasting somewhere in southern Africa ? Grateful if
you could send me a copy of the vacancy announcement, if you still have it or anybody could be of help.
Chi Jamma . Bo Tejan
Tony Cisse wrote:
> Jaajef wa G-L,
>
> Some job vacancies for those interested.
>
> Yeenduleen ak jaama
>
> Tony
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The Joint Enrichment Project: Programmes Manager
> The Programmes Manager will be responsible for the
> overall management of four youth development
> programmes:
> The Reach Out Project
> A 12 month programme for young people in inner city
> JHB, providing technical skills, psychological
> support, lifeskills and basic education.
> The Youth Work Scheme
> A community youth service programme working in
> Gauteng, North West and Mpumalanga
> The Youth Development Initiatives
> A community based enterprise programme for young
> people in Gauteng. The project is run in conjunction
> with the Gauteng Department of Welfare and Population
> Development.
> Project Grimebusters
> A pilot project for unemployed young people, exploring
> enterprise opportunities in recycling business. The
> project is run in conjunction with Ntsika.
> Key Tasks
> * Manage the programme plans and budgets of the four
> programmes
> * Supervise the ten staff who work in the programmes
> * Manage partnerships with government and community
> institutions working in the JEP
> * Manage the monitoring and evaluation process
> * Ensure adequate documentation and reporting systems
> are sustained in each project
> * Advocate the programme models to all relevant
> stakeholders
> * Identify future partnerships and opportunities for
> the programmes.
> Requirements of the Position
> * At least three years project management experience
> * Experience in managing budgets
> * At least a Bachelor's Degree in Education, Social
> Science or equivalent
> * Experience in working with young people
> * Comprehensive understanding of the Education and
> Training, and Trade and Industry Sectors in South
> Africa.
> * Good writing skills.
> * Computer skills in Word/Wordperfect, Excel and
> Publisher.
> * Driver's Licence
> * Ability to travel extensively in South Africa.
> Interested applicants should submit their CVs and two
> written references to
> The Dircector of the JEP, Neville Naidoo
> P O Box 62024, Marshalltown 2107
> Fax 011 834 4955
> email: [log in to unmask]
> Enquiries: phone 011 834 6865.
>
> NICRO: Secretary
> Secretary to the National Marketing, Fundraising and
> Media Director of NICRO
> NICRO is a non-governmental organisation working
> towards a safer South Africa. NICRO specializes in
> diverting young offenders from the criminal justice
> system, supporting victims of crime, reintegrating
> offenders and economic empowerment.
> NICRO National Office is looking for a highly
> motivated and organised secretary to the National
> Director for Fundraising, Marketing and Media.
> The successful candidate will be responsible for
> administration of the fundraising, marketing and media
> department of NICRO. This will entail management of
> the database of funders and secretarial support to the
> director (for example travel arrangements, managing a
> diary and organisation of special events). This
> challenging opportunity to work in a dynamic team is
> available immediately.
> Please send your detailed CV with contactable
> references and letter of application to:
> Rosemary Shapiro Director:
> Fundraising, Marketing and Media P O Box 10005
> Caledon SQuare
> 7905
> Tel: 021 422 1225
> Fax: 021 422 1550
> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
>
> TRAC:Administrator Secretary
> General responsibilities of the Administrator include
> the following, to:
> 1. Provide administrative/ secretarial support to the
> CEO, the members of the Board and other LAMOSA organs.
>
> 2. Attend to the accurate and timely typing of
> correspondence of the organisation.
> 3. File all correspondence and other documents
> relating to the work of the organisation in a timely,
> systematic and accurate manner.
> 4. Deal with telephone calls in the absence of the CEO
> and Board members and where necessary take accurate
> and sufficiently detailed messages on their behalf.
> 5. Attend to faxing, e-mailing, copying and dispatch
> of correspondence or documents and the proper
> recording of these in appropriate registers.
> 6. Manage the CEO's diary commitments.
> 7. Identify urgent matters that need to be brought to
> the attention of the CEO.
> 8. Make necessary travel arrangements for the CEO,
> Board members and LAMOSA members.
> 9. Attend to all logistical arrangements and arrange
> meetings of Board, Communities etc.
> 10. Book accommodation
> 11. Deal with clients and the public in a courteous
> and professional manner.
> 12. Order and control ordering of stock, stationery
> etc.
> 13. Receive and reconcile all claims submitted.
> Requirements:
> * The ideal person should be a good organiser with
> sound decision-making skills, interpersonal relations
> skills, as well as the ability to work independently
> * Relevant academic qualifications or life experience
> combined with a minimum of 3 years experience as a
> secretary
> * Typing qualification/ training
> * Computer literacy
> * Excellent secretarial and administrative skills.
> * Highly developed interpersonal and communication
> skills, and in particular an excellent telephone
> manner.
> * Fluency in at least 2 official languages, of which
> only one can be English or Afrikaans
> The annual remuneration package of the Administrator
> is R45 000 per annum.
> Interested applicants are requested to submit their
> cv's together with contactable to
> Brendan Canham at TRAC
> TEL: (011) 833 1063
> Chief Executive Officer
> Reporting to the Board of Trustees, the Chief
> Executive Officer is the Executive head of LAMOSA.
> She/ he will be responsible for the overall management
> and direction of the activities of LAMOSA to ensure
> that it meets its objectives and addresses community
> needs.
> Functions:
> 1. Responsible for the management and provision of all
> support services - Administration, Finance,
> Information Services and Information Technology;
> 2. Ensure efficient financial administration of the
> organisation, through the application of appropriate
> budgetary controls and procedures;
> 3. The guidance and strategic direction of LAMOSA;
> 4. The creation and maintenance of appropriate
> relationships with internal and external stakeholders,
> the media, government and international bodies;
> 5. Encourage a delivery and work culture that delivers
> results efficiently and effectively, where community
> needs are recognised and the work enhances the welfare
> of all South Africans.
> Requirements:
> * A tertiary/ academic qualification;
> * At least 2 years experience in an executive
> position;
> * Excellent administrative and implementation skills;
> * Advanced financial management skills;
> * Excellent written and verbal communication skills;
> * High level inter-personal and communication skills
> and experience of team leadership.
> * Highly developed computer skills;
> * Project management experience;
> * Ability to plan, set goals and standards, develop
> strategies and measure accomplishments on standard
> performance evaluation criteria and methodologies;
> * A strong commitment and understanding of community
> development;
> * Good understanding of land issues, prominent cases
> and their potential implications for the communities
> affected;
> * Understanding of the current socio-political
> scenarios;
> * Ability to communicate a strategic "vision" and
> build relationships with stakeholders and clients;
> The annual remuneration package will be R96 0000.
> Interested applicants are requested to submit their
> cv's together with contactable to
> Brendan Canham at TRAC
> TEL:(011) 833 1063
>
> Surplus People Project: Rural Development Research and
> Policy Co-ordinator
> A Rural Development Research and Policy Co-ordinator
> is required to manage the work of the above unit. The
> unit will act in a support role to other projects at
> Surplus People Project, i.e. research support and will
> actively engage with government policy. Ideal
> candidates should have at least an Honours tertiary
> qualification, research project management skills,
> human resource management skills, good communication
> skills, analytical and interpretative skills, and
> excellent writing and computer skills.
> Please contact Harry May or Glenda Glover at Surplus
> People Project to discuss details.
> Tel: (021) 448 5605 Fax: (021) 448 0105
>
> Institute for Security Studies: Programme Assistant
> Programme Assistant for the Research Programme on
> Crime, Policing and Prevention Programme:
> To work as general secretary to the research staff
> dealing on issues relating to crime and policing in
> South Africa. The applicant must have a good command
> of written and spoken English. Good organisational
> skills are a pre-requisite as well as an ability to
> work within a high-pressure environment. The ability
> to manage an office in an organised and efficient
> manner is equally indispensable.
> Qualifications:
> * Appropriate secretarial qualifications
> * Three years secretarial experience
> * MS Office.
> The ISS is an equal opportunity, affirmative action
> employer. The closing date for applications is 17
> September 1999. All posts will be contract positions
> for up to three years. These positions have been made
> possible by a grant from the European Union through
> the European Programme for Reconstruction and
> Development.
> Please fax or e-mail applications, including your
> Curriculum Vitae and at least three current references
> to:
> Lerato Thobejane
> Institute for Security Studies
> Fax: 012 46 997
> E-mail: [log in to unmask]
>
> The National Progressive Primary Health Care Network
> (NPPHCN):
> The National Progressive Primary Health Care Network
> (NPPHCN) Media & Training Centre (MTC), based in the
> Western Cape, aims to improve Primary Health Care
> (PHC) by facilitating (through participatory methods),
> the production, use and research of relevant PHC media
> targeted at communities and health workers. The MTC
> has established partnerships with disadvantaged
> communities and other institutions and organisations
> working in the health sector in South Africa and other
> African countries. We offer challenging one-year
> positions to suitable persons in the following
> positions:
> Radio: Projects Manager
> The successful applicant will provide overall
> direction and management to the existing and future
> projects of the Radio Unit. Key functions will include
> developing operational strategic plans, evaluation of
> the Radio Unit and its programmes objectives through
> work plans, and supervision, support and capacity
> building in other staff members of the Unit. Also
> included is the supervision of the production of
> Primary Health Care education programmes, as well as
> training of community radio broadcasters.
> Requirements:
> * A team player with strong leadership and management
> skills
> * An understanding of community radio and the approach
> to community participation
> * Radio programming, editing and production skills
> * Creative ideas for edu-tainment programming
> * The ability to train people in community
> broadcasting
> * Proven ability and experience to use digital
> production equipment (Apple Mac)
> * A valid Drivers licence
> Radio Producer/Trainer
> The successful applicant will be responsible for
> producing a range of radio programmes and including a
> monthly edu-tainment programme for community radio
> stations, public service radio announcements, and
> short packaged items. These programmes should be
> produced through participatory methods. The successful
> applicant will also be responsible for training
> aspirant and existing community radio broadcasters in
> the skills required for successful programme
> production and planning. The applicant will work
> closely and report directly to the Radio Projects
> Manager.
> Requirements:
> * A sound understanding of community radio
> * A working knowledge of radio production and editing
> * Appropriate skills for training community producers
> * Creative ideas for radio production
> * Able to work to deadline
> * Fluency in English and at least one African language
>
> * Proven ability and experience to use digital
> production equipment (Apple Mac)
> * A valid Drivers licence
> Print Project Co-ordinator
> The successful applicant will be responsible for
> implementing and coordinating the production of a
> range of quarterly and monthly publications in support
> of MTC=92s community radio programmes, community
> health workers, as well as other print material needs
> of the organization. The applicant will be responsible
> for planning and facilitating training workshops for
> producing Primary Health Care print materials at
> community level.
> Requirements:
> * A team player with a sound understanding of
> community dynamics and the approach to community
> participation
> * Desktop publishing, writing and editing skills
> * Training skills to enable communities to use and
> produce print material
> * Should be able to work on PageMaker, Freehand and
> Photoshop
> * A valid drivers license
> Competitive salary packages will be offered,
> commensurate with qualifications and experience.
> Please send a comprehensive Curriculum Vitae with two
> references and examples of work to:
> The Director,
> Media & Training Centre,
> PO Box 34572,
> Groote Schuur, 7937,
> Fax: 021-447 9483,
> E-mail: [log in to unmask]
>
> The Centre for Rural Legal Studies :
> The Centre for Rural Legal Studies is an independent
> research, advocacy and training organisation dedicated
> to the equitable distribution of power and resources
> in the rural areas of South Africa.
> CRLS offers competitive remuneration packages and a
> pleasant working environment in Stellenbosch. We
> invite applications for the following two posts:
> Gender Researcher
> You will lead a dynamic, multi-skilled research,
> training and advocacy team in order to co-ordinate
> research on land and labour issues in the agricuktural
> labour sector design and implement advocacy
> interventions assist in developing training materials
> act as a resource person
> You should hold an Honours degree and have project
> management and gender research experience, as well as
> advanced research, writing, presentation, and advocacy
> skills in English and Afrikaans. Basic computer skills
> and a valid driving licence are necessary.
> Trainer
> You will be part of a training team that develops and
> conducts rights-education for farm dwellers and
> organisations working in the rural and agricultural
> sector. You should have Adult Basic Education
> experience, strong administrative and communication
> skills, be fluent in at least two regional languages,
> and have a valid driving licence.
> Both posts require an understanding of the
> socio-economic context of the rural areas in the
> Western Cape.
> Send applications, including a CV and details of two
> contactable referees by 15 September 1999 to
> The Director, CRLS,
> P.O.Box 1169,
> Stellenbosch, 7599
> or e-mail to [log in to unmask]
>
> South African National NGO Coalition (SANGOCO):
> Communications Co-ordinator
> The South African National NGO Coalition (SANGOCO) is
> an umbrella body representing over 4000 NGOs and CBOs
> in South Africa.
> SANGOCO is committed to participatory democracy,
> people-centred development and the voluntary sector.
> SANGOCO has a vacancy for a Communications
> Co-ordinator. Creative, energtic people who enjoy
> working in an enthusiastic team should apply.
> Applicants for the post should have a driver's
> license, be computer literate (especially in Microsoft
> Office), interpersonal skills and understand the NGO
> environment. The successful applicant will develop and
> manage SANGOCO's external communication strategy as
> well as drive production of the various publications
> of the Coalitions.
> Responsibilities include:
> ** development and management of a Communications and
> Marketing strategy with members, sectors, provinces
> and other stakeholders
> ** Marketing and Co-ordinating sales and advertising
> ** Production of regular and occasional publications
> ** Co-ordinating and ensuring the smooth running of
> SANGOCO's website
> Competence and personal attributes:
> Knowledge and skills in DTP, excellent writing skills,
> advanced knowledge of computer programmes, editing
> skills, advanced understanding of the English
> language, good interpersonal skills, interpersonal and
> communication skills. SANGOCO offers competitive
> salaries in line with qualifications and experience,
> and the usual benefits.
> SANGOCO is an affirmative action employer.
> If your skills and experience fit in within the above
> categories, please send your CV and covering letter
> with two contactable references by 30 Nov 1999 to:
> Deputy Director, SANGOCO, PO Box 31471, Braamfontein
> 2017, or fax: 011 403 8703 or email:
> [log in to unmask]
>
> Article19, the International Centre Against Censorship
> wishes to recruit a new Head of Africa Programme.
> Article19 promotes freedom of expression and access to
> information world wide. We believe that guaranteeing
> and protecting these rights is essential to building
> strong democracies.
> This exciting and challenging position will be based
> in Article19's East and Southern Africa office in
> Johannesburg, but will work closely with the
> international office based in London.
> The Head of Programme will be responsible for the
> strategic planning and management of the Africa
> programme. They will manage staff based in
> Johannesburg and in London and will work closely with
> the Deputy Director and Executive Director in the
> London office. Other Africa programme staff and press
> and campaigns staff are based in London; communicating
> effectively with them will be an important challenge.
> The postholder will contribute to the development of
> Article 19's global objectives, as well as ensuring
> that the Africa programme reflects that global
> programme in the most sensitive and appropriate
> manner.
> We are looking for someone with a strong strategic
> vision, experience of managing a large budget and the
> ability to manage programmes, staff and consultants in
> a way that builds an effective team. You will need to
> be politically aware of the diverse challenging facing
> Africa and how strengthening freedom of expression can
> help meet those challenges. Experience of human
> rights, of fundraising, of writing and editing are all
> highly desirable. You should be proficient in English
> and knowledge of another language widely spoken in
> Africa would be an advantage.
> The salary and package will be in the region of
> *ú25-28,000 (approximately 250,000 Rand), pegged to
> the *ú sterling. Some assistance may be given for
> relocation, subject to negotiation on the package as a
> whole.
> The contract is initially for two years, renewable
> subject to funding. If you believe you can take on
> this responsibility, please send your CV, with a
> covering letter, to Claudia Motswane, by October 15th
> 1999.
> C/o Article19, PO Box 30942, Braamfontein 2017, South
> Africa.
> Or Fax 00 27 11 403 1517 Or e-mail
> [log in to unmask]
> For more information about the post you can e-mail the
> Director ofArticle19, Andrew Puddephatt at
> [log in to unmask] or the Deputy Director Malcolm
> Smart at [log in to unmask]
>
> The Centre for the Study of Violence and
> Reconciliation (CSVR)
> The Centre for the Study of Violence and
> Reconciliation (CSVR) is a multi-disciplinary unit
> engaging the services of sociologists, criminologists,
> psychologists, social workers, lawyers,
> educationalists, historians, and others - all under
> one roof. The Centre is seeking to fill the following
> vacancies in the Trauma Clinic:
> Psychologist (Child Therapist)
> Main function: Coordination and development of trauma
> services for children. Skills: Expertise in working
> with traumatised children Supervisory, play therapy
> experience and group work skills
> Social Worker (Community Liaison) Main function:
> Liaison with existing survivor support groups and
> establishing new groups Skills: Experience in
> establishing self help groups - facilitating group
> therapy Strong networking and interpersonal skills
> plus community based experience
> Psychologist/Social Worker (Trainer) Main function:
> Facilitate training. Evaluation and development of
> training workshops in trauma and stress management
> (for a range of stakeholders) Skills: Facilitation
> skill as well as funding proposal writing skills.
> Requirements for all positions:
> * Need to be experienced in counseling of trauma
> survivors
> * Appropriate qualifications and/or experience
> * Registration with professional board
> * Project Management and networking skills
> * Committed to working within an NGO environment
> * Drives License
> * Willingness to travel (local and national)
> Applications/Inquiries to be forwarded to:
> Mary Robertson or Human Resources
> Fax: 011 - 403 7532
> Or post to:
> P O Box 30778,
> Braamfontein 2017
> E-mail [log in to unmask]
>
> World University Service of Canada (WUSC):
>
> Education Consultants
> World University Service of Canada (WUSC) is
> considering pursuing a project in Malawi related to
> secondary schools and distance education. The project
> requires several key personnel, including:
> Project Manager (Malawi-based) (99-MAL5) - must have
> education background with substantial project
> management experience, and developing country
> experience, preferably Africa
> Distance Education Specialist (99-MAL12) - must have
> education background, with distance education, teacher
> education and curriculum development experience, and
> developing country experience, preferably Africa.
> Gender Specialist (99MAL16) - must have education and
> gender experience, and developing country experience,
> preferably Africa.
> If you are interested in any of these opportunities,
> please forward a copy of CV to Holly Batten
> immediately at: [log in to unmask]
> Please quote the reference number listed.
>
> Oak Human Rights Fellowship
> The Oak Institute for the Study of International Human
> Rights at Colby College is pleased to issue a call for
> nominations for the Oak Human Rights Fellowship.
> The Oak Institute was made possible through a major
> grant from the Oak Foundation and, each year, sponsors
> a Fellow to teach and conduct research while in
> residence at Colby. The purpose of the fellowship is
> to offer an opportunity for prominent practitioners in
> international human rights to take a sabbatical leave
> from their work and spend a period of up to a semester
> as a scholar-in-residence at the College. This
> provides the Fellow time for reflection, research, and
> writing.
> While all human rights practitioners are eligible, we
> especially encourage applications from those who are
> currently or were recently involved in "on-the-ground"
> work at some level of personal risk. The Oak Fellow's
> responsibilities include regular meetings with
> students either through formal classes or informal
> discussion groups and assistance in shaping a lecture
> series or symposium associated with the particular
> aspect of human rights of interest to the fellow.
> The fellow also is expected to participate in the
> intellectual life of the campus and enable our
> students to work or study with a professional in the
> human rights field. The Fellow will receive a stipend
> and College ($25-30,000), fringe benefits, plus
> round-trip transportation from the fellow's home site,
> housing for a family, use of a car, and meals on
> campus. The Fellow will also receive research support,
> including office space, secretarial support, computer
> and library facilities, and a student assistant.
> Nominations for Oak Fellows for the 2000-01 academic
> year should be sent to: Eliza Deneoux or
> Professor Kenneth Rodman
> Government Department
> Colby College
> Waterville
> Maine 04901
> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> fax: 207-872-3263/3474; phone: 207-872-3813/3270 no
> later than November 1, 1999.
> Completed applications must arrive no later than
> November 28, 1999. Information and application forms
> are available on the institute's World Wide Web site
> at www.colby.edu/oak.
> The selection of the Oak Fellow will be announced by
> February 1, 2000.
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REPORT OF FRAUD AT PRISONS,
IMMIGRATIONS & LOCAL COUNCILS
The House committee on Finance and Public accounts
report on the Auditor General's report of December 1998
currently before the National assembly has uncovered major
discrepancies and irregularities in the departments of
Prisons, Immigration and Local counsils as hundreds of
thousands of dalasis went missing.
Goods paid but not delivered to the tune of D80,000 as well
as items donated by charitable organisations are
unaccounted for.
An amount of D4,237.49 collected from prisoners and a cash
seizure of D2,050 was missing from the Mile two prisons
safe.
IMMIGRATION: In January 1996, it was found that receipt
books valued at D10,200 could not be accounted for at the
passport section.
KANIFING MUNICIPAL COUNCIL: The report revealed that
D173,394 collected between April and September 1996
cannot be accounted for but the police arrested three people
in connection with the fraud. In March 1995, D33,200 was
paid for stationery without any evidence of delivery.
BANJUL CITY COUNCIL: The report uncovered that
contracts amounting to D238,825 were awarded without
competitive bidding.
MASANKOKO: The report disclosed that D289,314.36 of fuel
has been spent for vehicles most of which were not owned
by the council.
KUNTAUR: Twenty-four unused market ticket books
amounting to D5,465 could not be accounted for.
KEREWAN: The sum, D193,922.83 was spent on fuel while
payments amounting to D108,790.04 were not supported by
required documents.
BRIKAMA: The report uncovered that D269,260 being council
revenue could not be traced. the committee was told that
some of the tickets were merely not checked by the auditors
but not missing. This report states that it was claimed that
out of D269,260, only D9,500 was not accounted for and that
an assistant treasurer has been ordered to pay the money.
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Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji'uun. May Allah (SWT) give her eternal
peace, and a place in Jannah. Ameen. My condolences to Buharry, Kabir and the
rest of the family.
Jabou Joh
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<< Brothers Kabir Njie & Buharry Gassama,
It saddens me and my family to have learnt - from Sister Ndey Jobarteh last
night - of the death of a relative of yours, Fatou Touray, who I understand,
passed away in Norway.
My family and I hereby extend our heartfelt condolences to the entire
bereaved family on this sad loss.
May her soul rest in eternal peace.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
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Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji'uun.
It is with great sadness that l learnt of the death of uncle Abou Sallah. My
sincere condolences to the entire Sallah and Bah families in Sweden, The U.S,
and in The Gambia, and to the extended family. Uncle Abou will be missed.
May Allah (SWT) accord him a place in his Jannah, and may he bring comfort
to the loved ones he leaves behind.
Jabou Joh
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To the entire Sallah family,
I hereby join Jabou Joh in extending my heartfelt condolences to the entire
Sallah and Bah families, on the death of Pa Abou Sallah.
My special sympathy is being extended to my brother, Momodou Y.M. Sallah
(Sillabai), Halifa Bah and Janet Sallah-Njie.
May his soul rest in peace.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
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>Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji'uun.
>
>It is with great sadness that l learnt of the death of uncle Abou Sallah.
>My
>sincere condolences to the entire Sallah and Bah families in Sweden, The
>U.S,
> and in The Gambia, and to the extended family. Uncle Abou will be
>missed.
>May Allah (SWT) accord him a place in his Jannah, and may he bring comfort
>to the loved ones he leaves behind.
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Well put brother Madi, to borrow an expression frequently used to commend
contributions that appeal to one's viewpoint on a given issue in this
Bantaba. Thanks for taking a stance against the so-called intellectuals,
most of whom most of the time I believe, are under the influence of western
special interest to tarnish the image of even our well meaning leaders.
A crucial factor these pseudo-intellectuals turn a blind eye to, either
consciously or otherwise, is the material circumstance surrounding events at
the very time Mwalimu Nyerere (R.I.P)was ruling. They never bother to give
us an analysis of the insidious undertakings that the west embarked upon, in
their quest to keep us down.
I hope some of them would swallow their intellectual pride and search deep
down inside at the bottom of their intellectual heart and tell us WHY, for
instance, Nkrumah was overthrown. WHY Lumumba was replaced by the late Sese
Seko. Of course, they will reply that Nkrumah was overthrown because he
pursued white-elephant projects. They might tell us that Lumumba was a
communist. You see sometimes you can't blame them. Their minds get messed-up
in their pursuit for personal gains. No wonder they even can't figure out
that their labour is much more needed back from whence they came.
I will now seize the opportunity, being a dormant observer in this forum for
more than a year now, to appeal to elements who make it a habit, of
indulging in senseless disputes which usually end up in personal attacks
instead of being objectively critical on a given issues. This mode of
behaviour degrades the integrity and standard of this forum. Most postings
are so petty and childish that even primay school pupils will find it
dispeccable. It's too low.
To end my small contribution, or shall I coin it my "nonkong-ning- nyattaa",
please brothers and sisters, depite your animosity against, or opposition to
President Jammeh and his government, refrain from the use of bad language.
At the end of the day, and you have to recognise this by now, he is the
president of our beloved country and doesn't deserve such disrespectful
treatment from anyone of you who claim to have solutions to every problem.
No need to mention that you obviously are free to exercise your right to
freedom of expression (the so-called not-justifiably violable right in the
Western line of thinking), but for heavens sake, do it respectfully. No one
on the face of this earth can point out any one govt., and declare that it
is a govt. that addresses the needs of every interest group. Government as
you may know does not work in an atmosphere of abundance. So let us stop the
fancy talk because it's really a cheap way of doing things. Let us instead
get up and get down to serious business.
Let us approach issues from a responsible point of view and contribute
constructively and genuinely to the issues The Gambia is confronted with and
stop the mudslinging. Mere rhetoric, big words and insults wouldn't take us
anywhere and certainly disrespect and conceit wouldn't do the job either.
The solution is to organise and present/table genuine proposals to be
debated in an atmosphere of mutual respect and cordiality. So show some
maturity and apply this strategy to discourse in this forum. Lets reason
brothers and sisters.
ONE LOVE AND RESPECT.
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>REVOLUTIONARY GREETINGS, FELLOW AFRIKANS
>
>The response that Hallifa Sallah gave to that unenlightened and misleading
>article by 'Dr.' Ayitteh and his Tanzania friend with an Eastern European
>name, is very timely, appropriate and conclusive. But I would like to also
>add to what Mr. Sallah said, for I believe, as I indicated in my response
>to
>another similarly malicious article by the ex-editor of the New Afrikan
>magazine Alan Rake some time ago in which he attempted to destroy our
>leaders, that today's Afrikan youths are alert and ready at any time to
>crush any neo-colonialist/imperialist unAfrikan maneuvres by any means
>necessary! We are alert and we are going to take a pro-active stand now,
>for
>as we see it, it's either us the youths to defend the motherland and her
>people or we perish. We prefer to take the first choice, and we will
>execute
>it effectively and successfully! Yes!
>I am not going to repeat what Hallifa said, but I would like to ask the
>so-called intellectuals some simple questions and observations.
>When Nyerere died who asked millions of Tanzanians to weep and moan, and
>spend their whole time glued to their tv and radio sets in the most
>sorrowful manner? Remember Ayitteh and his friend told us that these same
>people were forced out of their homes in the name of villagization
>programmes, in which many lost their lives and property!
>Who told the president Benjamin Mkappa to declare a 30-day mourning, and to
>give the Mwalimu a state funeral?
>Who put all those words of praise and admiration in the mouths of all the
>presidents and world leaders in tribute to the Mwalimu?
>Do you think that 'Dr.' Ayitteh and Ludovich are the wisest and the most
>educated people than the people of Tanzania?
>Do you think that these two pseudo-intellectuals know Nyerere and his time
>of rule more than the common people of Tanzania?
>This is the problem of our 'intellectuals'. They always feel they know more
>than the rest, and so they alone can say it best. No one can fool the
>people. I know that a people can make a wrong decision or choice but it
>does
>not mean you have fooled them. When Mobutu was in power, despite his
>recklessness the people did sing for him and danced for him. And am sure he
>felt that he was fooling the people, but when Laurent Kabila attacked where
>were the dancers and the singers? Why did they not die for him this time?
>When he died who wept and mourned? So you can see that while he thought he
>was fooling the people, the people know fully well that in fact Mobutu is
>the biggest fool, and sometimes as they say do not argue with a fool, for
>people might not see the difference; and so what prevails under such
>leadership is for everyone to be busy about one's survival by any means,
>which unfortunately most of the time breeds corruption, nepotism, and even
>war as seen in the Congo. In my little Gambia, we did dance for Sir Dawda
>Jawara , but nobody shook when the army overthrew him in 1994. So, in
>passing, this is a clear warning to all leaders who may think that because
>people sing and dance for you, you are loved and revered. No. The people
>know what they want, even tho' sometimes the choice is misguided because of
>ignorance and fear and greed. These are the main reasons why we make
>mistakes.
>So back to Nyerere...I think if he was what the false intellectuals wanted
>us to believe then we would not have seen the people of Tanzania and their
>government getting so busy, especially if you know that Nyerere was not an
>admirer of the system in his country. Now can Ludovich tell us for whom was
>he speaking, and why he is writing such a base thing? Are you pushed by
>some
>dollars or promised a professorship by a department of the US governemnt or
>a university in America?
>And now to Ghana...I was in Ghana, at the University of Ghana, Legon where
>I
>graduated in June 1999. During my stay in Ghana I undertook a special study
>of Nkrumah and his government and the Ghanaian society, especially the
>intellectual community. I have spent my own funds, which got me so stranded
>at one point, to buy materials about Nkrumah and Ghana, to travel AROUND
>Accra and Ghana, and pay for services even from market women to study the
>impact of Nkrumah on his compatriots, and how come he was so disliked by
>the
>people. I had held discussions for whole nights; I had abandoned my
>classes,
>and had even co-founded the first Pan-Afrikan movement at legon since
>Nkrumah was overthrown in 1966, all in the attempt to know Nkrumah and the
>people of Ghana. I had discussions with students and lecturers alike, and
>am
>proud to say that I had single-handedly changed the syllabus of a whole
>course in the philosophy department from Western Social and Political
>Philosophy to Pan-Afrikanism and Nkrumaism! This is no mere talking or
>boastfulness, you can contact Legon Philosophy Department, or any
>philosophy
>student who graduated this year. In fact I had recommended to the
>Department
>that we should have a whole course on the Philosophy of Kwame Nkrumah, who
>I
>consider the leading philosopher this century, amd the leading statesman in
>the world this century. I am ready to defend my claims if anybody so wishes
>to challenge me. I am saying all this because as Nkrumah himself used to
>say, it is time for plain talk!!! After having said all of this, I would
>like to tell you that what 'Dr.' Ayitteh wrote is not a surprise to me for
>I
>know it is a typical attitude of many a Ghaanaian intellectual. I do not
>want to name names at this time, but in my discussions with some of the
>professors at legon I heard some of the most sickening ideas about Nkrumah,
>Pan-Afrikanism and Afrika. One Professor told me that Legon is suffering
>because when Nkrumah was in power he brought communism, and drove away all
>investors, and the country is still suffering from that. This is why, he
>said , that they could not equip the school adequately. This professor, I
>know, does not even know how he was educated!!!YES. He went to college FREE
>OF CHARGE WITH THREE SQUARE MEALS!!!!!!!!He clearly does not know anything
>about Nkrumah. He does not know that Legon was made a full university by
>Nkrumah, and all the structures at Legon today were built by Nkrumah, and
>the facilities there then were the best any one can have.And at that time
>it
>was Nkrumah who was in power, not Jesus or God, and the period was not made
>specially for him. I have also found out that over 99 percent, and I repeat
>OVER 99 PERCENT of the students have never, and I repeat NEVER read a book
>written by Nkrumah, but they spend their valuable time castigating Nkrumah,
>whose government laid the foundation on which Ghana survives today. I have
>found out that almost anything that makes Ghana move today was set up by
>Nkrumah, and you take all the subsequent governments of Ghana and you put
>them together, they do not come even an inch near the achievements of the
>Osagyefo. I also talked to people about ethnicity and Nkrumah, and one of
>the leading sociology professors at Legon, Dr. Nukunya, did rightly
>indicate
>that one of the things that Nkrumah should be best remembered for is his
>fight against tribalism, which Nkrumah himself did realise, and in one of
>his meetings with Afrikan freedom fighters he highlighted tribalism as one
>thing that they need to take note of, otherwise which he said could
>jeopardise all our efforts. I have found out that, for example the Ewes do
>not seem to like him because he strategically removed the Akomsombo Dam
>from
>their region. This was in response to the conflict between Togo and Ghana
>over its border and the fate of that part of their countries. You have Ewes
>in both countries on both sides of their border, and because of the fear
>that British Togoland may go to Togo, Nkrumah then redrew the regions of
>Ghana to make sure even if that part did go to Togo the already built dam
>will remain in Ghana, thus the Volta region of the Ewes was denied the dam,
>but not the ELECTRICITY. But again I found out that the reason why you have
>the Ewes with the highest number of intellectuals is because Nkrumah
>created
>a programme which gives them scholarships from the wealth of the other rich
>regions such as the Ashanti. And for that matter I discovered that the
>Ashantis could not see the wisdom for regions to share and help each other,
>and so they disliked the man. Secondly I also discovered that the federal
>constitution the colonialist imposed on Ghana was going to make Ashanti the
>biggest region in terms of people, resources and land size. Furthermore,
>that constitution puts the Ashantehene above the laws that govern
>chieftaincy matters, and consequently making him almost a parallel
>president. Nkrumah sensed that such a constitution was going to create
>conflict in Ghana one day and thus rejected it until a better one was made
>by Ghanaians themselves, but which made the Ashantehene as equal to any
>other king in Ghana under the laws. The Ashanti never liked this. But
>Nkrumah said the colonial imposed constitution is almost like selling Ghana
>to the Ashantis! He made such warnings to the leaders of Nigeria who were
>also forced to accept a colonial federal constitution, but they refused,
>and
>today the regions of Nigeria are the biggest obstacle to their unity asnd
>progress. I found out too that Ashantis have a problem with Nkrumah
>concerning JB Danquah, who was jailed and later died in prison. They
>consider him as the doyen of Ghanaian politics, and he was a big time
>lawyer. But he was nothing other than a neo-colonialsit agent and a
>brain-washed intellectual. During the independence struggle before he broke
>away with Nkrumah, he was very furious for being detained by the
>colonialist, and blamed Nkrumah for that. He was not ready to suffer such
>for his people! He can be said to be the Ayitteh of today, or Ayitteh to be
>the Danquah of yesterday. Also I noticed that the Gas and the northerners
>were not fully comfortable with Nkrumah because of the confusion some
>chiefs
>in Accra and intellectuals created, all in the sefish interest of
>themselves. Nkrumah exposed them all, and he had constanly beaten them in
>elections, even when he was in jail.So out of frustration and jealousy
>these
>chiefs and intellectuals embarked on a campaign of smear and lies to
>destroy
>Nkrumah. When he was overthrown by the USA, Britain and Israel with the aid
>of some unpatriotic Ghanaian soldiers, it was these same intellectuals used
>to discredit Nkrumah. His books were burned and his statues and projects
>destroyed and abandoned. I have found several incomplete buildings for
>schools, hospitals, farms etc etc scattered all over Ghana. One which
>really
>touched my heart was the mental hospital called Pantam, just after Adenta
>in
>the outskirts of Accra. I visited the place and when you enter that
>compound, you would at once realise that this cannot be the work of a
>dictator or a sterile leader. However I must say also that I really did
>meet
>very conscious and patriotic intellectuals in Ghana, whom am really proud
>of. I have also found very conscious students and common people in the
>markets, taxi drivers, farmers and business people, who speak of Nkrumah
>with so much emotion and nostalgia and love.
>I am forced to approach this issue in this manner, because sometimes we
>need
>to know the kind of people who speak and from where they are speaking. If
>the Ayittehs and his friends want us to believe what they said then we need
>to ask lot of questions which really contradict their argument. And for
>those who condemn Hallifa Sallah for speaking the truth about Nyerere and
>Nkrumah should seriously tackle the issue than to pester us with all the
>big
>words they can find in a dictionary. Mr. Sallah is doing a good job in
>Afrika, for he is raising the consciousness of the people. If you people
>over there think that the west is great and exceptional, then it means you
>do ot know the history of the west, neither the history of Afrika. This is
>really sad. Hallifa does not only speak, he acts. He is consistent,a
>patriot
>and a teacher, who prefers to be poor with his people, than to run away
>from
>his people and contribute to the advancement of other people. If Ayitteh
>thinks he is an intellectual and has written so much, and loves his people
>then let him go back to Ghana and help the people with his knowledge, than
>to hide in America, teaching their people, contributing to their economy
>and
>defending them, while his own people are languishing in poverty and
>ignorance. For me a person like Hallifa is the intellectual...a man of the
>mind, and not of heart and desires. If you are a man of intellect, then
>your
>heart should be filled with love for your people, the love to serve
>regardless of wealth, the love for truth and enlightenment. Can Ayitteh and
>his friend claim to have such an intellect and heart? For those Gambians
>who
>sit in the USA and condemn Hallifa, you do not even deserve to be replied
>to. I am making this comment only to allow other people who might not
>understand the issue not to fall victim to your emptiness. Hallifa is the
>bravest and the most righteous Gambia leader since Edward Francis Small.
>While most of us ran away from Sir Dawda and Yaya Jammeh, Hallifa stood and
>spoke for the people with courage, without a gun, a pen nor a paper in his
>hand. He stood with the arsenal of truth in his heart and spoke it with his
>mouth, and he is still speaking the same language. He went to school in
>America, and he could have stayed there like all of you, but he decided to
>come home, because he understood that the development and freedom of the
>Gambia and Afrika is the responsibility of Afrikans, and the fight has to
>be
>done at home, not from abroad. The Ayittehs and his likes would do Afrika a
>great service if they come home amnd together we work for our people, than
>to sit down there and promoting the interest of the west against us.
>Whether
>you know it or not your every second stay in the west is a contribution to
>their development, and a contirbution to our backwardness. If you have
>gained your knowledge and finished your schooling why are you staying
>there?
>If you have all come home and together we struggle it out, do you think we
>would be like this, with bad leaders. Come home and stop bragging out
>there,
>what you have not realised is that the westerners are even laughinhg at
>you,
>saying look at these fools. The struggle is in Afrika and it can only be
>fought in Afrika. America is like this today because their people fought
>for
>their liberation, not in Europe but in America itself!! Some of you
>intellectuals who claim to have a PHD sometimes make me think that going to
>school sometimes is a waste of time, for one would expect correct thinking
>should come from the PHD holders, but what Ayitteh and his friend are
>showing us is that the dullest thinking most of the time comes from PHD
>holders. Think about it.
>
>madi
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Hi Sheikh,
I recall forwarding an annoucement for a job opening for a Women Projects
Officer with AMARC (World Association of Community Broadcasters) in
Johannesburg, South Africa. The deadline for applications is Nov. 30, and you
can still view the full annoucement at the Gambia-L archives:
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I hope this helps, and good luck.
Katim
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> Subject: Re: JOBS JOBS JOBS
> Date: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:08 AM
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> Jaarejef Tony,
>
> Did you at one time post on the list a vacancy in broadcasting somewhere in
southern Africa ? Grateful if
> you could send me a copy of the vacancy announcement, if you still have it or
anybody could be of help.
> Chi Jamma . Bo Tejan
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Mr. Sulayman Sankareh, you said Banding Drammeh is a renowned Islamic
Scholar in West Africa. Anyway i am not trying to discredit him but sources
informed me that he got a BSC in sociology and Arabic Language. Is this
true? Could you tell us more about his islamic education as you did for
Sheik Imam Fatty? Certainly he is from a renowned and respected Islamic
family in Kombo Brikama and must have learned a lot from his fathers'
"Maglis" but i have serious doubt about his higher Post Maglis Islamic
education.
With high respect for all competent ISLAMIC SCHOLARS
LAMIN PF MANNEH
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>Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:46:52 PST
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>Dear Mr.Bojang,
>
>Assalamu alaikum.
>
>Imam Fatty is a graduate of the Islamic University of Madinah. He also
>obtained a Masters degree in Islamic Dawah (Propagation)in Mecca.Although
>you may not subscribe to his ideas, he is a true Islamic scholar by all
>standards.There is no need to question some one's education just because we
>do not share the same opinion with them on national issues. Why not
>question
>Imam Baba Leigh's education? On what criteria was he appointed as GAMCOTRAP
>adviser? His education? I doubt it. Ustaz Banding Drammeh is a renown West
>African Islamic scholar by all standards.Please don't be confused between
>Arabic and Islamic. They are experts in their fields.
>Wassalam.
>
>
>
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>>Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 02:16:41 EST
>>
>>Ndey,
>>Thanks for fowarding the above article to the L-. I said earlier on that I
>>doubt if there was any medical practitioner who was going to say what Mr.
>>Fatty alleged. Therefore, I am not suprised that a Dr. Maritte Dieng does
>>not
>>even exists. I am sure if he asked to show the tape, he would not. Because
>>you know what, it does not exists.
>>I personally do not know this Mr. fatty, but his education is
>>questionable.
>>Such people are very dangerous to any community. If there is anyone on
>>this
>>L- who knows him, I would appreciate it if they could tell us about his
>>Islamic religious education and not Arabic. A lot of so called Islamic
>>scholars in the Gambia went to Arabic school and are very fluet in the
>>language, but only a number of them did study Islam. Infact even Banding
>>Drammeh, the president of the Gambia Islamic Council is allegedly only an
>>Arabic scholar.
>>
>>
>>Ousman Bojang.
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There goes Dr Ayitteh again, and this time he strikes at Halifa with =
condescending remarks. As Gambians we know Halifa far better than =
Ayitteh, and it`s time for us to do some talking. I share Ayitteh`s =
comments regarding the contribution of some African intellectuals in the =
mess ravaging the continent, but I`ll hasten to inform him that Halifa =
does not belong to that category. This is a man who is committed to the =
development of the lives of the Gambian people and the country as a =
whole, and he is at pains to realise this.
What is so wrong and "absolete" about pointing out the evils of "western =
colonialism and imperialism"? Yes it is true that Halifa points out the =
problems these forces have created in the underdevelopment of the =
continent, but I cannot remember anywhere where he stated that they are =
to blame for everything. We all know that most of our post-independence =
leaders had messed up big time, and Halifa as far as I can remember has =
been eloquent in pointing out where these leaders went wrong.The average =
Gambian has experienced a life of total decadence and deprivation, lack =
of adequate educational and health facilities and a life of the ghettoes =
and slums. These are among other things which Halifa has been struggling =
to rectify, and he had always made his message across to The Gambian =
leaders. Sir Dawda knows about this. So , to categorize him as part of =
those who believe that African leaders can do no wrong is totally =
unfounded. I`m sure Halifa knows that Nyerere was not all perfect, but =
he should not be chastized for giving the man the credit he deserved in =
the manner of Dr Ayitteh.
This leads us again to the topic on our African intellectuals. The =
younger generation is looking up to you as role models, so please do not =
mislead us. You should not bark just because you are told to do so.
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Emne: Response to Halifa Sallah on Nyerere (fwd)
Madiba, thank you for forwarding the rejoinder by Halifa Sallah to
our piece on Julius Nyerere. Could you please post this response on the
Gambian net?
Thank you.
George Ayittey,
Washington, DC
**********************
RESPONSE TO HALIFA SALLAH ON "THE BURIAL OF JULIUS NYERERE"
I was saddened to read Mr. Sallah's article on Nyerere, which was a =
response
to a piece I wrote with a Tanzanian, Ludovick Shirima, that was =
published in
The Wall Street Journal (Europe) on October 20.
Mr. Sallah's article reflects a peculiar type of mentality that afflicts =
many
African intellectuals. I have called this "intellectual astigmatism." =
And it
is this disease which has aided and abetted the ruination of Africa. The
despots and dictators of Africa certainly could not have reduced Africa =
to a
mess WITHOUT the help, collaboration and servile prostitution of African
INTELLECTUALS.
Some of these intellectuals, like Mr. Sallah, are still wedded to =
OBSOLETE,
colonial-era paradigms and models. To them, virtually ALL of Africa's =
problems
have been caused by Western colonialism, imperialism, the World Bank, =
IMF and
other EXTERNAL factors. Therefore, African leaders can do NO wrong --
especially those who won independence for their respective countries.
No African would deny that the first generation of leaders strove =
gallantly
and endured personal hardships to win independence from colonial rule. =
They
were hailed as heroes by their people and the international community. =
We made
this point in our piece. BUT in country after country, these leaders =
proceeded
to establish brutal regime, violated the civil rights of their own =
people and
looted their economies. Nyerere was an exception, which we also said in =
our
article. To continue to make excuses for the failures of these leaders =
is the
epitome of intellectual astigmatism. Black African leaders can do no =
wrong;
only white colonialists and imperialists. This kind of intellectualism =
is a
disgrace to Africa. Even children no longer buy this.
Please read below the letter which was found on the bodies of two =
teenage
Guinean boys Yaguine Koita, 14, and Fode Tourakara, 15, who sneaked into
the landing gear of a Sabina airliner, on a flight from Conakry, =
(Guinea)
to Brussels. They died on August 2, 1999, unable to survive =
temperatures
of 55 degrees below zero in an unpressurized compartment at 30,000 feet =
of
altitude.
A PLEA FOR AFRICA
Exellencies, gentlemen, and responsible citizens of Europe:
It is our great hope and privilege to write to you about our trip and =
the
suffering of the children and youth in Africa. We offer you our most
affectionate and respectful salutations. In return, be our support and =
our
help.
We beseech you on behalf of your love for your continent, your people, =
your
families, and above all your children, who you cherish more than life =
itself.
And for the love of God, who has granted you all the experience, wealth, =
and
power to ably construct and organize your continent. We call upon your
graciousness and solidarity to help us in Africa. Our problems are many: =
war,
sickness, hunger, lack of education, and children=92s rights. We lack =
rights as
children. We have schools, but we lack education. . . . We want to =
study, and
we ask that you help us to become like you.
We beseech you to excuse us for daring to write this letter to you, =
important
people whom we truly respect. It is to you, and to you only, that we can =
plead
our case.
And if you find that we have sacrificed our lives, it is because we =
suffer
enormously in Africa. We need your help in our struggle against poverty =
and
war.
Be mindful of us in Africa. There is no one else for us to turn to.
Printed in Harper=92s Magazine, Nov 1999; p.22). It was also printed by =
most
newspapers in Belgium, France, Britain and elsewhere in Europe.
*************
I hope Mr. Sallah would learn a thing or two from their letter. May they =
rest
in peace.
George Ayittey,
Washington, DC
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i really do think it was really nice of president jammeh to help out that
poor girl. folks we should try and come up with ideas on how to help our
brothers and sisters back home who are in need cause there are a lot of
talented youths who don't have the opportunity to further their education
because of financial difficulties. it was also nice of abdoulie to post
this on the l cause some people just look at the negative side of president
jammeh and ignore the positive ones.please, lets try and work together to
make the gambia a better nation. arguing over unnecessary stuff won't solve
the problem. we should always remember that no one is perfect.
>From: Bamba Laye <[log in to unmask]>
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>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: A wonderful gesture
>Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:45:03 -0600
>
>All,
> Even though I have my reservations about the genuineness of this
>gesture because of the publicity involved, I truly believe that Jammeh has
>set a great example here that needs to be emulated by many.
>Stooges can be very generous sometimes -:)
>Read on........
>
>
>
>
> President Jammeh calls Observer
> helps needy Ndey
>
>
> Tuesday, at 4.30pm, the Daily Observer editor, Sheriff
>Bojang, answered a ringing phone.The caller said, "I saw a page three story
>in your paper today about a girl, a student, who needs help to continue her
>education. Can you tell her to... do you know who iscalling?", the caller
>asked.
>
> "I guess it must be the president," the editor replied
>(bemused at the thought that any Gambian could fail to identify the voice
>of the caller)."Could you tell the girl to come to State House tomorrow and
>go to the Chief of Protocol directly?""Yes, sir," replied Mr Bojang.
>
> Ndey Bah, 18, a student of Nusrat Senior Secondary School, was
>traced to her Serrekunda home and informed about the president's desire to
>meet her.Accompanied by her poor mother and our reporter, Lamin Jatta, they
>met the president in his office Wednesday afternoon.
>
> President Jammeh censured Ndey's mother, Mariama Jobe, for
>keeping silent all along while Ndey's education was being jeopardised."You
>should not feel shy (to ask for help) when your child's education stands at
>the brink of spoiling," President Jammeh noted.
>
> The president gave D5,000 cash for Ndey's educational expenses
>for the 1999/2000 academic year and said he would sponsor Ndey's education
>henceforth.He finally urged Ndey to take her education seriously and
>advised the mother that they can only spend the money on other needs if
>they had paid for all school
>
> expenses. Speaking to our reporter after meeting President
>Jammeh, Ndey's mother said she was overwhelmed with President Jammeh's
>kindness. She described himas "a saviour."Ndey Bah also expressed gratitude
>to the president and promised that she would not let him down in her
>academic efforts.
>
> The event was witnessed by the director of press and public
>relations at State House, Fatoumata Jahumpa Ceesay.
>
>
>Abdoulie A. Jallow
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i'm sorry but even bill clinton can't take care of all the needy students in
the u.s
mini
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>Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 08:52:02 EST
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>If this gesture was done from the heart, and not another propanganda
>scheme,
>then it clearly deserves commendation. However, the question still remains,
>how many Gambian students and families find themselves in the same
>impossible
>situation as miss Bah and her mother, and what is the reason for this
>endless suffering? Mis-management of state funds that have plagued us
>for
>years, as well as an inability by our governments to manage the country in
>a
>competent enough way to bolster our economy, so that families can find
>gainful employment to take care of their families and pay for their
>children's education. These things are not supposed to be luxuries, but
>essentials of daily life.If the President wants to do an even more
>honourable gesture, perhaps he should give a sum that will take care of all
>the needy students in the country, or better yet, come up with a plan
>that
>will revamp our economy, and set our country on the right path, both
>politically and economically . Then, everything else will fall into place
>as it should. The question though remains, is the President independently
>wealthy, or is it the funds from the state coffers that are being used
>to
> demonstrate to the Gambian people how generous he can be?
>
>Jabou Joh
>
>
>In a message dated 11/5/99 10:36:32 PM Central Standard Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
><< All,
> Even though I have my reservations about the genuineness of this
>gesture
>because of the publicity involved, I truly believe that Jammeh has set a
>great example here that needs to be emulated by many.
> Stooges can be very generous sometimes -:)
> Read on........
>
>
>
>
> President Jammeh calls Observer
> helps needy Ndey
>
>
> Tuesday, at 4.30pm, the Daily Observer editor, Sheriff
>Bojang,
>answered a ringing phone.The caller said, "I saw a page three story in your
>paper today about a girl, a student, who needs help to continue her
>education. Can you tell her to... do you know who iscalling?", the caller
>asked.
>
> "I guess it must be the president," the editor replied
>(bemused
>at the thought that any Gambian could fail to identify the voice of the
>caller)."Could you tell the girl to come to State House tomorrow and go to
>the Chief of Protocol directly?""Yes, sir," replied Mr Bojang.
>
> Ndey Bah, 18, a student of Nusrat Senior Secondary School,
>was
>traced to her Serrekunda home and informed about the president's desire to
>meet her.Accompanied by her poor mother and our reporter, Lamin Jatta, they
>met the president in his office Wednesday afternoon.
>
> President Jammeh censured Ndey's mother, Mariama Jobe, for
>keeping silent all along while Ndey's education was being jeopardised."You
>should not feel shy (to ask for help) when your child's education stands at
>the brink of spoiling," President Jammeh noted.
>
> The president gave D5,000 cash for Ndey's educational
>expenses
>for the 1999/2000 academic year and said he would sponsor Ndey's education
>henceforth.He finally urged Ndey to take her education seriously and
>advised
>the mother that they can only spend the money on other needs if they had
>paid
>for all school
>
> expenses. Speaking to our reporter after meeting President
>Jammeh, Ndey's mother said she was overwhelmed with President Jammeh's
>kindness. She described himas "a saviour."Ndey Bah also expressed gratitude
>to the president and promised that she would not let him down in her
>academic
>efforts.
>
> The event was witnessed by the director of press and public
>relations at State House, Fatoumata Jahumpa Ceesay.
>
>
> Abdoulie A. Jallow
>
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ALI MAZRUI AND SKIP GATES' AFRICA SERIES
Ali Mazrui's "preliminary" critique of Henry-Louis' Gates Africa series
has been pounding cyber-space with an energy that I have not
experienced since I became its reluctant and fitful tennant. I am not
on the iasa-list - to which this is addressed - nor on any other
circulation list, yet I have had this critique copied to me from over
two dozen directions, sometimes culled from other lists of whose
existence I was not even aware - not surprisingly, since, as already
admitted, I am not really into Internet. I find it odd, very odd. There
appears to be a driving mechanism behind this, quite outside the normal
exchange of opinions on a work that is admittedly, by its very nature,
bound to raise controversy. I find it odd also that, even more than
Charles Johnson's fair summary of various critiques, Ali Mazrui's
text appears to have surfaced with the greatest frequency. Of course,
we must assume that this have to do with his stature as the undisputed
African specialist of our time.
I see also that Ali Mazrui is pressing his assiduous pursuit of a rival
by accepting to engage in a further discussion on these series on WLIB
radio on the night of Sunday 7th November. I have been invited to
participate but I cannot, as I have not watched the entire series and
unfortunately cannot do so before the live broadcast which is tomorrow.
Moreover, I prefer to watch (or read) any kind of creative or
intellectual product at my own pace, and to avoid succumbing to a pace
dictated by a demand for critical interjection or the prospect of
polemics.
It is a pity that Ali Mazrui failed to be guided by his own commencing
caveat which concedes: "Since I have myself done a television series
about Africa, perhaps I should keep quiet about Skip Gates' WONDERS OF
AFRICA" This of course is understating Ali Mazrui's own place in the
Africa project. His happens to be the only other television series of
this dimension by a black scholar on the subject of Africa's past and
present. In short, Ali Mazrui has a fifty per cent stake - at least -
in the reception that may be accorded to a work that, in effect,
constitutes a challenge to a long-held monopoly. Every
knowledgable critique of Skip Gates' work evokes, unquestionably, an
implicit referential from the only preceding series of its kind. Yes
indeed, Ali Mazrui should have kept quiet. As Charles Johnson's summary
has shown, there are other equally competent - both scholarly and
creative - minds that can pass valuable commentaries on this new
contribution to perspectives on Africa.
However Ali Mazrui may present himself, he is being a covert plaintiff
in his own cause, and it is my deeply held conviction that the delights
of objective criticism and intellectual enlargement have been sullied
by his energetic, propulsive voice in this exercise. It crosses the
ethical bounds of intellectualism and deserves the condemnation of all
who believe that the virtues of criticism transcend self-interest.
Ali Mazrui and I, let me frankly acknowledge, are ancient adversaries.
With this level of indecorous conduct, I am reconciled to the fact that
we are likely to remain so for a long time to come.
Wole Soyinka
Woodruff Professor of the Arts
Emory University, Atlanta
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Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji`uun.
(to Allah we belong and to Him is the return).
It is very sad to hear that some one is death,but it`s only to put us in
alert. The onlything we can do is to pray.
O Allah! forgive our living and the dead,and those who are present
and those who are not present,and the young and the elder,and the
men and the women!
O Allah! whom You keepest alive,keep him as such on Islam,and
upon whom You bringst death from amongst us,cause him with faith.
O Allah! send Uncle Abou Sallah and Fatou Touray ahead of us for
our salvation.And make them the source of our intercession.
O Allah! shower Your Mercy on them and grant them forgiveness.
Let us check this hadith "The Fearful Sight of Death"
Abu Huraira R.A (God bless his soul) narrates that once the Holy
prophet (peace be upon him) said:"Let me show you the reality of
this world." I requested him to do that. He took me to a place of
refuse outside Medina.There I saw human skulls and bones sunk in
filth with dirty rags scattered all around.Adressing me he said:"These
are the human skulls that embodied brains filled with greed. These
people were like many amongst you who live today.Like all of you
they pinned their hopes on things worldly.These skulls are lying
without skin and after a few days they will become part of the earth.
They struggle hard to eat the spicy dishes only to swallow this filth
today.The state in which they exist now cannot be tolerably seen by
those who have eyes to see.The very sight of those who enjoyed the
fragrance of tasty food makes you hate them.These dirty rags are
the substitute for the gaudy dresses that made men proud.Now they
are at the mercy of winds which move them the way they like.
And these are the bones of those animals that carried human beings
only to make them feel proud.Any one can shed a tear or two at their
tragic end."
Abu Huraira stated that the tears welled up in his eyes and he wept
bitterly.
Allaahuma ajurnaa fi museebatinaa wakhluf lanaa khayran minhaa.
(We ask for recompense us for our affliction and replace it for us
with something better).....Ameen!!!!!
Alahumasalli allah Saidina Muhammadin wa allaa ali Muhammadin.
Samba Goddard.
(Pulo)
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In a message dated 11/8/99 3:42:13 PM Central Standard Time,
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<< i really do think it was really nice of president jammeh to help out that
poor girl. folks we should try and come up with ideas on how to help our
brothers and sisters back home who are in need cause there are a lot of
talented youths who don't have the opportunity to further their education
because of financial difficulties. it was also nice of abdoulie to post
this on the l cause some people just look at the negative side of president
jammeh and ignore the positive ones.please, lets try and work together to
make the gambia a better nation. arguing over unnecessary stuff won't solve
the problem. we should always remember that no one is perfect.
>>
*********************
Miss Loum,
Infact, we have an organization called the Gambia Education Support
Organization that was formed after much discussion on this very issue you
raise here, namely the need to do what we can to contribute to the education
of our youth. We will be glad to send you a copy of the organizational
document if you want to join us. .We just sponsored our first four high
school students for school fess and books.
The inviatation is also open to one and all who share the concern, so please
consider joining. Thanks.
Jabou Joh
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In a message dated 11/8/99 3:49:16 PM Central Standard Time,
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<< i'm sorry but even bill clinton can't take care of all the needy students
in
the u.s
mini
>>
*********************
Sister Mini,
Yes, l agree, but they sure do work to put the process in place where
opportunity is created for all, instead of pocketing the national coffers or
squandering them on luxuries, while the rest of their compatriots live in
abject poverty with no prospects for a good education or job opportunities.
Jabou Joh
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Saul,
Let us find out how he (Halifa) thinks of the Jammeh Government five years
on. Come on Mr. Sallah give us your candid five years evaluation of the
Government of The Gambia.
Cheers!
OB.
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May her soul rest in peace.
Habib
ebrima ceesay wrote:
> Brothers Kabir Njie & Buharry Gassama,
>
> It saddens me and my family to have learnt - from Sister Ndey Jobarteh last
> night - of the death of a relative of yours, Fatou Touray, who I understand,
> passed away in Norway.
>
> My family and I hereby extend our heartfelt condolences to the entire
> bereaved family on this sad loss.
>
> May her soul rest in eternal peace.
>
> Ebrima Ceesay,
> Birmingham, UK.
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Jabou ,
Was he the elder brother of Captain Sallah.?
May he rest in peace and may Allah grant all of those who passed away Jannah.
Ameen
Habib Diab Ghanim.
Jabou Joh wrote:
> Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji'uun.
>
> It is with great sadness that l learnt of the death of uncle Abou Sallah. My
> sincere condolences to the entire Sallah and Bah families in Sweden, The U.S,
> and in The Gambia, and to the extended family. Uncle Abou will be missed.
> May Allah (SWT) accord him a place in his Jannah, and may he bring comfort
> to the loved ones he leaves behind.
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> WEST AFRICA REVIEW -- http://www.westafricareview.com
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> This is a W.A.R. Call For Papers for a special issue on
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> "WONDERS OF THE AFRICAN WORLD."
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> Taking advantage of the timely turn around time in electronic
> publishing, WEST AFRICA REVIEW invites submissions for a W.A.R.
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In a message dated 11/8/99 2:36:19 PM Central Standard Time,
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There goes Dr Ayitteh again, and this time he strikes at Halifa with
condescending remarks. As Gambians we know Halifa far better than Ayitteh,
and it`s time for us to do some talking. I share Ayitteh`s comments regarding
the contribution of some African intellectuals in the mess ravaging the
continent, but I`ll hasten to inform him that Halifa does not belong to that
category. This is a man who is committed to the development of the lives of
the Gambian people and the country as a whole, and he is at pains to realise
this.
What is so wrong and "absolete" about pointing out the evils of "western
colonialism and imperialism"? Yes it is true that Halifa points out the
problems these forces have created in the underdevelopment of the continent,
but I cannot remember anywhere where he stated that they are to blame for
everything. We all know that most of our post-independence leaders had messed
up big time, and Halifa as far as I can remember has been eloquent in
pointing out where these leaders went wrong.The average Gambian has
experienced a life of total decadence and deprivation, lack of adequate
educational and health facilities and a life of the ghettoes and slums. These
are among other things which Halifa has been struggling to rectify, and he
had always made his message across to The Gambian leaders. Sir Dawda knows
about this. So , to categorize him as part of those who believe that African
leaders can do no wrong is totally unfounded. I`m sure Halifa knows that
Nyerere was not all perfect, but he should not be chastized for giving the
man the credit he deserved in the manner of Dr Ayitteh.
********************Reply separator
l have to say that as much as l have respect for Cherno Baba and his views, l
share Omar's opinion on this issue. While l do not subscribe to the notion
that colonialism is to blame for all our woes,l think that leaders like
Nyerere who took over right after colonialism certainly had a tough job of
trying to mold a nation where the blue prints left by the former colonialists
were quite a challenge to undo.Of course, it goes without saying that we
certainly could not depend on those same blue prints to forge governments
suited to our needs. These guys had to start from scratch, not just to try to
undo the damage colonialism did in Africa, but also to come up with
alternative ways to govern..This was no easy task, and years later, we are
still struggling with this same problem. l may be wrong, but l believe this
was one of the points perhaps that Halifa was trying to make.l do not know
Halifa Sallah personally, but from what l am able to grasp from his writings,
l have an impression of a realistic, objective individual who has a deep
love for his country and his people, great concern for their welfare and
well being, and a dedication to forging a society where honesty, sincerity
and total participation by all in determining our future would prevail, not a
blind idolizer of anyone. If all our politicians start from that leg, we will
get far indeed. l think that to label him a total hero worshipper who sees no
wrong in the likes of Nyerere and Nkrumah is really to do injustice to him.
Jabou Joh
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Hi folks,
FYI
Katim
Medical Outcomes Trust wrote:
> The Medical Outcomes Trust is a small non-profit, membership organization
> dedicated to promoting the science and application of patient centered
> health outcomes and health related quality of life assessment in health
> care. We are located in Boston.
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> We are seeking the assistance of a part time web master to:
> 1. interface with operations staff and maintain the currency of the content
> of the web site
> 2. identify and implement software and processes to facilitate routine
> maintenance of the site and updating of content by internal staff
> 3. provide guidance in enhancing the aesthetics, functionality and
> interactivity of the site
> 4. assist with design of operations data bases and their integration with
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> 5. evaluate and advise re: web hosting options and services
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> Ideal candidate will have BA and several years of web design and web
> programming experience, knowledge of application server software and Access
> data base, able to communicate technical information to less technical
> people and committed to empowering organizations to maximize control over
> their web site. Knowledge of e-commerce requirements and options desirable.
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Mr. Jorbateh,
This is one of the best postings to Gambia L. Your article contains the
truth, and nothing, but the truth. Many may feel offended, but who cares. I
vehemently believe that (and I have said this before) Africa or Gambia's
problems cannot be solved outside. Thus, if anyone is sincerely interested in
the socioeconomic and political developments of our people, he or she has to
emulate a person of Halifa's calibre. This is someone who has devoted all his
time in empowering our people in many ways, especially from a political
perspective. He continues to share his knowledge and expertise with Gambians
in particular, and Africans at large, in debates, symposiums and workshops
domestically and internationally. If Mr. Sallah is like those African
politicians and intellectuals whose sole aim of occupying a public office is
to enrich themselves and their families, he could have done so. It would be
recalled that this is someone who rejected a ministerial post a few years ago
for a cause. This will remain in the annals of The Gambia's political
history. I have much respect for him. Any attempts of personal attacks to
tarnish his personality will be fruitless.
S. S. Saidykhan.
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Mr. Trawally,
Thanks for the well written piece.
S.S. Saidykhan.
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>Jaajef wa G-L,
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>Some job vacancies for those interested.
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>Yeenduleen ak jaama
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>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The Joint
>Enrichment Project: Programmes Manager
>The Programmes Manager will be responsible for the
>overall management of four youth development
>programmes:
>The Reach Out Project
>A 12 month programme for young people in inner city
>JHB, providing technical skills, psychological
>support, lifeskills and basic education.
>The Youth Work Scheme
>A community youth service programme working in
>Gauteng, North West and Mpumalanga
>The Youth Development Initiatives
>A community based enterprise programme for young
>people in Gauteng. The project is run in conjunction
>with the Gauteng Department of Welfare and Population
>Development.
>Project Grimebusters
>A pilot project for unemployed young people, exploring
>enterprise opportunities in recycling business. The
>project is run in conjunction with Ntsika.
>Key Tasks
>* Manage the programme plans and budgets of the four
>programmes
>* Supervise the ten staff who work in the programmes
>* Manage partnerships with government and community
>institutions working in the JEP
>* Manage the monitoring and evaluation process
>* Ensure adequate documentation and reporting systems
>are sustained in each project
>* Advocate the programme models to all relevant
>stakeholders
>* Identify future partnerships and opportunities for
>the programmes.
>Requirements of the Position
>* At least three years project management experience
>* Experience in managing budgets
>* At least a Bachelor's Degree in Education, Social
>Science or equivalent
>* Experience in working with young people
>* Comprehensive understanding of the Education and
>Training, and Trade and Industry Sectors in South
>Africa.
>* Good writing skills.
>* Computer skills in Word/Wordperfect, Excel and
>Publisher.
>* Driver's Licence
>* Ability to travel extensively in South Africa.
>Interested applicants should submit their CVs and two
>written references to
>The Dircector of the JEP, Neville Naidoo
>P O Box 62024, Marshalltown 2107
>Fax 011 834 4955
>email: [log in to unmask]
>Enquiries: phone 011 834 6865.
>
>
>NICRO: Secretary
>Secretary to the National Marketing, Fundraising and
>Media Director of NICRO
>NICRO is a non-governmental organisation working
>towards a safer South Africa. NICRO specializes in
>diverting young offenders from the criminal justice
>system, supporting victims of crime, reintegrating
>offenders and economic empowerment.
>NICRO National Office is looking for a highly
>motivated and organised secretary to the National
>Director for Fundraising, Marketing and Media.
>The successful candidate will be responsible for
>administration of the fundraising, marketing and media
>department of NICRO. This will entail management of
>the database of funders and secretarial support to the
>director (for example travel arrangements, managing a
>diary and organisation of special events). This
>challenging opportunity to work in a dynamic team is
>available immediately.
>Please send your detailed CV with contactable
>references and letter of application to:
>Rosemary Shapiro Director:
>Fundraising, Marketing and Media P O Box 10005
>Caledon SQuare
>7905
>Tel: 021 422 1225
>Fax: 021 422 1550
>e-mail: [log in to unmask]
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>
>TRAC:Administrator Secretary
>General responsibilities of the Administrator include
>the following, to:
>1. Provide administrative/ secretarial support to the
>CEO, the members of the Board and other LAMOSA organs.
>
>2. Attend to the accurate and timely typing of
>correspondence of the organisation.
>3. File all correspondence and other documents
>relating to the work of the organisation in a timely,
>systematic and accurate manner.
>4. Deal with telephone calls in the absence of the CEO
>and Board members and where necessary take accurate
>and sufficiently detailed messages on their behalf.
>5. Attend to faxing, e-mailing, copying and dispatch
>of correspondence or documents and the proper
>recording of these in appropriate registers.
>6. Manage the CEO's diary commitments.
>7. Identify urgent matters that need to be brought to
>the attention of the CEO.
>8. Make necessary travel arrangements for the CEO,
>Board members and LAMOSA members.
>9. Attend to all logistical arrangements and arrange
>meetings of Board, Communities etc.
>10. Book accommodation
>11. Deal with clients and the public in a courteous
>and professional manner.
>12. Order and control ordering of stock, stationery
>etc.
>13. Receive and reconcile all claims submitted.
>Requirements:
>* The ideal person should be a good organiser with
>sound decision-making skills, interpersonal relations
>skills, as well as the ability to work independently
>* Relevant academic qualifications or life experience
>combined with a minimum of 3 years experience as a
>secretary
>* Typing qualification/ training
>* Computer literacy
>* Excellent secretarial and administrative skills.
>* Highly developed interpersonal and communication
>skills, and in particular an excellent telephone
>manner.
>* Fluency in at least 2 official languages, of which
>only one can be English or Afrikaans
>The annual remuneration package of the Administrator
>is R45 000 per annum.
>Interested applicants are requested to submit their
>cv's together with contactable to
>Brendan Canham at TRAC
>TEL: (011) 833 1063
>Chief Executive Officer
>Reporting to the Board of Trustees, the Chief
>Executive Officer is the Executive head of LAMOSA.
>She/ he will be responsible for the overall management
>and direction of the activities of LAMOSA to ensure
>that it meets its objectives and addresses community
>needs.
>Functions:
>1. Responsible for the management and provision of all
>support services - Administration, Finance,
>Information Services and Information Technology;
>2. Ensure efficient financial administration of the
>organisation, through the application of appropriate
>budgetary controls and procedures;
>3. The guidance and strategic direction of LAMOSA;
>4. The creation and maintenance of appropriate
>relationships with internal and external stakeholders,
>the media, government and international bodies;
>5. Encourage a delivery and work culture that delivers
>results efficiently and effectively, where community
>needs are recognised and the work enhances the welfare
>of all South Africans.
>Requirements:
>* A tertiary/ academic qualification;
>* At least 2 years experience in an executive
>position;
>* Excellent administrative and implementation skills;
>* Advanced financial management skills;
>* Excellent written and verbal communication skills;
>* High level inter-personal and communication skills
>and experience of team leadership.
>* Highly developed computer skills;
>* Project management experience;
>* Ability to plan, set goals and standards, develop
>strategies and measure accomplishments on standard
>performance evaluation criteria and methodologies;
>* A strong commitment and understanding of community
>development;
>* Good understanding of land issues, prominent cases
>and their potential implications for the communities
>affected;
>* Understanding of the current socio-political
>scenarios;
>* Ability to communicate a strategic "vision" and
>build relationships with stakeholders and clients;
>The annual remuneration package will be R96 0000.
>Interested applicants are requested to submit their
>cv's together with contactable to
>Brendan Canham at TRAC
>TEL:(011) 833 1063
>
>
>Surplus People Project: Rural Development Research and
>Policy Co-ordinator
>A Rural Development Research and Policy Co-ordinator
>is required to manage the work of the above unit. The
>unit will act in a support role to other projects at
>Surplus People Project, i.e. research support and will
>actively engage with government policy. Ideal
>candidates should have at least an Honours tertiary
>qualification, research project management skills,
>human resource management skills, good communication
>skills, analytical and interpretative skills, and
>excellent writing and computer skills.
>Please contact Harry May or Glenda Glover at Surplus
>People Project to discuss details.
>Tel: (021) 448 5605 Fax: (021) 448 0105
>
>
>Institute for Security Studies: Programme Assistant
>Programme Assistant for the Research Programme on
>Crime, Policing and Prevention Programme:
>To work as general secretary to the research staff
>dealing on issues relating to crime and policing in
>South Africa. The applicant must have a good command
>of written and spoken English. Good organisational
>skills are a pre-requisite as well as an ability to
>work within a high-pressure environment. The ability
>to manage an office in an organised and efficient
>manner is equally indispensable.
>Qualifications:
>* Appropriate secretarial qualifications
>* Three years secretarial experience
>* MS Office.
>The ISS is an equal opportunity, affirmative action
>employer. The closing date for applications is 17
>September 1999. All posts will be contract positions
>for up to three years. These positions have been made
>possible by a grant from the European Union through
>the European Programme for Reconstruction and
>Development.
>Please fax or e-mail applications, including your
>Curriculum Vitae and at least three current references
>to:
>Lerato Thobejane
>Institute for Security Studies
>Fax: 012 46 997
>E-mail: [log in to unmask]
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>
>The National Progressive Primary Health Care Network
>(NPPHCN):
>The National Progressive Primary Health Care Network
>(NPPHCN) Media & Training Centre (MTC), based in the
>Western Cape, aims to improve Primary Health Care
>(PHC) by facilitating (through participatory methods),
>the production, use and research of relevant PHC media
>targeted at communities and health workers. The MTC
>has established partnerships with disadvantaged
>communities and other institutions and organisations
>working in the health sector in South Africa and other
>African countries. We offer challenging one-year
>positions to suitable persons in the following
>positions:
>Radio: Projects Manager
>The successful applicant will provide overall
>direction and management to the existing and future
>projects of the Radio Unit. Key functions will include
>developing operational strategic plans, evaluation of
>the Radio Unit and its programmes objectives through
>work plans, and supervision, support and capacity
>building in other staff members of the Unit. Also
>included is the supervision of the production of
>Primary Health Care education programmes, as well as
>training of community radio broadcasters.
>Requirements:
>* A team player with strong leadership and management
>skills
>* An understanding of community radio and the approach
>to community participation
>* Radio programming, editing and production skills
>* Creative ideas for edu-tainment programming
>* The ability to train people in community
>broadcasting
>* Proven ability and experience to use digital
>production equipment (Apple Mac)
>* A valid Drivers licence
>Radio Producer/Trainer
>The successful applicant will be responsible for
>producing a range of radio programmes and including a
>monthly edu-tainment programme for community radio
>stations, public service radio announcements, and
>short packaged items. These programmes should be
>produced through participatory methods. The successful
>applicant will also be responsible for training
>aspirant and existing community radio broadcasters in
>the skills required for successful programme
>production and planning. The applicant will work
>closely and report directly to the Radio Projects
>Manager.
>Requirements:
>* A sound understanding of community radio
>* A working knowledge of radio production and editing
>* Appropriate skills for training community producers
>* Creative ideas for radio production
>* Able to work to deadline
>* Fluency in English and at least one African language
>
>* Proven ability and experience to use digital
>production equipment (Apple Mac)
>* A valid Drivers licence
>Print Project Co-ordinator
>The successful applicant will be responsible for
>implementing and coordinating the production of a
>range of quarterly and monthly publications in support
>of MTC=92s community radio programmes, community
>health workers, as well as other print material needs
>of the organization. The applicant will be responsible
>for planning and facilitating training workshops for
>producing Primary Health Care print materials at
>community level.
>Requirements:
>* A team player with a sound understanding of
>community dynamics and the approach to community
>participation
>* Desktop publishing, writing and editing skills
>* Training skills to enable communities to use and
>produce print material
>* Should be able to work on PageMaker, Freehand and
>Photoshop
>* A valid drivers license
>Competitive salary packages will be offered,
>commensurate with qualifications and experience.
>Please send a comprehensive Curriculum Vitae with two
>references and examples of work to:
>The Director,
>Media & Training Centre,
>PO Box 34572,
>Groote Schuur, 7937,
>Fax: 021-447 9483,
>E-mail: [log in to unmask]
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>
>The Centre for Rural Legal Studies :
>The Centre for Rural Legal Studies is an independent
>research, advocacy and training organisation dedicated
>to the equitable distribution of power and resources
>in the rural areas of South Africa.
>CRLS offers competitive remuneration packages and a
>pleasant working environment in Stellenbosch. We
>invite applications for the following two posts:
>Gender Researcher
>You will lead a dynamic, multi-skilled research,
>training and advocacy team in order to co-ordinate
>research on land and labour issues in the agricuktural
>labour sector design and implement advocacy
>interventions assist in developing training materials
>act as a resource person
>You should hold an Honours degree and have project
>management and gender research experience, as well as
>advanced research, writing, presentation, and advocacy
>skills in English and Afrikaans. Basic computer skills
>and a valid driving licence are necessary.
>Trainer
>You will be part of a training team that develops and
>conducts rights-education for farm dwellers and
>organisations working in the rural and agricultural
>sector. You should have Adult Basic Education
>experience, strong administrative and communication
>skills, be fluent in at least two regional languages,
>and have a valid driving licence.
>Both posts require an understanding of the
>socio-economic context of the rural areas in the
>Western Cape.
>Send applications, including a CV and details of two
>contactable referees by 15 September 1999 to
>The Director, CRLS,
>P.O.Box 1169,
>Stellenbosch, 7599
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>South African National NGO Coalition (SANGOCO):
>Communications Co-ordinator
>The South African National NGO Coalition (SANGOCO) is
>an umbrella body representing over 4000 NGOs and CBOs
>in South Africa.
>SANGOCO is committed to participatory democracy,
>people-centred development and the voluntary sector.
>SANGOCO has a vacancy for a Communications
>Co-ordinator. Creative, energtic people who enjoy
>working in an enthusiastic team should apply.
>Applicants for the post should have a driver's
>license, be computer literate (especially in Microsoft
>Office), interpersonal skills and understand the NGO
>environment. The successful applicant will develop and
>manage SANGOCO's external communication strategy as
>well as drive production of the various publications
>of the Coalitions.
>Responsibilities include:
>** development and management of a Communications and
>Marketing strategy with members, sectors, provinces
>and other stakeholders
>** Marketing and Co-ordinating sales and advertising
>** Production of regular and occasional publications
>** Co-ordinating and ensuring the smooth running of
>SANGOCO's website
>Competence and personal attributes:
>Knowledge and skills in DTP, excellent writing skills,
>advanced knowledge of computer programmes, editing
>skills, advanced understanding of the English
>language, good interpersonal skills, interpersonal and
>communication skills. SANGOCO offers competitive
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>Oak Human Rights Fellowship
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List Members,
Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji uun.
The death of our uncle Elliman Kah was announced this morning
during subha prayers. Our condolences to Fatou kah Jack and Bujet Jack
of D.C. Pa modou Kah,
Ousman Kah, Saja Kah, Gibril Joberteh and all members of the Kah family
in the U.S and also to Mr Dawada Khan , Ousman Kah, Fatou Kah,Omar
Nyang,Balling , Alh Joberteh and the rest of the family in Norway and
the rest of the world . May his soul rest in perfect peace. .Funeral
service will take place at the pipeline mosque this afternoon at 2 pm.
Chi Jamma.
Bro. Sheikh Tejan Nyang
P. S . The death of Koto Salieu Cham who also passed away on sunday was
not announced on the list. Our condolences to Aunty Pullo Cham and Mrs
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Mineratou, i totally agree with you that there are a lot of Gambians just
like that poor girl who are in desparate need of money to continue with
their education in the Gambia. That is why the Gambia Seattle Association,
which is a Gambian organisation based in Seattle, Washington has put aside
funds to help those students whose parents would be unable to pay for their
schooling.
I am therefore urging all Gambian organisations in the US, Europe and
anywhere else to put aside some funds to help needy Gambians and give them
an opportunity to complete school.
Peace Be Upon All and May God Bless
Alasana Bah
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:31:35 EST
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>i really do think it was really nice of president jammeh to help out that
>poor girl. folks we should try and come up with ideas on how to help our
>brothers and sisters back home who are in need cause there are a lot of
>talented youths who don't have the opportunity to further their education
>because of financial difficulties. it was also nice of abdoulie to post
>this on the l cause some people just look at the negative side of president
>jammeh and ignore the positive ones.please, lets try and work together to
>make the gambia a better nation. arguing over unnecessary stuff won't solve
>the problem. we should always remember that no one is perfect.
>
>>From: Bamba Laye <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: Bamba Laye <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: A wonderful gesture
>>Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:45:03 -0600
>>
>>All,
>> Even though I have my reservations about the genuineness of this
>>gesture because of the publicity involved, I truly believe that Jammeh has
>>set a great example here that needs to be emulated by many.
>>Stooges can be very generous sometimes -:)
>>Read on........
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> President Jammeh calls Observer
>> helps needy Ndey
>>
>>
>> Tuesday, at 4.30pm, the Daily Observer editor, Sheriff
>>Bojang, answered a ringing phone.The caller said, "I saw a page three
>>story
>>in your paper today about a girl, a student, who needs help to continue
>>her
>>education. Can you tell her to... do you know who iscalling?", the caller
>>asked.
>>
>> "I guess it must be the president," the editor replied
>>(bemused at the thought that any Gambian could fail to identify the voice
>>of the caller)."Could you tell the girl to come to State House tomorrow
>>and
>>go to the Chief of Protocol directly?""Yes, sir," replied Mr Bojang.
>>
>> Ndey Bah, 18, a student of Nusrat Senior Secondary School,
>>was
>>traced to her Serrekunda home and informed about the president's desire to
>>meet her.Accompanied by her poor mother and our reporter, Lamin Jatta,
>>they
>>met the president in his office Wednesday afternoon.
>>
>> President Jammeh censured Ndey's mother, Mariama Jobe, for
>>keeping silent all along while Ndey's education was being jeopardised."You
>>should not feel shy (to ask for help) when your child's education stands
>>at
>>the brink of spoiling," President Jammeh noted.
>>
>> The president gave D5,000 cash for Ndey's educational
>>expenses
>>for the 1999/2000 academic year and said he would sponsor Ndey's education
>>henceforth.He finally urged Ndey to take her education seriously and
>>advised the mother that they can only spend the money on other needs if
>>they had paid for all school
>>
>> expenses. Speaking to our reporter after meeting President
>>Jammeh, Ndey's mother said she was overwhelmed with President Jammeh's
>>kindness. She described himas "a saviour."Ndey Bah also expressed
>>gratitude
>>to the president and promised that she would not let him down in her
>>academic efforts.
>>
>> The event was witnessed by the director of press and public
>>relations at State House, Fatoumata Jahumpa Ceesay.
>>
>>
>>Abdoulie A. Jallow
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Well done Brother!
You see, charity begins at home and thats what Halifa has been doing and I
believe the rest of the so called African "interlectuals" with their ideas
of "interlectual gymnastic" should also try to do.
It is good to be critic but be objective in your critism. We must start to
be honest to ourselves in oder to be able to love ourselves.
Yahya
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:01:47 EST
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>Mr. Jorbateh,
>
>This is one of the best postings to Gambia L. Your article contains the
>truth, and nothing, but the truth. Many may feel offended, but who cares. I
>vehemently believe that (and I have said this before) Africa or Gambia's
>problems cannot be solved outside. Thus, if anyone is sincerely interested
>in
>the socioeconomic and political developments of our people, he or she has
>to
>emulate a person of Halifa's calibre. This is someone who has devoted all
>his
>time in empowering our people in many ways, especially from a political
>perspective. He continues to share his knowledge and expertise with
>Gambians
>in particular, and Africans at large, in debates, symposiums and workshops
>domestically and internationally. If Mr. Sallah is like those African
>politicians and intellectuals whose sole aim of occupying a public office
>is
>to enrich themselves and their families, he could have done so. It would be
>recalled that this is someone who rejected a ministerial post a few years
>ago
>for a cause. This will remain in the annals of The Gambia's political
>history. I have much respect for him. Any attempts of personal attacks to
>tarnish his personality will be fruitless.
>
>S. S. Saidykhan.
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Madi,
I agree with much of what you said about Nyerere and Nkrumah. Irrespective
of one's opinion regarding his political philosophy, Nyerere's honesty and
basic decency is beyond reproach. To date, he's the only African leader who
truly understood the poverty of his people. And he always "put his money
where his mouth is:" he lived like ordinary Tanzanians! (Thomas Sankara
might have been like him if he had the chance. But that's beside the point.)
However, even a decent and sincere leader like Nyerere made mistakes. Some
quite serious. In his zeal to uplift his people (who were way behind him
intellectually,) Nyerere tried several ideas that totally bombed, not
because of any outside sabotage, but because his people were not ready. I
can go on and on. And Nyerere being the honest man he was, did admit some of
these mistakes many times after leaving office.
Therefore, my advice to you would be to be very objective when appraising
our leaders' past performance. Why? Because, this "blame the outsider"
mentality only reinforces our collective complex that we cannot take charge
of our destiny because Europeans are always plotting against us. These
people have done us terrible wrongs in the colonial era, but our so-called
leaders have done us more damage in the last forty years than the colonists
have done in 300! At least, they (the Europeans) never pretended to care! If
you will try and read some of prof. Aittey's writings, you might be
surprised at what you find. He's far from being the man you're painting.
Aittey is not an apologist for the West in any way. He's looking at
Nyerere's record, and he's telling it like it is. Nyerere was a great man. I
adored him personally. But this great man made serious mistakes during his
rule. It's a measure of his greatness that he could stand up and own up to
his mistakes. For you to deny what the man himself admitted is doing him a
dis-service. It's forty years since we've been independent. Look what we've
done to ourself! Just a thought.
Saul
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>REVOLUTIONARY GREETINGS, FELLOW AFRIKANS
>
>The response that Hallifa Sallah gave to that unenlightened and misleading
>article by 'Dr.' Ayitteh and his Tanzania friend with an Eastern European
>name, is very timely, appropriate and conclusive. But I would like to also
>add to what Mr. Sallah said, for I believe, as I indicated in my response
>to
>another similarly malicious article by the ex-editor of the New Afrikan
>magazine Alan Rake some time ago in which he attempted to destroy our
>leaders, that today's Afrikan youths are alert and ready at any time to
>crush any neo-colonialist/imperialist unAfrikan maneuvres by any means
>necessary! We are alert and we are going to take a pro-active stand now,
>for
>as we see it, it's either us the youths to defend the motherland and her
>people or we perish. We prefer to take the first choice, and we will
>execute
>it effectively and successfully! Yes!
>I am not going to repeat what Hallifa said, but I would like to ask the
>so-called intellectuals some simple questions and observations.
>When Nyerere died who asked millions of Tanzanians to weep and moan, and
>spend their whole time glued to their tv and radio sets in the most
>sorrowful manner? Remember Ayitteh and his friend told us that these same
>people were forced out of their homes in the name of villagization
>programmes, in which many lost their lives and property!
>Who told the president Benjamin Mkappa to declare a 30-day mourning, and to
>give the Mwalimu a state funeral?
>Who put all those words of praise and admiration in the mouths of all the
>presidents and world leaders in tribute to the Mwalimu?
>Do you think that 'Dr.' Ayitteh and Ludovich are the wisest and the most
>educated people than the people of Tanzania?
>Do you think that these two pseudo-intellectuals know Nyerere and his time
>of rule more than the common people of Tanzania?
>This is the problem of our 'intellectuals'. They always feel they know more
>than the rest, and so they alone can say it best. No one can fool the
>people. I know that a people can make a wrong decision or choice but it
>does
>not mean you have fooled them. When Mobutu was in power, despite his
>recklessness the people did sing for him and danced for him. And am sure he
>felt that he was fooling the people, but when Laurent Kabila attacked where
>were the dancers and the singers? Why did they not die for him this time?
>When he died who wept and mourned? So you can see that while he thought he
>was fooling the people, the people know fully well that in fact Mobutu is
>the biggest fool, and sometimes as they say do not argue with a fool, for
>people might not see the difference; and so what prevails under such
>leadership is for everyone to be busy about one's survival by any means,
>which unfortunately most of the time breeds corruption, nepotism, and even
>war as seen in the Congo. In my little Gambia, we did dance for Sir Dawda
>Jawara , but nobody shook when the army overthrew him in 1994. So, in
>passing, this is a clear warning to all leaders who may think that because
>people sing and dance for you, you are loved and revered. No. The people
>know what they want, even tho' sometimes the choice is misguided because of
>ignorance and fear and greed. These are the main reasons why we make
>mistakes.
>So back to Nyerere...I think if he was what the false intellectuals wanted
>us to believe then we would not have seen the people of Tanzania and their
>government getting so busy, especially if you know that Nyerere was not an
>admirer of the system in his country. Now can Ludovich tell us for whom was
>he speaking, and why he is writing such a base thing? Are you pushed by
>some
>dollars or promised a professorship by a department of the US governemnt or
>a university in America?
>And now to Ghana...I was in Ghana, at the University of Ghana, Legon where
>I
>graduated in June 1999. During my stay in Ghana I undertook a special study
>of Nkrumah and his government and the Ghanaian society, especially the
>intellectual community. I have spent my own funds, which got me so stranded
>at one point, to buy materials about Nkrumah and Ghana, to travel AROUND
>Accra and Ghana, and pay for services even from market women to study the
>impact of Nkrumah on his compatriots, and how come he was so disliked by
>the
>people. I had held discussions for whole nights; I had abandoned my
>classes,
>and had even co-founded the first Pan-Afrikan movement at legon since
>Nkrumah was overthrown in 1966, all in the attempt to know Nkrumah and the
>people of Ghana. I had discussions with students and lecturers alike, and
>am
>proud to say that I had single-handedly changed the syllabus of a whole
>course in the philosophy department from Western Social and Political
>Philosophy to Pan-Afrikanism and Nkrumaism! This is no mere talking or
>boastfulness, you can contact Legon Philosophy Department, or any
>philosophy
>student who graduated this year. In fact I had recommended to the
>Department
>that we should have a whole course on the Philosophy of Kwame Nkrumah, who
>I
>consider the leading philosopher this century, amd the leading statesman in
>the world this century. I am ready to defend my claims if anybody so wishes
>to challenge me. I am saying all this because as Nkrumah himself used to
>say, it is time for plain talk!!! After having said all of this, I would
>like to tell you that what 'Dr.' Ayitteh wrote is not a surprise to me for
>I
>know it is a typical attitude of many a Ghaanaian intellectual. I do not
>want to name names at this time, but in my discussions with some of the
>professors at legon I heard some of the most sickening ideas about Nkrumah,
>Pan-Afrikanism and Afrika. One Professor told me that Legon is suffering
>because when Nkrumah was in power he brought communism, and drove away all
>investors, and the country is still suffering from that. This is why, he
>said , that they could not equip the school adequately. This professor, I
>know, does not even know how he was educated!!!YES. He went to college FREE
>OF CHARGE WITH THREE SQUARE MEALS!!!!!!!!He clearly does not know anything
>about Nkrumah. He does not know that Legon was made a full university by
>Nkrumah, and all the structures at Legon today were built by Nkrumah, and
>the facilities there then were the best any one can have.And at that time
>it
>was Nkrumah who was in power, not Jesus or God, and the period was not made
>specially for him. I have also found out that over 99 percent, and I repeat
>OVER 99 PERCENT of the students have never, and I repeat NEVER read a book
>written by Nkrumah, but they spend their valuable time castigating Nkrumah,
>whose government laid the foundation on which Ghana survives today. I have
>found out that almost anything that makes Ghana move today was set up by
>Nkrumah, and you take all the subsequent governments of Ghana and you put
>them together, they do not come even an inch near the achievements of the
>Osagyefo. I also talked to people about ethnicity and Nkrumah, and one of
>the leading sociology professors at Legon, Dr. Nukunya, did rightly
>indicate
>that one of the things that Nkrumah should be best remembered for is his
>fight against tribalism, which Nkrumah himself did realise, and in one of
>his meetings with Afrikan freedom fighters he highlighted tribalism as one
>thing that they need to take note of, otherwise which he said could
>jeopardise all our efforts. I have found out that, for example the Ewes do
>not seem to like him because he strategically removed the Akomsombo Dam
>from
>their region. This was in response to the conflict between Togo and Ghana
>over its border and the fate of that part of their countries. You have Ewes
>in both countries on both sides of their border, and because of the fear
>that British Togoland may go to Togo, Nkrumah then redrew the regions of
>Ghana to make sure even if that part did go to Togo the already built dam
>will remain in Ghana, thus the Volta region of the Ewes was denied the dam,
>but not the ELECTRICITY. But again I found out that the reason why you have
>the Ewes with the highest number of intellectuals is because Nkrumah
>created
>a programme which gives them scholarships from the wealth of the other rich
>regions such as the Ashanti. And for that matter I discovered that the
>Ashantis could not see the wisdom for regions to share and help each other,
>and so they disliked the man. Secondly I also discovered that the federal
>constitution the colonialist imposed on Ghana was going to make Ashanti the
>biggest region in terms of people, resources and land size. Furthermore,
>that constitution puts the Ashantehene above the laws that govern
>chieftaincy matters, and consequently making him almost a parallel
>president. Nkrumah sensed that such a constitution was going to create
>conflict in Ghana one day and thus rejected it until a better one was made
>by Ghanaians themselves, but which made the Ashantehene as equal to any
>other king in Ghana under the laws. The Ashanti never liked this. But
>Nkrumah said the colonial imposed constitution is almost like selling Ghana
>to the Ashantis! He made such warnings to the leaders of Nigeria who were
>also forced to accept a colonial federal constitution, but they refused,
>and
>today the regions of Nigeria are the biggest obstacle to their unity asnd
>progress. I found out too that Ashantis have a problem with Nkrumah
>concerning JB Danquah, who was jailed and later died in prison. They
>consider him as the doyen of Ghanaian politics, and he was a big time
>lawyer. But he was nothing other than a neo-colonialsit agent and a
>brain-washed intellectual. During the independence struggle before he broke
>away with Nkrumah, he was very furious for being detained by the
>colonialist, and blamed Nkrumah for that. He was not ready to suffer such
>for his people! He can be said to be the Ayitteh of today, or Ayitteh to be
>the Danquah of yesterday. Also I noticed that the Gas and the northerners
>were not fully comfortable with Nkrumah because of the confusion some
>chiefs
>in Accra and intellectuals created, all in the sefish interest of
>themselves. Nkrumah exposed them all, and he had constanly beaten them in
>elections, even when he was in jail.So out of frustration and jealousy
>these
>chiefs and intellectuals embarked on a campaign of smear and lies to
>destroy
>Nkrumah. When he was overthrown by the USA, Britain and Israel with the aid
>of some unpatriotic Ghanaian soldiers, it was these same intellectuals used
>to discredit Nkrumah. His books were burned and his statues and projects
>destroyed and abandoned. I have found several incomplete buildings for
>schools, hospitals, farms etc etc scattered all over Ghana. One which
>really
>touched my heart was the mental hospital called Pantam, just after Adenta
>in
>the outskirts of Accra. I visited the place and when you enter that
>compound, you would at once realise that this cannot be the work of a
>dictator or a sterile leader. However I must say also that I really did
>meet
>very conscious and patriotic intellectuals in Ghana, whom am really proud
>of. I have also found very conscious students and common people in the
>markets, taxi drivers, farmers and business people, who speak of Nkrumah
>with so much emotion and nostalgia and love.
>I am forced to approach this issue in this manner, because sometimes we
>need
>to know the kind of people who speak and from where they are speaking. If
>the Ayittehs and his friends want us to believe what they said then we need
>to ask lot of questions which really contradict their argument. And for
>those who condemn Hallifa Sallah for speaking the truth about Nyerere and
>Nkrumah should seriously tackle the issue than to pester us with all the
>big
>words they can find in a dictionary. Mr. Sallah is doing a good job in
>Afrika, for he is raising the consciousness of the people. If you people
>over there think that the west is great and exceptional, then it means you
>do ot know the history of the west, neither the history of Afrika. This is
>really sad. Hallifa does not only speak, he acts. He is consistent,a
>patriot
>and a teacher, who prefers to be poor with his people, than to run away
>from
>his people and contribute to the advancement of other people. If Ayitteh
>thinks he is an intellectual and has written so much, and loves his people
>then let him go back to Ghana and help the people with his knowledge, than
>to hide in America, teaching their people, contributing to their economy
>and
>defending them, while his own people are languishing in poverty and
>ignorance. For me a person like Hallifa is the intellectual...a man of the
>mind, and not of heart and desires. If you are a man of intellect, then
>your
>heart should be filled with love for your people, the love to serve
>regardless of wealth, the love for truth and enlightenment. Can Ayitteh and
>his friend claim to have such an intellect and heart? For those Gambians
>who
>sit in the USA and condemn Hallifa, you do not even deserve to be replied
>to. I am making this comment only to allow other people who might not
>understand the issue not to fall victim to your emptiness. Hallifa is the
>bravest and the most righteous Gambia leader since Edward Francis Small.
>While most of us ran away from Sir Dawda and Yaya Jammeh, Hallifa stood and
>spoke for the people with courage, without a gun, a pen nor a paper in his
>hand. He stood with the arsenal of truth in his heart and spoke it with his
>mouth, and he is still speaking the same language. He went to school in
>America, and he could have stayed there like all of you, but he decided to
>come home, because he understood that the development and freedom of the
>Gambia and Afrika is the responsibility of Afrikans, and the fight has to
>be
>done at home, not from abroad. The Ayittehs and his likes would do Afrika a
>great service if they come home amnd together we work for our people, than
>to sit down there and promoting the interest of the west against us.
>Whether
>you know it or not your every second stay in the west is a contribution to
>their development, and a contirbution to our backwardness. If you have
>gained your knowledge and finished your schooling why are you staying
>there?
>If you have all come home and together we struggle it out, do you think we
>would be like this, with bad leaders. Come home and stop bragging out
>there,
>what you have not realised is that the westerners are even laughinhg at
>you,
>saying look at these fools. The struggle is in Afrika and it can only be
>fought in Afrika. America is like this today because their people fought
>for
>their liberation, not in Europe but in America itself!! Some of you
>intellectuals who claim to have a PHD sometimes make me think that going to
>school sometimes is a waste of time, for one would expect correct thinking
>should come from the PHD holders, but what Ayitteh and his friend are
>showing us is that the dullest thinking most of the time comes from PHD
>holders. Think about it.
>
>madi
>
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This is unbelievable...Am I missing something or is this pharmacist out of
her mind telling people expired drugs are ok to use and will continue
dispensing THE EXPIRED DRUGS. I'm sure they taught her in school the
purpose of the expiration date?
From the Daily Observer 11/9/99
Clinic gives patients expired drugs
Chief pharmacist says drugs safe
The Serrekunda Health Centre and other clinics across the country have been
dispensing expired drugs to patients suffering from diarrhoea since January
4, 1999, investigations by Daily Observer revealed yesterday.
The drug, oral rehydration salts, were manufactured on January 4, 1996 and
declared expired on January 4, 1999. The salts were manufactured for the
World Health Organisation (WHO). One patient who was given the expired drug
by nurses at Serrekunda clinic was Jali Madi
Kanuteh of Latrikunda Yiranganya. "After drinking the drug, I realised that
it was expired. I showed it to other people who were at my compound playing
checkers," he said.
Mr Kanuteh argued that since the labelled expiry date for the drug had
expired, health workers should not dispense them to patients. A Ghanaian
teacher expressed concern over the issue. "If you don't publish it, it
could cause more harm than good," he told our reporter. This reporter
visited the Serrekunda clinic last weekend and saw nurses dispensing large
quantities of the expired drug to patients.
Dr Mariama Tala Jallow, chief pharmacist at the Central Medical Store,
yesterday confirmed to the Daily Observer that the oral rehydration salts
were indeed expired but pointed out, "It is still safe to use. We will not
dispense drugs to any patient if it is not safe to use because our main
responsibility is to treat patients and not to give them more problems. And
for diarrhoea, the ordinary ORS doesn't have any side effects. Even if it
has expired, the drug is safe to use."
Dr Jallow further point out that "we only dispense expired drugs from our
health facility if our new stock hasn't arrived yet. Like in this case, the
ORS which we have ordered hasn't arrived. We have been receiving a lot of
drugs but we are still waiting for the ORS. So, in
the meantime, we have assessed this ORS and we know that it is still safe to
use and we should still continue using them.".
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<td width="100%" valign="top"><font face="Verdana, sans serif" color="#000000"><div name='messagebody'>This is unbelievable...Am I missing something or is this pharmacist out of her mind telling people expired drugs are ok to use and will continue dispensing THE EXPIRED DRUGS. I'm sure they taught her in school the purpose of the expiration date?
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<br>From the Daily Observer 11/9/99
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<br>Clinic gives patients expired drugs
<br>Chief pharmacist says drugs safe
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<br>The Serrekunda Health Centre and other clinics across the country have been dispensing expired drugs to patients suffering from diarrhoea since January 4, 1999, investigations by Daily Observer revealed yesterday.
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<br>The drug, oral rehydration salts, were manufactured on January 4, 1996 and declared expired on January 4, 1999. The salts were manufactured for the World Health Organisation (WHO). One patient who was given the expired drug by nurses at Serrekunda clinic was Jali Madi
<br>Kanuteh of Latrikunda Yiranganya. "After drinking the drug, I realised that it was expired. I showed it to other people who were at my compound playing checkers," he said.
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<br>Mr Kanuteh argued that since the labelled expiry date for the drug had expired, health workers should not dispense them to patients. A Ghanaian teacher expressed concern over the issue. "If you don't publish it, it could cause more harm than good," he told our reporter. This reporter visited the Serrekunda clinic last weekend and saw nurses dispensing large quantities of the expired drug to patients.
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<br>Dr Mariama Tala Jallow, chief pharmacist at the Central Medical Store, yesterday confirmed to the Daily Observer that the oral rehydration salts were indeed expired but pointed out, "It is still safe to use. We will not dispense drugs to any patient if it is not safe to use because our main responsibility is to treat patients and not to give them more problems. And for diarrhoea, the ordinary ORS doesn't have any side effects. Even if it has expired, the drug is safe to use."
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<br>Dr Jallow further point out that "we only dispense expired drugs from our health facility if our new stock hasn't arrived yet. Like in this case, the ORS which we have ordered hasn't arrived. We have been receiving a lot of drugs but we are still waiting for the ORS. So, in
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Christenson,
I share this concern with you. This is very scary. I can understand the need
of drugs in the Gambia, but for a pharmacist to declare that "an ordinary ORS
doesn't have any side effects. Even if it has expired" she said. That is very
misleading. There is no antidiarrheals drugs free from side effects just like
any other drugs.
Some of the side effects infact are constipation and the adverse reactions of
using expired drugs are more likely compared to usable ones.
What is more alarming to me is the fact that the pharmacist admitted that
they do dispense "Expired drugs" whiles they wait on new ones. There is no
excuse for this. They should know their inventory and be responsible enough
to know when to place an order.
I do not know about the way drugs are regulated in the Gambia, but hence
they are not manufactured there, there is no reason why we should not heed to
the manufacturers' recommendations. There should be standards to be followed
that every manufacturer of drugs follows and are tested to enhance the
efficacy, biovailability, potency, purity, potency and safety and toxicity
before being supplied to the consumers.
I hope there is a law in the Gambia that guarantees the consumers some rights
where by they could take lagal action against such. There is no acceptable
excuse to dispense expired/wrong meds or dasages to the people.
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I can't agree with you more on this issue.Certainly Dr. Jallow should =
have known better than the unprofessional declaration she made about the =
probable consequences of what anyone could expect from taking an expired =
drug.I do not think it is realistic to conclude that just because there =
were no side effects the drugs are safe. When are you going to realize =
the danger of this practice?Is it when people start dying or when they =
start having very serious sicknesses.
Perhaps since this issue has come to public attention there will be =
measures to remedy this practice.What needs to be done is some changes =
in their modus operandi including proper inventory practices and proper =
statistical records of the time of the year a specific ailment is =
prevalent.I believe that even if that do not prevent shortages it will =
atleast lessen the time of using outdated drugs.
Long Live the Gambia.
Mori Kebba Jammeh =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: astrid christensen-tasong=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 8:57 AM
Subject: Article from the Observer: Expired Drugs
This is unbelievable...Am I missing something or is =
this pharmacist out of her mind telling people expired drugs are ok to =
use and will continue dispensing THE EXPIRED DRUGS. I'm sure they =
taught her in school the purpose of the expiration date?=20
From the Daily Observer 11/9/99=20
Clinic gives patients expired drugs=20
Chief pharmacist says drugs safe=20
The Serrekunda Health Centre and other clinics across the country =
have been dispensing expired drugs to patients suffering from diarrhoea =
since January 4, 1999, investigations by Daily Observer revealed =
yesterday.=20
The drug, oral rehydration salts, were manufactured on January 4, =
1996 and declared expired on January 4, 1999. The salts were =
manufactured for the World Health Organisation (WHO). One patient who =
was given the expired drug by nurses at Serrekunda clinic was Jali Madi=20
Kanuteh of Latrikunda Yiranganya. "After drinking the drug, I =
realised that it was expired. I showed it to other people who were at =
my compound playing checkers," he said.=20
Mr Kanuteh argued that since the labelled expiry date for the drug =
had expired, health workers should not dispense them to patients. A =
Ghanaian teacher expressed concern over the issue. "If you don't =
publish it, it could cause more harm than good," he told our reporter. =
This reporter visited the Serrekunda clinic last weekend and saw nurses =
dispensing large quantities of the expired drug to patients.=20
Dr Mariama Tala Jallow, chief pharmacist at the Central Medical =
Store, yesterday confirmed to the Daily Observer that the oral =
rehydration salts were indeed expired but pointed out, "It is still safe =
to use. We will not dispense drugs to any patient if it is not safe to =
use because our main responsibility is to treat patients and not to give =
them more problems. And for diarrhoea, the ordinary ORS doesn't have any =
side effects. Even if it has expired, the drug is safe to use."=20
Dr Jallow further point out that "we only dispense expired drugs =
from our health facility if our new stock hasn't arrived yet. Like in =
this case, the ORS which we have ordered hasn't arrived. We have been =
receiving a lot of drugs but we are still waiting for the ORS. So, in=20
the meantime, we have assessed this ORS and we know that it is =
still safe to use and we should still continue using them.".=20
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<DIV>I can't agree with you more on this issue.Certainly Dr. Jallow =
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do not=20
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practice?Is=20
it when people start dying or when they start having very serious=20
sicknesses.</DIV>
<DIV>Perhaps since this issue has come to public attention there will be =
measures to remedy this practice.What needs to be done is some changes =
in their=20
modus operandi including proper inventory practices and proper =
statistical=20
records of the time of the year a specific ailment is prevalent.I =
believe=20
that even if that do not prevent shortages it will atleast lessen=20
the time of using outdated drugs.</DIV>
<DIV>Long Live the Gambia.</DIV>
<DIV>Mori Kebba Jammeh </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 09, 1999 8:57 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Article from the Observer: Expired =
Drugs</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV name=3D"messagebody">This is unbelievable...Am I missing =
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is this pharmacist out of her mind telling people expired drugs =
are ok to=20
use and will continue dispensing THE EXPIRED DRUGS. I'm sure =
they=20
taught her in school the purpose of the expiration date? =
<BR><BR><BR>From=20
the Daily Observer 11/9/99 <BR><BR>Clinic gives patients =
expired=20
drugs <BR>Chief pharmacist says drugs safe <BR><BR>The Serrekunda =
Health=20
Centre and other clinics across the country have been dispensing =
expired=20
drugs to patients suffering from diarrhoea since January 4, 1999,=20
investigations by Daily Observer revealed yesterday. <BR><BR>The =
drug,=20
oral rehydration salts, were manufactured on January 4, 1996 and =
declared=20
expired on January 4, 1999. The salts were manufactured for the =
World=20
Health Organisation (WHO). One patient who was given the =
expired=20
drug by nurses at Serrekunda clinic was Jali Madi <BR>Kanuteh of=20
Latrikunda Yiranganya. "After drinking the drug, I realised that =
it was=20
expired. I showed it to other people who were at my compound =
playing=20
checkers," he said. <BR><BR>Mr Kanuteh argued that since the =
labelled=20
expiry date for the drug had expired, health workers should not =
dispense=20
them to patients. A Ghanaian teacher expressed concern over the=20
issue. "If you don't publish it, it could cause more =
harm than=20
good," he told our reporter. This reporter visited the =
Serrekunda=20
clinic last weekend and saw nurses dispensing large quantities of =
the=20
expired drug to patients. <BR><BR>Dr Mariama Tala Jallow, chief =
pharmacist=20
at the Central Medical Store, yesterday confirmed to the Daily=20
Observer that the oral rehydration salts were indeed expired =
but=20
pointed out, "It is still safe to use. We will not dispense drugs =
to any=20
patient if it is not safe to use because our main responsibility =
is to=20
treat patients and not to give them more problems. And for =
diarrhoea, the=20
ordinary ORS doesn't have any side effects. Even if it has =
expired, the=20
drug is safe to use." <BR><BR>Dr Jallow further point out that "we =
only=20
dispense expired drugs from our health facility if our new stock =
hasn't=20
arrived yet. Like in this case, the ORS which we have ordered =
hasn't=20
arrived. We have been receiving a lot of drugs but we are still =
waiting=20
for the ORS. So, in <BR>the meantime, we have assessed this ORS =
and we=20
know that it is still safe to use and we should still continue =
using=20
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Madiba Saidy,
I must commend you for the useful postings you've been forwarding to the L,
for the past few weeks.
I don't know about others, but I, personally, have found most of these
postings very useful, even though I do not subscribe to some of the
views/ideas being propagated by some of these authors.
Brother Saidy, keep the mails coming. You are doing a good job.
It is my policy to read every literature, whether written by the enemy or
the friend!!!
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:43:41 -0800
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>ALI MAZRUI AND SKIP GATES' AFRICA SERIES
>
>Ali Mazrui's "preliminary" critique of Henry-Louis' Gates Africa series
>has been pounding cyber-space with an energy that I have not
>experienced since I became its reluctant and fitful tennant. I am not
>on the iasa-list - to which this is addressed - nor on any other
>circulation list, yet I have had this critique copied to me from over
>two dozen directions, sometimes culled from other lists of whose
>existence I was not even aware - not surprisingly, since, as already
>admitted, I am not really into Internet. I find it odd, very odd. There
>appears to be a driving mechanism behind this, quite outside the normal
>exchange of opinions on a work that is admittedly, by its very nature,
>bound to raise controversy. I find it odd also that, even more than
>Charles Johnson's fair summary of various critiques, Ali Mazrui's
>text appears to have surfaced with the greatest frequency. Of course,
>we must assume that this have to do with his stature as the undisputed
>African specialist of our time.
>
>I see also that Ali Mazrui is pressing his assiduous pursuit of a rival
>by accepting to engage in a further discussion on these series on WLIB
>radio on the night of Sunday 7th November. I have been invited to
>participate but I cannot, as I have not watched the entire series and
>unfortunately cannot do so before the live broadcast which is tomorrow.
>Moreover, I prefer to watch (or read) any kind of creative or
>intellectual product at my own pace, and to avoid succumbing to a pace
>dictated by a demand for critical interjection or the prospect of
>polemics.
>
>It is a pity that Ali Mazrui failed to be guided by his own commencing
>caveat which concedes: "Since I have myself done a television series
>about Africa, perhaps I should keep quiet about Skip Gates' WONDERS OF
>AFRICA" This of course is understating Ali Mazrui's own place in the
>Africa project. His happens to be the only other television series of
>this dimension by a black scholar on the subject of Africa's past and
>present. In short, Ali Mazrui has a fifty per cent stake - at least -
>in the reception that may be accorded to a work that, in effect,
>constitutes a challenge to a long-held monopoly. Every
>knowledgable critique of Skip Gates' work evokes, unquestionably, an
>implicit referential from the only preceding series of its kind. Yes
>indeed, Ali Mazrui should have kept quiet. As Charles Johnson's summary
>has shown, there are other equally competent - both scholarly and
>creative - minds that can pass valuable commentaries on this new
>contribution to perspectives on Africa.
>
>However Ali Mazrui may present himself, he is being a covert plaintiff
>in his own cause, and it is my deeply held conviction that the delights
>of objective criticism and intellectual enlargement have been sullied
>by his energetic, propulsive voice in this exercise. It crosses the
>ethical bounds of intellectualism and deserves the condemnation of all
>who believe that the virtues of criticism transcend self-interest.
>Ali Mazrui and I, let me frankly acknowledge, are ancient adversaries.
>With this level of indecorous conduct, I am reconciled to the fact that
>we are likely to remain so for a long time to come.
>
>Wole Soyinka
>Woodruff Professor of the Arts
>Emory University, Atlanta
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Saul,
I think some of the time we miss our bearings even when we think we are
awake. If you think "Dr" Ayitteh is giving the facts as it is, then I do not
see why you should agree with any of what I wrote, because what i wrote is
diametrically opposed to his claim. And you know very well that you cannot
have two opposing facts. Truth is unity, that is truth is one and NOT TWO!!!
Secondly if you think what "Dr" Ayitteh said is the fact then you need to
answer the questions I raised about every tom, dick and harry Tanzanian
crying his or her heart out for a man said to have forced them out of their
homes in the name of villagization!!!
Thirdly whatever "Dr" Ayitteh has been writing is not the issue. I am not
saying he is a good or bad writer of anything, I am just saying that he is
an "intellectual" who has shown thru his article about Nyerere and Nkrumah
that he is yet to be educated about Afrika and the world. If he wrote
wonderfully on any other matter, why not let him, but that is not the issue,
and those writings cannot be used to defend him anyway!!!
I have never said that Nyerere or Nkrumah and for that matter any of our
leaders have never made any mistake. If you think I ever believed such then
you are grossly under-rating me as a human being and a Muslim, for I believe
that the only unmistakable being is the ALMIGHTY GOD. If you have been
following my writings you would have realised that I always start by
alerting us to always self-examine ourselves in order to understand
ourselves, understand what we want, understand how to get it, and what are
the obstacles in getting what we want, and to understand why up to this time
we have been unable to get what we want. If you follow this reasoning then
you would detect that I am making a claim that then mistakes must have been
committed to have caused us the lack of ability to attain our objective, and
then of course those mistakes must have been committed by former leaders.
Nkrumah did admit his mistakes as well as Nyerere, then who the hell am I to
say they never committed a mistake!!!
Fourthly, and I definitely do not want to say this one, but you see any time
Afrikans want to stand up and speak their mind and the truth, you have
someone get up somewhere and claim: they are racist, subjective, extreme,
emotional, communist, seditious, radicals, and they over glorify Afrika, etc
etc. These things do not move me. In fact I love them, because I know they
called Nyerere and Nkrumah similar names, and they called Malcolm X a racist
while they do not call the KKK a racist but a WHITE EXTREMIST GROUP. These
are the strategies they use to distract us, but as I said earlier a new
youth is emerging in Afrika and no one can beat him down. It is not
possible, for we have taken over, and moving towards victory and success!!!
Fifthly, only reactionaries and detractors of Afrikan progress take the
platform and shout that everything is caused by the colonialist and the
imperialist, which people like you say, look they are blaming the whites.
We, Pan-Afrikanists do not blame colonialism and imperialism, we expose it.
Nkrumah is our first leader to detect that in fact colonialism is not over
yet, it has just changed cover, but the structure is in tact. He thus coined
the term NEO-COLONIALISM. This new witchcraft works thru multi-national
corporations, UN and similar Western-created bodies like the IMF, World bank
etc etc , and thru ideologies like globalisation and world trade and
democracy, cultural and religious bodies, technical assistance and foreign
aid etc etc. I would recommend that you read Nkrumah's books especially:
Neo-colonialism: the last stage of imperialism, Towards colonial freedom,
Consciencism, Revolutionary Path, etc etc!!!
This is my response to you, but I will promise you that we will never allow
any "Dr" to infest us will backward thinking, no matter how well he can
write. That is his business. When I analyse our struggle today I realise
that the fight now is in fact not necessary against the West or anybody, but
against the mentality of our people. Now neo-colonialism and imperialism
are sitting right in the middle of the Afrikan's brain, directing him to get
up and sit down just like that. So the fight is against the mind of the
Afrikan. It is a mental battle, and tho' I might abhore the misleading
thinking of "Dr" Ayitteh and Ludovich Shirima, but am glad they did think so
that we can know the level of our thinking and its direction so as to know
how to attack such mentality and quicken its total and final demise for
good. It all forms part of the self-examination exercise. So let us think,
brothers, so that bad thinking can be weeded out quickly.
By the way thanx a' million times for the advice.
Thanx
madi
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Dear list members
My name is Anna Oliver, I am 16 years old and currently a student in
Sweden.
I am from Gambia but have lived in Sweden for 5 years and England for 3
years.
I am very interested in media,so I was wondering if any one of you knows
about
any good mediahighschool or junior college in the State.
If any one of you does know about any good mediahighschool or junior
college,
then could you please contact me.
Thank you!
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i would love to join if you send me more information.
mini
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>In a message dated 11/8/99 3:42:13 PM Central Standard Time,
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><< i really do think it was really nice of president jammeh to help out
>that
> poor girl. folks we should try and come up with ideas on how to help our
> brothers and sisters back home who are in need cause there are a lot of
> talented youths who don't have the opportunity to further their education
> because of financial difficulties. it was also nice of abdoulie to post
> this on the l cause some people just look at the negative side of
>president
> jammeh and ignore the positive ones.please, lets try and work together to
> make the gambia a better nation. arguing over unnecessary stuff won't
>solve
> the problem. we should always remember that no one is perfect.
> >>
>*********************
>Miss Loum,
>
>Infact, we have an organization called the Gambia Education Support
>Organization that was formed after much discussion on this very issue you
>raise here, namely the need to do what we can to contribute to the
>education
>of our youth. We will be glad to send you a copy of the organizational
>document if you want to join us. .We just sponsored our first four high
>school students for school fess and books.
>The inviatation is also open to one and all who share the concern, so
>please
>consider joining. Thanks.
>
>Jabou Joh
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Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji uun.
(To Allah we belong and to Him is our ultimate return)
My condolence to the entire family.
May his soul rest in perfect peace.And may Allah!(SWT) shower
him with His Mercy and grant him forgiveness.....Ameen!!!!!
Allaahumma ajurnaa fi museebatinaa wakhluf lanaa khayran minhaa.
(We ask for recompense us for our affliction and replace it for us
with something better).Ameen!!!!!
Samba Goddard
> List Members,
> Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji uun.
> The death of our uncle Elliman Kah was announced this morning
> during subha prayers. Our condolences to Fatou kah Jack and Bujet Jack
> of D.C. Pa modou Kah,
> Ousman Kah, Saja Kah, Gibril Joberteh and all members of the Kah family
> in the U.S and also to Mr Dawada Khan , Ousman Kah, Fatou Kah,Omar
> Nyang,Balling , Alh Joberteh and the rest of the family in Norway and
> the rest of the world . May his soul rest in perfect peace. .Funeral
> service will take place at the pipeline mosque this afternoon at 2 pm.
>
> Chi Jamma.
>
> Bro. Sheikh Tejan Nyang
>
> P. S . The death of Koto Salieu Cham who also passed away on sunday was
> not announced on the list. Our condolences to Aunty Pullo Cham and Mrs
> king Cham and the rest of the family. Koto Salifu was a good ndongo
> banjul who was very helpful when he was in the civil service . May his
> soul rest in perfect peace.
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At my job they tell us expired drugs belong to the sewer, i mean we flush
them down the toilet and my message to Dr Jallow is to stop giving her
patients expired drugs.
Alasana Bah
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>This is unbelievable...Am I missing something or is this pharmacist out of
>her mind telling people expired drugs are ok to use and will continue
>dispensing THE EXPIRED DRUGS. I'm sure they taught her in school the
>purpose of the expiration date?
>
>
>From the Daily Observer 11/9/99
>
>Clinic gives patients expired drugs
>Chief pharmacist says drugs safe
>
>The Serrekunda Health Centre and other clinics across the country have been
>dispensing expired drugs to patients suffering from diarrhoea since January
>4, 1999, investigations by Daily Observer revealed yesterday.
>
>The drug, oral rehydration salts, were manufactured on January 4, 1996 and
>declared expired on January 4, 1999. The salts were manufactured for the
>World Health Organisation (WHO). One patient who was given the expired
>drug
>by nurses at Serrekunda clinic was Jali Madi
>Kanuteh of Latrikunda Yiranganya. "After drinking the drug, I realised that
>it was expired. I showed it to other people who were at my compound
>playing
>checkers," he said.
>
>Mr Kanuteh argued that since the labelled expiry date for the drug had
>expired, health workers should not dispense them to patients. A Ghanaian
>teacher expressed concern over the issue. "If you don't publish it, it
>could cause more harm than good," he told our reporter. This reporter
>visited the Serrekunda clinic last weekend and saw nurses dispensing large
>quantities of the expired drug to patients.
>
>Dr Mariama Tala Jallow, chief pharmacist at the Central Medical Store,
>yesterday confirmed to the Daily Observer that the oral rehydration salts
>were indeed expired but pointed out, "It is still safe to use. We will not
>dispense drugs to any patient if it is not safe to use because our main
>responsibility is to treat patients and not to give them more problems. And
>for diarrhoea, the ordinary ORS doesn't have any side effects. Even if it
>has expired, the drug is safe to use."
>
>Dr Jallow further point out that "we only dispense expired drugs from our
>health facility if our new stock hasn't arrived yet. Like in this case, the
>ORS which we have ordered hasn't arrived. We have been receiving a lot of
>drugs but we are still waiting for the ORS. So, in
>the meantime, we have assessed this ORS and we know that it is still safe
>to
>use and we should still continue using them.".
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Cherno Baba,
I probably overreacted at your choice of words. Besides, since you say you
have left Halifa's personality intact there is little point in arguing
otherwise without my becoming even fussier.
Nevertheless, I am convinced that many of us will still be able to enjoy
reading you even if you were less vehement and strident, qualities you could
easily imbibe without compromising neither your fine prose nor the depth of
your arguments.
Thanks a lot,
Momodou S. Sidibeh
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> Hi Sidibeh,
>
> Usually, it is not my policy to respond to my readers' viewpoints about me
> and my writings. I simply let a free flow of information take place,
without
> any replies from me however critical or insulting my readers become. The
> more speech the merrier. However, there are times, very rare indeed,when I
> have to respond if I am grossly represented or when some readers knowingly
> or unknowingly are misleading others.
>
> If you would care to re-read my article and contextualize my use of words,
> you will find that Halifa's personality was left virtually intact; I am
not
> interested in harming his personality, I cannot do it. It is indecent to
do
> just that. Take a sample of my other writings and you will find that I
only
> tackle the issues, not the persons that formulate these issues.
> Personalities interest me very little. I don't care who it is, whether it
is
> Halifa Sallah,or Nelson Mandela, or Mansa Sakura or Abou Khan, the famous
> hunter.
>
> Halifa's ideas as reflected in his posting, and the way his ideas are
> chiseled, became the focuse of my article. And I preyed on his ideas with
> the vehemence and stridency of oratory,a style often identified with my
> other writings. My opinion is there is nothing wrong with that. But then I
> may as well be wrong. Thanks for the correspondence.
>
> Cherno B Jallow
> Wayne State University
> Detroit, MI
>
> >From: MSSidibeh <[log in to unmask]>
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> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 01:41:18 +0100
> >
> >Cherno Jallow,
> >
> >You certainly have a point in maintaining that objective judgment of our
> >leaders is impossible without giving due consideration to the practical
> >consequences of their beliefs and policies. Certainly, Mwalimu saying
one
> >thing or another hardly eased the burden on Tanzanian backs.
> >
> >I think however that, an important missing ingredient from even your
piece
> >and that of Dr. Ayitteh and Mr. Shirima is the ideological imperative,
> >that,
> >perhaps more than anything else, inspired and informed the political
> >choices
> >made by the late Nyerere and other Pan-Africanist leaders of his
> >generation.
> >With time, I should be able to contribute an opinion on this within the
> >week.
> >
> >Last but not the least, I must express disappointment at your choice of
> >words in your personal references to Mr. Halifa Sallah.
> >Issues of this weight are a rarity on Gambia-L (my opinion, obviously).
> >While it did not seem to cloud your judgement, your unnwarranted attack
on
> >Halifa's person seeks to personalise the issue to a degree it does not
> >deserve.
> >
> >I hope Mr. Sallah will refrain from taking your cue and instead respond
in
> >such a manner as to accord this debate some decency, lest it becomes one
in
> >the line of casualties of unnecessary net-guerillarism.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Momodou Sidibeh
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TANZAPHILIA
In January 1964, a little known Ugandan immigrant named John Okello, led =
a group of Africans dissatisfied with the domination of economic and =
political life in Zanzibar by an Arab minority to seize a police =
station. They overpowered the police, succeeded in arming themselves =
with guns and went on a violent rampage in which more than 5000 Arabs =
lost their lives. This revolution brougt to an end the brutal rule by =
Arabs over the African majority; a rule that was supported by the =
British who continued to treat Zanzibar as an Arab colony. The =
Revolutionary Council that was set up was led by Karume and included the =
legendary Abdulrahman Muhammed Babu.
The Zanzibari Revolution was swiftly followed by a chain reaction in =
Tanganyika, Kenya, and Uganda. Officers from both the army and the =
police mutinied for general resentment against the continuing presence =
of British army officers and for better pay. The governments were =
alarmed and Nyerere himself went into hiding for a couple of days as the =
mutineers had seized State House and the airport at Dar es Salaam. The =
situation was only brought under control after he appealed for =
assistance from the British.=20
Meanwhile, Marxists were effectively in power in Zanzibar. Western =
countries witheld recognition of the new state but China, East Germany =
and the Soviet Union were swift in their offer of aid and support, and =
without delay commuinist technicians arrived in Zanzibar.
Nyerere became alarmed and feared for Zanzibar being drawn into the Cold =
War, while loosing any possibility of influencing the course of events =
there. So he proposed a union with Zanzibar. Together with the island =
of Pemba, the result of that union became known as Tanzania. Briefly, =
this is the historical setting that defined the ideolgical process =
laying the foundation of what became known as Ujaama.
In Europe, like many other African leaders, Nyerere experienced the =
horrors of capitalism at first hand. The gross exploitation of the =
workers and peasants by an elite ruling class, racism, and the =
humiliation of having to see fellow Africans being brutally exploited by =
colonial governments even as many of these lost their lives in fighting =
to liberate Europeans from the horrors of German fascism, were for many =
of them, as powerful an indictment of capitalism as was imaginable.=20
So African leaders like Nkrumah, Modibo Keita, Amilcar Cabral, Agostino =
Neto, Sekou Toure and others, (many of them trained in the West) became =
ardent Socialists. Added to this is the fact that capitalism produced =
nothing attractive to Black Africans.
Colonial governments were dictatorial, autocratic and brutal. Not only =
were the educational systems they designed geared towards serving their =
own interests, but the economic infrastructure was destructive of =
African indegenous industries, and discouraged competition with their =
metropolitan counterparts, this to the extent that African states were =
reduced to producing nothing but primary products. Also, colonial policy =
did not create ethnicity in Africa but it promoted ethnic consciousness =
and helped stratify society on those lines.
Eventually, while African colonies were waging bitter and bloody =
struggles to liberate themselves from colonial domination (the =
Portuguese colonies in particular) many Western Governments were helping =
these colonialists to remain in power as a pretext to ward off Soviet =
interests in the continent. Their policies sharply contrasted with the =
solidarity and material support offered by socialist/communists states =
to people struggling and yearning for freedom. =20
So clearly, the ideological lines were visibly drawn and it appears to =
me as a matter of common sense as to what choice many of the leaders =
made. The choice for socialism was not so much of a case of pitting =
Marxist economic organisation of society against the free market system. =
It was more of an instance of putting up cultural resistance against and =
constructing a psychological distance from a system which first enslaved =
Africans for centuries before subjecting them to the horrors of imperial =
colonial rule. Besides, socialist theory with its emphasis on an =
egalitarian ethic fitted very well with the urgent question of =
addressing the social and economic injustices apparent everywhere in the =
newly independent countries.
Nvertheless, Nyerere's case was a rare instance of uncommon wisdom. The =
union with Zanzibar brought under his control a tiny island that the =
West feared was becoming an African Cuba. He brought Abdulrahman Babu =
and Kassim Hanga into his government and thereby retained the support of =
their international friends, China and the Soviet Union. (Babu earlier =
worked for the New China News agency and Hanga who studied in Moscow had =
married a Russian woman). Yet he exercised moderacy in his committment =
to socialism by refusing to link up his ideological persuasion as a =
version either that of Marx and Lenin or that of Mao-Tse Tung. Instead, =
he polished
his socialist ideals and cloaked them with a primitive African =
communalist reality, all of it laundered and ironed into an originality =
he called Ujaama. He loosely translated this to mean "familyhood" in =
English; and everybody got happy. Mwalimu the theoretician, was born and =
in his vision was an African country where colonial neglect of the rural =
areas, especially, came to an abrupt end. This way Julius Nyerere became =
the darling of both East and West and firmly placed his country outside =
the cold-war theatre, getting massive aid from everyone and everywhere, =
and the CIA had therefore, no cause to plot his overthrow - a fate met =
by many African radical leaders who sat squarely in the Soviet camp. =
Consequently, Tanzania enjoyed a long period of political stability.=20
Ujaama was officially launched in 1967 and that was a particularly =
euphoric year in modern Tanzanian history. Nyerere did not just get =
massive international backing and support. The majority of Tanzanians =
were firmly behind him and there were genuine hopes that Nyerere's =
African socialism would serve as a ready model for developing otherwise =
undeveloped African countries. None other than Ali Mazrui labelled the =
contagious euphoria as "Tanzaphilia"!
True, Nyerere threw away and gave up the ideals of a democratic society =
as stipulated in the Tanzanian constitution. But so did almost everyone =
else.=20
The reasons for this development seems to me quite simple:
The Westminster model of constitutions that independent African states =
authored for themselves had no basis in African political traditions. =
That colonial governments that helped shape them were themselves =
insiduously autocratic, meant these constitutions were literally alien.
Secondly, democracy as a system of rule emerged through a process of =
long continuous struggle everywhere. The concept of Western democracy =
has meaning only in the presence of a loyal opposition. i.e a necessary =
condition for a democratic state is the presence of a dialectically =
opposite counterpart that lays claim to improve conditions by =
criticising the party in power. This, I would dare stick out my neck, is =
also alien to Africa. It is true as Nyerere himself would later say, =
that "the men would sit under a tree and argue until a consensus is =
reached". But as soon as agreement is made, dissent becomes taboo. Our =
own historian, Patience Godwin-Sonko has written about this. But this =
formula fits more with the modern understanding of a one-party state =
rather than the constitutionally sanctioned presence of a loyal =
opposition, which by fiat, need not keep silent only because a consensus =
had already been reached on a particular issue. I think investigating =
our concept of a loyal opposition is of particular importance. What =
indeed are the Mandinka, or for that matter Wollof or Fula words for a =
political opposition?
Infact, Joseph Diescho writes "....Africans experimenting with =
democracy...have no experience with the kind of opposition necessary to =
strengthen a republic" and the "whole practice of opposition is alien =
to the universe of thought in African societies". He goes so far as to =
say that there is no neutral word for opposition in existing African =
languages; that in Southern African languages the words that approximate =
to the Western notion of an opposition do not contain the element of =
loyalty; that its meaning borders on destroying and eliminating the one =
being opposed.=20
Is it too surprising then that we see all the leaders readily silencing =
opponents and throwing journalists into jail? Have they not been =
champions at eliminating opponents, feeding some to crocodiles?
[ To this day, the educated elite is subscribing to this confusion of =
cultural political alienation by naming political parties for PPP, NCP =
APRC, PDOIS, UDP, etc. All these names together with their "magic" =
acronyms are not only unpronounceable by the great majority of Gambians, =
it is only with great difficulty that common illiterates can remember =
whatever notions of idealist visions lie behind them. Instead of =
worrying about these meanings they simply replace the messenger for the =
message. This way the politicians themselves aid in introducing a =
politics of personalities instead of issues. The acronyms are duely =
appropriated as symbols for the party].
Thirdly, that proponent of liberal democray, the bourgeiosie was absent =
in many countries; and where it existed it was weak, embryonic and tiny, =
and not infact truely bourgeois. Where it evinced a courageous political =
and economic alternative, it ran the risk of passing as an =
antiliberationist force especially in countries where memories of the =
liberation struggle and institutionalised racism were so deep.=20
For these and other reasons it is understandable that Nyerere and other =
leaders threw away the democratic ideals which they swore to defend and =
uphold immediately after assuming power. Most of Africa, with its =
internal schisms and searing poverty and chaos, was simply waiting to be =
controlled by a strong man at the helm - either through the military =
apparatus or by controlling the system of distribution - preying upon a =
very weak state structure. Of course, many of the leaders were just =
callous idiots!
Yes, Ujaama failed, and Ayitteh and Shirima told us the reasons why. But =
they neither told us all the reasons of failure nor the little =
successes! In 1973, signs of failure were clearly visible in the =
villagisation scheme. Up to that time the relocation of peasants was =
virtually voluntary and only 2 percent of the population had been moved. =
Nyerere became impatient and changed policy towards enforced =
villagisation. But by this time world-wide recession as a result of the =
first oil shock was already underway. The price of Tanzanian exports =
such as tea and sisal fell like meteors. The ulready unfair terms of =
trade became even worse for all African economies. In 1970 one ton of =
exported tea could fetch for Tanzania 60 barrels of oil. By 1980 the =
same quantity of tea earned them less than 5 barrels! The country was by =
now running a deficit economy and its debt kept soaring, making it =
impossible to import spare parts. Drought also took its toll on =
agricultural production. Tanzania also incurred severe costs - estimated =
at US$500 million - in liberating Uganda from Idi Amin's terror.
A few bright sides are that 40% of villages were provided with running =
water while three out of ten had clinics. Adult literacy grew from ten =
to ninety-five percent while average life expectancy rose from 41 to 51 =
years. School attendance soared from 25% of the children to 95% while =
infant mortality felt to half of what it was in 1960.=20
These were by all means modest achievements by a country that was the =
most helped. Ujaama failed terribly, without question. But in contrast =
to what Ayyiteh and Sharima wrote, Nyerere was very honest in admitting =
failure even before he resigned as President in 1984. He did not seek to =
lay the blame on Mwinyi, his succcessor.
Given that other leaders who chose the capitalist path towards economic =
organisation of their countries failed almost equally miserably, but =
perhaps less dramatically, it was incredible that the authors chose to =
argue against Nyerere being a saint without telling us the concrete =
historical circumstances that presented him with an alternative course =
of action which could have prevented him from becoming a knave.=20
Did he have a more reasonable choice, say, other than in 1973 when he =
could have changed course, instead of stubbornly declaring ".....we =
shall never change"? Was there anyone, anywhere, who advised or opposed =
"Ujaama" from the beginning?
My belief is that in spite of similarities of experience with other =
colonised and oppressed peoples, there were no blueprints anywhere in =
the world, at the dawn of independence, that correctly could tell =
Africans what road to take towards social progress.
Sorry, It became just too long, but well that's it!
Momodou S. Sidibeh,
Stockholm/Kartong
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capitalism=20
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<DIV>So African leaders like Nkrumah, Modibo Keita, Amilcar Cabral, =
Agostino Neto, Sekou Toure and others, (many of them trained in the =
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ardent Socialists. Added to this is the fact that capitalism produced =
nothing=20
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Colonial governments were dictatorial, autocratic and brutal. Not =
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indegenous=20
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Africa but=20
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<DIV>Eventually, while African colonies were waging bitter and =
bloody=20
struggles to liberate themselves from colonial domination (the =
Portuguese=20
colonies in particular) many Western Governments were helping these =
colonialists=20
to remain in power as a pretext to ward off Soviet interests in the =
continent.=20
Their policies sharply contrasted with the solidarity and material =
support=20
offered by socialist/communists states to people struggling and yearning =
for=20
freedom. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So clearly, the ideological lines were visibly drawn and it appears =
to me=20
as a matter of common sense as to what choice many of the leaders made. =
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choice for socialism was not so much of a case of pitting Marxist =
economic=20
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an=20
instance of putting up cultural resistance against and constructing a=20
psychological distance from a system which first enslaved Africans for =
centuries=20
before subjecting them to the horrors of imperial colonial rule. =
Besides,=20
socialist theory with its emphasis on an egalitarian ethic fitted very =
well with=20
the urgent question of addressing the social and economic injustices =
apparent=20
everywhere in the newly independent countries.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Nvertheless, Nyerere's case was a rare instance of uncommon wisdom. =
The=20
union with Zanzibar brought under his control a tiny island that the =
West feared=20
was becoming an African Cuba. He brought Abdulrahman Babu and Kassim =
Hanga into=20
his government and thereby retained the support of their international =
friends,=20
China and the Soviet Union. (Babu earlier worked for the New China News =
agency=20
and Hanga who studied in Moscow had married a Russian woman). Yet he =
exercised=20
moderacy in his committment to socialism by refusing to link up his =
ideological=20
persuasion as a version either that of Marx and Lenin or that of Mao-Tse =
Tung.=20
Instead, he polished</DIV>
<DIV>his socialist ideals and cloaked them with a primitive African =
communalist=20
reality, all of it laundered and ironed into an originality he called =
Ujaama. He=20
loosely translated this to mean "familyhood" in English; and everybody =
got=20
happy. Mwalimu the theoretician, was born and in his vision was an =
African=20
country where colonial neglect of the rural areas, especially, came to =
an abrupt=20
end. This way Julius Nyerere became the darling of both East and West =
and firmly=20
placed his country outside the cold-war theatre, getting massive aid =
from=20
everyone and everywhere, and the CIA had therefore, no cause to plot his =
overthrow - a fate met by many African radical leaders who sat =
squarely in=20
the Soviet camp. Consequently, Tanzania enjoyed a long period of =
political=20
stability. </DIV>
<DIV>Ujaama was officially launched in 1967 and that was a particularly =
euphoric=20
year in modern Tanzanian history. Nyerere did not just get massive =
international=20
backing and support. The majority of Tanzanians were firmly behind him =
and there=20
were genuine hopes that Nyerere's African socialism would serve as a =
ready model=20
for developing otherwise undeveloped African countries. None other than =
Ali=20
Mazrui labelled the contagious euphoria as "Tanzaphilia"!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>True, Nyerere threw away and gave up the ideals of a democratic =
society as=20
stipulated in the Tanzanian constitution. But so did almost everyone =
else.=20
</DIV>
<DIV>The reasons for this development seems to me quite simple:</DIV>
<DIV>The Westminster model of constitutions that independent African =
states=20
authored for themselves had no basis in African political traditions. =
That=20
colonial governments that helped shape them were themselves insiduously=20
autocratic, meant these constitutions were literally alien.</DIV>
<DIV>Secondly, democracy as a system of rule emerged through a =
process of=20
long continuous struggle everywhere. The concept of Western democracy =
has=20
meaning only in the presence of a loyal opposition. i.e a necessary =
condition for a democratic state is the presence of a dialectically =
opposite=20
counterpart that lays claim to improve conditions by criticising =
the party=20
in power. This, I would dare stick out my neck, is also alien to Africa. =
It is=20
true as Nyerere himself would later say, that "the men would sit under a =
tree=20
and argue until a consensus is reached". But as soon as agreement =
is made,=20
dissent becomes taboo. Our own historian, Patience Godwin-Sonko has =
written=20
about this. But this formula fits more with the modern =
understanding of a=20
one-party state rather than the constitutionally sanctioned presence of =
a loyal=20
opposition, which by fiat, need not keep silent only because a consensus =
had=20
already been reached on a particular issue. I think=20
investigating our concept of a loyal opposition is of particular =
importance. =20
What indeed are the Mandinka, or for that matter Wollof or Fula words =
for a=20
political opposition?</DIV>
<DIV>Infact, Joseph Diescho writes "....Africans experimenting with=20
democracy...have no experience with the kind of opposition necessary to=20
strengthen a republic" and the "whole practice of opposition is =
alien to=20
the universe of thought in African societies". He goes so far as to say =
that=20
there is no neutral word for opposition in existing African languages; =
that in=20
Southern African languages the words that approximate to the Western =
notion of=20
an opposition do not contain the element of loyalty; that its meaning =
borders on=20
destroying and eliminating the one being opposed. </DIV>
<DIV>Is it too surprising then that we see all the leaders readily =
silencing=20
opponents and throwing journalists into jail? Have they not been =
champions=20
at eliminating opponents, feeding some to crocodiles?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>[ </FONT>To this day, the educated elite is =
subscribing to=20
this confusion of cultural political alienation by naming =
political=20
parties for PPP, NCP APRC, PDOIS, UDP, etc. All these names together =
with their=20
"magic" acronyms are not only unpronounceable by the great majority of =
Gambians,=20
it is only with great difficulty that common illiterates can =
remember=20
whatever notions of idealist visions lie behind them. Instead of =
worrying about=20
these meanings they simply replace the messenger for the message. This =
way the=20
politicians themselves aid in introducing a politics of personalities =
instead of=20
issues. The acronyms are duely appropriated as symbols for the =
party].</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thirdly, that proponent of liberal democray, the bourgeiosie was =
absent in=20
many countries; and where it existed it was weak, embryonic and tiny, =
and not=20
infact truely bourgeois. Where it evinced a courageous political and =
economic=20
alternative, it ran the risk of passing as an antiliberationist force =
especially=20
in countries where memories of the liberation struggle and =
institutionalised=20
racism were so deep. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>For these and other reasons it is understandable that Nyerere and =
other=20
leaders threw away the democratic ideals which they swore to =
defend and=20
uphold immediately after assuming power. Most of Africa, with its =
internal=20
schisms and searing poverty and chaos, was simply waiting to be =
controlled by a=20
strong man at the helm - either through the military apparatus or by =
controlling=20
the system of distribution - preying upon a very weak state structure. =
Of=20
course, many of the leaders were just callous idiots!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Yes, Ujaama failed, and Ayitteh and Shirima told us the reasons =
why. But=20
they neither told us all the reasons of failure nor the little =
successes! In=20
1973, signs of failure were clearly visible in the villagisation scheme. =
Up to=20
that time the relocation of peasants was virtually voluntary and only 2 =
percent=20
of the population had been moved. Nyerere became impatient and changed =
policy=20
towards enforced villagisation. But by this time world-wide recession as =
a=20
result of the first oil shock was already underway. The price of =
Tanzanian=20
exports such as tea and sisal fell like meteors. The ulready unfair =
terms of=20
trade became even worse for all African economies. In 1970 one ton of =
exported=20
tea could fetch for Tanzania 60 barrels of oil. By 1980 the same =
quantity=20
of tea earned them less than 5 barrels! The country was by now running a =
deficit=20
economy and its debt kept soaring, making it impossible to import spare =
parts.=20
Drought also took its toll on agricultural production. Tanzania also =
incurred=20
severe costs - estimated at US$500 million - in liberating Uganda from =
Idi=20
Amin's terror.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>A few bright sides are that 40% of villages were provided with =
running=20
water while three out of ten had clinics. Adult literacy grew from ten =
to=20
ninety-five percent while average life expectancy rose from 41 to 51 =
years.=20
School attendance soared from 25% of the children to 95% while infant =
mortality=20
felt to half of what it was in 1960. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>These were by all means modest achievements by a country that =
was the=20
most helped. Ujaama failed terribly, without question. But in contrast =
to what=20
Ayyiteh and Sharima wrote, Nyerere was very honest in admitting failure =
even=20
before he resigned as President in 1984. He did not seek to lay the =
blame on=20
Mwinyi, his succcessor.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Given that other leaders who chose the capitalist path towards =
economic=20
organisation of their countries failed almost equally miserably, =
but=20
perhaps less dramatically, it was incredible that the authors chose to =
argue=20
against Nyerere being a saint without telling us the concrete historical =
circumstances that presented him with an alternative course of action =
which=20
could have prevented him from becoming a knave. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Did he have a more reasonable choice, say, other than in 1973 when =
he could=20
have changed course, instead of stubbornly declaring ".....we shall =
never=20
change"? Was there anyone, anywhere, who advised or opposed =
"Ujaama" from=20
the beginning?</DIV>
<DIV>My belief is that in spite of similarities of experience with other =
colonised and oppressed peoples, there were no blueprints anywhere in =
the world,=20
at the dawn of independence, that correctly could tell Africans what =
road to=20
take towards social progress.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sorry, It became just too long, but well that's it!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Momodou S. Sidibeh,</DIV>
<DIV>Stockholm/Kartong</DIV>
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<< i would love to join if you send me more information.
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l will send the GESO document to your private email address. You will also
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joining hands with GESO.
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Hi Ebrima,
Thanks for the interest in the articles I forward to the list. Like you,
my forwarding the articles to the list is neither an endorsement nor a
repudiation of the views expressed therein. I do so (as FYI) because I
find them very interesting.
As we say in Nigeria, "Thanks for Thanking me".....I'll keep them
coming!
Have a good day!
Cheers,
Madiba.
On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, ebrima ceesay wrote:
> Madiba Saidy,
>
> I must commend you for the useful postings you've been forwarding to the L,
> for the past few weeks.
>
> I don't know about others, but I, personally, have found most of these
> postings very useful, even though I do not subscribe to some of the
> views/ideas being propagated by some of these authors.
>
> Brother Saidy, keep the mails coming. You are doing a good job.
>
> It is my policy to read every literature, whether written by the enemy or
> the friend!!!
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> Ebrima Ceesay,
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Ousman,
As you say I share your concern, and the use of expired
products has serious and scary implications.
On a point of clarification however, Oral Rehydration Salts
(ORS) are not strictly speaking antidiarrheals, i.e. they do
not prevent diarrhea, rather they just replace vital minerals
which are lost through diarrhea. Some years ago before ORS
was widely available people were advised to make their own
ORS consisting of boiled water, salt and sugar (I've forgotten
the proprtions). I can even recall a public information poster
to that effect. Antidiarrheals are a very different thing, and are
infact very dangerous. Poducts such as "Lomotil" and others
have the effect of "freezing" the bowels, leading to the
diarrhea (and therefore the bacterial causing it) remaining in
the body for a certain length of time. This can actually cause
death, especially in young infants.
Whether expired ORS specifically present any health risk or
not, I am not qualified to say, and is anyway beside the
point. Dispensing expired drugs, or indeed any other product
(such as food products) should be illegal. If one starts to
make exceptions how is one to judge what is a "safe"
expired product from an "unsafe" one? Whilst Chief
Pharmacists may be able to distinguish between the two,
other members of staff might not be able to tell and a
precedent would have been made which could extend to
more dangerous products.
If there was a shortage of ORS would it not have been better
just to resort to the previous "home-made" method as
advised by the Health Authorities in the past?
Yeenduleen ak jaama
Tony
>>> Ousman Bojang <[log in to unmask]> 9/November/1999
03:55pm >>>
Christenson,
I share this concern with you. This is very scary. I can
understand the need
of drugs in the Gambia, but for a pharmacist to declare that
"an ordinary ORS
doesn't have any side effects. Even if it has expired" she
said. That is very
misleading. There is no antidiarrheals drugs free from side
effects just like
any other drugs.
Some of the side effects infact are constipation and the
adverse reactions of
using expired drugs are more likely compared to usable
ones.
What is more alarming to me is the fact that the pharmacist
admitted that
they do dispense "Expired drugs" whiles they wait on new
ones. There is no
excuse for this. They should know their inventory and be
responsible enough
to know when to place an order.
I do not know about the way drugs are regulated in the
Gambia, but hence
they are not manufactured there, there is no reason why we
should not heed to
the manufacturers' recommendations. There should be
standards to be followed
that every manufacturer of drugs follows and are tested to
enhance the
efficacy, biovailability, potency, purity, potency and safety
and toxicity
before being supplied to the consumers.
I hope there is a law in the Gambia that guarantees the
consumers some rights
where by they could take lagal action against such. There is
no acceptable
excuse to dispense expired/wrong meds or dasages to the
people.
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The question about Nyerere and Nkuruma are very complex ones, as we have
seen defferent annalyses on this pannel concerning their contributions to
the development and problems of Africa.
However, some contributors had used their scholarstic strengths in order to
give us a picture of the achivements and failures of these two African
leaders.Well, we must first accept that,to be part of a problem, one must
first be part of the solution! in doing so there is a risk to be part of the
problem .Otherwise, one can never be part of the problem if you are not part
of the solution! This is why Nkruma and Nyerere became part of the problems
of Africa.
African scholars should by now realize the fault of our leaders and start to
make a change. Yes, Halifa is right to take reference to colonialism and the
geopardy created by western politics in Africa!
We must take account of history to be able to solve our present problems.
The western economic view of development suggest a mass, concious,
concented, systematic and scientific mobilization of all available
resources, being human & material to achieve a tatal upward of
development.And this must of course colaborate with the cultural social
meanings of the people. It is then a fact that, we need our own values and
meanings to attribute to both economic,social and political development.
This is where our sscholars failed! "African western-brains" called
"interlectuals" They emulate the western philosophies to be implimented in
Africa. Where in Africa had they succeeded? None! Miracle! The reason is
that, they are not applicable to hte traditions and cultural values of our
societies! This is a very important economic factor of development that we
have been under estimating all along.
We should not put all the blame on the west because we are also part of the
problem! Actions speaks louder than words!
Nyerere and Nkuruma where both part of the problem and the
development!However, they were not like the average African leaders like
Dawda Jawara of the Gambia, Mobutu of Zaire, Bongo of Gabon, Bukasa of the
Central African Republic, Said Barrre of Somalia, Samuel Doe of LIbeeria ,
Houphet Boigny of Ivory coast, the list can be long.
The over greedy attitudes of these leaders have given rise to
social,political and economic instability in Africa. That is why an
exception should always be made to give credit to these two great African
leaders who where at least trying to be part of the solution. We should give
them credit in order to encourage those who are trying to be part of the
solution.
Nyerere and Nkuruma had good development plans.There plans were killed by
both internal and external forces. Nkuruma believed primarily in achieving
political independence as a precondition for economic independence and
development. His ideas based on agriculture, industrialisation and African
Socialism. Nkuruma thought that for thses economic aspirations to
materialise, education, training and a wider market was essential. That was
why Nkuruma invested a large part of Ghana's GNP on education and making
Ghana one of the most literate societies in Africa.( They were very
instrumental in the education system of the Gambia during my school days)
In order to achieve a wider market, Nkuruma tried to work for the unity of
Africa. He tried to the lay the foundation for an economicc industrial leap
forward by creating the Akosomo hydroelectric dam to cater for the electric
needs of the people. He created several universities, Research institudes,
etc. If he had not been overthrown in a military coup, we are certain that
his economic dreams could have substantially alleviated the economic
desperation of the African continent. However, we should always try to
remember his foresight and investments, because of this Ghana is one of the
best and most promising economies of Africa.
Nyerere's development plans were followed up in principle but hard to follow
up in reality. The irony of the matter is that, at every point in the time
of the plan implimentation period, unforeseen social, cultural and exogenous
factors stepped in, to distruct funds from the plan budget earning cost over
run. Nyere did not have the appropiate trained manpower to impliment such
good plans to his desires. There was a serious talent defect. To forsta
development is not merely to have good plans, but how to transform those
plans into appropiate development forces.
We can now see what these two men, Nkuruma and Nyere have in common.They had
similar problems with their ideas. Lack of human resource! The efforts for
industrialisation fadded away because of its inability to have foreseen the
anxilliarry defects and problems of a sudden industrialisation at that stage
of economic backwardness without well trained labour force.
Industrialisation goes in hand with the required technical skills and
know-how.
We can see that the ideas where not the problems. The economic failure in
Africa is due to the still deteriorating social situation.Unless we accept
that actions speaks lounder than voice,and the so called "Interlectuals"
"The western trained brains" stop their ideas of "interlectaual gymnastics"
we shall remain and shall always be far behind development. (As Musa Ngom
says "Africa, Africa competing for last position, we took first")
Admittedly, there is little doubt that economic development cannot
materialised in the absence of accurate planning, implementation and
management! and this is what Africa needs! We must take the opportunity to
be part of the solution or be part of the problem. Those who can and are not
there to be part of the solution are the real PROBLEMS of Africa! Nkuruma
and Nyerere where no island they needed dedicated people to work with and
this is the reason why their ideas fadded away and we now trying to account
them as part of the problems of Africa.
I hope we can stimulate more accute and genguine problems in Africa like
pooverty,desease,fimine, hunger, war, injustice, peace, criminality,
education,politics and economics.
Long live Africa!
Thank you.
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FUND RAISING PARTY! FUND RAISING PARTY!
The Elders/Aid Committee of the Organisation of Gambians in Sweden =
(OGIS)
hereby invites you to a Fund Raising party.
Purpose:
* To help sponsure the shipment of the GAPD=B4s (Gambia Association of
the Physically Disabled) container=20
* To contribute towards the recent heavy rains disaster relief
services in the Gambia.
Dates: 12th Nov.99 and 19th Nov. 99
Place: Tendaba Restaurant, Kruthusbacken 40, T-Solna/utg=E5ng R=E5sunda =
Stadion
Time: 2000hrs Onwards
DJs
Bro GO the GO! Mukasa! B.O!
Entrance: 50 kr
All are invited, WELCOME!=20
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Spokesman ( OGIS )
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Tony,
Thanks for that info. I remember the kind of supplement you are trying to
explain. It seems that it is the same as Pedialyte. Those things used to work
for us. In fact if it is the same thing, you are very right they could just
have recommended that instead of qualifying the use of expired ORS'. I know
that a mere normal saline and sterile water is not to be used after its
expiration date more over an oral consumption substance.
And you know one thing that stunned me most, the part of the story that said
that the Health Department has been dispensing expired drugs before receiving
the new stocks. I hope such things could be avoided. It is not only dangerous
to the patient, but it could be counter productive to the fighting of
disease/infection in a society.
Once again, thanks for that enlightenment.
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Woe be to CORRUPTION
Corruption is a small seed in the flesh of man that can hardly die. You
can't just kill it with words, intimidation, preaching, for others will
never hear. The human being Economics teaches us that can never ever be
satisfied with their material well being.
Many things have been said about this never die word and many books have
been written about how to end it but still the solution elusive.
Some time in the history of The Gambia a Mr. Soldier Man and & Co.Plc.took
the reigns of govt. thinking that they will be able to kill this seed. But
the revelations in recent Daily Observer issues are contrary to their
dreams. As I said, corruption is a "never die" tree. The best way to
kill/maim this manipulative evil is by sitting down and using brain and not
brawn. I will suggest the following steps:
First ask yourself these questions;
1. What is Corruption?
2. What makes a people to be corrupt?
3. Where and Where else does it exist?
4. Am I, myself corrupt based on the above?
5. Are those around me corrupt too?
To solve a problem, you first of all need to understand the nitty gritty of
the problem, otherwise you may be trying to fit a squared peg into a round
hole.
If the Civil Service is still not well paid, how do we expect them to be
corruption free?. If bosses are flying in and out of the country without
achieving even the cost of the cup of coffee they were served during the
trip, how do you expect those behind to be well dedicated workers? Of course
officers should travel but at minimal cost to the state and when and only
where necessary. But not just because Mr. Chang came to me so I should also
go to him for; what??
Nuclear weapons cannot kill corruption, so what else can kill it in The
Gambia. Good pay and good examples from those above. The people who put in
place measures to combat this social ill are the very same people who invent
ways of the beating their own system. This is because their take home pay
and incentives are not enough to feed the dependents at home. Therefore a
broaderlook at corruption in The Gambia can be started by looking at pay,
job creation to reduce dependency and many more. What do you have to say
folks
UNCLE JAY
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THE NIGERIAN DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENT
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That The World May Know
In Memory of Ken Saro-Wiwa
Wednesday, November 10, 1999
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Four years ago, news of the extra-judicial murder of Ken Saro-Wiwa and
eight other Ogoni activists hit the world like a thunderbolt out of the
blues. It was the supreme sacrifice paid by these individuals for a worthy
cause - calling attention of the world to the environmental devastation of
their Ogoni communities, their economic marginalization and their need for
greater autonomy and control of their lives. At the same time, it let the
world know the true character of the brutal regime of Sani Abacha, and
removed once and for all any mis-taking of its evil nature.
On this first anniversary after the dawn of our nascent civilian
democracy, we remember Baribor Bera, Saturday Dobee, Nordu Eawo, Daniel
Gbokoo, Barinem Kiobel, John Kpuinen, Paul Levura, Felix Nuate and of
course Ken Saro-Wiwa, and pledge that their fight for a true federalism in
Nigeria will never diminish.
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Vanguard: 5th Lead story
Ogonis lament woes *Four years after Saro-Wiwa
By Sam Onwuemeodo, Port Harcourt
THE Movement for the Survival of the Ogoni People (MOSOP) which marks
today, the fourth anniversary of the hanging of its leader, Ken
Saro-Wiwa and eight other Ogonis, lamented yesterday that Ogoniland
remained "polluted and our waterways fouled."
However, counsel to Ken, Mr. Femi Falana said yesterday that members
of the tribunal that sentenced the "Ogoni Nine" to death must be tried
in Ogoniland.
According to the US branch of the movement, compensation from the
Obasanjo government has also "failed to arrive," while Shell
"continues to put pressure the government to reopen operations in
Ogoni.
Ken, Baribor Bela, Saturday Dobee, Nordu Eawo, Daniel Gbokoo, Barinem
Kiobel, John Kpuinen, Paul Levura and Felix Nuate were hanged on
November 10, 1995 in the Port Harcourt Prisons just a few days after
they were sentenced to death by a military tribunal for the murder of
four Ogoni leaders.
Their executions earned for Nigeria, particularly the Sani Abacha
regime, much hatred abroad, culminating in the suspension of Nigeria
from the Commonwealth.
The executions came while that organisation's Heads of State and
Government were meeting in New Zealand.
Nigeria will be formally rejoining the organisation later this month
in South Africa where the next meeting comes up.
However, in a statement in Chicago, USA to mark the Ogoni Eight's
death, MOSOP said: "Every day we commemorate the nine brave
environmentalists, and non-violent fighters for the Ogoni cause for an
environmentally healthy region for all Ogonis, whose lives were taken
by a crazed dictator acting in concert with Shell Oil. But on this
special day we share our memories most openly.
"News that is startling to the world, but came as no surprise to
Ogonis and their friends, recently confirmed from no less a source
than the Director of the Nigerian Environmental Ministry that the oil
companies were behind the death of the Ogoni Nine.
"We ask the world to pause in the midst of its busy existence on
November 10 to remember the unjust and cruel deaths of nine men who
through their supreme sacrifice alerted the world to the horror that
was Nigeria during those times. We ask that their memories be
honoured:
*Baribor Bera
*Saturday Dobee
*Nordu Eawo
*Daniel Gbokoo
*Barinem Kiobel
*John Kpuinen
*Paul Levura
*Felix Nuate
*Ken Saro-Wiwa
"There can be no doubt that it was this tragic event that led to the
world's awareness of the extreme and murderous repression that was
occurring in Ogoni, and conditions throughout Nigeria, situations that
continued even after the hangings.
"We are firmly convinced, and Ken Saro-Wiwa's writings leave no doubt,
that Ken was fully aware of the end to which his actions would lead
yet willingly gave of himself so that Ogonis might live a peaceful and
happy life in a healthy and productive environment. We know that his
only regrets for that grim day in 1995 would be that eight other
innocents were sacrificed in an attempt to conceal the central target,
himself, of the government's and the oil companies' rage."
Meanwhile, addressing a rally Tuesday at Bori, Ogoni, Mr. Falana said:
"Those who tried the Ogoni Nine must be tried here. The members of the
panel must be told that the wives and children of the Ogoni Nine are
crying for justice.
"Those who waged war against Ogoni people must be tried for genocide.
Those who killed Ogoni people must be tried for murder. Those who
attempted to kill Ibru and Adesanya must be tried of attempted murder.
These trials and justice must take place before leniency," he stated.
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Vanguard: MidWeek Features
Saro-Wiwa was a trail-blazer Alfred Ilenre
By Sunday Okechukwu
Ken Saro Wiwa at an early age realised that Nigeria was an artificial
creation. As a literary man, anthropologist and activist he was quite
aware that there is no future for a nation with a multi-ethnic
composition, language and perspective.
He was a trailblazer. The awareness in the country today whereby every
section is calling for self-determination is anchored on the
foundation laid by Saro Wiwas struggle in the cause of the defence for
ethnic rights and integrity.
Today the international community is aware more than ever before about
the state of marginalisation, ecological degradation and economic
exploitation perpetrated by multinational oil prospecting companies in
the Niger/Delta. To that extent, the legacy left behind by Saro Wiwa
is yielding positive results.
What is your opinion of Kens ideals?
During the Nigerian civil war, I interacted a lot with Saro-Wiwa at
the war front. He was concerned about the prospect of Nigeria
disintegrating.
In spite of the shortcoming of the Nigerian federation, he did not
support the secession of Biafra, which he saw as the creation of
another Nigeria in another name to continue the marginalisation and
oppression of the minority tribes of the eastern region.
He believed that if the Igbos had fought for their own self
-determination as an ethnic group, without forcefully involving other
ethnic groups in the region, he would have supported them. He opposed
the unilateral decision of the Biafran authorities to involve other
ethnic groups in eastern region without their consent.
How did you feel when you heard about his execution four years ago?
Kens execution was like a dagger in the heart. A few weeks after his
arrest in 1994, my international passport was impounded by agents of
the State Security Service (SSS). I saw him while he was in detention
in Port Harcourt six times. He was always in high spirits because he
knew he was fighting for a just cause. He knew history would vindicate
him.
There are times when I think about him, especially when certain things
happen. I used to imagine how he would have articulated a position and
handled such situations. He envisaged most of the problems Nigeria is
presently going through more than anybody else I know except Chief
Anthony Enahoro.
Does this office hold any memories of him you want to recall?
Of course, this place was a Mecca of sorts for the tripod of history
makers: poets, journalists and writers, statesman and philosophers.
They all used to visit here. It was not surprising therefore that when
the evil Abacha regime cooked up charges against him and went ahead to
condemn and execute him, the entire international community, including
heads of states like President Bill Clinton of the United States of
America (USA), Prime Minister John Major of Britain and President
Nelson Mandela of South Africa were outraged.
By his death Nigeria became a pariah state. It became an object of
ridicule in the face of small nations that looked up to Nigeria.
What happened to you after Ken Saro Wiwas arrest?
When they seized my international passport, shortly after his arrest
while I was on my way to Geneva for a conference of ethnic
nationalities, it became very clear that the federal government was
after anybody who was linked to MOSOP. MOSOP was an affiliate of
EMIROAF.
However, when my first son was arrested in Lagos in April 1996, by SSS
operatives who were looking for me, it became fool hardy for me to
remain here and pretend I was safe. I was assisted by international
and religious Non -Governmental Organisations to escape out of the
country. These were people who knew how Abacha was ready to deal with
his enemies.
When I escaped from the country, I stayed in Ghana. But due to the
proximity of Ghana to Nigeria, I had to move away further. I was
always travelling to Britain, Switzerland, Belgium, South Africa and
Latin America and a lot of African countries.
There were a lot of experiences I gathered. I have been able to find
out that the ethnic minority and nationality question is not peculiar
to Nigeria alone. I was always elated and encouraged when I saw small
ethnic communities in India, Malaysia, Thailand, Argentina, Columbia
and Ecuador displaying the photograph of Ken Saro Wiwa as a hero of
ethnic minority peoples all over the world who believed that a cause
worth living for is worth fighting for, and a cause worth fighting for
is worth dying for.
I am overwhelmed whenever I saw photographs with characters and
writings I do not understand. But when the message on them is
translated, I realized that the people of Niger Delta who are the most
marginalised people in the world today are not alone in their
struggle.
What is your opinion on the Niger/Delta Development Commission Bill
President Olusegun Obasanjo has presented to the National Assembly?
Many people have already said that it is the wrong approach to solve
the problem of the Niger/Delta. I also believe it is the wrong step to
take in trying to do the right thing.
The Niger/Delta people are not babies who should be treated like this.
They have lived in their present abode for thousands of years without
having any business with people who are today deciding their fate.
I think the solution to the problem in the Niger Delta is to give the
people of the area the right to self-determination and control over
their resources. What I mean is that the six federating units in the
country should be given the right to self-determination.
It is also important that we return to the derivation revenue sharing
formula which stipulates that 50 percent of the revenue accruing from
sale of natural resources should be reserved for federating units in
whose territory the natural resources are located. The remaining 35
percent of the incoming revenue should be at the distributive centre
where it can be shared by the federating units equally, while the
remaining 15 percent should be for the central government. This is the
formula applicable in India.
After the derivation revenue sharing formula has been adopted, the
Federal Government should work out how it is going to reimburse the
excess cash it has appropriated from the federating units since 1970
when they started distorting the previous revenue sharing formula.
This reimbursement to the federating units should be paid with the
interest that has accrued on it.
How do you assess governments response in terms of providing social
amenities and infrastructure since the agitation of the oil producing
communities against environmental degradation, economic exploitation
and military oppression began?
I think the government is ignorant of what is going on there. This
also applies to the multinational corporations operating in the area.
Some people are saying government ought to be held responsible for
what has happened so far. But the question of which government you are
talking about arises. When you see a stranger digging up your fathers
land and you ask him what he is doing and he replies that it is the
government that authorized him to carry on, you then ask which
government the man is talking about.
I think some of the multinational oil corporations have come to the
realization that just getting authorization from government to operate
somebodys inherited land property is not enough. Many of the local
people you find in the Niger Delta can live without your cities.
The multinational corporations think that the people are primitive.
But these same people are by right, stakeholders in the resources of
the area.
We cannot say that there has been any physical development in the
area. All I can say is that our people have become aware that they are
being exploited.
Given the current situation whereby different sections are agitating
for one thing or the other, what do you think the future holds for
this country?
The multi-ethnic nation state has no future anywhere. For example,
Europe that created multilingual societies in Africa has monolingual,
monocultural and monospiritual societies.
Even Britain that has been keeping Scotland all these years has now
realised the futility or continuing with this policy. They have now
decided to decentralize. It is not for nothing that industrial states
like the defunct Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR)
Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia were dissolved and rearranged into
monolingual states.
I believe Nigeria should run a confederal system where only three
major things should bind us together as common services. These should
be common currency, foreign and military policies.
Besides these three, each ethnic group should be granted autonomy to
provide social amenities, education, health, chieftaincy matters and
agriculture.
Value Added Tax (VAT) and petroleum pump price commission should
belong to the states where they are derived from. Under no
circumstance should the federal government have a share of these
things since it has nothing to do with the federation account.
Vanguard Transmitted Wednesday, 10 November, 1999
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Ousman ,
Reference to your question on Baba leigh and his background as an islamic
scholar.
Baba went though the normal arabic school and never went through the normal
educational system. He thought for 6 years in The Gambia before going abroad to
further his education abroad. His students includes Imam fatty, ustas Gibril
Kujabi, Ustas Seedia Ceesay and others . He attended the Franco Arab Islamic
Institute in Dakar for 6 years before proceeding to Libya. He holds a diploma in
Islamic studies and also electrician engineering. He has held several islamic
conferences both at home and abroad. The last engagement was in New york in March
at the 96th street mosque were he was a guest speaker. He is presently the imam
of The Kanifing East Mosque. He sends his bes regards.
Chi Jamma . Sheikh Tejan Nyang..
Ousman Bojang wrote:
> Sankarreh,
> You are very informative on this issue, and the way you approach the
> qusetions is just remarkable. I am really your postings.
> However, I think you are making us deviate from the topic in hand. And if you
> could read the last mail I posted to you, I did asked some questions and they
> were not answered. I am awaiting answers on those if you have time.
> I am not sure if I could mention names on the L-, but I will give you an
> example of what I think any religious should refrain from doing. Mr. Banding
> Drammeh was engaged in more than once taking scholarships intended for the
> Islamic Institute he was heading and giving them to his brothers/relatives to
> benefit from. And again, this is no ALLEGATION. This is a known fact to me.
> And agaistn, I intend to stay with the topic on Mr. Fatty's. I still believe
> that NO Dr. Marriette Dieng exists just as the Dakar hospital has proved. And
> secondly, I doubt so much if he has a tape- at all as he alleged. Unless he
> is ready to share the tape with the rest of us, his integrity on this topic
> is questionable as before and it did add more deem to it.
>
> Ousman Bojang.
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INNA LILLAHI WA INNA ILAYHI RAAJI UUN
The Halifa of Madina Bai Mass Kah Alhaji Yunussa Kah Passed away this morning.
He will be buried at Madina . Alh Yunusa was a great religious scholar and The
Gambia and indeed the whole of Africa has lost a great son who has contributed a
great deal in the promotion of islam. Condolences to the entire family both at
home and abroad. May his soul rest in perfect peace.
> Chi Jamma . Bro. Sheikh Tejan Nyang
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> Your footpath is impeccable
> Your ideals are our inheritance
> Your struggle is our concern
> And your execution exposed our dilemma.
>
> The conspiracy completed
> The machinations meanly mastered
> Beginning with accumulated absurd arrests
> Of all daring darlings of the peoples nationwide
> That created the finical final for fusillade.
>
> Your footpath is impeccable
> Your ideals are our inheritance
> Your struggle is our concern
> And your execution exposed our dilemma.
>
> The bilking bestial Babangida's boisterous beasts
> Savagely set up sickening scene
> Firmly fastening facilely the conviction's cincture.
> But the express exit of the worthless warder was wearily won
> And figurehead Shonekan silly and errantly enthroned
> Whilst coveted claimant of our mandate in detention dwindled.
> And so surrogated snobbish Sani Abacha suddenly supplanted
> Displacing democratic structures sickly at will
> Incarcerating ingenious all articulate activists of the punished peoples
> Before descending despicably on you and additional activists of Ogoni.
>
> Your footpath is impeccable
> Your ideals are our inheritance
> Your struggle is our concern
> And your execution exposed our dilemma.
>
> And so the autarchic Abacha trooped tacky tribunal
> Who every jurisdiction jolted only to sentence the activists
> Eventually, they had their wayward way
> Condemning the valiant Ogoni nine to death
> And rashly the erratic errant Abacha
> Sanctioned senselessly the execution order
> That exposed his neurotic nature nakedly
> And made the whole world disconcerted
> Plunging the giant of Africa into dear darkness.
>
> Your footpath is impeccable
> Your ideals are our inheritance
> Your struggle is our concern
> And your execution exposed our dilemma.
>
> Ken, it is true you are dead
> It is a fact you are killed
> But can your spirits die like that?
> Can your legendary legacies vanish like that?
> No, no! That will never be!
> You are the sure soldiers of the people
> And the sacrificial warring warriors of your land
> That you fended for before you were eliminated.
>
> Your footpath is impeccable
> Your ideals is our inheritance
> Your struggle is our concern
> And your execution exposed our dilemma.
>
> We rally remember you today
> Locally, nationally and internationally
> And we consciously condemn them today
> Overtly, covertly and loudly
> We will cutely continue to remember you
> Locally, nationally and internationally
> And we will constantly continue curse them
> Overtly, covertly, loudly and universally
> Because you and others are maverick martyrs
> And they are ominous oppressors
> And mistrustful miscreant monsters.
>
> Your footpath is impeccable
> Your ideals is our inheritance
> Your struggle is our concern
> And your execution exposed our dilemma.
>
>
> Dehinde Idowu
> Freie Universitat Berlin.
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November 13, marks 2 years since the body of sister Aji Sowe was found =
in the apartment she shared with husband Momodou Lamarana (Lama) Jallow. =
Police report concluded that Aji was strangled and would want to talk to =
the husband she was last seen alive with. Unfortunately Lama is yet to =
be located and Aji's murder still remained unsolved.
I ask all to join me remember Aji and all victims of violence and pray =
that one day her murderer(s) will be brought to justice.
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Gambia L,
Until relatively recently, Gambians were the most passive people when it
comes to politics. Issues of political concern were generally shunned and
the only people most vocal and had a sustained interest were a very few.
It is very fair to say that before PDOIS came to the political scene,
politics in the Gambia was just an intermittent affair mainly dominated by
the PPP acolytes.
Hardly ever one read political statements - on very important issues - from
the disbanded political parties that were in the Gambia prior to the
emergence of PDOIS. The formation of the now-defunct Senegambia
Confederation epitomizes this factual statement.
Everything was done, and no Gambian politician at the time, had raised any
objection regarding the signing of the Senegambia Confederation and its
obnoxious clauses/provisions.
The issue of politicking was therefore a periodic affair: every five years,
the then opposition NCP would convene a meeting at Fitzerald Street in
Banjul and the party's leader, Sheriff Dibba, would give a ritual address to
the party faithfulls and the curious bystanders.
So it is indeed fair to point out that before the emergence of PDOIS, this
was the ritual that politics assumed in our beloved country.
But times, they say, do change and so do the theme, the protagonists and the
circumstances. Times have changed, and, certainly, the political
discourse/debate taking place on Gambia L is a clear testimony to that
platitude.
As evident now, Gambians - both home and abroad - have taken keen interest
in politics, addressing fundamental issues that affect their lives.
And, in my view, nothing is more inspiring and exciting than to read
constructive polemics of issues penetrating every facet of our daily lives.
It goes to affirm that our Nation has indeed emerged from its political
slumber; and, no wonder, Gambians are now, more than before, interpreting
political events for themselves rather than waiting for others to do it for
us. This is certainly a very healthy sign.
And in this regard, our women, in particular, deserve special commendation
for the useful contributions they are making to the debate. Anyway, that is
a topic of its own which I'll address in due course.
Meanwhile, I must say that the interesting thing about these developments is
the varied nature of our observations, assertions and postulations.
At least, one can safely say that democracy has taken a firm root in our
independence of self expression. Hence, the reasons for our disagreements in
terms of the interpretation of events, tactics and ideology.
The military take-over in the Gambia - in July 1994 - is certainly of
historical significance, and the lessons learnt are enormous. Yes, this was
not the first post-colonial insurrection to have plagued our country, but it
was certainly the first successful coup d'etat.
Hence, the way we handled the events that preceded the elections (the
transition period I mean) are bound to receive critical appraisals,
depending, of course, on one's expectations. One is naturally bound to
differ from others.
In any case, this was a completely new phenomenon: a government had been
toppled and its institutions either suspended or disbanded.
In short, things have fallen apart. The centre was no more and, as a result,
a new set up had to emerge to replace the old. HOW? was the most important
question which exercised the minds of many.
Here was a group of inexperienced young soldiers assuming a position of
immense responsibility. The members of the ruling military council (the
junta) at the time, were completely lacking experience in issues of
governance.
Hence, their fate and the fate of our country intertwined. Certainly, the
AFPRC did not have a clue as to where to start, upon seizing power in July
1994.
Their point of departure confirmed their lack of political maturity. First
and foremost, they were adamant at having BB Dabo, the former Finance
Minister, to come and rescue their economic programmes!!
They, the junta, exhibited nothing, but desperation at this point in time.
Consequently, a crisis of confidence was looming and the entire Nation was
holding its breath.
Rumours of counter insurgency were also rife and, as a result, a state of
panic gripped the hearts of the young soldiers. The ruling council became
very edgy and, subsequently, they issued statements that were very
defensive.
They asserted that they were "ready to give" their lives and "wreck havoc
all over the country" if there was any attempt to topple them, or restore
the ousted PPP regime back to power.
Rumours of Jawara being constantly visiting Dakar, Senegal, were fanned. The
ousted forces were not completely annihilated and, as such, a situation of
uncertainty obtained.
The military, in an attempt to entrench itself, became more and more
arrogant and, in fact, apprehended many innocent people as a consequence.
Human right violations became the order of the day.
They announced a four-year time table, but this did not augur well with the
democratic forces. The military increasingly hardened their position as more
rumours of foreign intervention persisted.
I remember distinctly how the junta had taken me to task and also how
nervous they were after I gave the BBC an interview, speculating as to why
the British Government had issued a Travel Advice, stopping British tourists
from going to the Gambia.
The BBC interviewer, Robin White, had asked me what I thought was the
reasons behind the issuance of the British travel Advice; and, in reply, I
said, among other things, that it may been prompted by persistent rumours
that foreign forces were grouping at the Gambian border to intervene in the
Gambia.
When I said this on the BBC's Focus On Africa Programme, members of the then
ruling military council were mad, or very angry with me!! You could see in
them, at this point, that they were panicking.
Clearly, in my view, at this point, the situation demanded one of two
options - either to alienate the Armed Forces and risk a complete social
upheaval or cajole with reassurances so that they can come up with a
programme that would eventually lead to the restoration of some form of
democracy in the Gambia.
This latter was definitely a very ambiguous position since it would create
the semblance of condoning the junta's actions. I stand to be CORRECTED
here, but it appears to me that FOROYAA, having read the situation as this,
opted to provide them (the junta) with guidance to ensure that they, the
military rulers, would sail through this volatile period intact.
Funnily, though, during the early the days of the coup, the junta did not
appreciate that in order to survive, it had to listen to the people. In
August 1994, they arrested Halifa Sallah and Sidia Jatta and accused the two
of violating the provisions of Decree 4, which had banned political parties
and their organs.
However, when Jammeh and colleagues in then Council realised that many
people in the Gambia, and outside the Gambia, were rallying behind Halifa
and Sidia as their "heroes", they mellowed down and had to listen to
Halifa's words of wisdom, otherwise they would have risked alienation.
Again, I stand to be CORRECTED, but, in my honest view, I think this was the
beginning of the whole misunderstanding and some people became suspicious of
Halifa's role during the transition period.
The junta then allowed limited civil rights, set up a National Consultative
Committee (NCC), which eventually recommended the reduction of the time
table, originally announced, from four years to two years.
From this point, there were some who felt that Halifa Sallah was
condescending to Jammeh. But, in all fairness, Halifa's priority, in
principle, was how to conserve/save the Gambia which incidentally
coincidently with the very preservation of the AFPRC.
People may have problem with Halifa's choice of tactics, but his
sincerity/integrity is unquestionable, in my view. What was achieved may not
have been the most ideal, but I, for one, have now realised that it was the
right approach.
At that point in time, the most important issue was how to establish the
institutions that would be functional to allow civic rights.
So, as a result of Halifa's arguments/proposals, coupled with other voices,
both at home and in the diaspora, the junta, or should I say Mr Jammeh,
capitulated.
Thus a route was created out of the cul de sac, which allowed, as I stated
earlier, the formation of the NCC, and then the holding of elections albeit
a farce.
The fundamental question to be asked now, in my view, is whether a badly
flawed transition was preferable to a continuation of undiluted military
rule.
In my view, and in the view of many observers of the Gambia's political
scene, in spite of all its imperfections, the change did mark a limited
movement away from military dictatorship and toward a kind of "liberalised
authoritarianism."
As for Mr Jammeh, he is a tyrant - period. We must not allow him and his
actions to divide us. We must engage in a process of understanding the
character more, and not allow him to derail us from the fundamentals.
In fact, we should revisit the new Constitution and try and work out how
best it can be amended to suit our needs and aspirations. For example, the
new Constitution mandates that the holder of the speakership of the House of
Representatives must come from among the ranks of the
presidentially-appointed Members of Parliament. That is wrong.
It is therefore not surprising that the Speaker of the House, Mustapha
Wadda, who was the Secretary General and Head of the Civil Service during
the transition period, has, from time to time, used the powers of his Office
to block critical motions in the House.
Under the old Constitution, the neutrality of the Speaker was of paramount
importance. The then government MPs and the opposition MPs had to consult
each other to ensure that the person chosen to become the speaker had the
support of all sides.
So let us not allow Mr Jammeh to divide us. He has to be kept on his toes,
for the sake our beloved country and her children.
Sorry if this posting has offended anyone. I didn't intend to offend anyone.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
Brother Sheihk Tijan Nyang, thanks for obituaries you are posting to the L.
The Gambia is a small society and we are all one family. Sad to learn of the
passing away of Pa Salieu Cham. May his soul rest in peace.
Sam Njie, thanks for informing us - those of us in the UK - about the
Youssou Ndour show/dance.
Madi Jobarteh, this is Coach here. Where are you now? Are you back in the
News Room at Radio Gambia, or have you gone into Administration?
If you are still in the newsroom, extend my warmest regards to Sabelle
Badjan-Jagne and Peter Gomez. Tell Sabelle that I miss her excellent French
and her good journalism.
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Brother Sheikh,
It is with deep sadness that I have learnt of the death of a giant in
Islamic Studies, Sereign Yunussa Kah.
Sereign Yunussa Kah, as Sheikh Tijan Nyang rightly pointed out, was a
renowned religious/islamic scholar, known throughout Africa, especially
within the Senegambia region, and, certainly, his departure will surely be
missed.
My heartfelt condolences to the entire Kah family in the Gambia and Senegal
on this sad loss. May his soul rest in peace.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmigham, UK.
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>INNA LILLAHI WA INNA ILAYHI RAAJI UUN
> The Halifa of Madina Bai Mass Kah Alhaji Yunussa Kah Passed away this
>morning.
>He will be buried at Madina . Alh Yunusa was a great religious scholar and
>The
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>contributed a
>great deal in the promotion of islam. Condolences to the entire family both
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May Allah reward him for his dedication to him and the deen, and may he (SWT)
reward him with a place in his Jannah. My condolences to the family and
extended family.
Jabou Joh
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>INNA LILLAHI WA INNA ILAYHI RAAJI UUN
> The Halifa of Madina Bai Mass Kah Alhaji Yunussa Kah Passed away this
>morning.
>He will be buried at Madina . Alh Yunusa was a great religious scholar and
>The
>Gambia and indeed the whole of Africa has lost a great son who has
>contributed a
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Ebrima Ceesay,
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Here we are again after almost 4 years, over 20 legal procedures at the Swiss Courts and a Himalaya of facts, fictions and half truths, it is very obvious that the Gambians are completely misinformed about "$3M Affair" and Jammeh's pathetic lies and cover ups! First the mysterious $32M was a hoax. It was a preemptive propaganda after I made a public release concerning the circumstances of the much familiar and famous $3M transferred to my account in Geneva. Again I will explain myself...the $3M was transferred to my account by the Central Bank, with the full knowledge and consent of your President Jammeh and his Private Banker Mr. Phillippe Bidawid of Credit Lyonnais (Suisse) SA Geneva. Under these circumstances it will be just enough for me to say that any allegation of theft will be preposterous. The purpose of the transfer obviously was not to purchase rice but to conduct a clandestine finacial operation to satisfy the twisted ego of a juvenile Head of State. I do not have to go into details at this moment due to the pending legal implications. Second, the next issue is how did I get all that money in a Swiss Bank as a Civil Servant? Candidly, the money originally came from Taiwan, it was paid to me in cash on behalf of Yaya Jammeh and with his blessing, he granted me $2M of which I later deposited to my account. This was well before Taiwan even granted the Republic of Gambia any loan of $35M, which was ratified and signed by the then Mr. Balla Jahumpa, Minister of Finance. Call it bribery? May be on the part of the Taiwanese to Jammeh, but I believe I was just following instructions at that moment and I wonder what anybody could have done under those circumstances. Then why did I chose to defend myself in court and not just allow Jammeh and his cohorts just recoup the funds in my account? I have never felt any need for that money. I have and I am still surviving very well in the USA without any want or worry. The issue is if I never stand up to Jammeh, the world will probably never know the truth and Jammeh would have taken the money himself. I know as long as I am surviving, I am his nemesis. I would like the whole world to know that should I die today, I want all the money in my account be given to that sorry country the Republic of The Gambia who needs it most. I strongly believe that will happen sooner or later, Jammeh cannot stay there forever....He himself knows that. Again I believe there are issues which Jammeh should challenged constantly if he wants to be honest to Gambians i. e. the brutal murder of Koro Ceesay by Edward Singhartey and his brother Peter, where is the money I personally deposited in his account?, and since he won the case in Geneva, where is the money and the court decision? Finally I will repeat this again My name is Ebou Jallow, I live in Arlington, VA and I work for the DOD, The Pentagon, if Jammeh is worth his salt, I invite him to call me in any decent and fair court of law , or any where for that matter and I will be more than glad to answer him. During his last visit to Washington DC, I personally approached his staff to meet him but I was unsuccessful. Yet I think I made my point though that I am not in hiding and am not affraid confront eye to eye.
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Hi brothers and sisters,
I am sending this attachment to all so that you will be aware of the new
column on Gambianet called Voice out. I do not in any way want to spark off
a controversy. Enjoy reading.
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To all of those women and those who them
Soffie
The Ages of Women
Age 8: Looks at herself and sees Cinderella/Sleeping Beauty etc.
Age 15: Looks at herself and sees Cinderella/Sleeping Beauty/Cheerleader or
if she is PMS'ing: sees Fat/Pimples/UGLY ("Mom I can't go to school looking
like this!")
Age 20: Looks at herself and sees "too fat/too thin, too short/too tall,
too straight/too curly" - but decides she's going anyway.
Age 30: Looks at herself and sees "too fat/too thin, too short/too tall,
too straight/too curly" - but decides she doesn't have time to fix it so
she's going anyway.
Age 40: Looks at herself and sees "too fat/too thin, too short/too tall,
too straight/too curly" - but says, "At least, I'm clean" and goes anyway.
Age 50: Looks at herself and sees "I am" and goes where ever she wants to.
Age 60: Looks at herself and reminds herself of all the people who can't
even see themselves in the mirror anymore. Goes out and conquers the world.
Age 70: Looks at herself and sees wisdom, laughter and ability, goes out and
enjoys life.
Age 80: Doesn't bother to look. Just puts on a red hat and goes out to
participate in the world.
Age 90: Can't see and so doesn't worry about it!
Send this on to all the women you are grateful to have as friends.
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To the G-L Community:
I tried to send this earlier, but it was returned. I am trying it
again.
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To the G-L Community:
Sir Dawda Jawara will be the guest of Miami University of Ohio from
November 6th to the 9th, 1999. While at Miami, Sir Dawda will deliver
the Grayson Kirk Distinguished Lecture "Promotion of Sustainable
Democracy In Africa" at 7:30 PM Monday, November 8th.
Sir Dawda has also agreed to meet with Gambians and other interested
parties in the Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky and Tennessee area on Sunday,
November 7th at 2:00 PM. This provides a good opportunity to raise
issues, concerns or questions you wish Sir Dawda to address. He and
Sarra Janha leave for Washington, D.C. on November 9th. G-L members who
wish to meet with Sir Dawda in D.C. should contact me to make the
arrangements.
I had the pleasure of interviewing Sir Dawda twice at his home outside
London last Summer, accompanied by Ndey Jobarteh. I found him erudite,
generous with his time and very sharp. He was relaxed, humorous and
thoughtful in his responses to my questions. I look forward to a good
discussion. Call or e-mail me if you have any questions.
Cheers!
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To the G-L Community:
Sir Dawda's visit to Miami university was a success and ended yesterday,
November 9, 1999. It was a success because it was a good learning
opportunity for our students and faculty. While here, sir Dawda made
several class presentations to students about Africa and Gambia's
political situation specifically. Several receptions were held in his
honor. Students in my classes were told about Gambia's political
situation and often posed good questions to Sir Dawda. Many of them were
excited about his visit and their interaction with the former President.
On sunday, November 7th, Sir Dawda met with about eight Gambians from
Cincinnati, Columbus and Atlanta. The discussion was candid yet
fruitful. Mr. Maffy Jarju flew in from Atlanta to attend the meeting and
took the opportunity to challenge Sir Dawad's thirty year rule. Mr.
Jarju then proceeded to praise the AFPRC/APRC government. Mr.O.B. Silla
also raised the issue of Sir Dawada's "complacency" to deal effectively
with corruption and other problems Gambians faced. Mr. Mustapha Ceesay
praised the former President for the contributions he made to Gambia and
as father of the Nation. He asked Sir Dawda what compromises he was
willing to make to enable him to return home. To the Jarju and Silla
comments, Sir Dawda insisted that his government improved living
conditions, readjusted the economy and laid the basis for the "Gateway
Project." I suggested that the improvements were marginal at best in
light of thirty years of PPP rule. To this sir Dawda responded " we did
the best we could given our resources and the dismal state of affairs
after independence". Mr. Abdou Sarra Janha, former Secretary General of
the Civil Service and Permanent Secretary at the President's Office,
cited the decline in infant and maternal deaths and improvements in
clean drinking water as examples of PPP Government success. To Ceesay's
question Sir Dawda responded that he was willing to engage President
Jammeh in a discussion as a citizen and elder statesman, if he "unbanned
the PPP, other parties and politicians and created the conditions for
free and fair elections".
On Monday (November 8) Sir Dawda delivered the Grayson Kirk lecture to
an audience of about 200 students, faculty and staff. Sir Dawda
delivered, in the view of some of my colleagues, a well crafted and
coherent analysis of Africa's current Crisis and the need to build
democracy and protect human rights. In my view, Sir Dawd's speech/
lecture was very good. In the question and answer period, a Kenyan
faculty member in Miami's History Department asked Sir Dawda what he
would do differently if he had a chance to be President again. To this
Sir Dawda responded that he would continue to emphasize democracy and
human rights and continue his economic reforms. Some of my colleagues
felt that Sir Dawda did not answer the question. The next question was
asked by a Ghanaian faculty member in the Department of Geography. He
asked if the Western model of democracy was suited to Africa's
conditions and if he would suggest alternative(African)models of
democracy such the Ashanti's. Sir Dawda maintained that "multiparty
democracy" premised on the "rule of law" and the "respect for human
rights" were suited to African conditions and mildly challenged the
faculty member to suggest the alternatives.
The last comment came from Mr. Kekoto Bajo, a gambian living in
Cincinnati, and in the U.S. for over twenty years. He expressed
"tremendous respect" for Sir Dawda and continued to critique his thirty
years of "misrule and corruption". Bajo's critique of Sir Dawda was
laced with a personal story of broken scholarship promises by Sir Dawda,
problems with food at Armitage High etc. Sir Dawda responded that, Bajo
was "part of the opposition" and that he was sent to Miami to tarnish
his record. It is not certain that this was the case, even though Bajo
MAY have a relative in the current APRC Government. As Bajo got more
agitated the session was ended by the moderator, who said that "he was
not sure what next Bajo was going to do." Bajo was in the first row
alone; facing the ex-President and only about three feet from Sir Dawda.
This scared the moderator who himself is the Director of the
International Studies Program at Miami. Some student were also
"scared." The discussion however, continued on the corridor as Sir
Dawda answered questions from other students and faculty. Many liked the
presentation and felt that while Bajo's comments were useful, they would
have addressed the ex-president differently and in another forum. Some
felt that Bajo's comments were an exercise of free speech; and a pillar
of and a practice in democracy. The same principles Sir Dawda outlined
in his talk. Bajo later made an apology to me and other faculty.
I will comment later on the Sir Dawda visit, the current impasse in
Gambian Politics, on the Gambia-L and the need for national
reconciliation, reform, and healing in the aftermath of the coup. Thank
you!
Abdoulaye Saine
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Coach,
Is Peter Gomez back to The Gambia? I just want to know because he is my idol
in radio journalism.
Good luck.
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Whether one begins with Ebou Jallows chilling tale of outright theft and
malfeseance of the worst kind perpetrated by the preisdent and his leutenants
or government employees stealing what little money they have access to , or
using their positions to extort the already tittering population, we have
become a nation that is functionally awash in corruption. Our contemporary
history is replete with failures that has everything to do with how we
conduct our affairs. At the very heart of our engagements is the incessant
likelihood of corruption resulting in a societal conditioning that totally
removes any stigma , shame or even fear of God . Ordinarily you would think a
common thief ought to be ostracized at the very least. In a perverse and very
odd way our society celebrates and is often impressed by people who are
demonstrably corrupt. How else does a God fearing people tolerate as their
leader who a day before he seized power would be hard pressed to buy an apple
from the market stalls in serrekunda but now displays ostentatious wealth
proven to be ill-gotten? The answer lies in the rather unhealthy national
psyche that is accepting of wrongdoing. The struggling taxi driver has long
accepted extortion from traffic police as the normal cost doing business. The
businessman is all too eager to have the custom officer examining his
imported goods let him avoid paying the required taxes and duties preferring
instead to meet him somewhere later to offer him bribes. On and on it goes so
that every facet of our society has become entangled in this untenable web of
evil.
The kind of remedy that would begin to correct the situation would be a long
and arduous process. First and foremost would be a legislative fix that would
begin by forbiding government employees from accepting any gratuities. The
same legislation would explicitly define corruption of every concievable form
and attach strict penalties for those who break the law. It would also be
accompanied by a strong enforcement mechanism that would vigilantly ferret
out wrongdoers in a sustained manner. If people start getting decades long
prison terms for corruption and breaching the public trust , a strong message
would be sent to the public as a whole who would begin to appreciate the
virtues of a society that tries to be honest. The combination of fear of
severe punishment and open/honest and fair governance would begin to spur an
attitudinal change because the people's faith in authority and those that
occupy positions would be predicated on the notion that doing the right thing
is the only way.
Unless we get ourselves a leadership that itself is free of the morass that
this current regime is full of ,fighting corruption in Gambia would be a
lost cause. You simply can't have a bunch of crooks begin to do anything
about an issue as profound and deeply ingrained as corruption is in the
Gambia. Our best bet is to work for the day we can put every corrupt person
on trial and severely punish them. I have always maintained that a worry-free
retirement in Kanalai or Morrocco is not something President Jammeh should
look forward to. The same fate awaits his cronies in government and business.
Karamba
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Karamba,
That was well said and keep on the good work down there.
For Freedom
Saiks
Whether one begins with Ebou Jallows chilling tale of outright theft and
malfeseance of the worst kind perpetrated by the preisdent and his leuten=
ants
or government employees stealing what little money they have access to ,=
or
using their positions to extort the already tittering population, we have=
become a nation that is functionally awash in corruption. Our contemporar=
y
history is replete with failures that has everything to do with how we
conduct our affairs. At the very heart of our engagements is the incessan=
t
likelihood of corruption resulting in a societal conditioning that totall=
y
removes any stigma , shame or even fear of God . Ordinarily you would thi=
nk a
common thief ought to be ostracized at the very least. In a perverse and =
very
odd way our society celebrates and is often impressed by people who are
demonstrably corrupt. How else does a God fearing people tolerate as the=
ir
leader who a day before he seized power would be hard pressed to buy an a=
pple
from the market stalls in serrekunda but now displays ostentatious wealth=
proven to be ill-gotten? The answer lies in the rather unhealthy national=
psyche that is accepting of wrongdoing. The struggling taxi driver has lo=
ng
accepted extortion from traffic police as the normal cost doing business.=
The
businessman is all too eager to have the custom officer examining his
imported goods let him avoid paying the required taxes and duties preferr=
ing
instead to meet him somewhere later to offer him bribes. On and on it goe=
s so
that every facet of our society has become entangled in this untenable we=
b of
evil.
The kind of remedy that would begin to correct the situation would be a l=
ong
and arduous process. First and foremost would be a legislative fix that w=
ould
begin by forbiding government employees from accepting any gratuities. Th=
e
same legislation would explicitly define corruption of every concievable =
form
and attach strict penalties for those who break the law. It would also b=
e
accompanied by a strong enforcement mechanism that would vigilantly ferre=
t
out wrongdoers in a sustained manner. If people start getting decades lon=
g
prison terms for corruption and breaching the public trust , a strong mes=
sage
would be sent to the public as a whole who would begin to appreciate the
virtues of a society that tries to be honest. The combination of fear o=
f
severe punishment and open/honest and fair governance would begin to spur=
an
attitudinal change because the people's faith in authority and those that=
occupy positions would be predicated on the notion that doing the right t=
hing
is the only way.
Unless we get ourselves a leadership that itself is free of the morass th=
at
this current regime is full of ,fighting corruption in Gambia would be a=
lost cause. You simply can't have a bunch of crooks begin to do anything
about an issue as profound and deeply ingrained as corruption is in the
Gambia. Our best bet is to work for the day we can put every corrupt pers=
on
on trial and severely punish them. I have always maintained that a worry-=
free
retirement in Kanalai or Morrocco is not something President Jammeh shoul=
d
look forward to. The same fate awaits his cronies in government and busin=
ess.
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My condolences to all the people of Noumi and the Gambia.
Alhagi Kah was indeed a renowned scholar.
May Allah grant him Jannah.
Habib Diab Ghanim, Sr
Jabou Joh wrote:
> May Allah reward him for his dedication to him and the deen, and may he (SWT)
> reward him with a place in his Jannah. My condolences to the family and
> extended family.
>
> Jabou Joh
> >
>
> >INNA LILLAHI WA INNA ILAYHI RAAJI UUN
> > The Halifa of Madina Bai Mass Kah Alhaji Yunussa Kah Passed away this
> >morning.
> >He will be buried at Madina . Alh Yunusa was a great religious scholar and
> >The
> >Gambia and indeed the whole of Africa has lost a great son who has
> >contributed a
> >great deal in the promotion of islam. Condolences to the entire family both
> >at
> >home and abroad. May his soul rest in perfect peace.
> >
> > > Chi Jamma . Bro. Sheikh Tejan Nyang
> >
> > >>
> In a message dated 11/10/99 12:06:41 PM Central Standard Time,
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> <<
> My heartfelt condolences to the entire Kah family in the Gambia and Senegal
> on this sad loss. May his soul rest in peace.
>
> Ebrima Ceesay,
> Birmigham, UK.
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Author Ebou Jallow (Jambarr)
Topic: Korro Ceesay's Death- What really happened
It has come to my attention that a lot of people are
very interested in knowing the whole story on Korro's
death. I am constantly being rebuked for not coming
out earlier to expose the whole story whilst I was in
Government; but I believed then timing was very
important and besides it would have been suicidal
and the whole truth would have been buried with me
forever...
Now here is the story- I first had the oppurtunity to
know Korro on a diplomatic mission to the UN. He
was then an undersecretary at the Ministry of
Finance, since then we became very close friends. I
had alot of admiration for him, he was exceptionally
smart, full of ideas and very enthused about our
revolutionary cause. Being a young man like myself
we bonded easily. Immediately after that mission,
Yaya wanted to reshuffle his Cabinet, and Korro
became a very favorable candidate. Korro was a star
in the Council, personally he felt like a brother to me
and we consulted on issues and I use to admirably
call him SERRING DARRA. But obviuosly not everyone
in the Council was happy with him. Edward Singharty
felt very threatened by the amount of respect and
admiration that Korro enjoyed from all of us including
Yaya. Eventually his envy and insecurity turned to
paranoia, that Korro might eventually be a prime
candidate for No. 2 after the Elections. Besides
Singharty never like the idea of us resigning from the
military but Yaya was his main obstacle and he
couldn't get my support to derail the process by
overthrowing Yaya. Unfortunately enough, Koro
became too overzealous and made some few
misstakes by sometimes bypassing the whole Council
in making decisions on his own and later informing
Yaya. Of course this angered all of us and gave
Singharty enough ammunition to alienate Koro from
Yaya and the rest of us. Korro further aggravated his
relations with Singharty with some petty
confrontations which Singharty, being the type he is,
saw as a personal vendetta and vowed to avenge.
As time went on Korro's circumstances deteriorated
to a point that Yaya asked the SG then Abou Wadda
to draft a letter firing Korro. This occurred on a
Tuesday morning in my presence. I left for Libya on
Wednesday morning. On Friday that same week,
Yaya left for Cairo and on that same fateful evening
Koro was murdered. I first learned about it from
Gaddafi himself who was utterly disturbed and he
told me point blank that I should tell Yaya to quit
this nonsense. I was very confused myself and felt
really stupid.
I returned to my hotel room after meeting Gaddafi,
and called my wife immediately. She told me that she
couldn't sleep the night before (meaning Friday)
because all the Guards at Yankuba's House were
abruptly told to come to my Residence at Fajara
cause there is some suspicious activity at the
coastline. She later told me that Aja, Singharty's
wife urged her and Ma'amie, Yankuba's wife to all go
immediately to State House No. 2, Singharty's
Residence for an impromptu house party. They
stayed there all night until Singharty, his brother
Peter, and Yankuba all came in with mud and gas all
over their body, and looking very worried. I was
confused but maintained my calm until this morning, I
flew to Geneva enroute back home. At Geneva, I
joined the same Swiss flight with Jammeh who was
also returning home from his trip. Jammeh told me
almost everything that happened but then cut it
short cause he was quarrelling with his wife then Tuti
Faal. He told me to meet with him as soon as we got
back home. At the statehouse Jammeh briefly
mentioned the Korro's death then said that he was
very tired and would like to have some rest. I
insisted to talk him and Lamin Barjo also decided to
stay. Only three of us and God, I and Barjo told
Jammeh that we cannot be part of what happened
and He Jammeh should do something about it. We
told Jammeh that what happened was outrageous
and He should distance himself from this savagery if
he wants to preserve his honor. Jammeh sat there
looking shocked, dissapointed and helpless. After a
long silence we decided to leave him alone. The
same night Singharty invited me over to his house
with Yankuba, and after a few drinks, he narrated to
me in fact laughing how they fooled Korro by inviting
him to Yankuba's house, hit him on the head with a
baseball bat and shot him in the head at blank range.
They later took the dead body to the woods and
burned it together with the Mercedes. Peter got
burned in the hand cause he was late to withdraw
from the fire.
My fellow Gambians this incident occurred in our
beloved country. The murderers are still walking
proudly in the Streets of Banjul and protecting
themselves with a worped constitutional law of
indemnity yet persecuting honourable Gambians with
various Commissions of Inquiries, investigations, etc ,
etc.......
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I have a couple of questions. Did Singharty know
that Koro was going to be fired? If so it seems
pointless that he would have to kill him. Also
according to your version of the story, Jammeh had
nothing to do with Koro's death. So why has he not
exposed those involved? Being the cunning politician
that he is, it seems punishing the trio would be a
good way to earn some brownie points from the
Gambian public.
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Author Ebou Jallow (Jambarr)
Singharty was aware of the fact that Korro was
going to be fired, but according to what he told me,
in the presence of Yaya, and the rest of the Council
Members, he alleged that Korro was planning a
palace coup with the Ghanians, and his plan was to
poison Yaya. But knowing Singharty very well I found
that very hard to believe. His only motivation for
killing Koro was pitched by pure hatred and poor
judgement.
As far as Jammeh is concerned, I will be very honest
and a little bit prudent in pointing fingers cause he
never admitted to me that he had full knowledge of
what happened; fair enough but Singharty himself
made the confession and all five of us are
consciously aware of it. So him being the Head of
State enthrusted with all power to do justice to all
Gambians without passion or prejudice should have
taken approriate measures to bring Singharty and the
rest to justice like any other common criminal.
Obviously Korro did not commit suicide nor was he
murdered by any green men from space. There is a
lot of direct evidence pointing to the AFPRC
concerning Korro's death and a lot of people, like
Yaya, Lamin Barjo, Yankuba, our spouses, the
Guards...., can reinforce my statements if they
believe in God.
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Brother Malanding
Thanks for the reminder. It seems to be just like yesterday.
Unfortunately the Police can not do much now and we leave it in the
hands of Allah.
He knows who did it and his/or her punishment awaits him/or her when
he/or she goes to meet the old man.
A Fathiha on her behalf would suffice because that is all we can do now.
Best regards .
Habib
"Malanding S. Jaiteh" wrote:
> November 13, marks 2 years since the body of sister Aji Sowe was
> found in the apartment she shared with husband Momodou Lamarana (Lama)
> Jallow. Police report concluded that Aji was strangled and would want
> to talk to the husband she was last seen alive with. Unfortunately
> Lama is yet to be located and Aji's murder still remained unsolved. I
> ask all to join me remember Aji and all victims of violence and pray
> that one day her murderer(s) will be brought to justice. Malanding
> Jaiteh
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Brother Malanding
<br>Thanks for the reminder. It seems to be just like yesterday.
<br>Unfortunately the Police can not do much now and we leave it in the
hands of Allah.
<br>He knows who did it and his/or her punishment awaits him/or her when
he/or she goes to meet the old man.
<br>A Fathiha on her behalf would suffice because that is all we can do
now.
<p>Best regards .
<br>Habib
<p>"Malanding S. Jaiteh" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>November
13, marks 2 years since the body of sister Aji Sowe was found in the apartment
she shared with husband Momodou Lamarana (Lama) Jallow. Police report concluded
that Aji was strangled and would want to talk to the husband she was last
seen alive with. Unfortunately Lama is yet to be located and Aji's murder
still remained unsolved.</font></font> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>I
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In a message dated 99-11-10 12:31:02 EST, you write:
<< In my view, and in the view of many observers of the Gambia's political
scene, in spite of all its imperfections, the change did mark a limited
movement away from military dictatorship and toward a kind of "liberalised
authoritarianism." >>
Ebrima: This was an interesting article, but the above phrase caught my
attention and I would like you to revisit the thought process behind the
phrase. Also semantics aside, are people better of with one or the other.
Secondly, could both lead to the same political doldrums, and soci-economic
backwardness.
thanks again
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Ebou Jallow we all know what brought you to the state, you are also one of
the unfaithful and corrupt Gambia's who is
enjoying himself at the expense of our country. I think you should explain
why you ran away with our country money,
are you a good citizen or not. If you think your case is forgotten, you are
making a big mistake. I personally will
not listen to story concerning korro ceesay's death. You need to talk about
the millions of dollars you stole.
Thanks
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Good comment G. Freeman. I want Ebou to explain why should his wife be
invited if he is not part of it, and out of the country? Why Bajo's wife not
invited to the get-together?Also how stupid those guys can be to return to
the same house where the wives were. Why didn't they go to Yankuba's house
the get cleaned before going to Edward's house? Also if President Jammeh is
an obstacle to Edward, so how can he confessed to him? To me only a fool will
do that. Ebou it has been years since you ran with our money, so why it took
you this long to talk about this. If you were a good citizen, and Jammeh gave
you our country's money for his personal account, why didn't you hand over
the money in your possession to a responsible Gambian to return the money to
Gambia? You would have been our hero.
Saul
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President Jawara is looking really great for his age. He was well groomed and
dressed very sharply as usual. The President also has lot of energy, because
he read to the audience for more than an hour without taking a sip of water.
This is because no kind of refreshment, even a class of water was offered to
him during his speech. The meeting was held in classroom without any form of
decoration to the environment, not even a microphone was on the dry table the
President laid his envelope containing his papers.
To sum up things, the President gave a very good speech with constant
derogative remarks about military governments in Africa and President
Jammeh's regime in particular. But his speech was contrary to his own period
of governance in The Gambia. The president talked about decentralization of
basic infrastructures, corruption, GDP, inflation, just to mention a few. In
his speech one can tell Jawara still want a second chance if not a third
chance if 1981 coup is to be included. There was no humor in President's
speech so some of the audience started to leave one by one. At last, the
President finished and he was applauded. Now came the questions and answers
time.
The first question came from a fellow African, who asked the President what
will he do differently if given a second chance, and why are African nations
still clinked to their colonial masters. Despite showing eagerness to be
given a second chance, the President never answered the question what he
would do differently. The second question came from a Ghanaian Professor at
Miami University, who said he bares no relation to neither Kwame nor
Rawlings, but want to know if another form of democracy can be tried in
Africa, like those of the "Ashante Tribe" in Ghana. The President said he
couldn't think of any other form of democracy other than the universally
accepted one. That is to respect human rights, free and fair elections, and
freedom of the press, freedom of movement, and all its other good qualities.
However, since no non-African raised his/her hand to ask a question, another
African was given the chance. His name is Kexx Bajo. He is the president of
The Gambian association in Cincinnati. His question or rather a comment
brought an abrupt end to the meeting or the lecture. Kexx thanked the
President for his wonderful speech. He said he has great respect for the
President. He told Jawara that his father has been a strong PPP Militant
until his death. He reminded Jawara how hard they tried in 1981 to gain
support for his return to power, hopping that the government will help them
to finance their education here in US, but Jawara never met or fulfilled his
part of the bargain. He said Jawara again contacted him in 1994 when he came
to America to lobby for his return to power, but he refused to be part of
that propaganda. Kexx reminded the President how people of The Gambia used to
keep their best outfits in their wardrobes just to wear it when welcoming him
into their towns and villages. Some wore it just to stand by the road to see
him past their neighborhoods in high speed sometimes without even
acknowledging their presence. Kexx reminded Dr Saine about their days at
Armitage High School when Jawara's government used to feed 300 students with
food that was to feed 150 students. Kexx said since he has been in US for
over 22 years, partly because of Jawara's corrupt regime, he can recall only
three major infrastructures of Jawara's regime. These are the Central Bank,
double-lane highway linking the Kombo St. Mary division, and the Independent
stadium. Also, that during Jawara's 30 years rein he has never built a single
high school, but here today he is giving a lecture in a university. Kexx
started to make references to President Jammeh's regime, when Jawara
interrupted, accused him as President Jammeh's informant and that Jammeh has
paid Kexx to challenged him. Jawara asked Kexx to at least accept the $35
million loan from Taiwan that President Jammeh put in his personal account at
Swiss Bank. Kexx said he can't accept anything unless if Jawara acknowledge
his $6 million frozen by Israel, in the 1970s. Jawara ignored that statement.
The occasion ended because Jawara refused to allow Kexx to continue and
constantly shouting, "he has been paid by Jammeh." "he has been paid by
Jammeh." "he has been paid by Jammeh."
However, many of the audience said they wanted to hear more from Kexx,
because it seems as if Jawara is hiding something. The audience then formed
small groups around few Gambians, including Mr Abdoulie Nyang of Brikama, a
former teacher, who is here on a business trip, to further shade light on
what Kexx was about to say. Mr Nyang told them how corrupt Jawara was and how
he miss led the Gambian people for over 30 years. However, Dr Saine
interrupted the gathering to express his anguish and disappointment to Kexx,
for interrupting his class. But Kexx questioned how democratic it can be if
he is not allowed to voice out his opinion. He quoted a phrase in Jawara's
speech that "talk is cheap" when Jawara made references to military
governments. Kexx also reminded both Jawara and Dr Saine that U.S. is the
land of the Brave and the Free, so he is entitled to his opinion. However,
Kexx apologize Dr Saine and shuck hands with Jawara. He told Jawara, although
they differ in principles and ideas, he loves him. Kexx said he is now
waiting Jawara to help him get his pay from President Jammeh
I am very sorry to bore you all with this report.
Your Homeboy,
Sulayman
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Malamin, that was really good. May her sole rest on perfect peace. (amen)
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Malang,
I agree w/ you entirely. Aji and Lama were my room mates in 1996, and I was
one of the first people to arrive on the scene of her murder. I have an
indelible memory of the tragedy. Let's spread word around the world
regarding Lama. I don't believe that boy has the guts to commit suicide. I
believe he's hiding somewhere. Let the word go round.
Thanks.
Saul
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>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:14:46 -0500
>
>November 13, marks 2 years since the body of sister Aji Sowe was found in
>the apartment she shared with husband Momodou Lamarana (Lama) Jallow.
>Police report concluded that Aji was strangled and would want to talk to
>the husband she was last seen alive with. Unfortunately Lama is yet to be
>located and Aji's murder still remained unsolved.
>
>I ask all to join me remember Aji and all victims of violence and pray that
>one day her murderer(s) will be brought to justice.
>
>Malanding Jaiteh
>
>
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Assalamu alaikum Br. Manneh,
It seems to me that you are relying on hearsay. You mention Ustaz Bandig's
B.A. What about his M.A.? Have you gone through his Azhar University
transcript? What about about his 20 years+ working experience of Teaching
and propagation? What about his international recognition by higher Islamic
authorities in different parts of the Muslim world? What about his long list
of international seminars. fura and inservice training courses?
Please be informed my intention is not defend Ustaz Banding because he is
capable of doing that for himself. If you still have any doubt about the
academic credentials of practicing Islamic scholars and Imams in the Gambia,
please contact the Gambia League of Arabic/Islamic Scholars (at Jimpex Road,
Kanifing.) of which I'm a member.
Wassalam.
Sankareh
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>Mr. Sulayman Sankareh, you said Banding Drammeh is a renowned Islamic
>Scholar in West Africa. Anyway i am not trying to discredit him but
>sources
>informed me that he got a BSC in sociology and Arabic Language. Is this
>true? Could you tell us more about his islamic education as you did for
>Sheik Imam Fatty? Certainly he is from a renowned and respected Islamic
>family in Kombo Brikama and must have learned a lot from his fathers'
>"Maglis" but i have serious doubt about his higher Post Maglis Islamic
>education.
>With high respect for all competent ISLAMIC SCHOLARS
>LAMIN PF MANNEH
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>>Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:46:52 PST
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>>Dear Mr.Bojang,
>>
>>Assalamu alaikum.
>>
>>Imam Fatty is a graduate of the Islamic University of Madinah. He also
>>obtained a Masters degree in Islamic Dawah (Propagation)in Mecca.Although
>>you may not subscribe to his ideas, he is a true Islamic scholar by all
>>standards.There is no need to question some one's education just because
>>we
>>do not share the same opinion with them on national issues. Why not
>>question
>>Imam Baba Leigh's education? On what criteria was he appointed as
>>GAMCOTRAP
>>adviser? His education? I doubt it. Ustaz Banding Drammeh is a renown West
>>African Islamic scholar by all standards.Please don't be confused between
>>Arabic and Islamic. They are experts in their fields.
>>Wassalam.
>>
>>
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>>>Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 02:16:41 EST
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>>>Ndey,
>>>Thanks for fowarding the above article to the L-. I said earlier on that
>>>I
>>>doubt if there was any medical practitioner who was going to say what Mr.
>>>Fatty alleged. Therefore, I am not suprised that a Dr. Maritte Dieng does
>>>not
>>>even exists. I am sure if he asked to show the tape, he would not.
>>>Because
>>>you know what, it does not exists.
>>>I personally do not know this Mr. fatty, but his education is
>>>questionable.
>>>Such people are very dangerous to any community. If there is anyone on
>>>this
>>>L- who knows him, I would appreciate it if they could tell us about his
>>>Islamic religious education and not Arabic. A lot of so called Islamic
>>>scholars in the Gambia went to Arabic school and are very fluet in the
>>>language, but only a number of them did study Islam. Infact even Banding
>>>Drammeh, the president of the Gambia Islamic Council is allegedly only an
>>>Arabic scholar.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ousman Bojang.
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Well said Ebrima. Yes, we must remember to keep a clear head, and not to
loose sight of the objective, which ultimately is the goal. It takes real
leadership qualities and a clear head to focus on what is important in times
of crisis such as was the case at that critical time back in "94. Thanks for
the enlightenment.It is encouraging.
Jabou Joh
Gambia L,
Until relatively recently, Gambians were the most passive people when it
comes to politics. Issues of political concern were generally shunned and
the only people most vocal and had a sustained interest were a very few.
It is very fair to say that before PDOIS came to the political scene,
politics in the Gambia was just an intermittent affair mainly dominated by
the PPP acolytes.
Hardly ever one read political statements - on very important issues - from
the disbanded political parties that were in the Gambia prior to the
emergence of PDOIS. The formation of the now-defunct Senegambia
Confederation epitomizes this factual statement.
Everything was done, and no Gambian politician at the time, had raised any
objection regarding the signing of the Senegambia Confederation and its
obnoxious clauses/provisions.
The issue of politicking was therefore a periodic affair: every five years,
the then opposition NCP would convene a meeting at Fitzerald Street in
Banjul and the party's leader, Sheriff Dibba, would give a ritual address to
the party faithfulls and the curious bystanders.
So it is indeed fair to point out that before the emergence of PDOIS, this
was the ritual that politics assumed in our beloved country.
But times, they say, do change and so do the theme, the protagonists and the
circumstances. Times have changed, and, certainly, the political
discourse/debate taking place on Gambia L is a clear testimony to that
platitude.
As evident now, Gambians - both home and abroad - have taken keen interest
in politics, addressing fundamental issues that affect their lives.
And, in my view, nothing is more inspiring and exciting than to read
constructive polemics of issues penetrating every facet of our daily lives.
It goes to affirm that our Nation has indeed emerged from its political
slumber; and, no wonder, Gambians are now, more than before, interpreting
political events for themselves rather than waiting for others to do it for
us. This is certainly a very healthy sign.
And in this regard, our women, in particular, deserve special commendation
for the useful contributions they are making to the debate. Anyway, that is
a topic of its own which I'll address in due course.
Meanwhile, I must say that the interesting thing about these developments is
the varied nature of our observations, assertions and postulations.
At least, one can safely say that democracy has taken a firm root in our
independence of self expression. Hence, the reasons for our disagreements in
terms of the interpretation of events, tactics and ideology.
The military take-over in the Gambia - in July 1994 - is certainly of
historical significance, and the lessons learnt are enormous. Yes, this was
not the first post-colonial insurrection to have plagued our country, but it
was certainly the first successful coup d'etat.
Hence, the way we handled the events that preceded the elections (the
transition period I mean) are bound to receive critical appraisals,
depending, of course, on one's expectations. One is naturally bound to
differ from others.
In any case, this was a completely new phenomenon: a government had been
toppled and its institutions either suspended or disbanded.
In short, things have fallen apart. The centre was no more and, as a result,
a new set up had to emerge to replace the old. HOW? was the most important
question which exercised the minds of many.
Here was a group of inexperienced young soldiers assuming a position of
immense responsibility. The members of the ruling military council (the
junta) at the time, were completely lacking experience in issues of
governance.
Hence, their fate and the fate of our country intertwined. Certainly, the
AFPRC did not have a clue as to where to start, upon seizing power in July
1994.
Their point of departure confirmed their lack of political maturity. First
and foremost, they were adamant at having BB Dabo, the former Finance
Minister, to come and rescue their economic programmes!!
They, the junta, exhibited nothing, but desperation at this point in time.
Consequently, a crisis of confidence was looming and the entire Nation was
holding its breath.
Rumours of counter insurgency were also rife and, as a result, a state of
panic gripped the hearts of the young soldiers. The ruling council became
very edgy and, subsequently, they issued statements that were very
defensive.
They asserted that they were "ready to give" their lives and "wreck havoc
all over the country" if there was any attempt to topple them, or restore
the ousted PPP regime back to power.
Rumours of Jawara being constantly visiting Dakar, Senegal, were fanned. The
ousted forces were not completely annihilated and, as such, a situation of
uncertainty obtained.
The military, in an attempt to entrench itself, became more and more
arrogant and, in fact, apprehended many innocent people as a consequence.
Human right violations became the order of the day.
They announced a four-year time table, but this did not augur well with the
democratic forces. The military increasingly hardened their position as more
rumours of foreign intervention persisted.
I remember distinctly how the junta had taken me to task and also how
nervous they were after I gave the BBC an interview, speculating as to why
the British Government had issued a Travel Advice, stopping British tourists
from going to the Gambia.
The BBC interviewer, Robin White, had asked me what I thought was the
reasons behind the issuance of the British travel Advice; and, in reply, I
said, among other things, that it may been prompted by persistent rumours
that foreign forces were grouping at the Gambian border to intervene in the
Gambia.
When I said this on the BBC's Focus On Africa Programme, members of the then
ruling military council were mad, or very angry with me!! You could see in
them, at this point, that they were panicking.
Clearly, in my view, at this point, the situation demanded one of two
options - either to alienate the Armed Forces and risk a complete social
upheaval or cajole with reassurances so that they can come up with a
programme that would eventually lead to the restoration of some form of
democracy in the Gambia.
This latter was definitely a very ambiguous position since it would create
the semblance of condoning the junta's actions. I stand to be CORRECTED
here, but it appears to me that FOROYAA, having read the situation as this,
opted to provide them (the junta) with guidance to ensure that they, the
military rulers, would sail through this volatile period intact.
Funnily, though, during the early the days of the coup, the junta did not
appreciate that in order to survive, it had to listen to the people. In
August 1994, they arrested Halifa Sallah and Sidia Jatta and accused the two
of violating the provisions of Decree 4, which had banned political parties
and their organs.
However, when Jammeh and colleagues in then Council realised that many
people in the Gambia, and outside the Gambia, were rallying behind Halifa
and Sidia as their "heroes", they mellowed down and had to listen to
Halifa's words of wisdom, otherwise they would have risked alienation.
Again, I stand to be CORRECTED, but, in my honest view, I think this was the
beginning of the whole misunderstanding and some people became suspicious of
Halifa's role during the transition period.
The junta then allowed limited civil rights, set up a National Consultative
Committee (NCC), which eventually recommended the reduction of the time
table, originally announced, from four years to two years.
From this point, there were some who felt that Halifa Sallah was
condescending to Jammeh. But, in all fairness, Halifa's priority, in
principle, was how to conserve/save the Gambia which incidentally
coincidently with the very preservation of the AFPRC.
People may have problem with Halifa's choice of tactics, but his
sincerity/integrity is unquestionable, in my view. What was achieved may not
have been the most ideal, but I, for one, have now realised that it was the
right approach.
At that point in time, the most important issue was how to establish the
institutions that would be functional to allow civic rights.
So, as a result of Halifa's arguments/proposals, coupled with other voices,
both at home and in the diaspora, the junta, or should I say Mr Jammeh,
capitulated.
Thus a route was created out of the cul de sac, which allowed, as I stated
earlier, the formation of the NCC, and then the holding of elections albeit
a farce.
The fundamental question to be asked now, in my view, is whether a badly
flawed transition was preferable to a continuation of undiluted military
rule.
In my view, and in the view of many observers of the Gambia's political
scene, in spite of all its imperfections, the change did mark a limited
movement away from military dictatorship and toward a kind of "liberalised
authoritarianism."
As for Mr Jammeh, he is a tyrant - period. We must not allow him and his
actions to divide us. We must engage in a process of understanding the
character more, and not allow him to derail us from the fundamentals.
In fact, we should revisit the new Constitution and try and work out how
best it can be amended to suit our needs and aspirations. For example, the
new Constitution mandates that the holder of the speakership of the House of
Representatives must come from among the ranks of the
presidentially-appointed Members of Parliament. That is wrong.
It is therefore not surprising that the Speaker of the House, Mustapha
Wadda, who was the Secretary General and Head of the Civil Service during
the transition period, has, from time to time, used the powers of his Office
to block critical motions in the House.
Under the old Constitution, the neutrality of the Speaker was of paramount
importance. The then government MPs and the opposition MPs had to consult
each other to ensure that the person chosen to become the speaker had the
support of all sides.
So let us not allow Mr Jammeh to divide us. He has to be kept on his toes,
for the sake our beloved country and her children.
Sorry if this posting has offended anyone. I didn't intend to offend anyone.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
Brother Sheihk Tijan Nyang, thanks for obituaries you are posting to the L.
The Gambia is a small society and we are all one family. Sad to learn of the
passing away of Pa Salieu Cham. May his soul rest in peace.
Sam Njie, thanks for informing us - those of us in the UK - about the
Youssou Ndour show/dance.
Madi Jobarteh, this is Coach here. Where are you now? Are you back in the
News Room at Radio Gambia, or have you gone into Administration?
If you are still in the newsroom, extend my warmest regards to Sabelle
Badjan-Jagne and Peter Gomez. Tell Sabelle that I miss her excellent French
and her good journalism.
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Saul
Our prayers for her is all we can do now . Her husband will answer to God one
fine day.
No one can hide from Allah. Aji 's friendly attitude will be remembered by those
who knew her .
Habib
saul khan wrote:
> Malang,
>
> I agree w/ you entirely. Aji and Lama were my room mates in 1996, and I was
> one of the first people to arrive on the scene of her murder. I have an
> indelible memory of the tragedy. Let's spread word around the world
> regarding Lama. I don't believe that boy has the guts to commit suicide. I
> believe he's hiding somewhere. Let the word go round.
> Thanks.
>
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> >From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <[log in to unmask]>
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> >Subject: In Memory of Aji Sowe
> >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:14:46 -0500
> >
> >November 13, marks 2 years since the body of sister Aji Sowe was found in
> >the apartment she shared with husband Momodou Lamarana (Lama) Jallow.
> >Police report concluded that Aji was strangled and would want to talk to
> >the husband she was last seen alive with. Unfortunately Lama is yet to be
> >located and Aji's murder still remained unsolved.
> >
> >I ask all to join me remember Aji and all victims of violence and pray that
> >one day her murderer(s) will be brought to justice.
> >
> >Malanding Jaiteh
> >
> >
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<< Well said Ebrima. Yes, we must remember to keep a clear head, and not to
loose sight of the objective, which ultimately is TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR
OUR COUNTRY UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCE. It takes real
leadership qualities and a clear head to focus on what is important in times
of crisis such as was the case at that critical time back in "94. Thanks for
the enlightenment.It is encouraging.
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COURT SUMMONS JEGGAN GREY-JOHNSON OVER JUDGEMENT DEBT
The protracted legal battle between music producer Elie Nachif and artiste
Jeggan Grey-Johnson aka JGJ, over a D93,000 judgement debt took a new
dimension at the high court Monday as the case was heard in camera.
According to the Daily Observer newspaper report, the defence counsel, Bola
Carrol, asked presiding judge, Justice Mam Yassin Sey, to stand down the
case for hearing in chambers, stating that the matter was confidential.
The prosecution counsel, Emmanuel Chime, is claiming that in spite of the
july 13 judgement order, Mr Grey-Johnson did not make any attempt to settle
the D80,000 debt and the 12 percent interest on the original sum, even
though, he has the means of liquidating the debt. Mr Nachif, in his proof of
Jeggan’s reluctance to pay him, told the court that he received a telephone
call from Mr Johnson in which he told him, "Elie, you have received an empty
judgement, I will never pay you this money," and allegedly banged the
telephone. Mr Nachif said he was aware that Mr Grey-Johnson was gainfully
employed as editor-in-chief of Spectator magazine and that he was about to
travel to the United States to promote his new album.
Judgement debtor, Mr Grey-Johnson, who was seen in chambers at the start of
the hearing, was missing but reappeared at the end of the hearing. The case
was adjourned to November 15.
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Musa Jeng,
I have seen your comments, and I must say that you have raised some
important issues. I'll elaborate or elucidate on my point as soon as
possible. By the way, Mr Jeng, you should write more frequently, because you
do make very relevant/useful comments.
Gambia L, let's get one thing straight: I am not here to hold a brief for Mr
Jammeh. In fact, every observer of the Gambia's political scene knows that I
am a constant critic of Jammeh, but Mr Jeng I can assure you that a
continuation of UNDILUTED military rule would have been terrible for our
country. In fact, the old adage could help here: Half a loaf is better than
none.
Of course, there are still countless/myriad excesses being perpetrated by
the regime; and, in fact, these excesses are even pointed out, from time to
time, on this very forum, by many list members.
In fact, Sister Jabou Joh did an excellent job in pointing out many of these
excesses/abuses when she was engaged in polemics with Tombong Saidy the
other day.
But, Mr Jeng, I can tell you that there were certain barbaric acts,
permissible when the Gambia was under undiluted military rule, that cannot
be done/permitted now.
Jammeh's hands are a little bit tied, now that he is a so-called civilian
leader.
If the Gambia was still under UNDILUTED military rule, believe me, the
former Agriculture Minister, OJ Jallow, of all people, would never have been
allowed to leave the Gambia, to go and work for the FAO in the Ghana.
Perhaps even Ousainou Darboe would have disappeared by now if you know what
I mean. As I write this piece, OJ Jallow is, in fact, taking the government
to court for wrongful arrest and detention.
Of course, I am wise/old enough to know that nothing would come out of this
case. Eventually, the court would dismiss the case and say that the then
Ruling Military Council cannot be taken to court for the acts commited
during the transition period.
But do you think OJ could have taken this action if the Gambia was still
under UNDILUTED military rule? The other day, I went to Gatwick airport to
receive a guest, and I saw MC Cham by chance. He was returning to the
Gambia, after having spent some time here.
Do you think the Jammeh regime would have allowed MC Cham, given his
links/ties with Jawara to visit the UK, where Jawara is resident, if the
Gambia was still under undiluted military rule?
Anyway, I'll expand on these points, as I stated earlier, as soon possible.
Right now, I have got lots of urgent private e-mails to reply.
O.B Sillah, at one point, Peter Gomez was back in the Gambia, working for
Radio Gambia, but I am not sure whether he is still there. He did an
extremely good job when he was in Germany, working for Radio Deuschevelle.
Peter is a star!!
Peter Gomez, Joy Coker-Roberts, Jainaba Nyang, Amie Joof-Cole are excellent
newscasters who can work in any radio station in the world.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
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>In a message dated 99-11-10 12:31:02 EST, you write:
>
><< In my view, and in the view of many observers of the Gambia's political
> scene, in spite of all its imperfections, the change did mark a limited
> movement away from military dictatorship and toward a kind of
>"liberalised
> authoritarianism." >>
>Ebrima: This was an interesting article, but the above phrase caught my
>attention and I would like you to revisit the thought process behind the
>phrase. Also semantics aside, are people better of with one or the other.
>Secondly, could both lead to the same political doldrums, and soci-economic
>backwardness.
>
>thanks again
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Gambia L,
This posting is from Sister Awa Sey.
Ebrima Ceesay.
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>Ebrima:
>
>I've been having problems with my mails to Gambia-L. So, I tried to send
>this particular mail several times, but I was unsucessful. Could you
>please
>do me a favor and forward it for me?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Awa Sey
>
>
>Subj: Re: Halifa Misses the Point.
>Date: 11/10/99 7:16:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: BassKorrima
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>
>Mr. Sidibeh:
>
>What a brilliant piece!!!!! It's been a while since I read interesting
>articles like this one, and boy was it worth my while when it finally
>arrived!
>
>Keep Up The Good Work Down There!!
>
>To the rest of the people in this particular debate, I'm glad we have the
>OLD
>Gambia-L back: a forum where mature and useful discussions occur. If this
>was a Bantaba in Basse (URD), I would have brought the Mansajang Kunda
>griots
>to sing some Sidibeh, Kahn, Drammeh, Joh praises:) The reality of the
>matter
>is that I'm in Maine, a place where when winter hits, I "chaalit" all over
>the place.... and yes, winter is knocking on my door!
>
>Regards,
>
>
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Mr Jallow,
you have a chance to set a very good example now. You mentioned in your
revalation that should you die, all moneys in your bank account be paid to
the deposits of the Gambian people. I do not think there is the need to wait
for your death, things will get more complicated then and your own
individual wealth could or might be involved.
You know how much was paid to the account, as a good citizen and someone
who lives on his earned wealth, it is very easy to authorize a check/cheque
payment to The Central Bank of The Gambia and be a hero. This might convince
other honest induvaduals like the one I am advising you to be, to follow
suit. I do thank you for coming forward with all this information and may
Allah bless us all.
Ebou Secka
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>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:08:49 -0400
>
>I came across this on The Gambianet's discussion forum. It makes a really
>interesting reading, so I decided "copy and paste" it to this site.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Author Topic: Ebou Jallow/Jammeh Affair (The Whole Story)
>Jambarr
>unregistered posted 06 November 1999 20:33
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Here we are again after almost 4 years, over 20 legal procedures at the
>Swiss Courts and a Himalaya of facts, fictions and half truths, it is very
>obvious that the Gambians are completely misinformed about "$3M Affair" and
>Jammeh's pathetic lies and cover ups! First the mysterious $32M was a hoax.
>It was a preemptive propaganda after I made a public release concerning the
>circumstances of the much familiar and famous $3M transferred to my account
>in Geneva. Again I will explain myself...the $3M was transferred to my
>account by the Central Bank, with the full knowledge and consent of your
>President Jammeh and his Private Banker Mr. Phillippe Bidawid of Credit
>Lyonnais (Suisse) SA Geneva. Under these circumstances it will be just
>enough for me to say that any allegation of theft will be preposterous. The
>purpose of the transfer obviously was not to purchase rice but to conduct a
>clandestine finacial operation to satisfy the twisted ego of a juvenile
>Head of State. I do not have to go into details at this moment due to the
>pending legal implications. Second, the next issue is how did I get all
>that money in a Swiss Bank as a Civil Servant? Candidly, the money
>originally came from Taiwan, it was paid to me in cash on behalf of Yaya
>Jammeh and with his blessing, he granted me $2M of which I later deposited
>to my account. This was well before Taiwan even granted the Republic of
>Gambia any loan of $35M, which was ratified and signed by the then Mr.
>Balla Jahumpa, Minister of Finance. Call it bribery? May be on the part of
>the Taiwanese to Jammeh, but I believe I was just following instructions at
>that moment and I wonder what anybody could have done under those
>circumstances. Then why did I chose to defend myself in court and not just
>allow Jammeh and his cohorts just recoup the funds in my account? I have
>never felt any need for that money. I have and I am still surviving very
>well in the USA without any want or worry. The issue is if I never stand up
>to Jammeh, the world will probably never know the truth and Jammeh would
>have taken the money himself. I know as long as I am surviving, I am his
>nemesis. I would like the whole world to know that should I die today, I
>want all the money in my account be given to that sorry country the
>Republic of The Gambia who needs it most. I strongly believe that will
>happen sooner or later, Jammeh cannot stay there forever....He himself
>knows that. Again I believe there are issues which Jammeh should challenged
>constantly if he wants to be honest to Gambians i. e. the brutal murder of
>Koro Ceesay by Edward Singhartey and his brother Peter, where is the money
>I personally deposited in his account?, and since he won the case in
>Geneva, where is the money and the court decision? Finally I will repeat
>this again My name is Ebou Jallow, I live in Arlington, VA and I work for
>the DOD, The Pentagon, if Jammeh is worth his salt, I invite him to call me
>in any decent and fair court of law , or any where for that matter and I
>will be more than glad to answer him. During his last visit to Washington
>DC, I personally approached his staff to meet him but I was unsuccessful.
>Yet I think I made my point though that I am not in hiding and am not
>affraid confront eye to eye.
>IP
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Mr. Secka,
It cannot be better said than that. Gibril Freeman and Saul Bajo alll said
the same thing in a different way. Ebou Jallow needs to tell us more and do
more. He cannot just write and think that is enough. He is just like Jammmeh.
This guy is a criminal and the history of Yayha could not be written without
talking about him.
So Mr. Jallow, be a man and come out of the woods.
By the way was that piece really written by him?
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Saul,
I think Edou Jallow of all people who stolen our Money is tyring to
vindicate himself.I don't believe a word from whatever he is saying.Someone
so dishonest like him,his credibility should be questioned.
Bakary Dembo Sanneh.
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>Good comment G. Freeman. I want Ebou to explain why should his wife be
>invited if he is not part of it, and out of the country? Why Bajo's wife
>not
>invited to the get-together?Also how stupid those guys can be to return to
>the same house where the wives were. Why didn't they go to Yankuba's house
>the get cleaned before going to Edward's house? Also if President Jammeh is
>an obstacle to Edward, so how can he confessed to him? To me only a fool
>will
>do that. Ebou it has been years since you ran with our money, so why it
>took
>you this long to talk about this. If you were a good citizen, and Jammeh
>gave
>you our country's money for his personal account, why didn't you hand over
>the money in your possession to a responsible Gambian to return the money
>to
>Gambia? You would have been our hero.
>
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G-L Community:
I have been greatly enriched by my association with the Bantaba and over
the year that I have been a member, I have been impressed by the
diversity of views expressed. Yet, I am also saddened by the pain that
seem to be at the core of our constant criticisms against Jammeh and
Jawara. Clearly, the coup in 1994 and its aftermath have had and
continue to have a traumatizing effect on all Gambians. The criticisms
leveled against Jammeh and his Government and for that matter Jawara's
by well meaning people, reflect the hurt and trauma I spoke of earlier.
Both Jawara and Jammeh have made mistakes. It has been pointed out by
many that Sir Dawda made many mistakes during his thirty year rule. And
needless to say Jammeh has also had his share of mistakes. It is time to
move the debate beyond blame and recrimination and propose concrete
remedies to both the political impasse/stalemate on Gambia-L and in the
country of our birth, Gambia. The reality is Jammeh is President and
Jawara is not. Both Jammeh and Jawara are not perfect.
And it appears that the overwhelming sentiment on the L and Gambia,
though expressed differently, lead ultimately toward improving the lives
of Gambians. This ought to be the theme that unifies us as a people.
This unity of purpose does not mean necessarily that we would all agree
on an issue, but it should guide us as we pursue a common vision for
Gambia with other Gambians.
What can we do as a community of Gambians and people interested in
Gambia to influence and shape in a decisive and positive way political
events unfolding in Gambia? How can we begin to engage President Jammeh
and his Government and influence him in the direction we desire and
toward that vision? What compromises is Jammeh willing to make? What
concessions must we make?
It seems that the L and the political situation at home are populated by
some individuals who speak at and alienate each other. We need to get
to the next level, I suggest, by proposing solutions to Gambia's current
political crisis. The criticism leveled against Jawara and Jammeh during
their recent visits to the U.S., have had an effect, admitted by them or
not.
Let us turn to a new page!
From the discussion over the last year certain key concerns we appear to
share are summarized below. These include:
a)A Gambia where individuals can pursue a livelihood in dignity while
enjoying basic freedoms and to vote in a government of their choice
unrestrained by the state or its authorities;
b)A political atmosphere were fear of retribution is not a constraint to
the expression of one's beliefs, either in print or verbally; and
c)Political participation as a right that all Gambians are entitled.
If my reading of the Bantaba and the crisis at home are accurate, we
must begin to work with President Jammeh, his Government and the Gambian
People to resolve these issues. And as the Presidential and National
Assembly elections are fast approaching, it is imperative that the
political system be opened up.
I propose that at minimum, all political parties and politicians that
were banned shortly before the 1996 elections, be unbanned and let the
Gambian people decide who rules them.
The latter it appears to me and many more on the Bantaba, is a way to
realizing this vision for Gambia and Gambians. To me, this is beyond
partisan politics. It is life of a people and of future generations.
This could be our challenge to President Jammeh and his government.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Abdoulaye Saine
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HI Bro Ebrima (COACH),
Please lets hear your views/comments with regards to Ebou Jallow's articles.
Bye Sis FJC.
ebrima ceesay wrote:
> Gambia L,
>
> This posting is from Sister Awa Sey.
>
> Ebrima Ceesay.
>
> >From: [log in to unmask]
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: PLEASE FORWARD TO GAMBIA-L
> >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:02:06 EST
> >
> >Ebrima:
> >
> >I've been having problems with my mails to Gambia-L. So, I tried to send
> >this particular mail several times, but I was unsucessful. Could you
> >please
> >do me a favor and forward it for me?
> >
> >Thanks in advance.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >
> >Awa Sey
> >
> >
> >Subj: Re: Halifa Misses the Point.
> >Date: 11/10/99 7:16:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >From: BassKorrima
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >Mr. Sidibeh:
> >
> >What a brilliant piece!!!!! It's been a while since I read interesting
> >articles like this one, and boy was it worth my while when it finally
> >arrived!
> >
> >Keep Up The Good Work Down There!!
> >
> >To the rest of the people in this particular debate, I'm glad we have the
> >OLD
> >Gambia-L back: a forum where mature and useful discussions occur. If this
> >was a Bantaba in Basse (URD), I would have brought the Mansajang Kunda
> >griots
> >to sing some Sidibeh, Kahn, Drammeh, Joh praises:) The reality of the
> >matter
> >is that I'm in Maine, a place where when winter hits, I "chaalit" all over
> >the place.... and yes, winter is knocking on my door!
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >
> >Awa Sey
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Dr. Saine:
This approach of yours I believe is the only way our
people will come out winning at the end of the day.
I'm quite sure most people (without hidden agendas) on
this list will subscribe to this approach. I commend
you on bringing this to the table.
Just keep doing what you do.
Peace.
William Njie
--- Abdoulaye Saine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> G-L Community:
>
> I have been greatly enriched by my association with
> the Bantaba and over
> the year that I have been a member, I have been
> impressed by the
> diversity of views expressed. Yet, I am also
> saddened by the pain that
> seem to be at the core of our constant criticisms
> against Jammeh and
> Jawara. Clearly, the coup in 1994 and its aftermath
> have had and
> continue to have a traumatizing effect on all
> Gambians. The criticisms
> leveled against Jammeh and his Government and for
> that matter Jawara's
> by well meaning people, reflect the hurt and trauma
> I spoke of earlier.
> Both Jawara and Jammeh have made mistakes. It has
> been pointed out by
> many that Sir Dawda made many mistakes during his
> thirty year rule. And
> needless to say Jammeh has also had his share of
> mistakes. It is time to
> move the debate beyond blame and recrimination and
> propose concrete
> remedies to both the political impasse/stalemate on
> Gambia-L and in the
> country of our birth, Gambia. The reality is Jammeh
> is President and
> Jawara is not. Both Jammeh and Jawara are not
> perfect.
>
> And it appears that the overwhelming sentiment on
> the L and Gambia,
> though expressed differently, lead ultimately toward
> improving the lives
> of Gambians. This ought to be the theme that
> unifies us as a people.
> This unity of purpose does not mean necessarily that
> we would all agree
> on an issue, but it should guide us as we pursue a
> common vision for
> Gambia with other Gambians.
>
> What can we do as a community of Gambians and people
> interested in
> Gambia to influence and shape in a decisive and
> positive way political
> events unfolding in Gambia? How can we begin to
> engage President Jammeh
> and his Government and influence him in the
> direction we desire and
> toward that vision? What compromises is Jammeh
> willing to make? What
> concessions must we make?
>
> It seems that the L and the political situation at
> home are populated by
> some individuals who speak at and alienate each
> other. We need to get
> to the next level, I suggest, by proposing solutions
> to Gambia's current
> political crisis. The criticism leveled against
> Jawara and Jammeh during
> their recent visits to the U.S., have had an effect,
> admitted by them or
> not.
>
> Let us turn to a new page!
>
> From the discussion over the last year certain key
> concerns we appear to
> share are summarized below. These include:
>
> a)A Gambia where individuals can pursue a livelihood
> in dignity while
> enjoying basic freedoms and to vote in a government
> of their choice
> unrestrained by the state or its authorities;
>
> b)A political atmosphere were fear of retribution is
> not a constraint to
> the expression of one's beliefs, either in print or
> verbally; and
>
> c)Political participation as a right that all
> Gambians are entitled.
>
> If my reading of the Bantaba and the crisis at home
> are accurate, we
> must begin to work with President Jammeh, his
> Government and the Gambian
> People to resolve these issues. And as the
> Presidential and National
> Assembly elections are fast approaching, it is
> imperative that the
> political system be opened up.
>
> I propose that at minimum, all political parties and
> politicians that
> were banned shortly before the 1996 elections, be
> unbanned and let the
> Gambian people decide who rules them.
>
> The latter it appears to me and many more on the
> Bantaba, is a way to
> realizing this vision for Gambia and Gambians. To
> me, this is beyond
> partisan politics. It is life of a people and of
> future generations.
> This could be our challenge to President Jammeh and
> his government.
> WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>
> Abdoulaye Saine
>
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:48:50 -0800
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Hi Sis FJC,
Hmmmm... Ebrima's views/comments? What about yours? Methinks you are the
Press Secretary/PRO at the presidency. Is it not your part of your job?
Step to the plate and defend the Government...your continued silence may
be misconstrued.
Have a nice day!
Cheers,
Madiba.
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Aba wrote:
> HI Bro Ebrima (COACH),
> Please lets hear your views/comments with regards to Ebou Jallow's articles.
> Bye Sis FJC.
>
> ebrima ceesay wrote:
>
> > Gambia L,
> >
> > This posting is from Sister Awa Sey.
> >
> > Ebrima Ceesay.
> >
> > >From: [log in to unmask]
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: PLEASE FORWARD TO GAMBIA-L
> > >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:02:06 EST
> > >
> > >Ebrima:
> > >
> > >I've been having problems with my mails to Gambia-L. So, I tried to send
> > >this particular mail several times, but I was unsucessful. Could you
> > >please
> > >do me a favor and forward it for me?
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >Awa Sey
> > >
> > >
> > >Subj: Re: Halifa Misses the Point.
> > >Date: 11/10/99 7:16:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
> > >From: BassKorrima
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > >Mr. Sidibeh:
> > >
> > >What a brilliant piece!!!!! It's been a while since I read interesting
> > >articles like this one, and boy was it worth my while when it finally
> > >arrived!
> > >
> > >Keep Up The Good Work Down There!!
> > >
> > >To the rest of the people in this particular debate, I'm glad we have the
> > >OLD
> > >Gambia-L back: a forum where mature and useful discussions occur. If this
> > >was a Bantaba in Basse (URD), I would have brought the Mansajang Kunda
> > >griots
> > >to sing some Sidibeh, Kahn, Drammeh, Joh praises:) The reality of the
> > >matter
> > >is that I'm in Maine, a place where when winter hits, I "chaalit" all over
> > >the place.... and yes, winter is knocking on my door!
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >Awa Sey
> >
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Awa Sey wrote:
> >What a brilliant piece!!!!! It's been a while since I read interesting
> >articles like this one, and boy was it worth my while when it finally
> >arrived!
> >
> >Keep Up The Good Work Down There!!
> >
> >To the rest of the people in this particular debate, I'm glad we have the
> >OLD
> >Gambia-L back: a forum where mature and useful discussions occur. If
this
> >was a Bantaba in Basse (URD), I would have brought the Mansajang Kunda
> >griots
> >to sing some Sidibeh, Kahn, Drammeh, Joh praises:) The reality of the
> >matter
> >is that I'm in Maine, a place where when winter hits, I "chaalit" all over
> >the place.... and yes, winter is knocking on my door!
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >
> >Awa Sey
>
>*******************************reply separator
Awa,
My heart goes out to you in that Maine winter. Stay warm, and keep up the
good work up there.
Jabou
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:41:40 EST
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Cherno whilst you were very correct and brave in debunking
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Cherno,
whilst you were very correct in debunking Halifa's misconceived and misplaced
afrocentrism, perchance you were a bit harsh on him; even name calling.
anyway thanks for such a brilliant and gallant piece.
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Ebou,
All things being the same I think it is equally prudent and objective to ask
for Ebou Jallow to shed more light on the milions of dollars siphoned into
his private bank account at the expense of Gambians much as he finds it
timely to divulged his secrets about his colleagues' deeds.
God bless The Gambia and Mother Africa.
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In a message dated 11/11/99 5:12:33 PM Central Standard Time,
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<< If my reading of the Bantaba and the crisis at home are accurate, we
must begin to work with President Jammeh, his Government and the Gambian
People to resolve these issues. And as the Presidential and National
Assembly elections are fast approaching, it is imperative that the
political system be opened up.
I propose that at minimum, all political parties and politicians that
were banned shortly before the 1996 elections, be unbanned and let the
Gambian people decide who rules them.
The latter it appears to me and many more on the Bantaba, is a way to
realizing this vision for Gambia and Gambians. To me, this is beyond
partisan politics. It is life of a people and of future generations.
This could be our challenge to President Jammeh and his government.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Abdoulaye Saine
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Abdoulaye,
Thanks for the observations, it is clearly what we are looking to accomplish
for our country. Your suggestion would be the ultimate for the Gambia.
However, l am not of the belief that we are dealing with individuals who
think on this level, otherwise, we would not have had the grave miscarriages
of justice, human rights violations, even murder, etc just to name a few of
the ugly things that continue to be carried out as if they were just a
normal part of daily life. Perhaps we will all be accorded a big surprise if
this challenge is taken up. Cheers.
Jabou
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<<
>>
Coach,
Thanks for your reponse, I appreciate it so much.
OB Silla.
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:17:47 EST
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Ous,
That is also a crucial question to ask oneself. Is that posting infact his
or was it done by another sheep in a wolf's clothing?
OB.
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:22:50 -0800
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Hi Bro,
Please dont worry about me.I guess i know my job very well. Iwas just asking coach a
question.PERIOD.
may allah guide us.amen.
BYE.
Please .
BYE AND MAY ALLAH GUIDE US.
Madiba Saidy wrote:
> Hi Sis FJC,
>
> Hmmmm... Ebrima's views/comments? What about yours? Methinks you are the
> Press Secretary/PRO at the presidency. Is it not your part of your job?
>
> Step to the plate and defend the Government...your continued silence may
> be misconstrued.
>
> Have a nice day!
>
> Cheers,
> Madiba.
>
> On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Aba wrote:
>
> > HI Bro Ebrima (COACH),
> > Please lets hear your views/comments with regards to Ebou Jallow's articles.
> > Bye Sis FJC.
> >
> > ebrima ceesay wrote:
> >
> > > Gambia L,
> > >
> > > This posting is from Sister Awa Sey.
> > >
> > > Ebrima Ceesay.
> > >
> > > >From: [log in to unmask]
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: PLEASE FORWARD TO GAMBIA-L
> > > >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:02:06 EST
> > > >
> > > >Ebrima:
> > > >
> > > >I've been having problems with my mails to Gambia-L. So, I tried to send
> > > >this particular mail several times, but I was unsucessful. Could you
> > > >please
> > > >do me a favor and forward it for me?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Awa Sey
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Subj: Re: Halifa Misses the Point.
> > > >Date: 11/10/99 7:16:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
> > > >From: BassKorrima
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > > >Mr. Sidibeh:
> > > >
> > > >What a brilliant piece!!!!! It's been a while since I read interesting
> > > >articles like this one, and boy was it worth my while when it finally
> > > >arrived!
> > > >
> > > >Keep Up The Good Work Down There!!
> > > >
> > > >To the rest of the people in this particular debate, I'm glad we have the
> > > >OLD
> > > >Gambia-L back: a forum where mature and useful discussions occur. If this
> > > >was a Bantaba in Basse (URD), I would have brought the Mansajang Kunda
> > > >griots
> > > >to sing some Sidibeh, Kahn, Drammeh, Joh praises:) The reality of the
> > > >matter
> > > >is that I'm in Maine, a place where when winter hits, I "chaalit" all over
> > > >the place.... and yes, winter is knocking on my door!
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Awa Sey
> > >
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Dr. Saine,
I subscribe to your views theoretically. Only I'll have serious reservations
about any response from the Jammeh govt to such a call. The simple fact
remains that Yaya Jammeh CANNOT win in a FREE and FAIR election. And he
knows this. Considering that his main objective is to perpetuate himself in
power, is it realistic to ask him to do that which if done, will bring an
end to his leadership?
Saul.
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>Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:35:07 -0800
>
>Dr. Saine:
>
>This approach of yours I believe is the only way our
>people will come out winning at the end of the day.
>I'm quite sure most people (without hidden agendas) on
>this list will subscribe to this approach. I commend
>you on bringing this to the table.
>
>Just keep doing what you do.
>
>Peace.
>William Njie
>
>--- Abdoulaye Saine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > G-L Community:
> >
> > I have been greatly enriched by my association with
> > the Bantaba and over
> > the year that I have been a member, I have been
> > impressed by the
> > diversity of views expressed. Yet, I am also
> > saddened by the pain that
> > seem to be at the core of our constant criticisms
> > against Jammeh and
> > Jawara. Clearly, the coup in 1994 and its aftermath
> > have had and
> > continue to have a traumatizing effect on all
> > Gambians. The criticisms
> > leveled against Jammeh and his Government and for
> > that matter Jawara's
> > by well meaning people, reflect the hurt and trauma
> > I spoke of earlier.
> > Both Jawara and Jammeh have made mistakes. It has
> > been pointed out by
> > many that Sir Dawda made many mistakes during his
> > thirty year rule. And
> > needless to say Jammeh has also had his share of
> > mistakes. It is time to
> > move the debate beyond blame and recrimination and
> > propose concrete
> > remedies to both the political impasse/stalemate on
> > Gambia-L and in the
> > country of our birth, Gambia. The reality is Jammeh
> > is President and
> > Jawara is not. Both Jammeh and Jawara are not
> > perfect.
> >
> > And it appears that the overwhelming sentiment on
> > the L and Gambia,
> > though expressed differently, lead ultimately toward
> > improving the lives
> > of Gambians. This ought to be the theme that
> > unifies us as a people.
> > This unity of purpose does not mean necessarily that
> > we would all agree
> > on an issue, but it should guide us as we pursue a
> > common vision for
> > Gambia with other Gambians.
> >
> > What can we do as a community of Gambians and people
> > interested in
> > Gambia to influence and shape in a decisive and
> > positive way political
> > events unfolding in Gambia? How can we begin to
> > engage President Jammeh
> > and his Government and influence him in the
> > direction we desire and
> > toward that vision? What compromises is Jammeh
> > willing to make? What
> > concessions must we make?
> >
> > It seems that the L and the political situation at
> > home are populated by
> > some individuals who speak at and alienate each
> > other. We need to get
> > to the next level, I suggest, by proposing solutions
> > to Gambia's current
> > political crisis. The criticism leveled against
> > Jawara and Jammeh during
> > their recent visits to the U.S., have had an effect,
> > admitted by them or
> > not.
> >
> > Let us turn to a new page!
> >
> > From the discussion over the last year certain key
> > concerns we appear to
> > share are summarized below. These include:
> >
> > a)A Gambia where individuals can pursue a livelihood
> > in dignity while
> > enjoying basic freedoms and to vote in a government
> > of their choice
> > unrestrained by the state or its authorities;
> >
> > b)A political atmosphere were fear of retribution is
> > not a constraint to
> > the expression of one's beliefs, either in print or
> > verbally; and
> >
> > c)Political participation as a right that all
> > Gambians are entitled.
> >
> > If my reading of the Bantaba and the crisis at home
> > are accurate, we
> > must begin to work with President Jammeh, his
> > Government and the Gambian
> > People to resolve these issues. And as the
> > Presidential and National
> > Assembly elections are fast approaching, it is
> > imperative that the
> > political system be opened up.
> >
> > I propose that at minimum, all political parties and
> > politicians that
> > were banned shortly before the 1996 elections, be
> > unbanned and let the
> > Gambian people decide who rules them.
> >
> > The latter it appears to me and many more on the
> > Bantaba, is a way to
> > realizing this vision for Gambia and Gambians. To
> > me, this is beyond
> > partisan politics. It is life of a people and of
> > future generations.
> > This could be our challenge to President Jammeh and
> > his government.
> > WHAT DO YOU THINK?
> >
> > Abdoulaye Saine
> >
> >
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Hi Sis FJC,
"I was also just asking you a question.PERIOD." I hope Ebrima's response
to your request is like yours below.
Cheers,
Madiba.
On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Aba wrote:
> Hi Bro,
> Please dont worry about me.I guess i know my job very well. Iwas just asking coach a
> question.PERIOD.
> may allah guide us.amen.
> BYE.
>
> Please .
> BYE AND MAY ALLAH GUIDE US.
>
>
> Madiba Saidy wrote:
>
> > Hi Sis FJC,
> >
> > Hmmmm... Ebrima's views/comments? What about yours? Methinks you are the
> > Press Secretary/PRO at the presidency. Is it not your part of your job?
> >
> > Step to the plate and defend the Government...your continued silence may
> > be misconstrued.
> >
> > Have a nice day!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Madiba.
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Aba wrote:
> >
> > > HI Bro Ebrima (COACH),
> > > Please lets hear your views/comments with regards to Ebou Jallow's articles.
> > > Bye Sis FJC.
> > >
> > > ebrima ceesay wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gambia L,
> > > >
> > > > This posting is from Sister Awa Sey.
> > > >
> > > > Ebrima Ceesay.
> > > >
> > > > >From: [log in to unmask]
> > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > >Subject: PLEASE FORWARD TO GAMBIA-L
> > > > >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:02:06 EST
> > > > >
> > > > >Ebrima:
> > > > >
> > > > >I've been having problems with my mails to Gambia-L. So, I tried to send
> > > > >this particular mail several times, but I was unsucessful. Could you
> > > > >please
> > > > >do me a favor and forward it for me?
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks in advance.
> > > > >
> > > > >Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Awa Sey
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Subj: Re: Halifa Misses the Point.
> > > > >Date: 11/10/99 7:16:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
> > > > >From: BassKorrima
> > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > >
> > > > >Mr. Sidibeh:
> > > > >
> > > > >What a brilliant piece!!!!! It's been a while since I read interesting
> > > > >articles like this one, and boy was it worth my while when it finally
> > > > >arrived!
> > > > >
> > > > >Keep Up The Good Work Down There!!
> > > > >
> > > > >To the rest of the people in this particular debate, I'm glad we have the
> > > > >OLD
> > > > >Gambia-L back: a forum where mature and useful discussions occur. If this
> > > > >was a Bantaba in Basse (URD), I would have brought the Mansajang Kunda
> > > > >griots
> > > > >to sing some Sidibeh, Kahn, Drammeh, Joh praises:) The reality of the
> > > > >matter
> > > > >is that I'm in Maine, a place where when winter hits, I "chaalit" all over
> > > > >the place.... and yes, winter is knocking on my door!
> > > > >
> > > > >Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Awa Sey
> > > >
> > > > ______________________________________________________
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Saul:
One can very easily agree with your point, especially looking at african
government in general. But let us try to digest what Dr Saine proposal is all
about. It is a fact that Jawara has ruled for thirty years, and in many
respect has failed. It is also a fact that President Jammeh has not been able
to steer the ship to safer harbours, But equally as Gambians, we have
consistently attacked these individuals and argued about their failures. Is
it unrealistic to redirect our contributions and ideas to bridge the gap, and
be seen as honest brokers with genuine intentions in helping them in
governing our country, and put the country on a path to socio-economic
development.
Clearly, continued demagoguery, heaping insults and showing of hatred cannot
in any way be percieved, or be receieved as a contructive engagement. Dr
Saine is absolutely right that the dialogue needs to be transform to a newer
terrain, inorder to have an impact. This can only be achieved if we are
atleast seen, or percieved as honest brokers. The G-L melennium resolution
should be contructive engagement to help in the democratization of our
motherland. Remember, it would be very convenient for us to assume that we
have better intentions for the Gambia than either ex-President Jawara, or the
present President Jammeh.
Thanks again Dr Saine
Musa Jeng
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My Dear good Dr,
I do agree with you that sometimes our political differences are reduced=
to
very low level of personal differences,this is without doubt very
unfortunate.Such debating tactics are off course as a result of the fact =
that
one is not in the position of stating clearly what one is against or for,=
this
is very unhealthy.
But there are some issues that you raised in your article which sounds ve=
ry
compromising,I think politically it will be wrong to compromise the futur=
e and
or lay grounds for a political compromise with a political force that is =
bend
on political tactics much more disturbing than ever experience in the
political history of our dear nation.
But first ,on the past years of the Jawara regime,30 years of neo-colonia=
l
rule,did reduced our dear nation to that of a begging status,corruption,t=
ribal
confusion,the decaying poverty etc could not only be placed in a
museum,without bringing those responsible to account.This will be in
contradiction with any effort geared towards national compromise,it will =
not
be a sign of respect for all those who have have suffered under such
conditions.Not even to talk of parents who spent all day,from sun up to =
sun
set,on the land,producing not only for themselves but for the development=
of
our dear nation,they do pay tax,but never had access to clean drinking
water,no medicines at hospitals,their children died before reaching the
hospital whiles those responsible could travel to London for a holiday,or=
to
play golf at the expense of the nation.To say that these people should be=
given the opportunity to participate again in the political life of our
nation,in my opinion is no call to democracy.But turning the clock of nat=
ional
development backward,this will be unfortunate for our dear nation.
Yes then comes the APRC government.I dont agree with Ebrima Ceesay that t=
hings
are different in the country,because we moved from military rule to Civil=
ian
rule.I have it very difficult to see the differences.It was not under mil=
itary
rule that Syngle Nyasse,among others, was unlawfully arrested,detained an=
d
tortured,it was not under military rule that Demba Jawo was arrested and
detained,it was not under military rule that the press bill was prepared,=
it
was not under military rule that our hospitals were rob of X-ray machines=
and
incubators,etc,etc.Who were those denied traveling out of the country und=
er
military rule ?What Ebrima failed to see and understand is that we have =
opposition parties and elements who never allow themselves to be silent w=
ith
unlawful arrest,detention and torture.They continued to show resistance a=
nd
demand democratic changes,if our country have become more democratic it i=
s not
as a result of goodwill political gesture but as a result of the consiste=
nt
struggle of ordinary Gambians.We must continue to speak out against
injustice.
We have in these days been reading interesting revelation from Ebou
Jallow,when a president handle national property,transferring loans from =
one
personal account to another and in millions,like personal property,the
sincerity of such a political leadership to national development is witho=
ut
doubt very questionable.And now the national debt stands at more than 4
billion dallasis,(yet there are no funds to print birth certificate)who i=
s
going to pay for all these monies ?is it not the ordinary Gambian people =
?We
know that despite this huge debt problem,which will have to increase,a mo=
nth
hardly pass without hearing that the president is on tour,security at the=
state house is costing our nation millions,how much is the security of th=
e
president at Kaninlia costing our nation ?Should one go in to political
compromise with such a political force.It is not reforms we need but tota=
l
political change.
In that regard I demand that;
1)The AFPR government be dissolved immediately
2)To set up a commission that will look into all loans that have been tak=
ing
in the name of the Gambian people
3)To set up a transitional national unity government that will have as an=
assignment
a)The review of the constitution
B)Prepare a national election
C)Set up a committee that will have as an assignment to recover all=
national property and bring all those who have misuse their office and ot=
her
state apparatus for personal and collective interest
=
4)Set up a committee to find out the truth behind the death of Ousman Kor=
o
Ceesay and Sadibu Hydara
5)Release all political prisoners.
For Freedom
Saiks
G-L Community:
I have been greatly enriched by my association with the Bantaba and over
the year that I have been a member, I have been impressed by the
diversity of views expressed. Yet, I am also saddened by the pain that
seem to be at the core of our constant criticisms against Jammeh and
Jawara. Clearly, the coup in 1994 and its aftermath have had and
continue to have a traumatizing effect on all Gambians. The criticisms
leveled against Jammeh and his Government and for that matter Jawara's
by well meaning people, reflect the hurt and trauma I spoke of earlier.
Both Jawara and Jammeh have made mistakes. It has been pointed out by
many that Sir Dawda made many mistakes during his thirty year rule. And
needless to say Jammeh has also had his share of mistakes. It is time to
move the debate beyond blame and recrimination and propose concrete
remedies to both the political impasse/stalemate on Gambia-L and in the
country of our birth, Gambia. The reality is Jammeh is President and
Jawara is not. Both Jammeh and Jawara are not perfect.
And it appears that the overwhelming sentiment on the L and Gambia,
though expressed differently, lead ultimately toward improving the lives
of Gambians. This ought to be the theme that unifies us as a people.
This unity of purpose does not mean necessarily that we would all agree
on an issue, but it should guide us as we pursue a common vision for
Gambia with other Gambians.
What can we do as a community of Gambians and people interested in
Gambia to influence and shape in a decisive and positive way political
events unfolding in Gambia? How can we begin to engage President Jammeh
and his Government and influence him in the direction we desire and
toward that vision? What compromises is Jammeh willing to make? What
concessions must we make?
It seems that the L and the political situation at home are populated by
some individuals who speak at and alienate each other. We need to get
to the next level, I suggest, by proposing solutions to Gambia's current
political crisis. The criticism leveled against Jawara and Jammeh during
their recent visits to the U.S., have had an effect, admitted by them or
not.
Let us turn to a new page!
=46rom the discussion over the last year certain key concerns we appear t=
o
share are summarized below. These include:
a)A Gambia where individuals can pursue a livelihood in dignity while
enjoying basic freedoms and to vote in a government of their choice
unrestrained by the state or its authorities;
b)A political atmosphere were fear of retribution is not a constraint to
the expression of one's beliefs, either in print or verbally; and
c)Political participation as a right that all Gambians are entitled.
If my reading of the Bantaba and the crisis at home are accurate, we
must begin to work with President Jammeh, his Government and the Gambian
People to resolve these issues. And as the Presidential and National
Assembly elections are fast approaching, it is imperative that the
political system be opened up.
I propose that at minimum, all political parties and politicians that
were banned shortly before the 1996 elections, be unbanned and let the
Gambian people decide who rules them.
The latter it appears to me and many more on the Bantaba, is a way to
realizing this vision for Gambia and Gambians. To me, this is beyond
partisan politics. It is life of a people and of future generations.
This could be our challenge to President Jammeh and his government.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Abdoulaye Saine
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Hi folks,
I agree with many of us who wrote to commend Ablie on his suggestions at:
(http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?A2=ind9911&L=gambia-l&D=1&O=D&P=23578)
I think it's about time we, as we should once in a while, take stock of our
list, our nation, and chart our course. Ablie's posting is also very timely
because it so happens that I am presently drafting an open letter to President
Jammeh about how we can make Gambia-L in paticular, and the Internet in general
benefit The Gambia more.
Just a few days ago I sent private e-mails to Tombong Saidy and Sheikh Ndow (of
Foroyaa) in The Gambia seeking their help in getting the fax number for the
State House. Ebrima Ceesay in Birmingham, UK, has promised to search for the
number for me, but do feel free to send me the number (privately to
[log in to unmask]) if you have it. I will send a copy of the letter to
Gambia-L, and hope that it will, along with Ablie's posting serve as a
springboard for debate, dialogue, and even action on moving The Gambia forward.
That's about it. Have a great weekend, and best wishes in your endeavors.
Katim
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Dr. Saine,
A lot of the L memebers have already talked on this topic, but your
objectivity is well recognized. I personally agree with the point that we
have to come together and try to make some positive differences. And the
approach you are talking about might of course be the only way at the moment.
I understand the points Jabou and Saiks are all making and if I have a
choice, I would rather choose the ultimatums Saiks mentioned but I am not
sure that is feasible at the moment.
It all comes to what the equiliburium could be. President Jammeh have to
agree that the Gambia cannot operate on his "Bank from God" and the country
cannot move foward just like any nation without her people. Jammeh has to
understand that most of the people against him are not after his head, but
his actions. Also we have to accept that the changes that took place and the
trauma it has caused to us is not permanent.
Reconciliation is easier said than prctically possible, but there is nothing
wrong with trying. As the old saying goes, "he who never made an error, never
tried." Yes Jammeh made errors and continous to make them. The mistakes
Jawara made are just unacceptable in any country and I am sure he learnt his
lessons. I pray to God we never have any such leader again.
"Now what compromises are Jammeh willing to take?" You asked the right
question. He being the president has to table his agenda and let the people
see that he is sincere. I am sure the suggestions Saiks came up with might
not all be accepted, but it is such a step to begin with.
Please keep up the good work. Certainly someday history will judge us and
criticize us just as we are doing now. The bantaba is certainly appearing
very healthy nowadays because of such discussions.
Ousman Bojang.
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All,
With due respect to everyone who has attempted to respond to Dr Saines' =
call, my observation is that we are going back through the same never =
ending loop of chastising again. Dr. Saines' call, from how I decipher =
it, is to come up with a scheme for national reconciliation which, in =
the end, will ensure a win-win situation for the people of Gambia.
What I have seen so far, although suggestions are made, is the =
chastisements we've been seeing here. I'm not excluding myself from that =
by any means, but Dr. Saines' call should put a stop to that loop we've =
been in for such a long time.=20
If we are to achieve a compromising situation that will benefit our =
people, we should all refrain from trying to point out what the other =
has done wrong- this has already been crystallized many a times. We =
should instead move on to the next step as Dr. Saine has pointed out. If =
we come to realize that a compromise can never be reached, then we know =
that, at least, an effort has been made, as Ous Bojang rightly pointed =
out.=20
My appeal to all of you wonderful sons and daughters of our beloved =
Gambia is that we set aside our grievances for a moment and settle in =
our retreats, dig deep down in our minds and come up with a solidified =
proposal to rescue our motherland. This, I believe is what Dr. Saine is =
calling for and will surely be achieved if we work on it.=20
Let's get into " Halwa" and come up with something brothers and sisters, =
time is running out.
I'll retreat for now.
Abdoulie A. Jallow
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who has=20
attempted to respond to Dr Saines' call, my observation is that we are =
going=20
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call,=20
from how I decipher it, is to come up with a scheme for national =
reconciliation=20
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suggestions are=20
made, is the chastisements we've been seeing here. I'm not excluding =
myself from=20
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we've=20
been in for such a long time. </FONT></EM></DIV>
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face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode">If we are to achieve a compromising =
situation that=20
will benefit our people, we should all refrain from trying to point out =
what the=20
other has done wrong- this has already been crystallized many a times. =
We should=20
instead move on to the next step as Dr. Saine has pointed out. If we =
come to=20
realize that a compromise can never be reached, then we know that, at =
least, an=20
effort has been made, as Ous Bojang rightly pointed out. =
</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode"></FONT></EM><EM><FONT=20
face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode">My appeal to all of you wonderful sons and =
daughters=20
of our beloved Gambia is that we set aside our grievances for a moment =
and=20
settle in our retreats, dig deep down in our minds and come up with a=20
solidified proposal to rescue our motherland. This, I believe is =
what Dr.=20
Saine is calling for and will surely be achieved if we work on it.=20
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face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode">Let's get into " Halwa" and come =
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Mr Saine,
This is a timely contribution and I want to believe that any sensible =
person will subscribe to the idea. However, reconciliation and healing =
will take a gradual process, and time must take its own accord. It`s =
been too many years of hardship! For now I`m sure many Gambians can =
forgive, but might not forget.
And how about our intellectuals starting to consider returning home for =
the sake of nation building? Should we add that to the suggestions?
Again thank you for bringing this up.
Regards,
Omar.
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Emne: Re: [It is Time to Heal Self and Nation]
My Dear good Dr,
I do agree with you that sometimes our political differences are =
reduced to
very low level of personal differences,this is without doubt very
unfortunate.Such debating tactics are off course as a result of the fact =
that
one is not in the position of stating clearly what one is against or =
for,this
is very unhealthy.
But there are some issues that you raised in your article which sounds =
very
compromising,I think politically it will be wrong to compromise the =
future and
or lay grounds for a political compromise with a political force that is =
bend
on political tactics much more disturbing than ever experience in the
political history of our dear nation.
But first ,on the past years of the Jawara regime,30 years of =
neo-colonial
rule,did reduced our dear nation to that of a begging =
status,corruption,tribal
confusion,the decaying poverty etc could not only be placed in a
museum,without bringing those responsible to account.This will be in
contradiction with any effort geared towards national compromise,it will =
not
be a sign of respect for all those who have have suffered under such
conditions.Not even to talk of parents who spent all day,from sun up to =
sun
set,on the land,producing not only for themselves but for the =
development of
our dear nation,they do pay tax,but never had access to clean drinking
water,no medicines at hospitals,their children died before reaching the
hospital whiles those responsible could travel to London for a =
holiday,or to
play golf at the expense of the nation.To say that these people should =
be
given the opportunity to participate again in the political life of our
nation,in my opinion is no call to democracy.But turning the clock of =
national
development backward,this will be unfortunate for our dear nation.
Yes then comes the APRC government.I dont agree with Ebrima Ceesay that =
things
are different in the country,because we moved from military rule to =
Civilian
rule.I have it very difficult to see the differences.It was not under =
military
rule that Syngle Nyasse,among others, was unlawfully arrested,detained =
and
tortured,it was not under military rule that Demba Jawo was arrested and
detained,it was not under military rule that the press bill was =
prepared,it
was not under military rule that our hospitals were rob of X-ray =
machines and
incubators,etc,etc.Who were those denied traveling out of the country =
under
military rule ?What Ebrima failed to see and understand is that we have=20
opposition parties and elements who never allow themselves to be silent =
with
unlawful arrest,detention and torture.They continued to show resistance =
and
demand democratic changes,if our country have become more democratic it =
is not
as a result of goodwill political gesture but as a result of the =
consistent
struggle of ordinary Gambians.We must continue to speak out against
injustice.
We have in these days been reading interesting revelation from Ebou
Jallow,when a president handle national property,transferring loans from =
one
personal account to another and in millions,like personal property,the
sincerity of such a political leadership to national development is =
without
doubt very questionable.And now the national debt stands at more than 4
billion dallasis,(yet there are no funds to print birth certificate)who =
is
going to pay for all these monies ?is it not the ordinary Gambian people =
?We
know that despite this huge debt problem,which will have to increase,a =
month
hardly pass without hearing that the president is on tour,security at =
the
state house is costing our nation millions,how much is the security of =
the
president at Kaninlia costing our nation ?Should one go in to political
compromise with such a political force.It is not reforms we need but =
total
political change.
In that regard I demand that;
1)The AFPR government be dissolved immediately
2)To set up a commission that will look into all loans that have been =
taking
in the name of the Gambian people
3)To set up a transitional national unity government that will have as =
an
assignment
a)The review of the constitution
B)Prepare a national election
C)Set up a committee that will have as an assignment to recover =
all
national property and bring all those who have misuse their office and =
other
state apparatus for personal and collective interest
=20
4)Set up a committee to find out the truth behind the death of Ousman =
Koro
Ceesay and Sadibu Hydara
5)Release all political prisoners.
For Freedom
Saiks
G-L Community:
I have been greatly enriched by my association with the Bantaba and over
the year that I have been a member, I have been impressed by the
diversity of views expressed. Yet, I am also saddened by the pain that
seem to be at the core of our constant criticisms against Jammeh and
Jawara. Clearly, the coup in 1994 and its aftermath have had and
continue to have a traumatizing effect on all Gambians. The criticisms
leveled against Jammeh and his Government and for that matter Jawara's
by well meaning people, reflect the hurt and trauma I spoke of earlier.
Both Jawara and Jammeh have made mistakes. It has been pointed out by
many that Sir Dawda made many mistakes during his thirty year rule. And
needless to say Jammeh has also had his share of mistakes. It is time to
move the debate beyond blame and recrimination and propose concrete
remedies to both the political impasse/stalemate on Gambia-L and in the
country of our birth, Gambia. The reality is Jammeh is President and
Jawara is not. Both Jammeh and Jawara are not perfect.
And it appears that the overwhelming sentiment on the L and Gambia,
though expressed differently, lead ultimately toward improving the lives
of Gambians. This ought to be the theme that unifies us as a people.
This unity of purpose does not mean necessarily that we would all agree
on an issue, but it should guide us as we pursue a common vision for
Gambia with other Gambians.
What can we do as a community of Gambians and people interested in
Gambia to influence and shape in a decisive and positive way political
events unfolding in Gambia? How can we begin to engage President Jammeh
and his Government and influence him in the direction we desire and
toward that vision? What compromises is Jammeh willing to make? What
concessions must we make?
It seems that the L and the political situation at home are populated by
some individuals who speak at and alienate each other. We need to get
to the next level, I suggest, by proposing solutions to Gambia's current
political crisis. The criticism leveled against Jawara and Jammeh during
their recent visits to the U.S., have had an effect, admitted by them or
not.
Let us turn to a new page!
From the discussion over the last year certain key concerns we appear to
share are summarized below. These include:
a)A Gambia where individuals can pursue a livelihood in dignity while
enjoying basic freedoms and to vote in a government of their choice
unrestrained by the state or its authorities;
b)A political atmosphere were fear of retribution is not a constraint to
the expression of one's beliefs, either in print or verbally; and
c)Political participation as a right that all Gambians are entitled.
If my reading of the Bantaba and the crisis at home are accurate, we
must begin to work with President Jammeh, his Government and the Gambian
People to resolve these issues. And as the Presidential and National
Assembly elections are fast approaching, it is imperative that the
political system be opened up.
I propose that at minimum, all political parties and politicians that
were banned shortly before the 1996 elections, be unbanned and let the
Gambian people decide who rules them.
The latter it appears to me and many more on the Bantaba, is a way to
realizing this vision for Gambia and Gambians. To me, this is beyond
partisan politics. It is life of a people and of future generations.
This could be our challenge to President Jammeh and his government.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
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Ebou Jallow,
You are not doing Gambians any favours clinging on to millions of =
dollars, and telling us that you`ll return them when you die. Who knows =
when that is gonna be? Well if you should hit the nienties we sure will =
amass a huge interest because we are talking about a "very handsome" =
amount here. Sorry we dont want to wait that long.
There is no way you can exonerate yourself and blame the government. =
You`re not alleviating the suffering of your own people. If you should =
surrender this amount maybe Dr jallow`s patients at the Serrekunda =
clinic could be saved, or the government could upgrade the labs at the =
various high schools, or sponsor school kids who are at the verge of =
dropping out, or buy new sporting gear for the Scorpions and give them =
more incentives, or renovate the psychiatric hospital at Campama Estate, =
or launch a welfare programme to rehabilitate our sisters in =
prostitution, or the brothers addicted to hard drugs, the =
talibes(almoodies) and beggars at every street corner, or start a =
campaign against the abuse of our women etc, etc.
Just think about this Ebou. You can go round and boast about being the =
only Gambian to surrender millions to the national coffers willingly. =
Atleast you deserve credit for the decency in amitting that the money is =
not yours. I`m sure we`ll remember you for that.
Regards,
Omar.
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>Ebou,
>
>All things being the same I think it is equally prudent and objective =
to ask
>for Ebou Jallow to shed more light on the milions of dollars siphoned =
into
>his private bank account at the expense of Gambians much as he finds it
>timely to divulged his secrets about his colleagues' deeds.
>
>God bless The Gambia and Mother Africa.
>
>OB Silla.
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Yes,
We can never go forward if we stand still! Political maturity and awareness
is essential at this juncture, and that is for Gambians to evalute and value
these two eras(The Jawara and Jammeh eras) of social,political and economic
catastrophe. We had really not moved forward, so why should we stand still.
The humble brother's idea of political reconcialiation and healing is a very
sound idea,even though it may involve a long process of consultations and
education.
Lets take the chance!
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>Mr Saine,
>
>This is a timely contribution and I want to believe that any sensible
>person will subscribe to the idea. However, reconciliation and healing will
>take a gradual process, and time must take its own accord. It`s been too
>many years of hardship! For now I`m sure many Gambians can forgive, but
>might not forget.
>
>And how about our intellectuals starting to consider returning home for the
>sake of nation building? Should we add that to the suggestions?
>
>Again thank you for bringing this up.
>
>Regards,
>Omar.
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>Emne: Re: [It is Time to Heal Self and Nation]
>
>
>My Dear good Dr,
>
>I do agree with you that sometimes our political differences are reduced
>to
>very low level of personal differences,this is without doubt very
>unfortunate.Such debating tactics are off course as a result of the fact
>that
>one is not in the position of stating clearly what one is against or
>for,this
>is very unhealthy.
>But there are some issues that you raised in your article which sounds very
>compromising,I think politically it will be wrong to compromise the future
>and
>or lay grounds for a political compromise with a political force that is
>bend
>on political tactics much more disturbing than ever experience in the
>political history of our dear nation.
>But first ,on the past years of the Jawara regime,30 years of neo-colonial
>rule,did reduced our dear nation to that of a begging
>status,corruption,tribal
>confusion,the decaying poverty etc could not only be placed in a
>museum,without bringing those responsible to account.This will be in
>contradiction with any effort geared towards national compromise,it will
>not
>be a sign of respect for all those who have have suffered under such
>conditions.Not even to talk of parents who spent all day,from sun up to
>sun
>set,on the land,producing not only for themselves but for the development
>of
>our dear nation,they do pay tax,but never had access to clean drinking
>water,no medicines at hospitals,their children died before reaching the
>hospital whiles those responsible could travel to London for a holiday,or
>to
>play golf at the expense of the nation.To say that these people should be
>given the opportunity to participate again in the political life of our
>nation,in my opinion is no call to democracy.But turning the clock of
>national
>development backward,this will be unfortunate for our dear nation.
>Yes then comes the APRC government.I dont agree with Ebrima Ceesay that
>things
>are different in the country,because we moved from military rule to
>Civilian
>rule.I have it very difficult to see the differences.It was not under
>military
>rule that Syngle Nyasse,among others, was unlawfully arrested,detained and
>tortured,it was not under military rule that Demba Jawo was arrested and
>detained,it was not under military rule that the press bill was prepared,it
>was not under military rule that our hospitals were rob of X-ray machines
>and
>incubators,etc,etc.Who were those denied traveling out of the country under
>military rule ?What Ebrima failed to see and understand is that we have
>opposition parties and elements who never allow themselves to be silent
>with
>unlawful arrest,detention and torture.They continued to show resistance and
>demand democratic changes,if our country have become more democratic it is
>not
>as a result of goodwill political gesture but as a result of the consistent
>struggle of ordinary Gambians.We must continue to speak out against
>injustice.
>We have in these days been reading interesting revelation from Ebou
>Jallow,when a president handle national property,transferring loans from
>one
>personal account to another and in millions,like personal property,the
>sincerity of such a political leadership to national development is without
>doubt very questionable.And now the national debt stands at more than 4
>billion dallasis,(yet there are no funds to print birth certificate)who is
>going to pay for all these monies ?is it not the ordinary Gambian people
>?We
>know that despite this huge debt problem,which will have to increase,a
>month
>hardly pass without hearing that the president is on tour,security at the
>state house is costing our nation millions,how much is the security of the
>president at Kaninlia costing our nation ?Should one go in to political
>compromise with such a political force.It is not reforms we need but total
>political change.
>In that regard I demand that;
>
>1)The AFPR government be dissolved immediately
>2)To set up a commission that will look into all loans that have been
>taking
>in the name of the Gambian people
>3)To set up a transitional national unity government that will have as an
>assignment
> a)The review of the constitution
> B)Prepare a national election
> C)Set up a committee that will have as an assignment to recover all
>national property and bring all those who have misuse their office and
>other
>state apparatus for personal and collective interest
>
>
>4)Set up a committee to find out the truth behind the death of Ousman Koro
>Ceesay and Sadibu Hydara
>5)Release all political prisoners.
>
>For Freedom
>
>Saiks
>
>
>
>
>G-L Community:
>
>I have been greatly enriched by my association with the Bantaba and over
>the year that I have been a member, I have been impressed by the
>diversity of views expressed. Yet, I am also saddened by the pain that
>seem to be at the core of our constant criticisms against Jammeh and
>Jawara. Clearly, the coup in 1994 and its aftermath have had and
>continue to have a traumatizing effect on all Gambians. The criticisms
>leveled against Jammeh and his Government and for that matter Jawara's
>by well meaning people, reflect the hurt and trauma I spoke of earlier.
>Both Jawara and Jammeh have made mistakes. It has been pointed out by
>many that Sir Dawda made many mistakes during his thirty year rule. And
>needless to say Jammeh has also had his share of mistakes. It is time to
>move the debate beyond blame and recrimination and propose concrete
>remedies to both the political impasse/stalemate on Gambia-L and in the
>country of our birth, Gambia. The reality is Jammeh is President and
>Jawara is not. Both Jammeh and Jawara are not perfect.
>
>And it appears that the overwhelming sentiment on the L and Gambia,
>though expressed differently, lead ultimately toward improving the lives
>of Gambians. This ought to be the theme that unifies us as a people.
>This unity of purpose does not mean necessarily that we would all agree
>on an issue, but it should guide us as we pursue a common vision for
>Gambia with other Gambians.
>
>What can we do as a community of Gambians and people interested in
>Gambia to influence and shape in a decisive and positive way political
>events unfolding in Gambia? How can we begin to engage President Jammeh
>and his Government and influence him in the direction we desire and
>toward that vision? What compromises is Jammeh willing to make? What
>concessions must we make?
>
>It seems that the L and the political situation at home are populated by
>some individuals who speak at and alienate each other. We need to get
>to the next level, I suggest, by proposing solutions to Gambia's current
>political crisis. The criticism leveled against Jawara and Jammeh during
>their recent visits to the U.S., have had an effect, admitted by them or
>not.
>
>Let us turn to a new page!
>
>From the discussion over the last year certain key concerns we appear to
>share are summarized below. These include:
>
>a)A Gambia where individuals can pursue a livelihood in dignity while
>enjoying basic freedoms and to vote in a government of their choice
>unrestrained by the state or its authorities;
>
>b)A political atmosphere were fear of retribution is not a constraint to
>the expression of one's beliefs, either in print or verbally; and
>
>c)Political participation as a right that all Gambians are entitled.
>
>If my reading of the Bantaba and the crisis at home are accurate, we
>must begin to work with President Jammeh, his Government and the Gambian
>People to resolve these issues. And as the Presidential and National
>Assembly elections are fast approaching, it is imperative that the
>political system be opened up.
>
>I propose that at minimum, all political parties and politicians that
>were banned shortly before the 1996 elections, be unbanned and let the
>Gambian people decide who rules them.
>
>The latter it appears to me and many more on the Bantaba, is a way to
>realizing this vision for Gambia and Gambians. To me, this is beyond
>partisan politics. It is life of a people and of future generations.
>This could be our challenge to President Jammeh and his government.
>WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>
>Abdoulaye Saine
>
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To me, this is beyond
> partisan politics. It is life of a people and of future generations.
> This could be our challenge to President Jammeh and his government.
> WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>
> Abdoulaye Saine
>
Thanks Dr. Saine,
I also share the same sentiments on your proposals. The
general comments from list members acknowledges that we as
Gambians, whether at home or in the diaspora need peace,
tranquility and reconciliation of our nation as we approach
the new millennium. Your last statement is very
timely and cannot be more aptly structured. It is about
time we stop the constant recrimination and our static,
dogmatic position on political issues in our dear
motherland. Blaming ad-infinitum does nothing to change the
livihood of the majority of our people. Constructive
dialogue can have healing powers. If south africa can have
a "truth and reconciliation" committee considering the
excesses of apartheid, I see no reason why we cannot have
the same in our small and beloved motherland. It is always
difficult for individuals to admit when they are at fault.
Admitting failure is not tantamount to being guilty. Human
beings are fallible.
The welfare and future development of Gambians is more
important than party politics. Presidents come and go, but
the Gambia as a nation stays on. The challenges and
opportunities facing the nation are enormous as we approach
the next century. What can the Bantaba do to promote
political dialogue between the various factions?, What can
we do to eradicate poverty and uplift the living standards
of the nation?. Simple questons but complex answers. We all
have a role to play as we are all stakeholders. Being in
the industrial world doesn't absolve us from the fact that
99.9% of our families are in Gambia and their suffering is
our suffering, their happiness is also our happiness. I
believe that it is through constructive dialogue that we
can make any headway and progress. I sincerely hope that
the suggestions being floated around will be actively
engaged upon.
Thanks for the voice of moderation.
Basil
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Fatou Jahumpa-Ceesay,
I do have views on the Captain Ebou Jallow saga and I intend to make some
pertinent comments, in relation to the issue, at the appropriate time.
Right now, there is a very important subject on healing and reconcilation,
raised by Dr Abdoulaye Saine, which, I believe, needs to be exhaustively
debated.
Fatou, let me take the opportunity to send my special regards to your son,
what's his name again? Tho one who used to record my BBC interviews during
the transition period.
Gambia L, Dr Tijan Sallah, the poet and the World Bank economist was
interviewed this morning on the BBC's Network Africa Programme, and I did
enjoy listening to the interview.
Perhaps if you check it on the Network Africa Web Page, you might find it
there. I listened to it via a radio station here, which relays/airs the
programmes of the BBC African Service.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
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>HI Bro Ebrima (COACH),
>Please lets hear your views/comments with regards to Ebou Jallow's
>articles.
>Bye Sis FJC.
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Jaajef wa G-L,
I came across this article written by Shamina Sheickh, a leading female =
anti-aparthied activist, which I thought might be of interest to to
others on the list...any thoughts? It is in 2 parts as there was not =
enough space for the full text on one e-mail.
Yeenduleen ak jaama
Tony
=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=
=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E=7E Women & Islam * The Gender =
Struggle in South Africa: The Ideological Struggle
MYM Islamic Tarbiyyah Programme =2797 19 * 23 Dec, =
As-Salaam, KZN
Bismillah hir rah ma nir Rahim Alhamdulillah hil =
ladhi hadana li hadha wa ma kunna li nahtadiyya low la an hadhanallah
In the Name of God, Most Gracious, the Dispenser of Grace
All praise is to Allah, Who has Guided us to this. Were it not for His =
Guidance we would surely have been lost.
Introduction
We will be discussing an important arena of the Struggle in upholding the =
dignity of Muslim women in Islam and the Muslim community. That is the =
Ideological struggle * the struggle to grasp the existing controversial =
and conflicting perception of the status, position, =
worth and constitution of women * a perception used to control women=A2s =
actions and status. For Muslims, this perception is supposed to be =
derived primarily from the Qur=27an and Sunnah.
We will look into verses in the Qur=A2an that deal with
principles and practices or law to ascertain the Qur=A2anic concept of =
Women and Gender Identity. For Muslims the Qur=A2an is the basis. I was =
also going to look at Hadith, but unfortunately this =
already looks like it will take all the time available.
A good book for you to look at on the Prophetic
Community is Leila Ahmed=A2s Women, Gender and Islam.
But now I=A2m going to look only at Qur=A2an. The reason I want to look =
at it is in order to grasp the existing controversy and conflicting =
perceptions on the status, position, worth and constitution of women, =
perceptions used to control women=A2s actions and status. =
The perception is that Islam has placed a low status on women and a higher =
one for men. We will look at the verses that deal with principles and =
practices or law to ascertain the Qur=A2anic concept of =
women=A2s gender identity.
An intellectual Exercise?
The question one could ask is: Is it just an intellectual exercise.
Some activists regard an ideological investigation as an =22intellectual =
exercise=22 undertaken by people not involved in the real issues.
When I informed the ITP co-ordinator about the focus of this paper, =
this is how she responded inher email message to me:
=22 Regarding the brief itself, I have only to indicate that when this =
topic was suggested in the first place, I expressed that we have to look =
at new ways of tackling the issue because we always =
cover the same ground and get nowhere due to the stubbornness and even =
arrogance sometimes on the part of ourselves to accept what is actually a =
very black and white issue. That is why I suggested initially that, =
instead of trying to =22emancipate=22 a group of middle-class, somewhat =
pampered women who really have no affinity to
the REAL issues facing the struggle for gender equality in this country, =
we devote our precious time to looking at ways for bringing the Gender =
Desk closer to reality, like the W.Cape has done. It is fine =
by me if you want to look at Qur=27anic perspectives and all that, but I =
think that the idea that we are actually going to GET somewhere, or make =
known some things that were not known before, needs =
to be read with caution=22
I think I agree with the co-ordinator, the liberal =
class does do that. But in Islam the Qur=A2an applies to all, whether =
it=A2s post-middle, pre-middle or working class. The =
same laws apply to the couple, the same laws apply to the man. And all =
classes need to know that because that forms the basis of their identity. =
So it=A2s slightly different, and also I thought it was important that we =
deal with that, because in my experience * and I=A2ve been working with =
women since I=A2ve been the Gender Desk Co-ordinator more focussed on =
gender issues. And in Johannesburg they=A2re working with women in =
divorce cases, women that have been beaten and a =
whole host of women. And the only advice that I could give them was one =
that the Qur=A2an says this about you, gives you a status. Because I =
find it very difficult to tell somebody something that they don=A2t =
believe in. I can=A2t tell them, =22Yes, get divorced.=22 But I can tell =
them,
=22You have a right to get divorced. The choice is now yours.=22 I =
suggest that they go for some social welfare service. So I think =
there=A2s a need for both kinds of things:
like the one Cape Town (MYM) has and the kind of thing*
What Cape Town does is integrate both. The more people know these issues, =
the more people will integrate them or deal with one only before the =
problem arises. So that=A2s how it should go.
We cannot altogether dismiss the need for support =
and other social welfare services, and as long as the problems exist, it =
is essential that we have social welfare and other institutions that can =
provide necessary relief for victims. And these problems will continue =
for as long as there is
confusion regarding the correct and liberatory =
Qur=A2anic position on women. We must tackle the problem itself and for =
Muslim women, Islam and the Qur=A2an can be both a force of empowerment =
and undermining and disempowerment. It is the source Muslims accept
unflinchingly.
The conflict and, yes, sometimes confusion in our
understanding of Islam and gender status arises from the complex way in =
which a society works.=20
Forces within the Muslim community that cause
conflict and confusion in understanding Women, Gender & Islam. After 1400 =
years it appears that there is still confusion and conflict as to the =
status of women in Islam, and the role gender plays in an individual=A2s =
worth in terms of status, position, potential and constitution.
Despite the overwhelming and strong position of Muslims that Islam =
liberated women 1400 years ago, you still find there=A2s a problem. Some =
thought and practice within Muslim society does not reflect this =
conviction, giving rise to the accusation that Islam oppresses women, to =
which the Muslim community reacts emotionally with denial and
animosity, without reflecting inwardly and addressing the existing =
problems.
And I think the reason for this is the way the Muslim
community works. What makes Islam work in a Muslim community is a mixture =
of Islam, the context, an interpretation of Islamic text * Qur=A2an and =
Hadith, culture, tradition, customs and the interests of those who are =
dominant in the community * those who hold the reigns of
power.
These elements are not necessarily negative. The
objective is not to apply some =22purist=22 understanding of Islam based =
exclusively on the Qur=A2an. In fact, the Qur=A2anic and Prophetic method =
is to consider the other elements in order to provide a viable and =
practical solution to an event
or problem. The Qur=A2an consists of Divine responses to particular =
questions within a particular context. Therefore it is essential that =
Islam and the Qur=A2an are contextualised.
However, these elements that work within the Muslim community often do so =
at cross-purposes with conflicting agendas and motives. As a result we =
have conflicting messages. If somebody wants to subjugate women they =
will come with a different interpretation, they will do a whole host of =
things. So you=A2ll find conflict: in interpretation, in understanding =
who women are. And people tend to interpret for their convenience. =
However, I don=A2t think these elements are necessarily =
negative. In order for Islam to work it needs to be contextualised and =
not taking all these elements into consideration means you have not =
listened to one category or class of people. In fact the Qur=A2an and =
the Prophet did exactly that. They took in to consideration the =
customs; they took in to
consideration a whole host of things in order to =
understand the laws within the context. It thus is often difficult to =
distinguish between these various elements. It is therefore not surprising=
that we are confused on the issues of women, gender and Islam and =
articulate and send conflicting messages.
Muslim Feminists
We=A2re seeing a lot of Muslim feminists. Their =
books have been translated into English and even in small communities =
like in South Africa (I=A2m sure all of us are being accused of being =
feminists). Muslim feminists face criticism from =
other feminists for insisting on maintaining the link to Islam in the =
gender struggle. The Muslim feminist looks to the Qur=A2an and the =
Prophet as a force for liberation, but in this ideological struggle faces
tremendous opposition and criticism for =22reinterpreting=22, =22changing =
the Qur=A2an=22, =22following western feminists=22, etc. from the clergy, =
the community as well as other women.
These feminists insist that they are inspired by Islam and the women =
heroes of Islam who stood up for justice and human rights. And that Islam =
is a force of empowerment rather than of disempowerment.
Let=A2s live as we Believe
There is a hadith which states a profound truth =
about human life: =22If you don=A2t live as you believe then you begin =
to believe as you live.=22
In order to live as we believe, and to understand =
what the Islamic and Qur=A2anic identity of the Woman is, it is =
essential that we do an enquiry and investigation of the Islamic sources =
* the Qur=A2an (in particular) and the practice of the Prophet=A2s =
community. Because of the short
time available, I will focus here only on the Qur=A2an.
The Qur=A2an: Principles, Practices and Law
The Qur=A2an is the first source of guidance, so =
we=A2ll start by looking at what the Qur=A2an says about the position and =
place of women and what role, if any, gender plays in
status of the individual.
Perhaps an important point to make before we begin =
discussing verses of the Qur=A2an, however, is that all such discussion =
is based on contextual interpretation. No person can honestly claim to =
understand any part of the Qur=A2an without any interpretation. During =
the Battle of Siffin, the followers of Mu=A2awiyah once called for a =
cessation of hostilities between Mu=A2awiyah=A2s and =A1Ali=A2s parties. =
They should, they said, accept the
Qur=A2an as the arbitrator between them. Imam =
=A1Ali=A2s response is very instructive. He said: =22When Mu=A2awiyah =
invited me to the Qur=A2an for a decision, I could not turn my face =
away from the Book of Allah. The Mighty and Glorious Allah declared =
that =A1If you dispute about anything, refer it to Allah and His =
Apostle=A2.
(However,) this is the Qur=A2an, written in =
straight lines, between two boards (of binding); it does not speak with =
a tongue; it needs interpreters and interpreters are people.=22
In order to ascertain the status of men and women =
we will look at verses that lay down certain principles and verses =
that are reactions to particular contexts.
The Principles:
O Humankind=21 Be conscious of your Sustainer, =
who has created humanity out of one living entity, and out of it =
created its mate, and out of the two spread abroad a multitude of men =
and women. And remain conscious of God, in whose name you demand =5Byour =
rights=5D from one
another, and of these ties of kinship. Verily, =
God is ever watchful over you=21 (4:1)
The points I=A2d like to highlight here*
The source of all human creation is one living =
entity, unlike the biblical interpretation or understanding that men =
were created first and thereafter women, and women were created from =
men. Even upto recently, I had the idea that
women were created second also, and that men were =
created first and that women were created out of men.
And here it is quite clear that No, there was this =
one =22entity=22 and Allah created men and women from it. So, women =
could have been created first or men could have been created first; =
it=A2s difficult to say. What we know is that from one =
entity multitudes of men and women were
created. All individuals are born from one entity, according to this =
verse, and have the same status and equal potential to do good and =
evil.
This is such a positive verse, and there are many like =
that. Why do we choose to make more popular the =22negative=22 ones =
like the one that can be interpreted that men can beat women. Why not =
this verse and on the basis of this
verse interpret that. If one comes to this first =
you know that gender doesn=A2t play a part in spirituality or anything. =
If you come with the idea that you are inferior in the first =
place, your approach to a particular verse that applies to a
particular context will have to be negative, will =
have to see you as inferior. Whereas, if you have a positive one, it =
will have to be positive, it will have to accept that =
there is some kind of equality here. You=A2ll need to interpret a verse =
on how you treat somebody according to what the Qur=A2an says are basic =
principles or what basic essence of women or men is.
Verily, for all men and women who have surrendere=
d themselves unto God, and all believing men and believing women, and =
all truly devout men and truly devout women, and all men and women who =
are true to their word, and all men and women who are true to their =
word, and all men and women who are patient in adversity, and all =
men and women who humble themselves =5Bbefore God=5D, and =
all men and women who give in charity, and all self-denying men and
self-denying women, and all men and women who are mindful of =
their chastity, and all men and women who remember God unceasingly, for =
=5Ball of=5D them has God readied forgiveness of sins and a mighty =
reward. (33:35) This verse shows clearly that all spiritual and =
moral obligations of men and women are the same. And that the
ones capacity is not inferior to the others. It =
stresses the moral rights and moral obligations of men and women. And =
if God has given men and women the same obligations it is only because =
they have the same potential. God is Merciful. He won=A2t apply greater =
responsibility than one can bear. Many a time what we =
have is people claiming that women are morally inferior or spiritually=
inferior. They menstruate, they are not capable, they cause fitnah. =
And the Qur=A2an clearly states that The Merciful God can never place =
obligations greater than one
can bear. And if she=A2s not spiritually whole or =
morally whole then you can=A2t expect her to be equally moral and =
equally spiritual. And this verse says that we are equally so.
(to be continued..next week)
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Assalaamu alaikum=20
Alhamdulillah and we continue our lessons on salaah with Shaickh =
al-Albaani (raheemahullah).
Tarteel (Recitation in slow, rhythmic tones), & Making the Voice =
Beautiful when Reciting=20
He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to recite the Qur'aan in slow, =
measured rythmic tones as Allaah had instructed him, not racing or =
hurrying; rather, his was "a recitation clearly- distinguishing each =
letter"1, so much so that "he would recite a soorah in such slow =
rhythmic tones that it would be longer than would seem possible."2=20
He also used to say: It will be said to the reciter of the Qur'aan (on =
the Day of Judgment), 'Recite and ascend; recite slowly and rhythmically =
as you used to do in the previous world; your place will be at the last =
aayah you recite.3=20
He "used to prolong his recitation (at a letter which can be prolonged), =
such as at bismil-laah, at ar-rahmaan, and at ar- raheem"4, and at =
"nadeed" (Qaaf 50:10)5 & their like.=20
He used to stop at the end of an aayah, as has already been explained.6=20
Sometimes "he would recite in an attractive vibrating tone7, as he did =
on the Day of the Conquest of Makkah, when, while on his she-camel, he =
recited soorah al-Fath (48:29) [very softly]8, and 'Abdullaah ibn =
Mughaffal narrated this attractive tone thus : aaa."9=20
He used to command making one's voice beautiful when reciting the =
Qur'aan, saying=20
Beautify the Qur'aan with your voices [for a fine voice increases the =
Qur'aan in beauty]10 and=20
Truly, the one who has one of the finest voices among the people for =
reciting the Qur'aan is the one whom you think fears Allaah when you =
hear him recite.11=20
He also used to command recitation of the Qur'aan in a pleasant tone, =
saying: Study the Book of Allaah; recite it repeatedly; acquire =
(memorise) it; and recite it in a melodious tone, for by Him in whose =
Hand is my soul, it runs away quicker than camels from their tying =
ropes.12=20
He also used to say, He who does not recite the Qur'aan in a pleasant =
tone is not of us13 and=20
Allaah does not listen to anything as he listens (in some versions: as =
he is listening) to a prophet [with a nice voice, and in one version: =
with a nice melody] who recites the Qur'aan in a pleasant tone14 =
[loudly].15=20
He said to Abu Moosaa al-Ash'ari (radi Allaahu 'anhu),=20
Had you seen me while I was listening to your recitation yesterday! You =
have surely been given one of the musical wind- instruments16 of the =
family of Daawood! [So Abu Moosaa said: "Had I known you were there, I =
would have made my voice more pleasant and emotional for you]."17=20
Correcting the Imaam=20
He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) set the example of correcting the =
imaam when his recitation becomes mixed up, when once "he prayed, =
reciting loudly, and his recitation became mixed up, so when he =
finished, he said to Ubayy: Did you pray with us? He replied, 'Yes.' He =
said, So what prevented you [from correcting me]?"18=20
Seeking Refuge & Spitting Lightly during Prayer in order to Repel =
Temptation=20
'Uthmaan ibn Abi l-'Aas (radi Allaahu 'anhu) said to him, "O Messenger =
of Allaah! The devil comes between me and my prayer and confuses me in =
my recitation!" So the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa =
sallam) said, That is a devil called Khinzab, so when you detect him, =
seek refuge with Allaah from him, and spit lightly19 on your left three =
times. He said, "So when I did that, Allaah caused him to go away from =
me."20
The Rukoo' (Bowing)=20
After completing his recitation, he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) =
would pause for a moment21, then raise his hands22 in the way described =
earlier under the "Opening Takbeer", say takbeer23, and make rukoo'.24=20
He also ordered "the one who prayed badly" likewise, saying to him, =
Indeed, the prayer of one of you is not complete until he makes an =
excellent ablution as Allaah has commanded him to ... then he celebrates =
Allaah's greatness, praises and glorifies Him, then recites the Qur'aan =
as much as is easy for him from what Allaah has taught him and allowed =
him, then says takbeer and makes rukoo' [and places his hands on his =
knees] until his joints are at ease and relaxed25=20
The Rukoo' Described=20
"He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would place his palms on his =
knees"26, and "would order them to do likewise"27, as he ordered "the =
one who prayed badly" in the afore-mentioned hadeeth.=20
"He would put his hands firmly on his knees [as though he were grasping =
them]"28, and "would space his fingers out"29, ordering "the one who =
prayed badly" likewise, saying: When you make rukoo', place your palms =
on your knees, then space your fingers out, then remain (like that) =
until every limb takes its (proper) place.30=20
"He used to spread himself (i.e., not be in a compact position), and =
keep his elbows away from his sides."31=20
"When he made rukoo', he would spread his back and make it level"32, =
"such that if water were poured on it, it (the water) would stay there =
(i.e., not run off)."33 He also said to "the one who prayed badly", When =
you make rukoo', put your palms on your knees, spread your back (flat) =
and hold firm in your rukoo'.34=20
"He would neither let his head droop nor raise it (i.e. higher than his =
back)"35, but it would be in between.36=20
The Obligation of Being at Ease in Rukoo'=20
He used to be at ease in his rukoo', and ordered "the one who prayed =
badly" to be so, as has been mentioned in the first section on rukoo'.=20
He used to say, Complete the rukoo' and sujood, for by Him in whose Hand =
is my soul, I surely see you behind my back37 when you make rukoo' and =
sujood.38=20
"He saw a man praying not completing his rukoo' properly, and pecking in =
his sujood, so he said, Were this man to die in this state, he would die =
on a faith other than that of Muhammad, [pecking in his prayer as a crow =
pecks at blood; he who does not make rukoo' completely and pecks in his =
sujood is like the hungry person who eats one or two dates, which are of =
no use to him at all.39=20
Abu Hurairah (radi Allaahu 'anhu) said, "My close friend (sallallaahu =
'alaihi wa sallam) forbade me from pecking in my prayer like a cockerel, =
from looking around like a fox, and from squatting like a monkey."40=20
The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) also used to =
say, The worst thief among men is the one who steals from his prayer. =
They said, "O Messenger of Allaah, how does he steal from his prayer?" =
He said, He does not complete its rukoo' and sujood.41=20
Once, "he was praying, when he glanced out of the corner of his eye at a =
man not settling his backbone in rukoo' and sujood. When he finished, he =
said, O assembly of Muslims! Verily, the prayer is not valid of the one =
who does not settle his spine in rukoo' and sujood."42=20
He said in another hadeeth, The prayer of a man does not count unless he =
straightens his back in rukoo' and sujood.43=20
The Adhkaar of Rukoo'=20
He would say different types of remembrance of Allaah and supplication, =
any one of the following at a time:=20
1..=20
(Subhaana =
Rabbial adheem)
How Perfect is my Lord, the Supreme!, three times.44 But sometimes, he =
would repeat it more than that.45 Once, in night prayer, he repeated it =
so much that his rukoo' became nearly as long as his standing before it, =
in which he had recited three of the Long Soorahs: Baqarah, Nisaa' and =
aal- 'Imraan. This prayer was full of supplication & seeking =
forgiveness, and the hadeeth has already been mentioned under =
"Recitation in Night Prayer."
2..=20
Subhaana Rabbial adheem =
wa bihamdih
How Perfect is my Lord, the Supreme, and Praised be He, three times.46
3..=20
Subbuh Qudduus Rabbul =
Malaikati Wa Ruh
Perfect, Blessed,47 Lord of the Angels and the Spirit.48
4..=20
Subhaanaka Allahumma wa bihamdika =
Allahummaghfirlee
How Perfect You are O Allaah, and Praises are for You. O Allaah, =
forgive me. He would say it often in his rukoo' and sujood, implementing =
(the order of) the Qur'aan.49
5..=20
Allahumma laka raka'atu wa bika amantu wa laka aslamtu anta Rabbee =
khasa'a laka sam'ee wa basaree wa mukhee wa adhmee (wa edhaamee) wa =
'asabee (wa maastaqallat bihi qadamee lillaahee rabbil aalameen)
O Allaah! To You I have bowed; in You I have believed; to You I have =
submitted; [You are my Lord]; humbled for You are my hearing, my seeing, =
my marrow, my bone (in one narration: my bones), my sinews, [and =
whatever my feet carry50 (are humbled) for Allaah, Lord of the =
Worlds].51
6..=20
Allahumma lakal raka'tu wa bika aamantu wa laka aslamtu wa alaika =
tawakkaltu anta rabbee khasha'a sam'ee wa basaree wa dammee wa lahmee wa =
adhamee wa 'asabee lillaahi rabbil aalameen
O Allaah! to You I have bowed; in You I have believed; to You I have =
submitted; in You I have placed my trust; You are my Lord; my hearing, =
my seeing, my blood, my flesh, my bones, and my sinews are humbled for =
Allaah, Lord of the Worlds.52
7..=20
Subhaana dheel jabaruti walmalakuuti wal kibriyaa e waladhamah
How Perfect is He Who has all Power, Kingdom, Magnificence and =
Supremity, which he used to say in night prayer.
Lengthening the Rukoo'=20
"He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to make his rukoo', his =
standing after rukoo', his sujood, and his sitting in between the two =
sajdahs, nearly equal in length."53=20
Forbiddance of Reciting the Qur'aan in Rukoo'=20
"He used to forbid recitation of the Qur'aan in rukoo' and sujood."54 =
Further, he used to say, Verily, I have indeed been forbidden from =
reciting the Qur'aan in rukoo' or sujood. In the rukoo', therefore, =
glorify the Supremity of the Lord, Mighty and Sublime, in it; as for the =
sujood, exert yourselves in supplication in it, for it is most likely =
that you will be answered.55=20
Straightening up from the Rukoo', & what is to be said then=20
Next, "he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would straighten up his back =
out of rukoo', saying,=20
Sami'allahu liman hamidah
(Allaah listens =
to the one who praises Him).56=20
He also ordered "the one who prayed badly" to do that, when he said to =
him: No person's prayer is complete until ... he has said takbeer ... =
then made rukoo' ... then has said "Allaah listens to the one who =
praises Him" until he is standing straight."57 When he raised his head, =
he would stand straight until every vertebra returned to its place.58=20
Next, "he would say while standing:=20
Rabbana walakalhamd
=
(Our Lord, [and] to You be all Praise).59=20
He has commanded all worshippers, whether behind an imaam or not, to do =
the above on rising from rukoo', by saying Pray as you have seen me =
praying.60=20
He also used to say, The imaam is there to be followed ... when he has =
said 'Allaah listens to the one who praises Him' then say, '[O Allaah!] =
Our Lord, and to You be all Praise'; Allaah will listen to you, for =
indeed, Allaah, Blessed and Exalted, has said via the tongue of His =
Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam): Allaah listens to the one who =
praises Him.'61=20
He also gave a reason for this command in another hadeeth, saying: for =
he whose saying coincides with that of the angels will have his past =
sins forgiven.62=20
He used to raise his hands when straightening up63, in the ways =
described under the Opening Takbeer.=20
While standing, he would say, as previously-mentioned,
1..=20
=
Rabbana wa lakal hamd
Our Lord, and =
to You be all Praise64; or
2..=20
=
Rabbana lakalhamd
Our =
Lord, to You be all Praise.65
Sometimes, he would add at the beginning of either of these:
3..=20
=
Allahumma
=
O Allaah! ...66
He used to order others to do this, saying, "When the imaam says: =
Allaah listens to the one who praises Him, then say: O Allaah! Our Lord, =
to You be all Praise, for he whose saying coincides with that of the =
angels will have his past sins forgiven."67
Sometimes, he would add either:
4..=20
Mil assamawaati wamil a al-ardhi wamil a maashi i ta minshay in ba'd
... Filling the heavens, filling the earth, and filling whatever else =
You wish68, or
5..=20
Mil assamawati wamil a al-ardhi wa maa baynahumaa wa mil a ma =
shita min shay in ba'd
... Filling the heavens, [filling] the earth, whatever is between =
them, and filling whatever else You wish.69
Sometimes, he would add even further:
6..=20
Ahlthana i walmajd laa mani'a lima a'thayta wa laa mu'tiya lima =
mana'ta wa layanfa'u dhal jaddi minkal jaddi
Lord of Glory & Majesty! None can withhold what You grant, and none =
can grant what You withhold; nor can the possessions of an owner benefit =
him in front of You.70
Or, sometimes, the addition would be:
7..=20
Mil'a sama wati wa mil a al-ardhi wa ma baynahuma wa mil a ma shi'ta =
min shay in ba'd ahla thana i wal majd ahaqqu ma qaala al abdu wa =
kullunaa laka 'abdu, Allahumma la mani'a lima a'thaita wa la mu'thiya =
lima mana'ta wa la yanfa'u dhal jadd minkal jadd.
Filling the heavens, filling the earth, and filling whatever else You =
wish. Lord of Glory and Majesty! - The truest thing a slave has said, =
and we are all slaves to You. [O Allaah!] None can withhold what You =
grant, [and none can grant what You withhold,] nor can the possessions =
of an owner benefit him in front of You.71
Sometimes, he would say the following during night prayer:
8..=20
Li rabbiyal =
hamdu li rabbi yalhamdu
To my Lord be all Praise, to my Lord be all Praise, repeating it until =
his standing was about as long as his rukoo', which had been nearly as =
long as his first standing, in which he had recited soorah al-Baqarah.72
9..=20
Rabbana wa lakal hamdu hamdan katheeran thayyiban mubarakan fihi =
(mubarakan 'alayhi kama yuhibbu rabbuna wa yardha
Our Lord, and to You be all Praise, so much pure praise, inherently =
blessed, [externally blessed, as our Lord loves and is pleased with].73
A man praying behind him (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said this =
after he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) had raised his head from rukoo' =
and said: Allaah listens to the one who praises Him. When the Messenger =
of Allaah had finished his prayer, he said, Who was the one speaking =
just now? The man said, "It was I, O Messenger of Allaah." So the =
Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, I saw over =
thirty angels hurrying to be the first one to write it down.74
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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<H2 align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D3>Assalaamu alaikum </FONT></H2>
<DIV align=3Dleft>Alhamdulillah and we continue our lessons on salaah =
with Shaickh=20
al-Albaani (raheemahullah).</DIV>
<H2><A name=3DRTFToC26>Tarteel (Recitation in slow, rhythmic tones), =
& Making=20
the Voice Beautiful when Reciting </A></H2></CENTER>
<DIV>He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to recite the Qur'aan in =
slow,=20
measured rythmic tones as Allaah had instructed him, not racing or =
hurrying;=20
rather, his was "a recitation clearly- distinguishing each letter"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn00"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>1</FONT></SUP></A>, so much so that "he would recite a soorah =
in such=20
slow rhythmic tones that it would be longer than would seem possible."<A =
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn01"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>2</FONT></SUP></A> </DIV>
<P>He also used to say: <B>It will be said to the reciter of the Qur'aan =
(on the=20
Day of Judgment), 'Recite and ascend; recite slowly and rhythmically as =
you used=20
to do in the previous world; your place will be at the last aayah you=20
recite.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn02"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>3</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He "used to prolong his recitation (at a letter which can be =
prolonged), such=20
as at bismil-laah, at ar-rahmaan, and at ar- raheem"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn03"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>4</FONT></SUP></A>, and at "nadeed" (Qaaf 50:10)<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn04"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>5</FONT></SUP></A> & their like.=20
<P>He used to stop at the end of an aayah, as has already been =
explained.<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn05"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>6</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Sometimes "he would recite in an attractive vibrating tone<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn06"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>7</FONT></SUP></A>, as he did on the Day of the Conquest of =
Makkah,=20
when, while on his she-camel, he recited soorah al-Fath (48:29) [very =
softly]<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn07"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>8</FONT></SUP></A>, and 'Abdullaah ibn Mughaffal narrated this =
attractive tone thus : aaa."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn08"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>9</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He used to command making one's voice beautiful when reciting the =
Qur'aan,=20
saying=20
<P><B>Beautify the Qur'aan with your voices [for a fine voice increases =
the=20
Qur'aan in beauty]</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn09"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>10</FONT></SUP></A> and=20
<P><B>Truly, the one who has one of the finest voices among the people =
for=20
reciting the Qur'aan is the one whom you think fears Allaah when you =
hear him=20
recite.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn10"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>11</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He also used to command recitation of the Qur'aan in a pleasant tone, =
saying:=20
<B>Study the Book of Allaah; recite it repeatedly; acquire (memorise) =
it; and=20
recite it in a melodious tone, for by Him in whose Hand is my soul, it =
runs away=20
quicker than camels from their tying ropes.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn11"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>12</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P><B>He also used to say, He who does not recite the Qur'aan in a =
pleasant tone=20
is not of us</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn12"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>13</FONT></SUP></A> and=20
<P><B>Allaah does not listen to anything as he listens (in some =
versions: as he=20
is listening) to a prophet [with a nice voice, and in one version: with =
a nice=20
melody] who recites the Qur'aan in a pleasant tone</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn13"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>14</FONT></SUP></A><B> [loudly].</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn14"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>15</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He said to Abu Moosaa al-Ash'ari (radi Allaahu 'anhu),=20
<P><B>Had you seen me while I was listening to your recitation =
yesterday! You=20
have surely been given one of the musical wind- instruments</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn15"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>16</FONT></SUP></A><B> of the family of Daawood!</B> [So Abu =
Moosaa=20
said: "Had I known you were there, I would have made my voice more =
pleasant and=20
emotional for you]."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn16"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>17</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR></P><BR>
<CENTER>
<H2><A name=3DRTFToC27>Correcting the Imaam </A></H2></CENTER>
<DIV>He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) set the example of correcting =
the imaam=20
when his recitation becomes mixed up, when once "he prayed, reciting =
loudly, and=20
his recitation became mixed up, so when he finished, he said to Ubayy: =
<B>Did=20
you pray with us?</B> He replied, 'Yes.' He said, <B>So what prevented =
you [from=20
correcting me]?"</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn17"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>18</FONT></SUP></A> <BR></DIV><BR><BR>
<CENTER>
<H2><A name=3DRTFToC28>Seeking Refuge & Spitting Lightly during =
Prayer in=20
order to Repel Temptation </A></H2></CENTER>
<DIV>'Uthmaan ibn Abi l-'Aas (radi Allaahu 'anhu) said to him, "O =
Messenger of=20
Allaah! The devil comes between me and my prayer and confuses me in my=20
recitation!" So the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) =
said,=20
<B>That is a devil called Khinzab, so when you detect him, seek refuge =
with=20
Allaah from him, and spit lightly</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn18"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>19</FONT></SUP></A><B> on your left three times.</B> He said, =
"So when I=20
did that, Allaah caused him to go away from me."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/09_fn.html#fn19"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>20</FONT></SUP></A></DIV>
<DIV>
<H1><FONT size=3D5><A name=3DRTFToC1>The Rukoo' (Bowing) =
</A></FONT></H1>After=20
completing his recitation, he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would =
pause for a=20
moment<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn20"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>21</FONT></SUP></A>, then raise his hands<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn21"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>22</FONT></SUP></A> in the way described earlier under the =
"Opening=20
Takbeer", say takbeer<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn22"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>23</FONT></SUP></A>, and make rukoo'.<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn23"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>24</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He also ordered "the one who prayed badly" likewise, saying to him,=20
<B>Indeed, the prayer of one of you is not complete until he makes an =
excellent=20
ablution as Allaah has commanded him to ... then he celebrates Allaah's=20
greatness, praises and glorifies Him, then recites the Qur'aan as much =
as is=20
easy for him from what Allaah has taught him and allowed him, then says =
takbeer=20
and makes rukoo' [and places his hands on his knees] until his joints =
are at=20
ease and relaxed</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn24"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>25</FONT></SUP></A><B></B> <BR><BR></P><BR>
<CENTER>
<H2><A name=3DRTFToC2>The Rukoo' Described </A></H2></CENTER>"He =
(sallallaahu=20
'alaihi wa sallam) would place his palms on his knees"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn25"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>26</FONT></SUP></A>, and "would order them to do likewise"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn26"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>27</FONT></SUP></A>, as he ordered "the one who prayed badly" =
in the=20
afore-mentioned hadeeth.=20
<P>"He would put his hands firmly on his knees [as though he were =
grasping=20
them]"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn27"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>28</FONT></SUP></A>, and "would space his fingers out"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn28"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>29</FONT></SUP></A>, ordering "the one who prayed badly" =
likewise,=20
saying: <B>When you make rukoo', place your palms on your knees, then =
space your=20
fingers out, then remain (like that) until every limb takes its (proper) =
place.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn29"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>30</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>"He used to spread himself (i.e., not be in a compact position), and =
keep his=20
elbows away from his sides."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn30"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>31</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>"When he made rukoo', he would spread his back and make it level"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn31"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>32</FONT></SUP></A>, "such that if water were poured on it, it =
(the=20
water) would stay there (i.e., not run off)."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn32"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>33</FONT></SUP></A> He also said to "the one who prayed =
badly", <B>When=20
you make rukoo', put your palms on your knees, spread your back (flat) =
and hold=20
firm in your rukoo'.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn33"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>34</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>"He would neither let his head droop nor raise it (i.e. higher than =
his=20
back)"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn34"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>35</FONT></SUP></A>, but it would be in between.<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn35"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>36</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR></P><BR>
<CENTER>
<H2><A name=3DRTFToC3>The Obligation of Being at Ease in Rukoo'=20
</A></H2></CENTER>He used to be at ease in his rukoo', and ordered "the =
one who=20
prayed badly" to be so, as has been mentioned in the first section on =
rukoo'.=20
<P>He used to say, <B>Complete the rukoo' and sujood, for by Him in =
whose Hand=20
is my soul, I surely see you behind my back</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn36"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>37</FONT></SUP></A><B> when you make rukoo' and sujood.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn37"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>38</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>"He saw a man praying not completing his rukoo' properly, and pecking =
in his=20
sujood, so he said, <B>Were this man to die in this state, he would die =
on a=20
faith other than that of Muhammad, [pecking in his prayer as a crow =
pecks at=20
blood; he who does not make rukoo' completely and pecks in his sujood is =
like=20
the hungry person who eats one or two dates, which are of no use to him =
at=20
all.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn38"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>39</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Abu Hurairah (radi Allaahu 'anhu) said, "My close friend (sallallaahu =
'alaihi=20
wa sallam) forbade me from pecking in my prayer like a cockerel, from =
looking=20
around like a fox, and from squatting like a monkey."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn39"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>40</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) also used to =
say,=20
<B>The worst thief among men is the one who steals from his prayer. =
</B>They=20
said, "O Messenger of Allaah, how does he steal from his prayer?" He =
said, <B>He=20
does not complete its rukoo' and sujood.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn40"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>41</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Once, "he was praying, when he glanced out of the corner of his eye =
at a man=20
not settling his backbone in rukoo' and sujood. When he finished, he =
said, <B>O=20
assembly of Muslims! Verily, the prayer is not valid of the one who does =
not=20
settle his spine in rukoo' and sujood.</B>"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn41"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>42</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He said in another hadeeth, <B>The prayer of a man does not count =
unless he=20
straightens his back in rukoo' and sujood.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn42"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>43</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR></P><BR>
<CENTER>
<H2><A name=3DRTFToC4>The Adhkaar of Rukoo' </A></H2></CENTER>He would =
say=20
different types of remembrance of Allaah and supplication, any one of =
the=20
following at a time:=20
<OL>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/441.gif"></CENTER> &nbs=
p;  =
; =
&=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; =20
(<STRONG>Subhaana Rabbial adheem)<BR>How Perfect is my Lord, the =
Supreme!,=20
</STRONG>three times.<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn43"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>44</FONT></SUP></A> But sometimes, he would repeat it more =
than=20
that.<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn44"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>45</FONT></SUP></A> Once, in night prayer, he repeated it so =
much that=20
his rukoo' became nearly as long as his standing before it, in which =
he had=20
recited three of the Long Soorahs: Baqarah, Nisaa' and aal- 'Imraan. =
This=20
prayer was full of supplication & seeking forgiveness, and the =
hadeeth has=20
already been mentioned under "Recitation in Night Prayer."<BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/451.gif"></CENTER> &nbs=
p;  =
; =
&=
nbsp; =20
<STRONG>Subhaana Rabbial adheem wa bihamdih<BR>How Perfect is my Lord, =
the=20
Supreme, and Praised be He,</STRONG> three times.<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn45"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>46</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/452.gif"></CENTER> &nbs=
p;  =
; =
&=
nbsp; <STRONG>Subbuh=20
Qudduus Rabbul Malaikati Wa Ruh<BR>Perfect, Blessed,</STRONG><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn46"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>47</FONT></SUP></A><B> Lord of the Angels and the =
Spirit.</B><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn47"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>48</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/453.gif"></CENTER> &nbs=
p;  =
; =
=20
<STRONG>Subhaanaka Allahumma wa bihamdika Allahummaghfirlee<BR>How =
Perfect You=20
are O Allaah, and Praises are for You. O Allaah, forgive me.</STRONG> =
He would=20
say it often in his rukoo' and sujood, implementing (the order of) the =
Qur'aan.<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn48"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>49</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/454.gif"></CENTER><STRONG>Allahumm=
a laka=20
raka'atu wa bika amantu wa laka aslamtu anta Rabbee khasa'a laka =
sam'ee wa=20
basaree wa mukhee wa adhmee (wa edhaamee) wa 'asabee (wa maastaqallat =
bihi=20
qadamee lillaahee rabbil aalameen)<BR>O Allaah! To You I have bowed; =
in You I=20
have believed; to You I have submitted; [You are my Lord]; humbled for =
You are=20
my hearing, my seeing, my marrow, my bone</STRONG> (in one narration: =
my=20
bones)<B>, my sinews, [and whatever my feet carry</B><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn49"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>50</FONT></SUP></A><B> (are humbled) for Allaah, Lord of the =
Worlds].</B><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn50"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>51</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/461.gif"></CENTER><STRONG>Allahumm=
a lakal=20
raka'tu wa bika aamantu wa laka aslamtu wa alaika tawakkaltu anta =
rabbee=20
khasha'a sam'ee wa basaree wa dammee wa lahmee wa adhamee wa 'asabee =
lillaahi=20
rabbil aalameen<BR>O Allaah! to You I have bowed; in You I have =
believed; to=20
You I have submitted; in You I have placed my trust; You are my Lord; =
my=20
hearing, my seeing, my blood, my flesh, my bones, and my sinews are =
humbled=20
for Allaah, Lord of the Worlds.</STRONG><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn51"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>52</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/462.gif"></CENTER><STRONG>Subhaana=
dheel=20
jabaruti walmalakuuti wal kibriyaa e waladhamah<BR>How Perfect is He =
Who has=20
all Power, Kingdom, Magnificence and Supremity, </STRONG>which he used =
to say=20
in night prayer.<BR></LI></OL><BR><BR><BR>
<CENTER>
<H2><A name=3DRTFToC5>Lengthening the Rukoo' </A></H2></CENTER>"He =
(sallallaahu=20
'alaihi wa sallam) used to make his rukoo', his standing after rukoo', =
his=20
sujood, and his sitting in between the two sajdahs, nearly equal in =
length."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn52"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>53</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR><BR>
<CENTER>
<H2><A name=3DRTFToC6>Forbiddance of Reciting the Qur'aan in Rukoo'=20
</A></H2></CENTER>"He used to forbid recitation of the Qur'aan in rukoo' =
and=20
sujood."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn53"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>54</FONT></SUP></A> Further, he used to say, <B>Verily, I have =
indeed=20
been forbidden from reciting the Qur'aan in rukoo' or sujood. In the =
rukoo',=20
therefore, glorify the Supremity of the Lord, Mighty and Sublime, in it; =
as for=20
the sujood, exert yourselves in supplication in it, for it is most =
likely that=20
you will be answered.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn54"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>55</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR><BR>
<CENTER>
<H2><A name=3DRTFToC7>Straightening up from the Rukoo', & what is to =
be said=20
then </A></H2></CENTER>Next, "he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would=20
straighten up his back out of rukoo', saying,=20
<P>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop =
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/471.gif"></CENTER>
<CENTER><STRONG>Sami'allahu liman hamidah</STRONG></CENTER>
<P> &nbs=
p;  =
; =
&=
nbsp; =20
(<B>Allaah listens to the one who praises Him</B>).<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn55"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>56</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He also ordered "the one who prayed badly" to do that, when he said =
to him:=20
No person's prayer is complete until ... he has said takbeer ... then =
made=20
rukoo' ... then has said "Allaah listens to the one who praises Him" =
until he is=20
standing straight."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn56"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>57</FONT></SUP></A> When he raised his head, he would stand =
straight=20
until every vertebra returned to its place.<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn57"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>58</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Next, "he would say while standing:=20
<P>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop =
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/472.gif"></CENTER>
<CENTER>Rabbana walakalhamd</CENTER>
<P> &nbs=
p;  =
; =
&=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; =20
(<B>Our Lord, [and] to You be all Praise</B>).<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn58"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>59</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He has commanded all worshippers, whether behind an imaam or not, to =
do the=20
above on rising from rukoo', by saying <B>Pray as you have seen me=20
praying.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn59"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>60</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He also used to say, <B>The imaam is there to be followed ... when he =
has=20
said 'Allaah listens to the one who praises Him' then say, '[O Allaah!] =
Our=20
Lord, and to You be all Praise'; Allaah will listen to you, for indeed, =
Allaah,=20
Blessed and Exalted, has said via the tongue of His Prophet (sallallaahu =
'alaihi=20
wa sallam): Allaah listens to the one who praises Him.'</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn60"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>61</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He also gave a reason for this command in another hadeeth, saying: =
<B>for he=20
whose saying coincides with that of the angels will have his past sins=20
forgiven.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn61"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>62</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He used to raise his hands when straightening up<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn62"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>63</FONT></SUP></A>, in the ways described under the Opening =
Takbeer.=20
<P>While standing, he would say, as previously-mentioned,<BR>
<OL>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/481.gif"></CENTER> &nbs=
p;  =
; =
&=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; &nb=
sp;=20
<STRONG>Rabbana wa lakal=20
=
hamd<BR>  =
; =
&=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; =20
Our Lord, and to You be all Praise</STRONG><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn63"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>64</FONT></SUP></A>; or<BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/482.gif"></CENTER><STRONG> &n=
bsp; &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p;  =
; =
&=
nbsp; =20
Rabbana=20
=
lakalhamd<BR> =
&=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p; =20
Our Lord, to You be all Praise.</STRONG><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn64"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>65</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>Sometimes, he would add at the =
beginning of=20
either of these:<BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/483.gif"></CENTER><STRONG> &n=
bsp; &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p;  =
; =
&=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; =20
=
Allahumma<BR> =
&=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p;  =
; =20
O Allaah! ...</STRONG><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn65"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>66</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>He used to order others to do =
this, saying,=20
"When the imaam says: <B>Allaah listens to the one who praises =
Him,</B> then=20
say: <B>O Allaah! Our Lord, to You be all Praise,</B> for he whose =
saying=20
coincides with that of the angels will have his past sins forgiven."<A =
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn66"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>67</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>Sometimes, he would add =
either:<BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/491.gif"></CENTER><STRONG>Mil =
assamawaati=20
wamil a al-ardhi wamil a maashi i ta minshay in ba'd<BR>... Filling =
the=20
heavens, filling the earth, and filling whatever else You =
wish</STRONG><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn67"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>68</FONT></SUP></A>, or<BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/492.gif"></CENTER><STRONG> &n=
bsp; =20
Mil assamawati wamil a al-ardhi wa maa baynahumaa wa mil a ma shita =
min shay=20
in ba'd<BR>... Filling the heavens, [filling] the earth, whatever is =
between=20
them, and filling whatever else You wish.</STRONG><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn68"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>69</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>Sometimes, he would add even=20
further:<BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/493.gif"></CENTER><STRONG>Ahlthana=
i=20
walmajd laa mani'a lima a'thayta wa laa mu'tiya lima mana'ta wa =
layanfa'u dhal=20
jaddi minkal jaddi<BR>Lord of Glory & Majesty! None can withhold =
what You=20
grant, and none can grant what You withhold; nor can the possessions =
of an=20
owner benefit him in front of You.</STRONG><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn69"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>70</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>Or, sometimes, the addition would =
be:<BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/494.gif"></CENTER><STRONG>Mil'a =
sama wati=20
wa mil a al-ardhi wa ma baynahuma wa mil a ma shi'ta min shay in ba'd =
ahla=20
thana i wal majd ahaqqu ma qaala al abdu wa kullunaa laka 'abdu, =
Allahumma la=20
mani'a lima a'thaita wa la mu'thiya lima mana'ta wa la yanfa'u dhal =
jadd=20
minkal jadd.<BR>Filling the heavens, filling the earth, and filling =
whatever=20
else You wish. Lord of Glory and Majesty! - The truest thing a slave =
has said,=20
and we are all slaves to You. [O Allaah!] None can withhold what You =
grant,=20
[and none can grant what You withhold,] nor can the possessions of an =
owner=20
benefit him in front of You.</STRONG><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn70"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>71</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>Sometimes, he would say the =
following=20
during night prayer:<BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/501.gif"></CENTER> &nbs=
p;  =
; =
&=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; =20
<STRONG>Li rabbiyal hamdu li rabbi yalhamdu<BR>To my Lord be all =
Praise, to my=20
Lord be all Praise</STRONG>, repeating it until his standing was about =
as long=20
as his rukoo', which had been nearly as long as his first standing, in =
which=20
he had recited soorah al-Baqarah.<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn71"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>72</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/502.gif"></CENTER><STRONG>Rabbana =
wa=20
lakal hamdu hamdan katheeran thayyiban mubarakan fihi (mubarakan =
'alayhi kama=20
yuhibbu rabbuna wa yardha<BR>Our Lord, and to You be all Praise, so =
much pure=20
praise, inherently blessed, [externally blessed, as our Lord loves and =
is=20
pleased with].</STRONG><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn72"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>73</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>A man praying behind him =
(sallallaahu=20
'alaihi wa sallam) said this after he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) =
had=20
raised his head from rukoo' and said: <B>Allaah listens to the one who =
praises=20
Him.</B> When the Messenger of Allaah had finished his prayer, he =
said, <B>Who=20
was the one speaking just now?</B> The man said, "It was I, O =
Messenger of=20
Allaah." So the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) =
said, <B>I=20
saw over thirty angels hurrying to be the first one to write it =
down.</B><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/10_fn.html#fn73"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>74</FONT></SUP></A><BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman">Allahumma=20
salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.<BR>Modou=20
Mbye</FONT></LI></OL></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:36:47 -0800
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Subject: HISTORY AS 'MWALIMU' (fwd)
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POST EXPRESS
Category: Editorial
Date of Article: 11/12/99
Topic: History As 'Mwalimu'
Author: John Ofei
Full Text of Article:
THANKS to Dr. Bala Usman and Dr. Walter Rodney that the subject, History is
much more than the way it was defined to me in my elementary and secondary
school days as "a record of past events." This definition smacks of dead-end
agenda that it did not grab me as a course that one may want to pursue at a
higher level of education. The books, "For the Liberation of Nigeria" and
"How Europe Underdeveloped Africa" by Bala Usman and Walter Rodney
respectively changed all that. History gives the reasons why certain events
took place, why some are currently happening in the future - all things
being equal. What comes out poignantly in this is that History is a teacher
and we have a great deal to learn from it. The only mistake we make is that
we tend to learn from past mistakes too late. History has it that Methuselah
was the oldest man - so far- on earth. But History - to be precise, the Holy
Bible - is silent or is not explicit enough on his other useful achievements
while he tarried on earth. The same Bible confirmed Jesus' short but, so
far, the most eventful mission on earth that any being has ever dreamt of.
The late Thomas Sankara of Burkina Faso is our focus here. Immediately he
assumed leadership of that country, he publicly declared his assets:
everybody, even kids knew what he had and what he did not have. We all knew
that his official car was a rickety and an out-of-date Renault car. Even in
death, history told us that he was and he is still one of the greatest
leaders ever produced in Africa. And what of the real Mwalimu? The late
Julius Nyerere lived as an ordinary man and retired from the country's
presidency in 1985 a "homeless" president. His wife and children were like
every other Tanzanian who went to public schools and patronised public
hospitals. There was no office of the "First Daughter of the Federation" and
the wife's "Family Support Programme" and "Family Economic Advancement
Programme" (if there were any- were not as corrupt as Nigeria. Both in
retirement and in death, Nyerere's life, times and virtues are a teacher
unto those who care to listen and borrow a leaf.
In Nigeria, we seem to be moving in circles. In 1992, probably, for the sake
of accomplishing an aim, Arthur Nzeribe, now a Senator, founded the infamous
Association of Better Nigerians, ABN. The aim of its founding fathers was to
scuttle the presidential elections of June 12, 1993 and to ensure the
continuity of military and, perhaps, ensure that the de-facto leader of the
association became the country's prime minister. Nzeribe told us then that
he had secured the signature of millions of Nigerians who wanted the
military president, Ibrahim Babangida to continue in office for as long as
he could. In the history of our nation, we were witnesses to how a court
injunction was secured in the dead of the night for the elections not to
hold. We were witnesses to how successive court injunction to invalidate the
Abuja Court's order and de-annul the presidential elections were flouted at
will. In fact, we still remember how that "evil genius" hastily stepped
aside and how he sagaciously enthroned Earnest Shonekan as Nigeria's Interim
Leader with the original leader wearing the garment of a chief of Defence
Staff.
Then enter the Sani Abacha years. We still remember how he assumed
leadership in the wake of confusion, arson and mayhem that accompanied the
annulment of June 12, 1993 presidential elections. Sani Abacha capitalised
on the confusion that had enveloped the country to unleash a reign of terror
on Nigeria and Nigerians and turned the country into a family affair. Those
who were for him had their say and their way while those who were against
him were either hounded in prisons, driven into exile or murdered. We all
were witnesses to how Abacha suddenly died on June 8, 1998 and the
subsequent dilemma of a once-powerful family and the endless pleas of a
matriarch. The Abacha years brutalised Nigerians but they were made
stronger. Of mention is the Catholic Church and Human Rights Groups. They
all fought in unison and brought the regime to its toes. They brought the
atrocities committed by the Abacha people to the knowledge of the
International Community and the fear of human rights groups was the
beginning of wisdom for Abacha and his cronies.
We were witnesses to how Sankara took the bull by the horn by first
declaring his assets publicly but our own present government has not shown
us how Nigeria's charity would begin at home. We knew how the late Nyerere
and his family lived like ordinary Tanzanians but in Nigeria, the wife of a
commissioner enjoys the country's state-of-the-art hospitals and a mere
headache is something that must be treated abroad. Everyday, we hear of one
good thing done by the late Mother Theresa to the extent that her
canonisation is years above the conventional time for sainthood. We heard of
the late Princess Diana's feat in Angola but here, our women are always in
support of anything that goes as if kitchening was the official - and the
unofficial - duty betrothed to them by God. So far, the only outfit that is
rising to the occasion of change and constructive ciriticism is the human
rights groups, hence, the reason why Gani Fawehinmi, Beko, Ransome-Kuti and
Femi Falana, though human rights activists and Yorubas, still differ on
principle yet are still together in the(ir) fight against oppression.
Democracy in action par excellence.
It is so frustrating and demoralising that our successive leader have turned
this country to their personal property solely built for them to perpetrate
and perpetuate absurdity and tyranny. Of course, they are content with the
absence of ideological goals and delight in satisfying the ruled with
suffocation instead of the required satisfaction, brickbats instead of the
deserved solidarity and scarcity, instead of the needed surplus. Isn't it a
strange thing that an individual - a patriotic(?) Nigerian - owns over fifty
houses even as majority of Nigerians are starving with some driven out of
their rented apartments for their inability to pay house rents. Thank God
that the former chairman of Shehu Shagari's Task Force on Rice is still
alive to witness millions of Nigerians as they search the dustbins
tirelessly for what to eat. In the Nigeria of nowadays, there is surplus of
corruption; there is surplus of poverty; there is surplus of assassinations
and other hated vices. The rich does not want the poor to exist and the poor
have not the wherewithal to "Andrew Out."
When other people of commitment, concession and peace are intensifying their
efforts in favour of peace, co-operation, oneness and mutual understanding
and when other people are putting their efforts at consolidating the
institution of governance and re-integrating the variety of ethnic groups
and cultures present on their soil with the hope of bequeathing to future
generations a habitable land, some protagonists of deceit are busy toying
with the fate of over 100 million Nigerians and the future of their children
through their selfish acts that are unworthy of the federated Nigeria in the
ambience of the global civilisation and development. Nigeria has been
inhabited by greedy people who delight in violating the general norms of
decent human behaviour by using political office as an unfettered channel to
defraud the already wobbling economy. To them, it is their duty to deprive
the already-embittered but voiceless and powerless people of not only
inalienable rights but also their assets. Our dear nation is sadly a haven
for non-proficient professionals-those who, rather than being professional
in their duties, have chosen the ignominious, disgraceful and degrading path
of personal integrity and sacrifice of self-respect. The grand diversionary
tactics of Zamfara State's governor and the sharia is an exercise in
futility because the vast majority of Zamfarans are crying for food, shelter
and health-care, nothing else.
We have heard enough from our leaders who told us lies but hid the bitter
truth under the tongue. Till date, President Obasanjo's anti-corruption bill
has not received the senators' blessings and neither have they thought of
amending or expunging those aspects that offend their conscience nor taken
any bolder or broader steps towards combating the crime called corruption.
Thomas Stearns Elliot once asserted that "History has many cunny passages
contrived corridors and issues." According to him, it "deceives with
whimpering ambition" and "guides us by vanities." Certainly, if those men of
yesteryears had ever thought that today would, one day, come and if they had
assisted those they met on their way up the ladder of life, this country
would never have remained the same. Similarly, if our powerful men of today
will ever sit down and think f a tomorrow that will one day be here with us,
the world will surely move forward and future historians will surely have
positive tales to tell for there is no better judge than history which in
itself is "Mwalimu." "Philosophers have only interpreted the world, the task
is to change it."
Rv. Fr. Ofei is of the Catholic Secretariat, Lagos.
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Hello Laye,
Thank you once more for your constructive proposals in trying to move our (
Gambian people)agenda forward. I think the proposals are at the core of
what we as a nation need in order to make any meaningful progress in our
national development in the next century. I do not think these proposals
are partisan. They are basic human rights which are necessary for any
nation to optimize its developmental goals, whatever those may be. I am
sure most well meaning Gambians will see these proposals as corner stones
for the way forward.
I therefore plead with all of you my compatriots to approach these proposals
with an open mind, and give them your support in all its forms in order to
help bring about the stated goals in our country.
However, one question remains and that is; how do we approach the
reconciliation process? Here are a few suggestions.
(1) We will need a coordinating committee which, should include
members from all factions (opposition, government supporters and those
who are neutral) probably to be headed by Dr. Saine.
(2) We need to galvanize as broad a spectrum as possible of our
people both abroad and at home. This will give the necessary
critical mass to push the reforms we are advocating for in The
Gambia.
(3) We need to assure the present government of our good
intentions and that there are no hidden agenda for us. This should
be easy because the committee that will be dealing with the
government will include supporters of the government. We also should
treat all the parties to the dialogue befitting their status.
Thanks Laye.
Bakary J Sonko.
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From: Abdoulaye Saine [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:10 PM
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Subject: It is Time to Heal Self and Nation
G-L Community:
I have been greatly enriched by my association with the Bantaba and over
the year that I have been a member, I have been impressed by the
diversity of views expressed. Yet, I am also saddened by the pain that
seem to be at the core of our constant criticisms against Jammeh and
Jawara. Clearly, the coup in 1994 and its aftermath have had and
continue to have a traumatizing effect on all Gambians. The criticisms
leveled against Jammeh and his Government and for that matter Jawara's
by well meaning people, reflect the hurt and trauma I spoke of earlier.
Both Jawara and Jammeh have made mistakes. It has been pointed out by
many that Sir Dawda made many mistakes during his thirty year rule. And
needless to say Jammeh has also had his share of mistakes. It is time to
move the debate beyond blame and recrimination and propose concrete
remedies to both the political impasse/stalemate on Gambia-L and in the
country of our birth, Gambia. The reality is Jammeh is President and
Jawara is not. Both Jammeh and Jawara are not perfect.
And it appears that the overwhelming sentiment on the L and Gambia,
though expressed differently, lead ultimately toward improving the lives
of Gambians. This ought to be the theme that unifies us as a people.
This unity of purpose does not mean necessarily that we would all agree
on an issue, but it should guide us as we pursue a common vision for
Gambia with other Gambians.
What can we do as a community of Gambians and people interested in
Gambia to influence and shape in a decisive and positive way political
events unfolding in Gambia? How can we begin to engage President Jammeh
and his Government and influence him in the direction we desire and
toward that vision? What compromises is Jammeh willing to make? What
concessions must we make?
It seems that the L and the political situation at home are populated by
some individuals who speak at and alienate each other. We need to get
to the next level, I suggest, by proposing solutions to Gambia's current
political crisis. The criticism leveled against Jawara and Jammeh during
their recent visits to the U.S., have had an effect, admitted by them or
not.
Let us turn to a new page!
From the discussion over the last year certain key concerns we appear to
share are summarized below. These include:
a)A Gambia where individuals can pursue a livelihood in dignity while
enjoying basic freedoms and to vote in a government of their choice
unrestrained by the state or its authorities;
b)A political atmosphere were fear of retribution is not a constraint to
the expression of one's beliefs, either in print or verbally; and
c)Political participation as a right that all Gambians are entitled.
If my reading of the Bantaba and the crisis at home are accurate, we
must begin to work with President Jammeh, his Government and the Gambian
People to resolve these issues. And as the Presidential and National
Assembly elections are fast approaching, it is imperative that the
political system be opened up.
I propose that at minimum, all political parties and politicians that
were banned shortly before the 1996 elections, be unbanned and let the
Gambian people decide who rules them.
The latter it appears to me and many more on the Bantaba, is a way to
realizing this vision for Gambia and Gambians. To me, this is beyond
partisan politics. It is life of a people and of future generations.
This could be our challenge to President Jammeh and his government.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Abdoulaye Saine
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Hi Dr Saine,
I am sure there is not a single soul on this list or anywhere else for that
matter who
will like to differ on this very honourable proposal of yours.
There is one very fundamental question though, that am sure has been nagging me,
and possibly most of you on the list. This my dear brothers and sisters, is how
and what Jammeh and his outfit will feel about this proposition.
It's true that the time definitely is nigh for nation building and healing, but
how do we go about it if the government of the day will not accommodate it (am
not saying that is the case, just assuming it is). What then do we do?
There have been a great number of comparisons between the present day government
and the Jawara regime, but the one very clear fact is that this present day
regime is run by the military. No one needs a psychology degree to understand
how the minds of soldiers-turned-government work. They are jumpy, trigger-happy,
and very insecure.
One might be surprised why this is the case. The answer is very simple, they got
in by the gun, and if they succeeded in doing so, who says another group of
soldiers will not try to in turn overthrow them, after all they can see the
ill-gotten wealth amassed by their peers in government.
There is a clear hint of this in Mr Jallow's postings with regards to Korro's
death and the general feeling of insecurity that was plaguing Jammeh and his top
guys. True or not, it still makes a very chilling and terrifying reading. For
Gambians to go to that level of moral decadence is truly appalling.
There is unfortunately a number of examples of these regimes all over our
continent. "Soldiers are people too" someone told me the other day, sure they
are, but they are people with guns and often that power of the gun overrules
their common sense.
I have no personal experience of military governments myself, but the fact
remains the same, whether it's in The Gambia, or anywhere else, these regimes
will go to any length to stay in power. We have all seen the brutality in
Nigeria to name just a few. Please am apologizing in advance if I offend anyone
by this statement, it's only my personal view!!
Personally, soldiers should not govern, they are soldiers and so they should
remain. There is no justification for it. The situation in The Gambia, might
have been really bad under the Jawara regime (personally am too young and too
unknowledgeable to say much about this facet of our political history), but the
fact remains that things have not changed for any better for The Gambian people,
rather one can say without hesitation that the very opposite is the case.
Am sure we've all read the the horror story in the Observer of financial
mismanagement of Gambian Bureaux abroad, and also the local councils back home.
One then asks oneself, "if these guys justified their coup on the basis of
financial mismanagement of The former government, why are these social ills
still rampant?"
I think they should stop and take stock of themselves. The only honourable thing
to for them to do now is to call for a fair, transparent, general election, for
they have failed The Gambia people miserably. They have no excuse, they should
just resign.
More schools may have been built, and even a university, and I will be the first
to commend them, but no government should try to rule their people by
sub-ordination and threats of brutality.
I will like to know if there is any way of recovering the $2 million Mr Jallow
talks about as if it's a small change. If there are any of us on this list who
are legally versed maybe it's about time we try doing something about recovering
these money from everyone involved, from Jammeh to the lowest ranked civil
servant.
I do not know if this is possible, for I do not know how or if there is any
international law on these types of pillage.
I do not know, and have never even heard of this Mr Jallow, but I was shocked
and horrified at the way the guy talks about $2 million as if it's a couple of
pence.
There should be an insurrection to these shameful acts, not by violence but by
challenging the government legally.
As we have come this far we should go all the way. Let's start nominating people
to meet Jammeh and his government. This is incumbent on us all, cause whether we
are born in the West, of Gambian parents as am sure some of us are, or whether
we are here for education or have migrated here, the truth remains that The
Gambia is our home.
I once again reiterate my apologies in advance, if anyone is offended by this am
terribly sorry. I honestly do not tend it to be so. It's only my humble personal
opinion.
Peace to us all.
>
>
> Hello Laye,
>
> Thank you once more for your constructive proposals in trying to move our (
> Gambian people)agenda forward. I think the proposals are at the core of
> what we as a nation need in order to make any meaningful progress in our
> national development in the next century. I do not think these proposals
> are partisan. They are basic human rights which are necessary for any
> nation to optimize its developmental goals, whatever those may be. I am
> sure most well meaning Gambians will see these proposals as corner stones
> for the way forward.
>
> I therefore plead with all of you my compatriots to approach these proposals
> with an open mind, and give them your support in all its forms in order to
> help bring about the stated goals in our country.
>
> However, one question remains and that is; how do we approach the
> reconciliation process? Here are a few suggestions.
>
> (1) We will need a coordinating committee which, should include
> members from all factions (opposition, government supporters and those
> who are neutral) probably to be headed by Dr. Saine.
>
> (2) We need to galvanize as broad a spectrum as possible of our
> people both abroad and at home. This will give the necessary
> critical mass to push the reforms we are advocating for in The
> Gambia.
>
> (3) We need to assure the present government of our good
> intentions and that there are no hidden agenda for us. This should
> be easy because the committee that will be dealing with the
> government will include supporters of the government. We also should
> treat all the parties to the dialogue befitting their status.
>
> Thanks Laye.
>
> Bakary J Sonko.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abdoulaye Saine [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:10 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: It is Time to Heal Self and Nation
>
> G-L Community:
>
> I have been greatly enriched by my association with the Bantaba and over
> the year that I have been a member, I have been impressed by the
> diversity of views expressed. Yet, I am also saddened by the pain that
> seem to be at the core of our constant criticisms against Jammeh and
> Jawara. Clearly, the coup in 1994 and its aftermath have had and
> continue to have a traumatizing effect on all Gambians. The criticisms
> leveled against Jammeh and his Government and for that matter Jawara's
> by well meaning people, reflect the hurt and trauma I spoke of earlier.
> Both Jawara and Jammeh have made mistakes. It has been pointed out by
> many that Sir Dawda made many mistakes during his thirty year rule. And
> needless to say Jammeh has also had his share of mistakes. It is time to
> move the debate beyond blame and recrimination and propose concrete
> remedies to both the political impasse/stalemate on Gambia-L and in the
> country of our birth, Gambia. The reality is Jammeh is President and
> Jawara is not. Both Jammeh and Jawara are not perfect.
>
> And it appears that the overwhelming sentiment on the L and Gambia,
> though expressed differently, lead ultimately toward improving the lives
> of Gambians. This ought to be the theme that unifies us as a people.
> This unity of purpose does not mean necessarily that we would all agree
> on an issue, but it should guide us as we pursue a common vision for
> Gambia with other Gambians.
>
> What can we do as a community of Gambians and people interested in
> Gambia to influence and shape in a decisive and positive way political
> events unfolding in Gambia? How can we begin to engage President Jammeh
> and his Government and influence him in the direction we desire and
> toward that vision? What compromises is Jammeh willing to make? What
> concessions must we make?
>
> It seems that the L and the political situation at home are populated by
> some individuals who speak at and alienate each other. We need to get
> to the next level, I suggest, by proposing solutions to Gambia's current
> political crisis. The criticism leveled against Jawara and Jammeh during
> their recent visits to the U.S., have had an effect, admitted by them or
> not.
>
> Let us turn to a new page!
>
> >From the discussion over the last year certain key concerns we appear to
> share are summarized below. These include:
>
> a)A Gambia where individuals can pursue a livelihood in dignity while
> enjoying basic freedoms and to vote in a government of their choice
> unrestrained by the state or its authorities;
>
> b)A political atmosphere were fear of retribution is not a constraint to
> the expression of one's beliefs, either in print or verbally; and
>
> c)Political participation as a right that all Gambians are entitled.
>
> If my reading of the Bantaba and the crisis at home are accurate, we
> must begin to work with President Jammeh, his Government and the Gambian
> People to resolve these issues. And as the Presidential and National
> Assembly elections are fast approaching, it is imperative that the
> political system be opened up.
>
> I propose that at minimum, all political parties and politicians that
> were banned shortly before the 1996 elections, be unbanned and let the
> Gambian people decide who rules them.
>
> The latter it appears to me and many more on the Bantaba, is a way to
> realizing this vision for Gambia and Gambians. To me, this is beyond
> partisan politics. It is life of a people and of future generations.
> This could be our challenge to President Jammeh and his government.
> WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>
> Abdoulaye Saine
>
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<font face="Arial,Helvetica">Hi Dr Saine,</font>
<br><font face="Arial,Helvetica">I am sure there is not a single soul on
this list or anywhere else for that matter who</font>
<br><font face="Arial,Helvetica">will like to differ on this very honourable
proposal of yours.</font>
<br><font face="Arial,Helvetica">There is one very fundamental question
though, that am sure has been nagging me, and possibly most of you on the
list. This my dear brothers and sisters, is how and what Jammeh and his
outfit will feel about this proposition.</font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"></font>
<p><font face="Arial,Helvetica">It's true that the time definitely is nigh
for nation building and healing, but how do we go about it if the government
of the day will not accommodate it (am not saying that is the case, just
assuming it is). What then do we do?</font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"></font>
<p><font face="Arial,Helvetica">There have been a great number of comparisons
between the present day government and the Jawara regime, but the one very
clear fact is that this present day regime is run by the military. No one
needs a psychology degree to understand how the minds of soldiers-turned-government
work. They are jumpy, trigger-happy, and very insecure.</font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"></font>
<p><font face="Arial,Helvetica">One might be surprised why this is the
case. The answer is very simple, they got in by the gun, and if they
succeeded in doing so, who says another group of soldiers will not try
to in turn overthrow them, after all they can see the ill-gotten wealth
amassed by their peers in government.</font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"></font>
<p><font face="Arial,Helvetica">There is a clear hint of this in Mr Jallow's
postings with regards to Korro's death and the general feeling of insecurity
that was plaguing Jammeh and his top guys. True or not, it still makes
a very chilling and terrifying reading. For Gambians to go to that level
of moral decadence is truly appalling.</font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"></font>
<p><font face="Arial,Helvetica">There is unfortunately a number of examples
of these regimes all over our continent. "Soldiers are people too" someone
told me the other day, sure they are, but they are people with guns and
often that power of the gun overrules their common sense.</font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"></font>
<p><font face="Arial,Helvetica">I have no personal experience of military
governments myself, but the fact remains the same, whether it's in The
Gambia, or anywhere else, these regimes will go to any length to stay in
power. We have all seen the brutality in Nigeria to name just a few. Please
am apologizing in advance if I offend anyone by this statement, it's only
my personal view!!</font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"></font>
<p><font face="Arial,Helvetica">Personally, soldiers should not govern,
they are soldiers and so they should remain. There is no justification
for it. The situation in The Gambia, might have been really bad under the
Jawara regime (personally am too young and too unknowledgeable to say much
about this facet of our political history), but the fact remains that things
have not changed for any better for The Gambian people, rather one can
say without hesitation that the very opposite is the case.</font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"></font>
<p><font face="Arial,Helvetica">Am sure we've all read the the horror story
in the Observer of financial mismanagement of Gambian Bureaux abroad, and
also the local councils back home. One then asks oneself, "if these guys
justified their coup on the basis of financial mismanagement of The former
government, why are these social ills still rampant?"</font>
<br><font face="Arial,Helvetica">I think they should stop and take stock
of themselves. The only honourable thing to for them to do now is to call
for a fair, transparent, general election, for they have failed The Gambia
people miserably. They have no excuse, they should just resign.</font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"></font>
<p><font face="Arial,Helvetica">More schools may have been built, and even
a university, and I will be the first to commend them, but no government
should try to rule their people by sub-ordination and threats of brutality.</font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"></font>
<p><font face="Arial,Helvetica">I will like to know if there is any way
of recovering the $2 million Mr Jallow talks about as if it's a small change.
If there are any of us on this list who are legally versed maybe it's about
time we try doing something about recovering these money from everyone
involved, from Jammeh to the lowest ranked civil servant.</font>
<br><font face="Arial,Helvetica">I do not know if this is possible, for
I do not know how or if there is any international law on these types
of pillage.</font>
<br><font face="Arial,Helvetica">I do not know, and have never even heard
of this Mr Jallow, but I was shocked and horrified at the way the guy talks
about $2 million as if it's a couple of pence.</font>
<br><font face="Arial,Helvetica">There should be an insurrection to these
shameful acts, not by violence but by challenging the government legally.</font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"></font>
<p><font face="Arial,Helvetica">As we have come this far we should go all
the way. Let's start nominating people to meet Jammeh and his government.
This is incumbent on us all, cause whether we are born in the West, of
Gambian parents as am sure some of us are, or whether we are here for education
or have migrated here, the truth remains that The Gambia is our home.</font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"></font>
<p><font face="Arial,Helvetica">I once again reiterate my apologies in
advance, if anyone is offended by this am terribly sorry. I honestly do
not tend it to be so. It's only my humble personal opinion.</font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"></font>
<p><font face="Arial,Helvetica">Peace to us all.</font>
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<p>Hello Laye,
<p>Thank you once more for your constructive proposals in trying to move
our (
<br>Gambian people)agenda forward. I think the proposals are at the
core of
<br>what we as a nation need in order to make any meaningful progress in
our
<br>national development in the next century. I do not think these
proposals
<br>are partisan. They are basic human rights which are necessary
for any
<br>nation to optimize its developmental goals, whatever those may be.
I am
<br>sure most well meaning Gambians will see these proposals as corner
stones
<br>for the way forward.
<p>I therefore plead with all of you my compatriots to approach these proposals
<br>with an open mind, and give them your support in all its forms in order
to
<br>help bring about the stated goals in our country.
<p>However, one question remains and that is; how do we approach the
<br>reconciliation process? Here are a few suggestions.
<p>(1) We will need a coordinating committee which,
should include
<br>members from all factions (opposition,
government supporters and those
<br>who are neutral) probably to be headed by Dr.
Saine.
<p>(2) We need to galvanize as broad a spectrum
as possible of our
<br>people both abroad and at home.
This will give the necessary
<br>critical mass to push the
reforms we are advocating for in The
<br>Gambia.
<p>(3) We need to assure the present government
of our good
<br>intentions and that there are no hidden
agenda for us. This should
<br>be easy because the committee that will be
dealing with the
<br>government will include supporters of
the government. We also should
<br>treat all the parties to the dialogue befitting their status.
<p>Thanks Laye.
<p>Bakary J Sonko.
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<br>From: Abdoulaye Saine [<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]</a>]
<br>Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:10 PM
<br>To: [log in to unmask]
<br>Subject: It is Time to Heal Self and Nation
<p>G-L Community:
<p>I have been greatly enriched by my association with the Bantaba and
over
<br>the year that I have been a member, I have been impressed by the
<br>diversity of views expressed. Yet, I am also saddened by the pain that
<br>seem to be at the core of our constant criticisms against Jammeh and
<br>Jawara. Clearly, the coup in 1994 and its aftermath have had
and
<br>continue to have a traumatizing effect on all Gambians. The criticisms
<br>leveled against Jammeh and his Government and for that matter Jawara's
<br>by well meaning people, reflect the hurt and trauma I spoke of earlier.
<br>Both Jawara and Jammeh have made mistakes. It has been pointed
out by
<br>many that Sir Dawda made many mistakes during his thirty year rule.
And
<br>needless to say Jammeh has also had his share of mistakes. It is time
to
<br>move the debate beyond blame and recrimination and propose concrete
<br>remedies to both the political impasse/stalemate on Gambia-L and in
the
<br>country of our birth, Gambia. The reality is Jammeh is President and
<br>Jawara is not. Both Jammeh and Jawara are not perfect.
<p>And it appears that the overwhelming sentiment on the L and Gambia,
<br>though expressed differently, lead ultimately toward improving the
lives
<br>of Gambians. This ought to be the theme that unifies us as a
people.
<br>This unity of purpose does not mean necessarily that we would all agree
<br>on an issue, but it should guide us as we pursue a common vision for
<br>Gambia with other Gambians.
<p>What can we do as a community of Gambians and people interested in
<br>Gambia to influence and shape in a decisive and positive way political
<br>events unfolding in Gambia? How can we begin to engage President
Jammeh
<br>and his Government and influence him in the direction we desire and
<br>toward that vision? What compromises is Jammeh willing to make?
What
<br>concessions must we make?
<p>It seems that the L and the political situation at home are populated
by
<br>some individuals who speak at and alienate each other. We need
to get
<br>to the next level, I suggest, by proposing solutions to Gambia's current
<br>political crisis. The criticism leveled against Jawara and Jammeh during
<br>their recent visits to the U.S., have had an effect, admitted by them
or
<br>not.
<p>Let us turn to a new page!
<p>>From the discussion over the last year certain key concerns we appear
to
<br>share are summarized below. These include:
<p>a)A Gambia where individuals can pursue a livelihood in dignity while
<br>enjoying basic freedoms and to vote in a government of their choice
<br>unrestrained by the state or its authorities;
<p>b)A political atmosphere were fear of retribution is not a constraint
to
<br>the expression of one's beliefs, either in print or verbally; and
<p>c)Political participation as a right that all Gambians are entitled.
<p>If my reading of the Bantaba and the crisis at home are accurate, we
<br>must begin to work with President Jammeh, his Government and the Gambian
<br>People to resolve these issues. And as the Presidential and National
<br>Assembly elections are fast approaching, it is imperative that the
<br>political system be opened up.
<p>I propose that at minimum, all political parties and politicians that
<br>were banned shortly before the 1996 elections, be unbanned and let
the
<br>Gambian people decide who rules them.
<p>The latter it appears to me and many more on the Bantaba, is a way to
<br>realizing this vision for Gambia and Gambians. To me, this is beyond
<br>partisan politics. It is life of a people and of future generations.
<br>This could be our challenge to President Jammeh and his government.
<br>WHAT DO YOU THINK?
<p>Abdoulaye Saine
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Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji`uun
(To Allah we belong and to Him is our ultimate return.)
Allaahumma ajurnaa fi museebatinaa wakhluf lanaa khayran minhaa.
(We ask for recompense us for our affliction and replace it for us
with something better.)
My condolences to all the Kah family.
Alhagie Yunussa Kah was one of the branches of knowledge.
He was a good Muslim, and a good example for the Muslims.
The Forum is very interesting this days,cause Allah!(SWT) is
reminding us the reality of life.
Life without death has No meaning.
So let us focus in the Oneness of Allah! and add 1+1,and dont tell
me that the answer is two.
Let us look deeply inside ourselves and try to see whether the
answer will be two or one.
Allah(SWT) said:He is the First,the Inward,the Outward and the Last.
If we try to forget Allah! He will always remind us with some test.
See Suraah Al-Baqarah,verse 155-156:
155:And surely We shall try you with something of fear and hunger,
and loss of wealth and Lives and crops;but give glad tidings to the
steadfast.
156: Who say, when a misfortune striketh them:Lo!we are Allah`s
and Lo!unto Him we are returning.
My Dare Brother`s and Sister,let us try our level best to get lost in
the oneness of Allah! day and night,that`s the only way we could
know Him.
O Remover of anxiety and Undoer of sadness,O Compassionate in
this world and the next and Merciful in both; bless Muhammad and
his Aal and dispel our anxiety and remove our sadness.
O One - O Alone - O Eternal.O You who begetteth not and who art
not begotton, and there is none like unto You;preserve us and
remove our distress.
O Lord we beg You as one whose want has become intense whose
strength has diminished and whose Sins except You,
O possessor of Glory and Majesty.
With the name of Allah,besides whose mercy,we hope for
nothing;we fear nothing save His justice,and trust nothing but His
word,and do not cling but to His string.To You! do we beg for shelter,
O Lord of forgiveness and approbation,from the changes of time
and succession of grief,and from a life ended without preparation.
And to You do we beg for guidance in which there be reformation
and improvement. And You! alone do we pray for help in granting us
success and satisfaction. And You! do we request for the germent
of safety and the granting of peace and its permanence.
And we seek Your protection. O Lord,from the suggestion of Satan,
and with Your power guard ourself from the tyrannny of kings.
Therefore accept whatever be of our prayers and fast and let our
tomorrow and there after be better than our present hour and day;
and make us respected amongst our kindred and community;and
guard us in our waking and our sleep;for You God! the best
preserver,and You! the most Merciful.
Therefore,bless Muhammad,the best of Your servants,the preacher
of Your truth;and honour us with Your dignity which cannot be
deminished,and watch us with Your eye which does not sleep; and
finish our affair so as to make us independant of others and rely on
You! alone,and terminate our life in forgiveness.Verily,You are the
Forgiving,Merciful.
O Lord bless the Gambia with happyness and wealth,give us strong
faith and glading tiding and guide us from Satan.
O Lord we are askinkg You to give us peace in the Gambia and the
whole world.
O Lord! make our yesterday better than our today,and make our
today better than our tomorrow.
Clear us in Your presence of ascribing partners to You and
of infidelity and pray unto Your Sincerely to obtain Your answer and
render obedience to Your hoping for Your reward.....Ameen!!!!!
Allaahumasalli alaa Saidina Muhammadin wa allaa ali Muhammadin
(Maasalam.)
Samba Goddard
(Pulo)
> My condolences to all the people of Noumi and the Gambia.
> Alhagi Kah was indeed a renowned scholar.
> May Allah grant him Jannah.
> Habib Diab Ghanim, Sr
>
> Jabou Joh wrote:
>
> > May Allah reward him for his dedication to him and the deen, and may he (SWT)
> > reward him with a place in his Jannah. My condolences to the family and
> > extended family.
> >
> > Jabou Joh
> > >
> >
> > >INNA LILLAHI WA INNA ILAYHI RAAJI UUN
> > > The Halifa of Madina Bai Mass Kah Alhaji Yunussa Kah Passed away this
> > >morning.
> > >He will be buried at Madina . Alh Yunusa was a great religious scholar and
> > >The
> > >Gambia and indeed the whole of Africa has lost a great son who has
> > >contributed a
> > >great deal in the promotion of islam. Condolences to the entire family both
> > >at
> > >home and abroad. May his soul rest in perfect peace.
> > >
> > > > Chi Jamma . Bro. Sheikh Tejan Nyang
> > >
> > > >>
> > In a message dated 11/10/99 12:06:41 PM Central Standard Time,
> > [log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> > <<
> > My heartfelt condolences to the entire Kah family in the Gambia and Senegal
> > on this sad loss. May his soul rest in peace.
> >
> > Ebrima Ceesay,
> > Birmigham, UK.
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MS Press Secretary,
Well, I do not think Mr. Saidy is worried about you at all. All he is asking
you is to shed some light on a subject that is of immense public interest. I
vehemently believe that in your capacity as the Press Secretary/PRO at the
State House, your viewpoint on the matter in question will be of supreme
significance than that of Mr. Ebrima Ceesay's. So will you please get the
accurate details from President Jammeh and make them known to the public. Mr.
Ebou Jallow is either speaking or someone is speaking on his behalf. So we
need to hear from Mr. Jammeh about the missing millions of dollars.
We are looking forward to comments and reactions from the State House with
high anticipation.
Seedy.
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UDP leader, Ousainou Darboe, has said, "Jammeh and his entire cabinet sho=
uld
resign to pave the way for fresh elections to be conducted as soon as
possible."
Addressing a press conference yesterday, at the UDP bureau, Mr Darboe sai=
d,
"`Due to massive corruption and violation of fundamental human rights...=
the
APRC government should resign in the national interest."
He outlined that Gambians are now "fully aware" that the AFPRC/APRC which=
is
still struggling for full acceptance by the international community, cann=
ot =
addressed its development aspirations. He added that factors responsible=
for
this, range from policy failure, administrative ineptitude and ccorrupti=
on in
high places.
Darboe criticised government for the closure of Citizen FM radio and New
Citizen. He condemned SoS Yankuba Touray statement that the regime 'will=
never be defeated through the ballot box', thus violating the election de=
cree.
"People may question the credibility of the IEC whether they are not
hand-in-glove with the regime if Yankuba Touray can predict the outcome o=
f the
next general elections."
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Gambia L,
As I stated in a previous posting to the L, I am not holding a brief for Mr
Jammeh on this matter.
However, for the sake of a healthy debate, I'll react to the points/concerns
raised by brothers Musa Jeng and Saiks Samateh.
But before giving my reaction, I must say that for me it is very encouraging
to observe that the Gambian mind has now become more fact-finding, more
cross-questioning and more empirical.
Gambians are now, more than before, asking very relevant questions,
listening more attentively, and dissecting issues more carefully, in order
to be in a better position to discern the truth from the sham.
It is also refreshing to observe on the L, nowadays, that despite our
differences in thoughts and beliefs, we are now beginning to debate in a
more healthy manner. That's very reassuring, and we certainly need to
maintain the habit.
Henceforth, let us try and listen to each other's views, even if one does
not subscribe to such views. Tolerating your opponent's views, if I may put
that way, does no harm to you, of course, provided that such views are
expressed respectfully.
In fact, I am reminded, at this point, of what the celebrated African
American scholar, William E.B Du Bois, said in one his numerous speeches.
To paraphrase it, he said that in order to get to the facts, it was
necessary that we listened to not only what we believed, but also what we
did not believe.
Now, let me try and respond to the issues raised by Saiks and Mr Jeng.
In my piece titled, "Some useful comments/observations", I had made the
following statement: "That the fundamental question to be asked now, in my
view, is whether a badly flawed transition was preferable to a continuation
of undiluted military rule."
I had concluded as follows: "That in my view, and in the view of many
observers of the Gambia's political scene, in spite of all its
imperfections, the change did mark a limited movement away from military
dictatorship and toward a kind of 'liberalised authoritarianism'."
Now, Mr Jeng wanted me "to revisit the thought process behind the phrase."
Semantic aside, he also asked me whether the people are better of with one
or the other. Lastly, he asked me whether both "could lead to the same
political doldrums and socio-economic backwardness."
First of all, let me say that phrases/terms such as pure authoritarianism,
liberalised authoritarianism etc are used in Comparative Politics.
There is more to these terms, but to simplify them, I would say pure
authoritarianism, as the name implies, is absolute dictatorship and
liberalised authoritarianism is still a dictatorship, but where people can
make limited criticism.
Mr Jeng, in my view, both liberalised authoritarianism and total
dictatorship are all cruel systems which ought to be dismantled. No people
deserve either of the two, because both systems are repressive.
However, permit me to try and explain why I said that a badly flawed
transition in the Gambian situation, in my view, was preferable to a
continuation of undiluted military rule.
Here, I must tell Saiks that I didn't imply that there was a significant
difference between the Gambia during the transition period and now. I am
aware of the injustices, the corruption etc in our Nation. I know that our
Nation is still bleeding and only God knows what can save her.
But, in my view, there were certain barbaric acts, permissible when the
Gambia was under undiluted military rule, that cannot be permitted or
tolerated now.
I maintain that Jammeh's hands, as I stated before, are a little bit tied,
now that he is a so-called civilian leader. Yes, as Saiks rightly pointed
out, the opposition parties and the Gambian civil society are determined to
see to it that their fundamental rights and freedoms are not trampled upon.
But the transitional arrangements, as bad as they were, have provided the
basis on which the opposition parties and the Gambian civil society can now
challenge the "unlawful arrest, detention and torture" Saiks is talking
about.
Today, Lamin Waa Juwara, for instance, can criticise Jammeh, on a daily
basis, and Jammeh will think twice, perhaps even three times, before
ordering for the arrest of Waa Juwara, not because Jammeh is afraid of Waa
Juwara, but because there is a legal frame in place restricting Jammeh.
The new Constitution, as seriously flawed as it is, has restrained Mr Jammeh
a little bit. Saiks talked about the kidnapping of Shyngle Nyassi.
Now, if the Gambia was still under undiluted military rule, Shyngle will
never have been released, and there would not have been any basis on which
his illegal detention could have been challenged.
When the Gambia was under undiluted military rule, the junta had enacted a
Decree, nullifying writs of Habeas Corpus.
Habeas Corpus is a writ requiring a person under arrest, or imprisonment, to
be brought before a judge in a court of law, to investigate the legality of
his arrest and detention.
Now, during the transition period, when the Gambia was under undiluted
military, Lamin Waa Juwara was kidnapped by the regime, and detained for
over a year. Amnesty International, the Gambia's Development Partners, the
Gambian civil society had all urged Jammeh to release Waa Juwara, but to no
avail.
However, this time around when Shyngle Nyassi was kidnapped, the
transitional arrangements, as flawed as they were, provided the basis on
which Nyassi's kidnapping can be challenged in a court of law.
And when the Judge ordered the security forces to release him, they had to
do so, I am sure, against their desire, but they had no choice.
The transitional arrangements, as bad as they were, have also provided a
National Assembly, where critical discussions of public concerns can now
take place.
Yes, the Speaker of the House, Mustapha Wadda, is partisan and has, in fact,
used the powers of his office to block critical motions.
But in an effort to get around this obstacle, opposition MPs, especially the
MP of my constituency, Hamat Bah, having been making the most of the
adjournment debates that occur at the end of each assembly session, and
during which MPs may raise any issue they choose.
Here I must point out that while these debates do not allow the introduction
of new motions, or the questioning of Secretaries of State, they do,
notwithstanding, provide a public forum for the criticism of government's
policies and actions.
Hamat Bah has been using this platform very effectively.
From outside, it would be difficult to see any difference between the Gambia
then and now, but those of us who were on the ground during time when
decrees were being used to govern us would dare to say that a badly flawed
transition was preferable to a continuation of undiluted military rule!
Again, I'll not hesitate to repeat that, in my view, in spite of all its
imperfections, the change did mark a LIMITED movement away from absolute
dictatorship and toward a kind of a less harsher dictatorship, call it
liberalised authoritarianism or whatever.
One does not have to agree with me. In fact, why should he/she? But having
said that I know, for a fact, that my views are in line with present day
research on the Gambia.
In conclusion, I must say that some people are yet to realise how DELICATE
and volatile the transition period in the Gambia was.
Many people don't still know that during the transition period, the Gambia
could have easily become another Liberia, if we did not have people like
Halifa Sallah, who could always come up, at the right time, with appropriate
crisis management mechanisms, to diffuse a potential crisis.
The situation was also helped by the fact that Jammeh, in the end, did win
the election. At one point, the tension was so high and frightening,
especially the week before the presidential election, that I, for one, had
thought that an unrest was inevitable!
I remember a senior diplomat telling me and Mick Slatter, the BBC
correspondent who came to cover the presidential election, that for the sake
of the continued peace and stability of the Gambia, he wanted Jammeh to win
the election.
This particular diplomat never liked Jammeh, whether his person or his
policies, but having read the political situation in the Gambia at the time,
he said if he were to vote in the election, he would vote for Jammeh not
because he subscribed to his policies, but because Jammeh's victory would
ensure the continued peace and stability of the Gambia.
Yes, there is no dispute about the fact that the electoral process was
extremely flawed, and it gave Jammeh massive advantages. But despite the
unfairness of the electoral process, the opposition could have still won the
election if the voters were sure that electing the UPD, for example, would
not have caused an unrest in the country if you know what I mean.
The electoral process was seriously flawed, but I sincerely believe that the
actual counting of votes was free. People were fed with military rule, and
they definitely wanted a change.
In fact, I, for one, am certain that under normal circumstances, the
opposition would have won the presidential election, even regardless of the
fact the electoral process was badly flawed.
But many voters decided, when saw the kind of tension that was brewing in
the country, days before the presidential election, to vote for Jammeh for
the sake of the continued peace, stability and tranquility of the country.
Now, to understand the logic behind this change of heart by many voters who
intended to vote for the opposition, I must recall a significant statement
Darboe made during campaign period.
He had said that if he won the election, the junta would have to account for
their actions, during the transition period, despite the indemnity clauses
in the new Constitution. That statement frighten the Ruling Military
Council.
And after Darboe uttered that statement, it was very clear to me, especially
having listened to some of the remarks Captain Yankuba Touray was making,
that the junta would have never handed over power if Darboe won.
This was the period when Yankuba was announcing at rallies that Jammeh would
win whether the electorate voted for him or not.
What is clear is that many voters who did not want to see our country
engulfed in turmoil, decided, at the 11th hour, to vote for Jammeh because,
in their view, Jammeh's victory would guarantee the continued peace and
stability of the Gambia.
Mr Jeng, coming to your question on whether both liberalised
authoritarianism and total military dictatorship could lead to the same
political doldrums and socio-economic backwardness, I'll give you a very
strong YES answer. To be continued whenever time permits me.
And next time I write on this subject, I'll explain why Jammeh and Captain
Edward Singhateh, even though they may not necessarily be the best of
friends, are still working together very closely.
That's why I always laugh at reports that do surface, from time to time,
that Jammeh is about to sack or arrest Singhateh.
I remember a week or so before Captain Ebou Jallow defected to Washington
DC, he met me AFRA FM on Kairaba Avenue, he then was overseeing the Ministry
of External (Blaise Jagne was away), and he started lamenting about
Singhateh, especially his behaviour in the then ruling council meetings.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
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Malanding,
Boy I may be able to get a handful of your batch for you in Atlanta. Most of
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Ebrima,
Thanks again for the very insightful piece.
It is true that a transition does limit the liberties that the present
government can take in terms of taking the law into their own hands.As a
civilian government, they will have to heed the voice of the international
community, or at least be liable for prosecution either in a Gambian court
of law ( no high hopes there) , or an international one once they are out of
power, instead of getting away with crimes under the guise of "emergency
powers".That is the only saving grace here.
It still leaves the Gambian people with a very sad situation though,
"between a rock and a hard place" as they say,and l believe that this is the
point that was being put forth. We did have a new constitution, but yet,
did not the government make some changes in it, on their own to protect
themselves? Have they not continued to have incidents like that of Mr
Nyassi, as well as continued stifling of free speech in various forms? l
think he was released, not because the government thought they would be
answerable in a Gambian court of law, but because the incident was publicised
World-wide and at least the British government made an intervention for his
release. Infact, the NIA officers who testified at the hearing knowingly
lied about having anything to do with his whereabouts. The Judges' findings
based on the evidence led him to the conclusion that those representing the
government were infact lying. Has Mr Nyassi had his day in court to address
the abuse he was subjected to? Did Citizen's FM really have a fair and
impartial hearing on their case?
Are the reported seizure of passports being investigated? What about missing
funds, or Koro Ceesay's murder? Where are the Gambian courts of law, and are
they free to pursue these cases on behalf of the people without any fear
from the repercussions? All these incidents took place after so called
"civilian rule".
In short, we still have long way to go, and statements like those made by
Yankuba Touray regarding the outcome of elections, definitely seems to
indicate to us that we have gone deeper into the belly of the beast. The
reasons described here as the ones that led to Jammeh being voted into office
leaves me with a profound sense of sadness. Here we were clearly forced or
intimidated into voting for him just to avoid the wrath of his military goons
on the general populace, and it looks like they will go to any lengths to
stay right where they are. Their's is clearly still a military dictatorship
in civilian clothes, a wolf in sheep's clothing if you will, and l truely
wonder just how much better off we really are. We all wonder how much better
off we really are.
Jabou Joh
Gambia L,
As I stated in a previous posting to the L, I am not holding a brief for Mr
Jammeh on this matter.
However, for the sake of a healthy debate, I'll react to the points/concerns
raised by brothers Musa Jeng and Saiks Samateh.
But before giving my reaction, I must say that for me it is very encouraging
to observe that the Gambian mind has now become more fact-finding, more
cross-questioning and more empirical.
Gambians are now, more than before, asking very relevant questions,
listening more attentively, and dissecting issues more carefully, in order
to be in a better position to discern the truth from the sham.
It is also refreshing to observe on the L, nowadays, that despite our
differences in thoughts and beliefs, we are now beginning to debate in a
more healthy manner. That's very reassuring, and we certainly need to
maintain the habit.
Henceforth, let us try and listen to each other's views, even if one does
not subscribe to such views. Tolerating your opponent's views, if I may put
that way, does no harm to you, of course, provided that such views are
expressed respectfully.
In fact, I am reminded, at this point, of what the celebrated African
American scholar, William E.B Du Bois, said in one his numerous speeches.
To paraphrase it, he said that in order to get to the facts, it was
necessary that we listened to not only what we believed, but also what we
did not believe.
Now, let me try and respond to the issues raised by Saiks and Mr Jeng.
In my piece titled, "Some useful comments/observations", I had made the
following statement: "That the fundamental question to be asked now, in my
view, is whether a badly flawed transition was preferable to a continuation
of undiluted military rule."
I had concluded as follows: "That in my view, and in the view of many
observers of the Gambia's political scene, in spite of all its
imperfections, the change did mark a limited movement away from military
dictatorship and toward a kind of 'liberalised authoritarianism'."
Now, Mr Jeng wanted me "to revisit the thought process behind the phrase."
Semantic aside, he also asked me whether the people are better of with one
or the other. Lastly, he asked me whether both "could lead to the same
political doldrums and socio-economic backwardness."
First of all, let me say that phrases/terms such as pure authoritarianism,
liberalised authoritarianism etc are used in Comparative Politics.
There is more to these terms, but to simplify them, I would say pure
authoritarianism, as the name implies, is absolute dictatorship and
liberalised authoritarianism is still a dictatorship, but where people can
make limited criticism.
Mr Jeng, in my view, both liberalised authoritarianism and total
dictatorship are all cruel systems which ought to be dismantled. No people
deserve either of the two, because both systems are repressive.
However, permit me to try and explain why I said that a badly flawed
transition in the Gambian situation, in my view, was preferable to a
continuation of undiluted military rule.
Here, I must tell Saiks that I didn't imply that there was a significant
difference between the Gambia during the transition period and now. I am
aware of the injustices, the corruption etc in our Nation. I know that our
Nation is still bleeding and only God knows what can save her.
But, in my view, there were certain barbaric acts, permissible when the
Gambia was under undiluted military rule, that cannot be permitted or
tolerated now.
I maintain that Jammeh's hands, as I stated before, are a little bit tied,
now that he is a so-called civilian leader. Yes, as Saiks rightly pointed
out, the opposition parties and the Gambian civil society are determined to
see to it that their fundamental rights and freedoms are not trampled upon.
But the transitional arrangements, as bad as they were, have provided the
basis on which the opposition parties and the Gambian civil society can now
challenge the "unlawful arrest, detention and torture" Saiks is talking
about.
Today, Lamin Waa Juwara, for instance, can criticise Jammeh, on a daily
basis, and Jammeh will think twice, perhaps even three times, before
ordering for the arrest of Waa Juwara, not because Jammeh is afraid of Waa
Juwara, but because there is a legal frame in place restricting Jammeh.
The new Constitution, as seriously flawed as it is, has restrained Mr Jammeh
a little bit. Saiks talked about the kidnapping of Shyngle Nyassi.
Now, if the Gambia was still under undiluted military rule, Shyngle will
never have been released, and there would not have been any basis on which
his illegal detention could have been challenged.
When the Gambia was under undiluted military rule, the junta had enacted a
Decree, nullifying writs of Habeas Corpus.
Habeas Corpus is a writ requiring a person under arrest, or imprisonment, to
be brought before a judge in a court of law, to investigate the legality of
his arrest and detention.
Now, during the transition period, when the Gambia was under undiluted
military, Lamin Waa Juwara was kidnapped by the regime, and detained for
over a year. Amnesty International, the Gambia's Development Partners, the
Gambian civil society had all urged Jammeh to release Waa Juwara, but to no
avail.
However, this time around when Shyngle Nyassi was kidnapped, the
transitional arrangements, as flawed as they were, provided the basis on
which Nyassi's kidnapping can be challenged in a court of law.
And when the Judge ordered the security forces to release him, they had to
do so, I am sure, against their desire, but they had no choice.
The transitional arrangements, as bad as they were, have also provided a
National Assembly, where critical discussions of public concerns can now
take place.
Yes, the Speaker of the House, Mustapha Wadda, is partisan and has, in fact,
used the powers of his office to block critical motions.
But in an effort to get around this obstacle, opposition MPs, especially the
MP of my constituency, Hamat Bah, having been making the most of the
adjournment debates that occur at the end of each assembly session, and
during which MPs may raise any issue they choose.
Here I must point out that while these debates do not allow the introduction
of new motions, or the questioning of Secretaries of State, they do,
notwithstanding, provide a public forum for the criticism of government's
policies and actions.
Hamat Bah has been using this platform very effectively.
From outside, it would be difficult to see any difference between the Gambia
then and now, but those of us who were on the ground during time when
decrees were being used to govern us would dare to say that a badly flawed
transition was preferable to a continuation of undiluted military rule!
Again, I'll not hesitate to repeat that, in my view, in spite of all its
imperfections, the change did mark a LIMITED movement away from absolute
dictatorship and toward a kind of a less harsher dictatorship, call it
liberalised authoritarianism or whatever.
One does not have to agree with me. In fact, why should he/she? But having
said that I know, for a fact, that my views are in line with present day
research on the Gambia.
In conclusion, I must say that some people are yet to realise how DELICATE
and volatile the transition period in the Gambia was.
Many people don't still know that during the transition period, the Gambia
could have easily become another Liberia, if we did not have people like
Halifa Sallah, who could always come up, at the right time, with appropriate
crisis management mechanisms, to diffuse a potential crisis.
The situation was also helped by the fact that Jammeh, in the end, did win
the election. At one point, the tension was so high and frightening,
especially the week before the presidential election, that I, for one, had
thought that an unrest was inevitable!
I remember a senior diplomat telling me and Mick Slatter, the BBC
correspondent who came to cover the presidential election, that for the sake
of the continued peace and stability of the Gambia, he wanted Jammeh to win
the election.
This particular diplomat never liked Jammeh, whether his person or his
policies, but having read the political situation in the Gambia at the time,
he said if he were to vote in the election, he would vote for Jammeh not
because he subscribed to his policies, but because Jammeh's victory would
ensure the continued peace and stability of the Gambia.
Yes, there is no dispute about the fact that the electoral process was
extremely flawed, and it gave Jammeh massive advantages. But despite the
unfairness of the electoral process, the opposition could have still won the
election if the voters were sure that electing the UPD, for example, would
not have caused an unrest in the country if you know what I mean.
The electoral process was seriously flawed, but I sincerely believe that the
actual counting of votes was free. People were fed with military rule, and
they definitely wanted a change.
In fact, I, for one, am certain that under normal circumstances, the
opposition would have won the presidential election, even regardless of the
fact the electoral process was badly flawed.
But many voters decided, when saw the kind of tension that was brewing in
the country, days before the presidential election, to vote for Jammeh for
the sake of the continued peace, stability and tranquility of the country.
Now, to understand the logic behind this change of heart by many voters who
intended to vote for the opposition, I must recall a significant statement
Darboe made during campaign period.
He had said that if he won the election, the junta would have to account for
their actions, during the transition period, despite the indemnity clauses
in the new Constitution. That statement frighten the Ruling Military
Council.
And after Darboe uttered that statement, it was very clear to me, especially
having listened to some of the remarks Captain Yankuba Touray was making,
that the junta would have never handed over power if Darboe won.
This was the period when Yankuba was announcing at rallies that Jammeh would
win whether the electorate voted for him or not.
What is clear is that many voters who did not want to see our country
engulfed in turmoil, decided, at the 11th hour, to vote for Jammeh because,
in their view, Jammeh's victory would guarantee the continued peace and
stability of the Gambia.
Mr Jeng, coming to your question on whether both liberalised
authoritarianism and total military dictatorship could lead to the same
political doldrums and socio-economic backwardness, I'll give you a very
strong YES answer. To be continued whenever time permits me.
And next time I write on this subject, I'll explain why Jammeh and Captain
Edward Singhateh, even though they may not necessarily be the best of
friends, are still working together very closely.
That's why I always laugh at reports that do surface, from time to time,
that Jammeh is about to sack or arrest Singhateh.
I remember a week or so before Captain Ebou Jallow defected to Washington
DC, he met me AFRA FM on Kairaba Avenue, he then was overseeing the Ministry
of External (Blaise Jagne was away), and he started lamenting about
Singhateh, especially his behaviour in the then ruling council meetings.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
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Ebrima,
This piece is so enlightening. I certainly enjoyed it. Keep it up.
Ousman.
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Old boy,
Thanks for the offer. I am trying to contact as many as possible. Its been
20 yrs since and I am proposing that we start planning something for our 25
anniversary, 2004.
It would suffice if I can have their names and phone numbers.
Talk to you later.
Malanding
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> Malanding,
> Boy I may be able to get a handful of your batch for you in Atlanta. Most
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> Thanks
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Oops!!
Just realized that my previous mail on the above subject was addressed to
the wrong crowd. It was for Mr. Manjang only and not for general audience.
Please ignore.
Malanding
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In a message dated 11/10/99 1:33:46 PM Central Standard Time,
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To all of those women and those who them
Soffie
The Ages of Women
Age 8: Looks at herself and sees Cinderella/Sleeping Beauty etc.
Age 15: Looks at herself and sees Cinderella/Sleeping Beauty/Cheerleader or
if she is PMS'ing: sees Fat/Pimples/UGLY ("Mom I can't go to school looking
like this!")
Age 20: Looks at herself and sees "too fat/too thin, too short/too tall,
too straight/too curly" - but decides she's going anyway.
Age 30: Looks at herself and sees "too fat/too thin, too short/too tall,
too straight/too curly" - but decides she doesn't have time to fix it so
she's going anyway.
Age 40: Looks at herself and sees "too fat/too thin, too short/too tall,
too straight/too curly" - but says, "At least, I'm clean" and goes anyway.
Age 50: Looks at herself and sees "I am" and goes where ever she wants to.
Age 60: Looks at herself and reminds herself of all the people who can't
even see themselves in the mirror anymore. Goes out and conquers the world.
Age 70: Looks at herself and sees wisdom, laughter and ability, goes out and
enjoys life.
Age 80: Doesn't bother to look. Just puts on a red hat and goes out to
participate in the world.
Age 90: Can't see and so doesn't worry about it!
Send this on to all the women you are grateful to have as friends.
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Soffie,
Thanks for sending this. l got a good laugh. However, it is so true. l always
tell my girls when they spend too much time infront of the mirror that l hope
one day ,they will get to the age l am and realize that there are more
important things in life. Of course they look at me as if l am out of my mind.
Jabou
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In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
Forgotten Roots: The Early History of Africans and Islam in the Americas
A lecture program sponsored by the Badr Foundation, the New Brunswick
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Washington, D.C.
Sylviane Diouf--a writer specializing in the culture and history of people
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African descent in the Americas, author of the book: Servants of Allah:
African Muslims Enslaved in the Americas.
Hamza Yusuf--one of the most noteworthy scholars of Islam in the West. He
completed most of his Islamic studies in the African nation of Mauritania
Allan Austin-- retied professor of English and Afro American studies at
Springfield College in Springfield, MA. Author of African Muslims in
Antebellum America: A Sourcebook, and African Muslims in Antebellum
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Transatlantic Stories and Spiritual Struggles
Plus: a special exhibit--original Arabic manuscripts written by African
Muslims while they were enslaved in the Americas
Friday December 3, 1999---7:00 pm
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Tickets are $15 and are available at selected locations or by mail
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In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
PREPARING FOR THE MONTH OF RAMADAN
All praise is due to Allah, the Lord and the Cherisher of the Universe.
May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon the holy prophet, Muhammad
(PBUH), his household, companions and the followers of the right guidance
till the Day of Judgement.
Islam teaches that every person is born sinless, that there is nothing
like inherited or original sin. That every person will be responsible for
his/her sins and that sin and righteousness are not transferable. Allah,
the Exalted, says:
"Did you (Muhammad) observe him who turned away, he gives a little then
hardens (his heart)? What! Has he knowledge of the Unseen so that he can
see? Or is he not acquainted with what is in the books of Moses. And of
Abraham who fulfilled his engagements? NAMELY THAT NO BEARER OF BURDENS
(SINS) CAN BEAR THE BURDENS (SINS) OF ANOTHER; AND THAT MAN CAN HAVE
NOTHING BUT WHAT HE STRIVES FOR; That (the fruit of) his striving will
soon come in sight; Then will he be rewarded with a reward complete; That
to thy Lord is the final Goal." Q53:33-42.
"Whoever works righteousness benefits his own soul; whoever works evil it
is against his own soul: nor is thy Lord ever unjust (in the least) to His
servants." Q41:46
Allah is Merciful, He knows that human beings are weak and not perfect, He
knows that mankind is surrounded by evils of satan and that mankind can
fall into errors and sins. Therefore, Islam teaches Muslims many ways of
seeking forgiveness of Allah. One way is by sincere repentance as Allah
commands: "Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord and for a
garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth
prepared for the righteous. And those who having done something to be
ashamed of or wronged their own souls earnestly bring Allah to mind and
ask for forgiveness for their sins and who can forgive sins except Allah?
And are never obstinate in persisting knowingly in (the wrong) they have
done."Q3:133&135. Other ways include performance of Umrah, Hajj and
fasting particularly in the month of Ramadan.
Today is the 5th of Ramadan (8th Islamic month). This is the month before
Ramadan. We should start preparing for Ramadan right now. Those of us that
missed some days of fasting during last Ramadan, particularly women,
should repay the missed days before another Ramadan. Those of us who
completed last Ramadan can do sunnah of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in this
month. He used to fast the first 15 days of Shaban after which he used to
abstained from fast till the beginning of Ramadan. In ahadith, we read:
Abu Salamah reported: I asked Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) about the
fasting of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him). She said: He used
to observe fast (at times so continuously) that we said: He has fasted
(never to break), and he did not observe fast till we said: He has given
up perhaps never to fast, and I never saw him observing (voluntary fasts)
more in any other month than that of Sha'ban. (It appeared as if) he
observed fast throughout the whole of Sha'ban except a few (days). (Muslim
2581).
The Prophet never fasted in any month more than in the month of Sha'ban.
He used to say, "Do those deeds which you can do easily, as Allah will not
get tired (of giving rewards) till you get bored and tired (of performing
religious deeds) " (Bukhar 3.191)
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: When it is the night of
Sha'ban observe the prayer during the night and observe the fast during
the day for Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, descends to the heaven of the
world as the sun sets and says: Is there anyone who seeks forgiveness so
that I may forgive him? Is there anyone who seeks sustenance so that I may
provide for him? Is there anyone in trouble so that I may relieve him, and
so on and so forth till the dawn breaks. (Tirmidhi 1308)
We should plan our schedule very well so as to maximize the benefits of
Ramadan like reading the Qur'an, observing Tarawih (prayer after Ishai
prayer in Ramadan) and Tahajjud (Prayer in the night), etc. We should
remember that the reward of good deeds in the month of Ramadan is many
times the reward in any other month and that the Qur'an was revealed in
Ramadan. Fasting is obligatory on every matured and sane Muslim except
those exempted for one reason or the other, this category of people will
be discussed latter, insha Allah. Below is a sermon of prophet Muhammad
(PBUH) on the last day of Shaban to his companions:
"A great month, a blessed month, a month containing a night which is
better than a thousand months has approached you people. Allah has
appointed the observance of fasting during it as an obligatory duty, and
the passing of its night in prayer as a voluntary practice. If someone
draws near to Allah during it with some good act he will be like one who
fulfils an obligatory duty in another month, and he who fulfils an
obligatory duty in it will be like one who fulfils seventy obligatory
duties in another month. It is the month of endurance and the reward of
endurance is Paradise. It is the month of sharing with others, and a month
in which the believer's provision is increased. If someone gives one who
has been fasting something with which to break his fast it will provide
forgiveness of his sins and save him from Hell, and he will have a reward
equal to his without his reward being diminished in any respect." We
remarked to Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) that not all of us have
the means to give one who had been fasting something with which to break
his fast. He replied, "Allah gives this reward to him who gives one who
has been fasting some milk mixed with water, or a date, or a drink of
water with which to break his fast. Anyone who gives a full meal to one
who has been fasting will be given a drink from my tank (Hawd) by Allah
and will not thirst till he enters Paradise. It is a month whose beginning
is mercy, whose middle is forgiveness, and whose end is freedom from Hell.
If anyone makes things easy for his slave during it, Allah will forgive
him and free him from Hell." (Tirmidhi 1965)
May Allah count us among the people that will witness the coming Ramadan
and accept all our acts of worship.
Peace be on you
Surajudeen.
King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia.
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Jabou,
You've spoken for me! I was going to say exactly what you've said. Thank
you.
Saul.
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>Ebrima,
>
>Thanks again for the very insightful piece.
>
>It is true that a transition does limit the liberties that the present
>government can take in terms of taking the law into their own hands.As a
>civilian government, they will have to heed the voice of the international
>community, or at least be liable for prosecution either in a Gambian court
>of law ( no high hopes there) , or an international one once they are out
>of
>power, instead of getting away with crimes under the guise of "emergency
>powers".That is the only saving grace here.
>
> It still leaves the Gambian people with a very sad situation though,
>"between a rock and a hard place" as they say,and l believe that this is
>the
>point that was being put forth. We did have a new constitution, but yet,
>did not the government make some changes in it, on their own to protect
>themselves? Have they not continued to have incidents like that of Mr
>Nyassi, as well as continued stifling of free speech in various forms? l
>think he was released, not because the government thought they would be
>answerable in a Gambian court of law, but because the incident was
>publicised
> World-wide and at least the British government made an intervention for
>his
>release. Infact, the NIA officers who testified at the hearing knowingly
>lied about having anything to do with his whereabouts. The Judges'
>findings
>based on the evidence led him to the conclusion that those representing
>the
>government were infact lying. Has Mr Nyassi had his day in court to
>address
>the abuse he was subjected to? Did Citizen's FM really have a fair and
>impartial hearing on their case?
>Are the reported seizure of passports being investigated? What about
>missing
>funds, or Koro Ceesay's murder? Where are the Gambian courts of law, and
>are
>they free to pursue these cases on behalf of the people without any fear
>from the repercussions? All these incidents took place after so called
>"civilian rule".
>
>In short, we still have long way to go, and statements like those made by
>Yankuba Touray regarding the outcome of elections, definitely seems to
>indicate to us that we have gone deeper into the belly of the beast. The
>reasons described here as the ones that led to Jammeh being voted into
>office
>leaves me with a profound sense of sadness. Here we were clearly forced or
>intimidated into voting for him just to avoid the wrath of his military
>goons
>on the general populace, and it looks like they will go to any lengths to
>stay right where they are. Their's is clearly still a military
>dictatorship
>in civilian clothes, a wolf in sheep's clothing if you will, and l
>truely
>wonder just how much better off we really are. We all wonder how much
>better
>off we really are.
>
>Jabou Joh
>
> Gambia L,
>
> As I stated in a previous posting to the L, I am not holding a brief for
>Mr
> Jammeh on this matter.
>
> However, for the sake of a healthy debate, I'll react to the
>points/concerns
> raised by brothers Musa Jeng and Saiks Samateh.
>
> But before giving my reaction, I must say that for me it is very
>encouraging
> to observe that the Gambian mind has now become more fact-finding, more
> cross-questioning and more empirical.
>
> Gambians are now, more than before, asking very relevant questions,
> listening more attentively, and dissecting issues more carefully, in
>order
> to be in a better position to discern the truth from the sham.
>
> It is also refreshing to observe on the L, nowadays, that despite our
> differences in thoughts and beliefs, we are now beginning to debate in a
> more healthy manner. That's very reassuring, and we certainly need to
> maintain the habit.
>
> Henceforth, let us try and listen to each other's views, even if one does
> not subscribe to such views. Tolerating your opponent's views, if I may
>put
> that way, does no harm to you, of course, provided that such views are
> expressed respectfully.
>
> In fact, I am reminded, at this point, of what the celebrated African
> American scholar, William E.B Du Bois, said in one his numerous speeches.
>
> To paraphrase it, he said that in order to get to the facts, it was
> necessary that we listened to not only what we believed, but also what we
> did not believe.
>
> Now, let me try and respond to the issues raised by Saiks and Mr Jeng.
>
> In my piece titled, "Some useful comments/observations", I had made the
> following statement: "That the fundamental question to be asked now, in
>my
> view, is whether a badly flawed transition was preferable to a
>continuation
> of undiluted military rule."
>
> I had concluded as follows: "That in my view, and in the view of many
> observers of the Gambia's political scene, in spite of all its
> imperfections, the change did mark a limited movement away from military
> dictatorship and toward a kind of 'liberalised authoritarianism'."
>
> Now, Mr Jeng wanted me "to revisit the thought process behind the
>phrase."
>
> Semantic aside, he also asked me whether the people are better of with
>one
> or the other. Lastly, he asked me whether both "could lead to the same
> political doldrums and socio-economic backwardness."
>
> First of all, let me say that phrases/terms such as pure
>authoritarianism,
> liberalised authoritarianism etc are used in Comparative Politics.
>
> There is more to these terms, but to simplify them, I would say pure
> authoritarianism, as the name implies, is absolute dictatorship and
> liberalised authoritarianism is still a dictatorship, but where people
>can
> make limited criticism.
>
> Mr Jeng, in my view, both liberalised authoritarianism and total
> dictatorship are all cruel systems which ought to be dismantled. No
>people
> deserve either of the two, because both systems are repressive.
>
> However, permit me to try and explain why I said that a badly flawed
> transition in the Gambian situation, in my view, was preferable to a
> continuation of undiluted military rule.
>
> Here, I must tell Saiks that I didn't imply that there was a significant
> difference between the Gambia during the transition period and now. I am
> aware of the injustices, the corruption etc in our Nation. I know that
>our
> Nation is still bleeding and only God knows what can save her.
>
> But, in my view, there were certain barbaric acts, permissible when the
> Gambia was under undiluted military rule, that cannot be permitted or
> tolerated now.
>
> I maintain that Jammeh's hands, as I stated before, are a little bit
>tied,
> now that he is a so-called civilian leader. Yes, as Saiks rightly pointed
> out, the opposition parties and the Gambian civil society are determined
>to
> see to it that their fundamental rights and freedoms are not trampled
>upon.
>
> But the transitional arrangements, as bad as they were, have provided the
> basis on which the opposition parties and the Gambian civil society can
>now
> challenge the "unlawful arrest, detention and torture" Saiks is talking
> about.
>
> Today, Lamin Waa Juwara, for instance, can criticise Jammeh, on a daily
> basis, and Jammeh will think twice, perhaps even three times, before
> ordering for the arrest of Waa Juwara, not because Jammeh is afraid of
>Waa
> Juwara, but because there is a legal frame in place restricting Jammeh.
>
> The new Constitution, as seriously flawed as it is, has restrained Mr
>Jammeh
> a little bit. Saiks talked about the kidnapping of Shyngle Nyassi.
>
> Now, if the Gambia was still under undiluted military rule, Shyngle will
> never have been released, and there would not have been any basis on
>which
> his illegal detention could have been challenged.
>
> When the Gambia was under undiluted military rule, the junta had enacted
>a
> Decree, nullifying writs of Habeas Corpus.
>
> Habeas Corpus is a writ requiring a person under arrest, or imprisonment,
>to
> be brought before a judge in a court of law, to investigate the legality
>of
> his arrest and detention.
>
> Now, during the transition period, when the Gambia was under undiluted
> military, Lamin Waa Juwara was kidnapped by the regime, and detained for
> over a year. Amnesty International, the Gambia's Development Partners,
>the
> Gambian civil society had all urged Jammeh to release Waa Juwara, but to
>no
> avail.
>
> However, this time around when Shyngle Nyassi was kidnapped, the
> transitional arrangements, as flawed as they were, provided the basis on
> which Nyassi's kidnapping can be challenged in a court of law.
>
> And when the Judge ordered the security forces to release him, they had
>to
> do so, I am sure, against their desire, but they had no choice.
>
> The transitional arrangements, as bad as they were, have also provided a
> National Assembly, where critical discussions of public concerns can now
> take place.
>
> Yes, the Speaker of the House, Mustapha Wadda, is partisan and has, in
>fact,
> used the powers of his office to block critical motions.
>
> But in an effort to get around this obstacle, opposition MPs, especially
>the
> MP of my constituency, Hamat Bah, having been making the most of the
> adjournment debates that occur at the end of each assembly session, and
> during which MPs may raise any issue they choose.
>
> Here I must point out that while these debates do not allow the
>introduction
> of new motions, or the questioning of Secretaries of State, they do,
> notwithstanding, provide a public forum for the criticism of government's
> policies and actions.
>
> Hamat Bah has been using this platform very effectively.
>
> From outside, it would be difficult to see any difference between the
>Gambia
> then and now, but those of us who were on the ground during time when
> decrees were being used to govern us would dare to say that a badly
>flawed
> transition was preferable to a continuation of undiluted military rule!
>
> Again, I'll not hesitate to repeat that, in my view, in spite of all its
> imperfections, the change did mark a LIMITED movement away from absolute
> dictatorship and toward a kind of a less harsher dictatorship, call it
> liberalised authoritarianism or whatever.
>
> One does not have to agree with me. In fact, why should he/she? But
>having
> said that I know, for a fact, that my views are in line with present day
> research on the Gambia.
>
> In conclusion, I must say that some people are yet to realise how
>DELICATE
> and volatile the transition period in the Gambia was.
>
> Many people don't still know that during the transition period, the
>Gambia
> could have easily become another Liberia, if we did not have people like
> Halifa Sallah, who could always come up, at the right time, with
>appropriate
> crisis management mechanisms, to diffuse a potential crisis.
>
> The situation was also helped by the fact that Jammeh, in the end, did
>win
> the election. At one point, the tension was so high and frightening,
> especially the week before the presidential election, that I, for one,
>had
> thought that an unrest was inevitable!
>
> I remember a senior diplomat telling me and Mick Slatter, the BBC
> correspondent who came to cover the presidential election, that for the
>sake
> of the continued peace and stability of the Gambia, he wanted Jammeh to
>win
> the election.
>
> This particular diplomat never liked Jammeh, whether his person or his
> policies, but having read the political situation in the Gambia at the
>time,
> he said if he were to vote in the election, he would vote for Jammeh not
> because he subscribed to his policies, but because Jammeh's victory would
> ensure the continued peace and stability of the Gambia.
>
> Yes, there is no dispute about the fact that the electoral process was
> extremely flawed, and it gave Jammeh massive advantages. But despite the
> unfairness of the electoral process, the opposition could have still won
>the
> election if the voters were sure that electing the UPD, for example,
>would
> not have caused an unrest in the country if you know what I mean.
>
> The electoral process was seriously flawed, but I sincerely believe that
>the
> actual counting of votes was free. People were fed with military rule,
>and
> they definitely wanted a change.
>
> In fact, I, for one, am certain that under normal circumstances, the
> opposition would have won the presidential election, even regardless of
>the
> fact the electoral process was badly flawed.
>
> But many voters decided, when saw the kind of tension that was brewing in
> the country, days before the presidential election, to vote for Jammeh
>for
> the sake of the continued peace, stability and tranquility of the
>country.
>
> Now, to understand the logic behind this change of heart by many voters
>who
> intended to vote for the opposition, I must recall a significant
>statement
> Darboe made during campaign period.
>
> He had said that if he won the election, the junta would have to account
>for
> their actions, during the transition period, despite the indemnity
>clauses
> in the new Constitution. That statement frighten the Ruling Military
> Council.
>
> And after Darboe uttered that statement, it was very clear to me,
>especially
> having listened to some of the remarks Captain Yankuba Touray was making,
> that the junta would have never handed over power if Darboe won.
>
> This was the period when Yankuba was announcing at rallies that Jammeh
>would
> win whether the electorate voted for him or not.
>
> What is clear is that many voters who did not want to see our country
> engulfed in turmoil, decided, at the 11th hour, to vote for Jammeh
>because,
> in their view, Jammeh's victory would guarantee the continued peace and
> stability of the Gambia.
>
> Mr Jeng, coming to your question on whether both liberalised
> authoritarianism and total military dictatorship could lead to the same
> political doldrums and socio-economic backwardness, I'll give you a very
> strong YES answer. To be continued whenever time permits me.
>
> And next time I write on this subject, I'll explain why Jammeh and
>Captain
> Edward Singhateh, even though they may not necessarily be the best of
> friends, are still working together very closely.
>
> That's why I always laugh at reports that do surface, from time to time,
> that Jammeh is about to sack or arrest Singhateh.
>
> I remember a week or so before Captain Ebou Jallow defected to Washington
> DC, he met me AFRA FM on Kairaba Avenue, he then was overseeing the
>Ministry
> of External (Blaise Jagne was away), and he started lamenting about
> Singhateh, especially his behaviour in the then ruling council meetings.
>
> Ebrima Ceesay,
> Birmingham, UK.
> >>
>
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Are thoughts really free?
Thoughts are usually anchored in the World of Fine Cross Matter which we do
not see, hear or touch with our physical senses while the Medium Cross
Matter is where our spoken words are anchored. Our earth however, belongs to
the Densest or Coarsest Cross Matter that we see, hear and touch. So, are
other bodies that we can also see including the sun, the moon, the stars and
other heavenly bodies that cannot be visible unless viewed with the most
advanced instruments available or can be discovered in the future. Thus,
since thoughts are not perceptible with our physical senses, we may be
tempted to conclude that we are free to play with them, as we like without
responsibility. But we are wrong because thoughts are a form of human
activity and must be accounted for and redeemed before we are free to
commence our ascent after physical death.
These three forms of activity - thoughts, words and deeds are interconnected
in their effects. Thoughts, being the finest of the three can, in its
automatic working, gain connection with a homogenous anchorage of word forms
in the Medium Cross Matter through which a more powerful form is produced.
This in turn will subsequently condense to manifest in visible deeds of some
human beings in the coarsest World of Matter. Thus, all activities or deeds
that arise in the physical world have far-reaching contributions and infact
originate from thought forms. Through pressure and condensation, our
thoughts produce the quality of a magnetic activity and are able to attract
other similar thought forms. This makes them to become stronger and finally
emerge beyond us in firmly united power-waves capable of exerting an
influence upon our wider environment in the manner described above. In other
words, these thoughts, having been strengthened through mutual power of
attraction, build for themselves powerful force fields or power centres of
homogenous propensities, each of which is connected, to several individuals
living in various parts of the world whose thoughts make up the centres.
These power centres, mostly, embody propensities for example, of hate, envy,
jealousy, lustfulness, avarice, e.t.c, which are usually thickly populated
in toady's world.
Every thought that is generated immediately takes on form in the beyond,
which embodies and expresses the essential meaning of the thought. The
Living Creative Power, which flows through man, moulds his thought-forms and
gives expression to the will of the thought. It is indeed an act of mercy
that our physical eyes are not able to behold the many base propensities of
grotesque and reprehensible forms embodied in the power centres populating
the world of thought-forms which are firmly connected with us. Yet, these
are realities that shape our ethereal environment, which can contribute much
to uplift or debase us because its effects reach into our physical world and
far down into the realm of darkness. When we consider the events that take
place at home and abroad today, we shall be left in no doubt as to the
nature of thought-forms that brought them about. And yet, through purer
thoughts, we could have build a powerful armour around us to frustrate the
penetration of darkness, so, that all these bombings, killings, the so
called ethnic cleansing and destruction would not have taken place. So much
talks and boasting that have characterised these crises and orchestrated by
the media are nothing but the precipitation of thought-forms that we allowed
to take effect. Purer thought-forms would have produced different result had
we exerted ourselves to create them and save ourselves from self-destructive
tendencies of today.
Now, an individual, a group of people or a whole nation so connected to one
of such power centres may receive retroactively so much intensification of
the embodied propensity that they find themselves committing untold
devastation in their environment. All those who have contributed to this
power centre through their thoughts will share in the reciprocal effect of
such devastation in accordance with the Eternal laws of God irrespective of
whether they live in different parts of the world. Thus, through ignorance,
we participate in many deeds of other people whose connecting threads to the
relevant power centre have been so intensified as to bring them to commit
such awful deeds. Therefore we are not after all free from responsibilities
for our thoughts. It is for these reasons that we must exert ourselves to
produce good thoughts always rather than generate thought forms which can
float about and may subsequently get attracted to a power-centre that will
tie us down to painful experiences.
For this reason, we have been admonished to keep the heart of our thoughts
pure, by so doing; we shall bring peace and be happy. This makes sense,
because pure and joyful thinking can only connect us with a more luminous
power centre through which we can contribute more powerfully to the peace
and happiness of humanity and as such share in the good works that develop
through strangers from other regions of the earth.
Thoughts which lack the genuineness of free intuitive volition are usually
intellectually willed and as such are pressed into definite channels that
are essentially egoistic and self-serving, be it of avid desire for power or
other selfish motivation. These are not the work of the spirit and do not
arise out of pure intuitive volition, which is boundless and able to well up
in us.
Thus, the right way of thinking must arise out of an all-embracing urge for
what is good and noble which envelops our thoughts and permeates them even
before they take on form. What is then produced can safely be left to our
intellect to apply in the physical world as pure thoughts that can bring us
peace and joy. In this way, we shall become worthy helpers in Creation on
whom the high blessings meant for the human spirits will be bestowed so that
these blessings may be transformed and passed on to those creatures who are
only able to absorb them through such transformation by man. This is part of
the joyful activities of a human spirit who has not soiled himself in the
denseness of the material world.
As of now, far fewer centres for instance of love and purity are generated
in the world of thought forms and as such, mankind will continue to be hit
by acts of fate that remain difficult to fathom. But we pray for the
glorious dawn when we shall resolve to give purity to our thoughts always
and generate more luminous centres that can strengthen our striving towards
what is good and noble and at the same time work on darker minds with
gradually purifying effects. We have been endowed with access to the Living
Power of the Most High with which we shape our destinies. It lies in our
hands to use it aright to experience peace and joy or to continue to live in
hell. Our thoughts are the powerful messengers we send to create the type of
environment we must experience. The choice is ours.
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Ebrima Ceesay, Musa Jeng, Jabou Joh, Bakary Sonko, Katim Touray and
Saiks Samateh:
The ongoing debate is healthy and I commend you and all those who
responded to my earlier posting "It is Time To Heal." I have compiled
the responses to the posting and will provide a summary of the various
comments and suggestions.
Regarding "some useful comments/ observations" by Ebrima Ceesay, I could
not agree more with his analysis. John Wiseman and I have made similar
comments elsewhere. Wiseman, who is British, has written a lot on
Gambia. It is this "opening" in Gambia's political landscape that we
must use as an entry point. We can debate the modalities later. Ebrima,
keep up the good "comparative" analysis!
Abdoulaye Saine
Keep up the Good work!
Abdoulaye
ebrima ceesay wrote:
>
> Gambia L,
>
> As I stated in a previous posting to the L, I am not holding a brief for Mr
> Jammeh on this matter.
>
> However, for the sake of a healthy debate, I'll react to the points/concerns
> raised by brothers Musa Jeng and Saiks Samateh.
>
> But before giving my reaction, I must say that for me it is very encouraging
> to observe that the Gambian mind has now become more fact-finding, more
> cross-questioning and more empirical.
>
> Gambians are now, more than before, asking very relevant questions,
> listening more attentively, and dissecting issues more carefully, in order
> to be in a better position to discern the truth from the sham.
>
> It is also refreshing to observe on the L, nowadays, that despite our
> differences in thoughts and beliefs, we are now beginning to debate in a
> more healthy manner. That's very reassuring, and we certainly need to
> maintain the habit.
>
> Henceforth, let us try and listen to each other's views, even if one does
> not subscribe to such views. Tolerating your opponent's views, if I may put
> that way, does no harm to you, of course, provided that such views are
> expressed respectfully.
>
> In fact, I am reminded, at this point, of what the celebrated African
> American scholar, William E.B Du Bois, said in one his numerous speeches.
>
> To paraphrase it, he said that in order to get to the facts, it was
> necessary that we listened to not only what we believed, but also what we
> did not believe.
>
> Now, let me try and respond to the issues raised by Saiks and Mr Jeng.
>
> In my piece titled, "Some useful comments/observations", I had made the
> following statement: "That the fundamental question to be asked now, in my
> view, is whether a badly flawed transition was preferable to a continuation
> of undiluted military rule."
>
> I had concluded as follows: "That in my view, and in the view of many
> observers of the Gambia's political scene, in spite of all its
> imperfections, the change did mark a limited movement away from military
> dictatorship and toward a kind of 'liberalised authoritarianism'."
>
> Now, Mr Jeng wanted me "to revisit the thought process behind the phrase."
>
> Semantic aside, he also asked me whether the people are better of with one
> or the other. Lastly, he asked me whether both "could lead to the same
> political doldrums and socio-economic backwardness."
>
> First of all, let me say that phrases/terms such as pure authoritarianism,
> liberalised authoritarianism etc are used in Comparative Politics.
>
> There is more to these terms, but to simplify them, I would say pure
> authoritarianism, as the name implies, is absolute dictatorship and
> liberalised authoritarianism is still a dictatorship, but where people can
> make limited criticism.
>
> Mr Jeng, in my view, both liberalised authoritarianism and total
> dictatorship are all cruel systems which ought to be dismantled. No people
> deserve either of the two, because both systems are repressive.
>
> However, permit me to try and explain why I said that a badly flawed
> transition in the Gambian situation, in my view, was preferable to a
> continuation of undiluted military rule.
>
> Here, I must tell Saiks that I didn't imply that there was a significant
> difference between the Gambia during the transition period and now. I am
> aware of the injustices, the corruption etc in our Nation. I know that our
> Nation is still bleeding and only God knows what can save her.
>
> But, in my view, there were certain barbaric acts, permissible when the
> Gambia was under undiluted military rule, that cannot be permitted or
> tolerated now.
>
> I maintain that Jammeh's hands, as I stated before, are a little bit tied,
> now that he is a so-called civilian leader. Yes, as Saiks rightly pointed
> out, the opposition parties and the Gambian civil society are determined to
> see to it that their fundamental rights and freedoms are not trampled upon.
>
> But the transitional arrangements, as bad as they were, have provided the
> basis on which the opposition parties and the Gambian civil society can now
> challenge the "unlawful arrest, detention and torture" Saiks is talking
> about.
>
> Today, Lamin Waa Juwara, for instance, can criticise Jammeh, on a daily
> basis, and Jammeh will think twice, perhaps even three times, before
> ordering for the arrest of Waa Juwara, not because Jammeh is afraid of Waa
> Juwara, but because there is a legal frame in place restricting Jammeh.
>
> The new Constitution, as seriously flawed as it is, has restrained Mr Jammeh
> a little bit. Saiks talked about the kidnapping of Shyngle Nyassi.
>
> Now, if the Gambia was still under undiluted military rule, Shyngle will
> never have been released, and there would not have been any basis on which
> his illegal detention could have been challenged.
>
> When the Gambia was under undiluted military rule, the junta had enacted a
> Decree, nullifying writs of Habeas Corpus.
>
> Habeas Corpus is a writ requiring a person under arrest, or imprisonment, to
> be brought before a judge in a court of law, to investigate the legality of
> his arrest and detention.
>
> Now, during the transition period, when the Gambia was under undiluted
> military, Lamin Waa Juwara was kidnapped by the regime, and detained for
> over a year. Amnesty International, the Gambia's Development Partners, the
> Gambian civil society had all urged Jammeh to release Waa Juwara, but to no
> avail.
>
> However, this time around when Shyngle Nyassi was kidnapped, the
> transitional arrangements, as flawed as they were, provided the basis on
> which Nyassi's kidnapping can be challenged in a court of law.
>
> And when the Judge ordered the security forces to release him, they had to
> do so, I am sure, against their desire, but they had no choice.
>
> The transitional arrangements, as bad as they were, have also provided a
> National Assembly, where critical discussions of public concerns can now
> take place.
>
> Yes, the Speaker of the House, Mustapha Wadda, is partisan and has, in fact,
> used the powers of his office to block critical motions.
>
> But in an effort to get around this obstacle, opposition MPs, especially the
> MP of my constituency, Hamat Bah, having been making the most of the
> adjournment debates that occur at the end of each assembly session, and
> during which MPs may raise any issue they choose.
>
> Here I must point out that while these debates do not allow the introduction
> of new motions, or the questioning of Secretaries of State, they do,
> notwithstanding, provide a public forum for the criticism of government's
> policies and actions.
>
> Hamat Bah has been using this platform very effectively.
>
> >From outside, it would be difficult to see any difference between the Gambia
> then and now, but those of us who were on the ground during time when
> decrees were being used to govern us would dare to say that a badly flawed
> transition was preferable to a continuation of undiluted military rule!
>
> Again, I'll not hesitate to repeat that, in my view, in spite of all its
> imperfections, the change did mark a LIMITED movement away from absolute
> dictatorship and toward a kind of a less harsher dictatorship, call it
> liberalised authoritarianism or whatever.
>
> One does not have to agree with me. In fact, why should he/she? But having
> said that I know, for a fact, that my views are in line with present day
> research on the Gambia.
>
> In conclusion, I must say that some people are yet to realise how DELICATE
> and volatile the transition period in the Gambia was.
>
> Many people don't still know that during the transition period, the Gambia
> could have easily become another Liberia, if we did not have people like
> Halifa Sallah, who could always come up, at the right time, with appropriate
> crisis management mechanisms, to diffuse a potential crisis.
>
> The situation was also helped by the fact that Jammeh, in the end, did win
> the election. At one point, the tension was so high and frightening,
> especially the week before the presidential election, that I, for one, had
> thought that an unrest was inevitable!
>
> I remember a senior diplomat telling me and Mick Slatter, the BBC
> correspondent who came to cover the presidential election, that for the sake
> of the continued peace and stability of the Gambia, he wanted Jammeh to win
> the election.
>
> This particular diplomat never liked Jammeh, whether his person or his
> policies, but having read the political situation in the Gambia at the time,
> he said if he were to vote in the election, he would vote for Jammeh not
> because he subscribed to his policies, but because Jammeh's victory would
> ensure the continued peace and stability of the Gambia.
>
> Yes, there is no dispute about the fact that the electoral process was
> extremely flawed, and it gave Jammeh massive advantages. But despite the
> unfairness of the electoral process, the opposition could have still won the
> election if the voters were sure that electing the UPD, for example, would
> not have caused an unrest in the country if you know what I mean.
>
> The electoral process was seriously flawed, but I sincerely believe that the
> actual counting of votes was free. People were fed with military rule, and
> they definitely wanted a change.
>
> In fact, I, for one, am certain that under normal circumstances, the
> opposition would have won the presidential election, even regardless of the
> fact the electoral process was badly flawed.
>
> But many voters decided, when saw the kind of tension that was brewing in
> the country, days before the presidential election, to vote for Jammeh for
> the sake of the continued peace, stability and tranquility of the country.
>
> Now, to understand the logic behind this change of heart by many voters who
> intended to vote for the opposition, I must recall a significant statement
> Darboe made during campaign period.
>
> He had said that if he won the election, the junta would have to account for
> their actions, during the transition period, despite the indemnity clauses
> in the new Constitution. That statement frighten the Ruling Military
> Council.
>
> And after Darboe uttered that statement, it was very clear to me, especially
> having listened to some of the remarks Captain Yankuba Touray was making,
> that the junta would have never handed over power if Darboe won.
>
> This was the period when Yankuba was announcing at rallies that Jammeh would
> win whether the electorate voted for him or not.
>
> What is clear is that many voters who did not want to see our country
> engulfed in turmoil, decided, at the 11th hour, to vote for Jammeh because,
> in their view, Jammeh's victory would guarantee the continued peace and
> stability of the Gambia.
>
> Mr Jeng, coming to your question on whether both liberalised
> authoritarianism and total military dictatorship could lead to the same
> political doldrums and socio-economic backwardness, I'll give you a very
> strong YES answer. To be continued whenever time permits me.
>
> And next time I write on this subject, I'll explain why Jammeh and Captain
> Edward Singhateh, even though they may not necessarily be the best of
> friends, are still working together very closely.
>
> That's why I always laugh at reports that do surface, from time to time,
> that Jammeh is about to sack or arrest Singhateh.
>
> I remember a week or so before Captain Ebou Jallow defected to Washington
> DC, he met me AFRA FM on Kairaba Avenue, he then was overseeing the Ministry
> of External (Blaise Jagne was away), and he started lamenting about
> Singhateh, especially his behaviour in the then ruling council meetings.
>
> Ebrima Ceesay,
> Birmingham, UK.
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Any boxing fans in the house??? Are you ready to ruuuumble?? Well, the big
fight of the year is only three hours away. I hope Stevie Wonder and Ray
Charles stay clear of the judges' desk:-)
Enjoy the fight!
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who do you think is going to win the fight? i am going for lewis
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>fight of the year is only three hours away. I hope Stevie Wonder and Ray
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Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji`uun
The death of Daddy Robert King was annnounced this morning.
He was a very good friendly person,and he was one of the elder=B4s
who was try very hard to see that the Gambian`s in Denmark are
together and have fun.When ever you meet him,he try to make jokes
with people.The burial will be announce later when we find out.
We will miss him very much,but God the Almighty know`s the best.
May his soul rest in perfect peace.
My sincere condolences to all the entire family and the rest of the
Gambian`s.
May God! recompense us for our affliction and replace it for us with
something better.
we also ask God! to shower him with His Mercy and grant him
forgiveeness....Ameen!!!!!
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Hi Mr. Brown et al.,
What a fight!!! I didn't regret paying $90 to watch it on PPV. Just got
back home after a long celebration with my buddies.
God save the QUEEN!!! I knew Lewis was going to prevail for the British
Empire:-) But, I'll agrre with you that Holyfield was the aggressor this
time around. Can't wait for their next bout.
Got to go to bed..... Night night!!!
Madiba.
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"A Preliminary Response to Ali Mazrui's=20
Preliminary Critique of Wonders of the African World" =20
Only rarely as a scholar does one have the opportunity to discuss one's
passion for a subject, the reasons for one's choice of it as one's
life's work, and the raison d'=EAtre for the production of a specific
work about it. The extraordinarily energetic reactions to my film
series, "Wonders of the African World," provide such an occasion for me
to address these issues generally and, more specifically, to respond to
questions raised by the distinguished African scholar, Professor Ali
Mazrui. =20
Before I do so, however, let me state frankly that I relish the fact
that so very many people academics and non-academics alike have felt
moved to write to me and to each other about the series. I am first and
last a teacher, and anytime so many people are moved to discuss and
debate African history must be seen as a good time, indeed, for our
field. We are, after all, scholars, not devotees of a religion or an
ideology, and the free exchange of ideas without vilification or
name-calling is one of the fundamental aspects of the scholar's
calling.=20
Like so many of my contemporaries in African and African American
Studies, I came of age in the early sixties, just as many African
countries were gaining their independence. I was ten years old in 1960,
that great year of African independence, and for reasons even I do not
understand, I busied myself memorizing the names of each African
country, its capital, and its leader, pronouncing their names as
closely as I could to the way our evening news commentator did on the
nightly news.=20
Enamoured of Africa and keenly curious about socialism, I spent the
1970-1971 academic year living in an Ujamaa village in central
Tanzania, where I was trained to deliver general anesthesia at an
Anglican Mission Hospital. After an extended time there at Kilimatinde,
I moved to Dar es Salaam, where I lived for two months, then
hitch-hiked across the Equator, managing to travel from Tanzania
through Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, and the Congo, by land and by river,
from the Indian Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without leaving the ground.
By the age of 20, I had traveled through nine African countries,
saddened only that illness a severe case of dysentery prevented me from
fulfilling another dream, which was to cross the Sahara by land. =20
After graduation from College, where I majored in History, I went to
the University of Cambridge where I enrolled in the Faculty of English,
under the direction of Wole Soyinka. Much of my passion for African
Studies was generated by Soyinka's sublime example, and it is clear to
me today that had it not been for our chance encounter, and my deep
friendship with a fellow African student, Kwame Anthony Appiah, I would
have ended up neither as a professor, nor as a scholar of African or
African American Studies. =20
Soyinka taught me many things, far too many to detail here. But what
most struck me about him was his dictum that a fundamental aspect of
commitment to a field indeed, to one's people, however broadly that may
be defined was the willingness both to praise and to criticize,
whenever the occasion called for one to do so. "Criticism, like
charity," Wole would repeat, again and again like a mantra, "starts at
home." And so, in the pages of his journal, Transition, on whose
editorial board I have sat since 1973, Soyinka attacked the excesses of
brutal dictators such as Idi Amin, Mobutu, or Sani Abacha, as well as
the reluctance of other African and African American intellectuals to
do so in public for fear, somehow, of giving comfort to colonialists,
racists, or neo-colonialists. Since graduate school, I have taken
Soyinka's notion of "tough love" as the ultimate sign of passion and
true commitment that a scholar can demonstrate in his devotion to her
or his field. =20
Like many of my contemporaries, I have long been appalled by the
penchant of white racists to demean, deny, or denigrate the
civilizations that black people have produced on the African continent.
The sustained, systematic attempt of European scholars to lift Egypt
out of Africa, to whiten its people, and to deny its hybrid culture any
influence from sub-Saharan African civilization is one of the great
scandals of Europe's attempt to dominate the African continent and to
justify the enslavement of tens of millions of its people. I vowed to
fight that early on in my career, and as a student produced a 500-page
Ph.D. thesis about the racist discourse of Enlightenment philosophers
such as Hume, Kant, Jefferson, and Hegel, and their denigration of
Africans as a people without reason, and Africa as a "continent without
History. "Wonders of the African World" is my attempt to bring into the
homes of average Africans, African Americans, Europeans, and Americans,
some of the monuments of civilization created by people living in
twelve countries on the African continent, delivered in an accessible=20
form. =20
To do so, I wrote to two dozen scholars in Africa, Europe, and America,
inviting them to send me suggestions for the "seven wonders" of the
African world. I compiled their suggestions into a list of twenty-four,
then grouped these by region. For example, five on my original list the
Sahara, the River Niger, the Grand Mosque at Djenne, the Sankore Mosque
at Timbuktu, and the Dogon people all reside in Mali. Hence, Mali
became a site for one of my programs. =20
Let me state the obvious: I am a professor of literature, not an
historian, an archeologist, or an anthropologist. Accordingly, the
Wall-to-Wall Production Company and I consulted with a wide range of
scholars to shape my approach to this vast and complex subject, on both
the film series and the book that accompanies it. I have attached, at
the end of this piece, a list of some of the scholars whom I consulted.
Each draft of the chapters of my book was critiqued several by
other scholars, none more thoroughly than the chapter on the Swahili
coast, which was reviewed by Ali Mazrui himself, whose opinion of it,
printed on the dust-jacket, reads as follows:=20
"This is more than a book about Africa. It is a study in black
America's profound ambivalence about our shared ancestral continent.
Caught between a distaste for Africa within his own family and his
abiding love for and fascination with Africa, Henry Louis Gates, Jr.,
traverses the continent with a keen eye, a brilliant mind, and an
ambivalent heart."=20
Now, having seen the film series, Professor Mazrui has shared his
reactions and concerns, to which I should now like to respond. Let me
repeat that I cherish the sort of debates and discussions that his
critique has generated, especially given the fact that it has occurred
on the Internet. Perhaps this debate will be recalled by our
descendants as the first such use of the Internet by scholars in
African and African American Studies to air their views. If so, this
will have been a signal moment for our field. =20
Since Professor Mazrui's critique has been so widely disseminated, let
me refer to the questions he raises by implication, by .
Perhaps because of his haste to share his initial responses, his
critique contains a number of factual errors.
1. I did not attempt to "dis-Africanize
ancient Egypt." Rather, I sought to accord ancient Nubia its due
recognition. The difference is critical. I hope to deal with the
question of the color of ancient Egyptians in a special one-hour
documentary that will feature a wide array of experts. I would hope to
invite Maulana Karenga, Molefi Asante, Dr. Ben and Martin Bernal among
those to appear on camera. What do I think about this issue? Though not
an expert, I suspect that if the average ancient Egyptian had shown up
in Mississippi in 1950, they would have been flung into the back of the
bus. And that is black enough for me. But the fundamental fact, on
which there is no reasonable disagreement, is that Egypt is first and
last, an African civilization. (Mazrui mistakenly claims that I am
speaking to a European guide at Abu Simbel. I am not. I am speaking to
an Egyptian. That's a pretty good example of "dis-Africanizing modern
Egypt!)=20
2. The Swahili. Ali erroneously argues that I
failed to consult with Swahili experts, or to put them on camera, or to
include Muslims. This is just not true. Ummi Ali Hammid, the descendent
of Tippu tip, is a Swahili and a Muslim, and it was she that said: "it
was the trend of the time, that was business, purely. You either be a
slave or a slaver. You choose the lesser of the two evils. And if you
are in a position to be a slaver why should you be a slave?" (I assume
that Mazrui is not questioning the fact that thousands of slaves were
sold in Zanzibar.) As for the experts we consulted, look at the list
below. =20
3. Asante and Benin. The source
of the statement about the slave trade that there would have been no
slave trade in these countries without the complicity and collaboration
of the kings (and their representatives) in Asante and Dahomey was not
me, but Dr. Akosua Perbi, a Ghanaian historian.
This is indeed a vexed and painful issue. I know that it was, and
remains, a painful issue for me. How I envy my African friends's easy
accessibility to their people's languages and cultures! How much I
lament all that our ancestors suffered to survive the Middle Passage,
slavery, and Jim Crow racism and segregation. But don't ask me, a
descendant of slaves, to avoid addressing this complex issue, which
disturbs so many of us so deeply simply because it is so confusing, so
troubling, so anguishing. No one I interviewed thought my questions
inappropriate or felt that I wanted to make them fell guilty. I don't
believe guilt to be heritable. I merely wanted to bring a dialogue into
the open between Africans and African Americans that has long been
simmering beneath the surface. We all feel discomfort in discussing
the contributory role of African hierarchies in the slave trade. If
"Wonders" succeeds in opening this deeply buried matter to sober
reflection, then the series will have made an important contribution.=20
Need it be said that to acknowledge that Africans participated in the
slave trade along with Europeans is not to exclude the horrible crimes
of the latter?
4. Ethiopia. Mazrui chides me for interviewing the
Patriarch of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church wearing a T-shirt. The shirt
bears an image from one of the holiest sites in Ethiopian Christendom.
Nevertheless, I myself apologized to the Patriarch on camera for my
inability to return to my hotel to change after shooting another scene
earlier that morning. He accepted my apology and we moved on.=20
As for my supposed "sarcasm" "about the authenticity of the Ark," I
happen to believe that there is an ancient Ark housed in St, Mary's
Church at Axum, and that it most probably is the best candidate for the
ark that some claimed housed Moses' Tablets. (Whether or not you
believe that Moses went up to the mountain, and God inscribed on two
tablets the Ten Commandments is entirely a matter of personal belief.)=20
Let me put it this way: along the way to Ethiopia I interviewed the
Patriarch, Minister Farrakhan, and the Archbishop of Canterbury. Given
the belief system that each represents and claims to believe more or
less literally, why is it so hard to believe that the Ethiopians
possess a holy relic of such antiquity? Why make such a bold claim in
the first place unless someone has solid reason to believe it to be
true? The Ethiopian government, by the way, has hailed the series "for
unveiling so many wonders of Africa and Ethiopia" and for "combating
flat, superficial images." "Wonders" is, it concluded, " a wonderful
piece of work." (Letter from the Embassy of Ethiopia, Washington, D.C.,
November 5, 1999). =20
5. Timbuktu. As Mazrui knows, I have never called
anyone on the African continent or on any other continent a barbarian:
I called the practice of female genital mutilation barbaric, and it is.
And until it is eradicated from the African continent, I shall not
disguise my opposition to it. No apologies there. =20
Second, I did not describe the relation between the Bella and the
Tuareg as slavery; Mr. Baba, my informant, did. What I said was that
the relation between the Bella and the Tuareg was "as close to slavery
as I ever want to get." And I mean that. I will not do Ali the
discourtesy of suggesting that he aimed to defend a relationship of
domination based on heredity and skin color. =20
6. South Africa and Zimbabwe. Ali's only objection
to this is that it is a "tourist travelogue "Wonders" is an
autobiographical essay, narrated and written by an African American,
one who has traveled extensively by land and water from Johannesburg to
Cairo, from Zanzibar to Dakar, on over 50 trips to the Continent; The
whole series was framed as a travelogue which allowed me to show both
the diversity of the vast African continent and the African peoples
themselves. =20
I am proud of "Wonders of the African World," and I stand by the mode
of film making that it embodies. As I said at the outset, I relish
debate and the free exchange of ideas. Ali Mazrui is an admired friend;
but in his haste to share his disagreements with me on the Internet, he
has accused me of saying several things that I simply did not say. =20
Yet I think there is a deep difference in attitude between us that
underlies Ali's response to my series. The role of African
collaboration in the slave trade (though hardly a major part of my film
series) is anguishing to me. He displays no such anguish. While
intellectually I know that kingdoms engaged in war and sold their enemy
captives to Europeans, and that they did not think of these captives as
"fellow Africans" still I wonder why the King of Dahomey forced the
slaves to march around the "Tree of Forgetfulness" six ,
counter-clockwise, so that they would forget those who had enslaved
them into the horrors they would face on the Middle Passage and in the
New World, so that their souls would not return to Dahomey to haunt the
guilty. (Go to the Route des Esclaves in Benin and see the tree
yourself.) Does this sound as though those in Africa were unaware of
the depth of suffering that New World slavery held? Does it not suggest
they felt guilty about it? You decide. But don't ask me not to wonder
what in the world was on these brothers' minds when they sold other
black people to these strange Europeans! =20
Let me end with a piece of good news. So many people have asked me
about the fate of the books at Timbuktu. When I returned from filming
in Mali, I secured a grant from the Mellon Foundation to catalogue the
manuscripts that we filmed, to construct a building to house them, and
ultimately to digitize and translate them. The film series would have
been justified, in my opinion, if this accomplishment had been the sole
benefit that generated. The Malian government and the W.E.B. Du Bois
Institute at Harvard are collaborating jointly on this crucially
important project. =20
I invite all who would care to discuss these ideas further to
participate in an on-line chat that we shall conduct soon on our
website, Africana.com. Please check the site for further details.=20
Henry Louis Gates, Jr. =20
List of Consultants:
For the film series, we consulted, among others, the following
scholars: =20
Our series consultant was Dr David A Anderson, from the African History
Department at SOAS. =20
The Slave Kingdoms: We interviewed Dr Akosua Perbi, from the History
Department at the University of Ghana, Legon. Her research area is the
history of West African indigenous slavery and West African involvement
in the transatlantic slave trade.=20
At the research stage, we also consulted Professor John Fynn ( a
Ghanaian), also from the History Department at University of Ghana. =20
On Asante history we spoke to: Dr Tom McCaskie, Centre for West African
Studies, University of Birmingham Professor John Aquandah, authority on
early Akan history in Ghana. Prof. Adu Boahen, authority on Asante
history. Formerly of University of Ghana at Legon and at Kumasi, now
retired. Professor Mawere Opoku, also at Legon. =20
Of course, as those who saw the program know, we also interviewed the
Oheneba Adusei Poku, son of the late Asantehene, who was quite open
about the role of the Asante rulers in the slave trade. =20
In Benin, we consulted with and interviewed Dr Joseph Adande, art
historian from the Facult=E9 des Arts et des Lettres at the University of
Benin, Cotonou, who specializes in the history of the kingdom of
Dahomey, and the chief consultant to the Royal Palaces of Abomey
Museum.=20
Swahili: David Anderson was our principal consultant for the Swahili
programme. Other scholars whom we consulted person and through their
work in the course of our research were: Dr Farouk Topan, lecturer in
Swahili and cultural forms, SOAS (Zanzibari) Dr Mark Horton, Dept. of
Archaeology, University of Bristol (principally Shanga and the
archaeology and history of the Lamu area). =20
On Zanzibar, we spoke to: Prof. Abdul Sherrif, U. of Dar es Salaam Also
principal curator of Dept. Antiquities in Zanzibar, campaigning for the
preservation of Old Town
Nubia:=20
Dr Ali Osman Saleh, Department of Archaeology, University of Khartoum
Dr Hassan Hussein, Director, Dept of Antiquities, Museum of Khartoum Dr
Salah ad Din, Dept of Antiquities, Museum of Khartoum Dr Zahi Hawass,
Director of Antiquities, Pyramid District, Cairo =20
Holy Land (Ethiopia):
Roderick Grierson and Stuart Munro-Hay, Dr David Phillipson, Dept of
Archaeology and Anthropology, Univ. of Cambridge (an archeologist
working at Axum), Dr Richard Pankhurst=20
Dr Merid Woldearegay Chairman
History Dept=20
Addis Ababa University =20
Tsegaye Gabre Nadhin=20
Poet/playwright/translator =20
Professor Teddesse Tamrat =20
Addis Ababa University Press=20
Dr Abdussamad Ahmad=20
Director of Institute of Ethiopian Studies=20
Addis Ababa University=20
Ato Jarra Hailemariam Head
Centre for Research and Conservation of Cultural Heritage
CRCCH=20
Nubre'id of Aksum=20
(Chief Priest) =20
Timbuktu:
Dr Kevin MacDonald=20
Institute of Archaeology
UCL =20
Dr Samuel Sidibe Director,=20
Musee National, Bamako,=20
Mali=20
Dr Tereba Togola Directeur,
Institut des Sciences Humaines, Bamako, Mali =20
Dr Boubakar Diaby=20
Chef de la mission culturelle de Djenne (UNESCO)=20
Dr Timothy Insole (archaeologist)=20
St John's College, Cambridge =20
Mohammed Dicko, director of Centre Ahmed Baba, Timbuktu=20
Ali Ould Sidi, Chef de la Mission Culturelle, Timbuktu =20
South Africa/Zimbabwe:=20
UNIVERSITY OF ZIMBABWE History dept
Dr Gilbert Pwiti
Proof Peter Garlake =20
UNIVERSITY OF CAPE TOWN=20
Professor Martin Hall =20
For the book, I also consulted with the following scholars: =20
Professor David Anderson (All Segments)=20
School of Oriental Studies University of London =20
Professor Emmanuel Akyeampong (Ghana and Dahomey)
Department of History=20
Harvard University =20
Professor Anthony Appiah (Ghana and Dahomey)=20
Department of History=20
Harvard University =20
Professor John Hunwick (Mali)
Department of History=20
Northwestern University =20
Professor Kevin McDonald (Mali)=20
Department of Archeology=20
University of London=20
=20
Professor Martin Hall (South African and Zimbabwe)=20
Department of Archeology=20
University of Capetown=20
Professor John Middleton (Swahili)=20
Department of History=20
Yale University=20
Dr. Roderick Grierson (Ethiopia)
Independent Scholar Author of The Ark of the Covenant =20
Professor Harold Marcus (Ethiopia)=20
Department of History=20
University of Michigan=20
Professor Ali Mazrui (Swahili)=20
Department of African Studies=20
SUNY at Binghamton =20
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Madiba or any Member for that matter,
If perchance anyone of you had saved Prof. Ali A. Mazrui's "Preliminary
Critique on the Wonders of the African World" by Mr. Gates, can you please
re-post it for I have mistakenly deleted mine.
Thanks in advance,
OB Silla.
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Let me reveal this: Ebrima Cessay and I are very good friends and former
colleagues at the Daily Observer. There, we enjoyed a good working
relationship, and endured some excruciating pain - of a malady afflicting
many an African journalist, struggling to be free and honest in a political
environment well-marinated in authoritarianism. Our bad experiences with the
Jammeh regime brought, and continue to bring, us closer together.
Oftentimes, our views do share a lot in common.
However, I do not agree with some of his arguments in his comparative
assessement of the good of civilian as opposed to the bad of military, rule
in The Gambia. While the central idea of his article has some tangibility,
it may not be churlish to say that his arguments do not follow the guided
accuracy of thoughtfulness and careful scrutiny. Ebrima is certainly right
that there now exists a modicum of liberalism that was absent during the
transitional period. This liberalism is a consequence of the tender mercies
of civilianism, not Jammeh's own making.
True, time was during the transition, when military despotism held captive
our society's political imagination. Our nation was gripped by the
psychological trauma of the mysterious deaths of former finance minister
Ousman Koro Ceesay and former AFPRC spokesman Sadibou Hydara. And the
November 11, 1994 "counter coup" in which a crop of officers of the Gambia
National Army perished. And the human rights violations. And the rampant
soldier-beatings in the streets. As a reporter roving the neighbourhoods, I
chanced upon numerous cases of soldiers taking the law into their own hands
and bullying innocent civilians.
In front of the Daily Observer building - a newspaper house! - I once saw an
army seargent come out of his car, wrestled a bicyclist on the ground and
hurled him numerous slaps. His only crime, after I investigated the
incident, was that he had simply crossed the driveway of the army seargent.
In an another incident, I saw three young men lying on the floor inside the
NIA headquarters, being trampled upon and kicked by a phalanx of NIA agents.
When I tried to investigate the matter with the NIA, I was also meted out
the same punishment, dragged all the way to a detention room.
Ebrima is right about the dangers inherent in the transitional period. M.C.
Cham and others couldn't travel in those days, O .A Jallow couldn't
challenge the constitutionality or lack of, the decrees of the military
regime. The liberalism now enjoyed, according to Ebrima, is making all these
people do what they couldn't during the transition. He said he saw M.C. Cham
at the airport the other day, traveling to The Gambia?
Evidently M.C Cham can now travel, but what about the deputy secretary
general of the UDP Yaya Jallow? He has not been able to travel overseas to
see his children because the authorities reportedly hold his passport. And
those of his colleagues, too. The AFPRC clamped down on the press, fired
judges at will, violated human rights with impunity during the transition,
and the same excesses are being perpetuated in the Second Republic.
Ebrima sounds very apocalyptic about the uncertainties of the transitional
period. But it is not as if The Gambia were enveloped in Cimmerian darkness.
It is not as if the AFPRC were a sickly-famished bear lying in wait in the
woods, ready to devour any unsuspecting stranger. And it is not as if the
Gambian people willingly submitted themselves to the bestiality of the
AFPRC. They crafted ways of expressing their feelings and guarded whatever
was left of their few freedoms and liberties.
Never mind the despotism of the transitional period, it arguably had some
semblance of positivity that the "liberalised authoritarianism" has not
given us. During the transition, Gambian optimism was heightened by Jammeh,
who rode to power on a crest wave of national euphoria. He mulled the idea
of presidential term-limits so that no other person could rule us
perpetually like Jawara. He promised a new era of accountability,
transparency and probity. He promised to respect press freedom. He promised
that he and his council members would face commissions of inquiry in a bid
to show exemplary conduct of accountability and transparency. At least,
Jammeh sounded a democrat during the transition, and Gambian hopes were
buoyed by his promissory declarations. Which, in itself, was arguably a
healthy lubricant in the functioning of our body politic in those tense
moments.
But civilian rule has meant nothing in this regard. Jammeh's contempt for
democracy is openly displayed. He has not actualized his promises. He said
commissioners who didn't support his government risked dismissal. And as if
ordered to emphasise Jammeh's warning in trenchant tones, Youths and Sports
Minister Yankuba Touray, told an APRC rally that Gambian civil servants were
to bestow total allegiance on the APRC government or risked joining the
firing line.
So, in both the transitional period and current-day, we observe the
prevalence of the good and the bad in each case. But if we focus too much on
this dichotomy, we are bound to lend absurdity to our rationality. Examining
the political undercurrents of the transitional period and its aftermath in
a broader perspective, enables us to go beyond polarizing specifics and
concentrate on the totality of the military coup and its concomitants.
What "liberalised authoritarianism"? To what extent has it translated into
the greater good for Gambian society? It means little or nothing as long as
this modicum of liberalism is the handiwork of institutional framework, not
necessarily the free-will offering of an unreformed, unchecked leadership.
All good governments are grounded in the sacredness of accountability and
transparency to its citizenry. And the primary function of any government is
to protect the liberties and freedoms of its citizens. But where a
government is more powerful than its citizens, refuses to be accountable and
transparent, refuses to reform itself, the presence of any liberalism,
however scanty, remains only a facade, not a reality enshrined in the
collective conscience of the leaders and the led. That is the sad reality
about The Gambia.
Ebrima says that Gambians voted for Jammeh simply for the fear that his
defeat would have caused "turmoil." That is preposterous to me. But if
that's indeed the reason for voting Jammeh into power, then woe betide us.
In my opinion, Jammeh was voted president not because his defeat would have
triggered unrest, but out of mass gullibility and ignorance, a political
culture that Jawara bequeathed to Jammeh. And which, Jammeh - perhaps
irremediably, but certainly willingly - shoved deeper down the arteries of
our nation's political psyche, much to his advantage. The tragedy
continues...
Coach, no hard feelings, man. Just trying to speak my mind. Thanks for the
article. At least, it is generating a healthy debate.
Cherno Baba Jallow
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI
From: Abdoulaye Saine <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Some useful comments/observations
>Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:26:21 -0500
>
>Ebrima Ceesay, Musa Jeng, Jabou Joh, Bakary Sonko, Katim Touray and
>Saiks Samateh:
>
>The ongoing debate is healthy and I commend you and all those who
>responded to my earlier posting "It is Time To Heal." I have compiled
>the responses to the posting and will provide a summary of the various
>comments and suggestions.
>
>Regarding "some useful comments/ observations" by Ebrima Ceesay, I could
>not agree more with his analysis. John Wiseman and I have made similar
>comments elsewhere. Wiseman, who is British, has written a lot on
>Gambia. It is this "opening" in Gambia's political landscape that we
>must use as an entry point. We can debate the modalities later. Ebrima,
>keep up the good "comparative" analysis!
>
>Abdoulaye Saine
>
>Keep up the Good work!
>
>Abdoulaye
>
>
>ebrima ceesay wrote:
> >
> > Gambia L,
> >
> > As I stated in a previous posting to the L, I am not holding a brief for
>Mr
> > Jammeh on this matter.
> >
> > However, for the sake of a healthy debate, I'll react to the
>points/concerns
> > raised by brothers Musa Jeng and Saiks Samateh.
> >
> > But before giving my reaction, I must say that for me it is very
>encouraging
> > to observe that the Gambian mind has now become more fact-finding, more
> > cross-questioning and more empirical.
> >
> > Gambians are now, more than before, asking very relevant questions,
> > listening more attentively, and dissecting issues more carefully, in
>order
> > to be in a better position to discern the truth from the sham.
> >
> > It is also refreshing to observe on the L, nowadays, that despite our
> > differences in thoughts and beliefs, we are now beginning to debate in a
> > more healthy manner. That's very reassuring, and we certainly need to
> > maintain the habit.
> >
> > Henceforth, let us try and listen to each other's views, even if one
>does
> > not subscribe to such views. Tolerating your opponent's views, if I may
>put
> > that way, does no harm to you, of course, provided that such views are
> > expressed respectfully.
> >
> > In fact, I am reminded, at this point, of what the celebrated African
> > American scholar, William E.B Du Bois, said in one his numerous
>speeches.
> >
> > To paraphrase it, he said that in order to get to the facts, it was
> > necessary that we listened to not only what we believed, but also what
>we
> > did not believe.
> >
> > Now, let me try and respond to the issues raised by Saiks and Mr Jeng.
> >
> > In my piece titled, "Some useful comments/observations", I had made the
> > following statement: "That the fundamental question to be asked now, in
>my
> > view, is whether a badly flawed transition was preferable to a
>continuation
> > of undiluted military rule."
> >
> > I had concluded as follows: "That in my view, and in the view of many
> > observers of the Gambia's political scene, in spite of all its
> > imperfections, the change did mark a limited movement away from military
> > dictatorship and toward a kind of 'liberalised authoritarianism'."
> >
> > Now, Mr Jeng wanted me "to revisit the thought process behind the
>phrase."
> >
> > Semantic aside, he also asked me whether the people are better of with
>one
> > or the other. Lastly, he asked me whether both "could lead to the same
> > political doldrums and socio-economic backwardness."
> >
> > First of all, let me say that phrases/terms such as pure
>authoritarianism,
> > liberalised authoritarianism etc are used in Comparative Politics.
> >
> > There is more to these terms, but to simplify them, I would say pure
> > authoritarianism, as the name implies, is absolute dictatorship and
> > liberalised authoritarianism is still a dictatorship, but where people
>can
> > make limited criticism.
> >
> > Mr Jeng, in my view, both liberalised authoritarianism and total
> > dictatorship are all cruel systems which ought to be dismantled. No
>people
> > deserve either of the two, because both systems are repressive.
> >
> > However, permit me to try and explain why I said that a badly flawed
> > transition in the Gambian situation, in my view, was preferable to a
> > continuation of undiluted military rule.
> >
> > Here, I must tell Saiks that I didn't imply that there was a significant
> > difference between the Gambia during the transition period and now. I am
> > aware of the injustices, the corruption etc in our Nation. I know that
>our
> > Nation is still bleeding and only God knows what can save her.
> >
> > But, in my view, there were certain barbaric acts, permissible when the
> > Gambia was under undiluted military rule, that cannot be permitted or
> > tolerated now.
> >
> > I maintain that Jammeh's hands, as I stated before, are a little bit
>tied,
> > now that he is a so-called civilian leader. Yes, as Saiks rightly
>pointed
> > out, the opposition parties and the Gambian civil society are determined
>to
> > see to it that their fundamental rights and freedoms are not trampled
>upon.
> >
> > But the transitional arrangements, as bad as they were, have provided
>the
> > basis on which the opposition parties and the Gambian civil society can
>now
> > challenge the "unlawful arrest, detention and torture" Saiks is talking
> > about.
> >
> > Today, Lamin Waa Juwara, for instance, can criticise Jammeh, on a daily
> > basis, and Jammeh will think twice, perhaps even three times, before
> > ordering for the arrest of Waa Juwara, not because Jammeh is afraid of
>Waa
> > Juwara, but because there is a legal frame in place restricting Jammeh.
> >
> > The new Constitution, as seriously flawed as it is, has restrained Mr
>Jammeh
> > a little bit. Saiks talked about the kidnapping of Shyngle Nyassi.
> >
> > Now, if the Gambia was still under undiluted military rule, Shyngle will
> > never have been released, and there would not have been any basis on
>which
> > his illegal detention could have been challenged.
> >
> > When the Gambia was under undiluted military rule, the junta had enacted
>a
> > Decree, nullifying writs of Habeas Corpus.
> >
> > Habeas Corpus is a writ requiring a person under arrest, or
>imprisonment, to
> > be brought before a judge in a court of law, to investigate the legality
>of
> > his arrest and detention.
> >
> > Now, during the transition period, when the Gambia was under undiluted
> > military, Lamin Waa Juwara was kidnapped by the regime, and detained for
> > over a year. Amnesty International, the Gambia's Development Partners,
>the
> > Gambian civil society had all urged Jammeh to release Waa Juwara, but to
>no
> > avail.
> >
> > However, this time around when Shyngle Nyassi was kidnapped, the
> > transitional arrangements, as flawed as they were, provided the basis on
> > which Nyassi's kidnapping can be challenged in a court of law.
> >
> > And when the Judge ordered the security forces to release him, they had
>to
> > do so, I am sure, against their desire, but they had no choice.
> >
> > The transitional arrangements, as bad as they were, have also provided a
> > National Assembly, where critical discussions of public concerns can now
> > take place.
> >
> > Yes, the Speaker of the House, Mustapha Wadda, is partisan and has, in
>fact,
> > used the powers of his office to block critical motions.
> >
> > But in an effort to get around this obstacle, opposition MPs, especially
>the
> > MP of my constituency, Hamat Bah, having been making the most of the
> > adjournment debates that occur at the end of each assembly session, and
> > during which MPs may raise any issue they choose.
> >
> > Here I must point out that while these debates do not allow the
>introduction
> > of new motions, or the questioning of Secretaries of State, they do,
> > notwithstanding, provide a public forum for the criticism of
>government's
> > policies and actions.
> >
> > Hamat Bah has been using this platform very effectively.
> >
> > >From outside, it would be difficult to see any difference between the
>Gambia
> > then and now, but those of us who were on the ground during time when
> > decrees were being used to govern us would dare to say that a badly
>flawed
> > transition was preferable to a continuation of undiluted military rule!
> >
> > Again, I'll not hesitate to repeat that, in my view, in spite of all its
> > imperfections, the change did mark a LIMITED movement away from absolute
> > dictatorship and toward a kind of a less harsher dictatorship, call it
> > liberalised authoritarianism or whatever.
> >
> > One does not have to agree with me. In fact, why should he/she? But
>having
> > said that I know, for a fact, that my views are in line with present day
> > research on the Gambia.
> >
> > In conclusion, I must say that some people are yet to realise how
>DELICATE
> > and volatile the transition period in the Gambia was.
> >
> > Many people don't still know that during the transition period, the
>Gambia
> > could have easily become another Liberia, if we did not have people like
> > Halifa Sallah, who could always come up, at the right time, with
>appropriate
> > crisis management mechanisms, to diffuse a potential crisis.
> >
> > The situation was also helped by the fact that Jammeh, in the end, did
>win
> > the election. At one point, the tension was so high and frightening,
> > especially the week before the presidential election, that I, for one,
>had
> > thought that an unrest was inevitable!
> >
> > I remember a senior diplomat telling me and Mick Slatter, the BBC
> > correspondent who came to cover the presidential election, that for the
>sake
> > of the continued peace and stability of the Gambia, he wanted Jammeh to
>win
> > the election.
> >
> > This particular diplomat never liked Jammeh, whether his person or his
> > policies, but having read the political situation in the Gambia at the
>time,
> > he said if he were to vote in the election, he would vote for Jammeh not
> > because he subscribed to his policies, but because Jammeh's victory
>would
> > ensure the continued peace and stability of the Gambia.
> >
> > Yes, there is no dispute about the fact that the electoral process was
> > extremely flawed, and it gave Jammeh massive advantages. But despite the
> > unfairness of the electoral process, the opposition could have still won
>the
> > election if the voters were sure that electing the UPD, for example,
>would
> > not have caused an unrest in the country if you know what I mean.
> >
> > The electoral process was seriously flawed, but I sincerely believe that
>the
> > actual counting of votes was free. People were fed with military rule,
>and
> > they definitely wanted a change.
> >
> > In fact, I, for one, am certain that under normal circumstances, the
> > opposition would have won the presidential election, even regardless of
>the
> > fact the electoral process was badly flawed.
> >
> > But many voters decided, when saw the kind of tension that was brewing
>in
> > the country, days before the presidential election, to vote for Jammeh
>for
> > the sake of the continued peace, stability and tranquility of the
>country.
> >
> > Now, to understand the logic behind this change of heart by many voters
>who
> > intended to vote for the opposition, I must recall a significant
>statement
> > Darboe made during campaign period.
> >
> > He had said that if he won the election, the junta would have to account
>for
> > their actions, during the transition period, despite the indemnity
>clauses
> > in the new Constitution. That statement frighten the Ruling Military
> > Council.
> >
> > And after Darboe uttered that statement, it was very clear to me,
>especially
> > having listened to some of the remarks Captain Yankuba Touray was
>making,
> > that the junta would have never handed over power if Darboe won.
> >
> > This was the period when Yankuba was announcing at rallies that Jammeh
>would
> > win whether the electorate voted for him or not.
> >
> > What is clear is that many voters who did not want to see our country
> > engulfed in turmoil, decided, at the 11th hour, to vote for Jammeh
>because,
> > in their view, Jammeh's victory would guarantee the continued peace and
> > stability of the Gambia.
> >
> > Mr Jeng, coming to your question on whether both liberalised
> > authoritarianism and total military dictatorship could lead to the same
> > political doldrums and socio-economic backwardness, I'll give you a very
> > strong YES answer. To be continued whenever time permits me.
> >
> > And next time I write on this subject, I'll explain why Jammeh and
>Captain
> > Edward Singhateh, even though they may not necessarily be the best of
> > friends, are still working together very closely.
> >
> > That's why I always laugh at reports that do surface, from time to time,
> > that Jammeh is about to sack or arrest Singhateh.
> >
> > I remember a week or so before Captain Ebou Jallow defected to
>Washington
> > DC, he met me AFRA FM on Kairaba Avenue, he then was overseeing the
>Ministry
> > of External (Blaise Jagne was away), and he started lamenting about
> > Singhateh, especially his behaviour in the then ruling council meetings.
> >
> > Ebrima Ceesay,
> > Birmingham, UK.
> >
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Mr Saidykhan,
Thanks very much.We are very responsible.
BYE Mrs. Fatoumatta Jahumpa Ceesay.
Seedy SaidyKhan wrote:
> MS Press Secretary,
>
> Well, I do not think Mr. Saidy is worried about you at all. All he is asking
> you is to shed some light on a subject that is of immense public interest. I
> vehemently believe that in your capacity as the Press Secretary/PRO at the
> State House, your viewpoint on the matter in question will be of supreme
> significance than that of Mr. Ebrima Ceesay's. So will you please get the
> accurate details from President Jammeh and make them known to the public. Mr.
> Ebou Jallow is either speaking or someone is speaking on his behalf. So we
> need to hear from Mr. Jammeh about the missing millions of dollars.
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> We are looking forward to comments and reactions from the State House with
> high anticipation.
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In a message dated 11/14/99 6:17:19 AM Central Standard Time,
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<< What "liberalised authoritarianism"? To what extent has it translated into
the greater good for Gambian society? It means little or nothing as long as
this modicum of liberalism is the handiwork of institutional framework, not
necessarily the free-will offering of an unreformed, unchecked leadership.
All good governments are grounded in the sacredness of accountability and
transparency to its citizenry. And the primary function of any government is
to protect the liberties and freedoms of its citizens. But where a
government is more powerful than its citizens, refuses to be accountable and
transparent, refuses to reform itself, the presence of any liberalism,
however scanty, remains only a facade, not a reality enshrined in the
collective conscience of the leaders and the led. That is the sad reality
about The Gambia.
Ebrima says that Gambians voted for Jammeh simply for the fear that his
defeat would have caused "turmoil." That is preposterous to me. But if
that's indeed the reason for voting Jammeh into power, then woe betide us.
In my opinion, Jammeh was voted president not because his defeat would have
triggered unrest, but out of mass gullibility and ignorance, a political
culture that Jawara bequeathed to Jammeh. And which, Jammeh - perhaps
irremediably, but certainly willingly - shoved deeper down the arteries of
our nation's political psyche, much to his advantage. The tragedy
continues...
Coach, no hard feelings, man. Just trying to speak my mind. Thanks for the
article. At least, it is generating a healthy debate.
Cherno Baba Jallow
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI
*******************************
Cherno Baba, l couldn't agree more. This is the point l was trying to put
across, but could not do it as eloquently as you have done here. l also
echoe that this is no attack on Ebrima, but merely the truth as evidenced by
all that has transpired since the coup and ensuing so-called civilian
rule.
Jabou Joh
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May his soul rest in peace. My condolences to the family.
Jabou
In a message dated 11/14/99 3:48:53 AM Central Standard Time,=20
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Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji`uun
The death of Daddy Robert King was annnounced this morning.
He was a very good friendly person,and he was one of the elder=B4s
who was try very hard to see that the Gambian`s in Denmark are
together and have fun.When ever you meet him,he try to make jokes
with people.The burial will be announce later when we find out.
We will miss him very much,but God the Almighty know`s the best.
=20
May his soul rest in perfect peace.
My sincere condolences to all the entire family and the rest of the
Gambian`s.
=20
May God! recompense us for our affliction and replace it for us with
something better.
we also ask God! to shower him with His Mercy and grant him
forgiveeness....Ameen!!!!!
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Mr. Jallow,
I subscribe to your views. Thanks.
Saul
>From: chernob jallow <[log in to unmask]>
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>Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 04:16:31 PST
>
>Let me reveal this: Ebrima Cessay and I are very good friends and former
>colleagues at the Daily Observer. There, we enjoyed a good working
>relationship, and endured some excruciating pain - of a malady afflicting
>many an African journalist, struggling to be free and honest in a political
>environment well-marinated in authoritarianism. Our bad experiences with
>the
>Jammeh regime brought, and continue to bring, us closer together.
>Oftentimes, our views do share a lot in common.
>
>However, I do not agree with some of his arguments in his comparative
>assessement of the good of civilian as opposed to the bad of military, rule
>in The Gambia. While the central idea of his article has some tangibility,
>it may not be churlish to say that his arguments do not follow the guided
>accuracy of thoughtfulness and careful scrutiny. Ebrima is certainly right
>that there now exists a modicum of liberalism that was absent during the
>transitional period. This liberalism is a consequence of the tender mercies
>of civilianism, not Jammeh's own making.
>
>True, time was during the transition, when military despotism held captive
>our society's political imagination. Our nation was gripped by the
>psychological trauma of the mysterious deaths of former finance minister
>Ousman Koro Ceesay and former AFPRC spokesman Sadibou Hydara. And the
>November 11, 1994 "counter coup" in which a crop of officers of the Gambia
>National Army perished. And the human rights violations. And the rampant
>soldier-beatings in the streets. As a reporter roving the neighbourhoods, I
>chanced upon numerous cases of soldiers taking the law into their own hands
>and bullying innocent civilians.
>
>In front of the Daily Observer building - a newspaper house! - I once saw
>an
>army seargent come out of his car, wrestled a bicyclist on the ground and
>hurled him numerous slaps. His only crime, after I investigated the
>incident, was that he had simply crossed the driveway of the army seargent.
>In an another incident, I saw three young men lying on the floor inside the
>NIA headquarters, being trampled upon and kicked by a phalanx of NIA
>agents.
>When I tried to investigate the matter with the NIA, I was also meted out
>the same punishment, dragged all the way to a detention room.
>
>Ebrima is right about the dangers inherent in the transitional period. M.C.
>Cham and others couldn't travel in those days, O .A Jallow couldn't
>challenge the constitutionality or lack of, the decrees of the military
>regime. The liberalism now enjoyed, according to Ebrima, is making all
>these
>people do what they couldn't during the transition. He said he saw M.C.
>Cham
>at the airport the other day, traveling to The Gambia?
>
>Evidently M.C Cham can now travel, but what about the deputy secretary
>general of the UDP Yaya Jallow? He has not been able to travel overseas to
>see his children because the authorities reportedly hold his passport. And
>those of his colleagues, too. The AFPRC clamped down on the press, fired
>judges at will, violated human rights with impunity during the transition,
>and the same excesses are being perpetuated in the Second Republic.
>
>Ebrima sounds very apocalyptic about the uncertainties of the transitional
>period. But it is not as if The Gambia were enveloped in Cimmerian
>darkness.
>It is not as if the AFPRC were a sickly-famished bear lying in wait in the
>woods, ready to devour any unsuspecting stranger. And it is not as if the
>Gambian people willingly submitted themselves to the bestiality of the
>AFPRC. They crafted ways of expressing their feelings and guarded whatever
>was left of their few freedoms and liberties.
>
>Never mind the despotism of the transitional period, it arguably had some
>semblance of positivity that the "liberalised authoritarianism" has not
>given us. During the transition, Gambian optimism was heightened by Jammeh,
>who rode to power on a crest wave of national euphoria. He mulled the idea
>of presidential term-limits so that no other person could rule us
>perpetually like Jawara. He promised a new era of accountability,
>transparency and probity. He promised to respect press freedom. He promised
>that he and his council members would face commissions of inquiry in a bid
>to show exemplary conduct of accountability and transparency. At least,
>Jammeh sounded a democrat during the transition, and Gambian hopes were
>buoyed by his promissory declarations. Which, in itself, was arguably a
>healthy lubricant in the functioning of our body politic in those tense
>moments.
>
>But civilian rule has meant nothing in this regard. Jammeh's contempt for
>democracy is openly displayed. He has not actualized his promises. He said
>commissioners who didn't support his government risked dismissal. And as if
>ordered to emphasise Jammeh's warning in trenchant tones, Youths and Sports
>Minister Yankuba Touray, told an APRC rally that Gambian civil servants
>were
>to bestow total allegiance on the APRC government or risked joining the
>firing line.
>
>So, in both the transitional period and current-day, we observe the
>prevalence of the good and the bad in each case. But if we focus too much
>on
>this dichotomy, we are bound to lend absurdity to our rationality.
>Examining
>the political undercurrents of the transitional period and its aftermath in
>a broader perspective, enables us to go beyond polarizing specifics and
>concentrate on the totality of the military coup and its concomitants.
>
>What "liberalised authoritarianism"? To what extent has it translated into
>the greater good for Gambian society? It means little or nothing as long as
>this modicum of liberalism is the handiwork of institutional framework, not
>necessarily the free-will offering of an unreformed, unchecked leadership.
>All good governments are grounded in the sacredness of accountability and
>transparency to its citizenry. And the primary function of any government
>is
>to protect the liberties and freedoms of its citizens. But where a
>government is more powerful than its citizens, refuses to be accountable
>and
>transparent, refuses to reform itself, the presence of any liberalism,
>however scanty, remains only a facade, not a reality enshrined in the
>collective conscience of the leaders and the led. That is the sad reality
>about The Gambia.
>
>Ebrima says that Gambians voted for Jammeh simply for the fear that his
>defeat would have caused "turmoil." That is preposterous to me. But if
>that's indeed the reason for voting Jammeh into power, then woe betide us.
>In my opinion, Jammeh was voted president not because his defeat would have
>triggered unrest, but out of mass gullibility and ignorance, a political
>culture that Jawara bequeathed to Jammeh. And which, Jammeh - perhaps
>irremediably, but certainly willingly - shoved deeper down the arteries of
>our nation's political psyche, much to his advantage. The tragedy
>continues...
>
>Coach, no hard feelings, man. Just trying to speak my mind. Thanks for the
>article. At least, it is generating a healthy debate.
>
>Cherno Baba Jallow
>Wayne State University
>Detroit, MI
>
>From: Abdoulaye Saine <[log in to unmask]>
>
>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Some useful comments/observations
>>Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:26:21 -0500
>>
>>Ebrima Ceesay, Musa Jeng, Jabou Joh, Bakary Sonko, Katim Touray and
>>Saiks Samateh:
>>
>>The ongoing debate is healthy and I commend you and all those who
>>responded to my earlier posting "It is Time To Heal." I have compiled
>>the responses to the posting and will provide a summary of the various
>>comments and suggestions.
>>
>>Regarding "some useful comments/ observations" by Ebrima Ceesay, I could
>>not agree more with his analysis. John Wiseman and I have made similar
>>comments elsewhere. Wiseman, who is British, has written a lot on
>>Gambia. It is this "opening" in Gambia's political landscape that we
>>must use as an entry point. We can debate the modalities later. Ebrima,
>>keep up the good "comparative" analysis!
>>
>>Abdoulaye Saine
>>
>>Keep up the Good work!
>>
>>Abdoulaye
>>
>>
>>ebrima ceesay wrote:
>> >
>> > Gambia L,
>> >
>> > As I stated in a previous posting to the L, I am not holding a brief
>>for
>>Mr
>> > Jammeh on this matter.
>> >
>> > However, for the sake of a healthy debate, I'll react to the
>>points/concerns
>> > raised by brothers Musa Jeng and Saiks Samateh.
>> >
>> > But before giving my reaction, I must say that for me it is very
>>encouraging
>> > to observe that the Gambian mind has now become more fact-finding, more
>> > cross-questioning and more empirical.
>> >
>> > Gambians are now, more than before, asking very relevant questions,
>> > listening more attentively, and dissecting issues more carefully, in
>>order
>> > to be in a better position to discern the truth from the sham.
>> >
>> > It is also refreshing to observe on the L, nowadays, that despite our
>> > differences in thoughts and beliefs, we are now beginning to debate in
>>a
>> > more healthy manner. That's very reassuring, and we certainly need to
>> > maintain the habit.
>> >
>> > Henceforth, let us try and listen to each other's views, even if one
>>does
>> > not subscribe to such views. Tolerating your opponent's views, if I may
>>put
>> > that way, does no harm to you, of course, provided that such views are
>> > expressed respectfully.
>> >
>> > In fact, I am reminded, at this point, of what the celebrated African
>> > American scholar, William E.B Du Bois, said in one his numerous
>>speeches.
>> >
>> > To paraphrase it, he said that in order to get to the facts, it was
>> > necessary that we listened to not only what we believed, but also what
>>we
>> > did not believe.
>> >
>> > Now, let me try and respond to the issues raised by Saiks and Mr Jeng.
>> >
>> > In my piece titled, "Some useful comments/observations", I had made the
>> > following statement: "That the fundamental question to be asked now, in
>>my
>> > view, is whether a badly flawed transition was preferable to a
>>continuation
>> > of undiluted military rule."
>> >
>> > I had concluded as follows: "That in my view, and in the view of many
>> > observers of the Gambia's political scene, in spite of all its
>> > imperfections, the change did mark a limited movement away from
>>military
>> > dictatorship and toward a kind of 'liberalised authoritarianism'."
>> >
>> > Now, Mr Jeng wanted me "to revisit the thought process behind the
>>phrase."
>> >
>> > Semantic aside, he also asked me whether the people are better of with
>>one
>> > or the other. Lastly, he asked me whether both "could lead to the same
>> > political doldrums and socio-economic backwardness."
>> >
>> > First of all, let me say that phrases/terms such as pure
>>authoritarianism,
>> > liberalised authoritarianism etc are used in Comparative Politics.
>> >
>> > There is more to these terms, but to simplify them, I would say pure
>> > authoritarianism, as the name implies, is absolute dictatorship and
>> > liberalised authoritarianism is still a dictatorship, but where people
>>can
>> > make limited criticism.
>> >
>> > Mr Jeng, in my view, both liberalised authoritarianism and total
>> > dictatorship are all cruel systems which ought to be dismantled. No
>>people
>> > deserve either of the two, because both systems are repressive.
>> >
>> > However, permit me to try and explain why I said that a badly flawed
>> > transition in the Gambian situation, in my view, was preferable to a
>> > continuation of undiluted military rule.
>> >
>> > Here, I must tell Saiks that I didn't imply that there was a
>>significant
>> > difference between the Gambia during the transition period and now. I
>>am
>> > aware of the injustices, the corruption etc in our Nation. I know that
>>our
>> > Nation is still bleeding and only God knows what can save her.
>> >
>> > But, in my view, there were certain barbaric acts, permissible when the
>> > Gambia was under undiluted military rule, that cannot be permitted or
>> > tolerated now.
>> >
>> > I maintain that Jammeh's hands, as I stated before, are a little bit
>>tied,
>> > now that he is a so-called civilian leader. Yes, as Saiks rightly
>>pointed
>> > out, the opposition parties and the Gambian civil society are
>>determined
>>to
>> > see to it that their fundamental rights and freedoms are not trampled
>>upon.
>> >
>> > But the transitional arrangements, as bad as they were, have provided
>>the
>> > basis on which the opposition parties and the Gambian civil society can
>>now
>> > challenge the "unlawful arrest, detention and torture" Saiks is talking
>> > about.
>> >
>> > Today, Lamin Waa Juwara, for instance, can criticise Jammeh, on a daily
>> > basis, and Jammeh will think twice, perhaps even three times, before
>> > ordering for the arrest of Waa Juwara, not because Jammeh is afraid of
>>Waa
>> > Juwara, but because there is a legal frame in place restricting Jammeh.
>> >
>> > The new Constitution, as seriously flawed as it is, has restrained Mr
>>Jammeh
>> > a little bit. Saiks talked about the kidnapping of Shyngle Nyassi.
>> >
>> > Now, if the Gambia was still under undiluted military rule, Shyngle
>>will
>> > never have been released, and there would not have been any basis on
>>which
>> > his illegal detention could have been challenged.
>> >
>> > When the Gambia was under undiluted military rule, the junta had
>>enacted
>>a
>> > Decree, nullifying writs of Habeas Corpus.
>> >
>> > Habeas Corpus is a writ requiring a person under arrest, or
>>imprisonment, to
>> > be brought before a judge in a court of law, to investigate the
>>legality
>>of
>> > his arrest and detention.
>> >
>> > Now, during the transition period, when the Gambia was under undiluted
>> > military, Lamin Waa Juwara was kidnapped by the regime, and detained
>>for
>> > over a year. Amnesty International, the Gambia's Development Partners,
>>the
>> > Gambian civil society had all urged Jammeh to release Waa Juwara, but
>>to
>>no
>> > avail.
>> >
>> > However, this time around when Shyngle Nyassi was kidnapped, the
>> > transitional arrangements, as flawed as they were, provided the basis
>>on
>> > which Nyassi's kidnapping can be challenged in a court of law.
>> >
>> > And when the Judge ordered the security forces to release him, they had
>>to
>> > do so, I am sure, against their desire, but they had no choice.
>> >
>> > The transitional arrangements, as bad as they were, have also provided
>>a
>> > National Assembly, where critical discussions of public concerns can
>>now
>> > take place.
>> >
>> > Yes, the Speaker of the House, Mustapha Wadda, is partisan and has, in
>>fact,
>> > used the powers of his office to block critical motions.
>> >
>> > But in an effort to get around this obstacle, opposition MPs,
>>especially
>>the
>> > MP of my constituency, Hamat Bah, having been making the most of the
>> > adjournment debates that occur at the end of each assembly session, and
>> > during which MPs may raise any issue they choose.
>> >
>> > Here I must point out that while these debates do not allow the
>>introduction
>> > of new motions, or the questioning of Secretaries of State, they do,
>> > notwithstanding, provide a public forum for the criticism of
>>government's
>> > policies and actions.
>> >
>> > Hamat Bah has been using this platform very effectively.
>> >
>> > >From outside, it would be difficult to see any difference between the
>>Gambia
>> > then and now, but those of us who were on the ground during time when
>> > decrees were being used to govern us would dare to say that a badly
>>flawed
>> > transition was preferable to a continuation of undiluted military rule!
>> >
>> > Again, I'll not hesitate to repeat that, in my view, in spite of all
>>its
>> > imperfections, the change did mark a LIMITED movement away from
>>absolute
>> > dictatorship and toward a kind of a less harsher dictatorship, call it
>> > liberalised authoritarianism or whatever.
>> >
>> > One does not have to agree with me. In fact, why should he/she? But
>>having
>> > said that I know, for a fact, that my views are in line with present
>>day
>> > research on the Gambia.
>> >
>> > In conclusion, I must say that some people are yet to realise how
>>DELICATE
>> > and volatile the transition period in the Gambia was.
>> >
>> > Many people don't still know that during the transition period, the
>>Gambia
>> > could have easily become another Liberia, if we did not have people
>>like
>> > Halifa Sallah, who could always come up, at the right time, with
>>appropriate
>> > crisis management mechanisms, to diffuse a potential crisis.
>> >
>> > The situation was also helped by the fact that Jammeh, in the end, did
>>win
>> > the election. At one point, the tension was so high and frightening,
>> > especially the week before the presidential election, that I, for one,
>>had
>> > thought that an unrest was inevitable!
>> >
>> > I remember a senior diplomat telling me and Mick Slatter, the BBC
>> > correspondent who came to cover the presidential election, that for the
>>sake
>> > of the continued peace and stability of the Gambia, he wanted Jammeh to
>>win
>> > the election.
>> >
>> > This particular diplomat never liked Jammeh, whether his person or his
>> > policies, but having read the political situation in the Gambia at the
>>time,
>> > he said if he were to vote in the election, he would vote for Jammeh
>>not
>> > because he subscribed to his policies, but because Jammeh's victory
>>would
>> > ensure the continued peace and stability of the Gambia.
>> >
>> > Yes, there is no dispute about the fact that the electoral process was
>> > extremely flawed, and it gave Jammeh massive advantages. But despite
>>the
>> > unfairness of the electoral process, the opposition could have still
>>won
>>the
>> > election if the voters were sure that electing the UPD, for example,
>>would
>> > not have caused an unrest in the country if you know what I mean.
>> >
>> > The electoral process was seriously flawed, but I sincerely believe
>>that
>>the
>> > actual counting of votes was free. People were fed with military rule,
>>and
>> > they definitely wanted a change.
>> >
>> > In fact, I, for one, am certain that under normal circumstances, the
>> > opposition would have won the presidential election, even regardless of
>>the
>> > fact the electoral process was badly flawed.
>> >
>> > But many voters decided, when saw the kind of tension that was brewing
>>in
>> > the country, days before the presidential election, to vote for Jammeh
>>for
>> > the sake of the continued peace, stability and tranquility of the
>>country.
>> >
>> > Now, to understand the logic behind this change of heart by many voters
>>who
>> > intended to vote for the opposition, I must recall a significant
>>statement
>> > Darboe made during campaign period.
>> >
>> > He had said that if he won the election, the junta would have to
>>account
>>for
>> > their actions, during the transition period, despite the indemnity
>>clauses
>> > in the new Constitution. That statement frighten the Ruling Military
>> > Council.
>> >
>> > And after Darboe uttered that statement, it was very clear to me,
>>especially
>> > having listened to some of the remarks Captain Yankuba Touray was
>>making,
>> > that the junta would have never handed over power if Darboe won.
>> >
>> > This was the period when Yankuba was announcing at rallies that Jammeh
>>would
>> > win whether the electorate voted for him or not.
>> >
>> > What is clear is that many voters who did not want to see our country
>> > engulfed in turmoil, decided, at the 11th hour, to vote for Jammeh
>>because,
>> > in their view, Jammeh's victory would guarantee the continued peace and
>> > stability of the Gambia.
>> >
>> > Mr Jeng, coming to your question on whether both liberalised
>> > authoritarianism and total military dictatorship could lead to the same
>> > political doldrums and socio-economic backwardness, I'll give you a
>>very
>> > strong YES answer. To be continued whenever time permits me.
>> >
>> > And next time I write on this subject, I'll explain why Jammeh and
>>Captain
>> > Edward Singhateh, even though they may not necessarily be the best of
>> > friends, are still working together very closely.
>> >
>> > That's why I always laugh at reports that do surface, from time to
>>time,
>> > that Jammeh is about to sack or arrest Singhateh.
>> >
>> > I remember a week or so before Captain Ebou Jallow defected to
>>Washington
>> > DC, he met me AFRA FM on Kairaba Avenue, he then was overseeing the
>>Ministry
>> > of External (Blaise Jagne was away), and he started lamenting about
>> > Singhateh, especially his behaviour in the then ruling council
>>meetings.
>> >
>> > Ebrima Ceesay,
>> > Birmingham, UK.
>> >
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Mr. O.B. Sillah,
Here it is....
Cheers,
Madiba.
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> >A PRELIMINARY CRITIQUE OF THE TV SERIES by HENRY LOUIS GATES, JR.
> >
> >By Ali A. Mazrui <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> >Since I have myself done a television series about Africa, perhaps I
> >should keep quiet about Skip Gates' WONDERS OF THE AFRICAN WORLD
> >especially since I agreed to write a blurb for his companion book. I saw
> >the book as a special *African-American view of Africa*. But I had not
> >seen the TV series when I wrote the blurb for the book. In any case Skip
> >is a friend with whom I have profound disagreements.
> >
> >I believe the TV series is more divisive than the book. The first TV
> >episode sings the glories of ancient Nubia (understandably) but at the
> >expense of dis-Africanizing ancient Egypt. On the evidence of a European
> >guide, Gates allows ancient Egyptians to become racist whites trampling
> >underfoot Blacks from Upper Nile. Are ancient Egyptians no longer
> >Africans?
> >
> >The second episode of the TV series on the Swahili supremely ignores the
> >scholarly Swahili experts on the Swahili people. He interviews none on
> >camera. Instead Gates decides to confront either carefully chosen or
> >randomly selected members of the Swahili community with racial-questions
> >which were abstracted from survey-forms of North American opinion polls.
> >
> >The program is obsessed with RACE in American terms. Did the people Gates
> >was interviewing have the remotest idea what he was really talking about?
> >What is more, his translator seems determined to give the worst possible
> >interpretation of what was being said by interviewees in a place like
> >Lamu.
> >
> >Who is the best authority on Muslim atrocities in Zanzibar? Well, of
> >course a Christian missionary priest in Zanzibar! Gates does not find it
> >necessary to balance the testimony of such a biased witness with anything
> >else. Any journalist worth his salt would have done better than Gates!
> >
> >I thought that in episode three, which concerned the Trans-Atlantic slave
> >trade, Gates would at last regard the West and the white man as relevant
> >actors in the African tragedy. Before seeing the episode I said to a
> >colleague in Ohio that surely Gates could not deal with the Trans-Atlantic
> >slave trade without regarding the West and the white man as crucial! Boy!
> >Was I wrong? Gates manages to make an African to say that without the
> >participation of Africans there would have been no slave trade! How naive
> >about power can we get?
> >
> >Without the involvement of Africans, there would have been no colonialism
> >either. Without the involvement of Africans, there would have been no
> >apartheid. Without the involvement of African Americans, there would have
> >been no segregationist order in the Old South. Without Jewish capital,
> >there would have been less trans-Atlantic slave trade. Why did Gates pick
> >on the Asante (Ashanti) as collaborators in the trans-Atlantic slave-trade
> >and never mention European Jews at all as collaborators in the
> >slave-trade? (Leonard Jeffreys paid a price for involving the Jews in the
> >trade, but will Gates pay a price for involving the Asante?)
> >
> >I was so afraid that Gates' fourth program would be insulting to Ethiopia
> >that I was relieved that it was merely disrespectful. I wished he was more
> >politely dressed when he was granted an audience to a major religious
> >leader. I wished he kept his sarcasm about the authenticity of the
> >Covenant in check. I wished he did not make as many snide remarks which
> >trivialized other people's values. And I wished viewers were not kept
> >informed on camera as to how many car breakdowns he had had. Surely he had
> >better footage of African scenes!
> >
> >His fifth programme on Timbuktu returned to the issue of Africans
> >enslaving each other. Gates seemed incapable of glorifying Africa without
> >demonizing it in the second breath. Mali and Benin, countries of great
> >*ancient* kings, were also countries of *contemporary* slavery.
> >
> >Gates refused to listen when he was told that the new "slave" could
> >disobey his master, and was free to take autonomous employment. Gates was
> >given this information and chose not to pursue it. Was it really a case of
> >slavery?
> >
> >In this fifth episode Gates chose to denounce "the barbarity of female
> >circumcision". And yet the institution had just been mentioned in passing.
> >There was no attempt to introduce the viewer as to why millions of
> >Africans belonged to this culture of female circumcision in the first
> >place. Africans were not, after all, innate barbarians. So why had this
> >tradition survived for so long? The institution was mentioned as a
> >throw-away "play to the Western feminist gallery" (I am myself opposed to
> >female circumcision but I do not call its practitioners barbarians).
> >
> >His sixth episode on Southern Africa was to be the least upsetting. Gates
> >did try to capture the glories of pre-colonial Southern Africa and did
> >pose some of the challenges of the post-colonial and post-apartheid eras.
> >But even this sixth program was more of a tourist travelogue than a
> >serious portrayal of a people. It is hard to believe that such a TV series
> >was the product of such a brilliant mind!
> >
> >These are my first reactions. If I can bear to view the series again,
> >perhaps I should give it a second chance! But I fear that we have been let
> >down badly.
> >
> >
> >Ali Mazrui is Director, Institute of Global Cultural Studies and Albert
> >Schweitzer Professor in the Humanities, State University of New York at
> >Binghamton, New York, USA; Albert Luthuli Professor-at-Large, University
> >of Jos, Jos, Nigeria; Ibn Khaldun Professor-at-Large, School of Islamic
> >and Social Sciences, Leesburg, Virginia, USA; and the Andrew D. White
> >Professor-at-Large Emeritus and Senior Scholar in Africana Studies,
> >Cornell University, Ithaca, New York, USA.
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Where we belong
From the Vanguard
It was a pleasant surprise when an acquaintance told me that her son who had
emigrated abroad in the mid-nineties, to escape the social upheaval and
encroaching hard times in the country, had returned to roost.
We all had a hard time trying to convince him then that Nigeria will climb
out of the abyss and that he had to hang on in here with the rest of us to
do his share of pulling her out. Like many young people, he thought we were
being sentimental about a hopeless case. "I'm sorry mum, auntie; I have to
obey an inner voice," he had told his mother and me. "All I see around me is
rot and continuing decay. There's no justice anywhere and no-one, absolutely
no-one, cares about the plight of the poor like us."
"You're far from being poor," I told him. "You have a good job with lots of
prospects and you're lucky that there are no financial demands on you. Think
of the thousands of unemployed young graduates in our midst who, several
years after graduation, are still depending on their parents and relatives
for survival."
"I think of them, auntie, and I feel that those who can get out should do
so. I'm disenchanted with everything. Bad roads, no light, no water, no good
transport system; there's danger everywhere you turn.
If you're one of the lucky ones and you have a good means of livelihood, you
have to look over your shoulder with every step you take.
In short, you can't enjoy your good fortune because of those who don't have,
even though you're not responsible for their plight and you're just getting
by yourself. What sort of life is that? I want no part of it as it is right
now. I don't want to remain in a sinking boat."
"Life's not necessarily better abroad," observed the mother. "The people
over there are groaning about unemployment, inflation and danger to lives
and property. Then you also have the natural disasters too. Home is home,
whichever way you look at it. You get more justice in your own country."
"Who says?" asked the youngman, with sarcasm. "Where I work, unworthy people
are promoted over your head if you don't lick the boss's boots. If it isn't
tribal discrimination, it's ethnic discrimination or something else. Anyway,
you always say, make hay while the sun shines, mum, so, this is the time to
get out. I think I'm right. Life isn't perfect abroad, but at least you get
the basic necessities of constant light, water, good road, and a civilised
life. Those are important."
The youngman was born in Europe so visa was not a problem. From time to
time, the mother gave me news of him. He did a short course in his field,
so, that he could get a job with case. At first, he was contented with his
lot, even though he complained about the heavy tax he had to pay as a
bachelor; forty per cent of his salary! Also, he was not being trusted fully
by his employers to perform well. They put him under the supervision of an
indigene who was not as competent or as qualified as he.
"Never mind that, son," his father told him over the telephone. "It's their
land. Just get on with your duties and try to be happy."
"You're right, dad. Mind you, life's good otherwise. I have constant light,
water, and good roads. There are good programmes on radio and the telly and
the shops are well stocked. I have friends of all races. My social life is
great. I go to the parks, the beach, the countryside, etc."
"Fine, enjoy yourself responsibly, son."
"Thanks, dad. I wish you, mum and my siblings could come and live here too."
"No, thank you. We'll slug it out here with the others. When we can afford
it, we'll come and visit, that's all."
"So, what brought him back?" I asked the mother. "Your cooking? His
girlfriend? His family? Or was he er, er...
"No, he wasn't thrown out, neither did he lose his job. Thank God for that.
What made him come home was hearing that three ex-classmates of his had been
elected around the country into the House of Assembly. He was dazed.
Suddenly, he realised that at thirty-two, he could contribute meaningfully
to national development, if he sticks around. Also, he realised that he
stands a better chance of getting on in his career here, and can be in a
position to go spend vacation abroad. Oh, and so many other things. Luckily,
his organisation re-absorbed him. He now agrees that home is home, and that
if people in the developed countries had emigrated to greener pastures,
there would be no development in their land."
I agree totally with that last bit. Our young people emigrate abroad to go
do those jobs which they consider menial here, and they get all the
harassment and insecurity that go with such jobs. I know that the foreign
currencies make all the difference, but why run away and leave the running
of the country to others to do, as they like with? When the competent
abandon ship, the incompetent will rule. Once upon a time, the desire of
most young people was to go study abroad, get the golden fleece as it were,
and then return home to use the knowledge acquired for a better living. We
can still continue to do that.
In fact, our institutions and parastatals should make provision for this. It
will help our development. Parents should encourage our young people
studying abroad to return home after getting the relevant qualifications and
experience. We need them. They are our future.
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Hi Folks,
Hmmmm......interesting!! However, I am neither endorsing nor repudiating
the views expressed in it. Just forwarding it out as FYI.
Cheers,
Madiba.
Sunday Vanguard: Feminique
Why do you want to marry?
The couple wedded traditionally last year. However, the supremacy of the
"White wedding" has become an unfortunate reality in our cultural life.
Perhaps, because of this notion, the girl felt half-married. If she had not
felt half-married, she wouldn't have insisted on stupid conditions that has
now cost her, her happiness.
The guy from the point of view of society has a bright future. He is a
struggling businessman who doesn't have to contend with looking after the
extended family as he comes from a well to do family. The girl is from a
middle class background. Both are from the East.
A few months to the white wedding, she began to make funny demands. She
wanted the guy to move from his Ikeja apartment. She wanted fried rice for
the wedding instead of Jollof rice. She wanted a proper band instead of a
police band. She doesn't want any family interference. She above all wanted
the guy to declare his assets.
All these, in spite of the fact that each family member from the guy's side
had pledged to do something. The elder brother was going to be incharge of
her wedding gown; a yard cost ten thousand Naira. The groom's mother was
going to be incharge of getting the gift plates and so on. The sad thing is
that the marriage has been cancelled. Why? Because (as I feel) the lady
never felt married; she obviously does not know the reason for marriage.
She must have focused too foolishly on the material aspect of marriage where
the woman is supposed to be expensively taken care of. I find the situation
very unfortunate because this couple traditionally got married in 1978 and
almost a year later the lady began to give unnecessary conditions.
Sometimes, (some) women are the cause of their problems. If a woman is so
fixated on riches and a man treats her as a material component without any
spiritual essence; people will say the man is bad. It is not as if it is
totally out of place to know the financial situation of your man, maybe as a
way of knowing how to move your family forward or simply how to comport
yourself; but when you now behave as if that man owes you because he wants
to marry you, it becomes ridiculous.
All right, let us just suppose that the guy is also ruled by materialism, so
what happens to the marriage when there is no money to meet the high taste?
Marriage is acquiring a new definition in our modern world, your man for
health reasons may not be able to make money for some time, and in that case
the woman takes over. Which is what "for better for worse" entails.
A friend told me about this fair dame who does not hide the fact that she
likes money. She even goes as far as boasting to her female friends on how
she gets money from these guys. She is married now. Her husband gives her
fifty thousand every month, but he is hardly around and there is even a
rumour that the husband is dating her best friend. The husband, I understand
had on occasion told her that as far as he was concerned, he satisfies her.
Their marriage is just turning one. It is a very worrisome thing when a
woman goes into marriage with the thought of perpetuating false values
because of the love of money. Such women should not complain when their
husbands treat them the way they ought to be treated: as decorated
mannequins.
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As my brothers before me, I found myself on the bus heading to Georgetown
shortly after the A levels exams in 1988. My ultimate destination was Demfai
15 miles north of G/town which is our second and principal home to fulfill
what we in our family euphemistically call a one year 'posting.' It was a
mandatory full year stay to help in the farms and with the livestock as
opposed to the intermittent help provided during holidays. While I am
intimately familiar with backbreaking work that is subsistence farming, the
specter of having to do a full year of it proved daunting.No longer was I
only an auxiliary farm hand . Both the scope and range of responsibilities
widened to reflect the permanence of my presence. I rose early in the
morning to down a quick breakfast ,set the horses and what passed for
equipment onto carts and trot to the farms. Depending on what the task of the
day was , which ranged from planting , weeding to tending by hoe, it was
always a greulling 7 hour interaction with a scorching sun. Hot, unpleasant
and backbreaking. I particularly dreaded having to hoe corn or millet fields
that have grown to a certain length because under the heat the leaves had
razor sharp impact upon contact with the skin. I ususally returned home by
about 2pm for lunch and a few hours rest before heading back for the
afternoon shift. Sometimes I alternated between pulling an afternoon at the
farms or helping out at the cow herd which generally meant making sure that
the calves are rounded up shortly before their mothers come home and help
with milking and other chores. To a large extent it was less physically
wrenching than the farms , but it too can be a handful if it falls on a day
the herd is to be relocated which in the rainy season has to be done quite
often because after being in one place for a few weeks , the areas where the
livestock lies becomes water logged making it uncomfortable and risky for the
herd. Relocation is often a time consuming undertaking since you are
literally evacuating dozens of cows not only to a new place , but each cow
has to be taken to a carefully selected position within the herd that is
dictated by tradition, superstition and simple pragmatism. For example Alpha
bulls are often pegged at the edge of the herd while older and weaker ones
are put further into the inner part of the herd , the assumption being that
they would be in a position to ward off potential predators. I particularly
enjoyed the across- the-herd banter i would exchange with the herdsman about
his day while we both squat milking . He would talk about how he was
progressing on his quest to learn how to play a flute that one of his
colleagues who was teaching him anytime they met at a central wateringhole
somewhere north of the village. Our equivalent of a dinnertable chat .
At the end of a days work, there isn't much to do in Demfai particularly in
the rainy season. Most people retire early because they are often exhausted.
Since this was usually financially lean times, the ever present Attaya is
reduced to an odd few homes in the village. On full moons , you can find an
occasional amateur fiddle or halam player entertaining at gatherings here
and there. It is usually when courting bachelors who are looking for
perspective spouses come into the village that a palpable since of party can
be felt because they come in groups with boomboxes and a lot of Attaya that
provides for central village entertainment atleast for the duration of their
visit which could be upto four days. I must tell you list members it was a
very much appreciated break from the boredom that is life in a village after
dark.
Shortly before harvesting began, i was given a totally different assignment.
Somehow dad has gotten himself an outboard engine and was planing to mount it
on a Bara (a metal boat) we had in G/town. My task was to get it Bansang and
begin transporting people and their goods once a week to Karantaba where they
had a vibrant "lummo"(open air market). It turned out to be a brilliant idea
because traders and customers had tremendous difficulty getting to Karantaba
because the roads where impassable making the alternative we provided a
reliable and faster route. I took ice, colanut and Sankung Silla product
vendors to the Lummo where they peddled their wares in what is the ultimate
freemarket enterprise bringing together very diverse buyers and sellers in a
virtually unregulated market. The pace was brisk and the atmosphere
freewheeling. From a galloping horse to a warm plate of Bennachin you could
get it all for a price you could negotiate. I loved it.
Shortly thereafter i was back on the bus having done my year to look for job
and begin to face the rigours of life as a somewhat independent adult. I, as
any list member is shaped by what we know . We aprreciate the things that
life has to offer and we are constantly grounded in the knowledge that we as
a people have a begining , a middle and an end as we transistion through
life. What must not do is to forget that we are our brothers keepers and to
whom much is given , much is expected. No can can singularly try to endeavor
to change the world, but we can as a society do all we can to make life
easier for those who are toiling and scrimping to survive daily. Those of us
who got out of the grinding effects of subsistence life have a particular
responsibility to persuade people that hardship need not be perpetual so that
children of my friends in Demfai can go to school and be something other than
farmers who can barely feed themselves despite backbreaking work.
Karamba
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Madiba,
I Thank you for your swift response in this regard and anyone who intended
doing same.
God bless Africa.
Adios,
OB.
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In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
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AMERICAN MUSLIM MEDIA WATCH - 11/13/99
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MUSLIMS QUIT JOBS IN PRAYER DISPUTE
By: Elizabeth Kurylo, The Atlanta Journal - The Atlanta Constitution,
11/13/1999, Page A; 1
Excerpts:
"Anab Aden is a devout Muslim from Somalia who prays five times a day, a
religious obligation that she never misses.
"So when her boss told her she couldn't pray at work, she was stunned.
When the boss suggested that she pray in the bathroom, she was so
offended she quit...
"...Aden is one of 33 Somalis from Clarkston who quit their jobs at
Solectron in Suwanee, where they worked in assembly-line jobs making
cellular phones. They had worked at Solectron from one to six months, and
in the beginning they were allowed to take two five-minute prayer breaks
each day...
"...The Muslim workers would leave the assembly line individually and
cover for each other so the work got done. But when a new boss started,
'everything changed,' Aden said...
"...For three weeks, the Somalis tried to negotiate a settlement that
would allow them to pray during work. They offered to subtract the prayer
time, about 10 minutes, from their 30-minute lunch break. They told the
company that it could deduct the prayer time from their paychecks. The
company rejected both proposals, Aden said.
"The Somalis said management never complained about their work. 'Each
line has to make 500 phones every day and we made more than that, not
less,' said Deqa Mohamed, 21. 'They said our work was good...'
"...In a statement from corporate headquarters in Milpitas, Ca.,
Solectron acknowledges it was asked to address 'unique religious needs of
one particular group of associates.' The company denied it told the
Somalis to pray in the bathroom...
"...In a letter to the head of Solectron in California, S. Eric Shakir,
civil rights coordinator for the Council of American - Islamic Relations
in Washington, said the Somalis are prepared to file a charge of
religious discrimination with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
"In an interview, Shakir said CAIR handled 600 workplace discrimination
complaints last year, 100 of which had to do with prayer breaks.
"'It's generally a misunderstanding or ignorance' when it happens, he
said. 'In one case in Minnesota, we had Muslims who were being told to go
outside to pray in the cold. When we wrote a letter to them, the CEO
immediately provided a space for them to pray inside...'
"...Aden and most of the other Somalis have not yet found new jobs. And
they worry about how to pay rent and meet other financial obligations.
"'We're willing to do anything we have to to pray,' Aden said."
ON THE WEB: Are the Somali workers being discriminated against? Talk
about it: www.accessatlanta.com/community/forums/
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ACTION REQUESTED: (As always, be firm, but POLITE. Hostile comments can
and will be used to harm the image of the American Muslim community.)
Contact Solectron to ask that the workers be re-hired and allowed to
prayer.
Solectron Corporation
Michael E. Donner
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Subject: Women & Islam * The Gender Struggle Part 2
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Jaajef wa G-L,
Here is the second part of the article posted last week. More can be =
obtained by visiting : http://786.co.za/shamima/articles.htm
Yeenduleen ak jaama
Tony
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(cont=27d)
Hence do not covet the bounties which Allah has
bestowed more abundantly on some of you than on
others. Men shall have a benefit from what they =
earn,
and women shall have a benefit from what they =
earn.
Ask, therefore, Allah (to give you) out of His =
Bounty:
behold, Allah has indeed full knowledge of =
everything.
(4:32)
This verse is very clear. That we shall all be =
rewarded
according to what we earn. And also that one will =
be
rewarded for whatever good deeds one does.
There*s also the verse that men and women that do =
good
deeds will be rewarded according to their deeds =
and their
work. Often times we hear the =22hadith=22 that =
when the
Prophet (s) went to Hell he saw more women in Hell =
than
men. If women were more prone to evil, why would =
God
give them equal obligations to do moral good.
These are few of the =22positive=22 verses which =
lay down the
basic principle that gender is not a criterion for
determining the status of the individual.
I would be failing in completing the discussion if =
I left out
the more popular verses used to describe women*s
identity.
Degree above:
Often, to uphold the superiority of men, people =
say that the
Qur*an says that men are a degree above women. And
yes, that*s true. It does say it.
Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping =
themselves
apart, three (monthly) courses. And it is not =
lawful for
them that they conceal that which Allah has =
created in
their wombs if they believe in Allah and the last =
day. And
their husbands would do better to take them back =
in that
case if they desire a reconciliation. And (the =
rights) due
to the woman are similar to (the rights) against =
them, (or
responsibilities they owe) with regard to the =
good
(ma*ruf), and men have a degree (darajah) above =
them.
Allah is Mighty, Wise. (2:228)
This verse refers to a context of a couple getting =
divorced
and there is the possibility of a pregnancy. It =
calls on
women not to conceal their pregnancy. And it is =
better for
their husbands to take them back if reconciliation =
is
possible. While women have similar rights to their
responsibilities, men have a degree of rights and
responsibility above them a degree above them.
This verse is often used to quote the =22degree =
above
them=22. It*s not applied to the context. I*ve =
even heard our
(MYM) members trying to come to grips with men =
being a
=22degree above them=22=21 That*s just accepted. =
The problem
is that it applies to a particular context, not to =
general law
meaning that men are a degree above women. This =
verse
speaks about pregnancy when divorce is taking =
place. If
the wife is pregnant she has no right to conceal =
the
pregnancy. Which is fine. It should be so. Also =
the fact that
the men do have a degree of advantage in taking =
the child
back. The verse speaks about the rights that women =
have
and the rights above them and then speaks about =
men
having a degree above them. So the degree is with
respect to responsibilities (rights against them) =
as well as
rights. We must also remember all the time that =
what they
have has been bestowed by Allah. It*s not from
themselves; it*s from Allah. And they have a =
responsibility
to give.
Maintenance & Beating, Marriage:
Men are qawwamun (maintainers/protectors) of =
women,
for Allah has preferred (faddala) some over =
others, and
(on the basis) of what they spend of their =
property. So
good women are qanitat (obedient), guarding in =
secret
that which Allah has guarded. As from those whom =
you
fear nushuz (rebellion), admonish them, banish =
them to
beds apart, and scourge/beat them. Then, if they =
obey
you, seek not a way against them. (4:34)
Men are maintainers of women because Allah has
bestowed more on some then others. That*s why they =
are
supposed to be maintainers. The fact is they =
generally
have more money than women. Also, the situation of
divorce. If you*re pregnant it*s more of a burden
sometimes and you need assistance.
Then the verse says Allah has bestowed more on =
some
than on others because they have an extra =
responsibility.
So good women are =22qanitat=22. Generally it =
seems from
the Qur*an that the one that contributes more, =
takes on
more responsibility has more rights. The less
responsibilities they have, the less rights they =
have.
Then, if you rebellion from them, there are three =
stages of
correcting: admonish them, banish them to beds =
apart,
and then beat them lightly. The one that causes =
most grief
in the community is that men are allowed to =
=22beat=22 women
or one individual is allowed to beat another, =
especially in
a marriage. This notion has always bothered me. =
But if I
look at the stages through which one goes, through =
the
process, first it*s =22admonish them=22. It says =
=22beat them
lightly=22 then admonishing would be, for example, =
just
saying =22stop it=22 or something like that. Not =
yelling or
shouting, but something light. And then =22banish =
them to
beds apart=22. I don*t believe anybody, any rapist =
or abuser
* according to the profiles for such people * will =
get to the
second stage. Rapists and abusers (that are =
spouses)
generally they*d sleep with her first. Generally =
they sleep
with the victim then beat them then sleep with =
them again.
A normal, good Muslim will never reach that stage, =
the
stage of banishing them. An abusive husband will =
do
things the other way around.
The word =22nushuz=22 is quite a strong word. It =
means
rebellion. And only a =22rebellion=22 allows a man =
to go
through these stages. People are defiant and =
disobedient
everyday; but this =22nushuz=22 is quite strong. =
The issue with
this verse is how we deal with it and how we are =
prepared
to deal with it.
Marriage relationship:
And among His wonders is this: He creates for =
you
mates out of your own kind, so that you might =
incline
towards them, and He engenders Love and Tenderness=
between you: in this, behold, there are messages =
indeed
for people who think. (30:21)
Here is portrayed a relationship that is tender =
and a
relationship that*s based on tenderness and love. =
Here*s
another principle that one can draw on for a =
marital
relationship.
It is lawful for you to go in unto your wives =
during the
night preceding the (day*s) fast: they are as a =
garment for
you, and you are as a garment for them.
Seclusion & separation (Prophet*s wives):
O Prophet=21 say to your consorts: =22If it be =
that desire The
life of this world, And its glitter, then come=21 =
I will provide
for you enjoyment and set you free in a =
handsome
manner.
But if you seek Allah And his Apostle, and the =
home of
the hereafter, verily Allah has prepared for the =
well doers
amongst you a great reward.
O Consorts of the Prophet =21 If any of you were =
guilty of
evident unseemly conduct, the punishment would =
be
double to her, and that is easy for Allah.
But any of you that is devoted in the service of =
Allah and
His apostle, And works righteousness, to her =
shall We
grant her reward twice and We have prepared for =
her a
generous sustenance.
O consorts of the Prophet=21 You are not like =
any of the
(other) women. If you are conscious of Allah, be =
not too
complacent of speech, lest one in whose heart =
is a
disease should be moved with desire. But speak =
you a
speech that is just.
And stay quietly in your houses, and make not =
a
dazzling display, like that of the former =
times of
ignorance; and establish regular prayer and give =
regular
charity; and obey Allah and His Apostle. And =
Allah only
wishes to remove all abomination from you, you
members of the family, and to make you pure and
spotless. (33:28-33).
These verses * the seclusion, the voice story, the =
staying
at home, etc * what one needs to make quite clear =
is that
these verses refer to the Prophet*s wives. =
Firstly, they will
get twice the reward than any other woman will =
get. But
also, there are greater responsibilities and =
restrictions for
what they do. So they*ll get double for doing it, =
as well
double sin.
The verse: =22O consorts of the Prophet=21 You are =
not like
any of the (other) women. If you are conscious of =
Allah, be
not too complacent of speech, lest one in whose =
heart is a
disease should be moved with desire. But speak you =
a
speech that is just.=22 is the verse the Jamiat =
uses to
support their no-woman*s voice position. What is =
clear
here is that firstly it*s speaking to the =
Prophet*s wives only
(which they didn*t mention), and secondly * not =
that they
shouldn*t speak but that they should not speak in
complacent but in just terms, that their speech is =
just.
What the Jamiat also didn*t do is say the last =
bit: =22But
speak you a speech that is just.=22 All they quote =
is: =22If you
are conscious of Allah, be not too complacent of =
speech,
lest one in whose heart is a disease should be =
moved
with desire.=22 That sentence is part of the =
verse, but the
Jamiat chooses not to quote it. For their =
convenience,
they use the verse to support their position. This =
is
devious=21 We often do that.
=22And stay quietly in your houses.=22 Here again =
is the
Tabligh Jamaat position that women should be =
confined
to their homes. People could do that if they like, =
but the
Qur*an is instructing the Prophet*s wives in this =
instance
and not saying it is a general rule.
Challenges
I want to look finally at the challenges that we =
face and that
we need to deal with. The issues here we need to =
deal
with practically.
We should now stop focussing on verses that are
interpreted to imply a lower status of women. We =
of often
ignore the principles. We need to extract these to =
apply to
new practical contexts.
We should also make sure and challenge people who
interpret and use verses of selective & convenient =
text like
the Jamiat*s use of verses to argue that women*s =
voices
can*t be heard. There*s the of pamphlet supporting
women*s voice not being heard, where the supporters=
give weight to their position by quoting only part =
of the
verse only .
Another problem is that =22religious authorities=22=
cannot deal
with these issues and challenges. They are not =
qualified to
do so; there*s a lack of education, experience and
commitment to the reopening of the doors of =
ijtihad. They
are not thinking or reflecting but remain static. =
And we
should ask these =22authorities=22 to also engage =
in ijtihad.
They are also afraid of reform and of challenges =
to their
authority. We must keep challenging them.
Also they don*t respond very well to challenges. =
Everytime
we challenge them, everytime we speak to them, =
they
don*t respond. Around two years ago, when I was =
the
Gender Desk Co-ordinator, I wrote to the Jamiat =
about the
husband*s right to unilateral divorce. They argued =
that it is
Qur*anic, it is Islamic. Then I quoted them a =
whole lot of
verses and told them that these verses showed that
marital relationships don*t adhere to the kind of =
talaq with
a complete lack of consultation. I sent them a =
five-page
letter quoting these verses. They sent me a reply =
asking
Allah to give me hidayah (guidance) and saying =
that I was
very arrogant. This United Ulama Council, this big
organisation with hundreds of maulanas, tells me =
that I*m
arrogant and may Allah give me hidayah and this =
was
their last correspondence with us. I felt sick=21
Another problem is that men write women into their
experiences, For a long time men have been writing =
about
women, men have been writing the interpretations. =
Even if
a progressive man writes about women, it*s from a =
male
perspective. They write us into their experiences. =
Ebrahim
Moosa (a leading South African and international
progressive Muslim theologian and scholar) =
experiences
life much differently than I do. He*s progressive, =
fine=21 But
I*d rather Firdousa (the MYM Gender Desk co-ordinat=
or)
wrote it. It would be more real. Our experiences =
are
different because we*re in an oppressive situation.=
Even some of the women writers that are emerging =
are
the more conservative ones who write from =
tradition. They
don*t change things, they just focus on what*s =
there.
That leads us to the next point. That women =
generally
retain and accept traditional stereotypes. Women =
are
more passionate about retaining tradition than =
men. We
find women often just want to keep the peace. It*s =
in their
family lives and comes out in their wider lives. =
But they
could change, and that*s what we should attempt.
The last issue I want to raise is that Muslim =
Personal Law
is being developed. We need to find out what*s
happening, otherwise we*ll get up with a rude =
shock when
things are already done. We need much reform in =
this
field and a fresh interpretation of MPL.
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Jaajef wa G-L,
For those interested another posting from the website dedicated to
Shamina Shaikh, anti-aparthied activist involved in South Africa's AZAPO
movement and the Muslim Youth Movement.
Yeenduleen ak jaama
Tony
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In the name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Dispenser Of Grace
Woman's Role in Contemporary
Society
Rhodes University
Muslim Students Association Islamic Week 1994
I would like to thank the Muslim Students Association for
giving me this opportunity to speak with you on the issue
of woman which is close to my heart and which is I
believe one of the biggest challenges facing us today as
we move towards a better and just society.
The role of woman, her position and status in society,
and
her nature have been issues of debate and discussion
informed by religion, tradition and culture, misogyny,
feminism and many times downright ignorance and
bigotry.
I am a Muslim and Muslims seek guidance from Allah
through his book the Qur'an and His messenger
Mohammed (pbuh). Muslims believe that the word of God
is supreme and takes precedence over all traditions
cultures.
The Muslim Youth Movement in its struggle towards
realising its goals of establishing a just order based on
the Divine Will and promoting the values and principles of
Islam felt that the area of gender needed redressing. We
therefore established the Gender Desk.
As the head of the MYM Gender Desk and on the many
campaigns we undertake - like getting women to the
mosques, struggling for a just Muslim Family Law system
or simply insisting that the woman's voice be heard - I am
often asked by people who are not Muslim why I do what
I
do, why struggle for the rights of women and particularly
Muslim women. What happened in my past that drove me
to this?
The answer is simple: we respond to the injunction of the
Qur'an to "enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong",
as we did when faced with the terrible injustices of
apartheid and oppression on the basis of race and class.
In discussing the role of women in contemporary society I
have divided my talk into three parts:
1.The perceptions of woman amongst contemporary
Muslim societies.
2.The status, position and role of woman in the Qur'an
and in early Islam from where we derive our
aspirations.
3.Some of the challenges facing us in contemporary
society - more specifically, in South Africa.
You might have heard at some time or the other that Islam
teaches that women are "inferior" and "unequal" to men.
Women are described as weak, inferior, inherently evil (it
is the nature of woman to promote fitnah (mischief)), we
have deficient intellectual capabilities and are spiritually
lacking. Furthermore, these evaluations have been used
to claim that women are unsuitable for performing certain
tasks, or for functioning in some ways in society.
Thus women are barred from mosques and excluded
from other Muslim institutions. The intermingling of the
sexes is frowned upon on the basis that women create
fitnah. The Muslim identity of a woman is restricted and
limited to her dress code.
Specific functions and roles have been attributed to each
sex; the function of woman is often confined to her
reproductive ability. It is known that her primary function
is
to be mother and wife. And that she would be lacking in
her Islamic duty if she in any way did not fulfil this role in
accordance with how society defines it.
Since it is the responsibility of males to provide for
females, women are liberated from all social, political and
economic obligations. They are freed from all these
burdens so they can enjoy the joys of housework and
child-bearing and caring. And this is regarded as the
special status that Islam has accorded woman, thus
liberating her from oppression and suppression over
1400 years ago.
Some traditionalists are of the opinion that "according to
strict Islamic injunctions, it is not obligatory for a woman
to
cook food for her husband or children or wash their
clothes or even suckle the infants. A woman may refuse
to
do all these things without this being made ground for
legal complaint against her. If she undertakes these
duties it is out of sheer grace." Nevertheless, they stress
that man and woman's roles are complementary and the
most important role the women plays is in the family unit.
The same traditionalists also believe that her primary role
is that of a mother and wife and that she needs not
venture from the home and the darkest corners of her
home are best for her. They also limit her freedom to
exercise her will and choice.
It is ironical that all of them claim that Islam liberated
women 1400 years ago. They claim that Islam gave
women the right to equal education and civil and
economic rights, but at the end of their analysis they
come to the conclusion that a woman's place is in her
husband's home and that she should be obedient to him
and the male elite.
How on earth can she enjoy any liberty if she lacks
knowledge, is confined to her home and has minimal
control over her life.
We need to ask: Are these the teachings of Islam or have
they been concocted by some people in order to maintain
control over a sector of society so that they alone can
benefit optimally. It is our duty as Muslims to refresh
people's memories and look to our Glorious Qur'an and
our glorious past. Let us look at the status and position
and role of women in Qur'an and early Islam.
The fundamental principle of Islam is Tauhid - the unity of
the human race under the sovereignty of the One and
Only, Universal Divine Allah. Islam's message of peace
affirms the equality of all human beings, and rejects all
discrimination on the basis of race, class and gender.
Yes, Allah is the Sovereign and we succumb to Him and
put aside our preferences, prejudices, and traditions and
culture which are secondary to Allah's injunctions.
The Qur'an declares the absolute moral and spiritual
equality of men and women.
"For Muslim men and Muslim
women, for believing men and
believing women, for devout men
and devout women, for true men
and true women, for men and
women who are patient and
constant, for men and women who
humble themselves, for men and
women who give in charity, for
men and women who fast (and
deny themselves), for men and
women who guard their chastity,
and for men and women who
engage much in Allah's praise, for
them has Allah prepared
forgiveness and great reward."
(Sura 33:35)
This passage makes a dear statement about the
absolute equality of the human moral condition and
identical spiritual and moral obligations placed on all
individuals regardless of sex. Incidentally, this is one of
the passages that addresses women directly. It is related
that the women asked the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
about why the Qur'an addressed only men when women
too accepted God and His prophet. This questioned
occasioned the revelation of the Qur'anic verses
explicitly
addressing women as well as men - a response that
unequivocally shows Muhammad's (pbuh) and Allah's
readiness to hear women. Thereafter the Qur'an explicitly
addressed women a number of times.
I would like to read Sura 3:195 to you:
"And their Lord hath accepted of
them, and answered them: 'Never
will I suffer to be lost the work of
any of you, male or female. You
are members, one of another:
Those who have left their homes,
or been driven out therefrom, or
suffered harm in My Cause, or
fought or been slain, verily, I will
blot out from them their iniquities,
and admit them into Gardens with
rivers flowing beneath. A reward
from the presence of Allah, and
from His presence is the best of
rewards.'"
Allah clearly tells us here that we are members of one
and
the same human race, and therefore equal to one
another.
We read in the Qur'an that taqwa (God-sconsciousness)
is the only distinguishing factor between humankind.
"O humankind! We created you
from a single (pair) of a male and
a female, and made you into
nations and tribes, that you may
know each other (not that ye may
despise each other). Verily the
most honoured of you in the sight
of Allah is the most righteous (or
God-conscious) of you. And Allah
has full knowledge and is well
acquainted (with all things). (Sura
49:13)
And taqwa - "God consciousness" - is definitely not
determined by gender!
Another interesting fact about women in the Qur'an is
that
the Allah relates instances when woman received wahy
(revelation). Oftentime the assertion is made that there
has never been a female prophet. To that I say that there
is no conclusive evidence that there did not exist a
woman prophet. And yes, women have received wahy.
Allah sent a messenger who carried Allah's message to
Mary (pbuh):
"She placed a screen (to screen
herself) from them; then We sent
her our angel, and he appeared
before her as a man in all
respects. She said: 'I seek refuge
in The Most Gracious from you:
(come not near) if you are
conscious of Allah.' He said: 'No, I
am only a messenger from your
Lord, (to announce) to you the gift
of a holy son.'" (Sura 19:17-19)
Allah also "spoke" to the mother of Musa:
"And We revealed to Musa's
mother, saying: 'Give him suck,
then when you fear for him, cast
him into the river and do not fear
nor grieve; surely We will bring
him back to you and make him
one of the messengers.'" (Sura
28:7).
And, in the Qur'an we read the story of Bilqis, the Queen
of Sheba. Most Muslims hold leadership as improper for
women. The Qur'an uses no terms to imply that
leadership is inappropriate for a woman. On the contrary,
the Qur'anic story of Bilqis celebrates both her political
and religious practices:
But the Hoopoe tarried not far: he (came up and) said: 'I
have compassed (territory) which you have not
compassed, and I have come to you from Sheba with
tidings true. I found (there) a woman ruling over them and
provided with every requisite; and she has a magnificent
throne... (Sura 27:22-23).
These verses and the verses following it tell us of a wise
woman; a woman who recognises the goodness in the
Propeht Sulaiman (Solomon) just fromhis letter to her; a
woman who rules her people through consultation; a
woman who readily recognises and accepts the Truth
when Solomon presents it to her.
What is interesting is that Allah, The Most Wise, has not
specified any particular role for all men or all women. The
Qur'an does not propose or support a singular role or
single definition of a set of roles, exclusively, for each
gender across every culture.
This thus allows individuals the freedom to decide on
their
functions and roles best suited to their contexts. This
must, of course, be done by maintaining fairness and
equality through mutual consultation, mercy,
consideration
and compassion between those affected by the decision.
Women do have a special and exclusive function. And
that is procreation. The Qur'an elevates this special
function in Sura 4 Verse 1:
"O humankind! Reverence your
Guardian-Lord... reverence Allah,
through whom you demand your
mutual (rights), and (reverence)
the wombs (that bore you)."
Another aspect that engenders the equal worth of
individuals is that the Qur'an does not set values for
particular deeds. (Note the verse 195 in Sura 3: "Never
will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, male or
female. You are members, one of another.") In
contemporary society this is not so. Much more value is
attached to the work that men do. Domestic work is not
less of a good deed than going out of the house to work.
I
believe that there is space in Islam to actually attach
monetary value to domestic work done by wives.
Indeed,
some classical scholars have stated that women should
be paid even for breastfeeding their own children! And if
the criteria for valuing to any function is monetary value
then we should insist that all these functions should also
have monetary values attached to them.
History
Let us know take a step back into our history and look at
the various roles our sheroes played in the societies they
lived in. I admit I will be focusing on and emphasising the
active and assertive roles they played. We have been
taught well about the what is traditionally considered to
be
pious about our early Muslim sisters. But what about the
other roles they played?
Women were actively involved in warfare.
Umm 'Umara was known for her effectiveness with
weapons. The Prophet (pbuh) commented that she was
better than many men. Umm 'Umara fought in many
battles and she lost her hand in oneof them.
Umm Hakim single handedly disposed of seven
Byzantine soldiers in the battle of Marj al- Saffar.
In one expedition against a Persian seaport the women,
led by Azdah bint al-Harith turned their veils into flags,
marching in martial array to the battlefield. They were
mistaken for fresh reinforcements, which struck fear into
the hearts of the enemy, and this contributed - at a critical
moment - to the victory of the Muslims.
Religion
Women of the first Muslim community attended the
mosque, took part in religious services on feast days,
and
listened to Muhammad's (pbuh) discourses. They were
not just passive listeners and docile followers, but
actively
participated in discussion and questioned, confronted
and challenged.
This practice continued even in 'Umar's time - when he
was caliph. It is reported that when 'Umar attempted to
limit the dowry ina khutbah in the mosque, a woman
challenged his ruling and 'Umar conceded that "the
woman is correct and 'Umar is wrong".
Talking about the mighty 'Umar, strong headed and
strong willed... He never forbade his own wife to attend
the mosque because he knew that this was a betrayal of
the Prophet's teaching. In fact, he tried some dubious
means to discourage her. He once hid in an alley and
frightened her to illustrate the danger of women being
harassed by the hypocrites while they were going to
mosque. He was not successful. His wife continued on
her way to the mosque!
Woman participated in political activities.
When Makkah was recaptured by the Muslims (Fath
Makkah) many woman came to give their allegiance to
Islam. They refused to offer their allegiance to 'Umar and
insisted that they wanted to give it to the Prophet (pbuh)
himself. The Prophet conceded and this was at a public
assembly of men and women.
Women like Asma bint Abu Bakr were active in the
workforce. She shared the responsibility of supporting
her family with her husband by working away from her
home.
Women were given the responsibility of running the
affairs of the State. A woman - Shifa bint abd Allah -
was appointed controller of the market of Madinah by the
Prophet. She was reappointed by 'Umar when he
became caliph.
The Prophet left it in the hands of his wife Umm Salamah
to advise the Muslims to forgo the haj and to rather sign
the treaty of Hudaibiyya.
'Aisha, the prophet's wife, was a reporter of many of the
Prophet's traditions. She also addressed the
congregation at the mosque and led an army in battle.
In the private domain women also exercised their rights.
They enjoyed the freedom of stipulating their demands in
their marriage contract. A illustrious example is the story
of Sukayna, the great-grand-daughter of the Prophet,
daughter of Husayn. In her marriage contract she
stipulated that she would not obey her husband and did
not acknowledge that her husband had the right to
practice polygamy. She brought a case against one of
her husbands who had violated her rule of monogamy.
The judge was obliged to hear her case.
Yet when we attempt to assert ourselves as Muslim
women we are accused of being influenced by the West,
and attempting to cause divisions and putting Muslims
and Islam to disrepute.
The renowned author Fatima Mernissi, says in Women
and Islam that such a person is "one who
misunderstands his own cultural heritage. The vast and
inspiring records of Muslim history so brilliantly completed
for us by scholars such as Ibn Hisham, Ibn Hajar, Ibn
Sa'ad and Tabari speak to the contrary.
"We Muslim women can walk into the modern world with
pride, knowing that the quest for dignity, democracy, and
human rights, for full participation in the political and
social affairs of our country , stems from no imported
Western values, but is a true part of Muslim tradition.
"Women fled aristocratic tribal Mecca by the thousands to
enter Medina, the Prophet's city in the 7th century,
because Islam promised equality and dignity for all, for
men and women, masters and servants. Every woman
who came to Medina when the Prophet was the political
leader of the Muslims could gain access to full
citizenship,
the status of sahabi, companion of the Prophet. Muslims
can take pride that in their language they have the
feminine of that word, sahabiyat, women who enjoyed
the
right to enter into the councils of the Muslim umma, to
speak freely to its Prophet-leader, to dispute with men, to
fight for their happiness, and to be involved in the
management of military and political affairs. The evidence
is there in the works of religious history, in the
biographical details of sahabiyyat by the thousands who
built Muslim society side by side with their male
counterparts."
Lastly, let us look at some of the challenges facing us as
we aspire towards the realisation of our goals of justice
and a better society. (Unfortunately, this section was not
completed by Shamima in the paper version we have,
although she did present it at the meeting. And no
recording exists to be able to complete it. - editor)
1.Addressing the misrepresentation and
misemphasis in Islam (which is contrary to what we
see in the Qur'an and in History).
2.Realising what the position and roles of men and
women are.
3.Addressing the problems of gender relationships in
Muslim communities and outside, gender
imbalances.
4.Muslim Personal Law
5.Muslim women and the Muslim public domain.
6.Campaigns
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Karamba,
This is exactly why we need to do something to help our people. What was for
you, only a year's sojourn is in fact a permanent way of life for the
majority of our people. To this day! Individually, we all do our best by
supporting our families, but collectively, we haven't been able to pool our
resources to do s'thing to uplift our people. The sooner we do that, the
better off we'll all be.
Saul.
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>As my brothers before me, I found myself on the bus heading to Georgetown
>shortly after the A levels exams in 1988. My ultimate destination was
>Demfai
>15 miles north of G/town which is our second and principal home to fulfill
>what we in our family euphemistically call a one year 'posting.' It was a
>mandatory full year stay to help in the farms and with the livestock as
>opposed to the intermittent help provided during holidays. While I am
>intimately familiar with backbreaking work that is subsistence farming, the
>specter of having to do a full year of it proved daunting.No longer was I
>only an auxiliary farm hand . Both the scope and range of responsibilities
>widened to reflect the permanence of my presence. I rose early in the
>morning to down a quick breakfast ,set the horses and what passed for
>equipment onto carts and trot to the farms. Depending on what the task of
>the
>day was , which ranged from planting , weeding to tending by hoe, it was
>always a greulling 7 hour interaction with a scorching sun. Hot, unpleasant
>and backbreaking. I particularly dreaded having to hoe corn or millet
>fields
>that have grown to a certain length because under the heat the leaves had
>razor sharp impact upon contact with the skin. I ususally returned home by
>about 2pm for lunch and a few hours rest before heading back for the
>afternoon shift. Sometimes I alternated between pulling an afternoon at
>the
>farms or helping out at the cow herd which generally meant making sure that
>the calves are rounded up shortly before their mothers come home and help
>with milking and other chores. To a large extent it was less physically
>wrenching than the farms , but it too can be a handful if it falls on a day
>the herd is to be relocated which in the rainy season has to be done quite
>often because after being in one place for a few weeks , the areas where
>the
>livestock lies becomes water logged making it uncomfortable and risky for
>the
>herd. Relocation is often a time consuming undertaking since you are
>literally evacuating dozens of cows not only to a new place , but each cow
>has to be taken to a carefully selected position within the herd that is
>dictated by tradition, superstition and simple pragmatism. For example
>Alpha
>bulls are often pegged at the edge of the herd while older and weaker ones
>are put further into the inner part of the herd , the assumption being that
>they would be in a position to ward off potential predators. I particularly
>enjoyed the across- the-herd banter i would exchange with the herdsman
>about
>his day while we both squat milking . He would talk about how he was
>progressing on his quest to learn how to play a flute that one of his
>colleagues who was teaching him anytime they met at a central wateringhole
>somewhere north of the village. Our equivalent of a dinnertable chat .
> At the end of a days work, there isn't much to do in Demfai particularly
>in
>the rainy season. Most people retire early because they are often
>exhausted.
>Since this was usually financially lean times, the ever present Attaya is
>reduced to an odd few homes in the village. On full moons , you can find an
>occasional amateur fiddle or halam player entertaining at gatherings here
>and there. It is usually when courting bachelors who are looking for
>perspective spouses come into the village that a palpable since of party
>can
>be felt because they come in groups with boomboxes and a lot of Attaya
>that
>provides for central village entertainment atleast for the duration of
>their
>visit which could be upto four days. I must tell you list members it was a
>very much appreciated break from the boredom that is life in a village
>after
>dark.
>Shortly before harvesting began, i was given a totally different
>assignment.
>Somehow dad has gotten himself an outboard engine and was planing to mount
>it
>on a Bara (a metal boat) we had in G/town. My task was to get it Bansang
>and
>begin transporting people and their goods once a week to Karantaba where
>they
>had a vibrant "lummo"(open air market). It turned out to be a brilliant
>idea
>because traders and customers had tremendous difficulty getting to
>Karantaba
>because the roads where impassable making the alternative we provided a
>reliable and faster route. I took ice, colanut and Sankung Silla product
>vendors to the Lummo where they peddled their wares in what is the ultimate
>freemarket enterprise bringing together very diverse buyers and sellers in
>a
>virtually unregulated market. The pace was brisk and the atmosphere
>freewheeling. From a galloping horse to a warm plate of Bennachin you could
>get it all for a price you could negotiate. I loved it.
>Shortly thereafter i was back on the bus having done my year to look for
>job
>and begin to face the rigours of life as a somewhat independent adult. I,
>as
>any list member is shaped by what we know . We aprreciate the things that
>life has to offer and we are constantly grounded in the knowledge that we
>as
>a people have a begining , a middle and an end as we transistion through
>life. What must not do is to forget that we are our brothers keepers and to
>whom much is given , much is expected. No can can singularly try to
>endeavor
>to change the world, but we can as a society do all we can to make life
>easier for those who are toiling and scrimping to survive daily. Those of
>us
>who got out of the grinding effects of subsistence life have a particular
>responsibility to persuade people that hardship need not be perpetual so
>that
>children of my friends in Demfai can go to school and be something other
>than
>farmers who can barely feed themselves despite backbreaking work.
>
>Karamba
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Jaajef wa G-L
What seems to be a different Islamic perspective on birth control than
that put forward by Imam Fatty
Yeenduleen ak jaama
Tony
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Fertility Control (Tahdid Al Nasl) Versus
Fertility Organization (Tanzim Al Nasl)
Muslim religious thinkers in the past quarter of a century have made a
distinction between fertility
control (Tahdid Al Nasl) and fertility regulation (Tanzim Al Nasl). Tahdid Al
Nasl refers to
controlling fertility over the entire period of a woman's reproductive
years. This comprehensive,
generalized fertility control,Tahdid Al Nasl, is forbidden. On the other
hand to regulate fertility
(Tanzim Al Nasl) to strengthen a woman's health, or to suckle one child,
or to care for elderly
parents or relatives is desirable and recommended. A famous Egyptian
religious leader, Imam
Shaltout notes that "individualistic fertility control is not against nature or
God, nor counter to national
priorities, and is permitted and encouraged by the Shariah (the law)"
(1991:297). The religious rules
that encourage fertility regulation in Islam are based on the general spirit
of the Qur'an and the
Prophet's Hadith about Yasir wa la tua'sir: "facilitate and do not
complicate". He also said: "What is
good for my people is law".
Fertility Organization:
Encouraged Methods Condoms, Diaphragms and Oral Contraception
The use of condoms and diaphragms for organizing fertility in the Islamic
texts is clearly encouraged.
The Prophet when asked about the use of barriers (Al'Azil), said three
times consecutively: "and you
shall use them"(3). The encouragement and approval of the use of the
barrier is based primarily on
the principle of non-interference with God's power of creation. As a
result to prevent fertility,
humans shall do so prior to the conception of life.
Beyond the use of the barrier (Al'azil), Islamic thought varies in its
interpretations concerning the use
of other fertility control methods. Some religious thinkers (e.g. Sha'rawi)
note that the use of the birth
control pill and any other pharmacological substance is forbidden. Other
thinkers (e.g. Shaltout, and
Al Ghazali) note that oral contraception can be an encouraged method of
fertility organization, since
the contraceptive does not intervene directly with the conception of life.
It is important to note that irrespective of which of the interpretations one
"believes", it is essential to
examine the use of oral contraception from the Islamic view of
"facilitating not complicating" women's
reproductive health. Oral contraception in most Muslim countries is a
major cause of health
complications for women over the age of 30. In my own research in a
village in the south of Egypt, I
found that women's age was never considered when prescribing oral
contraception (4). Instead
doctors prescribe vitamin pills to assure women that they are taking care
of the oral contraception's
side effects. The contraceptive pills prescribed for the women of all
ages were high in their estrogen
content (5). Many women during my stay in the village complained to me
about irregular bleeding,
pains in the rear of their legs, weight gain, and severe headaches. The
issue one needs to underscore
is if in the Islamic perspective the basis for encouraging fertility
organization is to care for the
mother's health and well-being then we need to ensure that Muslim
women have access to oral
contraception brands similar to those available in Western markets.
Abortion
In Islam abortions are encouraged only if the pregnancy threatens the
well-being of the mother. It is
forbidden to sacrifice the mother's life for the fetus. Here again the
practice of abortion is prescribed
with limitations. The soul in the Islamic tradition develops after the fetus
moves in the womb. The
distinction between movement and life in Islam is very clear. The fetus
moves, during the second
trimester (precisely after 120 days of pregnancy). Abortion, as a result,
is permitted during the first
120 days, i.e. before the soul develops.
Islam like other Abrahamic faiths (Judaism and Christianity) addresses
the practice of fertility control.
The texts are very clear about encouraging the organization of fertility if
it helps strengthen women's
health. The major problem, however, among most Muslim women is not
the Islamic prescriptions
about fertility control, but rather the level of development in their
countries. In fact, the social and
material conditions of most Islamic countries inhibit access and use of
appropriate health and medical
services for women. In a recent UNICEF publication, Khattab (1992)
notes that women's
reproductive health needs to be addressed holistically, inter-linking
physical, with social,
psychological, economic and political well being. Muslim women, in
addition to learning about their
religion they need: 1. health professionals that understand and respect
their life conditions; 2. sex
education; and 3. a re-examining of the external cultural and material
systems that inhibit women's
access to health services (Khattab 1992:5).
By Nawal H. Ammar, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Kent State University/Trumbull
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Madiba,
Thanks for this forward. It makes a great reading.
God speed!
Pa Mambuna
Madiba Saidy wrote:
> Where we belong
>
> >From the Vanguard
>
> It was a pleasant surprise when an acquaintance told me that her son who had
> emigrated abroad in the mid-nineties, to escape the social upheaval and
> encroaching hard times in the country, had returned to roost.
>
> We all had a hard time trying to convince him then that Nigeria will climb
> out of the abyss and that he had to hang on in here with the rest of us to
> do his share of pulling her out. Like many young people, he thought we were
> being sentimental about a hopeless case. "I'm sorry mum, auntie; I have to
> obey an inner voice," he had told his mother and me. "All I see around me is
> rot and continuing decay. There's no justice anywhere and no-one, absolutely
> no-one, cares about the plight of the poor like us."
>
> "You're far from being poor," I told him. "You have a good job with lots of
> prospects and you're lucky that there are no financial demands on you. Think
> of the thousands of unemployed young graduates in our midst who, several
> years after graduation, are still depending on their parents and relatives
> for survival."
>
> "I think of them, auntie, and I feel that those who can get out should do
> so. I'm disenchanted with everything. Bad roads, no light, no water, no good
> transport system; there's danger everywhere you turn.
>
> If you're one of the lucky ones and you have a good means of livelihood, you
> have to look over your shoulder with every step you take.
>
> In short, you can't enjoy your good fortune because of those who don't have,
> even though you're not responsible for their plight and you're just getting
> by yourself. What sort of life is that? I want no part of it as it is right
> now. I don't want to remain in a sinking boat."
>
> "Life's not necessarily better abroad," observed the mother. "The people
> over there are groaning about unemployment, inflation and danger to lives
> and property. Then you also have the natural disasters too. Home is home,
> whichever way you look at it. You get more justice in your own country."
>
> "Who says?" asked the youngman, with sarcasm. "Where I work, unworthy people
> are promoted over your head if you don't lick the boss's boots. If it isn't
> tribal discrimination, it's ethnic discrimination or something else. Anyway,
> you always say, make hay while the sun shines, mum, so, this is the time to
> get out. I think I'm right. Life isn't perfect abroad, but at least you get
> the basic necessities of constant light, water, good road, and a civilised
> life. Those are important."
>
> The youngman was born in Europe so visa was not a problem. From time to
> time, the mother gave me news of him. He did a short course in his field,
> so, that he could get a job with case. At first, he was contented with his
> lot, even though he complained about the heavy tax he had to pay as a
> bachelor; forty per cent of his salary! Also, he was not being trusted fully
> by his employers to perform well. They put him under the supervision of an
> indigene who was not as competent or as qualified as he.
>
> "Never mind that, son," his father told him over the telephone. "It's their
> land. Just get on with your duties and try to be happy."
>
> "You're right, dad. Mind you, life's good otherwise. I have constant light,
> water, and good roads. There are good programmes on radio and the telly and
> the shops are well stocked. I have friends of all races. My social life is
> great. I go to the parks, the beach, the countryside, etc."
>
> "Fine, enjoy yourself responsibly, son."
>
> "Thanks, dad. I wish you, mum and my siblings could come and live here too."
>
> "No, thank you. We'll slug it out here with the others. When we can afford
> it, we'll come and visit, that's all."
>
> "So, what brought him back?" I asked the mother. "Your cooking? His
> girlfriend? His family? Or was he er, er...
>
> "No, he wasn't thrown out, neither did he lose his job. Thank God for that.
> What made him come home was hearing that three ex-classmates of his had been
> elected around the country into the House of Assembly. He was dazed.
> Suddenly, he realised that at thirty-two, he could contribute meaningfully
> to national development, if he sticks around. Also, he realised that he
> stands a better chance of getting on in his career here, and can be in a
> position to go spend vacation abroad. Oh, and so many other things. Luckily,
> his organisation re-absorbed him. He now agrees that home is home, and that
> if people in the developed countries had emigrated to greener pastures,
> there would be no development in their land."
>
> I agree totally with that last bit. Our young people emigrate abroad to go
> do those jobs which they consider menial here, and they get all the
> harassment and insecurity that go with such jobs. I know that the foreign
> currencies make all the difference, but why run away and leave the running
> of the country to others to do, as they like with? When the competent
> abandon ship, the incompetent will rule. Once upon a time, the desire of
> most young people was to go study abroad, get the golden fleece as it were,
> and then return home to use the knowledge acquired for a better living. We
> can still continue to do that.
>
> In fact, our institutions and parastatals should make provision for this. It
> will help our development. Parents should encourage our young people
> studying abroad to return home after getting the relevant qualifications and
> experience. We need them. They are our future.
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Dr Saine,
You deserve a special commendation for raising such an important topic on
the L: healing and reconciliation, and I am glad that it has generated a
very healthy debate. The signs are very encouraging!!
We are proud to have you on Gambia L, and needless to say that your advice,
guidance and suggestions, here and there, are always most valued and
appreciated by people like me. May God continue to protect you, so that we
can continue to benefit from your vast knowledge.
But I think it is about time you made a field trip to the Gambia, so as to
up date the current state of research on the Gambia. I think the last
researcher who made a trip to the Gambia was Dr John Wiseman.
By the way, I saw a former student of Professor Arnold hughes yesterday, and
she told me that Arnold Hughes, who is also a leading authority on Gambian
Affairs, was planning to go to the Gambia for a visit.
I am sure he'll up date the current state of research on Gambia if he
returns home. I am interested in knowing how the economy is performing.
Dr John Wiseman also intends to visit the Gambia next month. Let's see what
their findings are going to be.
By the way, Dr Saine, Muhammed Faal was telling me the other day, that a
tentative date has been fixed for the Round Table Conference on the Gambia,
to be organised by the London-based Centre for Democracy and Development
(CCD). The tentative date is 19 January 2000. I understand that they want
you to present a paper to the conference.
However, the venue is yet to be confirmed, but the CCD, I am told, plans to
hold it in the Gambia. The Jammeh regime, I understand, has no problem with
the conference being held in the Gambia.
Cherno Baba Jallow, it is very healthy to have disagreements from time to
time. In any case, I did enjoy reading your piece. I also enjoyed reading
Jabou's comments.
By the way, I must say here, that I always enjoy reading Jabou's postings to
the L. Sister, keep it up!! Who said Gambian women don't speak their minds?
Not me, anyway.
Cherno Baba, if I find time, these days, I'll explain myself again. I know
things are far from being okay in our motherland. All I am saying, really,
is that a badly flawed transition was preferable to a continuation of
undiluted military.
Take note that I did use the word UNDILUTED. In short, it is still a kind of
a military rule, but one which has been diluted. This is also recognised by
Amnesty International. Anyway, I'll try and expand on these points once
again if time permits me.
However, I must say here, that I am in a very uncomfortable position on this
debate, because I don't want people to misunderstand my me: to think that I
am holding a brief for Jammeh.
As I warned in a previous posting, as a people, we should not allow Jammeh's
actions to divide to us. We are not the problem, or the issue. The issue is,
or should be, Mr Jammeh. We should engage in a process of trying to
understand Mr Jammeh more, his tactics etc, so that we would be in a better
to challenge him, if our needs and aspirations are not being addressed by
him.
Cherno Baba, before I forget, I must say that I am aware of the fact that
the limited liberalism being enjoyed today in our country is not a gift from
Mr Jammeh. It came about, as a result of the activism of the Gambian civil
society.
In fact, you and I played a vital role in this process. All I am saying,
really, which is also Amnesty International's conclusion, is that a badly
flawed transition was preferable to a continuation of UNDILUTED military
rule.
Anyway, I'll try and make another attempt to clarify my position if I find
time.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
PS: Cherno Baba, with reagard to the article we talked about on the phone
the other day, I am still going through volumes of old AFRICA NOW issues,
trying to understand Abdul Rahman Babu's differences with the late President
Nyerere, on Socialism and others vital issues.
Once I finish the scanning of the AFRICA NOW issues, I'll write something.
Don't forget to send your postal addresss to me so that I can send you
photocopies of past AFRICA NOW issues, where Babu's articles are published.
BY the way, Cherno, do you know Professor Samir Amin? I'll recommend him to
you if you don't know him. He is Egyptian, but he now settles in Dakar,
Senegal. The guy is great! He has a computer brain if you know what I mean!
He has written over 20 books on the politics and economics of Africa. His
working language is French, but, of late, he has been giving lectures in
English. Also more of his works are now being translated into English.
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>Ebrima Ceesay, Musa Jeng, Jabou Joh, Bakary Sonko, Katim Touray and
>Saiks Samateh:
>
>The ongoing debate is healthy and I commend you and all those who
>responded to my earlier posting "It is Time To Heal." I have compiled
>the responses to the posting and will provide a summary of the various
>comments and suggestions.
>
>Regarding "some useful comments/ observations" by Ebrima Ceesay, I could
>not agree more with his analysis. John Wiseman and I have made similar
>comments elsewhere. Wiseman, who is British, has written a lot on
>Gambia. It is this "opening" in Gambia's political landscape that we
>must use as an entry point. We can debate the modalities later. Ebrima,
>keep up the good "comparative" analysis!
>
>Abdoulaye Saine
>
>Keep up the Good work!
>
>Abdoulaye
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Ebrima:
Thank you for your kind comments and your suggestion to visit home in
order to get more material for my research. You are right! Researchers
can always benefit from visiting areas they write on. Besides, I miss
home, family and friends. Yet, there is only so much time and research
dollars I can devote to my research on Gambia. Gambia is but one aspect
of my research agenda. These not withstanding, your point is well taken.
I plan to attend the conference in January and develop the themes and
reactions to my earlier posting "It is time to Heal" as one of two
papers I plan to deliver. This is one way I benefit from my association
with the Bantaba, and I am grateful to all of you.
The ongoing debate is very useful and the contributions made by Jabou,
Cherno, Saul and others are healthy. All of us will not see a situation,
especially Gambia's, the same way. This is the paradox, yet our
positions can indeed overlap on some key issues. It is these that we
need to build on as we seek solutions to the challenges at home.
Cheers!
Abdoulaye Saine
ebrima ceesay wrote:
>
> Dr Saine,
>
> You deserve a special commendation for raising such an important topic on
> the L: healing and reconciliation, and I am glad that it has generated a
> very healthy debate. The signs are very encouraging!!
>
> We are proud to have you on Gambia L, and needless to say that your advice,
> guidance and suggestions, here and there, are always most valued and
> appreciated by people like me. May God continue to protect you, so that we
> can continue to benefit from your vast knowledge.
>
> But I think it is about time you made a field trip to the Gambia, so as to
> up date the current state of research on the Gambia. I think the last
> researcher who made a trip to the Gambia was Dr John Wiseman.
>
> By the way, I saw a former student of Professor Arnold hughes yesterday, and
> she told me that Arnold Hughes, who is also a leading authority on Gambian
> Affairs, was planning to go to the Gambia for a visit.
>
> I am sure he'll up date the current state of research on Gambia if he
> returns home. I am interested in knowing how the economy is performing.
>
> Dr John Wiseman also intends to visit the Gambia next month. Let's see what
> their findings are going to be.
>
> By the way, Dr Saine, Muhammed Faal was telling me the other day, that a
> tentative date has been fixed for the Round Table Conference on the Gambia,
> to be organised by the London-based Centre for Democracy and Development
> (CCD). The tentative date is 19 January 2000. I understand that they want
> you to present a paper to the conference.
>
> However, the venue is yet to be confirmed, but the CCD, I am told, plans to
> hold it in the Gambia. The Jammeh regime, I understand, has no problem with
> the conference being held in the Gambia.
>
> Cherno Baba Jallow, it is very healthy to have disagreements from time to
> time. In any case, I did enjoy reading your piece. I also enjoyed reading
> Jabou's comments.
>
> By the way, I must say here, that I always enjoy reading Jabou's postings to
> the L. Sister, keep it up!! Who said Gambian women don't speak their minds?
> Not me, anyway.
>
> Cherno Baba, if I find time, these days, I'll explain myself again. I know
> things are far from being okay in our motherland. All I am saying, really,
> is that a badly flawed transition was preferable to a continuation of
> undiluted military.
>
> Take note that I did use the word UNDILUTED. In short, it is still a kind of
> a military rule, but one which has been diluted. This is also recognised by
> Amnesty International. Anyway, I'll try and expand on these points once
> again if time permits me.
>
> However, I must say here, that I am in a very uncomfortable position on this
> debate, because I don't want people to misunderstand my me: to think that I
> am holding a brief for Jammeh.
>
> As I warned in a previous posting, as a people, we should not allow Jammeh's
> actions to divide to us. We are not the problem, or the issue. The issue is,
> or should be, Mr Jammeh. We should engage in a process of trying to
> understand Mr Jammeh more, his tactics etc, so that we would be in a better
> to challenge him, if our needs and aspirations are not being addressed by
> him.
>
> Cherno Baba, before I forget, I must say that I am aware of the fact that
> the limited liberalism being enjoyed today in our country is not a gift from
> Mr Jammeh. It came about, as a result of the activism of the Gambian civil
> society.
>
> In fact, you and I played a vital role in this process. All I am saying,
> really, which is also Amnesty International's conclusion, is that a badly
> flawed transition was preferable to a continuation of UNDILUTED military
> rule.
>
> Anyway, I'll try and make another attempt to clarify my position if I find
> time.
>
> Ebrima Ceesay,
> Birmingham, UK.
>
> PS: Cherno Baba, with reagard to the article we talked about on the phone
> the other day, I am still going through volumes of old AFRICA NOW issues,
> trying to understand Abdul Rahman Babu's differences with the late President
> Nyerere, on Socialism and others vital issues.
>
> Once I finish the scanning of the AFRICA NOW issues, I'll write something.
> Don't forget to send your postal addresss to me so that I can send you
> photocopies of past AFRICA NOW issues, where Babu's articles are published.
>
> BY the way, Cherno, do you know Professor Samir Amin? I'll recommend him to
> you if you don't know him. He is Egyptian, but he now settles in Dakar,
> Senegal. The guy is great! He has a computer brain if you know what I mean!
> He has written over 20 books on the politics and economics of Africa. His
> working language is French, but, of late, he has been giving lectures in
> English. Also more of his works are now being translated into English.
>
> >From: Abdoulaye Saine <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Some useful comments/observations
> >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:26:21 -0500
> >
> >Ebrima Ceesay, Musa Jeng, Jabou Joh, Bakary Sonko, Katim Touray and
> >Saiks Samateh:
> >
> >The ongoing debate is healthy and I commend you and all those who
> >responded to my earlier posting "It is Time To Heal." I have compiled
> >the responses to the posting and will provide a summary of the various
> >comments and suggestions.
> >
> >Regarding "some useful comments/ observations" by Ebrima Ceesay, I could
> >not agree more with his analysis. John Wiseman and I have made similar
> >comments elsewhere. Wiseman, who is British, has written a lot on
> >Gambia. It is this "opening" in Gambia's political landscape that we
> >must use as an entry point. We can debate the modalities later. Ebrima,
> >keep up the good "comparative" analysis!
> >
> >Abdoulaye Saine
> >
> >Keep up the Good work!
> >
> >Abdoulaye
> >
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Karamba,
Thanks for your article captioned "A Personal Story". I enjoyed reading it.
Keep it up.
Madiba Saidy, I know I am repeating myself, but I have definitely found most
of the articles your forwarding to the L quite useful. Again, as brother
Basirou Drammeh would often say, keep up the good work down there!
Ous Bojang, I have been reading your useful contributions, especially the
ones talking about the expired medicines being given to the sick in the
Gambia. Keep it up!
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
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Dear Madi,
I do enjoy very much the pieces you have been forwarding to us,especially=
this
one on "thoughts".As bro Bass would say keep on the work down there.
For Freedom
Saiks
Vanguard: Leisure & Life
Are thoughts really free?
Thoughts are usually anchored in the World of Fine Cross Matter which we =
do
not see, hear or touch with our physical senses while the Medium Cross
Matter is where our spoken words are anchored. Our earth however, belongs=
to
the Densest or Coarsest Cross Matter that we see, hear and touch. So, are=
other bodies that we can also see including the sun, the moon, the stars =
and
other heavenly bodies that cannot be visible unless viewed with the most
advanced instruments available or can be discovered in the future. Thus,
since thoughts are not perceptible with our physical senses, we may be
tempted to conclude that we are free to play with them, as we like withou=
t
responsibility. But we are wrong because thoughts are a form of human
activity and must be accounted for and redeemed before we are free to
commence our ascent after physical death.
These three forms of activity - thoughts, words and deeds are interconnec=
ted
in their effects. Thoughts, being the finest of the three can, in its
automatic working, gain connection with a homogenous anchorage of word fo=
rms
in the Medium Cross Matter through which a more powerful form is produced=
=2E
This in turn will subsequently condense to manifest in visible deeds of s=
ome
human beings in the coarsest World of Matter. Thus, all activities or dee=
ds
that arise in the physical world have far-reaching contributions and infa=
ct
originate from thought forms. Through pressure and condensation, our
thoughts produce the quality of a magnetic activity and are able to attra=
ct
other similar thought forms. This makes them to become stronger and final=
ly
emerge beyond us in firmly united power-waves capable of exerting an
influence upon our wider environment in the manner described above. In ot=
her
words, these thoughts, having been strengthened through mutual power of
attraction, build for themselves powerful force fields or power centres o=
f
homogenous propensities, each of which is connected, to several individua=
ls
living in various parts of the world whose thoughts make up the centres.
These power centres, mostly, embody propensities for example, of hate, en=
vy,
jealousy, lustfulness, avarice, e.t.c, which are usually thickly populate=
d
in toady's world.
Every thought that is generated immediately takes on form in the beyond,
which embodies and expresses the essential meaning of the thought. The
Living Creative Power, which flows through man, moulds his thought-forms =
and
gives expression to the will of the thought. It is indeed an act of mercy=
that our physical eyes are not able to behold the many base propensities =
of
grotesque and reprehensible forms embodied in the power centres populatin=
g
the world of thought-forms which are firmly connected with us. Yet, these=
are realities that shape our ethereal environment, which can contribute m=
uch
to uplift or debase us because its effects reach into our physical world =
and
far down into the realm of darkness. When we consider the events that tak=
e
place at home and abroad today, we shall be left in no doubt as to the
nature of thought-forms that brought them about. And yet, through purer
thoughts, we could have build a powerful armour around us to frustrate th=
e
penetration of darkness, so, that all these bombings, killings, the so
called ethnic cleansing and destruction would not have taken place. So mu=
ch
talks and boasting that have characterised these crises and orchestrated =
by
the media are nothing but the precipitation of thought-forms that we allo=
wed
to take effect. Purer thought-forms would have produced different result =
had
we exerted ourselves to create them and save ourselves from self-destruct=
ive
tendencies of today.
Now, an individual, a group of people or a whole nation so connected to o=
ne
of such power centres may receive retroactively so much intensification o=
f
the embodied propensity that they find themselves committing untold
devastation in their environment. All those who have contributed to this
power centre through their thoughts will share in the reciprocal effect o=
f
such devastation in accordance with the Eternal laws of God irrespective =
of
whether they live in different parts of the world. Thus, through ignoranc=
e,
we participate in many deeds of other people whose connecting threads to =
the
relevant power centre have been so intensified as to bring them to commit=
such awful deeds. Therefore we are not after all free from responsibiliti=
es
for our thoughts. It is for these reasons that we must exert ourselves to=
produce good thoughts always rather than generate thought forms which can=
float about and may subsequently get attracted to a power-centre that wil=
l
tie us down to painful experiences.
For this reason, we have been admonished to keep the heart of our thought=
s
pure, by so doing; we shall bring peace and be happy. This makes sense,
because pure and joyful thinking can only connect us with a more luminous=
power centre through which we can contribute more powerfully to the peace=
and happiness of humanity and as such share in the good works that develo=
p
through strangers from other regions of the earth.
Thoughts which lack the genuineness of free intuitive volition are usuall=
y
intellectually willed and as such are pressed into definite channels that=
are essentially egoistic and self-serving, be it of avid desire for power=
or
other selfish motivation. These are not the work of the spirit and do not=
arise out of pure intuitive volition, which is boundless and able to well=
up
in us.
Thus, the right way of thinking must arise out of an all-embracing urge f=
or
what is good and noble which envelops our thoughts and permeates them eve=
n
before they take on form. What is then produced can safely be left to our=
intellect to apply in the physical world as pure thoughts that can bring =
us
peace and joy. In this way, we shall become worthy helpers in Creation on=
whom the high blessings meant for the human spirits will be bestowed so t=
hat
these blessings may be transformed and passed on to those creatures who a=
re
only able to absorb them through such transformation by man. This is part=
of
the joyful activities of a human spirit who has not soiled himself in the=
denseness of the material world.
As of now, far fewer centres for instance of love and purity are generate=
d
in the world of thought forms and as such, mankind will continue to be hi=
t
by acts of fate that remain difficult to fathom. But we pray for the
glorious dawn when we shall resolve to give purity to our thoughts always=
and generate more luminous centres that can strengthen our striving towar=
ds
what is good and noble and at the same time work on darker minds with
gradually purifying effects. We have been endowed with access to the Livi=
ng
Power of the Most High with which we shape our destinies. It lies in our
hands to use it aright to experience peace and joy or to continue to live=
in
hell. Our thoughts are the powerful messengers we send to create the type=
of
environment we must experience. The choice is ours.
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This is a discussion between two Gambian Sisters who were reflecting on the
roles of women at home. This started by looking at the roles of the older
generation.
We were speaking about the difference between today's Gambian husband, and
that of generations past. As we conversed, we stumbled across the topic
regarding how our moms were submissive to our dads, by calling them
"Nijai/M'Baring" as they
addressed them, and how that was seen as a sign of respect towards one's
husband. In our generation though, we've noticed that when we do that (be it
teasingly or seriously), they tend to be uncomfortable about it. Some of us
are even chased around the compound when we do that. This brought us to the
decent conclusion that some of our men have made some progress because they:
-love our independence
-are proud of us for setting goals for ourselves
-are not afraid of us reaching beyond their achievements
Another conclusion we reached, was that the men who are serious about
education do not seem to be intimidated by the independent, academically
sound Gambian woman's because those women are not seen as threats, but jewels
in Gambian society.
To those brothers who make us feel good about ourselves; who make us feel
loved and not afraid to give us the opportunity to reach for the moon and
stars, we say CONGRATULATIONS, and keep up the good work!
We still have a long way to go though, because we still have a majority of
men who do not seem to encourage their women's growth and development
economically. Majority of women have no time for their own development: The
woman rises at 6 a.m. and prepares breakfast for the family and for herself,
which they will eat at midmorning. After fetching water from the tap or well,
she heads for her plot of land and it may be an hour's walk away. Until about
4:00 p.m. in the afternoon, she still, weeds or waters the land, stopping
only briefly to eat whatever food she has taken with her. The two remaining
hours of daylight are used to cut firewood and to collect food for the
family, all which she carries home.
Usually, she arrives home as the sun is setting. Now there is work to be done
preparing the supper, a task that may occupy two hours or more. Sundays are
spent washing clothes in the local river and then ironing, once the clothes
are dry.
Her husband rarely appreciates all this hard work or listens to her
suggestions. He doesn't mind cutting down the trees or burning the forest
underbush so that she can prepare the land for planting, but he does little
more. Occasionally he takes the children the river to wash themselves, and he
may do a little hunting and fishing. But much of his day is spent talking
with other menfolk of the village at the Bantabas.
If the husband can afford it, after a few years, he will bring home a new,
younger wife, who will become the centre of his affection. His first wife,
however, will still be expected to keep working always until her health fails
or she dies.
SO, we asked ourselves: when does the woman has time for herself, her own
development, her growth etc......? The answer is obviously no time at all.
But, what has changed in our generation?
Regards,
Ndey Jobarteh & Awa Sey
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L-ers in the Atlanta Area:
I was speaking with a relative living in Atlanta tonight, and she informed me
that there was a rally/reception by the Gambians in that area.
Unfortunately, she did not attend the gathering.
Mr. Saine gave us a nice summary of Jawara's visit in his area. Can the
Atlantans please give us any feedback?
Regards,
Awa Sey
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I have been following this debate for a while and i must say that it has
been a very healthy debate so far. There is no doubt that this move =
taking
by Dr Sainea is a welcoming and timely move. After all a lot had been =
said
already in this issue and One question i would like to asked is that =
"what
would be the process of this healing or reconciliation and what =
dimension
would it take?" Since people have ironed out all their different =
positions
and as usaul am always sceptical when it comes to the AFPRC Government.
Then again i will support any genuine move towards this direction.
To me what strikes me most on this debate is Dr sainea's final words =
"To
me, this is beyond partisan politics. It is life of a people and of =
future
generations."
For that matter I would like to add that a genuine attempt should also =
be
made to reorganise the security forces and institute human rights =
courses
and programmes as part of the curricula of the armed forces and other
security services. This would help in building a culture of =
subordination of the military to civilian authority and the respect of =
human rights and rule of law within
those institutions. Those who are resposible for gross human rights
violations should not allowed to hold positions of authority where they =
are
likely to repeat those abuses; they should in fact be disqualified from
holding high public office. As part of the healing process, an
acknowledgement of the crimes by state, preferably by the President
and a public apology to the victims and their families would go a long =
way
in facilitating the rebuilding of confidence in the government and help =
in
the healing process.
Finally, for an enduring stability that will lead to social and economic
progress in the country, the importance of accounting for human rights
abuses of the past cannot be over-emphasised. These must be a process of
truth telling, reconciliation and accountability for gross human rights
abuses. The governement must officially acknowledge the violations and
atones to the victims and their families. Without this being done, the
process of healing and forgivensss cannot commerce.
Our role in this will be a practical and active participation in the
development process of the country. What does that mean can also be =
define
by individuals or groups.
The Struggle Continues!!!
Ndey Jobarteh
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Hi T,
Thank you for this one,I wish it could be publish in a Gambian newspaper.=
For Freedom
Saiks
What seems to be a different Islamic perspective on birth control than
that put forward by Imam Fatty
Yeenduleen ak jaama
Tony
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fertility Control (Tahdid Al Nasl) Versus
Fertility Organization (Tanzim Al Nasl)
Muslim religious thinkers in the past quarter of a century have made a
distinction between fertility
control (Tahdid Al Nasl) and fertility regulation (Tanzim Al Nasl). Tahdi=
d Al
Nasl refers to
controlling fertility over the entire period of a woman's reproductive
years. This comprehensive,
generalized fertility control,Tahdid Al Nasl, is forbidden. On the other
hand to regulate fertility
(Tanzim Al Nasl) to strengthen a woman's health, or to suckle one child,
or to care for elderly
parents or relatives is desirable and recommended. A famous Egyptian
religious leader, Imam
Shaltout notes that "individualistic fertility control is not against nat=
ure
or
God, nor counter to national
priorities, and is permitted and encouraged by the Shariah (the law)"
(1991:297). The religious rules
that encourage fertility regulation in Islam are based on the general spi=
rit
of the Qur'an and the
Prophet's Hadith about Yasir wa la tua'sir: "facilitate and do not
complicate". He also said: "What is
good for my people is law".
Fertility Organization:
Encouraged Methods Condoms, Diaphragms and Oral Contraception
The use of condoms and diaphragms for organizing fertility in the Islamic=
texts is clearly encouraged.
The Prophet when asked about the use of barriers (Al'Azil), said three
times consecutively: "and you
shall use them"(3). The encouragement and approval of the use of the
barrier is based primarily on
the principle of non-interference with God's power of creation. As a
result to prevent fertility,
humans shall do so prior to the conception of life.
Beyond the use of the barrier (Al'azil), Islamic thought varies in its
interpretations concerning the use
of other fertility control methods. Some religious thinkers (e.g. Sha'raw=
i)
note that the use of the birth
control pill and any other pharmacological substance is forbidden. Other
thinkers (e.g. Shaltout, and
Al Ghazali) note that oral contraception can be an encouraged method of
fertility organization, since
the contraceptive does not intervene directly with the conception of life=
=2E
It is important to note that irrespective of which of the interpretations=
one
"believes", it is essential to
examine the use of oral contraception from the Islamic view of
"facilitating not complicating" women's
reproductive health. Oral contraception in most Muslim countries is a
major cause of health
complications for women over the age of 30. In my own research in a
village in the south of Egypt, I
found that women's age was never considered when prescribing oral
contraception (4). Instead
doctors prescribe vitamin pills to assure women that they are taking care=
of the oral contraception's
side effects. The contraceptive pills prescribed for the women of all
ages were high in their estrogen
content (5). Many women during my stay in the village complained to me
about irregular bleeding,
pains in the rear of their legs, weight gain, and severe headaches. The
issue one needs to underscore
is if in the Islamic perspective the basis for encouraging fertility
organization is to care for the
mother's health and well-being then we need to ensure that Muslim
women have access to oral
contraception brands similar to those available in Western markets.
Abortion
In Islam abortions are encouraged only if the pregnancy threatens the
well-being of the mother. It is
forbidden to sacrifice the mother's life for the fetus. Here again the
practice of abortion is prescribed
with limitations. The soul in the Islamic tradition develops after the fe=
tus
moves in the womb. The
distinction between movement and life in Islam is very clear. The fetus
moves, during the second
trimester (precisely after 120 days of pregnancy). Abortion, as a result,=
is permitted during the first
120 days, i.e. before the soul develops.
Islam like other Abrahamic faiths (Judaism and Christianity) addresses
the practice of fertility control.
The texts are very clear about encouraging the organization of fertility =
if
it helps strengthen women's
health. The major problem, however, among most Muslim women is not
the Islamic prescriptions
about fertility control, but rather the level of development in their
countries. In fact, the social and
material conditions of most Islamic countries inhibit access and use of
appropriate health and medical
services for women. In a recent UNICEF publication, Khattab (1992)
notes that women's
reproductive health needs to be addressed holistically, inter-linking
physical, with social,
psychological, economic and political well being. Muslim women, in
addition to learning about their
religion they need: 1. health professionals that understand and respect
their life conditions; 2. sex
education; and 3. a re-examining of the external cultural and material
systems that inhibit women's
access to health services (Khattab 1992:5).
By Nawal H. Ammar, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Kent State University/Trumbull
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Awa/ Ndey,
your prognosis about women in our society is precise and
thoroughly reflects the burden that hobbles women . I agree that there is a
gradual shift toward a greater aprreciation of the woman and most importantly
they are increasingly breaking free from the societal fix that binds them to
the very untenable position of being unhealthily dependents on others for
their basic of needs. The overwhelming number of women endure tremnedous
hardship as they try to meet the rigors of life . I hope we one day have a
wholesale attitudinal change and begin to restructure our society and do the
right thing by our women. A good start would be a clear recognition that our
traditions as has been configured gives women the short end of the stick .
Consequently i believe our society is much worse for it. It has inadvertently
conditioned some of us men to demand any and all we believe our women owe us
giving little or no regard what their reciprocal needs are. We have become
very crafty at maintaining the imbalance of privilege. We hide behind
tradition and religion and whatever lever works for a moment to advance the
need of the time. I think the never-ending rationalization for the way we
treat our women is nothing but a sorry excuse for bad behavior
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A twenty-two year old Gambian school leaver, Fadua Conteh, was beaten by
police attached to the Tourism Development Area (TDA) and was hospitalise=
d as
a result, according to his father, Mr Ousman Conteh.
Mr Conteh told The Independent that his son was admitted at the Royal Vic=
toria
Hospital Eye Ward to undergo treatment for wounds sustained during the
beatings. He said doctors were treating damages to his son's left eye. =
Mr Conteh described the police attack as 'brutal, unprovoked and unjustif=
ied'.
He said that his son had gone to Cape Point to see the general manager of=
the
Cape Point Hotel, Mr. Ebrima Bojang, to receive some money from his mothe=
r who
lives in Sweden.
That was when, according to Fadua, the police stopped him and started bea=
ting
him with a hard water hose.
The police were very brutal and unfriendly when I went to the Cape Point
Police station to enquire as to why my boy was brutalised,' Mr Conteh sai=
d.
He said he then went to the Bakau Police station and complained to the Of=
ficer
in Charge, Inspector Sanneh. The officer expressed regret at the action a=
nd
took Fadua to the Bakau dispensary for treatment.
'I later took my son to RVH for better treatment. My boy was beaten at ab=
out
midday and he only received proper treatment at about 5pm,' he said.
The concerned father was outraged, 'my boy really suffered and is still
suffering. He is not a bumster or a thief. He has just left school, why s=
hould
he be brutalised?'
Mr. Conteh said he has decided to take the police to court for damages do=
ne to
his son.'Even my boy is not ready for compromise,' Conteh said.Meanwhile,=
this
paper has been reliably informed that Fadua was early last week discharge=
d
from the RVH..
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HI Sisters,
Interesting reading !I hope that this development will continue,this is i=
n the
interest of our nation and the family.Our nation will never be able to de=
velop
independent minded sisters who are prepared to play their role in nationa=
l
development.
The struggle continues
For Freedom =
Saiks
This is a discussion between two Gambian Sisters who were reflecting on t=
he
roles of women at home. This started by looking at the roles of the olde=
r
generation.
We were speaking about the difference between today's Gambian husband, an=
d
that of generations past. As we conversed, we stumbled across the topic
regarding how our moms were submissive to our dads, by calling them
"Nijai/M'Baring" as they
addressed them, and how that was seen as a sign of respect towards one's=
husband. In our generation though, we've noticed that when we do that (b=
e it
teasingly or seriously), they tend to be uncomfortable about it. Some of=
us
are even chased around the compound when we do that. This brought us to=
the
decent conclusion that some of our men have made some progress because th=
ey:
-love our independence
-are proud of us for setting goals for ourselves
-are not afraid of us reaching beyond their achievements
Another conclusion we reached, was that the men who are serious about
education do not seem to be intimidated by the independent, academically
sound Gambian woman's because those women are not seen as threats, but je=
wels
in Gambian society.
To those brothers who make us feel good about ourselves; who make us feel=
loved and not afraid to give us the opportunity to reach for the moon and=
stars, we say CONGRATULATIONS, and keep up the good work!
We still have a long way to go though, because we still have a majority o=
f
men who do not seem to encourage their women's growth and development
economically. Majority of women have no time for their own development: =
The
woman rises at 6 a.m. and prepares breakfast for the family and for herse=
lf,
which they will eat at midmorning. After fetching water from the tap or w=
ell,
she heads for her plot of land and it may be an hour's walk away. Until a=
bout
4:00 p.m. in the afternoon, she still, weeds or waters the land, stopping=
only briefly to eat whatever food she has taken with her. The two remaini=
ng
hours of daylight are used to cut firewood and to collect food for the
family, all which she carries home.
Usually, she arrives home as the sun is setting. Now there is work to be =
done
preparing the supper, a task that may occupy two hours or more. Sundays a=
re
spent washing clothes in the local river and then ironing, once the cloth=
es
are dry.
Her husband rarely appreciates all this hard work or listens to her
suggestions. He doesn't mind cutting down the trees or burning the forest=
underbush so that she can prepare the land for planting, but he does litt=
le
more. Occasionally he takes the children the river to wash themselves, an=
d he
may do a little hunting and fishing. But much of his day is spent talking=
with other menfolk of the village at the Bantabas.
If the husband can afford it, after a few years, he will bring home a ne=
w,
younger wife, who will become the centre of his affection. His first wife=
,
however, will still be expected to keep working always until her health f=
ails
or she dies.
SO, we asked ourselves: when does the woman has time for herself, her own=
development, her growth etc......? The answer is obviously no time at all=
=2E
But, what has changed in our generation?
Regards,
Ndey Jobarteh & Awa Sey
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Hi,
Some corrections ,I wanted to say "We can not develop our nation without
independent minded sisters "
For Freedom
Saiks
This is a discussion between two Gambian Sisters who were reflecting on t=
he
roles of women at home. This started by looking at the roles of the olde=
r
generation.
We were speaking about the difference between today's Gambian husband, an=
d
that of generations past. As we conversed, we stumbled across the topic
regarding how our moms were submissive to our dads, by calling them
"Nijai/M'Baring" as they
addressed them, and how that was seen as a sign of respect towards one's=
husband. In our generation though, we've noticed that when we do that (b=
e it
teasingly or seriously), they tend to be uncomfortable about it. Some of=
us
are even chased around the compound when we do that. This brought us to=
the
decent conclusion that some of our men have made some progress because th=
ey:
-love our independence
-are proud of us for setting goals for ourselves
-are not afraid of us reaching beyond their achievements
Another conclusion we reached, was that the men who are serious about
education do not seem to be intimidated by the independent, academically
sound Gambian woman's because those women are not seen as threats, but je=
wels
in Gambian society.
To those brothers who make us feel good about ourselves; who make us feel=
loved and not afraid to give us the opportunity to reach for the moon and=
stars, we say CONGRATULATIONS, and keep up the good work!
We still have a long way to go though, because we still have a majority o=
f
men who do not seem to encourage their women's growth and development
economically. Majority of women have no time for their own development: =
The
woman rises at 6 a.m. and prepares breakfast for the family and for herse=
lf,
which they will eat at midmorning. After fetching water from the tap or w=
ell,
she heads for her plot of land and it may be an hour's walk away. Until a=
bout
4:00 p.m. in the afternoon, she still, weeds or waters the land, stopping=
only briefly to eat whatever food she has taken with her. The two remaini=
ng
hours of daylight are used to cut firewood and to collect food for the
family, all which she carries home.
Usually, she arrives home as the sun is setting. Now there is work to be =
done
preparing the supper, a task that may occupy two hours or more. Sundays a=
re
spent washing clothes in the local river and then ironing, once the cloth=
es
are dry.
Her husband rarely appreciates all this hard work or listens to her
suggestions. He doesn't mind cutting down the trees or burning the forest=
underbush so that she can prepare the land for planting, but he does litt=
le
more. Occasionally he takes the children the river to wash themselves, an=
d he
may do a little hunting and fishing. But much of his day is spent talking=
with other menfolk of the village at the Bantabas.
If the husband can afford it, after a few years, he will bring home a ne=
w,
younger wife, who will become the centre of his affection. His first wife=
,
however, will still be expected to keep working always until her health f=
ails
or she dies.
SO, we asked ourselves: when does the woman has time for herself, her own=
development, her growth etc......? The answer is obviously no time at all=
=2E
But, what has changed in our generation?
Regards,
Ndey Jobarteh & Awa Sey
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Ndey & Awa,
Good point, and l always admire the brothers who are not threatened by thier
women, and who are supportive of them to follow their dreams. They are
jewels.
Unfortunately, l have also seen sisters whose husbands do not even
consider them intelligent enough to have a serious conversation with. Their
interaction is limited to that of the order giver, and the order taker.,
won't even eat with them, they just prepare a nice meal, and set a nice table
just for him, while they eat with the children.How then does one develop a
meaningful relationship this way?
Jabou Joh
This is a discussion between two Gambian Sisters who were reflecting on the
roles of women at home. This started by looking at the roles of the older
generation.
We were speaking about the difference between today's Gambian husband, and
that of generations past. As we conversed, we stumbled across the topic
regarding how our moms were submissive to our dads, by calling them
"Nijai/M'Baring" as they
addressed them, and how that was seen as a sign of respect towards one's
husband. In our generation though, we've noticed that when we do that (be it
teasingly or seriously), they tend to be uncomfortable about it. Some of us
are even chased around the compound when we do that. This brought us to the
decent conclusion that some of our men have made some progress because they:
-love our independence
-are proud of us for setting goals for ourselves
-are not afraid of us reaching beyond their achievements
Another conclusion we reached, was that the men who are serious about
education do not seem to be intimidated by the independent, academically
sound Gambian woman's because those women are not seen as threats, but jewels
in Gambian society.
To those brothers who make us feel good about ourselves; who make us feel
loved and not afraid to give us the opportunity to reach for the moon and
stars, we say CONGRATULATIONS, and keep up the good work!
We still have a long way to go though, because we still have a majority of
men who do not seem to encourage their women's growth and development
economically. Majority of women have no time for their own development: The
woman rises at 6 a.m. and prepares breakfast for the family and for herself,
which they will eat at midmorning. After fetching water from the tap or well,
she heads for her plot of land and it may be an hour's walk away. Until about
4:00 p.m. in the afternoon, she still, weeds or waters the land, stopping
only briefly to eat whatever food she has taken with her. The two remaining
hours of daylight are used to cut firewood and to collect food for the
family, all which she carries home.
Usually, she arrives home as the sun is setting. Now there is work to be done
preparing the supper, a task that may occupy two hours or more. Sundays are
spent washing clothes in the local river and then ironing, once the clothes
are dry.
Her husband rarely appreciates all this hard work or listens to her
suggestions. He doesn't mind cutting down the trees or burning the forest
underbush so that she can prepare the land for planting, but he does little
more. Occasionally he takes the children the river to wash themselves, and he
may do a little hunting and fishing. But much of his day is spent talking
with other menfolk of the village at the Bantabas.
If the husband can afford it, after a few years, he will bring home a new,
younger wife, who will become the centre of his affection. His first wife,
however, will still be expected to keep working always until her health fails
or she dies.
SO, we asked ourselves: when does the woman has time for herself, her own
development, her growth etc......? The answer is obviously no time at all.
But, what has changed in our generation?
Regards,
Ndey Jobarteh & Awa Sey
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Ebrima Ceesay wrote:
<< By the way, I must say here, that I always enjoy reading Jabou's postings
to
> the L. Sister, keep it up!! Who said Gambian women don't speak their minds?
> Not me, anyway.
>
> Cherno Baba, if I find time, these days, I'll explain myself again. I know
> things are far from being okay in our motherland. All I am saying, really,
> is that a badly flawed transition was preferable to a continuation of
> undiluted military.
>
> Take note that I did use the word UNDILUTED. In short, it is still a kind
of
> a military rule, but one which has been diluted. This is also recognised by
> Amnesty International. Anyway, I'll try and expand on these points once
> again if time permits me.
>
> However, I must say here, that I am in a very uncomfortable position on
this
> debate, because I don't want people to misunderstand my me: to think that I
> am holding a brief for Jammeh.
>
> As I warned in a previous posting, as a people, we should not allow
Jammeh's
> actions to divide to us. We are not the problem, or the issue. The issue
is,
> or should be, Mr Jammeh. We should engage in a process of trying to
> understand Mr Jammeh more, his tactics etc, so that we would be in a better
> to challenge him, if our needs and aspirations are not being addressed by
> him.
> >>
************************
Brother Ebrima,
l definitely do not believe that you are holding a brief for Jammeh. l also
do appreciate your very insightful postings, so please keep up the good work
down there.
Jabou Joh
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<< The ongoing debate is very useful and the contributions made by Jabou,
Cherno, Saul and others are healthy. All of us will not see a situation,
especially Gambia's, the same way. This is the paradox, yet our
positions can indeed overlap on some key issues. It is these that we
need to build on as we seek solutions to the challenges at home.
Cheers!
Abdoulaye Saine >>
*****************************
Abdoulaye,
l couldn't agree more. Please keep up the good work.
Jabou Joh >>
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Hi folks,
I came across a paper on the evolution of the Gambian
economy and it provides a very concise summary of the
economic performance from 1964-1998. The first 13 pages is
is easy to read, thereafter it becomes a little bit
technical. The evolution of the economy is divided into
four phases of real significance 1964-78, 1979-86,1987-94,
1995-98. Easy comparisons can be made. The paper can be
downloaded from:
http://www.imf.org/external/country/GMB/index.htm
and search under publications for a paper by Christian
Beddies (August 1999).
To Ndey, Jabou, Awa and the other sisters, I consider
myself to be liberal and believe in equality and
appreciate your contributions to the L. Keep the postings
coming.
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re my message.it should read mr. momodou taal and not mommodou taal.
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Anyone wondering why people like myself dislike the AFRC govt, should read
this story and multiply it by thousands. A govt that creates a climate where
anyone in uniform can take the law into his or her hands w/ impunity
deserves to be thrown out.
The tragedy of Gambian life is that stories like this are treated as if
they're normal. How can policemen savagely attack and beat a small boy for
no apparent reason. Where is the public out-cry or similar protest? The sad
fact is, unless the victim is a blood relative, most Gambians simply won't
bat an eye lid. What a shame!
Saul.
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>A twenty-two year old Gambian school leaver, Fadua Conteh, was beaten by
>police attached to the Tourism Development Area (TDA) and was hospitalised
>as
>a result, according to his father, Mr Ousman Conteh.
>
>Mr Conteh told The Independent that his son was admitted at the Royal
>Victoria
>Hospital Eye Ward to undergo treatment for wounds sustained during the
>beatings. He said doctors were treating damages to his son's left eye.
>
>Mr Conteh described the police attack as 'brutal, unprovoked and
>unjustified'.
>He said that his son had gone to Cape Point to see the general manager of
>the
>Cape Point Hotel, Mr. Ebrima Bojang, to receive some money from his mother
>who
>lives in Sweden.
>
>That was when, according to Fadua, the police stopped him and started
>beating
>him with a hard water hose.
>
>The police were very brutal and unfriendly when I went to the Cape Point
>Police station to enquire as to why my boy was brutalised,' Mr Conteh said.
>
>He said he then went to the Bakau Police station and complained to the
>Officer
>in Charge, Inspector Sanneh. The officer expressed regret at the action and
>took Fadua to the Bakau dispensary for treatment.
>
>'I later took my son to RVH for better treatment. My boy was beaten at
>about
>midday and he only received proper treatment at about 5pm,' he said.
>
>The concerned father was outraged, 'my boy really suffered and is still
>suffering. He is not a bumster or a thief. He has just left school, why
>should
>he be brutalised?'
>
>Mr. Conteh said he has decided to take the police to court for damages done
>to
>his son.'Even my boy is not ready for compromise,' Conteh said.Meanwhile,
>this
>paper has been reliably informed that Fadua was early last week discharged
>from the RVH..
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AwaKorima,
I am delighted to know that you found my last posting brilliant. Thank you
so much for your kind comments, even if I cannot sympathise with you on the
matter of the weather in Maine. You see, I live in Stockholm, and the
weathermen say it is going to be a fierce winter this time! On the other
hand, I hope you live far from Stephen King and his ghosts?........
Awa, Ndey,
Thanks for reminding us of who we are. I think though, that the tiltle is
potentially confusing. I mean that, the majority of Gambian women of your
own generation live as you powerfully illustrated in your article. Seems to
me to be more of the consequences and contradictions of the lives of women
in a predominantly agricultural/peasant society and that of those who have
stepped into an industrial social order. The different intellectual and
economic relations between husband and wife are fundamentally different.
Time is short for the moment, but I will elaborate on this eventually.
Modou S Sidibeh.
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> This is a discussion between two Gambian Sisters who were reflecting on
the
> roles of women at home. This started by looking at the roles of the older
> generation.
>
> We were speaking about the difference between today's Gambian husband, and
> that of generations past. As we conversed, we stumbled across the topic
> regarding how our moms were submissive to our dads, by calling them
> "Nijai/M'Baring" as they
> addressed them, and how that was seen as a sign of respect towards one's
> husband. In our generation though, we've noticed that when we do that (be
it
> teasingly or seriously), they tend to be uncomfortable about it. Some of
us
> are even chased around the compound when we do that. This brought us to
the
> decent conclusion that some of our men have made some progress because
they:
> -love our independence
> -are proud of us for setting goals for ourselves
> -are not afraid of us reaching beyond their achievements
>
> Another conclusion we reached, was that the men who are serious about
> education do not seem to be intimidated by the independent, academically
> sound Gambian woman's because those women are not seen as threats, but
jewels
> in Gambian society.
>
> To those brothers who make us feel good about ourselves; who make us feel
> loved and not afraid to give us the opportunity to reach for the moon and
> stars, we say CONGRATULATIONS, and keep up the good work!
>
> We still have a long way to go though, because we still have a majority of
> men who do not seem to encourage their women's growth and development
> economically. Majority of women have no time for their own development:
The
> woman rises at 6 a.m. and prepares breakfast for the family and for
herself,
> which they will eat at midmorning. After fetching water from the tap or
well,
> she heads for her plot of land and it may be an hour's walk away. Until
about
> 4:00 p.m. in the afternoon, she still, weeds or waters the land, stopping
> only briefly to eat whatever food she has taken with her. The two
remaining
> hours of daylight are used to cut firewood and to collect food for the
> family, all which she carries home.
>
> Usually, she arrives home as the sun is setting. Now there is work to be
done
> preparing the supper, a task that may occupy two hours or more. Sundays
are
> spent washing clothes in the local river and then ironing, once the
clothes
> are dry.
> Her husband rarely appreciates all this hard work or listens to her
> suggestions. He doesn't mind cutting down the trees or burning the forest
> underbush so that she can prepare the land for planting, but he does
little
> more. Occasionally he takes the children the river to wash themselves, and
he
> may do a little hunting and fishing. But much of his day is spent talking
> with other menfolk of the village at the Bantabas.
>
> If the husband can afford it, after a few years, he will bring home a
new,
> younger wife, who will become the centre of his affection. His first wife,
> however, will still be expected to keep working always until her health
fails
> or she dies.
>
> SO, we asked ourselves: when does the woman has time for herself, her own
> development, her growth etc......? The answer is obviously no time at all.
> But, what has changed in our generation?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ndey Jobarteh & Awa Sey
>
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The death of daddy Robert King,One of my Mother`s good friend
Me and my family are sending our sincere condolences to the hole entire
Family,May his saul rest in peace.
Marie Gillen and Family.
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The following article was culled from the PANA website. The Secretariat of
the African Commission is based in Fajara, The Gambia.
Africa's Human Rights Situation Is Cause For Concern
November 15, 1999
KIGALI, Rwanda (PANA) - Africa's human rights situation is continuing to
arouse a great deal of concern in several countries, noted the 26th ordinary
session of the African Commission of Human and Peoples' Rights (ACHPR) which
ended on Monday in Kigali.
The 26-point communique adopted at the end of the proceedings, stated that
various non-governmental organisations expressed "their concern" about the
human rights situation in Sierra Leone, Liberia, Algeria, Chad, Sudan,
Djibouti, Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Uganda, DR Congo, Burundi, Congo
Brazzaville, Cameroon and Angola.
The communiqu denounced "summary and arbitrary extra-judicial executions,
humanitarian conditions of imprisonment and detention, mass population
movements, obstacles to freedom of expression, movement and association,
forced disappearances, and the violations that women, children, the disabled
and the elderly in particular, fall victim to in countries engaged in armed
conflict".
The commission also decided to send missions to Sierra Leone, Djibouti,
Kenya and Burundi "to inquire about human rights in these countries."
The commission, which decided to hold its next session from 27 April to 11
May 2000 in Algeria, considered and adopted an additional draft protocol to
the African Charter concerning women's rights in Africa.
It decided to send this draft document to the general secretariat of the OAU
to enable it to "take appropriate follow- up action".
Rwandan Justice Minster Jean de Dieu Muco, who officially closed the
proceedings, repeated his country's promise to ratify the protocol creating
the African Court of Human Rights "in the very near future".
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I'm sure you will get some info from other G-Lers at the program, but I will submit my observations tomorrow.
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Ndey & Awa,
Nice work! This is a great one and a food for thought for every guy out =
there. I`ll like to confess that I find your contributions very =
enlightening, and would like to commend both of you. May I also seize =
the opportunity to praise sister Jabou Joh, and every other sister out =
there.
Regards,
Omar.
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Emne: Re: Intergenerational Dialogue between two women
>Ndey & Awa,
>
>Good point, and l always admire the brothers who are not threatened by =
thier
>women, and who are supportive of them to follow their dreams. They are
>jewels.
> Unfortunately, l have also seen sisters whose husbands do not even
>consider them intelligent enough to have a serious conversation with. =
Their
>interaction is limited to that of the order giver, and the order =
taker.,
>won't even eat with them, they just prepare a nice meal, and set a nice =
table
>just for him, while they eat with the children.How then does one =
develop a
>meaningful relationship this way?
>
>Jabou Joh
>
>
>This is a discussion between two Gambian Sisters who were reflecting on =
the
> roles of women at home. This started by looking at the roles of the =
older
> generation.
>
> We were speaking about the difference between today's Gambian husband, =
and
> that of generations past. As we conversed, we stumbled across the =
topic
> regarding how our moms were submissive to our dads, by calling them
> "Nijai/M'Baring" as they
> addressed them, and how that was seen as a sign of respect towards =
one's
> husband. In our generation though, we've noticed that when we do that =
(be it
> teasingly or seriously), they tend to be uncomfortable about it. Some =
of us
> are even chased around the compound when we do that. This brought us =
to the
> decent conclusion that some of our men have made some progress because =
they:
> -love our independence
> -are proud of us for setting goals for ourselves
> -are not afraid of us reaching beyond their achievements
>
> Another conclusion we reached, was that the men who are serious about
> education do not seem to be intimidated by the independent, =
academically
> sound Gambian woman's because those women are not seen as threats, but =
jewels
> in Gambian society.
>
> To those brothers who make us feel good about ourselves; who make us =
feel
> loved and not afraid to give us the opportunity to reach for the moon =
and
> stars, we say CONGRATULATIONS, and keep up the good work!
>
> We still have a long way to go though, because we still have a =
majority of
> men who do not seem to encourage their women's growth and development
> economically. Majority of women have no time for their own =
development: The
> woman rises at 6 a.m. and prepares breakfast for the family and for =
herself,
> which they will eat at midmorning. After fetching water from the tap =
or well,
> she heads for her plot of land and it may be an hour's walk away. =
Until about
> 4:00 p.m. in the afternoon, she still, weeds or waters the land, =
stopping
> only briefly to eat whatever food she has taken with her. The two =
remaining
> hours of daylight are used to cut firewood and to collect food for the
> family, all which she carries home.
>
> Usually, she arrives home as the sun is setting. Now there is work to =
be done
> preparing the supper, a task that may occupy two hours or more. =
Sundays are
> spent washing clothes in the local river and then ironing, once the =
clothes
> are dry.
> Her husband rarely appreciates all this hard work or listens to her
> suggestions. He doesn't mind cutting down the trees or burning the =
forest
> underbush so that she can prepare the land for planting, but he does =
little
> more. Occasionally he takes the children the river to wash themselves, =
and he
> may do a little hunting and fishing. But much of his day is spent =
talking
> with other menfolk of the village at the Bantabas.
>
> If the husband can afford it, after a few years, he will bring home a =
new,
> younger wife, who will become the centre of his affection. His first =
wife,
> however, will still be expected to keep working always until her =
health fails
> or she dies.
>
> SO, we asked ourselves: when does the woman has time for herself, her =
own
> development, her growth etc......? The answer is obviously no time at =
all.
> But, what has changed in our generation?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ndey Jobarteh & Awa Sey
> >>
>
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DR.taal,i thought that you were a man of principle,with all the things going
on in banjul,you all cannot stand up to yaya jammeh.i would have been better
to find yourself another e-mail address rather than using that stupid
one.you all need to have honor,with all the harassment and firing of
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yaya's behind.the government have threaten GAMBIANET,by forcing them to
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> DR.taal,i thought that you were a man of principle,with all the things
going
> on in banjul,you all cannot stand up to yaya jammeh.i would have been
better
> to find yourself another e-mail address rather than using that stupid
> one.you all need to have honor,with all the harassment and firing of
> civilian servants from their jobs without a good reason,you keep kissing
> yaya's behind.the government have threaten GAMBIANET,by forcing them to
> disable VOICEOUT.What do you all thing about that?i very sorry for the
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> of my words my fellow brothers and sisters.
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Dr. Taal,
As far as I'm concern, you're welcome. I only hope you'll be able to explain
some of your boss' actions. More often than not, he leaves people truly
baffled w/ the whimsical/illogical decisions he makes regarding hiring and
firing public officials.
And the issues he conveniently ignores. For someone who has made
"accountability and transparency" his mantra, Yaya is awfully slow in
responding to the AG's damning report of corruption in the upper echelons of
his admn. Maybe you can help w/ explaining that. Eh?
Saul.
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>going
>on in banjul,you all cannot stand up to yaya jammeh.i would have been
>better
>to find yourself another e-mail address rather than using that stupid
>one.you all need to have honor,with all the harassment and firing of
>civilian servants from their jobs without a good reason,you keep kissing
>yaya's behind.the government have threaten GAMBIANET,by forcing them to
>disable VOICEOUT.What do you all thing about that?i very sorry for the tone
>of my words my fellow brothers and sisters.
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In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
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Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah
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Furqania Academy Trust, a pioneering Islamic research and Dawah institute o=
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the Indian sub-continent is now available online at:
http://www.furqania.com
The Academy whose overriding objective is Islamisation of knowledge and to
establish the marvelous aspects of the holy Qur=92an in the light of modern
discoveries and inventions, has to its credit more than 70 well researched
publications on the subject. All these publications are being made
available online gradually at this site. Besides, the Academy has one of
the largest and richest collections of the basic Islamic references in its
Public Reference Library. Plans are afoot to render this as well online.
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We have plans to ensure that this message reaches every Muslim and the
Muslimah on the net. We seek your assistance and cooperation in this noble
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That those who died might die after a Clear Sign had been given, and those
who lived might live after a Clear Sign had been given. (Holy Qur=92an)
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Thanking you and Wassalam
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Yours brotherly,
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for FURQANIA ACADEMY TRUST
ASSTT. SECRETARY
SAYEEDUR RAHMAN NADVI.
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Shedding some light on how the media can twist any story to suit them
Our Islamic views are stated below
WASHINGTON, DC - 11/16/99) - The Council on American-Islamic
Relations (CAIR), a Washington-based Islamic advocacy group, today
issued a statement calling on journalists and commentators to
exercise restraint in reporting allegations that a crew member of
EgyptAir Flight 990 recited a "prayer" before that plane crashed in
the Atlantic. CAIR also offered an outline of some religious phrases
that Muslim use on a daily basis.
The statement read as follows:
"Based on past experience with incidents such as the Oklahoma City
bombing and the crash of TWA Flight 800, it is clear that this type
of developing story requires hard information, not just speculation.
"Unfortunately, we are already reading and hearing about linkages
between the alleged 'prayer' of a EgyptAir crew member and the
deaths of more than 200 innocent people. This linkage comes before
anyone has an opportunity to know exactly what was said, when it was
said or in what context it was uttered.
"One of the most difficult challenges for any media professional is
reporting on an unfamiliar culture or religion. The potential for
misunderstanding and misinformation resulting from such reporting
mandates an extra degree of caution.
"Religious phrases that any Muslim would utter on a daily basis
include:
1) Alhamdulillah, "Praise be to God" - This phrase is used to
express acceptance of God's will. For example, when a Muslim is
asked how he or she is feeling, the answer would be alhamdulillah.
2) Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim, "In the Name of God, the
Compassionate, the Merciful" - This sentence is used before eating,
driving a car or at the commencement of any number of actions.
3) La hawla wa la quwwata illa billah, "There is no strength or
power except with God" - This is said in times of crisis.
4) La illaha il-lallah, Muhammadan rasul Allah, "There is no deity
but God, and Muhammad is the messenger of God" - This is the Islamic
declaration of faith.
"The last phrase may also be used when someone is near death.
"These are just a few of the religiously-oriented phrases an Muslim
might repeat. None of them would indicate any criminal intent.
"Religious and cultural misinformation will not produce the result
we all seek; accurate and objective reporting."
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EgyptAir 990 Pilot's Prayer A Criminal Act?
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- A Muslim pilot's prayer as an
EgyptAir plane was going down is said to point toward a
criminal act, and the investigation into last month's
crash off Massachusetts may be turned over to the U.S.
Federal Bureau of Investigations.
The Washington Post reported today: "The voice and data
recorders from EgyptAir Flight 990 reveal that just
before one of the pilots, apparently alone in the
cockpit, turned off the autopilot, he uttered a very
short Muslim prayer, government sources said. National
Transportation Safety Board officials found the evidence
so disturbing they are considering turning the probe
over to the FBI."
Television news today displayed the words of the Islamic
prayer, known as the Shahadah, as the prayer uttered by
the EgyptAir pilot.
Until now aviation experts have stated that there could
be benign reasons for taking the plane off autopilot,
and shutting down the engines, but the utterance of the
Shahadah has caused the NTSB/FBI team to classify the
investigation as a criminal matter.
If this is all the evidence available to date, then this
is a grievous act of bigotry by representatives of the
U.S. government.
A Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, or Christian may well utter a
prayer when confronted with a potentially deadly
situation. A prayer so uttered is not in itself evidence
of a deliberate criminal act.
The Shahadah is one of the five "pillars of Islam." It
is a short prayer: "There is no god but God; Muhammad is
the Messenger of God." The four other pillars of Islam
are prayer five times daily, fasting, alms-giving, and
the pilgrimage to Mecca.
To become a Muslim, one has only to recite the Shahadah.
Like the pilgrimage to Mecca, it is required only once
in a lifetime. However, pious Muslims recite the
Shahadah throughout their lives, even as often as
several times each day -- particularly in times of
distress. It is recited as one is dying, and if one
cannot do so someone else may recite the Shahadah for
them.
It is normal for the Muslim pilot of EgyptAir 990 to
have uttered the Shahadah if confronted with a deadly
situation beyond his control. What is not normal is to
consider this a criminal act.
Normally the transfer of an investigation from one
agency to another would not be a matter of concern. But
we question the transfer of the investigation to the FBI
whose case against the blind, Egyptian, Muslim cleric
was not one which would inspire confidence.
The New York Times (October 2, and September 22, 1995)
reported that there was scant evidence that Sheikh
Rahman even knew of the plan to bomb the World Trade
Center, and other buildings in New York. The
government's primary witness against Sheikh Rahman was
an FBI informant, Mr. Emad Salem, who confessed to lying
under oath in a previous trial. Six months before the
World Trade Center bombing, the FBI terminated Mr. Salem
after he failed several lie detector tests. Then
following the bombing Mr. Salem was rehired for a fee of
over $1 million.
The Shahadah is the last sentence of The Wisdom Fund's
600 word introduction to Islam, known as "The Truth
About Islam," available on the Internet at
htt://www.twf.org, and which has been displayed in
international journals and in Washington Metro rail
stations.
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Thanks sister Jabou for another good source of info.
Habib
Jabou Joh wrote:
> In a message dated 11/16/99 8:03:54 PM Central Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
>
> Dear Brothers and Sisters,
> Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah
>
> Furqania Academy Trust, a pioneering Islamic research and Dawah institute of
> the Indian sub-continent is now available online at:
> http://www.furqania.com
> The Academy whose overriding objective is Islamisation of knowledge and to
> establish the marvelous aspects of the holy Qur’an in the light of modern
> discoveries and inventions, has to its credit more than 70 well researched
> publications on the subject. All these publications are being made
> available online gradually at this site. Besides, the Academy has one of
> the largest and richest collections of the basic Islamic references in its
> Public Reference Library. Plans are afoot to render this as well online.
>
> We have plans to ensure that this message reaches every Muslim and the
> Muslimah on the net. We seek your assistance and cooperation in this noble
> endeavour. So, be kind enough to circulate this mail among your circle of
> acquaintances and serve the cause of Almighty Allah.
>
> That those who died might die after a Clear Sign had been given, and those
> who lived might live after a Clear Sign had been given. (Holy Qur’an)
>
> Thanking you and Wassalam
>
> Yours brotherly,
>
> for FURQANIA ACADEMY TRUST
> ASSTT. SECRETARY
> SAYEEDUR RAHMAN NADVI.
>
> >>
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<< Shedding some light on how the media can twist any story to suit them
Our Islamic views are stated below
WASHINGTON, DC - 11/16/99) - The Council on American-Islamic
Relations (CAIR), a Washington-based Islamic advocacy group, today
issued a statement calling on journalists and commentators to
exercise restraint in reporting allegations that a crew member of
EgyptAir Flight 990 recited a "prayer" before that plane crashed in
the Atlantic. CAIR also offered an outline of some religious phrases
that Muslim use on a daily basis. >>
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La hawla wala huwwata, illa billah, Ignorance is a terrible thing. It is
common knowledge to muslims that if the Shahada is the last words on a dying
muslim's lips, Allah will grant them paradise.May Allah save us from
ignorance.
Jabou
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FYI.
Cheers,
Madiba.
--
We shall all live. We pray for Life, Children, a good harvest and
happiness. You will have what is good for you and I will have what is good
for me. Let the Kite perch and let the Eagle perch too. If one says no to
the other, let his wing break. --Chinua Achebe, (Things Fall Apart).
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Tuesday, 16 November 1999
Achebe and our places of memory
By Don Adinuba
ADMITTEDLY, seldom can anyone who appreciates Chinua Achebe's greatness as
one of 20th century's most gifted personalities fail to be moved by the
spectacle of his present physical condition. We are only consoled by the
awareness that, as Christie, the writer's graceful and adorable academic
wife, has remarked pointedly, we recognise and pay homage to Chinua Achebe
not because of his legs but because of his writing, a concomitant of his
prodigious mental depth and philosophical range. His faculties are today as
penetrating as they have ever been, as they were in 1958 when he published
the world classic Things Fall Apart, at age 28. The more fascinating and
deeper part of a recent meeting between Achebe and Mbadinuju was the naming
of the road linking Government House in Awka with the legislative building
and the judicial offices for the writer of genius. With the naming of this
major road for him, Achebe has become, to the best of my knowledge, the
first Nigerian artist to have a street named after him in a capital city,
all the more so by the government.
Some people may not consider this honour a big deal. Nigerian streets, after
all, bear the names of all manner of people, including those who in a saner
society would have been dead or in jail for heinous crimes against their own
people. Some may even wonder whether Achebe needs to have a street named for
him in his state capital when he was in 1978 named the first recipient of
the National Merit Award, the country's highest honour for intellectual
achievement. Or when he has for decades been one of the very few foreigners
to be admitted into the highly revered cult of the American Modern Language
Association. Or when his books have been translated into scores of languages
and he is in high demand in the most important of places the world over.
Isn't Achebe the winner of numerous prestigious prizes and the recipient of
over 30 honorary doctoral degrees, by far the highest number for any African
after former President Nelson Mandela? Achebe is one of the few iconographic
figures in world history whose novels are compulsory reading for students in
fields as diverse as psychology, anthropology, sociology, philosophy,
history, religion, comparative theology, political science, etc. For
instance, Claude Ake, the late eminent scholar of political economy, is
known to have insisted on his students reading Achebe's A Man Of The People
before taking them in courses on Nigerian politics and government. And in
several universities the world over, Achebe's novels are compulsory for
courses on African and Third World societies. Achebe, of course, remains the
greatest individual influence on an entire generation of African writers.
Declares distinguished Somali writer Nurudin Farah: "I've always held
Achebe's writing in the highest esteem, believing it to be the most singular
contribution the continent of African has made to world literature... He has
no equal among us and many of us owe a great deal to him."
Still, the honour done him by the Anambra State Government is significant.
Achebe is a world citizen who is very much conscious of his roots which he
regards as the source of his artistic accomplishment and virtuosity. At the
time of the car accident in 1990, he was the president of the Ogidi
Development Union, a post he took seriously, and he invested immeasurable
time, mental and intellectual resources in it. "One of the most appealing
aspects of Achebe's presence," says Michael Thelwell, the Jamaican professor
at the University of Massachusetts, "is the sense of his being anchored in
community. Within a personality of great complexity, an integrity of
identity: On the one hand, a charming and sophisticated man of our time,
travelled, worldly. On the other, the rooted dignity and calm of a
responsible African elder fully integrated into the daily life and rhythm of
community."
The honour to Achebe is significant for another reason: homage to a man of
learning, scholarship, wisdom and integrity rather than to a man of raw
power and money. Since 1985, major streets, institutions and monuments in
Nigeria have been named for the Babangidas and the Abachas in keeping with
the feudal and imperial concept of power and of conquer and subjugation. The
Kano State Government House was in the last few years named for Sani Abacha
until last June, though the state's stadium is still called the Sani Abacha
Stadium. A major Federal Government housing estate near Sheraton Hotel in
Abuja is still named for Abacha's first son, Ibrahim Abacha, just like a
public motor park in Owerri, Imo State. The press centre in Government House
in Lagos was named for him until Governor Bola Tinubu changed it recently.
Such examples are legion.
Our universities, supposedly centres of ethical integrity, have not fared
better. The University of Nigeria awarded, with great fanfare, an honorary
doctorate to Mrs. Maryam Babangida during her hey-day, and Nnamdi Azikiwe
University followed suit immediately Mrs. Maryam Abacha appeared on the
scene as the first lady. Jeremiah Useni used to receive degrees and
certificates from Nigerian higher institutions almost every weekend during
his days as the powerful minister of the Federal Capital Territory.
Abdulkareem Adisa got quite a number when he was the Minister of Works and
Housing. Dan Etete, Abacha's Minister of Petroleum Resources, received a
doctorate from the University of Port Harcourt at the height of the energy
crisis which paralysed the entire nation. Edo State University announced it
was conferring an honorary Doctorate of Letters on Abacha's pugnacious
Foreign Affairs Minister Tom Ikimi in appreciation of his "area boy"
diplomacy. Indeed, there is a "crisis in the temple," as venerable Pius
Okigbo has observed of Nigerian universities. Which is why it is surprising
that Ismaila Gwarzo and Hamza El-Mustapha, Abacha's ruthless security
operatives, have not been decorated by our institutions for their high
regard for the dignity of the human person. The duo of Babangida and Abacha
truly perverted our social values, the greatest calamity to befall a nation.
Under the duo, Nigerians became mammon disciples, worshipping at shrines of
gods that always fail, as Edward Said, the scintillating Palestinian scholar
at Columbia University in New York, observed in his BBC prestigious Reith
Lecture series, now published as a book under the title Representations Of
The Intellectual.
Do we ever reflect on the implications of holding up Babangida and Abacha as
well as their wives and children as role models? What legacy are our
universities creating when they honour such barely literate but wealthy and
ex-powerful government officials as Adisa, Etete, Useni, etc? Which of our
universities is today proud to have bestowed honorary doctorates on Ani,
Ikimi, and wives of Abacha and Babangida? No wonder, we are still stuck in
history, wedded to the primitive age of mankind. We canonise iniquity.
When we honour someone with an honorary degree or name an institution or
monument for him or her, we are, ipso facto, creating a value system which
will either ruin or salvage the larger society. "Every country," argues
Richard Bernstein, the engaging American journalist and social thinker, in
his seminal book, Dictatorship of Virtue, "has what the French historian
Pierre Nora has called les lieux de memoire, 'the places of memory.' Nora
defined them as the 'most striking symbols' that give a people their
identity, 'the holidays,' the insignia, the monuments and memorials, the
objects of veneration, the dictionaries and museums." The French, great
lovers of the intellectual and philosophical tradition, as of their wine,
name their streets and public places for writers, thinkers, scientists and
truly great statesmen and personages in their march of civilisation. Nora
records "historical moments as the anniversaries of the births of Voltaire
and Rousseau, the funeral of Victor Hugo, the centennial observation in 1879
of the great revolution" as some of the places of memory in France. It was
within this stream of consciousness that President Charles de Gaul
proclaimed about a radical writer and philosopher: "Jean Paul-Satre is
France!" As Chinua Achebe today marks his 69th birthday anniversary, we
stand in awe before the Eagle on the Iroko.
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Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death
No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as
abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the
House. But different men often see the same subject in different
lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful
to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character
very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely
and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing
before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own
part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or
slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to
be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope
to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we
hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such
a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as
guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty
toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of
hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen
to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this
the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for
liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes,
see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern
their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it
may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and
to provide for it.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp
of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the
past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in
the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify
those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves
and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has
been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your
feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves
how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike
preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and
armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown
ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in
to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the
implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings
resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its
purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any
other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this
quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies
and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can
be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us
those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And
what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have
been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer
upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light
of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort
to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which
have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir,
deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to
avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have
remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before
the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical
hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted;
our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our
supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with
contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may
we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer
any room for hope. If we wish to be free -- if we mean to preserve
inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long
contending -- if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in
which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves
never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be
obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal
to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable
an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week,
or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a
British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather
strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of
effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the
delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand
and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means
which the God of nature hath placed in our power.
The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in
such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force
which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight
our battles alone.
There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and
who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir,
is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the
brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to
desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no
retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their
clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable
-- and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace,
Peace -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next
gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of
resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we
here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is
life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of
chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course
others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.
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Hi folks,
I would like all of us to excercise some restraint in our postings. Following
a request from Dr. Saja Taal to be subscribed to Gambia-L, I saw no fewer that
2 postings that bodered on, or were personal attacks on him. This is rather
unfortunate, especially in light of recent postings about embarking on a course
of reconciliation and constructive debate and dialog on Gambia-L. I mean what
exactly is a "stupid" e-mail address, and who cares whether or not an e-mail
address is stupid?
May I also take the opportunity to inform Dr. Taal that Gambia-L managers do
not act on subscription requests sent to the list. This is for nothing other
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Hehehehehehe...opps, may not be funny to all!!
Enjoy.
Madiba.
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Women Flock to Silicon Valley in Search of Men
November 14, 1999
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PALO ALTO, California (Reuters) -- The world capital of technology and
innovation became the site of a more social gathering this weekend as
hundreds of women from as far away as Britain came looking for single men.
With California's Silicon Valley now surpassing Anchorage, Alaska, for the
biggest percentage of unattached men, American Singles held its national
convention here, promising women they could find not just any man, but a
stable man with a steady job, and perhaps even an Internet millionaire.
What many found instead was more women. Attendance at the event was
disproportionately female and many women left early or took to the dance
floor with each other.
Some local women cynically confided to the out-of-towners that the
statistics lied and said that if there was truly a surplus of men, most
preferred a late night in front of a computer screen to a romantic dinner.
"I met some girls who drove down from Portland, Oregon," said one
37-year-old woman from Oakland, California. "They looked incredibly good for
having driven for 14 hours but they were not thrilled when they got here."
By the end of the evening, the women from Portland were nowhere to be found.
Some men admit to desperation
Those women who did stick it out saw the odds improve slightly as the night
went on. Several men on their way home from work dropped in on the party,
saying they were willing to try just about anything to meet someone of the
opposite sex.
"It's absolutely true that there's a shortage of women," said Greg
Friedland, a 25-year-old software developer at Oracle Corp. He came to the
American Singles event with a group of friends who confessed to being
desperate.
"There's so many men here that the women don't have to do anything. They
just sit there looking pretty and the guys swarm around," said Friedland.
Another young software engineer employed at Hewlett-Packard Co said he came
to the convention after striking out in several other venues including a
flower arranging class.
"There's a very poor population of single women in the area," he said. "And
I think the women who are here get hit on so often that they don't come out
much."
The area's lopsided male-female ratios made national headlines this year
after a local newspaper analyzed census data and concluded that Santa Clara
County, California, had the largest concentration of unattached men of any
metropolitan region in the country.
Women warned they may have to share
American Singles founder Richard Gosse seized on the data, offering women
from around the country their registration fee back if they did not meet one
good man.
Later he clarified that he never promised the women would be able to have
that one good man all to themselves, and that a couple of women might end up
meeting the same good man.
Gosse, author of books such as "You Can Hurry Love" and "Looking for Love in
All the Right Places," does not have the best track record with his singles
conventions. He scheduled last year's event in Anchorage on the first day of
hunting season and got three women attendees for every man.
So where were all the men this year?
Gosse once again picked a bad weekend. Sunday marked the start of the Comdex
convention in Las Vegas, the computer industry's biggest trade show, where
hundreds of thousands of high-tech types convene to get a look at new
gadgets and hear luminaries like Microsoft CEO Bill Gates speak.
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fellow teamers
after being urged by not just richard riehle but 2 others to share
some (shall we say less than pleasant) local or bay area info in a
certain
vein it has recently come to my attention that one major "ada" software
vendor
(i.e.,Rational) is the subject of some serious concerns(perhaps
litigation) concerning continual lack of support. the not so big firm
does mainly defense software work in the san jose area and another
commercially directed ada s/w firm not so far away has had
not much luck either in getting support from this same major vendor..
last but not least a major aerospace corporation in sunnyvale has let
it be known that due to an apparently lingering problem with support for
ada
that they are shifting gears to c++ much to the disappointment of the
current ada community... seemingly mgmt has again dropped the ball away
from technological strength and veered toward the more financial
vein(which
will certainly bode less well down the pipe for those who bother to
watch
the store at all).
are we being hard on Rational ? Probably but darn it isn't it about
time
we pointed out with the above data that there is much room for
improvement
in how they are catering to the ada worl of late or
their mgmt completely lose focus....? only time willl tell.
disgruntled- you bet !
Hi danny sorry I emailed you that c++ file, I forgot to change the
format before i posted it.
Man, the project is the size of the whole damn world.Anyway, on the
bright side am coping well, if coding 15hrs a wk is anything to go by,
even by Richard's very high standards.hhhhaaaaaah
Gotta chill baby
And, hey, Win2000 Networks have not failed Leicester University(yet!!).I
spoke to a colleague there the other day, and he told me after the
initial hiccups, everything is cool and very firm. I am not too sure.I
am sticking with Novell. Tried and tested!!
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>Richard,
>
>Thanks for your thoughtful response to my polemic. I started
>it as a response to Rush Kester's question and lost control
>as my passion grew more intense. Then, looking if over after
>composing it, I toned it down (believe it or not), before
>launching across the planet.
>
>Interesting how many readers have already sent me notes of
>approbation for some of my key points.
>
>I understand the importance of making the profit. I run a business
>too. I have run larger businesses in the past, and am clear on
>the duty of a coporation to its stockholders.
>
>That being said, I find it a little frustrating that those of us
>engaged in the sale of Ada products and services cannot seem to
>find a way to better publicize our successes. I find it puzzling
>that an organization founded to develop and market Ada products
>has turned its back on the very technology that gave it a start.
>It is confounding that we are relying on volunteers [you mentioned
>Hal Hart] for the expansion of our marketplace.
>
>At the recent SigAda there plenty enough of naysayers, several of
>whom took the trouble to buttonhole me and pronounce their conclusion
>of doom. There were others who continue to be optimistic because
>they see new projects in place, observe some on-going support for
>their efforts, and expect more positive developments in the future.
>
>I think there is evidence that some progress is being made even as
>some organizations make the mistake of converting over to C++. It
>is probably necessary for them to try C++ so they can feel better
>about Ada when they discover just how bad it really is for serious
>software development. It is a little like the fellow who bangs his
>head against the wall because it feels so good when he stops.
>
>Meanwhile, people who know better need to be taking more responsible
>positions. Those who realize the benefits of Ada ought to be guiding
>their clients, present and future, away from the treacherous waters
>they have chosen. Like Ulysses, binding his sailors to the masts to
>protect them from the seductive songs of deadly Sirens, a responsible
>enterprise will seek to protect its charges rather than let them
>follow the music into disaster.
>
>Yes, we need to make a profit. Already, we have realized that many of
>our former Ada clients are asking for C++ classes. We do not turn down
>business, so we are providing that training. We continue to promote
Ada
>even as we teach other languages. Recently, a couple of students
>complained
>in a C++ class that we mentioned Ada too often. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
They
>really need to know the differences if they are building DoD software.
>People's lives depend on this stuff.
>
>Absent the support of our compiler publishers, absent a coordinated
>marketing communications or public relations effort of the ARA, we
>can do something. Those of us who are able to write coherent and
>interesting articles should be doing so. Those of us who are able
>to present papers and tutorials should be doing so. Those of us who
>are able to get on the program committee of some computer conference
>should be doing so. Go into the world and preach where it is needed.
>
>It is clear that the ARA is not moving to advance the awareness of the
>public regarding Ada. Nothing has happened for a long time that anyone
>can notice. The efforts of people such as you, Dr. Conn, have made
>a huge difference. We need more of you if Ada is going to get any
>attention from the rest of the computing community.
>
>Is Rational doing anything to promote Ada? Not that we can see. Is the
>ARA doing anything? There is little evidence of it. Is any other
compiler
>publisher doing anything beyond promoting their own product? Perhaps.
It
>does not seem obvious. All the significant effort, at present, seems
>to be from volunteers. I guess we simply need to accept this and
recruit
>more volunteers.
>
>Richard
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Sorry guys that posting was meant for team ADA.
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Abdoulie A. Jallow
"If you will tell me why the fen
appears impassable, I then
will tell you why I think that I
can get across it if I try."
I May, I Might I Must - by Marianne Moore=20
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Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 7:08 PM
Subject: Africa: Statements on Globalization
Africa: Statements on Globalization
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+++++++++++++++++++++Document Profile+++++++++++++++++++++
Region: Continent-Wide
Issue Areas: +political/rights+ +economy/development+ =20
Summary Contents:=20
This posting contains slightly condensed versions of two
documents on the occasion of the meeting of the Commonwealth
Heads of Government in Durban, South Africa, November 12-14,
1999. [The full text of both documents is available at=20
http://www.africapolicy.org/docs99/com9911.htm] The first is
an address by the General Secretary of the Congress of South
African Trade Unions (COSATU) to a meeting in Durban organized
by the Commonwealth Trade Union Council (CTUC). The second is
an official declaration by the Commonwealth meeting. Nineteen
of the 54 Commonwealth member states are in Africa.
Links for additional background:
COSATU: http://www.cosatu.org.za
Commonwealth Trade Union Council:=20
http://www.tcol.co.uk/comorg/ctuc.htm
Commonwealth Summit in Durban:
http://www.chogm99.org
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Zwelinzima Vavi, COSATU General Secretary =20
Address to a meeting on Globalisation and Social Justice -
Trade Union View
12 November 1999
The theme chosen for this Commonwealth Heads of Governments
Meeting "Globalisation and people centered development"
reflects both a desire and a challenge we all face in the
rapid and deepening process of globalisation.
To a growing number of the world citizens in particular from
the developing nations, globalisation has become synonymous
with the mostly negatives issues rather than the positives.
The survey conducted by UNICEF and the UNDP on social spending
in Africa reveals that only three countries in Africa are
allocating more than 20% of budget funds for use on basic
health care, education and nutrition -- a target set by the
1995 UN Social Summit in Copenhagen. According to Kofi Annan,
the Secretary General of the UN, 44% of all Africans -- and
51% of these in Sub-Saharan Africa live in absolute poverty.=20
At the same time Africa's debt stock has increased from $344
billion to $350 billion in 1998, and is equivalent to more
than 300% of exports of goods and services from Africa. The
average African household today consumes 20% less than it did
25 years ago. Economic growth rates in the African continent
continue to decline, as well as development assistance, which
has dropped from $23 billion in 1992 to $18,7 billion in 1997.=20
On the other hand, according to the UNDP report, Americans
spend more than $8 billion a year on cosmetics - $2 billion
more than the estimated annual total needed to provide basic
education for everyone in the world. In 1996 alone Ethiopia
had a total foreign debt of $10 billion, whilst in the same
year Europe spent $11 billion on ice cream alone! The three
richest people in the world have assets that exceed the
combined gross domestic product of the 48 least developed
countries.=20
At the end of 1997 nearly 31 million people were living with
HIV, up from 22,3 million the year before. With 16 000 new
infections a day -- 90% percent in developing countries -- it
is now estimated that 40 million people will be living with
HIV in 2000.=20
The struggle for alternatives to the type of globalisation
system is under these circumstances a struggle for the
survival of human civilisation. To billions who have been on
the receiving end of brutal global system, globalisation has
meant:
Growing gap between the rich and the poor within nations and
between nations in particular between the North and the South
Destruction of quality jobs and their replacement by
casualisation and temporal jobs brought to bear by a process
of sub contracting of so called non core business activities
Growing unemployment in particular in the developing
countries, which goes hand in hand with poverty that itself
leads to more social problems such as HIV/AIDS and violence.
Growing number and accidents of using children in the world of
work without due regard to their health, well being and
future.
Displacement of government's role in the economic and social
responsibilities as a result of the growing power wielded by
the multinational corporations who seek more mobility at the
expense of nations development
Intense competition between nations to attract the scarce
investment and in the process involve themselves in a race to
reach the bottom first and consequently trample on human and
trade union rights.=20
No wonder that some citizens of the world are beginning to
shout slogans such as "down with globalisation -- down with
the WTO, IMF and World Bank."
Globalisation is an objective reality we face and it is here
to stay, industrialisation process can not be altered. The
challenge is not to push our heads into the sand like an
ostrich or wish it away. The greatest challenge to humankind
as we move closer to the 21 century is to make globalisation
relevant to the ordinary people of the world. ...=20
A people centered development as the theme of this the 1999
Commonwealth Head of Governments Meeting should be a battle
cry for all the human kind interested in contesting the
direction of globalisation.
The Commonwealth Trade Union Council (CTUC) has sent a
delegation of six senior leaders to this august CHOGM 1999
meeting. We have come to lobby governments about the need to
take a new direction. We have compiled a submission for the
1999 Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM). ... We
have come here to make a call for the globalisation of core
labour standards and human rights. ...
In this century we have seen lowering of labour standards
mainly but not limited to Export Processing Zones where labour
laws are suspended in the name of export promotion. We have
also seen the creation of sweatshops by multinationals. ...
The majority of the members of the Commonwealth are the
developing countries, the countries of the South. These are
the countries that are underdeveloped and are crying for
development. The children from these countries suffer from
many diseases and malnutrition. Many of the inhabitants die
from HIV/AIDS. Children cannot go to school because their
education is no longer subsidised. The solution that has been
imposed on the majority of these countries has been the
Economic Structural Adjustment Programmes (ESAP's).
The ESAP's have resulted in heavy debt for those countries,
removal of subsidies for social services, tariff
liberalisation, all this to smoothen the entrance of MNC's.
These countries have been promised that if they stick to the
ESAP plan their economies would attract more investments and
only good things can flow from there. For a long time these
benefits have been hard to come by. Instead these countries
are drifting further away from development, and their debt
obligations increase yearly.
We need to define clearly what we mean when we call for the
globalisation of social justice. Our starting point is a call
to all the members of the Commonwealth to ensure that they
ratify the core conventions of the International Labour
Organisation (ILO). These conventions are:=20
conventions 29 and 105 on forced labour,
conventions 87 and 98 on the freedom of association and the
right to collective bargaining,
conventions 100 and 111 on discrimination, and
conventions 138 and 182 on child labour.
These core conventions have been in the ILO system for a long
time, but most governments have chosen to ignore them. ...=20
It is our belief that the ratification and implementation of
the core conventions should be pre-requisites in any trade
agreements that are signed by member states. Without this it
means having to conduct trade with countries that use forced
and child labour to produce goods. ...
We also want to support the calls and efforts of the Jubilee
2000 campaign for the cancellation of debt. It is our belief
that the unfair terms of trade where developing countries
produce primary goods and sell them at low prices for
manufacturing and processing in the developed countries, and
then buy the processed goods at higher prices, is grossly
unfair. There can be no fair trade in such conditions, and our
developing countries will forever be in debt if the situation
is not turned around. We therefore call for the removal of
unfair terms of trade.
We further call on those countries and governments that want
to sell their gold reserves to refrain from doing that,
because that will not help the developing countries it is
intended to help. We will continue to campaign against gold
sales until those who want to do that at the detriment of
developing and poor countries abandon such plans. It will be
very important for the Commonwealth member states to take a
clear position on this issue.
A significant number of the Commonwealth member states are
guilty of human and trade union rights violations. The
statistics and cases that are quoted in the CTUC submission
disturb us. It pains us that some governments and states do
not appreciate the value and contribution of the working
people in their economies. It is disturbing to us that the
Commonwealth still has a soft spot for country like Swaziland,
which has been sanctioned for years by the ILO for the
violation of trade union rights.
If it was unacceptable to accommodate South Africa and
Nigeria, and is unacceptable to accommodate Pakistan for the
recent military coup, it surely should be unacceptable to
accommodate countries that do not treat their working people
fairly. We call upon the Commonwealth to pronounce itself on
the violation of trade union rights in member countries. We
also call upon the Commonwealth to take action against those
member countries that fail to live up to the 1998 ILO
declaration on the core conventions.
In conclusion we must say that all the demands made above will
not be given on a silver platter. We will never be able to
make any impact if we are not strong on the ground. ...=20
For the world to notice us we have to take up campaigns on all
the issues that have been identified above. The unions in
Africa have recently committed themselves to campaign on the
12th of April 2000 for an end to military governments that
exist in the continent. We need to extend this campaign beyond
the African continent.=20
We have to campaign against those governments that refuse to
ratify the ILO conventions and continue to violate human and
trade union rights. We need to take up campaigns for the
scrapping of the third world debt, in collaboration with our
governments and friendly social movements. For far too long
the creditors have been the ones who have been offering
solutions, which are no solutions. We support moves to get the
highly indebted countries to define the terms of the debt
relief measures. ...
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The Fancourt Commonwealth Declaration on Globalisation and
People-Centred Development
Sunday, 14 November 1999, George, South Africa
In today's world, no country is untouched by the forces of
globalisation. Our destinies are linked together as never
before. The challenge is to seize the opportunities opened up
by globalisation while minimising its risks.
On the positive side, globalisation is creating unprecedented
opportunities for wealth creation and for the betterment of
the human condition. Reduced barriers to trade and enhanced
capital flows are fuelling economic growth.
The revolution in communications technologies is shrinking the
distance between nations, providing new opportunities for the
transfer of knowledge and the development of skills-based
industries. And technological advance globally offers great
potential for the eradication of poverty.
But the benefits of globalisation are not shared equitably.
Prosperity remains the preserve of the few. Despite the
progress of the past fifty years, half the world's population
lives on less than two US Dollars per day. Many millions live
in conditions of extreme deprivation. The poor are being
marginalised. Expanded capital flows have also brought with
them the risk of greater financial instability, undermining
the hope that a commitment to open markets can lift the
developing world, especially the least developed countries,
out of poverty and debt.
The persistence of poverty and human deprivation diminishes us
all. It also makes global peace and security fragile, limits
the growth of markets, and forces millions to migrate in
search of a better life. It constitutes a deep and fundamental
structural flaw in the world economy.
The greatest challenge therefore facing us today is how to
channel the forces of globalisation for the elimination of
poverty and the empowerment of human beings to lead fulfilling
lives.
The solution does not lie in abandoning a commitment to market
principles or in wishing away the powerful forces of
technological change. Globalisation is a reality and can only
increase its impact. But if the benefits of globalisation are
to be shared more widely, there must be greater equity for
countries in global markets.
We call on all nations fully to implement the Uruguay Round
commitments to dismantle barriers to trade for the mutual
benefit of all. Moreover, recognising in particular the
significant contribution that enhanced export opportunities
can make for reducing poverty, we call for improved market
access for the exports of all countries, particularly
developing countries, and the removal of all barriers to the
exports of the least developed countries.
Strong export growth remains a key element in the ability of
developing countries to improve their living standards to the
levels enjoyed in the industrialised world. We support efforts
that would enable developing countries to build up their
skills and manufacturing capacities, including the production
and export of value-added goods, so as to enhance growth and
achieve prosperity.
Likewise, we urge that the forthcoming ministerial Meeting of
WTO to launch the next round of global negotiations on trade
be one with a pronounced developmental dimension, with the aim
of achieving better market access in agriculture, industrial
products and services in a way that provides benefits to all
members, particularly developing countries. The Round should
be balanced in process, content and outcome.
We fully believe in the importance of upholding labour
standards and protecting the environment. But these must be
addressed in an appropriate way that does not, by linking them
to trade liberalisation, end up effectively impeding free
trade and causing injustice to developing countries.
We also call on the global community to establish innovative
mechanisms to promote capital flows to a wider number of
countries; and to urgently initiate reform of international
financial architecture to minimise financial instability and
its impact on the poor.
We believe that the elimination of poverty is achievable - but
only if we take determined and concerted action at national
and international levels. We reiterate our commitment to work
for a reversal of the decline in official development
assistance flows. Urgent action is also required to tackle the
unsustainable debt burden of developing countries,
particularly the poorer, building on the recent initiatives
agreed internationally. We believe such development assistance
must be focused on human development, poverty reduction and on
the development of capacities for participating in expanding
world markets for goods and capital. ...=20
If the poor and the vulnerable are to be at the centre of
development, the process must be participatory, in which they
have a voice. We believe that the spread of democratic freedom
and good governance, and access to education, training and
health care are key to the expansion of human capabilities,
and to the banishment of ignorance and prejudice. ...=20
We are concerned at the vast gap between rich and poor in the
ability to access the new technologies, at the concentration
of the world's research resources in market-driven products
and processes, the increasing tendency to claim proprietary
rights on traditional knowledge, and at bio-piracy. ...=20
We welcome the spread of ideas, information and knowledge in
building civil support for social equality, and in opposing
all forms of discrimination and other injustices based on
ethnicity, gender, race, and religion. But, while better
communications have increased human contact, there is for some
a growing sense of social exclusion and a general failure of
moral purpose. Persistence of inequalities faced by women,
continued high levels of youth unemployment, lack of adequate
support systems for the aged, children and the disabled in
many parts of the world and increased threats to the diversity
of cultures and beliefs all contribute to the undermining of
just and stable society. We therefore call for a renewed
commitment to eliminate all forms of discrimination and to
take measures that promote respect for the diverse languages,
cultures and beliefs, and traditions of the world, which
enrich all our lives.
Recognising that the full exploitation of the opportunities
for development created by globalisation is not possible
without security, political stability and peace. We commit
ourselves, in partnership with civil society, to promote
processes that help to prevent or resolve conflicts in
peaceful manner, support measures that help to stabilise
post-conflict situations and combat terrorism of all kinds.
Good governance requires inclusive and participatory processes
at both national and international levels. We call on the
global community to search for inclusive processes of
multilateralism which give more effective voice in the
operations of international institutions to developing
countries, and which recognise the particular vulnerabilities
of small states. ...
Fancourt=20
George, South Africa=20
14 November 1999=20
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+political/rights+ +economy/development+ <BR>Summary Contents: =
<BR>This=20
posting contains slightly condensed versions of two<BR>documents on the =
occasion=20
of the meeting of the Commonwealth<BR>Heads of Government in Durban, =
South=20
Africa, November 12-14,<BR>1999. [The full text of both documents is =
available=20
at <BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.africapolicy.org/docs99/com9911.htm">http://www.africa=
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The first is<BR>an address by the General Secretary of the Congress of=20
South<BR>African Trade Unions (COSATU) to a meeting in Durban =
organized<BR>by=20
the Commonwealth Trade Union Council (CTUC). The second is<BR>an =
official=20
declaration by the Commonwealth meeting. Nineteen<BR>of the 54=20
Commonwealth member states are in Africa.<BR><BR>Links for additional=20
background:<BR><BR>COSATU: <A=20
href=3D"http://www.cosatu.org.za">http://www.cosatu.org.za</A><BR><BR>Com=
monwealth=20
Trade Union Council: <BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.tcol.co.uk/comorg/ctuc.htm">http://www.tcol.co.uk/como=
rg/ctuc.htm</A><BR><BR>Commonwealth=20
Summit in Durban:<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.chogm99.org">http://www.chogm99.org</A><BR><BR>+++++++=
++++++++++end=20
profile++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<BR><BR>Zwelinzima Vavi, COSATU =
General=20
Secretary <BR><BR>Address to a meeting on Globalisation and Social =
Justice=20
-<BR>Trade Union View<BR><BR>12 November 1999<BR><BR>The theme chosen =
for this=20
Commonwealth Heads of Governments<BR>Meeting "Globalisation and =
people=20
centered development"<BR>reflects both a desire and a challenge we =
all face=20
in the<BR>rapid and deepening process of globalisation.<BR><BR>To a =
growing=20
number of the world citizens in particular from<BR>the developing =
nations,=20
globalisation has become synonymous<BR>with the mostly negatives issues =
rather=20
than the positives.<BR><BR>The survey conducted by UNICEF and the UNDP =
on social=20
spending<BR>in Africa reveals that only three countries in Africa=20
are<BR>allocating more than 20% of budget funds for use on =
basic<BR>health care,=20
education and nutrition -- a target set by the<BR>1995 UN Social Summit =
in=20
Copenhagen. According to Kofi Annan,<BR>the Secretary General of the UN, =
44% of=20
all Africans -- and<BR>51% of these in Sub-Saharan Africa live in =
absolute=20
poverty. <BR><BR>At the same time Africa's debt stock has increased from =
$344<BR>billion to $350 billion in 1998, and is equivalent to =
more<BR>than 300%=20
of exports of goods and services from Africa. The<BR>average African =
household=20
today consumes 20% less than it did<BR>25 years ago. Economic growth =
rates in=20
the African continent<BR>continue to decline, as well as development =
assistance,=20
which<BR>has dropped from $23 billion in 1992 to $18,7 billion in 1997.=20
<BR><BR>On the other hand, according to the UNDP report, =
Americans<BR>spend more=20
than $8 billion a year on cosmetics - $2 billion<BR>more than the =
estimated=20
annual total needed to provide basic<BR>education for everyone in the =
world. In=20
1996 alone Ethiopia<BR>had a total foreign debt of $10 billion, whilst =
in the=20
same<BR>year Europe spent $11 billion on ice cream alone! The =
three<BR>richest=20
people in the world have assets that exceed the<BR>combined gross =
domestic=20
product of the 48 least developed<BR>countries. <BR><BR>At the end of =
1997=20
nearly 31 million people were living with<BR>HIV, up from 22,3 million =
the year=20
before. With 16 000 new<BR>infections a day -- 90% percent in developing =
countries -- it<BR>is now estimated that 40 million people will be =
living=20
with<BR>HIV in 2000. <BR><BR>The struggle for alternatives to the type =
of=20
globalisation<BR>system is under these circumstances a struggle for=20
the<BR>survival of human civilisation. To billions who have been =
on<BR>the=20
receiving end of brutal global system, globalisation=20
has<BR>meant:<BR><BR>Growing gap between the rich and the poor within =
nations=20
and<BR>between nations in particular between the North and the=20
South<BR><BR>Destruction of quality jobs and their replacement=20
by<BR>casualisation and temporal jobs brought to bear by a process<BR>of =
sub=20
contracting of so called non core business activities<BR><BR>Growing=20
unemployment in particular in the developing<BR>countries, which goes =
hand in=20
hand with poverty that itself<BR>leads to more social problems such as =
HIV/AIDS=20
and violence.<BR><BR>Growing number and accidents of using children in =
the world=20
of<BR>work without due regard to their health, well being=20
and<BR>future.<BR><BR>Displacement of government's role in the economic =
and=20
social<BR>responsibilities as a result of the growing power wielded =
by<BR>the=20
multinational corporations who seek more mobility at the<BR>expense of =
nations=20
development<BR><BR>Intense competition between nations to attract the=20
scarce<BR>investment and in the process involve themselves in a race =
to<BR>reach=20
the bottom first and consequently trample on human and<BR>trade union =
rights.=20
<BR><BR>No wonder that some citizens of the world are beginning =
to<BR>shout=20
slogans such as "down with globalisation -- down with<BR>the WTO, =
IMF and=20
World Bank."<BR><BR>Globalisation is an objective reality we face =
and it is=20
here<BR>to stay, industrialisation process can not be altered. =
The<BR>challenge=20
is not to push our heads into the sand like an<BR>ostrich or wish it =
away. The=20
greatest challenge to humankind<BR>as we move closer to the 21 century =
is to=20
make globalisation<BR>relevant to the ordinary people of the world. ...=20
<BR><BR>A people centered development as the theme of this the=20
1999<BR>Commonwealth Head of Governments Meeting should be a =
battle<BR>cry for=20
all the human kind interested in contesting the<BR>direction of=20
globalisation.<BR><BR>The Commonwealth Trade Union Council (CTUC) has =
sent=20
a<BR>delegation of six senior leaders to this august CHOGM =
1999<BR>meeting. We=20
have come to lobby governments about the need to<BR>take a new =
direction. We=20
have compiled a submission for the<BR>1999 Commonwealth Heads of =
Government=20
Meeting (CHOGM). ... We<BR>have come here to make a call for the=20
globalisation of core<BR>labour standards and human rights. =
...<BR><BR>In this=20
century we have seen lowering of labour standards<BR>mainly but not =
limited to=20
Export Processing Zones where labour<BR>laws are suspended in the name =
of export=20
promotion. We have<BR>also seen the creation of sweatshops by =
multinationals.=20
...<BR><BR>The majority of the members of the Commonwealth are =
the<BR>developing=20
countries, the countries of the South. These are<BR>the countries that =
are=20
underdeveloped and are crying for<BR>development. The children from =
these=20
countries suffer from<BR>many diseases and malnutrition. Many of the =
inhabitants=20
die<BR>from HIV/AIDS. Children cannot go to school because =
their<BR>education is=20
no longer subsidised. The solution that has been<BR>imposed on the =
majority of=20
these countries has been the<BR>Economic Structural Adjustment =
Programmes=20
(ESAP's).<BR><BR>The ESAP's have resulted in heavy debt for those=20
countries,<BR>removal of subsidies for social services,=20
tariff<BR>liberalisation, all this to smoothen the entrance of =
MNC's.<BR>These=20
countries have been promised that if they stick to the<BR>ESAP plan =
their=20
economies would attract more investments and<BR>only good things can =
flow from=20
there. For a long time these<BR>benefits have been hard to come by. =
Instead=20
these countries<BR>are drifting further away from development, and their =
debt<BR>obligations increase yearly.<BR><BR>We need to define clearly =
what we=20
mean when we call for the<BR>globalisation of social justice. Our =
starting point=20
is a call<BR>to all the members of the Commonwealth to ensure that=20
they<BR>ratify the core conventions of the International =
Labour<BR>Organisation=20
(ILO). These conventions are: <BR><BR>conventions 29 and 105 on forced=20
labour,<BR><BR>conventions 87 and 98 on the freedom of association and=20
the<BR>right to collective bargaining,<BR><BR>conventions 100 and 111 on =
discrimination, and<BR><BR>conventions 138 and 182 on child =
labour.<BR><BR>These=20
core conventions have been in the ILO system for a long<BR>time, but =
most=20
governments have chosen to ignore them. ... <BR><BR>It is our belief =
that the=20
ratification and implementation of<BR>the core conventions should be=20
pre-requisites in any trade<BR>agreements that are signed by member =
states.=20
Without this it<BR>means having to conduct trade with countries that use =
forced<BR>and child labour to produce goods. ...<BR><BR>We also want to =
support=20
the calls and efforts of the Jubilee<BR>2000 campaign for the =
cancellation of=20
debt. It is our belief<BR>that the unfair terms of trade where =
developing=20
countries<BR>produce primary goods and sell them at low prices=20
for<BR>manufacturing and processing in the developed countries, =
and<BR>then buy=20
the processed goods at higher prices, is grossly<BR>unfair. There can be =
no fair=20
trade in such conditions, and our<BR>developing countries will forever =
be in=20
debt if the situation<BR>is not turned around. We therefore call for the =
removal=20
of<BR>unfair terms of trade.<BR><BR>We further call on those countries =
and=20
governments that want<BR>to sell their gold reserves to refrain from =
doing=20
that,<BR>because that will not help the developing countries it =
is<BR>intended=20
to help. We will continue to campaign against gold<BR>sales until those =
who want=20
to do that at the detriment of<BR>developing and poor countries abandon =
such=20
plans. It will be<BR>very important for the Commonwealth member states =
to take=20
a<BR>clear position on this issue.<BR><BR>A significant number of the=20
Commonwealth member states are<BR>guilty of human and trade union rights =
violations. The<BR>statistics and cases that are quoted in the CTUC=20
submission<BR>disturb us. It pains us that some governments and states =
do<BR>not=20
appreciate the value and contribution of the working<BR>people in their=20
economies. It is disturbing to us that the<BR>Commonwealth still has a =
soft spot=20
for country like Swaziland,<BR>which has been sanctioned for years by =
the ILO=20
for the<BR>violation of trade union rights.<BR><BR>If it was =
unacceptable to=20
accommodate South Africa and<BR>Nigeria, and is unacceptable to =
accommodate=20
Pakistan for the<BR>recent military coup, it surely should be =
unacceptable=20
to<BR>accommodate countries that do not treat their working =
people<BR>fairly. We=20
call upon the Commonwealth to pronounce itself on<BR>the violation of =
trade=20
union rights in member countries. We<BR>also call upon the Commonwealth =
to take=20
action against those<BR>member countries that fail to live up to the =
1998=20
ILO<BR>declaration on the core conventions.<BR><BR>In conclusion we must =
say=20
that all the demands made above will<BR>not be given on a silver =
platter. We=20
will never be able to<BR>make any impact if we are not strong on the =
ground. ...=20
<BR><BR>For the world to notice us we have to take up campaigns on =
all<BR>the=20
issues that have been identified above. The unions in<BR>Africa have =
recently=20
committed themselves to campaign on the<BR>12th of April 2000 for an end =
to=20
military governments that<BR>exist in the continent. We need to extend =
this=20
campaign beyond<BR>the African continent. <BR><BR>We have to campaign =
against=20
those governments that refuse to<BR>ratify the ILO conventions and =
continue to=20
violate human and<BR>trade union rights. We need to take up campaigns =
for=20
the<BR>scrapping of the third world debt, in collaboration with=20
our<BR>governments and friendly social movements. For far too =
long<BR>the=20
creditors have been the ones who have been offering<BR>solutions, which =
are no=20
solutions. We support moves to get the<BR>highly indebted countries to =
define=20
the terms of the debt<BR>relief measures.=20
...<BR><BR>************************************************************<B=
R><BR>The=20
Fancourt Commonwealth Declaration on Globalisation and<BR>People-Centred =
Development<BR><BR>Sunday, 14 November 1999, George, South =
Africa<BR><BR>In=20
today's world, no country is untouched by the forces =
of<BR>globalisation. Our=20
destinies are linked together as never<BR>before. The challenge is to =
seize the=20
opportunities opened up<BR>by globalisation while minimising its=20
risks.<BR><BR>On the positive side, globalisation is creating=20
unprecedented<BR>opportunities for wealth creation and for the =
betterment=20
of<BR>the human condition. Reduced barriers to trade and =
enhanced<BR>capital=20
flows are fuelling economic growth.<BR><BR>The revolution in =
communications=20
technologies is shrinking the<BR>distance between nations, providing new =
opportunities for the<BR>transfer of knowledge and the development of=20
skills-based<BR>industries. And technological advance globally offers=20
great<BR>potential for the eradication of poverty.<BR><BR>But the =
benefits of=20
globalisation are not shared equitably.<BR>Prosperity remains the =
preserve of=20
the few. Despite the<BR>progress of the past fifty years, half the =
world's=20
population<BR>lives on less than two US Dollars per day. Many millions=20
live<BR>in conditions of extreme deprivation. The poor are=20
being<BR>marginalised. Expanded capital flows have also brought =
with<BR>them the=20
risk of greater financial instability, undermining<BR>the hope that a =
commitment=20
to open markets can lift the<BR>developing world, especially the least =
developed=20
countries,<BR>out of poverty and debt.<BR><BR>The persistence of poverty =
and=20
human deprivation diminishes us<BR>all. It also makes global peace and =
security=20
fragile, limits<BR>the growth of markets, and forces millions to migrate =
in<BR>search of a better life. It constitutes a deep and=20
fundamental<BR>structural flaw in the world economy.<BR><BR>The greatest =
challenge therefore facing us today is how to<BR>channel the forces of=20
globalisation for the elimination of<BR>poverty and the empowerment of =
human=20
beings to lead fulfilling<BR>lives.<BR><BR>The solution does not lie in=20
abandoning a commitment to market<BR>principles or in wishing away the =
powerful=20
forces of<BR>technological change. Globalisation is a reality and can=20
only<BR>increase its impact. But if the benefits of globalisation =
are<BR>to be=20
shared more widely, there must be greater equity for<BR>countries in =
global=20
markets.<BR><BR>We call on all nations fully to implement the Uruguay=20
Round<BR>commitments to dismantle barriers to trade for the =
mutual<BR>benefit of=20
all. Moreover, recognising in particular the<BR>significant contribution =
that=20
enhanced export opportunities<BR>can make for reducing poverty, we call =
for=20
improved market<BR>access for the exports of all countries,=20
particularly<BR>developing countries, and the removal of all barriers to =
the<BR>exports of the least developed countries.<BR><BR>Strong export =
growth=20
remains a key element in the ability of<BR>developing countries to =
improve their=20
living standards to the<BR>levels enjoyed in the industrialised world. =
We=20
support efforts<BR>that would enable developing countries to build up=20
their<BR>skills and manufacturing capacities, including the =
production<BR>and=20
export of value-added goods, so as to enhance growth and<BR>achieve=20
prosperity.<BR><BR>Likewise, we urge that the forthcoming ministerial =
Meeting=20
of<BR>WTO to launch the next round of global negotiations on trade<BR>be =
one=20
with a pronounced developmental dimension, with the aim<BR>of achieving =
better=20
market access in agriculture, industrial<BR>products and services in a =
way that=20
provides benefits to all<BR>members, particularly developing countries. =
The=20
Round should<BR>be balanced in process, content and outcome.<BR><BR>We =
fully=20
believe in the importance of upholding labour<BR>standards and =
protecting the=20
environment. But these must be<BR>addressed in an appropriate way that =
does not,=20
by linking them<BR>to trade liberalisation, end up effectively impeding=20
free<BR>trade and causing injustice to developing countries.<BR><BR>We =
also call=20
on the global community to establish innovative<BR>mechanisms to promote =
capital=20
flows to a wider number of<BR>countries; and to urgently initiate reform =
of=20
international<BR>financial architecture to minimise financial =
instability=20
and<BR>its impact on the poor.<BR><BR>We believe that the elimination of =
poverty=20
is achievable - but<BR>only if we take determined and concerted action =
at=20
national<BR>and international levels. We reiterate our commitment to =
work<BR>for=20
a reversal of the decline in official development<BR>assistance flows. =
Urgent=20
action is also required to tackle the<BR>unsustainable debt burden of =
developing=20
countries,<BR>particularly the poorer, building on the recent=20
initiatives<BR>agreed internationally. We believe such development=20
assistance<BR>must be focused on human development, poverty reduction =
and=20
on<BR>the development of capacities for participating in =
expanding<BR>world=20
markets for goods and capital. ... <BR><BR>If the poor and the =
vulnerable are to=20
be at the centre of<BR>development, the process must be participatory, =
in which=20
they<BR>have a voice. We believe that the spread of democratic =
freedom<BR>and=20
good governance, and access to education, training and<BR>health care =
are key to=20
the expansion of human capabilities,<BR>and to the banishment of =
ignorance and=20
prejudice. ... <BR><BR>We are concerned at the vast gap between rich and =
poor in=20
the<BR>ability to access the new technologies, at the =
concentration<BR>of the=20
world's research resources in market-driven products<BR>and processes, =
the=20
increasing tendency to claim proprietary<BR>rights on traditional =
knowledge, and=20
at bio-piracy. ... <BR><BR>We welcome the spread of ideas, information =
and=20
knowledge in<BR>building civil support for social equality, and in=20
opposing<BR>all forms of discrimination and other injustices based=20
on<BR>ethnicity, gender, race, and religion. But, while =
better<BR>communications=20
have increased human contact, there is for some<BR>a growing sense of =
social=20
exclusion and a general failure of<BR>moral purpose. Persistence of =
inequalities=20
faced by women,<BR>continued high levels of youth unemployment, lack of=20
adequate<BR>support systems for the aged, children and the disabled =
in<BR>many=20
parts of the world and increased threats to the diversity<BR>of cultures =
and=20
beliefs all contribute to the undermining of<BR>just and stable society. =
We=20
therefore call for a renewed<BR>commitment to eliminate all forms of=20
discrimination and to<BR>take measures that promote respect for the =
diverse=20
languages,<BR>cultures and beliefs, and traditions of the world, =
which<BR>enrich=20
all our lives.<BR><BR>Recognising that the full exploitation of the=20
opportunities<BR>for development created by globalisation is not=20
possible<BR>without security, political stability and peace. We=20
commit<BR>ourselves, in partnership with civil society, to =
promote<BR>processes=20
that help to prevent or resolve conflicts in<BR>peaceful manner, support =
measures that help to stabilise<BR>post-conflict situations and combat =
terrorism=20
of all kinds.<BR><BR>Good governance requires inclusive and =
participatory=20
processes<BR>at both national and international levels. We call on =
the<BR>global=20
community to search for inclusive processes of<BR>multilateralism which =
give=20
more effective voice in the<BR>operations of international institutions =
to=20
developing<BR>countries, and which recognise the particular=20
vulnerabilities<BR>of small states. ...<BR><BR>Fancourt <BR>George, =
South Africa=20
<BR>14 November 1999=20
<BR><BR>************************************************************ =
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Do you think you are a man of principle yourself? I don't think so. since
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Jaajef Saiks,
Any suggestions? Maybe you could forward it? Do you need
authours permission to publish?
Yeendu ak jaama
Tony
>>> saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]>
16/November/1999 01:33am >>>
Hi T,
Thank you for this one,I wish it could be publish in a
Gambian newspaper.
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Jaajef wa G-L
What seems to be a different Islamic perspective on birth
control than that put forward by Imam Fatty
Yeenduleen ak jaama
Tony
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fertility Control (Tahdid Al Nasl) Versus
Fertility Organization (Tanzim Al Nasl)
Muslim religious thinkers in the past quarter of a century
have made a distinction between fertility
control (Tahdid Al Nasl) and fertility regulation (Tanzim Al
Nasl). Tahdid Al Nasl refers to
controlling fertility over the entire period of a woman's
reproductive years. This comprehensive,
generalized fertility control,Tahdid Al Nasl, is forbidden. On
the other hand to regulate fertility
(Tanzim Al Nasl) to strengthen a woman's health, or to
suckle one child, or to care for elderly
parents or relatives is desirable and recommended. A famous
Egyptian religious leader, Imam
Shaltout notes that "individualistic fertility control is not
against nature or God, nor counter to national
priorities, and is permitted and encouraged by the Shariah
(the law)" (1991:297). The religious rules
that encourage fertility regulation in Islam are based on the
general spirit of the Qur'an and the
Prophet's Hadith about Yasir wa la tua'sir: "facilitate and do
not complicate". He also said: "What is
good for my people is law".
Fertility Organization:
Encouraged Methods Condoms, Diaphragms and Oral
Contraception
The use of condoms and diaphragms for organizing fertility in
the Islamic texts is clearly encouraged.
The Prophet when asked about the use of barriers (Al'Azil),
said three times consecutively: "and you
shall use them"(3). The encouragement and approval of the
use of the barrier is based primarily on
the principle of non-interference with God's power of creation.
As a result to prevent fertility,
humans shall do so prior to the conception of life.
Beyond the use of the barrier (Al'azil), Islamic thought varies
in its interpretations concerning the use
of other fertility control methods. Some religious thinkers
(e.g. Sha'rawi) note that the use of the birth
control pill and any other pharmacological substance is
forbidden. Other thinkers (e.g. Shaltout, and
Al Ghazali) note that oral contraception can be an
encouraged method of fertility organization, since
the contraceptive does not intervene directly with the
conception of life.
It is important to note that irrespective of which of the
interpretations one "believes", it is essential to
examine the use of oral contraception from the Islamic view
of "facilitating not complicating" women's
reproductive health. Oral contraception in most Muslim
countries is a major cause of health
complications for women over the age of 30. In my own
research in a village in the south of Egypt, I
found that women's age was never considered when
prescribing oral contraception (4). Instead
doctors prescribe vitamin pills to assure women that they are
taking care of the oral contraception's
side effects. The contraceptive pills prescribed for the women
of all ages were high in their estrogen
content (5). Many women during my stay in the village
complained to me about irregular bleeding,
pains in the rear of their legs, weight gain, and severe
headaches. The issue one needs to underscore
is if in the Islamic perspective the basis for encouraging
fertility organization is to care for the
mother's health and well-being then we need to ensure that
Muslim women have access to oral
contraception brands similar to those available in Western
markets.
Abortion
In Islam abortions are encouraged only if the pregnancy
threatens the well-being of the mother. It is
forbidden to sacrifice the mother's life for the fetus. Here
again the practice of abortion is prescribed
with limitations. The soul in the Islamic tradition develops
after the fetus moves in the womb. The
distinction between movement and life in Islam is very clear.
The fetus moves, during the second
trimester (precisely after 120 days of pregnancy). Abortion,
as a result, is permitted during the first
120 days, i.e. before the soul develops.
Islam like other Abrahamic faiths (Judaism and Christianity)
addresses the practice of fertility control.
The texts are very clear about encouraging the organization
of fertility if it helps strengthen women's
health. The major problem, however, among most Muslim
women is not the Islamic prescriptions
about fertility control, but rather the level of development in
their countries. In fact, the social and
material conditions of most Islamic countries inhibit access
and use of appropriate health and medical
services for women. In a recent UNICEF publication, Khattab
(1992) notes that women's
reproductive health needs to be addressed holistically,
inter-linking physical, with social,
psychological, economic and political well being. Muslim
women, in addition to learning about their
religion they need: 1. health professionals that understand
and respect their life conditions; 2. sex
education; and 3. a re-examining of the external cultural and
material systems that inhibit women's
access to health services (Khattab 1992:5).
By Nawal H. Ammar, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Kent State University/Trumbull
http://www.consultation.org/consultation/ammar.htm#text3
For Freedom
Saiks
What seems to be a different Islamic perspective on birth
control than
that put forward by Imam Fatty
Yeenduleen ak jaama
Tony
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fertility Control (Tahdid Al Nasl) Versus
Fertility Organization (Tanzim Al Nasl)
Muslim religious thinkers in the past quarter of a century
have made a
distinction between fertility
control (Tahdid Al Nasl) and fertility regulation (Tanzim Al
Nasl). Tahdid Al
Nasl refers to
controlling fertility over the entire period of a woman's
reproductive
years. This comprehensive,
generalized fertility control,Tahdid Al Nasl, is forbidden. On
the other
hand to regulate fertility
(Tanzim Al Nasl) to strengthen a woman's health, or to
suckle one child,
or to care for elderly
parents or relatives is desirable and recommended. A famous
Egyptian
religious leader, Imam
Shaltout notes that "individualistic fertility control is not
against nature
or
God, nor counter to national
priorities, and is permitted and encouraged by the Shariah
(the law)"
(1991:297). The religious rules
that encourage fertility regulation in Islam are based on the
general spirit
of the Qur'an and the
Prophet's Hadith about Yasir wa la tua'sir: "facilitate and do
not
complicate". He also said: "What is
good for my people is law".
Fertility Organization:
Encouraged Methods Condoms, Diaphragms and Oral
Contraception
The use of condoms and diaphragms for organizing fertility in
the Islamic
texts is clearly encouraged.
The Prophet when asked about the use of barriers (Al'Azil),
said three
times consecutively: "and you
shall use them"(3). The encouragement and approval of the
use of the
barrier is based primarily on
the principle of non-interference with God's power of creation.
As a
result to prevent fertility,
humans shall do so prior to the conception of life.
Beyond the use of the barrier (Al'azil), Islamic thought varies
in its
interpretations concerning the use
of other fertility control methods. Some religious thinkers
(e.g. Sha'rawi)
note that the use of the birth
control pill and any other pharmacological substance is
forbidden. Other
thinkers (e.g. Shaltout, and
Al Ghazali) note that oral contraception can be an
encouraged method of
fertility organization, since
the contraceptive does not intervene directly with the
conception of life.
It is important to note that irrespective of which of the
interpretations one
"believes", it is essential to
examine the use of oral contraception from the Islamic view
of
"facilitating not complicating" women's
reproductive health. Oral contraception in most Muslim
countries is a
major cause of health
complications for women over the age of 30. In my own
research in a
village in the south of Egypt, I
found that women's age was never considered when
prescribing oral
contraception (4). Instead
doctors prescribe vitamin pills to assure women that they are
taking care
of the oral contraception's
side effects. The contraceptive pills prescribed for the women
of all
ages were high in their estrogen
content (5). Many women during my stay in the village
complained to me
about irregular bleeding,
pains in the rear of their legs, weight gain, and severe
headaches. The
issue one needs to underscore
is if in the Islamic perspective the basis for encouraging
fertility
organization is to care for the
mother's health and well-being then we need to ensure that
Muslim
women have access to oral
contraception brands similar to those available in Western
markets.
Abortion
In Islam abortions are encouraged only if the pregnancy
threatens the
well-being of the mother. It is
forbidden to sacrifice the mother's life for the fetus. Here
again the
practice of abortion is prescribed
with limitations. The soul in the Islamic tradition develops
after the fetus
moves in the womb. The
distinction between movement and life in Islam is very clear.
The fetus
moves, during the second
trimester (precisely after 120 days of pregnancy). Abortion,
as a result,
is permitted during the first
120 days, i.e. before the soul develops.
Islam like other Abrahamic faiths (Judaism and Christianity)
addresses
the practice of fertility control.
The texts are very clear about encouraging the organization
of fertility if
it helps strengthen women's
health. The major problem, however, among most Muslim
women is not
the Islamic prescriptions
about fertility control, but rather the level of development in
their
countries. In fact, the social and
material conditions of most Islamic countries inhibit access
and use of
appropriate health and medical
services for women. In a recent UNICEF publication, Khattab
(1992)
notes that women's
reproductive health needs to be addressed holistically,
inter-linking
physical, with social,
psychological, economic and political well being. Muslim
women, in
addition to learning about their
religion they need: 1. health professionals that understand
and respect
their life conditions; 2. sex
education; and 3. a re-examining of the external cultural and
material
systems that inhibit women's
access to health services (Khattab 1992:5).
By Nawal H. Ammar, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Kent State University/Trumbull
http://www.consultation.org/consultation/ammar.htm#text3
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<< My dear John,
Do you think you are a man of principle yourself? I don't think so. since
you know the words you are using are bad at the sametime
appologizing. Again I think you are not fair to the man as your mail is so
insulting. I for one, will be greatful to see everyone who is involved in
the present government to join the list. In this way our voices can be
heard.
>>
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l second that motion of refraining from personal attacks since it tends to
give the impression that those of us who criticize the government are
launching personal attacks and have hatred for the people we criticize,
rather than just political and moral differences. Yes, if more of those in
positions of responsibility in the government joined the list with the
intention to listen to the different opinions, it would certainly serve as
a tool for them to hear the voices of at least some of the Gambian people
who have something important to say, and which can serve as food for thought
for those in positions of responsibility if they want us to believe that
they have the interest of the people at heart. Then perhaps we can get some
intelligent feedback from them as opposed to just meaningless one liners
that truely just go toward supporting the notion that they could care less
about what those who they purport to govern think.
Jabou Joh
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>From: "Ceesay, Sheriff (NY)" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: "Ndey Jobarteh" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:09 -0800
>
>Hi I am glad that you get back safe.
>Hi why don't you post this for me on the Gambia L I am having
>difficulties in getting stuff through.
>Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Sheriff Ceesay <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: Sunday, November 07, 1999 8:38 AM
>Subject: GAMBIAN SOCIETY IN NEW YORK
>
>
>Hi Members,
>I am introducing for the first time on this forum, THE GAMBIAN SOCIETY IN
>NEW
>YORK which has been in existence since 1994.
>
>
>Founded in November 1994, The Gambian Society in New York is non profit
>organization whose mission is to provide mutual aid and to promote common
>understanding and unity among the Gambian people in New York metropolitan
>area. The society assists new arrivals from the Gambia with their
>transition
>to life in America, serves as a means of communication between the
>Gambian
>community and other communities and organization in New York City. It
>also
>provides funeral assistance to bereaved families within the Gambian
>communities in New York. It promotes Gambian Art and Culture and could
>serve
>as a liaison to individuals and organizations having interest in the
>Gambia.
>The Society is governed by an executive board and is supported by monthly
>membership fee of $10.00. As of today the society has a membership of 250
>and
>growing.
>
>
>Since its inauguration members of the society have been operating in
>their
>individual apartments conducting meetings and renting commercial halls
>for
>other social functions of Gambian natures. Now that the concentration of
>the
>Gambian population in the Bronx and greater New York metropolitan area is
>increasing, we felt the need for a all purpose center. This prompted us
>to
>lease a 25000 square feet hall including office space located at 1230
>Jerome
>Ave. Bronx, NY 10453 at a monthly rent of $2500.00. Phone and Fax lines
>have
>been installed and the premises is now under construction in order to fit
>our
>needs. We could be contacted at (718) 293-0500 and fax at (718)
>293-0800.
>
>
>Hence the process is at its early stage, we are soliciting for office
>materials and other facilities which could enhance our communications
>with
>the outside world. In addition to our membership fees we are seeking
>help to
>contacts that could help subsidize rent and fund some of our community
>activities including after school child care programs. We would highly
>appreciate ideas and suggestions.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Ndey Jobarteh [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 10:31 AM
>To: Sheriff.ceesay
>Subject: Fwd: proposal-progressive network
>
>
>
>Hi sherrif,
>
>I have finally arrived in London. Thank you for all your time and phone
>cards:) I could not get back to cause the conference really got into me.
>What is your programme like during the Christmas holidays.
>
>Regards
>Ndey Jobarteh
>
>
> >From: "fatou" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>,
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> >To: "NDEY HOTMAIL" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: proposal-progressive network
> >Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:50:49 -0000
> >
> >name.gambia progressive network
> >
> >plan:aim 1 progressive discussion group and webbsite
> > 2 practical development projects
> >
> >nov 1 identify an ideological and security conscious person/s to
> >cooedinate an internet discussion group
> > 2 identiry progressives to register in the group to develop
> >guidelines for the aims and homefront
> >patners
> > 3 by nov 30 finish and approval of guidelines and
>recruitment
> >of members
> >
> >dec discussion and development of a 1 year MASTERPLAN 2000
> > 1 discussion group topics
> > 2 practical development plan projects
> > 3 develop a model pilot project for start implimentation
>from
> >jan 2000
> >
> >ndey, hope we can get people who are interesred in sharing their
> >progressive views and engaging in practical work to changing the gambian
> >situation relating to sub-regional,regional and pan-african progressives
> >
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Sisters Awa and Ndey,
I read your your piece captioned "Intergenerational Dialogue Between Two
Women", and I must commend you a for a thoughtful piece.
Ndey told me, in advance, to look forward to reading the article, and
needless to say when it did come, it was, as expected, quite pensive. Again,
thanks for a useful posting and keep it up.
Let me now make the following comments. I'll try to be brief:
First, on the positive side: it is very encouraging to observe that unlike
before, issues affecting women are now being discussed with more vigour and
openness.
In fact, what is even more encouraging is the fact that nowadays women
themselves are in the forefront of serious and frank debates on gender
concerns such as sexual harassment, violence against women, female Genital
Mutilation (FGM) etc, in a bid to improve their conditions.
The 1990s have seen more and more Women's Associations/Bodies being formed
to advance women's rights in Africa. Today, many universities in Africa, and
outside Africa, are teaching gender studies and in fact spending more funds
on research aimed at improving the conditions of our women.
This is very refreshing, and, in fact, we should not under estimate the
valuable role played by Gambian women in the struggle to advance the cause
of the African woman.
As a reporter on the then Gambia Weekly newspaper, I had the opportunity to
cover many meetings/workshops on issues affecting women, and I aware of the
effective role played by the Mary Langleys, the Saffiatou Singhatehs, the
Mrs Ralphida Almeddas, the Lena Mangas, the Isatou Njie-Saidys and many more
in this struggle.
For now, the Internet has also helped in bringing our women together/closer.
Women are now, more than before, networking with each other - discussing
issues that concern them and trying to come up with solutions to their
enormous problems.
In fact, owing to their own energetic efforts to organise themselves and
articulate their concerns, women's contributions in the economy, in the
household etc, are now being acknowledged by the powers that be. Again, the
signs are encouraging.
However, as Awa and Ndey rightly pointed out, "women have a long way before
to go" before getting there. The Africa woman continues to face countless
obstacles each day.
In the Gambia, and in many parts of the world, especially in developing
countries, there still exist customs, beliefs and attitudes that continue to
confine the women mostly to the domestic sphere.
Women in the Gambia, like women in other developing countries, continue to
carry a heavy burden of work, as pointed out by Awa and Ndey. In fact, women
in rural Gambia, according to one survey I saw this morning, contribute
about 70 per cent of Agricultural labour.
Many of them are said to work as much as 15 hours per day at peak times in
the Agricultural season. Interestingly, or should I say sadly though, women
are over-represented among the poor, and yet we do know, for a fact, that
women, from day one, have been economically active, particularly in
agricultural production and crop processing.
Who can deny the fact that our women are the backbone of the rural economy
in much of Sub-Saharan Africa?
Anyway, let me share with you some griming statistics I have come across
this morning: That worldwide, more than 100 million girls and women alive
are victims of some form of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM).
In some countries, FGM is even performed on girls as young as 3, of course,
without their consent. In Africa, it is estimated that each year about 2
million girls are subjected to Female Genital Mutilation: one child every
five minutes.
Of this shocking number, 15 per cent will die as a result of this age-old
custom, according to one survey. Those who survive, the survey went on, will
suffer for years with chronic pain and infections, hemorrhaging, bladder,
urinary and kidney disorders, extreme complications during pregnancy etc.
It is also reported that in Africa, an estimated 2 million women/girls
already have got, or suffer from, Vesico-Vaginal Fistulae (VVF), with some
50,000 to 100,000 new cases occurring annually.
For those of you who do not know, VVF is one of the two notable health
problems associated with early pregnancy.
Statistics also have it that over half of the estimated 20 million cases of
HIV in Africa are FEMALE. Also, the majority of the estimated 8.1 million
refugees, displaced persons and post-conflict returnees in Africa in 1997
were women and children.
Furthermore, about 50 per cent of women in Africa are married by 18, and one
in three women is in a polygamous marriage. In 1995, estimates of total
fertility rates in Africa were 5.7 children per woman, I have discovered.
The high fertility is said to arise from the economic value of children and
also low levels of contraceptive use. According to the UNDP, women are
two-thirds less likely than men to get waged employment, while only 3 out of
10 women in the labour force in sub-Saharan Africa are paid employees.
Lack of access to formal education and training has been identified as a
major constraint to women's employment and advancement in society.
In Africa, we are told by surveys, female illiteracy rates were over 60 per
cent in 1996, compared to 41 per cent for men.
In fact, I was surprised to have found out that a country like Sierra Leone,
which takes pride in having one of the first Universities in Africa (FOURAH
BAY COLLEGE), has a very high female illiteracy rate: 88.7 per cent.
Maternal and infant mortality remain high. In fact, up to 40 per cent of
pregnant women in many countries in Africa have "no access to antenatal
care."
I was also surprised to have discovered that the average female
representation in Parliaments in Africa is less than 8 per cent and, in
fact, many of the women are nominated, not elected.
Throughout the whole of Africa, it is only in Seychelles and South Africa
that you have more than 25 per cent of the elected Members of Parliament
being women.
Anyway, enough about figures and statistics. The question to be asked really
is: What is the way forward for our women, as we are about to enter a new
millennium?
Well, in my view, the immediate task would be to try and remove those
social, economic and legal constraints that hamper the advancement of the
woman.
Improving women's access to education and health services, tackling that
menace they call poverty and advancing women's legal and human rights rights
should be the task of all just men and women who sincerely believe in the
advancement the woman.
It is very clear that POVERTY has forced girls as young as 12 into
prostitution. So combating should be uppermost in our minds, as we enter the
new millennium.
We should also encourage our women to go into active politics. In my view,
we need to see more women in decision making positions, so that they can
help initiate policies that would improve their conditions.
In short, women empowerment should be high on the agenda, as we enter the
new millennium. The African woman, in my view, must be truly empowered in
the 21ST century, so that she will finally assume control over her
sexuality, become socialized in a gender neutral way, attain economic and
intellectual parity and representation with men.
The issue of Female Genital Mutilation also needs to be more vigorously
debated. Do we need to promulgate a new law making FGM a criminal offence?
Or do we have to leave it to the girl to decide for herself when she
reaches, say, 18 years?
We should also revisit the reasons advanced for the practice of FGM and
debate whether they are good reasons or not. The main reason given for FGM,
we should remind ourselves, is that it curbs women's propensity towards
promiscuity. But, scientifically, can this be proven? These are some of the
questions we, meaning both men and women, should be asking ourselves more
frequently in the new millennium.
Beliefs and customs that are found to be myth must be discarded and
traditions that are harmless must be protected and retained.
Sensitivity, I must warn here, is needed when dealing with those social and
cultural barriers that inhibit women's advancement in our society.
In order to advance the cause of our women in the new millennium, our women
must not only target their men, but also their fellow women. I say this
because it is an open secret that it is women themselves who, most of the
time, defend these harmful practices very strongly.
Ndey, by the way, I read your piece on the issue of healing, as raised Dr
Saine, and it was a brilliant one. Keep it up and give us more. I always
enjoy reading your very good contributions.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
Fatou Jaw Manneh, what is wrong with your fingers? Pleassssssssssssssssssse
do some writing for us!
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G-L Community:
The response to an earlier posting "it is Time to Heal" was positive.
Many felt that the time had come to go beyond personal attacks on the L
and debate the issues. Others who remarked on the posting also saw the
need to engage the current APRC Government, its leadership and other
groups and parties in Gambia, in order to effect the meaningful change
we all desire in Gambia. Amidst this agreement, however, were those who
while agreeing with these goals, felt that the current regime may not be
open to such a dialogue. Accordingly, what seemed to be agreed by all
was the need for "peace, tranquility and reconciliation" and that we
should try, regardless. Several suggestions emerged from the discussion
regarding what we want to see implemented in Gambia. These include:
* Unbanning all political parties and politicians in preparation for the
presidential elections in 2001;
* The Holding of free and fair elections, a pre-condition of which would
be the resignation of the current Government or the appointment of a
transitional national Government;
* Newly Elected Government must investigate all allegations of
corruption and embezzlement and punish those guilty of such crimes
against the People;
* Investigate and prosecute instances of human rights violations,
including but not limited to the deaths of Ousman "Korro" Ceesay and
Sadibu Hydra and release all political prisoners.
It was proposed that:
* We need to assure the current APRC Government of our goals and
intentions and our desire to work with them to effect these reforms;
* Galvanize as broad a spectrum as possible, here and in Gambia, in
order to get the critical mass to see these reforms through;
* Set up a coordinating committee representing the diverse views on the
L and in Gambia.
Where do we go from here and what do we do:
It was propose that we write to President Jammeh and other opposition
political parties informing them of our goals and our collective desire
to work with them to bring an end to Gambia's political and economic
crises;
Follow this up with a delegation to meet and discuss these issues with
the above parties;
Begin to raise the funds for travel and ultimately financially support
Jammeh and/or any political party that best represents our views.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Thank You
Abdoulaye Saine
Several suggestion
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G-L Community:
The response to an earlier posting "it is Time to Heal" was positive.
Many felt that the time had come to go beyond personal attacks on the L
and debate the issues. Others who remarked on the posting also saw the
need to engage the current APRC Government, its leadership and other
groups and parties in Gambia, in order to effect the meaningful change
we all desire in Gambia. Amidst this agreement, however, were those who
while agreeing with these goals, felt that the current regime may not be
open to such a dialogue. Accordingly, what seemed to be agreed by all
was the need for "peace, tranquility and reconciliation" and that we
should try, regardless. Several suggestions emerged from the discussion
regarding what we want to see implemented in Gambia. These include:
* Unbanning all political parties and politicians in preparation for the
presidential elections in 2001;
* The Holding of free and fair elections, a pre-condition of which would
be the resignation of the current Government or the appointment of a
transitional national Government;
* Newly Elected Government must investigate all allegations of
corruption and embezzlement and punish those guilty of such crimes
against the People;
* Investigate and prosecute instances of human rights violations,
including but not limited to the deaths of Ousman "Korro" Ceesay and
Sadibu Hydra and release all political prisoners.
It was proposed that:
* We need to assure the current APRC Government of our goals and
intentions and our desire to work with them to effect these reforms;
* Galvanize as broad a spectrum as possible, here and in Gambia, in
order to get the critical mass to see these reforms through;
* Set up a coordinating committee representing the diverse views on the
L and in Gambia.
Where do we go from here and what do we do:
It was propose that we write to President Jammeh and other opposition
political parties informing them of our goals and our collective desire
to work with them to bring an end to Gambia's political and economic
crises;
Follow this up with a delegation to meet and discuss these issues with
the above parties;
Begin to raise the funds for travel and ultimately financially support
Jammeh and/or any political party that best represents our views.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Thank You
Abdoulaye Saine
Several suggestion
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GUARDIAN
Wednesday, 17 November 1999
Marabouts as management gurus
By Adolphe Amadi
IN their book: The Witch Doctors, John Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge
dissect the management theory phenomenon, explaining why the discipline is
at once so influential and yet so nebulous. The authors argue that today's
acknowledged legislators of mankind are no longer poets, as once claimed by
Shelley, but management gurus. Names such as Wordsworth and Keats may not
have exactly the same vibrations as Drucker and Peters, hence, wherever one
looks, management experts are skulking around, designing the blueprints,
laying down the rules, reshaping both nations and institutions, and above
all reorganising people's thinking and people's lives.
Thus, when in late 1994 the press reported that Princess Diana had sought
and obtained professional assistance from a business motivation guru,
Anthony Robbins, Fleet Street received the news rather casually. By the way,
Robbins usually encourages his clients to "unleash the power within" by
walking on red hot coals! At about the same period, but on the other side of
the Atlantic, came the simultaneous news that Newt Gingrich, the new
Speaker-elect of the House of Representatives, was painstakingly undergoing
a unique self-induction for his new job 'by reading Peter Drucker'. The
information was unanimously greeted with relief by Americans.
Also, across the same Atlantic, the Clinton White House is still highly
steeped in management theories, as manifested in its obsession with
management think-tanks and management renewal retreats on weekends. It was
even reported that Clinton allegedly propositioned Paula Jones while
attending a conference on 'total quality management,' thus reiterating the
fact that Clinton's interest in management techniques goes back a very long
way indeed. In 1995, it was also reported that Clinton had even consulted
not only Princess Diana's mentor, Anthony Robbins but also Steven Covey,
another well-known motivational expert. We have it on good authority that
Hillary Clinton's elaborate health plan was primarily prepared by a
management expert, Ira Magaziner. Al Gore, Clinton's Vice-President, spends
ample time reinventing government, in keeping with the latest management
thinking and recipe. It, therefore can be argued, from the above, that most
leaders in the Western hemisphere, believe in management techniques as
veritable tools of governance.
One of the most intriguing revelations regarding an alternative approach to
governance, however, is the widely reported use of indigenous spiritual
advisers by Nigeria's late Head of State, General Sani Abacha. Newswatch
(July 6, 1998) reported that many of Abacha's marabouts were invited from
far-away nations like Chad, Sudan, Mauritania and Niger. He accommodated
them in Aso Rock guest houses and at the Abuja Sheraton Hotels and Towers.
However, the guru of the gurus and the one who commanded Abacha's blindest
obedience was one Sarkin Sasa, allegedly based in Ibadan. Thus, it has been
suggested that Abacha took his spiritual advisers, his babalawos,
soothsayers and marabouts as seriously as Clinton took his management gurus.
Naturally, a management expert and a marabout have something in common: each
is a guru in his own right. The implication is that management gurus and
marabouts are all conmen, the witch doctors and soothsayers of our time, who
play on people's anxieties in order to sell snake oil and the latest potion
or fad on successful leadership. In effect, modern management theory is not
much more reliable than either traditional medicine or indigenous gurus.
After all, soothsayers, like management gurus, often convince us with their
contrivances, and usually by trial and error, instinct or even happenstance.
When babalawos fail, it is not uncommon, in Nigeria, to resort to
extra-spiritual or other equally dynamic problem-solving interventions, as
the following newspaper headlines would readily confirm: "Milad, Striking
Workers in Prayer War," "Jujuman Warns Obasanjo," "Civil Service Union Asks
Workers to Fast," "Father Kills Daughter for Money Rituals," "Juju at France
'98," and Commissioners Consult Spiritualists to Retain Posts." It is
precisely against this background that in my own management consulting
practice, I routinely remind potential clients that there are at least the
following seven methods for solving problems: appeal to the supernatural,
appeal to a worldly and preferably older and wiser authority, pure logic,
intuition, common sense, the scientific method, and magic. These approaches
are, of course, not mutually exclusive and often tend to overlap. While any
of them may be temporarily helpful, some may indeed be quite disastrous.
What is important to stress, however, is that the client has both a choice
as well as the final word, in terms of what is preferable.
Is it then necessary to speak about charlatans and the rest? A marabout is a
guru, so also is a management expert. However, nothing is far from the truth
than the belief that a specific magic portion or incantation will cure all
ills. Choosing between the soothsayer and the management guru is, therefore,
a herculean task, particularly since the witch doctor's products do not
usually come with any form of health warning. It may thus be wiser to
subject each guru to far-reaching scrutiny before taking him on. The most
critical yardstick for all leaders and managers, of course, is performance
and the extent to which the people's or a corporate body's well-being and
effectiveness are activated.
Paradoxically, the presence of gurus, on both sides, have continued to make
today's contradictory governance imperative much more contradictory still.
Like most successful witch doctors, management gurus continue to predict a
future full of turbulence and uncertainty but where the only lasting source
of advantage is excellent and proactive management.
In essence, beyond the marabouts and other gurus, leaders and others need
better ways to control their destiny as well as human nature. As we nurture
our predilection for magic cures, we shall discover that our penchant
towards superstition will continue to make us susceptible to patronising the
gurus. At the end of the day, however, a creative focus on the fundamentals
will be seen as the best strategy for problem solving, effective governance,
as well as managerial excellence.
Dr. Amadi is chief executive of a management consulting firm in Owerri.
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Dr Saine,
I think you have done a great job in bringing this important issue to our
attention. However as one begins to put ideas on paper it would be important
to ask a few questions.
1. Who are the "We"?
2. What is the role of this team? Advisory or negotiating?
3. What is at stake or what are the potential rewards for all the potential
participants?
I begin with asking "Who are the We" because it will determine how all
interested parties will respond. If the "we" is viewed with skepticism or
partisan then out goes the good work and intentions.
I believe that the team will go far if it is seen NON-PARTISAN. Of course
taking into consideration past references.
Secondly any suggestion (explicit or implicit) that team is demanding or
negotiating with the government could seriously affect its performance. This
team should take the high road as a Think Tank free of influence from either
sides of this debate. It must not judge but advice with reasoning. Any
demand made should be seen in all quarters as fare and square. Taking up an
advisory role may help a lot.
Thirdly, what's at stake for me or anybody? We mentioned the people of the
Gambia, the detainees how about those unfortunate enough to be in power? The
teams suggestions and ideas MUST benefit them too. If it appears that is
not the case its a dead end road!
That brings us to the issue of where to begin. I think the team should equip
itself with sufficient ammunition by asking right questions to the right
people. Some effort should be made to get REAL public opinion. That opinion
should be free of bias. I think the infrastructure is there for some kind of
opinion survey to be conducted in and out of the Gambia on burning troubling
issues threatening the Gambian society.
Results from such as study could be the talking points for any future work.
Have a good day.
Malanding Jaiteh
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Subject: Responses to "It is Time to Heal"/ Possible Strategies
> G-L Community:
> The response to an earlier posting "it is Time to Heal" was positive.
> Many felt that the time had come to go beyond personal attacks on the L
> and debate the issues. Others who remarked on the posting also saw the
> need to engage the current APRC Government, its leadership and other
> groups and parties in Gambia, in order to effect the meaningful change
> we all desire in Gambia. Amidst this agreement, however, were those who
> while agreeing with these goals, felt that the current regime may not be
> open to such a dialogue. Accordingly, what seemed to be agreed by all
> was the need for "peace, tranquility and reconciliation" and that we
> should try, regardless. Several suggestions emerged from the discussion
> regarding what we want to see implemented in Gambia. These include:
>
> * Unbanning all political parties and politicians in preparation for the
> presidential elections in 2001;
>
> * The Holding of free and fair elections, a pre-condition of which would
> be the resignation of the current Government or the appointment of a
> transitional national Government;
>
> * Newly Elected Government must investigate all allegations of
> corruption and embezzlement and punish those guilty of such crimes
> against the People;
>
> * Investigate and prosecute instances of human rights violations,
> including but not limited to the deaths of Ousman "Korro" Ceesay and
> Sadibu Hydra and release all political prisoners.
>
> It was proposed that:
>
> * We need to assure the current APRC Government of our goals and
> intentions and our desire to work with them to effect these reforms;
>
> * Galvanize as broad a spectrum as possible, here and in Gambia, in
> order to get the critical mass to see these reforms through;
>
> * Set up a coordinating committee representing the diverse views on the
> L and in Gambia.
>
> Where do we go from here and what do we do:
>
> It was propose that we write to President Jammeh and other opposition
> political parties informing them of our goals and our collective desire
> to work with them to bring an end to Gambia's political and economic
> crises;
>
> Follow this up with a delegation to meet and discuss these issues with
> the above parties;
>
> Begin to raise the funds for travel and ultimately financially support
> Jammeh and/or any political party that best represents our views.
> WHAT DO YOU THINK?
> Thank You
> Abdoulaye Saine
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Several suggestion
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Hello John,
I read your posting with utter disdain. You don't have to harass
someone to get your point across. We live in a world where the market place
of ideas prevail, therefore we agree to disagree in this forum. Imagine how
this bantaba will be if we all have the same view towards issues. Reading
your posting made me question your interlectual capabilities. I hope in the
future you will not let your emotions dictate what you post in this forum. I
also believe that you don't have the moral grounds to insult Dr. Taal if you
don't even have the guts to post messages with your real name. I hope you
will not take my posting personal, because it's not intended to be
malicious.
Jere Jef,
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Madiba,
Thank you for forwarding this piece.
I must say that the author of this piece might be right in some cases,as
those he mention,but the fact is that this is not mainly reason why women=
do
get married and I dont even believe that this is a big problem.There is a=
lso
the fact that there are men who get married for material reasons,so to sa=
y
this is not only a woman issue.If we are to look at this issue we will fi=
nd
out that there are more serious problems that forced women to get married=
and
I believe that this are issues that needed more of our attention.
Generally we will find out that most women do get married out of love but=
there are cases were women are forced to get married by their own parents=
out
of material needs or for the sake of recognition.And if you will agree wi=
th me
,we live in a society that is culturally dominated by men and they set th=
e
norm of our choice of love.The least that happens is a mother to force he=
r
daughter to married with some one whom she is not in love with.Mostly it =
is
our brothers,our fathers our uncles etc who do such things.
Again,the nature of our society is that if a woman did not get married at=
a
certain stage of her life she is look upon with a different eyes and have=
different role in our society,that is to say little respect,such a situat=
ion
have forced many women to get married with some one whom they did not
love.Take also our religion,Islam.If a woman died without being married,s=
he
could not be buried in a proper muslim way,normally what is done is that =
they
get some one who will marry her before the burial could take place.But a =
man
can died and be buried as good muslim without ever been married in his
life.Well you see Author ,so when you men complain that we get married fo=
r
material reasons,forgetting that you are the very people who set up the r=
ules
of which we are bound to follow or else we are told that we are influence=
by
western ideas and or have no respect for our culture.Marriage becomes not=
only
an individual option but part of the social structures of the society. Le=
t us
look at the issue,nearer home;
In The Gambia the payment of bride wealth is a contract reach by men. The=
negotiation becomes a determining factor as to the real worth of the brid=
e.
The male representatives of the two families concerned negotiated until t=
hey
reached an acceptable agreement. The bride wealth could be in form of cat=
tle,
pottery, cash,etc. The groom's family, if rich and prestigious, might wan=
t to
show off and give very attractive offers,and again, if they believed what=
they
were acquiring was worth it.
Then again many people advance different reason for bridewealth payment.
SOme say it is a token given to the bride's family as a sign of appreciat=
ion
for a daughter so well brought up. Others say it is a symbol to strengthe=
n the
bond between the two families. Yet others say it signifies the groom's ab=
ility
to cater and provide for his future wife and family. But if that is the c=
ase,
why the negotiation? Perhaps the cases mention in your forwarded piece,th=
e
women involved were just doing the negotiation on their own without no mi=
ddle
man,this will without doubt anger many men who will want a piece of the c=
ake
!!!!
Yes there are men who will want to show that they are capable of maintain=
ing a
wife by providing for her needs,and in our this society were women are ju=
st
women,finding it hard to get a job and are constantly reminded that they
belong to the house,produce children,feed their husband and then they are=
incomplete until and unless they are owned by a man.In such a society get=
ting
married to a rich husband becomes an important
preveledge,of which,off course,many are dreaming of today. Until we have =
a
society with the believed that marriage must be base on love and women be=
recognize as human beings,the situation will have to continue this way, s=
o the
issue is not a only a woman issue.
The Struggle Continues!!
Ndey Jobarteh
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Date: 14 November 1999 22:41
Subject: WHY DO YOU WANT TO MARRY ?
>Hi Folks,
>
>Hmmmm......interesting!! However, I am neither endorsing nor repudiati=
ng
>the views expressed in it. Just forwarding it out as FYI.
>
>Cheers,
> Madiba.
>
>Sunday Vanguard: Feminique
>
>Why do you want to marry?
>
>
>The couple wedded traditionally last year. However, the supremacy of t=
he
>"White wedding" has become an unfortunate reality in our cultural life=
=2E
>Perhaps, because of this notion, the girl felt half-married. If she ha=
d
not
>felt half-married, she wouldn't have insisted on stupid conditions tha=
t
has
>now cost her, her happiness.
>
>The guy from the point of view of society has a bright future. He is a=
>struggling businessman who doesn't have to contend with looking after =
the
>extended family as he comes from a well to do family. The girl is from=
a
>middle class background. Both are from the East.
>
>A few months to the white wedding, she began to make funny demands. Sh=
e
>wanted the guy to move from his Ikeja apartment. She wanted fried rice=
for
>the wedding instead of Jollof rice. She wanted a proper band instead o=
f a
>police band. She doesn't want any family interference. She above all
wanted
>the guy to declare his assets.
>
>All these, in spite of the fact that each family member from the guy's=
side
>had pledged to do something. The elder brother was going to be incharg=
e of
>her wedding gown; a yard cost ten thousand Naira. The groom's mother w=
as
>going to be incharge of getting the gift plates and so on. The sad thi=
ng
is
>that the marriage has been cancelled. Why? Because (as I feel) the lad=
y
>never felt married; she obviously does not know the reason for marriag=
e.
>
>She must have focused too foolishly on the material aspect of marriage=
where
>the woman is supposed to be expensively taken care of. I find the
situation
>very unfortunate because this couple traditionally got married in 1978=
and
>almost a year later the lady began to give unnecessary conditions.
>
>Sometimes, (some) women are the cause of their problems. If a woman is=
so
>fixated on riches and a man treats her as a material component without=
any
>spiritual essence; people will say the man is bad. It is not as if it =
is
>totally out of place to know the financial situation of your man, mayb=
e as
a
>way of knowing how to move your family forward or simply how to compor=
t
>yourself; but when you now behave as if that man owes you because he w=
ants
>to marry you, it becomes ridiculous.
>
>All right, let us just suppose that the guy is also ruled by materiali=
sm,
so
>what happens to the marriage when there is no money to meet the high
taste?
>Marriage is acquiring a new definition in our modern world, your man f=
or
>health reasons may not be able to make money for some time, and in tha=
t
case
>the woman takes over. Which is what "for better for worse" entails.
>
>A friend told me about this fair dame who does not hide the fact that =
she
>likes money. She even goes as far as boasting to her female friends on=
how
>she gets money from these guys. She is married now. Her husband gives =
her
>fifty thousand every month, but he is hardly around and there is even =
a
>rumour that the husband is dating her best friend. The husband, I
understand
>had on occasion told her that as far as he was concerned, he satisfies=
her.
>
>Their marriage is just turning one. It is a very worrisome thing when =
a
>woman goes into marriage with the thought of perpetuating false values=
>because of the love of money. Such women should not complain when thei=
r
>husbands treat them the way they ought to be treated: as decorated
>mannequins.
>
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FYI.
Abdoulie A. Jallow
"If you will tell me why the fen
appears impassable, I then
will tell you why I think that I
can get across it if I try."
I May, I Might I Must - by Marianne Moore=20
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ISLAMIC ECONOMICS BULLETIN
Volume 9 Number 5 September-October =
1999
=20
=20
ISLAMIC ECONOMICS : ITS RELEVANCE IN INDIA
Since the last few years, the Indian Association for Islamic Economics =
has
been making strenuous efforts in its own humble way,
to present Islamic Economics as a redeeming alternative in the Indian
situation. The odds against such an attempt are heavy. The
din raised the very adjective Islam engenders hate and rejudice and =
lulls
the ability the enquire and examine. However, we are
encouraged by some positive features of the otherwise scintillating
scenario. In the first place, we do not stand alone, but are a
part of the global endeavour the present, and investigate the relevance =
of
Islamic Economics and demonstrate its viability and
vigour as a comprehensive answer to the overwhelming socio-economic
challenges faced by mankind. The dizzy heights of
material property accessible to modern man have unleased consumption
coexisting with starvation and hunger & etc. Distressed
by this inherently intolerable situation economic policy planners an
financial gaints have doled out a host of conventional
palliatives. But the question still persists, what has gone wrong with
modern rectify. It is necessary, therefore to turn to far more
basic changes to retrieve humanity from the morass of prosperity
coexisting with misery and disease.=20
Another silver lining is the fact that people are ready to listen to the
call of Islamic teachings despite the biases underlying the
present social attitudes in India. Recent example of the dedicated group
of people belonging to Jamaat-e-Islami, Kerala who
launched a state wide movement to draw the attention of all and sundry =
to
the ills of interest based financial transaction is
heartening. A wide cross section of people belonging to all faith, and
cultural persuasion responded to the call with appreciation
and gave their undertaking to examine Islamic economic system are =
pro-poor
and vigorously equitable. Moreover, they spell
out an effective mechanism to restrain the excesses of power born out of
wealth and prosperity. It shifts the emphasis from
materials paraphernalia of economic activity to that of the raison =
detre'
of social economic life. By so doing it restores the dignity
of man as such. The prude of place accorded to capital and its owners is
substituted by ordinary man and his hard work.
Investment to improve the quality of life of an ordinary man is the
foremost criterion to judge the worth of economic
development. It is this change for perspective that appeals to the
innermost recesses of human heart, and transcends all
differences of casts to creed.=20
The Indian Association for Islamic Economics therefore stands vindicated
in its modest efforts. It is encouraged ton redouble its
efforts to present the case of Islamic Economics to all those who care =
to
listen. It proposes to organize a Workshop on the
central theme of Economic development and financial organization in the
first week of October 1999. It hopes to underline the
distinctiveness of the Islamic approach to economic development change =
of
basic parameters and shift of emphasis from
tangible goods of production to the quality of human life. It also hopes
to demonstrate that interest free system of finance is not
only plausible but also calculated to rid the economy of ills of =
injustice
and exploitation. It furthers hopes to relate Islamic
Economics to the real problems of the Indian people in general and =
Muslims
in particular.=20
Surely it is a formidable task and our resources both material an human,
fall much below the requirements. But we hope and
pray that this humble beginning shall flower to something credible in
future.=20
=20
News and Views
=20
Dr. M.N. Siddiqi Delivers lecture on Islamic Banking=20
Aligarh : Noteed Muslim economist Prof. Muhammad Nejatullh Siddiqi of =
King
Abdul Aziz University Juddah , Saudi Arabia,
delivered a though provoking lecture on the problems and prospects of
Islamic banking in the global era, and spelled out various
doubts regarding the philosophy of Islamic economics and financial =
system.
He was speaking at a selected gathering of
academics and research scholars at the Arts Faculty of the Aligarh =
Muslim
University on August 7, 1999.=20
While analyzing the theoretical sspects of Islamic banking, Prof. =
Siddiqi
highlighted their contemporary experiences, their
potential markets in the new globalization era. He also spoke on the
prospects in financial institutions. Prof Siddiqui put his
arguments with regards to the inherently unstable system of the
contemporary interest-based financial system around the world.
As for the operating the newly established Islamic finance houses he =
said
they are still immature as compared to hundred years
of old western banking system. However, the theoretical foundations of
Islamic Banks are quite strong and they have ability to
attract potential markets. But he also indicated clearly that at present
Islamic bank's too much reliance on murabahah (cost plus)
financing may not be healthy in the future.=20
The programme was organised by the Department of Economics, Aligarh =
Muslim
University, with Prof. Siddiqi has his long
association. In his welcome speech, Prof, A.Z. Rizivi, Chairman of
Department of Economics, called him a great scholar of this
university whose influence and Islamic economic ideas have now traveled
across the national boundaries. Prof. Siddiqi has
contributed on the financial aspects of Islamic economics and is rightly
considered as the pioneer of Islamic banking.=20
Malaysia Conference Concludes=20
An International Conference on 'Islamic Economics in the 21st
International Islamic University Malaysia, It was almost 5 years
since the University organised a conference on international level in =
the
area of Islamic economics. The conference was attended
by two hundred delegates from more that 15 countries. But the faces of
many giant Islamic economists were missing from the
conference. The Malaysian Education Minister Dato' Seri Mohd,. Najib Tun
Abdul Razak who is also the president of IIUM
officially opened the conference. The issues raised during the =
conference
included the principles and interpretation of riba
Islamic bonds, waqf, gharar, zakah, Islamic banking and the economy in
general. Speakers an discussants included members of
university and Institutions such as IIUM, the University of Palestine,
University of Algeria, IRTI/IDB and many others, Members
of corporate sectors such as al-Rajhi Banking and investment Corporation
of Saudi Arabia, World Assurance of Algeria, the
Central of Iran, The Bank Islamic Malaysia, etc. The Conference also
discussed means of cooperation and coordination
between different organization and institutions of Islamic economics.=20
=20
NEW BOOKS & ARTICLES
BOOKS=20
1. Bates, Michael, Dinars and Dirhams: Coins of the Islamic lands: the
Early Period, Oxford, UK: University Press, 1997, 307
pp .296.=20
2. Comare-Obeid, Nayla, the Law of Business Contracts in the Arab Middle
East, The Hague, Netherlands,: Kluwer Law
International, 1997, 255 pp.=20
3. Shouk, Ahmad Ibrabim abu and Bjorkelo, Andres, (ed. And tr.) The =
Public
Treasury of the Muslims: Monthly Budgets of
the Midhist State in the Sudan- 1897, Lieden Netherlands: E/J Brill =
1997.
371 pp.=20
4. Abdul Gafoor, A.L.M. Interest-Free Commercial Banking. Groningen
(Netherlands) apptec Publication 1995.=20
ARTICLES=20
1. Ariff Mohammad, "The Malaysia Economic Experoments and its Relevance
for thOIC Member Countries", Islamic
Economic Studies (Jeddah, Saudi Arabia), vol 6., No. 1 November 1999, pp
1-42.=20
2. Choudhury M.A., "a Critique of Current Thinking in Islamic Political
and Economic Issues of Islamic Political Economy,"
Islamic quarterly (London), Vol. No. 2, 1998, pp 125-43.=20
3. Cizakca, Murat, "Awqaf in History and Its Implication for Modern
Islamic Economics", Islamic Economics Studies (Jeddah,
Saudi Arabia), Vol. 6 Nos. 1 November 1999, pp 43-70.=20
4. Hazanuzzaman , S.M., "Interest-free Financing of Social Overheads',
Journal of Islamic Banking and Finance, (Karachi,
Pakistan) Vol. 15 No. 3,1998, pp 7- 11=20
5. Mohammad Faez., "The Role of the Islamic Development Bank in
Strengthening Regional Organisations and promoting
Economic Cooperation', Iranian Journal of International Affairs, =
(London),
Vol. 3. No.3, Fall 1997, pp 412-30.=20
6. Malik, Walied M.H., "Pre contractual Liability in Mineral =
Negotiations
with Special Reference to Islamic Law', In: E. Cotran
and C. Mallat (eds.), Year Book of Islamic and Middle Eastern Law, Vol. =
3.
1996, London: The School of Oriental and
African Studies, 1997, pp 3- 31.=20
7. Obaidullah, Mohammad, "Financial Engineering with Islamic Options',
Islamic Economic Studies (Jeddah) Saudi Arabia, Vol.
6. No.1 November 1999, pp 73-103.=20
8. Siddiqui, Moin A., The Growing Popularity of Islamic Banking,' The
Middle East (London), June 1999, 33-35.=20
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ISLAMIC ECONOMICS : ITS RELEVANCE IN INDIA<BR><BR>Since the last few =
years, the=20
Indian Association for Islamic Economics has<BR>been making strenuous =
efforts in=20
its own humble way,<BR>to present Islamic Economics as a redeeming =
alternative=20
in the Indian<BR>situation. The odds against such an attempt are heavy.=20
The<BR>din raised the very adjective Islam engenders hate and rejudice =
and=20
lulls<BR>the ability the enquire and examine. However, we =
are<BR>encouraged by=20
some positive features of the otherwise scintillating<BR>scenario. In =
the first=20
place, we do not stand alone, but are a<BR>part of the global endeavour =
the=20
present, and investigate the relevance of<BR>Islamic Economics and =
demonstrate=20
its viability and<BR>vigour as a comprehensive answer to the =
overwhelming=20
socio-economic<BR>challenges faced by mankind. The dizzy heights =
of<BR>material=20
property accessible to modern man have unleased =
consumption<BR>coexisting with=20
starvation and hunger & etc. Distressed<BR>by this inherently =
intolerable=20
situation economic policy planners an<BR>financial gaints have doled out =
a host=20
of conventional<BR>palliatives. But the question still persists, what =
has gone=20
wrong with<BR>modern rectify. It is necessary, therefore to turn to far=20
more<BR>basic changes to retrieve humanity from the morass of=20
prosperity<BR>coexisting with misery and disease. <BR><BR>Another silver =
lining=20
is the fact that people are ready to listen to the<BR>call of Islamic =
teachings=20
despite the biases underlying the<BR>present social attitudes in India. =
Recent=20
example of the dedicated group<BR>of people belonging to =
Jamaat-e-Islami, Kerala=20
who<BR>launched a state wide movement to draw the attention of all and =
sundry=20
to<BR>the ills of interest based financial transaction is<BR>heartening. =
A wide=20
cross section of people belonging to all faith, and<BR>cultural =
persuasion=20
responded to the call with appreciation<BR>and gave their undertaking to =
examine=20
Islamic economic system are pro-poor<BR>and vigorously equitable. =
Moreover, they=20
spell<BR>out an effective mechanism to restrain the excesses of power =
born out=20
of<BR>wealth and prosperity. It shifts the emphasis from<BR>materials=20
paraphernalia of economic activity to that of the raison detre'<BR>of =
social=20
economic life. By so doing it restores the dignity<BR>of man as such. =
The prude=20
of place accorded to capital and its owners is<BR>substituted by =
ordinary man=20
and his hard work.<BR>Investment to improve the quality of life of an =
ordinary=20
man is the<BR>foremost criterion to judge the worth of =
economic<BR>development.=20
It is this change for perspective that appeals to the<BR>innermost =
recesses of=20
human heart, and transcends all<BR>differences of casts to creed. =
<BR><BR>The=20
Indian Association for Islamic Economics therefore stands =
vindicated<BR>in its=20
modest efforts. It is encouraged ton redouble its<BR>efforts to present =
the case=20
of Islamic Economics to all those who care to<BR>listen. It proposes to =
organize=20
a Workshop on the<BR>central theme of Economic development and financial =
organization in the<BR>first week of October 1999. It hopes to underline =
the<BR>distinctiveness of the Islamic approach to economic development =
change=20
of<BR>basic parameters and shift of emphasis from<BR>tangible goods of=20
production to the quality of human life. It also hopes<BR>to demonstrate =
that=20
interest free system of finance is not<BR>only plausible but also =
calculated to=20
rid the economy of ills of injustice<BR>and exploitation. It furthers =
hopes to=20
relate Islamic<BR>Economics to the real problems of the Indian people in =
general=20
and Muslims<BR>in particular. <BR><BR>Surely it is a formidable task and =
our=20
resources both material an human,<BR>fall much below the requirements. =
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hope and<BR>pray that this humble beginning shall flower to something =
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<BR><BR>Aligarh :=20
Noteed Muslim economist Prof. Muhammad Nejatullh Siddiqi of =
King<BR>Abdul Aziz=20
University Juddah , Saudi Arabia,<BR>delivered a though provoking =
lecture on the=20
problems and prospects of<BR>Islamic banking in the global era, and =
spelled out=20
various<BR>doubts regarding the philosophy of Islamic economics and =
financial=20
system.<BR>He was speaking at a selected gathering of<BR>academics and =
research=20
scholars at the Arts Faculty of the Aligarh Muslim<BR>University on =
August 7,=20
1999. <BR><BR>While analyzing the theoretical sspects of Islamic =
banking, Prof.=20
Siddiqi<BR>highlighted their contemporary experiences, =
their<BR>potential=20
markets in the new globalization era. He also spoke on the<BR>prospects =
in=20
financial institutions. Prof Siddiqui put his<BR>arguments with regards =
to the=20
inherently unstable system of the<BR>contemporary interest-based =
financial=20
system around the world.<BR>As for the operating the newly established =
Islamic=20
finance houses he said<BR>they are still immature as compared to hundred =
years<BR>of old western banking system. However, the theoretical =
foundations=20
of<BR>Islamic Banks are quite strong and they have ability to<BR>attract =
potential markets. But he also indicated clearly that at =
present<BR>Islamic=20
bank's too much reliance on murabahah (cost plus)<BR>financing may not =
be=20
healthy in the future. <BR><BR>The programme was organised by the =
Department of=20
Economics, Aligarh Muslim<BR>University, with Prof. Siddiqi has his=20
long<BR>association. In his welcome speech, Prof, A.Z. Rizivi, Chairman=20
of<BR>Department of Economics, called him a great scholar of =
this<BR>university=20
whose influence and Islamic economic ideas have now traveled<BR>across =
the=20
national boundaries. Prof. Siddiqi has<BR>contributed on the financial =
aspects=20
of Islamic economics and is rightly<BR>considered as the pioneer of =
Islamic=20
banking. <BR><BR>Malaysia Conference Concludes <BR><BR>An International=20
Conference on 'Islamic Economics in the 21st<BR>International Islamic =
University=20
Malaysia, It was almost 5 years<BR>since the University organised a =
conference=20
on international level in the<BR>area of Islamic economics. The =
conference was=20
attended<BR>by two hundred delegates from more that 15 countries. But =
the faces=20
of<BR>many giant Islamic economists were missing from the<BR>conference. =
The=20
Malaysian Education Minister Dato' Seri Mohd,. Najib Tun<BR>Abdul Razak =
who is=20
also the president of IIUM<BR>officially opened the conference. The =
issues=20
raised during the conference<BR>included the principles and =
interpretation of=20
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economy=20
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and=20
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as=20
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Assurance=20
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coordination<BR>between=20
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and=20
Dirhams: Coins of the Islamic lands: the<BR>Early Period, Oxford, UK: =
University=20
Press, 1997, 307<BR>pp .296. <BR><BR>2. Comare-Obeid, Nayla, the Law of =
Business=20
Contracts in the Arab Middle<BR>East, The Hague, Netherlands,: Kluwer=20
Law<BR>International, 1997, 255 pp. <BR><BR>3. Shouk, Ahmad Ibrabim abu =
and=20
Bjorkelo, Andres, (ed. And tr.) The Public<BR>Treasury of the Muslims: =
Monthly=20
Budgets of<BR>the Midhist State in the Sudan- 1897, Lieden Netherlands: =
E/J=20
Brill 1997.<BR>371 pp. <BR><BR>4. Abdul Gafoor, A.L.M. Interest-Free =
Commercial=20
Banking. Groningen<BR>(Netherlands) apptec Publication 1995. =
<BR><BR>ARTICLES=20
<BR><BR>1. Ariff Mohammad, "The Malaysia Economic Experoments and =
its=20
Relevance<BR>for thOIC Member Countries", Islamic<BR>Economic =
Studies=20
(Jeddah, Saudi Arabia), vol 6., No. 1 November 1999, pp<BR>1-42. =
<BR><BR>2.=20
Choudhury M.A., "a Critique of Current Thinking in Islamic =
Political<BR>and=20
Economic Issues of Islamic Political Economy,"<BR>Islamic quarterly =
(London), Vol. No. 2, 1998, pp 125-43. <BR><BR>3. Cizakca, Murat, =
"Awqaf in=20
History and Its Implication for Modern<BR>Islamic Economics", =
Islamic=20
Economics Studies (Jeddah,<BR>Saudi Arabia), Vol. 6 Nos. 1 November =
1999, pp=20
43-70. <BR><BR>4. Hazanuzzaman , S.M., "Interest-free Financing of =
Social=20
Overheads',<BR>Journal of Islamic Banking and Finance, =
(Karachi,<BR>Pakistan)=20
Vol. 15 No. 3,1998, pp 7- 11 <BR><BR>5. Mohammad Faez., "The Role =
of the=20
Islamic Development Bank in<BR>Strengthening Regional Organisations and=20
promoting<BR>Economic Cooperation', Iranian Journal of International =
Affairs,=20
(London),<BR>Vol. 3. No.3, Fall 1997, pp 412-30. <BR><BR>6. Malik, =
Walied M.H.,=20
"Pre contractual Liability in Mineral Negotiations<BR>with Special=20
Reference to Islamic Law', In: E. Cotran<BR>and C. Mallat (eds.), Year =
Book of=20
Islamic and Middle Eastern Law, Vol. 3.<BR>1996, London: The School of =
Oriental=20
and<BR>African Studies, 1997, pp 3- 31. <BR><BR>7. Obaidullah, Mohammad, =
"Financial Engineering with Islamic Options',<BR>Islamic Economic =
Studies=20
(Jeddah) Saudi Arabia, Vol.<BR>6. No.1 November 1999, pp 73-103. =
<BR><BR>8.=20
Siddiqui, Moin A., The Growing Popularity of Islamic Banking,' =
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Assalaamu alaikum Ndey,
Alhamdulillah and you wrote:
<<Take also our religion,Islam.If a woman died without being married,she
could not be buried in a proper muslim way,normally what is done is that
they
get some one who will marry her before the burial could take place.>>
I don't think there is any basis (proof from the Qur'aan and Sunnah) for the
above procedure for female burial rights in Islaam. Most likely, it is an
inovation, if at all it exists. I am not aware of any ruling or practice
from the the Prophet (SAW) or his companions and the pious predecessors that
sanctions the above statement.
I am not aware of any scholar who ruled from the Qur'aan and Sunnah that
someone could marry a dead person.
In fact eleven of the teachers of our great Shaickh, Ibn Taymiyya
(raheemahullah) were female, and according to a biographical account I read,
one of them died a virgin without ever getting married. She was accorded a
noble burial (about 700 years ago). So what you reported is most likely an
inovation and not a legitimate sanction in Islaam. Unfortunately, inovations
are rampant in the Muslim world today.
May Allah grant us with knowledge of the Deen. Allahumma salli wasallim ala
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I have never been up-closed to His Excellency, and this Atlanta trip was
looked forward to as an opportunity to hear IT from the man himself.
President Jawara looks extremely well, still carries that personality of a
great man, and his ability to articulate his message is very impressive
indeed. At the end of the meeting, I made it clear to the organizers of my
disappointment of a lost opportunity. A man of President Jawara's calibre,
resourcefulness, experience, and one of the best resources that can be
essential to our search for solutions could have been better utilized.
Instead the whole meeting became a PPP political rally, a feel good therapy,
and ofcourse a nostalgia to the heydays of the Jawara era. Speakers were
selected, all ardent supporter of the Pa (understanably so), but the rhetoric
only reminded me of PPP rallies at Jarra, or Janjanbureng. The message lacked
substance, not very careful with the facts and extremely partisan. Oh yea, it
would not be a PPP rally without a Jaliba and a Kora to take us back to the
tunes that reminded us an era gone by. It was nice and it was an effective
therapy for the Pa, and I was infact happy for him.
The Pa's main message was an echo of the rattlings of the previous Speakers.
His central message revolved around these issues:
A. Most of the APRC projects were infact in the pipeline, and the foundation
was already in place.
B. He said it is preposterous to even suggest that his government has never
built schools."We have built several primary schools and most of the high
schools were public funded"
C. He talked about the successes of Parastatals, and how the Jammeh
government raided their reserves and made them ineffective.
D. He was very critical of Jammeh's so-called projects, and even made fun of
how most of these projects have become refuge for stray dogs and goats.
E. He proposed the need for civil disobedience by the civil servants as an
option to challeng Jammeh's government.
F. To looked into the possibility in organizing demostration, for instance at
the Carter human rights center. He emphasized the importance of such moves,
especially with large gatherings of Gambians inorder to attract the media
Conclusion:
It was sad that questions were not allowed, and this is where I got
disappointed, and echoed my sentiments to the organizers. I argued that It
was ironical that the champion of democracy, and his arguemant at the meeting
to the importance of civil liberties was shield from any critical questions,
or the raising of relevant issues to our development. Their explaination was
that the Pa's last visit to Atlanta was met with unruly individuals that
treated the elder statesman with so much dis-respect that they were not going
to see that happen to the Pa again.
Personally, I felt that his message lacked any critical probing, especially
after been out of office for so long, I was expecting a much more critical
analysis of the situation, and not to see him pursuing politics of his
handlers. A politics of retribution, politics of getting even, and even to
suggest that Jammeh's failures exonerated him from all allegations came
across vey hollow to me. I found him to be very descent, smart, articulate,
and I feel his pain, but it was also very clear that the Pa has still not
got the message.
I would also like to convey to the Pa, that whatever Jammeh does, whether
trample over democracy, send our economy on a tailspin; the Pa's legacy would
always be his legacy and would be judge on its own merit. And that even a
second chance would be disastrous because no matter how you slice it, Gambia
would be the ultimate looser
Musa jeng
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Madi,
I thank you for posting this great piece from Mr. Adenuba. Achebe is simply
the greatest African writer of all time. Don't forget the opening vignette
to the greatest African novel of all:
Things Fall Apart
The center cannot hold
The falcon cannot bear the falconer
Mere anachy is loose unpon the world.
I red it in 1983 when I was in Form 3. The lines stuck w/ me, because there
is no better opening to a novel.
I wish Achebe a Happy Birth day!
Saul
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>FYI.
>
>Cheers,
> Madiba.
>--
>We shall all live. We pray for Life, Children, a good harvest and
>happiness. You will have what is good for you and I will have what is good
>for me. Let the Kite perch and let the Eagle perch too. If one says no to
>the other, let his wing break. --Chinua Achebe, (Things Fall Apart).
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>Tuesday, 16 November 1999
>
>Achebe and our places of memory
>
>By Don Adinuba
>
>ADMITTEDLY, seldom can anyone who appreciates Chinua Achebe's greatness as
>one of 20th century's most gifted personalities fail to be moved by the
>spectacle of his present physical condition. We are only consoled by the
>awareness that, as Christie, the writer's graceful and adorable academic
>wife, has remarked pointedly, we recognise and pay homage to Chinua Achebe
>not because of his legs but because of his writing, a concomitant of his
>prodigious mental depth and philosophical range. His faculties are today as
>penetrating as they have ever been, as they were in 1958 when he published
>the world classic Things Fall Apart, at age 28. The more fascinating and
>deeper part of a recent meeting between Achebe and Mbadinuju was the naming
>of the road linking Government House in Awka with the legislative building
>and the judicial offices for the writer of genius. With the naming of this
>major road for him, Achebe has become, to the best of my knowledge, the
>first Nigerian artist to have a street named after him in a capital city,
>all the more so by the government.
>
>Some people may not consider this honour a big deal. Nigerian streets,
>after
>all, bear the names of all manner of people, including those who in a saner
>society would have been dead or in jail for heinous crimes against their
>own
>people. Some may even wonder whether Achebe needs to have a street named
>for
>him in his state capital when he was in 1978 named the first recipient of
>the National Merit Award, the country's highest honour for intellectual
>achievement. Or when he has for decades been one of the very few foreigners
>to be admitted into the highly revered cult of the American Modern Language
>Association. Or when his books have been translated into scores of
>languages
>and he is in high demand in the most important of places the world over.
>Isn't Achebe the winner of numerous prestigious prizes and the recipient of
>over 30 honorary doctoral degrees, by far the highest number for any
>African
>after former President Nelson Mandela? Achebe is one of the few
>iconographic
>figures in world history whose novels are compulsory reading for students
>in
>fields as diverse as psychology, anthropology, sociology, philosophy,
>history, religion, comparative theology, political science, etc. For
>instance, Claude Ake, the late eminent scholar of political economy, is
>known to have insisted on his students reading Achebe's A Man Of The People
>before taking them in courses on Nigerian politics and government. And in
>several universities the world over, Achebe's novels are compulsory for
>courses on African and Third World societies. Achebe, of course, remains
>the
>greatest individual influence on an entire generation of African writers.
>Declares distinguished Somali writer Nurudin Farah: "I've always held
>Achebe's writing in the highest esteem, believing it to be the most
>singular
>contribution the continent of African has made to world literature... He
>has
>no equal among us and many of us owe a great deal to him."
>
>Still, the honour done him by the Anambra State Government is significant.
>Achebe is a world citizen who is very much conscious of his roots which he
>regards as the source of his artistic accomplishment and virtuosity. At the
>time of the car accident in 1990, he was the president of the Ogidi
>Development Union, a post he took seriously, and he invested immeasurable
>time, mental and intellectual resources in it. "One of the most appealing
>aspects of Achebe's presence," says Michael Thelwell, the Jamaican
>professor
>at the University of Massachusetts, "is the sense of his being anchored in
>community. Within a personality of great complexity, an integrity of
>identity: On the one hand, a charming and sophisticated man of our time,
>travelled, worldly. On the other, the rooted dignity and calm of a
>responsible African elder fully integrated into the daily life and rhythm
>of
>community."
>
>The honour to Achebe is significant for another reason: homage to a man of
>learning, scholarship, wisdom and integrity rather than to a man of raw
>power and money. Since 1985, major streets, institutions and monuments in
>Nigeria have been named for the Babangidas and the Abachas in keeping with
>the feudal and imperial concept of power and of conquer and subjugation.
>The
>Kano State Government House was in the last few years named for Sani Abacha
>until last June, though the state's stadium is still called the Sani Abacha
>Stadium. A major Federal Government housing estate near Sheraton Hotel in
>Abuja is still named for Abacha's first son, Ibrahim Abacha, just like a
>public motor park in Owerri, Imo State. The press centre in Government
>House
>in Lagos was named for him until Governor Bola Tinubu changed it recently.
>Such examples are legion.
>
>Our universities, supposedly centres of ethical integrity, have not fared
>better. The University of Nigeria awarded, with great fanfare, an honorary
>doctorate to Mrs. Maryam Babangida during her hey-day, and Nnamdi Azikiwe
>University followed suit immediately Mrs. Maryam Abacha appeared on the
>scene as the first lady. Jeremiah Useni used to receive degrees and
>certificates from Nigerian higher institutions almost every weekend during
>his days as the powerful minister of the Federal Capital Territory.
>Abdulkareem Adisa got quite a number when he was the Minister of Works and
>Housing. Dan Etete, Abacha's Minister of Petroleum Resources, received a
>doctorate from the University of Port Harcourt at the height of the energy
>crisis which paralysed the entire nation. Edo State University announced it
>was conferring an honorary Doctorate of Letters on Abacha's pugnacious
>Foreign Affairs Minister Tom Ikimi in appreciation of his "area boy"
>diplomacy. Indeed, there is a "crisis in the temple," as venerable Pius
>Okigbo has observed of Nigerian universities. Which is why it is surprising
>that Ismaila Gwarzo and Hamza El-Mustapha, Abacha's ruthless security
>operatives, have not been decorated by our institutions for their high
>regard for the dignity of the human person. The duo of Babangida and Abacha
>truly perverted our social values, the greatest calamity to befall a
>nation.
>Under the duo, Nigerians became mammon disciples, worshipping at shrines of
>gods that always fail, as Edward Said, the scintillating Palestinian
>scholar
>at Columbia University in New York, observed in his BBC prestigious Reith
>Lecture series, now published as a book under the title Representations Of
>The Intellectual.
>
>Do we ever reflect on the implications of holding up Babangida and Abacha
>as
>well as their wives and children as role models? What legacy are our
>universities creating when they honour such barely literate but wealthy and
>ex-powerful government officials as Adisa, Etete, Useni, etc? Which of our
>universities is today proud to have bestowed honorary doctorates on Ani,
>Ikimi, and wives of Abacha and Babangida? No wonder, we are still stuck in
>history, wedded to the primitive age of mankind. We canonise iniquity.
>
>When we honour someone with an honorary degree or name an institution or
>monument for him or her, we are, ipso facto, creating a value system which
>will either ruin or salvage the larger society. "Every country," argues
>Richard Bernstein, the engaging American journalist and social thinker, in
>his seminal book, Dictatorship of Virtue, "has what the French historian
>Pierre Nora has called les lieux de memoire, 'the places of memory.' Nora
>defined them as the 'most striking symbols' that give a people their
>identity, 'the holidays,' the insignia, the monuments and memorials, the
>objects of veneration, the dictionaries and museums." The French, great
>lovers of the intellectual and philosophical tradition, as of their wine,
>name their streets and public places for writers, thinkers, scientists and
>truly great statesmen and personages in their march of civilisation. Nora
>records "historical moments as the anniversaries of the births of Voltaire
>and Rousseau, the funeral of Victor Hugo, the centennial observation in
>1879
>of the great revolution" as some of the places of memory in France. It was
>within this stream of consciousness that President Charles de Gaul
>proclaimed about a radical writer and philosopher: "Jean Paul-Satre is
>France!" As Chinua Achebe today marks his 69th birthday anniversary, we
>stand in awe before the Eagle on the Iroko.
>
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Mr. Jeng,
You're right on the money. Many Gambians still have a problem analyzing the
defunct Jawara admn vis-a-vis Jammeh's. The truth is, the two issues are
mutually exclusive. Jawara led a corrupt, inept and totally incompetent
regime. Regardless of what Yaya Jammeh does/does not do, that fact is
unchangeable. In other words, no amount of failure on Yaya's part will
exonerate Jawara. The fact that he and his supporters are saying the things
they're saying about Yaya, says more about them than it does about the
present regime. I'm not a supporter of Yaya Jammeh, but I do not believe for
a minute that the PPP govt. would have done any of the things that Yaya has
done since taking over. Like you've put it very aptly: The Pa just don't get
it!
I believe he is a decent old man. I say this because since being overthrown,
he has resisted the temptation to blame his cronies. All he had to do is
turn on one, and people will believe his side of the story. (Yaya and his
boys were singing his praise weeks after kicking him out.) It takes a
certain character to resist such "self-preserving urge?" But, what the Pa
needs to do is write his memoirs so posterity can learn from his terrible
mistakes. He is not being grateful to Gambians whose trust he has betrayed
all those years. Yaya Jammeh has s'thing to apologize for. But Jawara has an
even longer list! I would have asked the Pa if he would apologize for
failing my generation if he had held a forum in DC. This is not to shame
him, but to ask him to do the honorable thing. It's a shame I never had the
chance.
Saul.
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>I have never been up-closed to His Excellency, and this Atlanta trip was
>looked forward to as an opportunity to hear IT from the man himself.
>
>President Jawara looks extremely well, still carries that personality of a
>great man, and his ability to articulate his message is very impressive
>indeed. At the end of the meeting, I made it clear to the organizers of my
>disappointment of a lost opportunity. A man of President Jawara's calibre,
>resourcefulness, experience, and one of the best resources that can be
>essential to our search for solutions could have been better utilized.
>Instead the whole meeting became a PPP political rally, a feel good
>therapy,
>and ofcourse a nostalgia to the heydays of the Jawara era. Speakers were
>selected, all ardent supporter of the Pa (understanably so), but the
>rhetoric
>only reminded me of PPP rallies at Jarra, or Janjanbureng. The message
>lacked
>substance, not very careful with the facts and extremely partisan. Oh yea,
>it
>would not be a PPP rally without a Jaliba and a Kora to take us back to the
>tunes that reminded us an era gone by. It was nice and it was an effective
>therapy for the Pa, and I was infact happy for him.
>The Pa's main message was an echo of the rattlings of the previous
>Speakers.
>His central message revolved around these issues:
>A. Most of the APRC projects were infact in the pipeline, and the
>foundation
>was already in place.
>B. He said it is preposterous to even suggest that his government has never
>built schools."We have built several primary schools and most of the high
>schools were public funded"
>
>C. He talked about the successes of Parastatals, and how the Jammeh
>government raided their reserves and made them ineffective.
>D. He was very critical of Jammeh's so-called projects, and even made fun
>of
>how most of these projects have become refuge for stray dogs and goats.
>E. He proposed the need for civil disobedience by the civil servants as an
>option to challeng Jammeh's government.
>F. To looked into the possibility in organizing demostration, for instance
>at
>the Carter human rights center. He emphasized the importance of such moves,
>especially with large gatherings of Gambians inorder to attract the media
>
>Conclusion:
>It was sad that questions were not allowed, and this is where I got
>disappointed, and echoed my sentiments to the organizers. I argued that It
>was ironical that the champion of democracy, and his arguemant at the
>meeting
>to the importance of civil liberties was shield from any critical
>questions,
>or the raising of relevant issues to our development. Their explaination
>was
>that the Pa's last visit to Atlanta was met with unruly individuals that
>treated the elder statesman with so much dis-respect that they were not
>going
>to see that happen to the Pa again.
>Personally, I felt that his message lacked any critical probing, especially
>after been out of office for so long, I was expecting a much more critical
>analysis of the situation, and not to see him pursuing politics of his
>handlers. A politics of retribution, politics of getting even, and even to
>suggest that Jammeh's failures exonerated him from all allegations came
>across vey hollow to me. I found him to be very descent, smart, articulate,
>and I feel his pain, but it was also very clear that the Pa has still not
>got the message.
>I would also like to convey to the Pa, that whatever Jammeh does, whether
>trample over democracy, send our economy on a tailspin; the Pa's legacy
>would
>always be his legacy and would be judge on its own merit. And that even a
>second chance would be disastrous because no matter how you slice it,
>Gambia
>would be the ultimate looser
>
>Musa jeng
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Musa:
Thanks for summarizing the rally. Keep up the good work down there!
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Thank you for the clarification, now that it is confirmed that it has no=
thing
to do with Islam. Then we will revist the culture and tradition of where =
it
came from and why?
I also hope that the message will get home as well.
Until then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Struggle Continues!!!
Ndey Jobarteh
Momodou Jabang <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Assalaamu alaikum Ndey,
Alhamdulillah and you wrote:
<<Take also our religion,Islam.If a woman died without being married,she
could not be buried in a proper muslim way,normally what is done is that
they
get some one who will marry her before the burial could take place.>>
I don't think there is any basis (proof from the Qur'aan and Sunnah) for =
the
above procedure for female burial rights in Islaam. Most likely, it is an=
inovation, if at all it exists. I am not aware of any ruling or practice
from the the Prophet (SAW) or his companions and the pious predecessors t=
hat
sanctions the above statement.
I am not aware of any scholar who ruled from the Qur'aan and Sunnah that
someone could marry a dead person.
In fact eleven of the teachers of our great Shaickh, Ibn Taymiyya
(raheemahullah) were female, and according to a biographical account I re=
ad,
one of them died a virgin without ever getting married. She was accorded =
a
noble burial (about 700 years ago). So what you reported is most likely a=
n
inovation and not a legitimate sanction in Islaam. Unfortunately, inovati=
ons
are rampant in the Muslim world today.
May Allah grant us with knowledge of the Deen. Allahumma salli wasallim a=
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Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
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Mr. Camara:
I am unable to receive the messages you send. All that appears when I
open your mail is your address and no message. I have also sent you
several private messages telling you about it. Maybe, you could try the
public forum since you seem to be responding to my earlier postings.
Thanks!
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<< Thank you for the clarification, now that it is confirmed that it has
nothing
to do with Islam. Then we will revist the culture and tradition of where it
came from and why?
I also hope that the message will get home as well.
Until then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Struggle Continues!!!
Ndey Jobarteh
>>
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On this same note, l had heard somewhere that in order for an un-married
woman to perform the Hajj, she must find someone to marry her first. l have
been assured by some people knowledgeable in the deen that this is not true.
Perhaps you can make a comment on this brother Modou Mbye Jabang.
Jabou Joh
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While we are on it, how about the total shaving of a new born's head because
it is "sobeh" that the new born is carrying if not shaved? As well as UMRA
Jabou, - I have heard that even a married woman cannot go if not accompanied
by a man - how true is this Momodou Mbye?
Soffie
On this same note, l had heard somewhere that in order for an un-married
woman to perform the Hajj, she must find someone to marry her first. l have
been assured by some people knowledgeable in the deen that this is not true.
Perhaps you can make a comment on this brother Modou Mbye Jabang.
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In a message dated 11/17/99 9:10:32 PM Central Standard Time,
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<< I would also like to convey to the Pa, that whatever Jammeh does, whether
trample over democracy, send our economy on a tailspin; the Pa's legacy would
always be his legacy and would be judge on its own merit. And that even a
second chance would be disastrous because no matter how you slice it, Gambia
would be the ultimate looser
Musa jeng >>
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Musa,
l think this statement says it all. l am infact appalled that the Pa is still
trying to stage a comeback of sorts. You are right, he still has not got the
point that although the present government leaves much to be desired, it is
not an indication that Gambia needs another round of the D.K.Jawara era.
Jabou Joh
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I don't know if the following is true, but it is good to be forewarned.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:37 PM
Subject: FW:
According to this morning's edition
of Good Morning America, the FBI
will be releasing a report soon on potential
violence that may occur on the
eve of the new millennium. It was
speculated that groups such as the World
Church of the Creator, Black Hebrew
activists and the Aryan Nation will be
the main perpetrators of violent acts.
World Church of the Creator and
Black Hebrew activists are reported to be
preparing to launch a holy war
separating church and government on the eve of
2000. The Aryan nation(Hitler's Nazi
followers) were reported to be
preparing to shoot and kill any
non-whites in sight at the dawn of the new millennium.
The reason for this email is because
the Washington DC Metropolitan
area (which includes VA, and MD) has been
targeted as the area where most
of these violent acts will occur being
that many of our government
institutions are housed here (including FBI headquarters located on 9th and
D streets NW & the White House on Penn. Ave, etc...) Another reason this
area is a target is also because many African-Americans, Jewish,
Hispanics,
Asian descendants make up the majority of the population in this area.
Be careful this New Years Eve, there
are some crazy people out
there. And they share our streets.
Be Safe
Judy Wiltshire
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Infrastructure Sector Unit
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I have to thank Dr. Adboulie Saine for his hospitality, impartiality, a=
nd candor. Sir Dawda held his first meeting at the campus of the Univer=
sity of Miami (Ohio). As Mr. Bajo intimated earlier, Sir Dawda was very=
alert, and full of energy. After the opening introduction and comments=
by Dr. Abdoulie Saine, I was given the opportunity to ask the first que=
stion. My question to Sir Dawda was whether he still wants his old job =
back and to tell us what his government has done for the Gambia for the =
past thirty years. His answer to the first part of my quetion was to th=
e affirmative. He made it clear that he still has some unfinished busin=
ess to do in The Gambia and that he needs to rescue the Gambian. On the=
issue of what his government did for Gambia for thirty years, he took c=
redit for building and subsidizing all the High Schools including Nusrat=
, St. Augustines, and Muslim High Schools and the construction of the Ba=
njul Serrekunda Highway.
Folks, Sir Dawda was very accurate in measuring his government's achiev=
ements over thirty years: a couple of High Schools and a few miles of pa=
ved Highway. You be the judge.
I have to agree with Dr. Abdoulie Saine that we need to move on. If al=
l the Gambian scientists, engineers, and professors, combine our resours=
es, we can certainly contribute more toward the Gambia.
Happy holidays to all of you.
Malafy "Mafy" Jarju
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Delta Air Lines
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Folks, I hope our African Journalists and aspiring Journalists can lear=
n a thing or two from this piece. Pay particular attention to the last =
five paragraphs. This is particularly true especially to our Gambia-L '=
Aspiring Journalists' whose only claim to fame is blind criticism of Yah=
ya Jammeh.
Western Media and Distorted Images of Africa
By Gabby Otchere-Darko Journalist, UK
I read with a cup of unsweetened disbelief parts of an article by Kobby=
Ansah, a journalist in the UK describing Ghanaians in the UK as greetin=
g the
Queen's visit as an opportunity to shed light on the potential of Ghana=
's
economy. Call me a pessimist, but the general impression was not all th=
at
positive. The UK media seemed to be more concerned about the behaviour =
of
our MPs than the prospect of our economy. In fact, because of a number =
of
complaint I received from several enlightened Ghanaians in the UK over =
the
negative coverage in some of the prominent UK newspapers, especially th=
e
Times and the Daily Mail, I sent a formal compliant to the editor of th=
e
Times.
Mr Ansah spoke of the 'extensive coverage to the visit' by the Times wi=
th
the headlines of 'Queen is Hailed in Tribal Welcome.' It beggars belief=
that Kobby Ansah could deduce the reporter, Alan Hamilton's article as
anything but a negative, racist and a desperate attempt to re-invoke th=
e
old prejudicial stereotypical portrayal of the African as inferior,
primitive, tribal and with a culture lacking in finesse or aesthetic me=
rit.
According to Alan Hamilton on the durbar of chiefs and people, "lesser=
chiefs paid homage to the Great White Chief from across the sea on a du=
sty
parade ground under a merciless sky." On would have thought that such a=
seasoned journalist as Mr Hamilton undoubtedly is would have been
ratiocinative enough to desist from describing African culture as 'trib=
al'.
Call me pedantic or a moaner but I cannot help but notice that the wor=
d
'tribal' appears to be normally reserved for Africa. It is, I detect, a=
conscious effort to keep us stuck in the obtrusive pre-programmed boxes=
of
centuries'old prejudice.
He went on to describe the beautiful, magnificent, majestic and coloufu=
l
exhibition of the legendary Ghanaian hospitality under a cool canopy of=
mighty parasols as merely a "marathon of native dancing and piercing
thunder of drums the size of oil tankers." You do not have to have a
doctorate in linguistics to decipher the demeaning undertone.
As if that was not enough, he insulted Asantes by insinuating that the
Asantehene's absence was not in fact due to His Majesty mourning his
predecessor but that Nana Osei Tutu II took "umbrage at not being given=
first place in the presentation line-up" to greet the Queen. Really, is=
it
rather not the protocal that a visiting monarch goes forth to great the=
residing monarch? Should we forever kowtow to the notion of white
supremacy?
Furthermore, he insulted Ghanaians by his unruly description of the
President's ceremonial attire to Parliament. He informed his readers th=
at
President Jerry Rawling sat beside the Queen in an "all-enveloping gree=
n
and gold tribal toga", which had him "looking like a wrestler entangled=
in
his mother's curtains." May I inform your readers that it is not in the=
custom of seasoned journalists of reputed broadsheet newspaper to show =
such
disrespect to a president. It was simply an unnecessary mockery of a wh=
ole
nation and her culture; underlining something deeply sinister and
disturbing. To present an African culture and people in this derisive,
insensitive and uncivil manner may seem strange to many of your readers=
.
But, be assured we are used to it here in the West.
Honestly, I cannot see a coverage which clearly shows that the reporter=
chose to leave his proverbial 'Handbook of Anti-racist Etiquette' at ho=
me
before boarding the aeroplane to Africa as complimentary in any sense. =
With
a journalist like Kobby Ansah who appear to have this proclivity of
deducible weightlessness and intellectual capacity to discern racism an=
d
negativity claiming to be a medium, racism, prejudice and the black
person's disease of psychological incapacity have a long tenure of
survival. We cannot beat racism if we do not persevere to eradicate the=
imbalance in reports about Africans and about Westerners.
The Daily Mails' Stephen Glover picked up the baton with a damning art=
icle
on the President as having 'blood on his hands' and comparing him to
Augustus Pinochet, the disgraced ex-Chiliean dictator. It was a clear
attempt by the right wing paper to win domestic political points by
steaming into the Foreign Secretary's so-called 'ethical foreign policy=
'.
But, did it have to be at the expense of Ghana? Who cares, appears to b=
e the
obvious answer.
The television stations did not fair any better. All the channels
concentrated on Ghanaian parliamentarians' alleged abuse of royal proto=
col
in not listening to the Queen's address in 'dignified silence' but,
instead, jeered and cheered when the Queen made reference to the drawin=
g to
an end of the President's second and final term of office. I wondered
whether it was a subtle attempt to portray some form of 'uncivility' on=
our
politicians part. But, then, who asked the Queen to meddle in our polit=
ics?
What disenchanted many Ghanaians in the UK were the positions some of t=
hese
reporters took to make their broadcasts. The BBC and the Sky News
correspondents, in particular, chose to stand at very dusty, 'ghetto' s=
ide
of town to broadcast to the nation, here. It was quite baffling, bemusi=
ngly
so. It was as if to say, with Schadenfruede, don't worry folks, there a=
re
still well behind us in this long and wide-goose race of the races.
In other words, they appeared to be reminding their world that Africa h=
as
not changed for the better and the African still deserves to be looked =
down
upon. As if by some divine coincidence, another article in the dailies
pointed to a group of school children from Greenwich, London, whose
prejudiced image of Ghana was shattered when they visited Tema. These f=
uture
leaders spoke of their surprise that they were not housed in mud huts a=
nd
trees but lived in 'proper' houses and were privileged with many of the=
niceties and comforts of life.
You may wonder, but the plain truth remains that many people in the Wes=
t
have a distorted image of our continent, which is far from helpful. It
reinforces archaic sentimentalities about Africans as primitive and doe=
s
not help the African to unharness his inherent sense of creativity as h=
e
has being imbued with a deeply damaging sense of not being up to it.
The fundamental truth, albeit unpalatable is plainly this: Whereas, Wes=
tern
journalist are doing their outmost best to propagate the West's
stereotypically negative images of Africa, our journalist are inadverte=
ntly
helping to keep alight the all-consuming flames of the white man's
superiority by continualy reporting to the African selectively on matte=
rs
that psychologically make us feel inferior and give credence to the myt=
h
that all is rosy on the other side - beyond the corn farm.
Hardly ever does a positive image of Africa is shown to readers, listen=
ers
and visual audience in the West. Well, that is not entirely true. We do=
tend to get heavy doses of beautiful pictures of the lions, elephants,
zebras and other animals in the safari. Notwithstanding, occasionally
tarnished by the bad, bad African poacher who devilishly slew the wonde=
rful
and more important gorilla for his survival.
Images are not only important but also very powerful. The battle for th=
e
minds of Africans through control and ownership of the media has been a=
one-sided affair for far too long. As Marcus Garvey, the father of
Pan-Africanism, and the inspiration behind Dr Kwame Nkrumah, argued in =
1929:
"The white man's propaganda had made him the master of the world and al=
l
those who come into contact with it, and accepted it, have become his
slaves. [We are] now calling upon . members of our race to discard the
psychology and propaganda of all other peoples and advance our own."
On the same note, Inge Blackman, a black programme maker based in the U=
K,
explains that white male stories are particular but portrayed as the
universal human condition. They have been pumped at us and into us for =
so
long and in such an overwhelming way that it has left little space for
alternative visions.
According to the historian the late Dr John Henrik Clarke: "In the mass=
media, such as television, radio, newspapers and religious literature,
African people are rarely ever portrayed as playing a heroic role and m=
ost
of the time are not portrayed at all." But, may I remind you that the f=
irst
ever recorded Christian martyr was an African woman called Perpetual.
But, like the writer Amon Saba Sakana put it: "Intellectually, once you=
are
challenging the history of lies, inventions and fabrications made about=
our
history, culture and traditions, you get pushed into a corner. Simply
because they have the means to do it, the finance to do it and the powe=
r to
control you and define what you will and will not get."
It is the collective moral responsibility of African journalist to tell=
it
as it is, too. To use the memorable words of a fellow journalist, Micha=
el
Khesumaba Jess, "it is not only what you see that matters but also what=
you
don't." The earlier we remember that it is in nobody's interest other t=
han
the African's to uplift Africa the better. It is within the power of ou=
r
journalist to spread the flames of the African Renaissance far and wide=
,
inducing our long-tortured selves with the necessary dose of enlightenm=
ent
as to the real deal.
And, the real deal is simply this: we are not universally respected ab=
road
and we seem to believe that there is justification for this because our=
definition of all that is well and good is within the confinement of th=
e
lexicon as prescribed by Eurocentricism and happily subscribed by our o=
wn
social actors.
Stella Orakwue, a television producer and former Deputy Programme Edito=
r for
the now defunct News At Ten, put it more bluntly: "We [as black people]=
don't respect ourselves enough." Perhaps, buried beneath our legendary
Akwaaba for foreigners is a sad and self-fulfilling sub-conscious proph=
ecy
that we respect foreigners more than we do our own.
Respect the achievements of outsiders, by all means; but don't at the s=
ame
time forget that no one nation has been able to make a convincing claim=
to
attaining the sought-after heights of 'civilisation' and prosperity wit=
hout
outside influence. You gain not just by marvelling with admiration the =
work
of others while you relegate your own naturally-besotted creativity to =
the
realm of lethargy. Dormant is the domain of self-deprecation,
self-deprivation and self-perpetuating stigma.
In Kobby Ansah's article he referred to a Mr Alexander Ekow Bray of Lon=
don
as saying, "if the rest of the international community is interested in=
solving the problems of Africa, then Ghana should be the starting point=
."
Amen. Long shall we pray and look up unto the skies for almighty manna =
to
fall from heaven, everlastingly oblivious to the earthly fact that we a=
re
the absolute freeholders of an estate called Eden.
WOOOOW!!!!!
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Former President Sir Dawda Jawara was honored at what organizers dubbed a "reception" on Sunday in atlanta, Georgia.
About 150 people attended the program, which also featured Mr. Mbemba Jatta, former minister of trade, industry & development; and Mr. Sara Janha, former secretary-general and head of the civil service. The event was chaired by Kebba Jallow, former chairman of KUDC (KMC?).
The format of the program did not provide for a question-and-answer session.
Mr. Jawara discussed an array of issues during his address, including: unity, human rights, amnesty for Jammeh and group, tribalism, civil disobedience, corruption, and the country's overall state of affairs.
(1) UNITY
Sir Dawda said unity was key to success in dealing with the country's many challenges, including the struggle against the "military regime" in the Gambia.
He expressed delight at the spirit of unity exhibited by the Gambian community in Atlanta, and challenged Gambians elsewhere to emulate that example.
(2) HUMAN RIGHTS
Mr. Jawara underscored his regime's record on human rights, adding that only one execution was carried out during his tenure despite the crimes associated with the 1981 attempted coup.
(3) AMNESTY FOR JAMMEH & CO
The former president said some form of limited amnesty could be offered to Jammeh and his group in exchange for stepping down. But he cautioned that it won't be anything similar to the amnesty that the AFPRC granted itself "in that so-called constitution." He ruled out any negotiations with the APRC, saying it could only be used by the group to stay in power.
(4) TERM LIMITS
Mr. Jawara noted the AFPRC's failure to include term limits in the constitution, despite overwhelming popular support for the inclusion of such a provision.
(5) ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY< & PROBITY
These were the AFPRC's watchwords upon assuming power but, according to Jawara, the APRC has long forgotten these concepts.
**SEE PART (2) FOR CONTINUATION
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(6) CHARACTER OF CURRENT REGIME
Mr. Jawara described the current regime as "military in civilian clothes." He said the government in fact became more repressive since its attempted civilianization.
(7) CORRUPTION
Sir Dawda categorically denied allegations of corruption leveled against his administration by the AFPRC/APRC. He lamented the fact that many who should have known better (e.g. journalists, academics) believed "Jammeh's propaganda" that his government stole millions of dalasi worth of the country's resources.
He cited the APRC regime's alleged siphoning of a loan from Taiwan to private bank accounts as an example of the massive corruption the country is now experiencing. He noted that AFPRC leaders even rewarded themselves for the "danger" they faced in overthrowing his regime. Jawara added that it took the coup and subsequent amassing of wealth for AFPRC leaders to be able to find wives.
(8) DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER PROJECTS
The former president claimed that many of the projects touted as successes of the APRC regime were actually initiated by his administration.
On the construction of schools by the APRC, Sir Dawda explained that there is more to educational development than simply putting up buildings everywhere. He said his administration's achievements are wellknown to the audience.
(9) TRIBALISM
Sir Dawda expressed dismay at what he considered to be the rise of tribalism in The Gambia and appealed for an end to it. He said this phenomenon was unheard of during his tenure, and he blamed the APRC for its surge.
(10) ATLANTA VISITS COMPARED
Mr. Jawara noted with satisfaction the differences between his 1995 Atlanta visit and the current reception. He said his first visit was in the wake of the coup, and as is usually the case with such events, there was a great deal of euphoria. Now reality has sunk in, which he said explains the better reception he got this time around.
(11) CALL FOR CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
Gambian civil servants were challenegd by the former president to engage in civil disobedience as a show of their opposition to the APRC and its "repressive" policies.
He also urged the Gambian community in Atlanta to contribute toward ending military rule in The Gambia by organizing mass demonstrations (e.g. at the Carter Center) and lobbying influential figures such as former US president Jimmy Carter for support. This way, he added, the Gambian issue could be in the media spotlight.
**G-L members who were in attendance may want to add to this. I didn't take notes, so I may have left somethings out.
**What is your reaction to Jawara's speech? I will share my assessment of the program later.
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Dr Janneh,
Thanks a bunch for sharing Sir Dawda's Atlanta speech with us. I had wanted to attend his meeting at Miami University, but preoccupation with the arrival of my new baby boy (born Nov. 02) deprived me of that chance.
What else can Sir Dawda prove to the Gambia and Her sons and daughters besides rhetoric? After 30 solid years at the very helm of our nation, Jawara is only claiming that most of the currently finished projects were in the pipeline. Just how long does it take to start those projects from scratch and deliver the finished product? 30 or more years?
The organizers of that meeting would have done the audience a great service had they allowed them to question Jawara about his "mere commentary". If Jawara is truly a human right champion as claimed by him and many others, I think he would have at least proved himself had he stayed and take questions from the audience even if the organizers did not include it in their agenda.
Gambia under Jawara was at no peace. Peace, according to Dr. King," is not just the absence of war; it is the absence of conditions that give rise to war". Implicitly, Jawara is trying to tell us that he wants to be given another chance to rule us (should I say exploit us?). Let us put behind this Jawara saga. Jawara has failed us and does not deserve another chance.
We should embark on concocting ways and means to make our very own Gambia a better place to live - live without fear or hunger - live with dignity, etc. as oppose to inviting Jawara here and there only to tell us what he "deliberately" failed to tell/do for over 30 years. We heard enough of his rhetoric.
The elections are coming (2001?). Please if you can, go home and vote for whoever you think is the right candidate. If you can't go, make sure you support your choice of candidates in any form; it might make a difference. We all owe it to our children and our children's children.
Just my thoughts on Sir Dawda's speech.
Once again, thanks a bunch Dr. Janneh. We will see you at MM's graduation.
God speed!
Pa Mambuna, KY
"Dr. Amadou Janneh" wrote:
> (6) CHARACTER OF CURRENT REGIME
> Mr. Jawara described the current regime as "military in civilian clothes." He said the government in fact became more repressive since its attempted civilianization.
>
> (7) CORRUPTION
> Sir Dawda categorically denied allegations of corruption leveled against his administration by the AFPRC/APRC. He lamented the fact that many who should have known better (e.g. journalists, academics) believed "Jammeh's propaganda" that his government stole millions of dalasi worth of the country's resources.
> He cited the APRC regime's alleged siphoning of a loan from Taiwan to private bank accounts as an example of the massive corruption the country is now experiencing. He noted that AFPRC leaders even rewarded themselves for the "danger" they faced in overthrowing his regime. Jawara added that it took the coup and subsequent amassing of wealth for AFPRC leaders to be able to find wives.
>
> (8) DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER PROJECTS
> The former president claimed that many of the projects touted as successes of the APRC regime were actually initiated by his administration.
> On the construction of schools by the APRC, Sir Dawda explained that there is more to educational development than simply putting up buildings everywhere. He said his administration's achievements are wellknown to the audience.
>
> (9) TRIBALISM
> Sir Dawda expressed dismay at what he considered to be the rise of tribalism in The Gambia and appealed for an end to it. He said this phenomenon was unheard of during his tenure, and he blamed the APRC for its surge.
>
> (10) ATLANTA VISITS COMPARED
> Mr. Jawara noted with satisfaction the differences between his 1995 Atlanta visit and the current reception. He said his first visit was in the wake of the coup, and as is usually the case with such events, there was a great deal of euphoria. Now reality has sunk in, which he said explains the better reception he got this time around.
>
> (11) CALL FOR CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
> Gambian civil servants were challenegd by the former president to engage in civil disobedience as a show of their opposition to the APRC and its "repressive" policies.
> He also urged the Gambian community in Atlanta to contribute toward ending military rule in The Gambia by organizing mass demonstrations (e.g. at the Carter Center) and lobbying influential figures such as former US president Jimmy Carter for support. This way, he added, the Gambian issue could be in the media spotlight.
>
> **G-L members who were in attendance may want to add to this. I didn't take notes, so I may have left somethings out.
>
> **What is your reaction to Jawara's speech? I will share my assessment of the program later.
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Dr Janneh,
<p>Thanks a bunch for sharing Sir Dawda's Atlanta speech with us. I had
wanted to attend his meeting at Miami University, but preoccupation
with the arrival of my new baby boy (born Nov. 02) deprived me of that
chance.
<p>What else can Sir Dawda prove to the Gambia and Her sons and daughters
besides rhetoric? After 30 solid years at the very helm of our nation,
Jawara is only claiming that most of the currently finished projects were
in the pipeline. Just how long does it take to start those projects from
scratch and deliver the finished product? 30 or more years?
<p>The organizers of that meeting would have done the audience a great
service had they allowed them to question Jawara about his "mere commentary".
If Jawara is truly a human right champion as claimed by him and many others,
I think he would have at least proved himself had he stayed and take questions
from the audience even if the organizers did not include it in their agenda.
<p>Gambia under Jawara was at no peace. Peace, according to Dr. King,"
is not just the absence of war; it is the absence of conditions that give
rise to war". Implicitly, Jawara is trying to tell us that he wants to
be given another chance to rule us (should I say exploit us?). Let us put
behind this Jawara saga. Jawara has failed us and does not deserve another
chance.
<p>We should embark on concocting ways and means to make our very own Gambia
a better place to live - live without fear or hunger - live with dignity,
etc. as oppose to inviting Jawara here and there only to tell us what he
"deliberately" failed to tell/do for over 30 years. We heard enough of
his rhetoric.
<p>The elections are coming (2001?). Please if you can, go home and vote
for whoever you think is the right candidate. If you can't go, make sure
you support your choice of candidates in any form; it might make a difference.
We all owe it to our children and our children's children.
<p><i>Just my thoughts on Sir Dawda's speech.</i>
<p>Once again, thanks a bunch Dr. Janneh. We will see you at MM's graduation.
<p>God speed!
<p>Pa Mambuna, KY
<br>
<br>
<p>"Dr. Amadou Janneh" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>(6) CHARACTER OF CURRENT REGIME
<br>Mr. Jawara described the current regime as "military in civilian clothes."
He said the government in fact became more repressive since its attempted
civilianization.
<p>(7) CORRUPTION
<br>Sir Dawda categorically denied allegations of corruption leveled against
his administration by the AFPRC/APRC. He lamented the fact that many
who should have known better (e.g. journalists, academics) believed "Jammeh's
propaganda" that his government stole millions of dalasi worth of the country's
resources.
<br> He cited the APRC regime's alleged siphoning of a loan
from Taiwan to private bank accounts as an example of the massive corruption
the country is now experiencing. He noted that AFPRC leaders even
rewarded themselves for the "danger" they faced in overthrowing his
regime. Jawara added that it took the coup and subsequent amassing
of wealth for AFPRC leaders to be able to find wives.
<p>(8) DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER PROJECTS
<br>The former president claimed that many of the projects touted as successes
of the APRC regime were actually initiated by his administration.
<br> On the construction of schools by the APRC, Sir Dawda explained
that there is more to educational development than simply putting
up buildings everywhere. He said his administration's achievements
are wellknown to the audience.
<p>(9) TRIBALISM
<br>Sir Dawda expressed dismay at what he considered to be the rise of
tribalism in The Gambia and appealed for an end to it. He said this
phenomenon was unheard of during his tenure, and he blamed the APRC for
its surge.
<p>(10) ATLANTA VISITS COMPARED
<br>Mr. Jawara noted with satisfaction the differences between his 1995
Atlanta visit and the current reception. He said his first visit
was in the wake of the coup, and as is usually the case with such events,
there was a great deal of euphoria. Now reality has sunk in, which
he said explains the better reception he got this time around.
<p>(11) CALL FOR CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
<br>Gambian civil servants were challenegd by the former president to engage
in civil disobedience as a show of their opposition to the APRC and its
"repressive" policies.
<br> He also urged the Gambian community in Atlanta to contribute
toward ending military rule in The Gambia by organizing mass demonstrations
(e.g. at the Carter Center) and lobbying influential figures such as former
US president Jimmy Carter for support. This way, he added, the Gambian
issue could be in the media spotlight.
<p>**G-L members who were in attendance may want to add to this.
I didn't take notes, so I may have left somethings out.
<p>**What is your reaction to Jawara's speech? I will share my assessment
of the program later.
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Amadou and Musa,
Thanks to all of you and some of those who had tried to report Jawara's talks
on this forum. Already a few people had mentioned everything that need to be
mentioned.
However, reading between the lines for what the former president had to say
and the reply he gave to Malafy Jarju on his question about returning to
power just stunned me. I thought the guy was doing all of these to work
forward to apologizing to the Gambia as Saul Saidykhan pointed out. It has to
be clear to Jammeh and all those former ministers following him that yes the
Gambians might be disgust with the Jammeh regime, but if they think that they
have unfinished business after 30 years of corrupt and the same HUMAN RIGHT
abuses Jammeh just happen to be better at, I think they are dreaming.
Because of all the discussions at the moment going on the L- for a
reconciliation's, I was refraining myself from joining this discussion until
I read what he replied to Mr. Jarju's question. I would have loved to ask
Jawara if he remembered imprisoning his oppositions for years and denying
them the due process of the court just as Jammeh is doing. And my second
question to him was going to be how he would have felt if he was caught by
the junta and imprisoned for years denying his family visitation rights?
Being a direct victim of that and kidnapping a school boy in the name of
national security during his era is not worse(t) than what Jammeh might be
doing.
I certainly take it just as Musa Jeng pointed out, "He just did not get it."
The guy need to rake a rest and take the advise from Saul to try to write a
memoire so that we could all learn from the mistakes he did.
Ousman Bojang.
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We would like to take this opportunity to extend our solidarity to the family
of Agi Joof. We would like to thank Malanding and Habib for reminding us of
this very sad and important date. It also reminds us of the brutal fact that
Gambian women will not be free as far as they continue to be victims of male
violence.
We salute her and other women throughout the world.
Karamba, Saiks, Omar Drammeh, Basil, Sidibeh, Ebrima Ceesay, and all those
who responded to our posting, we say a big thank you. We especially salute
the guys because we feel they are setting good examples in acknowledging
their sisters' woes by supporting their growth and development.
Ebrima just reminded us about the infamous FGM. Until 10 years ago, no one
dared launch anti-FGM campaigns in the Gambia. Nowadays, women are saying
"no" to being butchered, and "yes" to gaining control of their bodies -- and
their husbands love them just the same (compared to the darks days when women
were ridiculed by their peers for speaking against such practices). Gone are
the days when as Gambian women, we could not open our mouths and express our
feelings...... FGM is among many of our problems that needs to be address but
as we always say the struggle has to continue until victory is achieved.
There cannot
be any development without the full participation of women.
Jabou, we empathize with the women whose husbands treat them like second
class citizens. However, we feel that western education is not the only way
of the Gambian woman gaining her independence. There are women entrepreneurs
back home who work in tailoring, fabric merchandising, etc., and we do not
think they would be treated like that. Let's help our sisters back home with
the resources for self-enhancement, thus raising their self-esteems levels
high enough to take a detour from maltreatment like you described.
One thing we have to realize as human beings, is that men and women are
the two necessary constituents of humanness; the correlatives of human kind;
and that humanity is made up entirely neither of men nor of women. It follows
that all the rights that accrue to men should logically accrue to women.
Reality is radically different, though: The severance of men and women has
distorted the compact unity of humanness and deprived one half of humanity,
i.e., women, of their right to full development and the opportunity to
contribute more meaningfully to society.
Mr. Sidibeh, we anxiously await your commentary as promised. Upon receipt,
we will respond.
Regards,
Awa Sey & Ndey Jobarteh
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Clarification:I meant to say clear to Jawara and his former ministers and not
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Uncle Abdoulie Saine:
Momodou Camara is currently away on holidays in The Gambia. He has a program
with his Internet service that acknowledges receipt of all mails sent to his
E-mail address. He usually writes a message indicating where he went and when
he will be back. I think he mistakenly activated the program without
inserting a message (like when you turn your answering machine on but forget
to record a personal message?) That is why all contributors seem to receive
a blank message EVERY time they send mails to the L.
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Sisters Awa and Ndey
Equality between men and women is not to be compromised or minimized. There are
certain things that women can do that men can't and vice versa.
I am so happy that you have made it clear that some of the bad habits or traits
we men have are from our cultural backgrounds and not Islam as many seem to
think. example the many wives just to please a man's sexual desires versus the
true religious aspects of having a second spouse.
However we must all have tolerance and understanding to bring about good changes
by dialogue in such matters. It is not one way as many want it. It takes two to
tango . Together we will all make our future lives better and more adherent to
the ideal or proper religious teachings of Islam and Christianity by love &
respect for each other - male or female.
Thanks and best regards
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> We would like to take this opportunity to extend our solidarity to the family
> of Agi Joof. We would like to thank Malanding and Habib for reminding us of
> this very sad and important date. It also reminds us of the brutal fact that
> Gambian women will not be free as far as they continue to be victims of male
> violence.
> We salute her and other women throughout the world.
>
> Karamba, Saiks, Omar Drammeh, Basil, Sidibeh, Ebrima Ceesay, and all those
> who responded to our posting, we say a big thank you. We especially salute
> the guys because we feel they are setting good examples in acknowledging
> their sisters' woes by supporting their growth and development.
>
> Ebrima just reminded us about the infamous FGM. Until 10 years ago, no one
> dared launch anti-FGM campaigns in the Gambia. Nowadays, women are saying
> "no" to being butchered, and "yes" to gaining control of their bodies -- and
> their husbands love them just the same (compared to the darks days when women
> were ridiculed by their peers for speaking against such practices). Gone are
> the days when as Gambian women, we could not open our mouths and express our
> feelings...... FGM is among many of our problems that needs to be address but
> as we always say the struggle has to continue until victory is achieved.
> There cannot
> be any development without the full participation of women.
>
> Jabou, we empathize with the women whose husbands treat them like second
> class citizens. However, we feel that western education is not the only way
> of the Gambian woman gaining her independence. There are women entrepreneurs
> back home who work in tailoring, fabric merchandising, etc., and we do not
> think they would be treated like that. Let's help our sisters back home with
> the resources for self-enhancement, thus raising their self-esteems levels
> high enough to take a detour from maltreatment like you described.
>
> One thing we have to realize as human beings, is that men and women are
> the two necessary constituents of humanness; the correlatives of human kind;
> and that humanity is made up entirely neither of men nor of women. It follows
> that all the rights that accrue to men should logically accrue to women.
> Reality is radically different, though: The severance of men and women has
> distorted the compact unity of humanness and deprived one half of humanity,
> i.e., women, of their right to full development and the opportunity to
> contribute more meaningfully to society.
>
> Mr. Sidibeh, we anxiously await your commentary as promised. Upon receipt,
> we will respond.
>
> Regards,
>
> Awa Sey & Ndey Jobarteh
>
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Hi folks,
Following is my Open letter to His Excellency the President, Yahya A.J.J.
Jammeh. I wrote the letter in a bid to set the record straight about what
Gambia-L is all about (at least from my perspective) and to invite President
Jammeh to join and help us make Gambia-L and the Internet even more beneficial
to The Gambia. It is my hope that the letter will, together with current
efforts on Gambia-L, help move us along a path of cooperation, mutual respect,
and a long-lasting, healthy debate.
I faxed the letter to the State House this evening (Thurs., Nov. 18), and sent
copies to The Point, and The Independent newspapers. For some reason, the fax
number for The Daily Observer was not working, so I could not send them a copy.
I will be sending seperate e-mail versions of this to both Foroyaa and Tombong
Saidy (of GRTS) instead of faxing them their copies.
I haven't had time to read all postings that we've received on Gambia-L in the
past few days. With the weekend coming up, I will block-off some time to go
through as many of them as is possible and send in my thoughts on where we
should go with Dr. Saine's initial ideas, and the many excellent ones that were
sent in response to it. I would like to encourage all of us to think hard
about how we can all, despite our differences, dialog in constructive tones,
and work toward an even greater Gambia.
Have a great weekend, and best wishes in your endeavors.
Katim
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Nov. 17, 1999
His Excellency the President, Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh
State House
Banjul
The Gambia
Mr. President,
AN INVITATION TO HELP INCREASE THE BENEFITS OF GAMBIA-L AND THE INTERNET TO THE
GAMBIA:
I am writing to invite you to help increase the benefits of Gambia-L, and the
Internet to The Gambia.
Gambia-L is an electronic discussion forum (sometimes called a mailing list) on
the Internet created in January 1996 for discussing issues related to The
Gambia. It is presently hosted, for free and along with many others, on a
computer at St. John's University in New York, NY, USA. Electronic mail
(e-mail) sent by a subscriber to Gambia-L is automatically distributed to other
subscribers who can, in turn, distribute their replies to that message by
sending them to the list. This way, the almost 600 Gambia-L subscribers from
all corners of the world in effect have online discussions, and exchange
information on various issues of concern to them.
Discussions and announcements on Gambia-L cover a variety of topics ranging
from job and business opportunities, marriages, obituaries, and activities in
Gambian communities around the world. As you can expect, discussions have also
dealt with current and topical issues about The Gambia, and the whole world.
For this reason, many opinions have been expressed about you and your
government on Gambia-L, and the debate continues round the clock, and every
day.
Not all of the postings on Gambia-L flatter you or your government. In the
eyes of some people, Gambia-L is nothing but a forum for what they call
"anti-Jammeh people." I have received suggestions that I for one created
Gambia-L because I oppose your government. While I do not agree with some of
your policies, I did not help start Gambia-L to provide a forum for your
critics. Gambia-L is in fact a result of my efforts that started as far back as
1993 seeking help setting up a mailing list to discuss Gambian issues, and
assistance in connecting The Gambia to the Internet. My interest in seeing The
Gambia take her rightful place in the global Internet community also prompted
me to write a two-part article about the Internet that I made available, for
free, to "The Daily Observer" newspaper in The Gambia. The article was
published around April 1994, well before most people had even HEARD of the
Internet, and certainly before you came to power.
Following your overthrow of the Jawara government, I started using one of my
e-mail accounts in early in August 1994 to discuss developments in The Gambia
with few of my friends. This system was semi-automated, but the number of
people participating in the discussions continued to grow. We were finally
able, in January 1996, to find a more convenient host for the list at the
University of Washington (UW), Seattle, Washington, USA. We named the list
Gambia-L, and still kept it's objective as a forum for the discussion of The
Gambia and related issues.
UW hosted Gambia-L until last May when we were forced to find a new host. The
reason we needed a new host for Gambia-L was that a number of Gambian
subscribers to the list started threatening a Gambian employee of UW who
sponsored the list there. Those who threatened the Gambia-L sponsor did so
because they were dissatisfied with discussions on Gambia-L, especially the
many postings on the list that were critical of you and your government.
Fortunately, I was able to get St. John's University to agree to host Gambia-L,
and we successfully migrated the list to its new host without serious
interruptions in service. The move to St. John's University has been a
blessing in disguise for the simple reason that postings to Gambia-L are now
archived on the Web at http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html and
accessible to Internet users anywhere in the world.
Gambia-L continues to be managed by a number of volunteers, including me, who
are responsible for approving requests for subscriptions, and handling other
administrative details. Subscription to Gambia-L is open to everyone, except
for the case of one previous member who was expelled because of his rudeness,
and insults to people on the list. All postings to the list are automatically
distributed, without the intervention of any of the managers. This arrangement
is different from what obtains on other lists, called moderated lists, where
list managers have to approve postings sent for distribution.
The fact that Gambia-L managers do not intervene in the distribution of
postings to the list, coupled with the free and open nature of subscriptions
means that Gambia-L could not possibly be aimed at providing a forum for people
to thrash your administration. While it might be true that most postings are
critical, rather than supportive of your government and policies, this is only
because your supporters and/or government officials have failed to respond to
the criticisms of your government on Gambia-L.
For example, in the past few weeks, there have been postings suggesting that
your government has a list of Gambians overseas who are black-listed and being
watched-for at border crossings by your immigration officials. Another posting
mentioned that some Gambians were having their passports seized when they
submit them for renewal because they are deemed opponents of your government.
I was, to say the least, disappointed that only one government official,
Tombong Saidy, of the Gambia Radio and Television Service responded to these
postings. It would help a great deal if other government departments and
agencies would get more involved in the dialogue on Gambia-L to help set the
record straight, and dispel rumors.
It is my strong opinion that contrary to what some of your supporters are
saying, Gambia-L and those who criticize you on it are valuable resources to
The Gambia government. As you know, Gambians are susceptible to telling people
what they want to hear and not necessarily the truth. This, in my humble
opinion, was the reason that former President Jawara was blind to obvious
shortcomings in his government, and ultimately paid the price with his
downfall. For this reason, I suggest that rather than dismiss Gambia-L as a
forum for your opponents, you should use it as a source of valuable information
and advice you will never get from those in your inner circle more interested
in self-preservation than what is best for our country.
May I mention that the importance of getting sound, truthful feedback has been
demonstrated amply in history. You will recall that the late Shah of Iran,
Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia, General Mobutu Sesse Seko of the former
Zaire, and Samuel Doe of Liberia, to name a few, all died in disgrace and/or
violently after being overthrown from seemingly unending dictatorships. The
one lesson each of these people failed to learn was that the greatest insurance
against a shameful end to power is to give the truth a chance to be heard.
And, Sir, if you think for one second that you are the exception to this rule,
you should think again.
I would like to reaffirm my commitment to the idea that Gambians all over the
world have a right, like anyone else, to exchange information and ideas with
each other. For this reason, I would like to see Gambia-L used as one of the
many tools that the Internet has provided people around the world to enhance
communication, and increase understanding. We would be foolish to use
something that continues to unite people the world over to divide us, and set
us further back in our quest for national prosperity.
In this regard, I am pleased to inform you that there has been an increased
interest in Gambia-L subscribers to start a dialog between various Gambian
interest groups the world over. In particular, a recent Gambia-L posting from
Dr. Abdoulaye Saine of Miami University of Ohio in the United States has been
received with enthusiasm by many subscribers who are ready to work toward our
common good. I invite, and strongly encourage you to join us in charting a
course of action to increase understanding, and foster a healthy debate among
us.
Toward this end, I would like to offer some suggestions about how we can make
Gambia-L, and the Internet even more beneficial to The Gambia. First, I would
like to suggest that Gambia-government Departments and agencies either
subscribe to the list, or make sure that they have a system in place for making
sure that they receive all discussions that relate to them. The Gambia already
has Internet connectivity, and I see no reason why there should not be an
effort to ensure that every government Department has at least one
Internet-enabled computer.
Second, I would like to suggest that every Gambia government Department set up
a Website. This effort should be coordinated to produce Websites that are
informative, engaging and of consistent quality. Such Websites will be a
valuable link between the Gambia government Departments and Internet users all
over the world. Furthermore, the huge and increasing numbers of worldwide
Internet users means that developing an Internet-presence strategy for the
Gambia government will be a valuable investment for many years to come. I am
willing to offer any help I can in this regard, as I'm sure many Gambians the
world over will be willing to given the chance.
In conclusion, I would like to say that it is my sincere hope that the appeals
for reconciliation and healthy debate on Gambia-L will be heard, acted on, and
that we work to make the forum and the Internet a valuable resource to our
nation. To paraphrase a Wollof saying, "you should dance when God claps for
you." It is my belief, Mr. President, that we've started dancing to a tune of
cooperation on Gambia-L, and I invite you to join and help us use the medium to
improve the welfare of the Gambian people.
Thank you very much for your consideration, and I wish you all the best in your
endeavors.
Sincerely,
(signed)
Katim S. Touray, Ph.D.
Madison, WI
U. S. A
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Is this Mr Camara well, He wrote a message like that to me and I reponded by
asking him why, He continue doing the same on and on.
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EDI LK SIDIBEH NAAKANTIE 2C9
DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS & ADMINISTRATION 48320 KOTKA
KYMENLAAKSO POLYTECHNIQUE
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PEACETO EVERYONE ON EARTH.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, Abdoulaye Saine wrote:
> Mr. Camara:
> I am unable to receive the messages you send. All that appears when I
> open your mail is your address and no message. I have also sent you
> several private messages telling you about it. Maybe, you could try the
> public forum since you seem to be responding to my earlier postings.
> Thanks!
>
> Abdoulaye
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it is rather an ironic wit that Jawara should hoot about term limitation and
that " so called constitution" when for three decades it escaped his
democratic scope. perhaps this statement of Jawara's says a lot more about
those decades of democratic deference than anything he has uttered so far. As
Saul puts he still doesn't get it; we want to move on and that's without him
or Jammeh. PLEASE.
Hamjatta Kanteh
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Subject: SHAVING THE BABY'S HEAD-Reply to Soffie
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Assalaamu alikum Sister Soffie. Alhamdulillah and below is a =
comprehensive answer excerpted from an excellent book on the subject. =
May Allah illuminate our hearts with knowledge. I'm a bit tied up these =
days, but inshaAllah I will do my best to dig up rulings by scholars on =
the question of Muslim women's traveling. May Allah reward you and =
sister Jabou for raising these pertinent questions.
Manners of Welcoming the New Born Child in Islaam
By Yoosef ibn Abdullaah al-Arafee
Translated by Aboo Talhah Daawood ibn Ronald Burbank=20
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=A9 All rights reserved. This is an internet edition of the soft cover =
book with the name same name (it is only a partial rendering of the =
entire book). Readers are encouraged to purchase the whole book from =
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SHAVING THE BABY'S HEAD.=20
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List of Topics
a.. Manners to be observed when shaving the head=20
b.. Does it apply to both males and females?=20
c.. The place of shaving=20
d.. The time of giving charity=20
e.. Is charity to be given in gold or silver?=20
f.. How can this charity be given at present?=20
From the prescribed manners of welcoming the new-born child is to shave =
the head on the seventh day after the birth - i.e. on the day when the =
'Aqeeqah is sacrificed. This is due to the saying of the chosen =
Messenger Muhammad: <Every child is held in pledge for its 'Aqeeqah =
which is sacrificed for him on his seventh day, and he is named on it, =
and his head is shaved.>1
(A) Manners to be Observed when Shaving the Head
The following manners must be observed when shaving the child's head:
(1) The right side of the head should be shaved first - then the other =
side. This is the Sunnah for shaving the head in general due to the =
hadeeth of Anas ibn Maalik that Allah's Messenger said to the barbers =
who shaved his head in Minaa: "<Take/Shave> and he indicated the right =
side of his head and then the left." and in another wording after he had =
shave the right side, he said to him: <Shave the other side>.2
(2) The new-born child's hair is shaved when that is possible - but if =
the child is born without hair, or there is so little hair that it =
cannot really be shaved - then it is not shaved, and with regard to the =
first case, then there is no need to merely pass the razor over his =
head.
(3) One may not shave a part of the child's head and leave another part =
since this is 'al-Qaz' which was forbidden by the beloved Prophet =
Muhammad (peace be upon him).3
(4) When the hair has been shaved and weighed it may be buried in the =
earth since it has been reported in some narrations4 - just as it is =
allowed to put it in any place without specification.=20
(B) Does Shaving Apply to both Males and Females?=20
*The Preferred View
Perhaps the second saying which holds that it applies to both males and =
females is more correct and stronger due to the following three points:
First: He said: <When it is the child's seventh day, then spill blood =
for him, remove the harm from him and name him>5 and in another hadeeth =
that he: "Ordered that the child be named on the seventh day, the harm =
removed and 'Aqeeqah be performed."6
So there two hadeeth are a proof that the shaving is general to both =
male and female children since the word (mawlood) - '(new-born) child' =
is a word used to refer to both males and females, and the harm =
mentioned in the hadeeth is the hair as has preceded.=20
So this is the meaning that is to be understood from the ahaadeeth which =
occur with the word: 'al-ghulaam' (boy/child) - such as the hadeeth of =
Samurah: <Every child (ghulaam) ... >, since some of the scholars =
mention that what is meant by 'ghulaam' is any child whether male or =
female .7
As San'aanee adds: "And what is apparent from it is that the shaving of =
the head applies to both boys and girls."8=20
Therefore, we say that the mention of the word for boy in the hadeeth =
was not meant to be restricted and particular to boys as is shown by the =
fact that both males and females share in the other matters mentioned in =
the same hadeeth, i.e. the naming and the 'Aqeeqah - so likewise both =
share in the shaving.
Secondly: From Ja'far ibn Muhammad: from his father ('Alee ibn alHusayn) =
who said: "Faatimah weighed the hair of Hasan, Husayn and Zaynab and Umm =
Kulthoom and gave its weight in silver in charity."9
And its chain of narration is broken (munqati). It is reported in =
another narration - which does not mention Zaynab or Umm Kulthoom - =
"that she weighed the hair of al-Hasan and al-Husayn and gave its weight =
in silver to charity."10
So the first narration contains an addition which is the mention of =
Zaynab and Umm Kulthoom, however, its meaning is witnessed to by what is =
established from the prescription of shaving the hair of the girl in the =
ahaadeeth of the first point. So this addition is to be accepted since =
it does not bring any new and extra ruling, and Allah knows best.
As is obvious Faatimah's - radiyallaahu'anhaa - weighing of the hair of =
her daughters was not possible except after shaving it, and a further =
indication that she did indeed shave their hair is what can be =
understood from the general word 'children' in the narration reported by =
Ibn Abee Shaibah: "That she used to perform 'Aqeeqah for her children on =
the seventh day, name them, circumcise them, shave their head, and give =
its weight in silver to charity."11
However, since we cannot definitely state that these narrations are =
strong with regard to their chains of narration - then we say that they =
are secondary evidences and that the primary proof is the first evidence =
where the general term applying to both males and females is used, i.e. =
(child: mawlood), along with what follows:
Second: In addition to this the Messenger (peace be upon him) ordered =
that harm be removed from the child and this harm - as has preceded - is =
the hair upon the head and the traces of birth upon it. The removal of =
this hair is due to the reason that it is harmful, so how can it be, =
this being the case that is to be removed from the male but not the =
female! The benefit is medical - as seen from the hadeeth, and social - =
as will follow - and this will be the same for both boys and girls.
So perhaps these three matters together support each other and =
strengthen one another - so that the ruling is strengthened and shaving =
is seen to be a Sunnah applying to any new-born child whether male or =
female. And Allah knows best what is correct.=20
(C) The Place of Shaving in the Order of the Actions on the Seventh Day.
We know that shaving the hair is one of the actions of the seventh day =
and here we will mention that it is recommended that it be done after =
sacrificing the 'Aqeeqah on that day. There occurs in the hadeeth of =
'Aa.ishah - radiyallaahu'anhaa -:"Allah's Messenger performed the =
'Aqeeqah of al-Hasan and al-Husayn on the seventh day, and he named =
them, and ordered that the harm be removed from their heads."12
So this indicates that the sacrifice is to be done before the shaving of =
the head, since the shaving is attached to the 'Aqeeqah and was ordered =
to be done after the 'Aqeeqah was performed. This is also indicated by =
what is mentioned in some narrations of the hadeeth of Samurah: =
<Sacrifice is made for him on the seventh day, then his head is shaved.> =
It is reported by Abush-Shaikh13=20
This is the view held by al-Baghawee and declared to be correct by =
an-Nawawee in 'al-Majmoo'.
(D) The Time of Giving Charity
After shaving off the hair of the child it is Sunnah to give the value =
of the weight of the hair in silver, as charity. However, is this =
another action to be done on the seventh day., The time for giving the =
charity has been mentioned in the hadeeth of Anas: "That Allah's =
Messenger (peace be upon him) ordered that the heads of al-Hasan and =
al-Husayn be shaved on their seventh day, then charity was given with =
its weight in silver, and he did not find a sacrifice."14
And there is also a report from Faatimah that she shaved the hair of her =
son on the seventh day and gave the charity on it.15=20
So this is what is recommended, but it is a matter in which there is =
allowance and ease - if Allah - the Most High - wills.
(E) Is Charity to be Given in Gold or Silver?
What is established in the authentic ahaadeeth is that it is to be =
silver. Ibn Hajr said: "All the narrations are agreed in mentioning =
giving charity with silver, and none of them contain a mention of =
gold."16
And giving charity in gold is not reported - as far as I know - except =
in the previous hadeeth of Ibn 'Abbaas in which there occurs: "And he =
should give its weight in charity - in either gold or silver." However, =
it is weak as has preceded. Therefore, what is better is to stick to =
what is confirmed in the authentic Sunnah - that charity be given with =
the weight of his hair in silver. But if he were to give the charity in =
gold, then it would not harm since it is reported from a group of the =
Salaf. But silver is better for two reasons:
(i) It is what is established in the many authentic ahaadeeth as has =
preceded.
(ii) That giving silver in charity is easily managed by any person - as =
opposed to gold which is more expensive, and this can be seen clearly in =
the following point:
(F) How can this Charity be Given at Present.
In the time of the Messenger (peace be upon him) and after him, silver =
used to be a common form of currency - like gold, when they shaved the =
hair they weighed it against silver - and then gave this weight in =
charity - as done by Faatimah - radiyallaahu'anhaa. However, today, =
people use paper money (riyals in Saudi Arabia) and other currencis =
which are prevalent today instead ofsilver.17=20
So we need to know the amount of charity to be given today, and this =
will be made clear in the following:
* What we should do is to work out the value of the appropriate amount =
of silver in modern currency. That is done by weighing the hair in grams =
then finding out the current value of that amount of silver.
The result will then be the amount of charity that is to be given.=20
* An example: For hair which weighs 2.5 grams, i.e. approximately one =
dirham. We multiply this by the price of a gram of silver - which is not =
fixed - let us say that it is two saudi riyals. Then the amount of =
charity to be given will be 2.5 x 2 =3D 5 riyals (approx. 85p sterling) =
and this is an amount of charity which will be easy for every Muslim - =
rich or poor.
However, if this were measured in gold, it would be harder since a gram =
of gold may cost about 50 riyals or more (approx. (8.50) - so upon our =
example the amount of charity to be given if it were given in gold would =
be 2.5 x 50 riyals =3D 125 riyals (approx. 22)
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Footnote
1. Reported by Ahmad, Aboo Dawood [E.T. 2/798/No. 2832] and others and =
it is 'saheeh'
2. Reported by Muslim [E.T. 2/656/Nos. 2991 & 2993]
3. Reported by al-Bukhaaree: [E.T. 7/5261No. 803]=20
4. It is reported by Ibn Sa'd in his 'Tabaqaat' (1/136 & 137) and Ibn =
'Abdul-Barr mentions in 'al-lstee'aab (1141,42) that the Messenger did =
that with the hair of his son Ibraaheem, and Ibn Abee Shaibah reports =
some narrations about this from Mujaahid and Ibn Seereen (5/241), and =
see 'al-Majmoo' (1/290)
5. Reported by at-Tabaraanee in 'al-Awsat' and declared 'hasan' by Ibn =
Hajr
6. Reported by at-Tirmidhee (2989) and is 'hasan': al-lrwaa 4/399-400
7. 'Fathul-Malikil-Ma'bood' of al-Ameen Khitaab, 3/85
8. Subulus-Salaam: 4/131
9. Reported by Maalik [E.T. Na. 1042], Aboo Dawood in'al-Maraaseel' (No. =
380) and alBaihaqee (9/304) and its chain of narration is'munqati' =
(broken). However, its meaning is witnessed to by the hadeeth quoted =
after it, and the first proof - together with the third point about it
10. Reported by al-Baihaqee (9i304) and its chain is also broken =
(munqai') and it is declared 'hasan' due to its supports by al-Arnawoot =
... see his notes on 'Jaami'ul-Usool' (7/505)
12. Reported by al-t-laakim (4/237) who declared it 'saheeh' and =
adh'Dhahabee agreed, and Ibn Hajr declares it 'saheeh' in 'al-Fath' =
(9/589) and it is a part of a hadeeth reported by alBaihaqee (9/304) =
which has preceded
13. 'Tarhut-Tathreeb' : 5/213
14. Reported by at-Tabaraanee in 'al-Kabeer' and 'al-Awsat' and its =
chain of narration contains Ibn Lahee'ah who is weak and al-Haithumee =
says (4/57):'lts isnaad is 'hasan' and the rest of its narrators are =
those of the 'saheeh'
15. Reported by al-Baihaqee (9/304) with broken chain - declared 'hasan' =
by al-Arnawoot due to its supports: Jaami'ul-Usool' (7/505)
16. 'at-Talkeesul-Habeer' 4/163
17. In principle one should give silver in charity, however, a poor =
person today will perhaps not benefit from it if he receives it since it =
is no longer counted as common currency as used to be the case
g.. Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
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<P><FONT size=3D+1>List of Topics</FONT></P>
<LI><FONT size=3D+1><A=20
href=3D"http://www.uh.edu/campus/msa/articles/new/obser">Manners to be =
observed=20
when shaving the head</A></FONT>=20
<LI><FONT size=3D+1><A=20
href=3D"http://www.uh.edu/campus/msa/articles/new/shave.html#both">Does =
it apply=20
to both males and females?</A></FONT>=20
<LI><FONT size=3D+1><A=20
href=3D"http://www.uh.edu/campus/msa/articles/new/shave.html#time">The =
place of=20
shaving</A></FONT>=20
<LI><FONT size=3D+1><A=20
href=3D"http://www.uh.edu/campus/msa/articles/new/shave.html#charity">The=
time of=20
giving charity</A></FONT>=20
<LI><FONT size=3D+1><A =
href=3D"http://www.uh.edu/campus/msa/articles/new/gold">Is=20
charity to be given in gold or silver?</A></FONT>=20
<LI><FONT size=3D+1><A =
href=3D"http://www.uh.edu/campus/msa/articles/new/how">How=20
can this charity be given at present?</A></FONT>=20
<P>From the prescribed manners of welcoming the new-born child is to =
shave the=20
head on the seventh day after the birth - i.e. on the day when the =
'Aqeeqah is=20
sacrificed. This is due to the saying of the chosen Messenger Muhammad:=20
<Every child is held in pledge for its 'Aqeeqah which is sacrificed =
for him=20
on his seventh day, and he is named on it, and his head is=20
shaved.><SUP>1</SUP><BR></P>
<P><BR><A name=3Dobser></A><B>(A) Manners to be Observed when Shaving =
the=20
Head</B><BR></P>
<P>The following manners must be observed when shaving the child's =
head:<BR></P>
<P><B>(1)</B> The right side of the head should be shaved first - then =
the other=20
side. This is the Sunnah for shaving the head in general due to the =
hadeeth of=20
Anas ibn Maalik that Allah's Messenger said to the barbers who shaved =
his head=20
in Minaa: "<Take/Shave> and he indicated the right side of his =
head and=20
then the left." and in another wording after he had shave the right =
side, he=20
said to him: <Shave the other side>.<SUP>2</SUP><BR></P>
<P><B>(2)</B> The new-born child's hair is shaved when that is possible =
- but if=20
the child is born without hair, or there is so little hair that it =
cannot really=20
be shaved - then it is not shaved, and with regard to the first case, =
then there=20
is no need to merely pass the razor over his head.<BR></P>
<P><B>(3)</B> One may not shave a part of the child's head and leave =
another=20
part since this is 'al-Qaz' which was forbidden by the beloved Prophet =
Muhammad=20
(peace be upon him).<SUP>3</SUP><BR></P>
<P><B>(4) </B>When the hair has been shaved and weighed it may be buried =
in the=20
earth since it has been reported in some narrations<SUP>4</SUP> - just =
as it is=20
allowed to put it in any place without specification. <BR></P>
<P><A name=3Dboth></A><B>(B) Does Shaving Apply to both Males and =
Females?=20
</B><BR><BR></P>
<P><B>*The Preferred View</B><BR></P>
<P>Perhaps the second saying which holds that it applies to both males =
and=20
females is more correct and stronger due to the following three =
points:<BR></P>
<P><B>First:</B> He said: <When it is the child's seventh day, then =
spill=20
blood for him, remove the harm from him and name him><SUP>5 </SUP>and =
in=20
another hadeeth that he: "Ordered that the child be named on the seventh =
day,=20
the harm removed and 'Aqeeqah be performed."<SUP>6</SUP><BR></P>
<P>So there two hadeeth are a proof that the shaving is general to both =
male and=20
female children since the word (mawlood) - '(new-born) child' is a word =
used to=20
refer to both males and females, and the harm mentioned in the hadeeth =
is the=20
hair as has preceded. <BR></P>
<P>So this is the meaning that is to be understood from the ahaadeeth =
which=20
occur with the word: 'al-ghulaam' (boy/child) - such as the hadeeth of =
Samurah:=20
<Every child (ghulaam) ... >, since some of the scholars mention =
that what=20
is meant by 'ghulaam' is any child whether male or female =
.<SUP>7</SUP><BR></P>
<P>As San'aanee adds: "And what is apparent from it is that the shaving =
of the=20
head applies to both boys and girls."<SUP>8 </SUP><BR></P>
<P>Therefore, we say that the mention of the word for boy in the hadeeth =
was not=20
meant to be restricted and particular to boys as is shown by the fact =
that both=20
males and females share in the other matters mentioned in the same =
hadeeth, i.e.=20
the naming and the 'Aqeeqah - so likewise both share in the =
shaving.<BR></P>
<P><B>Secondly: </B>From Ja'far ibn Muhammad: from his father ('Alee ibn =
alHusayn) who said: "Faatimah weighed the hair of Hasan, Husayn and =
Zaynab and=20
Umm Kulthoom and gave its weight in silver in =
charity."<SUP>9</SUP><BR></P>
<P>And its chain of narration is broken (munqati). It is reported in =
another=20
narration - which does not mention Zaynab or Umm Kulthoom - "that she =
weighed=20
the hair of al-Hasan and al-Husayn and gave its weight in silver to=20
charity."<SUP>10</SUP><BR></P>
<P>So the first narration contains an addition which is the mention of =
Zaynab=20
and Umm Kulthoom, however, its meaning is witnessed to by what is =
established=20
from the prescription of shaving the hair of the girl in the ahaadeeth =
of the=20
first point. So this addition is to be accepted since it does not bring =
any new=20
and extra ruling, and Allah knows best.<BR></P>
<P>As is obvious Faatimah's - radiyallaahu'anhaa - weighing of the hair =
of her=20
daughters was not possible except after shaving it, and a further =
indication=20
that she did indeed shave their hair is what can be understood from the =
general=20
word 'children' in the narration reported by Ibn Abee Shaibah: "That she =
used to=20
perform 'Aqeeqah for her children on the seventh day, name them, =
circumcise=20
them, shave their head, and give its weight in silver to=20
charity."<SUP>11</SUP><BR></P>
<P>However, since we cannot definitely state that these narrations are =
strong=20
with regard to their chains of narration - then we say that they are =
secondary=20
evidences and that the primary proof is the first evidence where the =
general=20
term applying to both males and females is used, i.e. (child: mawlood), =
along=20
with what follows:<BR></P>
<P><B>Second:</B> In addition to this the Messenger (peace be upon him) =
ordered=20
that harm be removed from the child and this harm - as has preceded - is =
the=20
hair upon the head and the traces of birth upon it. The removal of this =
hair is=20
due to the reason that it is harmful, so how can it be, this being the =
case that=20
is to be removed from the male but not the female! The benefit is =
medical - as=20
seen from the hadeeth, and social - as will follow - and this will be =
the same=20
for both boys and girls.<BR></P>
<P>So perhaps these three matters together support each other and =
strengthen one=20
another - so that the ruling is strengthened and shaving is seen to be a =
Sunnah=20
applying to any new-born child whether male or female. And Allah knows =
best what=20
is correct. <BR></P>
<P><A name=3Dtime></A><B>(C) The Place of Shaving in the Order of the =
Actions on=20
the Seventh Day.</B><BR></P>
<P>We know that shaving the hair is one of the actions of the seventh =
day and=20
here we will mention that it is recommended that it be done after =
sacrificing=20
the 'Aqeeqah on that day. There occurs in the hadeeth of 'Aa.ishah -=20
radiyallaahu'anhaa -:"Allah's Messenger performed the 'Aqeeqah of =
al-Hasan and=20
al-Husayn on the seventh day, and he named them, and ordered that the =
harm be=20
removed from their heads."<SUP>12</SUP><BR></P>
<P>So this indicates that the sacrifice is to be done before the shaving =
of the=20
head, since the shaving is attached to the 'Aqeeqah and was ordered to =
be done=20
after the 'Aqeeqah was performed. This is also indicated by what is =
mentioned in=20
some narrations of the hadeeth of Samurah: <Sacrifice is made for him =
on the=20
seventh day, then his head is shaved.> It is reported by =
Abush-Shaikh<SUP>13=20
</SUP><BR></P>
<P>This is the view held by al-Baghawee and declared to be correct by =
an-Nawawee=20
in 'al-Majmoo'.<BR></P>
<P><A name=3Dcharity></A><B>(D) The Time of Giving Charity</B><BR></P>
<P>After shaving off the hair of the child it is Sunnah to give the =
value of the=20
weight of the hair in silver, as charity. However, is this another =
action to be=20
done on the seventh day., The time for giving the charity has been =
mentioned in=20
the hadeeth of Anas: "That Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) ordered =
that=20
the heads of al-Hasan and al-Husayn be shaved on their seventh day, then =
charity=20
was given with its weight in silver, and he did not find a=20
sacrifice."<SUP>14</SUP><BR></P>
<P>And there is also a report from Faatimah that she shaved the hair of =
her son=20
on the seventh day and gave the charity on it.<SUP>15 </SUP><BR></P>
<P>So this is what is recommended, but it is a matter in which there is=20
allowance and ease - if Allah - the Most High - wills.<BR></P>
<P><A name=3Dgold></A><B>(E) Is Charity to be Given in Gold or =
Silver?</B><BR></P>
<P>What is established in the authentic ahaadeeth is that it is to be =
silver.=20
Ibn Hajr said: "All the narrations are agreed in mentioning giving =
charity with=20
silver, and none of them contain a mention of =
gold."<SUP>16</SUP><BR></P>
<P>And giving charity in gold is not reported - as far as I know - =
except in the=20
previous hadeeth of Ibn 'Abbaas in which there occurs: "And he should =
give its=20
weight in charity - in either gold or silver." However, it is weak as =
has=20
preceded. Therefore, what is better is to stick to what is confirmed in =
the=20
authentic Sunnah - that charity be given with the weight of his hair in =
silver.=20
But if he were to give the charity in gold, then it would not harm since =
it is=20
reported from a group of the Salaf. But silver is better for two=20
reasons:<BR></P>
<P><B>(i)</B> It is what is established in the many authentic ahaadeeth =
as has=20
preceded.<BR></P>
<P><B>(ii)</B> That giving silver in charity is easily managed by any =
person -=20
as opposed to gold which is more expensive, and this can be seen clearly =
in the=20
following point:<BR></P>
<P><A name=3Dhow></A><B>(F) How can this Charity be Given at =
Present.</B><BR></P>
<P>In the time of the Messenger (peace be upon him) and after him, =
silver used=20
to be a common form of currency - like gold, when they shaved the hair =
they=20
weighed it against silver - and then gave this weight in charity - as =
done by=20
Faatimah - radiyallaahu'anhaa. However, today, people use paper money =
(riyals in=20
Saudi Arabia) and other currencis which are prevalent today instead=20
ofsilver.<SUP>17 </SUP><BR></P>
<P>So we need to know the amount of charity to be given today, and this =
will be=20
made clear in the following:<BR></P>
<P>* What we should do is to work out the value of the appropriate =
amount of=20
silver in modern currency. That is done by weighing the hair in grams =
then=20
finding out the current value of that amount of silver.<BR></P>
<P>The result will then be the amount of charity that is to be given. =
<BR></P>
<P>* An example: For hair which weighs 2.5 grams, i.e. approximately one =
dirham.=20
We multiply this by the price of a gram of silver - which is not fixed - =
let us=20
say that it is two saudi riyals. Then the amount of charity to be given =
will be=20
2.5 x 2 =3D 5 riyals (approx. 85p sterling) and this is an amount of =
charity which=20
will be easy for every Muslim - rich or poor.<BR></P>
<P>However, if this were measured in gold, it would be harder since a =
gram of=20
gold may cost about 50 riyals or more (approx. (8.50) - so upon our =
example the=20
amount of charity to be given if it were given in gold would be 2.5 x 50 =
riyals=20
=3D 125 riyals (approx. 22)<BR>
<HR>
<P></P>
<P><B>Footnote</B><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>1. Reported by Ahmad, Aboo Dawood [E.T. 2/798/No. =
2832] and=20
others and it is 'saheeh'</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>2. Reported by Muslim [E.T. 2/656/Nos. 2991 &=20
2993]</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>3. Reported by al-Bukhaaree: [E.T. 7/5261No. 803]=20
</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>4. It is reported by Ibn Sa'd in his 'Tabaqaat' =
(1/136 &=20
137) and Ibn 'Abdul-Barr mentions in 'al-lstee'aab (1141,42) that the =
Messenger=20
did that with the hair of his son Ibraaheem, and Ibn Abee Shaibah =
reports some=20
narrations about this from Mujaahid and Ibn Seereen (5/241), and see =
'al-Majmoo'=20
(1/290)</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>5. Reported by at-Tabaraanee in 'al-Awsat' and =
declared 'hasan'=20
by Ibn Hajr</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>6. Reported by at-Tirmidhee (2989) and is 'hasan': =
al-lrwaa=20
4/399-400</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>7. 'Fathul-Malikil-Ma'bood' of al-Ameen Khitaab,=20
3/85</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>8. Subulus-Salaam: 4/131</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>9. Reported by Maalik [E.T. Na. 1042], Aboo Dawood=20
in'al-Maraaseel' (No. 380) and alBaihaqee (9/304) and its chain of =
narration=20
is'munqati' (broken). However, its meaning is witnessed to by the =
hadeeth quoted=20
after it, and the first proof - together with the third point about=20
it</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>10. Reported by al-Baihaqee (9i304) and its chain is =
also=20
broken (munqai') and it is declared 'hasan' due to its supports by =
al-Arnawoot=20
... see his notes on 'Jaami'ul-Usool' (7/505)</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>12. Reported by al-t-laakim (4/237) who declared it =
'saheeh'=20
and adh'Dhahabee agreed, and Ibn Hajr declares it 'saheeh' in 'al-Fath' =
(9/589)=20
and it is a part of a hadeeth reported by alBaihaqee (9/304) which has=20
preceded</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>13. 'Tarhut-Tathreeb' : 5/213</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>14. Reported by at-Tabaraanee in 'al-Kabeer' and =
'al-Awsat' and=20
its chain of narration contains Ibn Lahee'ah who is weak and =
al-Haithumee says=20
(4/57):'lts isnaad is 'hasan' and the rest of its narrators are those of =
the=20
'saheeh'</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>15. Reported by al-Baihaqee (9/304) with broken chain =
-=20
declared 'hasan' by al-Arnawoot due to its supports: Jaami'ul-Usool'=20
(7/505)</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>16. 'at-Talkeesul-Habeer' 4/163</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT size=3D-1>17. In principle one should give silver in charity, =
however, a=20
poor person today will perhaps not benefit from it if he receives it =
since it is=20
no longer counted as common currency as used to be the=20
case</FONT><BR></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT></LI>
<LI><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Allahumma salli wasallim alaa =
Nabiyyina=20
Muhammad. Wasalaam.<BR>Modou Mbye</FONT></LI></BODY></HTML>
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<< Jabou, we empathize with the women whose husbands treat them like second
class citizens. However, we feel that western education is not the only way
of the Gambian woman gaining her independence. There are women entrepreneurs
back home who work in tailoring, fabric merchandising, etc., and we do not
think they would be treated like that. Let's help our sisters back home with
the resources for self-enhancement, thus raising their self-esteems levels
high enough to take a detour from maltreatment like you described.
>>
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Awa & Ndey,
Again thanks for this timely posting. However, l feel l must say here that l
do not think l mentioned anything in my comment that implied that western
education was the only way for Gambian women to gain their independence, and
your comment here tends to imply that l said as much. l just mentioned the
problem of the lack of respect for some of our sisters, demonstrated by their
husbands, in that they do not discuss anything of significance with them at
all, or even sit down to share a meal with them. Instead, they are relegated
to order takers. l mentioned that they do not even sit down to eat with the
wife, again giving the implication that they do not consider this individual
an equal both in the partnership, as well as in intelligence. All these
things have absolutely nothing to do with western education being needed to
emancipate our sisters.
Yes, there are many of our sisters who are engaged in entrepreneurial
ventures that certainly give them the financial freedom, so that they do not
have to feel the financial dependency that forces many a woman who are
subjected to maltreatment by their spouses from speaking out. However, l
think that to assume that the fact that these sisters are finacially able to
support themselves has resulted in their total emancipation from male
domination is quite a simplistic conclusion. While attaining financial
independence is certainly a good point to start from, there are still many
battles for us as women to fight.One can have all the money one needs so they
do not have to be dependent, but perhaps the only other solution for this
woman, when faced with an abusive, disrespectful or inconsiderate spouse
would be to pack her bags and leave, which only serves as a temporary
solution. l think what we must aspire to is a solution that will implement a
change within that will ultimately take care of every aspect of how we are
viewed in the society, as an integral part of it, able to contribute as much
as anyone else. As you pointed out in your posting:
"There cannot be any development without the full participation of women"
The recognition that women are an integral part of the development of any
nation has to start with our men gaining an understanding that we have
opinions, ideas and the intelligence to contribute much. This in turn will
only come about when we begin to see each other as equals, by interacting as
equals, talking to each other, and where better to start than having a one
on one interactions like sharing a meal. This was the basis of my comment
about "not even sitting down to a meal with one's spouse".
Now, then, the question is, how do we begin to help each other as women to
gain not only the financial independence, but to face the overall challenge
of being treated as just normal human beings with abilities to make
staggering contributions?
l am open to any ideas.
Jabou Joh
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Very well said Katim. Now, the ball is in their court. This certainly
provides a chance to set up a forum for discussion, cooperation and
harnessing the potential of the internet to help our nation move forward. If
our governent is truely interested in moving us forward as a nation, and with
the cooperation of all of Gambia's citizens which is absolutely essential for
any government to succeed, then they will rise to the challenge and
invitation.
Jabou Joh
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Hi folks,
Following is my Open letter to His Excellency the President, Yahya A.J.J.
Jammeh. I wrote the letter in a bid to set the record straight about what
Gambia-L is all about (at least from my perspective) and to invite President
Jammeh to join and help us make Gambia-L and the Internet even more
beneficial
to The Gambia. It is my hope that the letter will, together with current
efforts on Gambia-L, help move us along a path of cooperation, mutual
respect,
and a long-lasting, healthy debate.
I faxed the letter to the State House this evening (Thurs., Nov. 18), and
sent
copies to The Point, and The Independent newspapers. For some reason, the
fax
number for The Daily Observer was not working, so I could not send them a
copy.
I will be sending seperate e-mail versions of this to both Foroyaa and
Tombong
Saidy (of GRTS) instead of faxing them their copies.
I haven't had time to read all postings that we've received on Gambia-L in
the
Katim
------------- Start of Open letter to President Jammeh --------------------
Nov. 17, 1999
His Excellency the President, Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh
State House
Banjul
The Gambia
Mr. President,
AN INVITATION TO HELP INCREASE THE BENEFITS OF GAMBIA-L AND THE INTERNET TO
THE
GAMBIA:
I am writing to invite you to help increase the benefits of Gambia-L, and the
Internet to The Gambia.
Gambia-L is an electronic discussion forum (sometimes called a mailing list)
on
the Internet created in January 1996 for discussing issues related to The
Gambia. It is presently hosted, for free and along with many others, on a
computer at St. John's University in New York, NY, USA. Electronic mail
(e-mail) sent by a subscriber to Gambia-L is automatically distributed to
other
subscribers who can, in turn, distribute their replies to that message by
sending them to the list. This way, the almost 600 Gambia-L subscribers from
all corners of the world in effect have online discussions, and exchange
information on various issues of concern to them.
Discussions and announcements on Gambia-L cover a variety of topics ranging
from job and business opportunities, marriages, obituaries, and activities in
Gambian communities around the world. As you can expect, discussions have
also
dealt with current and topical issues about The Gambia, and the whole world.
For this reason, many opinions have been expressed about you and your
government on Gambia-L, and the debate continues round the clock, and every
day.
Not all of the postings on Gambia-L flatter you or your government. In the
eyes of some people, Gambia-L is nothing but a forum for what they call
"anti-Jammeh people." I have received suggestions that I for one created
Gambia-L because I oppose your government. While I do not agree with some of
your policies, I did not help start Gambia-L to provide a forum for your
critics. Gambia-L is in fact a result of my efforts that started as far back
as
1993 seeking help setting up a mailing list to discuss Gambian issues, and
assistance in connecting The Gambia to the Internet. My interest in seeing
The
Gambia take her rightful place in the global Internet community also prompted
me to write a two-part article about the Internet that I made available, for
free, to "The Daily Observer" newspaper in The Gambia. The article was
published around April 1994, well before most people had even HEARD of the
Internet, and certainly before you came to power.
Following your overthrow of the Jawara government, I started using one of my
e-mail accounts in early in August 1994 to discuss developments in The Gambia
with few of my friends. This system was semi-automated, but the number of
people participating in the discussions continued to grow. We were finally
able, in January 1996, to find a more convenient host for the list at the
University of Washington (UW), Seattle, Washington, USA. We named the list
Gambia-L, and still kept it's objective as a forum for the discussion of The
Gambia and related issues.
UW hosted Gambia-L until last May when we were forced to find a new host.
The
reason we needed a new host for Gambia-L was that a number of Gambian
subscribers to the list started threatening a Gambian employee of UW who
sponsored the list there. Those who threatened the Gambia-L sponsor did so
because they were dissatisfied with discussions on Gambia-L, especially the
many postings on the list that were critical of you and your government.
Fortunately, I was able to get St. John's University to agree to host
Gambia-L,
and we successfully migrated the list to its new host without serious
interruptions in service. The move to St. John's University has been a
blessing in disguise for the simple reason that postings to Gambia-L are now
archived on the Web at http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html
and
accessible to Internet users anywhere in the world.
Gambia-L continues to be managed by a number of volunteers, including me, who
are responsible for approving requests for subscriptions, and handling other
administrative details. Subscription to Gambia-L is open to everyone, except
for the case of one previous member who was expelled because of his rudeness,
and insults to people on the list. All postings to the list are
automatically
distributed, without the intervention of any of the managers. This
arrangement
is different from what obtains on other lists, called moderated lists, where
list managers have to approve postings sent for distribution.
The fact that Gambia-L managers do not intervene in the distribution of
postings to the list, coupled with the free and open nature of subscriptions
means that Gambia-L could not possibly be aimed at providing a forum for
people
to thrash your administration. While it might be true that most postings are
critical, rather than supportive of your government and policies, this is
only
because your supporters and/or government officials have failed to respond to
the criticisms of your government on Gambia-L.
For example, in the past few weeks, there have been postings suggesting that
your government has a list of Gambians overseas who are black-listed and
being
watched-for at border crossings by your immigration officials. Another
posting
mentioned that some Gambians were having their passports seized when they
submit them for renewal because they are deemed opponents of your government.
I was, to say the least, disappointed that only one government official,
Tombong Saidy, of the Gambia Radio and Television Service responded to these
postings. It would help a great deal if other government departments and
agencies would get more involved in the dialogue on Gambia-L to help set the
record straight, and dispel rumors.
It is my strong opinion that contrary to what some of your supporters are
saying, Gambia-L and those who criticize you on it are valuable resources to
The Gambia government. As you know, Gambians are susceptible to telling
people
what they want to hear and not necessarily the truth. This, in my humble
opinion, was the reason that former President Jawara was blind to obvious
shortcomings in his government, and ultimately paid the price with his
downfall. For this reason, I suggest that rather than dismiss Gambia-L as a
forum for your opponents, you should use it as a source of valuable
information
and advice you will never get from those in your inner circle more interested
in self-preservation than what is best for our country.
May I mention that the importance of getting sound, truthful feedback has
been
demonstrated amply in history. You will recall that the late Shah of Iran,
Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia, General Mobutu Sesse Seko of the former
Zaire, and Samuel Doe of Liberia, to name a few, all died in disgrace and/or
violently after being overthrown from seemingly unending dictatorships. The
one lesson each of these people failed to learn was that the greatest
insurance
against a shameful end to power is to give the truth a chance to be heard.
And, Sir, if you think for one second that you are the exception to this
rule,
you should think again.
I would like to reaffirm my commitment to the idea that Gambians all over the
world have a right, like anyone else, to exchange information and ideas with
each other. For this reason, I would like to see Gambia-L used as one of the
many tools that the Internet has provided people around the world to enhance
communication, and increase understanding. We would be foolish to use
something that continues to unite people the world over to divide us, and set
us further back in our quest for national prosperity.
In this regard, I am pleased to inform you that there has been an increased
interest in Gambia-L subscribers to start a dialog between various Gambian
interest groups the world over. In particular, a recent Gambia-L posting
from
Dr. Abdoulaye Saine of Miami University of Ohio in the United States has been
received with enthusiasm by many subscribers who are ready to work toward our
common good. I invite, and strongly encourage you to join us in charting a
course of action to increase understanding, and foster a healthy debate among
us.
Toward this end, I would like to offer some suggestions about how we can make
Gambia-L, and the Internet even more beneficial to The Gambia. First, I
would
like to suggest that Gambia-government Departments and agencies either
subscribe to the list, or make sure that they have a system in place for
making
sure that they receive all discussions that relate to them. The Gambia
already
has Internet connectivity, and I see no reason why there should not be an
effort to ensure that every government Department has at least one
Internet-enabled computer.
Second, I would like to suggest that every Gambia government Department set
up
a Website. This effort should be coordinated to produce Websites that are
informative, engaging and of consistent quality. Such Websites will be a
valuable link between the Gambia government Departments and Internet users
all
over the world. Furthermore, the huge and increasing numbers of worldwide
Internet users means that developing an Internet-presence strategy for the
Gambia government will be a valuable investment for many years to come. I am
willing to offer any help I can in this regard, as I'm sure many Gambians the
world over will be willing to given the chance.
In conclusion, I would like to say that it is my sincere hope that the
appeals
for reconciliation and healthy debate on Gambia-L will be heard, acted on,
and
that we work to make the forum and the Internet a valuable resource to our
nation. To paraphrase a Wollof saying, "you should dance when God claps for
you." It is my belief, Mr. President, that we've started dancing to a tune
of
cooperation on Gambia-L, and I invite you to join and help us use the medium
to
improve the welfare of the Gambian people.
Thank you very much for your consideration, and I wish you all the best in
your
endeavors.
Sincerely,
(signed)
Katim S. Touray, Ph.D.
Madison, WI
U. S. A
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Assalaamu alaikum Sister Jabou,
Alhamdulillah and among the projects in the pipeline is to go through =
the rites of Hajj and Umrah by Sh. al-Albani step by step after Ramadhan =
inshaAllah. By Allah's leave, this topic will be revisited.=20
According to a ruling from the book 'Fatawas Regarding Women', =
translated by Sh. Zarabozo www.dar-us-salam.com, marriage is not a =
prerequisite for women to perform Hajj or Umra. However, a 'mahram' is a =
condition according to some scholars, and they have very strong proofs =
from the Sunnah. What is interesting though, is that apparently Imaam =
Malik, as-Shafi'i and al-Auzai (a contemporary of Imaam Malik; although =
his school of thought did not flourish but his knowledge of fiqh - =
jurisprudence - was equated with Imaam Malik's) all had a different =
opinion from the one below as you will see. However, I have not seen the =
evidence they have given for their rulings.=20
The ruling below has been traced back to Imaams Hasan-al-Basri, Ahmad =
bin Hanbal and Ishaq bin Rahawaih among others. And their proofs are =
strong as mentioned earlier. Allah knows best and may He, Jalla wa Ala, =
guide all of us to worship Him in the best manner. Allahumma a'inna ala =
dhikrika wa shukrika wa husni ibaadatika. O' Allah, help us in =
remembering you, thanking you and worshipping you in the best manner.=20
Definition of Mahram
. Mahram refers to the husband or a male relative whose relationship to =
the woman, due to blood, breast feeding or marriage relations, is such =
that they are never allowed to be married.--Jamal Zarabozo=20
The ulamaa' have listed five conditions for a person to be considered
a mahram. He should be male, Muslim, adult, and of sound mind, and
he should be a relative to whom marriage is permanently forbidden,
such as a father, brother, paternal uncle, maternal uncle, father in =
law,
mother's husband or brother through radaa'ah (breastfeeding), etc. (as
opposed to relatives to whom marriage is temporarily forbidden, such
as a sister's husband, paternal aunt's husband, maternal aunt's
husband).---Sh. al-Munajjid.=20
The One Who Does not Have a "Male Relative" is Not Obliged to Perform =
Hajj
Question: A woman well-known for her piety, in her middle ages or close =
to being elderly, wants to make the Hajj of Islam. However, she does not =
have a mahram1. From the same country there is a man who is well-known =
for his piety who wants to make Hajj and he is traveling with women whom =
he is related to. Is it proper for that woman to make Hajj with this man =
and the women he is traveling with, being among the women with the man =
watching over them? Does she have to perform the Hajj or is this =
requirement dropped from her since she does not have a mahram, even =
though she is financially capable? Give us a response, may Allah reward =
you.=20
Response: The woman who does not have a mahram is not obligated to =
perform the Hajj. This is because a mahram, with respect to her, is part =
of the necessary aspects of having the means to perform the Hajj. Having =
the means is one of the conditions for the obligatory nature of Hajj. =
Allah Says:
"And Hajj to the House is a duty that mankind owes to Allah, those who =
can afford the expenses." (al-Imran 97)
It is not allowed for her to travel for Hajj or otherwise without her =
husband or a mahram. This is based on what al-Bukhari recorded that the =
Prophet (peace be upon him) said,
"It is not allowed for a woman to travel a day and night's distance =
except with a mahram."
Al-Bukhari and Muslim also recorded from ibn Abbas that he heard the =
Prophet (peace be upon him) say,
"A man cannot be alone with a woman unless in the presence of a mahram =
of hers. And a woman does not travel except along with a mahram." A man =
said, "O Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) my wife has left to make =
the Hajj and I have enlisted for such and such expedition." He said, "Go =
and make Hajj with your wife."
This is the opinion of al-Hasan, al-Nakhai, Ahmad, Ishaq, ibn al-Mundhir =
and the scholars of juristic reasoning (ashab al-ra'i). It is the =
correct opinion because it is in agreement with the generality of the =
Hadith of the Prophet that prohibits women from travelling without a =
husband or mahram. Malik, al-Shafi'i and al-Auza'i have a differing =
opinion. They all state conditions for which they have no evidence. Ibn =
al-Mundhir stated, "They all abandon the clear, obvious meaning of the =
Hadith and lay down conditions for which they have no evidence."=20
The Standing Committee
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1. Mahram refers to the husband or a male relative whose relationship to =
the woman, due to blood, breast feeding or marriage relations, is such =
that they are never allowed to be married.--JZ=20
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
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<P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D4>Assalaamu alaikum Sister =
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<P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D4>Alhamdulillah and among the projects in =
the pipeline=20
is to go through the rites of Hajj and Umrah by Sh. al-Albani step =
by step=20
after Ramadhan inshaAllah. By Allah's leave, this topic will be =
revisited.=20
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<P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D4>According to a ruling from the book =
'<EM>Fatawas=20
Regarding Women', </EM>translated by Sh. Zarabozo <A=20
href=3D"http://www.dar-us-salam.com">www.dar-us-salam.com</A>, marriage =
is not a=20
prerequisite for women to perform Hajj or Umra. However, a 'mahram' is a =
condition according to some scholars, and they have very strong proofs =
from the=20
Sunnah. What is interesting though, is that apparently Imaam Malik, =
as-Shafi'i=20
and al-Auzai (a contemporary of Imaam Malik; although his school of =
thought did=20
not flourish but his knowledge of fiqh - jurisprudence - was equated =
with Imaam=20
Malik's) all had a different opinion from the one below as you will see. =
However, I have not seen the evidence they have given for their rulings. =
</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D4>The ruling below has been traced back to =
Imaams=20
Hasan-al-Basri, Ahmad bin Hanbal and Ishaq bin Rahawaih among others. =
And their=20
proofs are strong as mentioned earlier. Allah knows best and may He, =
Jalla wa=20
Ala, guide all of us to worship Him in the best manner. Allahumma a'inna =
ala=20
dhikrika wa shukrika wa husni ibaadatika. O' Allah, help us in =
remembering you,=20
thanking you and worshipping you in the best manner. <BR></P></FONT>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D4><U>Definition of Mahram</U></FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D4><STRONG>. <I>Mahram</I> </STRONG>refers =
to the=20
husband or a male relative whose relationship to the woman, due to =
blood, breast=20
feeding or marriage relations, is such that they are never allowed to be =
married.--Jamal Zarabozo <BR><BR></FONT><STRONG>The ulamaa’ have =
listed five=20
conditions for a person to be considered<BR> a mahram. He should be =
male,=20
Muslim, adult, and of sound mind, and<BR> he should be a relative =
to whom=20
marriage is permanently forbidden,<BR> such as a father, brother, =
paternal=20
uncle, maternal uncle, father in law,<BR> mother’s husband or =
brother=20
through radaa’ah (breastfeeding), etc. (as<BR> opposed to =
relatives to whom=20
marriage is temporarily forbidden, such<BR> as a sister’s =
husband, paternal=20
aunt’s husband, maternal aunt’s<BR> husband).---Sh. =
al-Munajjid.=20
<BR></STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>The One Who Does not Have a "Male Relative" is Not Obliged to =
Perform=20
Hajj<BR></STRONG></P></CENTER>
<P><B>Question:</B> A woman well-known for her piety, in her middle ages =
or=20
close to being elderly, wants to make the Hajj of Islam. However, she =
does not=20
have a <I>mahram</I><SUP>1</SUP>. From the same country there is a man =
who is=20
well-known for his piety who wants to make Hajj and he is traveling with =
women=20
whom he is related to. Is it proper for that woman to make Hajj with =
this man=20
and the women he is traveling with, being among the women with the man =
watching=20
over them? Does she have to perform the Hajj or is this requirement =
dropped from=20
her since she does not have a <I>mahram,</I> even though she is =
financially=20
capable? Give us a response, may Allah reward you. </P>
<P><B>Response:</B> The woman who does not have a <I>mahram</I> is not =
obligated=20
to perform the Hajj. This is because a <I>mahram</I>, with respect to =
her, is=20
part of the necessary aspects of having the means to perform the Hajj. =
Having=20
the means is one of the conditions for the obligatory nature of Hajj. =
Allah=20
Says:<BR></P>
<P>"And Hajj to the House is a duty that mankind owes to Allah, those =
who can=20
afford the expenses."<B> (al-Imran 97)</B><BR></P>
<P>It is not allowed for her to travel for Hajj or otherwise without her =
husband=20
or a <I>mahram.</I> This is based on what al-Bukhari recorded that the =
Prophet=20
(peace be upon him) said,<BR></P>
<P>"It is not allowed for a woman to travel a day and night's distance =
except=20
with a <I>mahram."</I><BR></P>
<P>Al-Bukhari and Muslim also recorded from ibn Abbas that he heard the =
Prophet=20
(peace be upon him) say,<BR></P>
<P>"A man cannot be alone with a woman unless in the presence of a =
<I>mahram</I>=20
of hers. And a woman does not travel except along with a <I>mahram</I>." =
A man=20
said, "O Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) my wife has left to make =
the=20
Hajj and I have enlisted for such and such expedition." He said, "Go and =
make=20
Hajj with your wife."<BR></P>
<P>This is the opinion of al-Hasan, al-Nakhai, Ahmad, Ishaq, ibn =
al-Mundhir and=20
the scholars of juristic reasoning (<I>ashab al-ra'i</I>). It is the =
correct=20
opinion because it is in agreement with the generality of the Hadith of =
the=20
Prophet that prohibits women from travelling without a husband or =
<I>mahram</I>.=20
Malik, al-Shafi'i and al-Auza'i have a differing opinion. They all state =
conditions for which they have no evidence. Ibn al-Mundhir stated, "They =
all=20
abandon the clear, obvious meaning of the Hadith and lay down conditions =
for=20
which they have no evidence." </P>
<P><B>The Standing Committee</B><BR>
<HR>
<P></P>
<P><B>Footnote</B><BR></P>
<P>1. <I>Mahram</I> refers to the husband or a male relative whose =
relationship=20
to the woman, due to blood, breast feeding or marriage relations, is =
such that=20
they are never allowed to be married.--JZ <BR><BR></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Allahumma salli wasallim alaa =
Nabiyyina=20
Muhammad. Wasalaam.<BR>Modou Mbye</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Sir Dawda Jawara is currently criss-crossing the United States, meeting
Gambians and venting spleen on the APRC government. I wish he had stopped by
in Detroit;I would have sought an exclusive interview with him. Thankfully,
I am getting some snippets of Jawara's meetings through the Gambia-L.
Talking about Jawara's presidency and its consequences, I herewith reproduce
an article I wrote on Jawara's legacy, which was published in the Daily
Observer, March 16, 1995. I wrote this article with a youngish mind, fired
with youthful idealism and limited in the knowledge of politics and
governance. So I claim full ownership over every lop-sided analysis,
ambiguous comment, factual misrepresentation, selective judgementalism, and,
oh yes, grammatical error, contained in this article. But I hope you enjoy
reading it.
Jawara's Legacy
If there is any Gambian at this moment in time who remembers the event of
July 22, 1994 with infinite shudder, it is deposed president, Sir Dawda
Jawara. Like a roving international salesman, Sir Dawda had been traipsing
around the world in frantic efforts to cajole the international community
into restoring him to power. He visited France; no success. West Africa; no
success.
Recently in the United States, Sir Dawda had been urging US government
officials to come to his rescue. But his failure to obtain conspicuous
support from the US government;and the cold reception he is reportedly said
to have had, made Sir Dawda realise bitterly, that his boisterous
international campaign agianst Gambia's new political dispensation has been
a total wash-out.
His only lethal weapon against the AFPRC government and Gambians was the
blameworthy British travel advice, which has left in its trail, gargantuan
havoc to our national economy, political order and social establishment, and
which he is widely suspected of having masterminded, and which happily, has
now been favourably amended by the British Foreign Office.
But as Sir Dawda remains dogged that he must be returned his lost
presidency, it is pertinent once again to put his 30-year administration
under microscope; and see whether the vistas of his rule make him a serious
contender for the presidency again.
Peace and Stability
Fairness requires that Sir Dawda's achievements be made known. During his
tenure of office, peace and stability reached a crescendo. While other
African countries, near and distant, got embroiled in persistent political
crises, The Gambia came away largely unflappable.
Unlike Banda, Moi, Eyadema and a host of others, ex-president Jawara did not
embark upon any vicious attempts to persecute political opponents;nor did he
harass or kill journalists. Human rights were largely untampered with. Sir
Dawda also helped nurture in the minds of Gambians the idea of multiparty
politics and democracy. Whilst our fellow Africans in most parts of the
continent clamoured endlessly for multi-party politics in their countries,
Gambians gad become ingrained in the niceties of the system.
Spurious democracy
But Jawara's achievements were wafer-thin as compared to his grave failures.
30 years of ppp rule saw Gambians descend into Stygian depths of
despondency, helplessly submitting themselves to the fatalities that came
with Jawara-ism. The democracy that was put in place was a hoax, not a
proper one. As I argued in the U.K-based New African magazine, the democracy
that was prevalent in The Gambia was one that largely thrived on the
people's illiteracy and poverty. It was one that openly flouted the
principles of accountability and transparency.
The holding of regular elections does not in its entirety represent true
democracy. Democracy also entails alternatives. Here, not only the PPP, but
even the opposition, failed. The PPP program was ineffective and wrong,
fine. But the other side of the grass wasn't green either. The programs of
most members of the opposition were no viable replacements. One of the
glaring defects of democracy as encouraging the unfit and ignorant to rule
was put in trenchant tones during Sir Dawda's time.
For the ruling party as well as the opposition, democacy was simply to be
exploited for ego-centric reasons. Policies that would benefit the people
were hardly thought-out.
Basket-size economy and dependency syndrome
The Gambia under Sir Dawda had a basket-size economy which, save for
tourism, was tethered to the umbilical cords of international donor aid, and
the importation and re-exportation of commercial goods across our borders.
We were made to rely heavily on foreign aid which increasingly became the
engine for our economic growth. The revenue accrued through importation and
re-exportation of goods was in itself not reliable in its overall
performance. The vagaries of international economic realities did not
ensure the reliable revenue needed for the effective functioning of the
national economy.
When Senegal closed its borders sometime ago, blocking the free-flow of
goods from and to The Gambia, it occasioned catastrophe for the Gambian
economy, as our coffers were getting impecunious. The crux of the matter was
the PPP regime of Sir Dawda had created no home-grown productive capacity
for an upswing in the economy, when foreign aid was not forthcoming, or when
our international trade with other countries was in the doldrums.
What was called enonomic success was predicated upon under-done World Bank
and IMF text-book prescriptions that were whimsically accepted as having
redounded to our economic development. The reality of the situation was that
Sir Dawda's ERP and SAP economic programmes simply sapped the majority of
Gambians, whilst few people, visibly unscathed by these programmes, had the
enviable chance to live in the lap of luxury.
Unbriddled Corruption
For the past 30 years, Gambians experienced unmitigated corruption in every
nook and cranny of our society. Some top government civil servants and
ministers took advantage of the laxity of rules and regulations to engage in
as much graft and shady deals as they could. No area of government activity
under Sir Dawda, escaped wanton corruption.
In 1993 alone, 60 million dalasis went missing at the Gambia Co-operative
Union;D700,000 at the Basse Commissioner's office;D535,940 at the
Agriculture Ministry; and D350,000 at the Women-In-Development project.
Enough of it all to give us the sharp haemorrhage of Gambian corruption
during Sir Dawda's time. What was even more unacceptable was the way
corruption was condoned and allowed to take firm root. Alleged squanderers
were either allowed to go scot-free or given more prestigious government
positions, thus allowing more graft in government circles.
The appointment of the kleptomaniac Saihou Sabally to the vice-presidency
inspite of newspaper evidence implicating him in fraud and corruption, was
one of the gravest blunders Sir Dawda ever made. The destruction that caused
to his personality, on the already faltering PPP, and the general conscience
of the Gambian people was equal to the simultaneous explosion of 40 hand
grenades!
Unholy crude oil contract
Under Sir Dawda, Gambians were wilfully milked millions of dollars through
the Crude Oil Contract that was supposedly meant to ginger up our diminshing
foreign reserves at the time. The Crude oil scandal has opened a can of
worms. It has shown how ineptitude and short-sightedness of leaders could
land their followers in serious trouble.
Here was a contract signed between The Gambia and Nigeria from 1984 to 1987.
During this period, The Gambia lifted over 17m barrels of crude oil from
Nigeria. But how dumbfounded have Gambians been now! For over 17m barrels of
crude oil lifted, The Gambia received an infinitesimal 2.8m instead of an
attractive 44.6m dollars. How much development could this amount have done
for The Gambia?
The acquiescence of the PPP to the swindling machinations of Jamil Sahid
Mahmoud in denying The Gambia its rightful dues in the crude oil
transaction, adds up to a discontentedly, bad legacy of Sir Dawda.
He hung onto power for an ungraciously long time, making him seemingly
believe that The Gambia was his own private hacienda. His party's
monopolistic dominance of politics in this country over the past 30 years
made The Gambia a symbolic one-party state.
For Gambians, and even the international community, Sir Dawda is now a
political has-been. With his PPP regime now laid in the morgue, Sir Dawda
has only one option at his disposal: to keep quiet.
Cherno Baba Jallow
WSU
Detroit, MI
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Mambuna forgot to mention that in addition to supporting and/or voting for the candidate of your choice, you can run for office as well. He has my vote for the Southern Kombo seat!
I had so many questions for Jawara and Mbemba Jatta (my former MP) that I could not sit still throughout the program. I felt very disappointed that we never had the opportunity to question them. I was amazed that Jawara even got to talk about term limits and corruption, or contemplating a return to power. He had difficulty pointing to any meaningful achievements during his thirty-year reign. It was the usual independence from colonialism, peace, and human rights.
I concur with many of the sentiments expressed here (by Mambuna, Saul, Musa, etc.), so there is no need to be repetitive. The key is that Jawara sees opposition to the APRC as support for Sir Dawda and his legacy. To paraphrase Musa, "DK still doesn't get it!"
Amadou Scattred Janneh
ps: Mambuna: see you at the graduation. I heard about the new baby from Baks just a few days ago. What happened?
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Mr. Touray:
I have just completed reading your open letter to His Excellency the
President of the republic of the Gambia Alhagie Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh. It
really contains interesting topics or issues in it. Although The body of the
letter sounds a little bit like an agressive command, instead of an
invitation form of a request as stated in its first sentence. Anyway that my
personal view.
This is the main reason of my email. As I learned in one of my management
class that" Negotiation tend to be more effective when done physically" I
mean face to face. Therefore I suggest you make a special trip to the gambia
to talk to the president (tete a tete)about this particular issue. Again
that's an opinion from my side. As you mentioned in your letter that this
forum is for people to give out their own opinions. Well that's an opinion
from my side and please it's not a challege. Have a bless Friday and
almighty "Allah" Bless The Gambia.
Badjie-Bassen.
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>Very well said Katim. Now, the ball is in their court. This certainly
>provides a chance to set up a forum for discussion, cooperation and
>harnessing the potential of the internet to help our nation move forward.
>If
>our governent is truely interested in moving us forward as a nation, and
>with
>the cooperation of all of Gambia's citizens which is absolutely essential
>for
>any government to succeed, then they will rise to the challenge and
>invitation.
>
>Jabou Joh
>
>
>In a message dated 11/18/99 9:59:31 PM Central Standard Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Following is my Open letter to His Excellency the President, Yahya A.J.J.
> Jammeh. I wrote the letter in a bid to set the record straight about
>what
> Gambia-L is all about (at least from my perspective) and to invite
>President
> Jammeh to join and help us make Gambia-L and the Internet even more
>beneficial
> to The Gambia. It is my hope that the letter will, together with current
> efforts on Gambia-L, help move us along a path of cooperation, mutual
>respect,
> and a long-lasting, healthy debate.
>
> I faxed the letter to the State House this evening (Thurs., Nov. 18), and
>sent
> copies to The Point, and The Independent newspapers. For some reason,
>the
>fax
> number for The Daily Observer was not working, so I could not send them a
>copy.
> I will be sending seperate e-mail versions of this to both Foroyaa and
>Tombong
> Saidy (of GRTS) instead of faxing them their copies.
>
>
> I haven't had time to read all postings that we've received on Gambia-L
>in
>the
>
>
> Katim
>
> ------------- Start of Open letter to President Jammeh
>--------------------
> Nov. 17, 1999
>
> His Excellency the President, Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh
> State House
> Banjul
> The Gambia
>
> Mr. President,
>
> AN INVITATION TO HELP INCREASE THE BENEFITS OF GAMBIA-L AND THE INTERNET
>TO
>THE
> GAMBIA:
>
> I am writing to invite you to help increase the benefits of Gambia-L, and
>the
> Internet to The Gambia.
>
> Gambia-L is an electronic discussion forum (sometimes called a mailing
>list)
>on
> the Internet created in January 1996 for discussing issues related to The
> Gambia. It is presently hosted, for free and along with many others, on
>a
> computer at St. John's University in New York, NY, USA. Electronic mail
> (e-mail) sent by a subscriber to Gambia-L is automatically distributed to
>other
> subscribers who can, in turn, distribute their replies to that message by
> sending them to the list. This way, the almost 600 Gambia-L subscribers
>from
> all corners of the world in effect have online discussions, and exchange
> information on various issues of concern to them.
>
> Discussions and announcements on Gambia-L cover a variety of topics
>ranging
> from job and business opportunities, marriages, obituaries, and
>activities in
> Gambian communities around the world. As you can expect, discussions
>have
>also
> dealt with current and topical issues about The Gambia, and the whole
>world.
> For this reason, many opinions have been expressed about you and your
> government on Gambia-L, and the debate continues round the clock, and
>every
> day.
>
> Not all of the postings on Gambia-L flatter you or your government. In
>the
> eyes of some people, Gambia-L is nothing but a forum for what they call
> "anti-Jammeh people." I have received suggestions that I for one created
> Gambia-L because I oppose your government. While I do not agree with
>some of
> your policies, I did not help start Gambia-L to provide a forum for your
> critics. Gambia-L is in fact a result of my efforts that started as far
>back
>as
> 1993 seeking help setting up a mailing list to discuss Gambian issues,
>and
> assistance in connecting The Gambia to the Internet. My interest in
>seeing
>The
> Gambia take her rightful place in the global Internet community also
>prompted
> me to write a two-part article about the Internet that I made available,
>for
> free, to "The Daily Observer" newspaper in The Gambia. The article was
> published around April 1994, well before most people had even HEARD of
>the
> Internet, and certainly before you came to power.
>
> Following your overthrow of the Jawara government, I started using one of
>my
> e-mail accounts in early in August 1994 to discuss developments in The
>Gambia
> with few of my friends. This system was semi-automated, but the number
>of
> people participating in the discussions continued to grow. We were
>finally
> able, in January 1996, to find a more convenient host for the list at the
> University of Washington (UW), Seattle, Washington, USA. We named the
>list
> Gambia-L, and still kept it's objective as a forum for the discussion of
>The
> Gambia and related issues.
>
> UW hosted Gambia-L until last May when we were forced to find a new host.
>The
> reason we needed a new host for Gambia-L was that a number of Gambian
> subscribers to the list started threatening a Gambian employee of UW who
> sponsored the list there. Those who threatened the Gambia-L sponsor did
>so
> because they were dissatisfied with discussions on Gambia-L, especially
>the
> many postings on the list that were critical of you and your government.
>
> Fortunately, I was able to get St. John's University to agree to host
>Gambia-L,
> and we successfully migrated the list to its new host without serious
> interruptions in service. The move to St. John's University has been a
> blessing in disguise for the simple reason that postings to Gambia-L are
>now
> archived on the Web at
>http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html
>and
> accessible to Internet users anywhere in the world.
>
> Gambia-L continues to be managed by a number of volunteers, including me,
>who
> are responsible for approving requests for subscriptions, and handling
>other
> administrative details. Subscription to Gambia-L is open to everyone,
>except
> for the case of one previous member who was expelled because of his
>rudeness,
> and insults to people on the list. All postings to the list are
>automatically
> distributed, without the intervention of any of the managers. This
>arrangement
> is different from what obtains on other lists, called moderated lists,
>where
> list managers have to approve postings sent for distribution.
>
> The fact that Gambia-L managers do not intervene in the distribution of
> postings to the list, coupled with the free and open nature of
>subscriptions
> means that Gambia-L could not possibly be aimed at providing a forum for
>people
> to thrash your administration. While it might be true that most postings
>are
> critical, rather than supportive of your government and policies, this is
>only
> because your supporters and/or government officials have failed to
>respond to
> the criticisms of your government on Gambia-L.
>
> For example, in the past few weeks, there have been postings suggesting
>that
> your government has a list of Gambians overseas who are black-listed and
>being
> watched-for at border crossings by your immigration officials. Another
>posting
> mentioned that some Gambians were having their passports seized when they
> submit them for renewal because they are deemed opponents of your
>government.
> I was, to say the least, disappointed that only one government official,
> Tombong Saidy, of the Gambia Radio and Television Service responded to
>these
> postings. It would help a great deal if other government departments and
> agencies would get more involved in the dialogue on Gambia-L to help set
>the
> record straight, and dispel rumors.
>
> It is my strong opinion that contrary to what some of your supporters are
> saying, Gambia-L and those who criticize you on it are valuable resources
>to
> The Gambia government. As you know, Gambians are susceptible to telling
>people
> what they want to hear and not necessarily the truth. This, in my humble
> opinion, was the reason that former President Jawara was blind to obvious
> shortcomings in his government, and ultimately paid the price with his
> downfall. For this reason, I suggest that rather than dismiss Gambia-L
>as a
> forum for your opponents, you should use it as a source of valuable
>information
> and advice you will never get from those in your inner circle more
>interested
> in self-preservation than what is best for our country.
>
> May I mention that the importance of getting sound, truthful feedback has
>been
> demonstrated amply in history. You will recall that the late Shah of
>Iran,
> Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia, General Mobutu Sesse Seko of the
>former
> Zaire, and Samuel Doe of Liberia, to name a few, all died in disgrace
>and/or
> violently after being overthrown from seemingly unending dictatorships.
>The
> one lesson each of these people failed to learn was that the greatest
>insurance
> against a shameful end to power is to give the truth a chance to be
>heard.
> And, Sir, if you think for one second that you are the exception to this
>rule,
> you should think again.
>
> I would like to reaffirm my commitment to the idea that Gambians all over
>the
> world have a right, like anyone else, to exchange information and ideas
>with
> each other. For this reason, I would like to see Gambia-L used as one of
>the
> many tools that the Internet has provided people around the world to
>enhance
> communication, and increase understanding. We would be foolish to use
> something that continues to unite people the world over to divide us, and
>set
> us further back in our quest for national prosperity.
>
> In this regard, I am pleased to inform you that there has been an
>increased
> interest in Gambia-L subscribers to start a dialog between various
>Gambian
> interest groups the world over. In particular, a recent Gambia-L posting
>from
> Dr. Abdoulaye Saine of Miami University of Ohio in the United States has
>been
> received with enthusiasm by many subscribers who are ready to work toward
>our
> common good. I invite, and strongly encourage you to join us in charting
>a
> course of action to increase understanding, and foster a healthy debate
>among
> us.
>
> Toward this end, I would like to offer some suggestions about how we can
>make
> Gambia-L, and the Internet even more beneficial to The Gambia. First, I
>would
> like to suggest that Gambia-government Departments and agencies either
> subscribe to the list, or make sure that they have a system in place for
>making
> sure that they receive all discussions that relate to them. The Gambia
>already
> has Internet connectivity, and I see no reason why there should not be an
> effort to ensure that every government Department has at least one
> Internet-enabled computer.
>
> Second, I would like to suggest that every Gambia government Department
>set
>up
> a Website. This effort should be coordinated to produce Websites that
>are
> informative, engaging and of consistent quality. Such Websites will be a
> valuable link between the Gambia government Departments and Internet
>users
>all
> over the world. Furthermore, the huge and increasing numbers of
>worldwide
> Internet users means that developing an Internet-presence strategy for
>the
> Gambia government will be a valuable investment for many years to come.
>I am
> willing to offer any help I can in this regard, as I'm sure many Gambians
>the
> world over will be willing to given the chance.
>
> In conclusion, I would like to say that it is my sincere hope that the
>appeals
> for reconciliation and healthy debate on Gambia-L will be heard, acted
>on,
>and
> that we work to make the forum and the Internet a valuable resource to
>our
> nation. To paraphrase a Wollof saying, "you should dance when God claps
>for
> you." It is my belief, Mr. President, that we've started dancing to a
>tune
>of
> cooperation on Gambia-L, and I invite you to join and help us use the
>medium
>to
> improve the welfare of the Gambian people.
>
> Thank you very much for your consideration, and I wish you all the best
>in
>your
> endeavors.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> (signed)
> Katim S. Touray, Ph.D.
> Madison, WI
> U. S. A
>
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Mr. Badgie,
Just a clarification: A discussion does not have to be physically, that might
be confrontational. Meeting a President is not as easy as just visiting the
country so I am sure not everyone who just goes to the Gambia would be able
to see the President.
A dialogue have to begin some where and I think that is all what Mr. Touray
started with. Again it is just my opinion too.
Ousman Bojang.
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In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
RAMADAN FASTING
All praise is due to Allah, the Lord and the Cherisher of the Universe.
May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon the holy prophet, Muhammad
(PBUH), his household, companions and the followers of the right guidance
till the Day of Judgment. Allah, the Exalted, says in the Qur'an:
"O you who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to
those before you that you may (learn) self-restraint. (Fasting) is for a
fixed number of days; but if any of you is ill or on a journey the
prescribed number (should be made up) from days later. For those who can
do it (with hardship, like old men/women) is a ransom the feeding of one
that is indigent. But he that will give more of his own free will it is
better for him and it is better for you that you fast if you only knew.
Ramadan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an as a guide to
mankind also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (between right and
wrong). So, every one of you who is present (at his home) during that
month should spend it in fasting but if anyone is ill or on a journey the
prescribed period (should be made up) by days later. Allah intends ease
for you He does not want to put you to difficulties. (He wants you) to
complete the prescribed period and to glorify Him in that He has guided
you; and perchance you may be grateful." Q2:183-185
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, "Islam is built upon [the following] five
pillars: testifying that there is no God except Allah and that Muhammad is
His Messenger, the establishment of the prayer (Salat), the giving of
charity (zakah), the fast of Ramadan (Siyam) and the pilgrimage to
Makkah." Talhah ibn 'Ubaidullah reported that a man came to the Prophet
and said: "O Messenger of Allah, tell me what Allah requires of me as
regards fasting." He answered, "The month of Ramadan." The man asked: "Is
there any other [fast]?" The Prophet answered: "No, unless you do so
voluntarily."
Fasting (As-siyam) is abstaining from food, drink, sexual intercourse and
bad things from dawn until sunset with the explicit intention of doing so
(for the sake of Allah). Intention is very important since many people
fast to loss weight, keep fit, etc. A Muslim will have both the spiritual
and physical benefits of fasting.
The Virtues of Fasting
Abu Hurairah reported the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, saying:
"Allah said: 'Every action of the son of Adam is for him except fasting,
for that is solely for Me. I give the reward for it. The fast is a shield.
If one is fasting, he should not use foul language, raise his voice, or
behave foolishly. If someone reviles him or fights with him he should say,
'I am fasting,' twice. By the One in whose hand is the soul of Muhammad,
the [bad] breath of the one who is fasting is better in the sight of Allah
on the Day of Resurrection than the smell of musk. The one who is fasting
is happy at two times: when he breaks his fast he is happy with it, and
when he meets his Lord he will be happy that he has fasted." This is
related by Ahmad, Muslim, and an-Nasa'i. A similar version was recorded by
al-Bukhari and Abu Dawud, but with the following addition: "He leaves his
food, drink, and desires for My sake. His fasting is for Me... I will give
the reward for it, and for every good deed, he will receive ten similar to
it."
The Virtues of Ramadan and the Deeds Done in it
Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said: "The
blessed month has come to you. Allah has made fasting during it obligatory
upon you. During it, the gates to Paradise are opened and the gates to
hellfire are locked, and the devils are chained. There is a night [during
this month], which is better than a thousand months. Whoever is deprived
of its good is really deprived [of something great]." This is related by
Ahmad, an-Nasa'i, and al-Baihaqi.
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said:
"Whoever fasts the month of Ramadan, obeying all of its limitations and
guarding himself against what is forbidden, has in fact atoned for any
sins he committed before it." Ahmad and alBaihaqi related this hadith.
Starting Ramadan Fasting
This event is confirmed by sighting the new moon of Ramadan, even if it is
seen by only one just person, or by the passage of thirty days in the
immediately preceding month of Sha'ban. Ibn 'Umar said: "The people were
looking for the new moon and when I reported to the Messenger of Allah
that I had seen it, he fasted and ordered the people to fast." This is
related by Abu Dawud, al-Hakim, and Ibn Hibban.
Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet instructed: "Fast after you have
seen it [the new crescent] and end the fast [at the end of the month] when
you see it. If it is hidden from you, then wait until the thirty days of
Sha'ban have passed." This is related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.
Essential Elements of Fasting
Allah instructs in the Qur'an: "And they are ordained nothing else than to
serve Allah, keeping religion pure for Him." Q98:5. The Prophet, upon whom
be peace, said: "Actions are judged according to the intention behind
them, and for everyone is what he intended." The intention must be made
before fajr (morning prayer) and during every night of Ramadan. This point
is based on the hadith of Hafsah which reported that the Prophet said:
"Whoever does not determine to fast before fajr will have no fast" (that
is, it won't be accepted). This is related by Ahmad, an-Nasa'i,
at-Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud, and Ibn Majah.
The intention is valid during any part of the night. It need not be
spoken, as it is in reality an act of the heart, which does not involve
the tongue. It will be fulfilled by one's intention to fast out of
obedience to Allah and for seeking His pleasure. If one eats one's
pre-dawn meal (sahoor) with the intention of fasting and to get
closer to Allah by such abstinence, then one has performed the intention.
If one determines that one will fast on the next day solely for the sake
of Allah, then one has performed the intention even if a pre-dawn meal was
not consumed. According to many of the jurists, the intention for a
voluntary fast may be made at any time before any food is consumed. This
opinion is based on 'Aishah's hadith: "The Prophet came to us one day and
said: 'Do you have any [food]?' We said, 'No.' He said: 'Therefore, I am
fasting." This is related by Muslim and Abu Dawud.
Who Must Fast
All scholars agree that fasting is obligatory upon every sane, adult,
healthy Muslim male who is not traveling at that time. As for a woman, she
must not be menstruating or having post-childbirth bleeding. People who
are insane, minors, and those who are traveling, menstruating, or going
through post-childbirth bleeding, and the elderly and breast-feeding or
pregnant women do not need to observe the fast. For some, the fast is not
obligatory at all, for example, the insane and the minors. In the case of
young people, their parents or guardians should encourage them to fast.
Some are to break the fast and make up the missed days of fasting at a
later date, e.g. travelers, sick persons and women menstruating, or going
through post-childbirth bleeding, or pregnant women, while others are to
break the fast and pay a "ransom" (in which case, they are not obliged to
make up the days they missed).
Acts That are Permissible and Not Permissible During the Fast
1. Pouring water over one's self and submersing one's self in water: Abu
Bakr ibn 'Abdurrahman reported from a number of companions that they had
seen Allah's Messenger pour water over his head while he was fasting due
to thirst or extreme heat. This is related by Ahmad, Malik, and Abu Dawud.
In al-Bukhari and Muslim, it is related from 'Aishah that the Prophet
would rise in the morning on a fasting day and then would perform ghusl (a
complete bath). If during the bath some water is swallowed
unintentionally, the fast is still valid.
2. If one is overcome and vomits unintentionally, he does not
have to make up the day later on or perform the acts of expiation. Abu
Hurairah reported that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said: "Whoever is
overcome and vomits is not to make up the day." Whoever vomits
intentionally must make up the day." This is related by Ahmad, Abu Dawud,
at-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, Ibn Hibban, ad-Daraqutni, and al-Hakim.
3. It is preferred for the fasting person to use a tooth stick or a brush.
There is no difference if he uses it at the beginning or the ending of the
day. At-Tirmidhi affirms that: "Ash-Shafhi did not see anything wrong with
using a tooth stick [brush] during the beginning or the ending of the
day." The Prophet would use his tooth stick [brush] while fasting.
4.Ejaculation void the fast even if it was just due to kissing, hugging,
or masturbation, and the day must be made up. If the ejaculation was due
to looking at or thinking about something, then it is like having a wet
dream during the day and it, therefore, does not void the fast nor is
there any requirement on the person. Similarly, ejaculation of seminal
fluid does not harm the fast in any way.
Other things on Ramadan will be discussed in subsequent postings. May
Allah count us among the people that will witness the coming Ramadan, may
Allah accepts our repentance and have mercy on us.
Peace be on you.
Surajudeen.
KFUPM, Dhahran, KSA.
Source: As-sayyid Sabiq (Translated by S. Dabas and M. S. Kayani). Fiqh
Sunnah, Volume 3. American Trust Publications, USA.
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GUARDIAN
Friday, 19 November 1999
A woman called Tomorrow
By Reuben Abati
THERE is this woman called Tomorrow. Born in a timeless moment, by a father
whose name was Time, and a mother called Hope, Tomorrow has grown to become
the most famous, most beloved woman in history. She is a polyandrist: every
man is her husband. There is also something of a lesbian about her: every
woman loves Tomorrow. They think about her. They want her. They admire her
beauty, and everything she promises. Ms. Tomorrow - she uses Ms. to
underscore her neutrality and availability, is human to the extent that she
conditions human imagination and efforts, but still, she is not exactly like
us. She is more of a ghost standing between the past and the future, so
translucent you can see through, yet so intangible and evanescent, so
changeable, she confounds, mystifies, intrigues. At group and individual
levels, man has been locked in a permanent embrace with Tomorrow. She is so
generous, so available, if she were really physical, she would have been a
prostitute, servicing the hunger of a rampaging phallocentric,
pillow-centric humanity. Her feminity is indeed irresistible. To embrace
Tomorrow is to live. Mere thoughts of her keep the heart pumping, and the
blood flows in our veins. I am not exactly what you think but I confess from
the bottom of my heart that I love tomorrow. I should like to see tomorrow:
everything that surrounds me: should see tomorrow too.
Religious institutions tend to love tomorrow more than the rest of us. The
entire epistemology of religion is based on the conviction that without
tomorrow, humanity is lost, trapped in time. People go to church, the mosque
and the temple either because they want to know tomorrow, control tomorrow,
or influence tomorrow. Tomorrow is ambivalent though, it is the vortex of
good and evil and the logical home and end of all contradictions. Immediate.
Totalitarian. Tomorrow arrives and surrounds us, not in 24-hour terms, but
in moments of pain or pleasure, fleeting moments in which life acquires new
meaning from an ordinary touch, or a spoken word. Tomorrow is a witch. She
can summon the wind, a bullet, a letter, a car, an illness, or just about
anything to deliver her love or hate, message and impact. In loving tomorrow
then, our devotion is total, like votaries at the altar of a goddess, and we
have no option, because tomorrow is the vessel for all the energies in
nature, the very energies that supply the electricity of life, and mediate
the law of thermodynamics for positive ends. To hate tomorrow is to die.
Those who despise tomorrow instantly lose part of the spark of life: they
become like NEPA, our society's epileptic institution (which is why even the
inimitable Chief Bola Ige appears helpless) and in the end, they commit
suicide. In every human society that kind of suicide resulting from a wilful
failure to embrace tomorrow, is considered a crime. Such men are taken to
the evil forest, they are treated by forensic experts like a piece of
evidence of how not to be human in a humanising world in love with tomorrow.
Tomorrow, then, is what we live for. The hangman looks forward to tomorrow.
The man on the death row, like Ken Saro-Wiwa, still speaks of tomorrow with
certainty. On the way to prison, Chief Obafemi Awolowo spoke of tomorrow
like a man who knew tomorrow, and her secrets.
But tomorrow is the home of secrets. Who knows tomorrow? men are wont to
ask. "Nobody knows tomorrow," the same question is answered on the tail
board of Lagos mammy-wagons, the Molue, where philosophy is delivered and
distributed in the streets in innocent but poignant doses. If men were to
know tomorrow, they would never make mistakes. The Elizabethans (16th and
17th century England) invested much effort in knowing tomorrow, but their
most accomplished poet, William Shakespeare eventually wrote that "It is
human to err". Man errs because he is destined to die. He dies because he is
fallible, imperfect. Tomorrow is a wonder of creation - every woman is - and
those who doubt this should consider the mystery of pregnancy, the bigger
mystery of birth, and the larger mystery of growth. Medical scientists and
fortune tellers these days pretend to have answers to all problems: they can
foretell the sex of a child, or the coming of a hurricane, but science has
not answered all the questions about the future of a hurricane, or the tango
between a child and tomorrow. Fortune tellers have not fared better. Every
year, Olabayo, and Okunzua pretend to know tomorrow, very soon they will
mount the crystal ball again, but by mid-year, they have to remind you of
what they said about tomorrow, and they are free to say anything, because
really we are so trapped in personal battles with tomorrow, we hardly bother
about men who live off the uncontrollable destiny of man. Even Nostradamus,
the prince of all futurologists, did not know everything , because nobody
does.
Take Gen. Sani Abacha. He used state resources to employ marabouts who told
him he was the greatest thing since the invention of toothpaste. Abacha
wanted to know tomorrow. He loved tomorrow. The marabouts told him he had
found favour with tomorrow. But he died, neither knowing nor meeting
tomorrow. If he had known that when and if tomorrow comes, his family and
friends will be subjected to humiliation, disgrace and contempt, maybe he
would have struggled to be a better man. If Abiola had known tomorrow too,
he probably would have stayed away from politics, and maybe he would have
gone into politics, and then not insist on the mandate he won on June 12.
Who would have thought that Obasanjo will return from prison to become
President? And Bamaiyi who was once said to be a man of power and means in
the Nigerian Army - today, the courts and lawyers are helping him to enjoy
some respite before the sins of his past catch up with him, and his tomorrow
receives a judgment from the past. If Bamaiyi had known, maybe he would have
behaved differently. Who could have predicted two weeks ago that Enwerem
will lose his seat as Senate President? And that Chuba Okadibgo and his band
of Igbo coupists will remove their own kinsman, something Tell magazine
could not really do?
I am afraid of tomorrow. Tomorrow, being a prostitute, is unreliable. Good
men do not always see tomorrow. Nature is ambiguous in its judgments. Until
we are able to know why good follows bad, and evil is rewarded with good, we
will never know tomorrow. So, what will tomorrow bring? Candidly, I repeat:
I do not know. The country today is precisely at such a moment that evokes
anxieties about tomorrow. The country is laden with contradictions. We have
a president who means well, but he is surrounded by cripples who are slowing
down the process with their omissions and shortcomings. We have a president
who left alone says the right things but whose speech and letter writers are
often absent-minded as evident in that thoroughly absent-minded letter to
the governor of Bayelsa State, that governor with a sentence of a name -
knowing that I require two tongues to pronounce that Governor's name, I
don't even bother to write it. (Sorry.) We have a democratic government in
power, but it looks like the politicians are distracted, while the area boys
are in charge. The Amphibious Brigade of the Egbesu Army and the Spiritually
Fortified Brigade of the Oduduwa People's Congress are far more influential
than either the Nigerian Army or police. When Lagos residents need help
these days for example, they don't bother to consult the police, they invite
the neighbourhood branch of the OPC. And yet, democracy is supposed to
guarantee our happiness, and not place us at the mercy of semi-illiterates.
Tomorrow is strange: she produces all sorts. Ganiyu Adams is today the
spokesman of the Yoruba. At least, he is the only one who can make every
other ethnic group in Nigeria listen to the Yoruba, and yet Yoruba advertise
themselves as the most civilised group in the country.
We are at such a moment in our lives as a nation when everything is
happening, and anything is possible. No nation, where the rule of law, is
entrenched, can afford such calamity. Our primary problem is in the area of
law and order. Some bearded mullahs in Zamfara State are misbehaving, and we
are all busy saying that is democracy. That is not democracy, it is
stupidity, because it is foolish to allow fifth-columnists exploit democracy
to cause havoc and not do something about them. We have impregnated tomorrow
in this land. We have abandoned the women of the land, and impregnated the
alternative from the coven of witchcraft. If tomorrow gives birth to a
hermaphrodite, that will be sorry indeed, considering the efforts we have
made, the bridges we crossed, the trees we planted. If and when tomorrow
comes, we shall see.
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Hi Folks,
This was forwarded to me. I have deleted the sender's add. Have a
splendid weekend!
Cheers,
Madiba.
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Today is November 19th, 1999.
The numerical format for today is 19-11-1999. All of the digits are
odd. The next Odd day will be 1-1-3111 - which is well over a
thousand years away, which we will never see. Days such as 13-4-89
have both even and odd digits, thus, it is neither odd nor even. The
next even day will be 2-2-2000 - the first one since 28-8-888.
So, now you have a reason to celebrate this Friday as it'll be your
last odd day on Earth!!!!!!
Have a nice odd day!
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Hear! Hear! You've put it well, Ousman.
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>Amadou and Musa,
>Thanks to all of you and some of those who had tried to report Jawara's
>talks
>on this forum. Already a few people had mentioned everything that need to
>be
>mentioned.
>However, reading between the lines for what the former president had to say
>and the reply he gave to Malafy Jarju on his question about returning to
>power just stunned me. I thought the guy was doing all of these to work
>forward to apologizing to the Gambia as Saul Saidykhan pointed out. It has
>to
>be clear to Jammeh and all those former ministers following him that yes
>the
>Gambians might be disgust with the Jammeh regime, but if they think that
>they
>have unfinished business after 30 years of corrupt and the same HUMAN RIGHT
>abuses Jammeh just happen to be better at, I think they are dreaming.
>Because of all the discussions at the moment going on the L- for a
>reconciliation's, I was refraining myself from joining this discussion
>until
>I read what he replied to Mr. Jarju's question. I would have loved to ask
>Jawara if he remembered imprisoning his oppositions for years and denying
>them the due process of the court just as Jammeh is doing. And my second
>question to him was going to be how he would have felt if he was caught by
>the junta and imprisoned for years denying his family visitation rights?
>Being a direct victim of that and kidnapping a school boy in the name of
>national security during his era is not worse(t) than what Jammeh might be
>doing.
>I certainly take it just as Musa Jeng pointed out, "He just did not get
>it."
>The guy need to rake a rest and take the advise from Saul to try to write a
>memoire so that we could all learn from the mistakes he did.
>
>Ousman Bojang.
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Asalaamu alaykum Madiba,
Alhamdullila, Thank you very much for this incredible fact.
May Allah(SWT) give you longlife,goodhealth and progress in all
what you are doing.
May Allah! increase your knowledge and give you the best of
knowledge....Ameen!!!!!
(Masalam)
Samba Goddard
Madiba wrote:
> GUARDIAN
>
> Friday, 19 November 1999
>
> A woman called Tomorrow
>
> By Reuben Abati
>
> THERE is this woman called Tomorrow. Born in a timeless moment, by a father
> whose name was Time, and a mother called Hope, Tomorrow has grown to become
> the most famous, most beloved woman in history. She is a polyandrist: every
> man is her husband. There is also something of a lesbian about her: every
> woman loves Tomorrow. They think about her. They want her. They admire her
> beauty, and everything she promises. Ms. Tomorrow - she uses Ms. to
> underscore her neutrality and availability, is human to the extent that she
> conditions human imagination and efforts, but still, she is not exactly like
> us. She is more of a ghost standing between the past and the future, so
> translucent you can see through, yet so intangible and evanescent, so
> changeable, she confounds, mystifies, intrigues. At group and individual
> levels, man has been locked in a permanent embrace with Tomorrow. She is so
> generous, so available, if she were really physical, she would have been a
> prostitute, servicing the hunger of a rampaging phallocentric,
> pillow-centric humanity. Her feminity is indeed irresistible. To embrace
> Tomorrow is to live. Mere thoughts of her keep the heart pumping, and the
> blood flows in our veins. I am not exactly what you think but I confess from
> the bottom of my heart that I love tomorrow. I should like to see tomorrow:
> everything that surrounds me: should see tomorrow too.
>
> Religious institutions tend to love tomorrow more than the rest of us. The
> entire epistemology of religion is based on the conviction that without
> tomorrow, humanity is lost, trapped in time. People go to church, the mosque
> and the temple either because they want to know tomorrow, control tomorrow,
> or influence tomorrow. Tomorrow is ambivalent though, it is the vortex of
> good and evil and the logical home and end of all contradictions. Immediate.
> Totalitarian. Tomorrow arrives and surrounds us, not in 24-hour terms, but
> in moments of pain or pleasure, fleeting moments in which life acquires new
> meaning from an ordinary touch, or a spoken word. Tomorrow is a witch. She
> can summon the wind, a bullet, a letter, a car, an illness, or just about
> anything to deliver her love or hate, message and impact. In loving tomorrow
> then, our devotion is total, like votaries at the altar of a goddess, and we
> have no option, because tomorrow is the vessel for all the energies in
> nature, the very energies that supply the electricity of life, and mediate
> the law of thermodynamics for positive ends. To hate tomorrow is to die.
> Those who despise tomorrow instantly lose part of the spark of life: they
> become like NEPA, our society's epileptic institution (which is why even the
> inimitable Chief Bola Ige appears helpless) and in the end, they commit
> suicide. In every human society that kind of suicide resulting from a wilful
> failure to embrace tomorrow, is considered a crime. Such men are taken to
> the evil forest, they are treated by forensic experts like a piece of
> evidence of how not to be human in a humanising world in love with tomorrow.
> Tomorrow, then, is what we live for. The hangman looks forward to tomorrow.
> The man on the death row, like Ken Saro-Wiwa, still speaks of tomorrow with
> certainty. On the way to prison, Chief Obafemi Awolowo spoke of tomorrow
> like a man who knew tomorrow, and her secrets.
>
> But tomorrow is the home of secrets. Who knows tomorrow? men are wont to
> ask. "Nobody knows tomorrow," the same question is answered on the tail
> board of Lagos mammy-wagons, the Molue, where philosophy is delivered and
> distributed in the streets in innocent but poignant doses. If men were to
> know tomorrow, they would never make mistakes. The Elizabethans (16th and
> 17th century England) invested much effort in knowing tomorrow, but their
> most accomplished poet, William Shakespeare eventually wrote that "It is
> human to err". Man errs because he is destined to die. He dies because he is
> fallible, imperfect. Tomorrow is a wonder of creation - every woman is - and
> those who doubt this should consider the mystery of pregnancy, the bigger
> mystery of birth, and the larger mystery of growth. Medical scientists and
> fortune tellers these days pretend to have answers to all problems: they can
> foretell the sex of a child, or the coming of a hurricane, but science has
> not answered all the questions about the future of a hurricane, or the tango
> between a child and tomorrow. Fortune tellers have not fared better. Every
> year, Olabayo, and Okunzua pretend to know tomorrow, very soon they will
> mount the crystal ball again, but by mid-year, they have to remind you of
> what they said about tomorrow, and they are free to say anything, because
> really we are so trapped in personal battles with tomorrow, we hardly bother
> about men who live off the uncontrollable destiny of man. Even Nostradamus,
> the prince of all futurologists, did not know everything , because nobody
> does.
>
> Take Gen. Sani Abacha. He used state resources to employ marabouts who told
> him he was the greatest thing since the invention of toothpaste. Abacha
> wanted to know tomorrow. He loved tomorrow. The marabouts told him he had
> found favour with tomorrow. But he died, neither knowing nor meeting
> tomorrow. If he had known that when and if tomorrow comes, his family and
> friends will be subjected to humiliation, disgrace and contempt, maybe he
> would have struggled to be a better man. If Abiola had known tomorrow too,
> he probably would have stayed away from politics, and maybe he would have
> gone into politics, and then not insist on the mandate he won on June 12.
> Who would have thought that Obasanjo will return from prison to become
> President? And Bamaiyi who was once said to be a man of power and means in
> the Nigerian Army - today, the courts and lawyers are helping him to enjoy
> some respite before the sins of his past catch up with him, and his tomorrow
> receives a judgment from the past. If Bamaiyi had known, maybe he would have
> behaved differently. Who could have predicted two weeks ago that Enwerem
> will lose his seat as Senate President? And that Chuba Okadibgo and his band
> of Igbo coupists will remove their own kinsman, something Tell magazine
> could not really do?
>
> I am afraid of tomorrow. Tomorrow, being a prostitute, is unreliable. Good
> men do not always see tomorrow. Nature is ambiguous in its judgments. Until
> we are able to know why good follows bad, and evil is rewarded with good, we
> will never know tomorrow. So, what will tomorrow bring? Candidly, I repeat:
> I do not know. The country today is precisely at such a moment that evokes
> anxieties about tomorrow. The country is laden with contradictions. We have
> a president who means well, but he is surrounded by cripples who are slowing
> down the process with their omissions and shortcomings. We have a president
> who left alone says the right things but whose speech and letter writers are
> often absent-minded as evident in that thoroughly absent-minded letter to
> the governor of Bayelsa State, that governor with a sentence of a name -
> knowing that I require two tongues to pronounce that Governor's name, I
> don't even bother to write it. (Sorry.) We have a democratic government in
> power, but it looks like the politicians are distracted, while the area boys
> are in charge. The Amphibious Brigade of the Egbesu Army and the Spiritually
> Fortified Brigade of the Oduduwa People's Congress are far more influential
> than either the Nigerian Army or police. When Lagos residents need help
> these days for example, they don't bother to consult the police, they invite
> the neighbourhood branch of the OPC. And yet, democracy is supposed to
> guarantee our happiness, and not place us at the mercy of semi-illiterates.
> Tomorrow is strange: she produces all sorts. Ganiyu Adams is today the
> spokesman of the Yoruba. At least, he is the only one who can make every
> other ethnic group in Nigeria listen to the Yoruba, and yet Yoruba advertise
> themselves as the most civilised group in the country.
>
> We are at such a moment in our lives as a nation when everything is
> happening, and anything is possible. No nation, where the rule of law, is
> entrenched, can afford such calamity. Our primary problem is in the area of
> law and order. Some bearded mullahs in Zamfara State are misbehaving, and we
> are all busy saying that is democracy. That is not democracy, it is
> stupidity, because it is foolish to allow fifth-columnists exploit democracy
> to cause havoc and not do something about them. We have impregnated tomorrow
> in this land. We have abandoned the women of the land, and impregnated the
> alternative from the coven of witchcraft. If tomorrow gives birth to a
> hermaphrodite, that will be sorry indeed, considering the efforts we have
> made, the bridges we crossed, the trees we planted. If and when tomorrow
> comes, we shall see.
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:39:07 +0100
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Mr Jeng,
You`re very right the "Pa still has not got the message", and it`s going =
to be real hard to put this message across because he continues to give =
lectures but does not entertain questions or comments! It`s just too bad =
for him because this is not the generation that is easily carried away =
by some cheap rhetoric, and I believe we are sick and tied of singing =
"D.K sabari". Right? As Saul rightly stated, he should consider writing =
his memoires and by doing this he is rendering us a great service =
because we would learn never to repeat his mistakes.
Another Jawara regime is just another sell-out. So please give us a =
break Sir.
Regards,
Omar.
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Emne: Re: D.K. Jawara's Visit to Atlanta
>I have never been up-closed to His Excellency, and this Atlanta trip =
was
>looked forward to as an opportunity to hear IT from the man himself.
>
>President Jawara looks extremely well, still carries that personality =
of a
>great man, and his ability to articulate his message is very impressive
>indeed. At the end of the meeting, I made it clear to the organizers of =
my
>disappointment of a lost opportunity. A man of President Jawara's =
calibre,
>resourcefulness, experience, and one of the best resources that can be
>essential to our search for solutions could have been better utilized.
>Instead the whole meeting became a PPP political rally, a feel good =
therapy,
>and ofcourse a nostalgia to the heydays of the Jawara era. Speakers =
were
>selected, all ardent supporter of the Pa (understanably so), but the =
rhetoric
>only reminded me of PPP rallies at Jarra, or Janjanbureng. The message =
lacked
>substance, not very careful with the facts and extremely partisan. Oh =
yea, it
>would not be a PPP rally without a Jaliba and a Kora to take us back to =
the
>tunes that reminded us an era gone by. It was nice and it was an =
effective
>therapy for the Pa, and I was infact happy for him.
>The Pa's main message was an echo of the rattlings of the previous =
Speakers.
>His central message revolved around these issues:
>A. Most of the APRC projects were infact in the pipeline, and the =
foundation
>was already in place.
>B. He said it is preposterous to even suggest that his government has =
never
>built schools."We have built several primary schools and most of the =
high
>schools were public funded"
>
>C. He talked about the successes of Parastatals, and how the Jammeh
>government raided their reserves and made them ineffective.
>D. He was very critical of Jammeh's so-called projects, and even made =
fun of
>how most of these projects have become refuge for stray dogs and goats.
>E. He proposed the need for civil disobedience by the civil servants as =
an
>option to challeng Jammeh's government.
>F. To looked into the possibility in organizing demostration, for =
instance at
>the Carter human rights center. He emphasized the importance of such =
moves,
>especially with large gatherings of Gambians inorder to attract the =
media
>
>Conclusion:
>It was sad that questions were not allowed, and this is where I got
>disappointed, and echoed my sentiments to the organizers. I argued that =
It
>was ironical that the champion of democracy, and his arguemant at the =
meeting
>to the importance of civil liberties was shield from any critical =
questions,
>or the raising of relevant issues to our development. Their =
explaination was
>that the Pa's last visit to Atlanta was met with unruly individuals =
that
>treated the elder statesman with so much dis-respect that they were not =
going
>to see that happen to the Pa again.
>Personally, I felt that his message lacked any critical probing, =
especially
>after been out of office for so long, I was expecting a much more =
critical
>analysis of the situation, and not to see him pursuing politics of his
>handlers. A politics of retribution, politics of getting even, and even =
to
>suggest that Jammeh's failures exonerated him from all allegations came
>across vey hollow to me. I found him to be very descent, smart, =
articulate,
>and I feel his pain, but it was also very clear that the Pa has still =
not
>got the message.
>I would also like to convey to the Pa, that whatever Jammeh does, =
whether
>trample over democracy, send our economy on a tailspin; the Pa's legacy =
would
>always be his legacy and would be judge on its own merit. And that even =
a
>second chance would be disastrous because no matter how you slice it, =
Gambia
>would be the ultimate looser
>
>Musa jeng
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Dear Gambia-L members,
The proposals I am about to put forward have been in my mind for some
time now. Privately I have discussed them with some members of the List
and yet I had not come forth with it until now. The main reason behind
the long hesitation is my resolve not to start anything which I cannot
give full attention, time and energy to. I thought that once put forward
the ideas will be embraced by at least some list members, leaving me
with the option to either let it float around for some time and perhaps
eventually sink into oblivion or to inject life into it and transform it
into action. Even though I still do not feel ready for it, I am
encouraged by recent discussions under the heading "It is time to Heal
Self and Nation" to such an extent that I feel compelled to shared these
thoughts with you.
The driving force behind these proposals is first and foremost the
desire to move beyond simply discussing, to a new stage of action;
action which will realistically transform the essence of our concerns as
reflected in our discussions from exchanges on the List to some form of
collective action. I will illustrate the kind of action I am referring
to later. Before doing so let me first start by identifying some common
ground from which I believe common action can be launched. I will try to
keep the list modest in an attempt not to draw up over-ambitious plans
which will collect dust in the annals of Gambia-L archives. I am sure
others will come up with realistic proposals too.
As already observed by other List members, it would appear that many of
us on the List, if not all, do share a common aspiration of a better
Gambia. What a better Gambia means to each and everyone and how to
achieve it may be different, but I believe we will all agree that if the
People of the Gambia can freely decide who should rule the country
without fear or uninformed hopes of gaining a few colanuts, in the
interest of the country and further reserve the right to remove leaders
who do not act in their interest, a good beginning would have been set
for the country. This is therefore one area in which we can agree,
despite our various believes, orientations and loyalties, and launch
some common action.
Another area where we can certainly find common ground is on national
unity. The days before the last elections in 1994 were unfortunately
characterised by dangerous ethnic political propaganda. It is no secret
that some politicians tried to use their ethnic origin to muster support
by propagating the idea that Gambia must be ruled by this or that ethnic
group. Recent events have shown that this ugly demon is still with us.
Ethnic politics as we know, looking back at experiences from Liberia,
Sierra Leone, Burundi etc. can benefit no one. It amounts to a group of
very unscrupulous people using the ignorance of the people to secure
their own selfish interest only to run away and seek refuge when thing
get out of control and especially when their own lives are threatened;
indeed they run, scream and crawl to ask for pardon after bringing ruin
to their own people including those from the same ethnic group. So here
too we can identify a common ground. Any action by any group of people,
be they a political grouping or not, be they the party ruling the
country or not, should be unanimously condemned with a united
uncompromising voice.
Many members in this list are living abroad. As such we are subjected to
certain common problems whose redress can only be enhanced by common
action. For example, sometime ago the question of double citizenship was
discussed in this forum. Some people it would appear were forced to
abandon their Gambian citizenship not because their country of residence
prohibits dual citizenship but rather because of some uncertainties on
the Gambian side. Hence these people are forced to become foreigners in
their country of origin when we all know that most Gambians abroad are
proud of their Gambian heritage, but are sometimes forced by
circumstances to seek the nationality of their country of residence as a
matter of convenience.
The behaviour of the Swedish police in Stockholm, whose chief for the
Stockholm area officially criminalised all Gambians and threatened to
take draconian action against all Gambians is another example. Whereas
this case was in a way extreme, it is common knowledge that Gambians and
Africans in general are vulnerable to such forms of institutional
discrimination. Together we can at least take common action to condemn
such acts and request those ruling the Gambia at that particular time to
officially condemn such acts. In both of these cases one can easily find
common ground for action in the interest of Gambians living abroad.
As Gambians living abroad we can also think of ways in which we can make
positive contributions to the situation at home. In fact some work is
already going on in this area, for example, GESO and the Book Project.
But perhaps we can also contribute to emergency relief in times of
tragedy or disaster. The recent floods were a typical case where our
contribution could have made a great difference for a number of affected
people. A Relief funds could have been established to complement the
efforts of other citizens and institutions who took up the task of
organising relief work.
Also, those who, by virtue of their qualifications, are in one way or
the other able to offer their services to the country may think of
forming expert groups to give advice and even participate directly in
ongoing activities in their field of expertise. Such an act will under
certain circumstances constitute a contribution to the betterment of the
lives of the Gambian people. The so formed expert groups can get in
touch with the ministries or institutions responsible for services in
their fields and intervene positively where possible.
Having highlighted some common grounds for common action I would now
like to proceed to the question of who do we try to reach and what type
of action may be considered. First of all The Gambia has its democratic
institutions. By that I mean institutions which though imperfect, have
been established either by our constitution or on its basis. To me
therefore it is not only the Government of the day which should be
addressed. Secondly, whether our democratic institutions are strong or
weak, whether people in charge of running the affairs of the country do
so satisfactorily or not is largely dependent on the level of awareness
and involvement of the ordinary people in defending what is in their
interest. Consequently it is my believe that we should enter into
dialogue with institutions of Government, democratic institutions and
last but most the Gambian people. But how?
This brings us to the question of what action to consider. As far as
contributing to disaster relief and in terms of knowledge I have already
mentioned forming a relief fund and experts groups. In this regard, we
can learn from the experiences of GESO. As far as offering our expertise
is concerned, those who are qualified in their fields can even act as
consultants. Rather than enriching other experts from elsewhere, The
Gambia can even gain by offering fellow Gambians who are well qualified
in their fields the chance to contribute and thereby divert at least
part of the earnings into the home economy. Of course those with
expertise to offer must clear for themselves all conflicts of interests
concerning their present positions.
As far as institutions are concerned, we may do well remembering that
only the Gambian people can really bring about ultimate change by voting
into office people who can manage the affairs of the country
satisfactorily. The best way we can contribute to make those
institutions effective, from a common stand as Gambia-L, is to try to
identify some of the wrongs, shortcomings and mismanagement and propose
ways to rectify these. But first we need to identify key institutions to
address. The first one to come in mind is the executive. The president
of The Gambia being the head of the executive will necessarily be one
person we should address some of our concerns. Parliament is another
institution to address our concerns to. The bar association and the
ministry of justice are potential addressees of some concerns on the
question of justice and human rights issues. The Independent Electoral
Commission (IEC) should hear our concerns and proposals concerning a
fair electoral system. Political parties should hear from us what kind
of conduct we expect from them. Finally, through the media we should
establish a forum to let our views known and exchange opinions with our
fellow Gambians on the ground, who for one reason or the other are not
members of
Gambia-L.
Let me give some examples. As said earlier, anything which promotes
fairness in the electoral system and hence making it possible for
Gambians to elect and if unsatisfied remove from office those who they
so wish to, without fear will be a gain for all. As elections are due in
about two years time, we can petition the IEC, members of parliament and
the head of state to reduce the incredible deposit of five thousand
Dalasis to be paid by election candidates. This will allow honest
candidates who do not have wealth to display but sincere service to
offer to the nation to contest elections. We can also petition all
political parties and challenge parliamentarians to make laws to
prohibit campaign based on ethnic origin. We can also petition the head
of state and the IEC and challenge parliamentarians to make laws
allowing all contending parties equal air time on radio and television.
On the question of double citizenship for example, we can write to the
head of state asking for clarification on the matter. At the same time,
we can challenge parliamentarians to pass laws stating clearly that
Gambians can have double citizenship under reasonable conditions.
We can make our views known on the question of the increasingly
difficult conditions which have to be met to register newspapers, on the
kidnappings of the likes of Shyngle Nyassi etc. etc. should they recur.
As far as the media is concerned, we have at least FOROYAA and GRTS
through Tombong Saidy on board. I believe we can genuinely expect them
to offer coverage to our views and concerns and if possible relay to us
some of the views expressed by others outside of the list either in
reaction to our actions or simply adding to the exchanges of views,
which will only enrich the discussions.
I have tried to restrict myself to common-ground issues, which can
easily be accepted by most people irrespective of loyalties,
affiliations etc. However, there will always be list members who may
object to this or that case. This brings us to a question which was
raised today; who is being referred to as we? As far as I am concerned
"we" is being used to reflect the desire for collective action in the
first place. Collective action will be the new stage I am advocating,
just like others on the list. Yet we must be very clear on the fact that
there will always be some who would not like to associate themselves
with certain actions. We have to respect that. "We" should therefore be
simply restricted to the signatories to any given document generated
through collective action. It must be made clear that not everyone on
the List endorses every collective action. On the other hand, we should
take note of the fact that the more we try to be reasonable the more
people we will have on the side of collective action and, yes, the more
effective our common voice will be. This calls for responsibility and
maturity on our side. After all everybody is free to express any view on
the List as long as nobody is thereby insulted. Likewise anyone who
wishes to go further can certainly look for other avenues to achieve
their goals.
I have done some thinking about how we may approach some of the "hows",
but first I will listen to others. I am sure there are many unanswered
questions.
Alpha Robinson
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 01:31:37 +0100
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Subject: Commnwealth's Declaration on The Gambia
Gambia L Members,
I culled this very interesting piece of information from the Independent
newspaper of the Gambia about the global humiliation our country is about to
face if those leaders do not put their acts together.I hope the government
will take this body seriously because I believe their cry is the cry off all
citizens of the Gambia today, where civil servants are threatened with
dismissal under no basis,illegal detentions,and massive looting of poor tax
payers money just to name a few.
Gambia Government under fire
As Commonwealth decries human rights record
The government of President Yahya Jammeh has been seriously lambasted at the
Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) in Durban, South Africa.
Both human rights activists and the Commonwealth Ministerial Action Group
(CMAG) criticised the Gambian Government for 'gross human rights violations,
political incorrectness and lack of freedom for the press' amongst other
things.
According to the CMAG report submitted before CHOGM, the Jammeh
administration had violated the Harare principles, contravening good
governance and democratic practices. The report highlighted Decree 89 that
banned former politicians from the ousted Jawara regime from participating
in politics. It also highlighted military decrees that violate the
constitution or international legal obligations. CMAG further submitted that
while constitutional rule had returned, The Gambia's status is deeply
compromised by the continued existence on the statute books of archaic laws
and repressive military decrees and restrictions and harassment of
opposition activists.
Several cases were reported including the closure by the government of
Citizen FM radio station in February 1998, the sacking of two leading
journalists Demba Jawo and Theophilus George and the purchase of the Daily
Observer by a businessman believed to be close to the government.
The temporary closure of The Independent newspaper in August 1999 and the
detention of its editors were assessed as politically motivated action by
the report. The detention of Alieu Badara Sowe in September 1999 was also
highlighted.
Article 19, a London based human rights organisation, also urged CMAG to put
pressure on the Government of The Gambia to improve its compliance with the
Harare principles and further urged CMAG to send a high level mission to
review the human rights situation in The Gambia. Article 19 further urged
international donors to use their influence with the Gambia Government to
ensure that the National Communication and Information Policy fully accords
with international standards before providing financial assistance for its
implementation. Article 19 further recommended to CMAG that the Gambia
Government be required to repeal those military decrees which violate the
constitution or international legal obligations; end all harassment of
journalists including periodic threats to deport non-Gambians as journalists
and opposition activists; allow Citizen FM radio to resume broadcasting
immediately and return all equipment confiscated from the owners in 1998,
commit itself to creating a National Communication and Information Policy
(NACIP) which fully accords with international standards and not establish
regulatory bodies such as the National Media Commission until such time as
the NACIP policy is in place. They further urged that the government commit
itself to guaranteeing, by law, the editorial and operational independence
of the Gambia Radio and Television Services.
Don Mckinnon, the newly elected Commonwealth Secretary-General, told
journalists that The Gambia still remained in the books of CMAG. He also
said specifically that Decree 89 contravened good governance, and is
'undemocratic'. He urged the Jammeh government to review all military
decrees.
Kaye Whiteman, the Commonwealth's summit spokesperson said at a press
briefing that President Jammeh had extended an invitation to CMAG to visit
The Gambia and assess its human rights and democratic practices.
*** photo caption:Don Mckinnon will take over as Secretary General of the
Commonwealth in 2000..
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Katim,
Your request for open dialogue with His Excellency, in lieu of Dr. Abdo=
ulie Saine's plea, albeit your well intentions, is skewd. To engage in =
an open dialogue requires impartiality and objectivity. I would have re=
quested dialogue by inviting His Excellency to the Gambia-L forum withou=
t lashing out on his politics. I don't think it is prudent to take a co=
nfrontational stance when one is soliciting dialogue. Anyway, this is my=
personal opinion. As the proprietor of Gambia-l, 'for crying out loud'=
you should at least be the judge, not the jury.
Happy holidays,
Malafy "Mafy" Jarju
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Assalamu alaikum sister Ndey
This is definitely a great pleasure to learn that Gambians are starting what
I will call the move in the right direction. Let the Almighty guide you all
in the process of the establishment. Please remember that you have started a
very difficult task and all it takes is hard work and dedication.
At this point, I would like to extend, on behalf of Amir Shiekh Yakuba Fatty,
Imam Bye Ibrahima Secka and the executive committee of the Atlanta League For
Islamic Education "ALIE," sincere greetings to you, the executive committee
and the entire Gambian community in New York. We will continue to pray for
the success of your organisation, and will ask all Gambian communities to
follow suit.
As we are also at the early stage of establishing ours, we would like to tell
you that our doors are open to you for any possible assistance. We can
initiate contacts.
Thank you and God Bless you.
Ousman Manjang
Administrative secretary
"ALIE"
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>>Hi - I am passing this on for your information. I don't know any other
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Mr.Bojang:
I am not sure what you actually mean by a discussion, but I don't think I a
physical discussion to kindly invite someone might be confrontational. Also
you don't just go to The Gambia and expect to see the president easily.
That was why I used the phrase "special Trip". Because I belief if you make
it special trip to see the president, This may compel you to make necessary
arrangements for the trip.And I'm pretty sure that you will see the
president. Again this is my opinion with connection to your clarification.
Have a nice day and Almighty"Allah" bless the Gambia.
Badjie-Bassen
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>Mr. Badgie,
>Just a clarification: A discussion does not have to be physically, that
>might
>be confrontational. Meeting a President is not as easy as just visiting the
>country so I am sure not everyone who just goes to the Gambia would be able
>to see the President.
>A dialogue have to begin some where and I think that is all what Mr. Touray
>started with. Again it is just my opinion too.
>
>Ousman Bojang.
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Mori K,
I red this piece two days ago. Only Gambians are not being told the truth.
In any case, the world is now fully aware of the brutality and repression of
the Jammeh regime. Thanks for putting the piece up.
Saul.
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>Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:28:10 -0600
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>Gambia L Members,
>I culled this very interesting piece of information from the Independent
>newspaper of the Gambia about the global humiliation our country is about
>to
>face if those leaders do not put their acts together.I hope the government
>will take this body seriously because I believe their cry is the cry off
>all
>citizens of the Gambia today, where civil servants are threatened with
>dismissal under no basis,illegal detentions,and massive looting of poor tax
>payers money just to name a few.
>
>
>Gambia Government under fire
>As Commonwealth decries human rights record
>
>The government of President Yahya Jammeh has been seriously lambasted at
>the
>Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) in Durban, South Africa.
>Both human rights activists and the Commonwealth Ministerial Action Group
>(CMAG) criticised the Gambian Government for 'gross human rights
>violations,
>political incorrectness and lack of freedom for the press' amongst other
>things.
>
>According to the CMAG report submitted before CHOGM, the Jammeh
>administration had violated the Harare principles, contravening good
>governance and democratic practices. The report highlighted Decree 89 that
>banned former politicians from the ousted Jawara regime from participating
>in politics. It also highlighted military decrees that violate the
>constitution or international legal obligations. CMAG further submitted
>that
>while constitutional rule had returned, The Gambia's status is deeply
>compromised by the continued existence on the statute books of archaic laws
>and repressive military decrees and restrictions and harassment of
>opposition activists.
>
>Several cases were reported including the closure by the government of
>Citizen FM radio station in February 1998, the sacking of two leading
>journalists Demba Jawo and Theophilus George and the purchase of the Daily
>Observer by a businessman believed to be close to the government.
>
>The temporary closure of The Independent newspaper in August 1999 and the
>detention of its editors were assessed as politically motivated action by
>the report. The detention of Alieu Badara Sowe in September 1999 was also
>highlighted.
>
>Article 19, a London based human rights organisation, also urged CMAG to
>put
>pressure on the Government of The Gambia to improve its compliance with the
>Harare principles and further urged CMAG to send a high level mission to
>review the human rights situation in The Gambia. Article 19 further urged
>international donors to use their influence with the Gambia Government to
>ensure that the National Communication and Information Policy fully accords
>with international standards before providing financial assistance for its
>implementation. Article 19 further recommended to CMAG that the Gambia
>Government be required to repeal those military decrees which violate the
>constitution or international legal obligations; end all harassment of
>journalists including periodic threats to deport non-Gambians as
>journalists
>and opposition activists; allow Citizen FM radio to resume broadcasting
>immediately and return all equipment confiscated from the owners in 1998,
>commit itself to creating a National Communication and Information Policy
>(NACIP) which fully accords with international standards and not establish
>regulatory bodies such as the National Media Commission until such time as
>the NACIP policy is in place. They further urged that the government commit
>itself to guaranteeing, by law, the editorial and operational independence
>of the Gambia Radio and Television Services.
>
>Don Mckinnon, the newly elected Commonwealth Secretary-General, told
>journalists that The Gambia still remained in the books of CMAG. He also
>said specifically that Decree 89 contravened good governance, and is
>'undemocratic'. He urged the Jammeh government to review all military
>decrees.
>
>Kaye Whiteman, the Commonwealth's summit spokesperson said at a press
>briefing that President Jammeh had extended an invitation to CMAG to visit
>The Gambia and assess its human rights and democratic practices.
>
>*** photo caption:Don Mckinnon will take over as Secretary General of the
>Commonwealth in 2000..
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Was wondering if you had any idea how I could get in touch with his management.
Thanks,
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HOW DO GAMBIANS SEE JAWARA'S OFFER TO FINISH ANOTHER TERM IN OFFICE?
The news dispatched by Dr Amadou Janneh on former President Jawara's visit
to Miami on Sunday, 14 November 1999 is quite interesting.
According to Dr janneh's report, 150 people attended a reception organised
for Jawara. Mr Abdou Sara Janha, former Secretary general and head of the
civil service+ADs- Mr Mbemba Jatta, former Minister of Trade, Industry and
Employment were said to be present. Mr Kebba Jallow, former Chairman of the
Kanifing Municipal Council is said to have chaired the meeting.
According to the report by Dr Janneh the format of the programme did not
provide a question and answer session.
According to Dr Janneh, ex-President Jawara underscored his regime's record
on human rights adding that only one execution was carried out during his
tenure despite crimes associated with the 1981 attempted coup+ADs- that the
current government is a military government in civilian clothes+ADs- that it has
become more repressive since its attempted civilianization.
On the question of development projects, Dr Janneh indicated that Jawara
claimed that many of the projects associated with the APRC as success
stories were actually initiated by his administration. He is said to have
commented on the construction of schools by the APRC by asserting that there
is more to educational development than simply putting up buildings
everywhere+ADs- that he claimed that the audience are quite informed of the
achievements of his government.
On corruption, Jawara is said to have denied categorically that his
administration has been corrupt+ADs- that the APRC has long forgotten the
concept of accountability, transparency and probity+ADs- that he is surprised
that journalists and academics believed in Jammeh's propaganda+ADs- that his
government stole millions of dalasi worth of the country's resources+ADs- that
he made counter claims of the siphoning of loans by the APRC and added that
after rewarding themselves for dangers faced to carry out the coup, the
leaders were able to find wives.
On the question of tribalism, Jawara is aid to have expressed dismay that
tribalism is on the rise+ADs- that this phenomenon was unheard of during his
tenure+ADs- that he blamed the APRC for the surge.
On establishing limits to the number of terms a President could serve in
office, Jawara is said to have criticised the APRC for failing to include
term limits in the constitution despite overwhelming popular support for the
inclusion of such a provision.
On the question of unity, Jawara is said to have praised those in attendance
at the Atlanta reception for exhibiting unity and added that unity was a key
to success in dealing with the country's many challenges including what he
termed as the struggle against the military regime in The Gambia.
On his attitude to the APRC. Dr Janneh indicated that according to Jawara if
Jammeh steps down he would be given some form of amnesty+ADs- that he ruled out
any negotiation with the APRC+ADs- that this would only be used by them to stay
in power+ADs- that he cautioned that the type of amnesty he would give would not
be as extensive as the one APRC gave themselves under what he referred to as
the so-called constitution.
On what should be the attitude of the people towards the APRC, Dr Janneh
said that Jawara called on the people especially civil servants to engage in
civil disobedience and show their opposition to the policies of the APRC+ADs-
that the Gambian community in Atlanta should engage in mass demonstrations
and lobby influential figures such as former U.S. President, Jimmy Carter
for support+ADs- that he said that if they do this they would be able to get the
spotlight in the media.
FOROYAA'S COMMENT
Gambians who spend their time comparing Jawara's regime with Jammeh's will
not be helping the nation to carve a new future.
In short, those who praise the past are simply giving Jammeh the impression
that Gambians are buffoons who will accept any ruler to live at their
expense and be welcomed for decades. Those who praise the present are simply
telling those who lived extravagantly at the expense of the people in the
past that they could have continued doing so for many more decades without
public disapproval.
If Gambians are to be faithful to common sense, maturity, truth and justice,
they should expose the rottenness of both the past and the present and show
that they are not anybody's sheep or donkey.
In this regard, FOROYAA will publish a special review on Thursday on
Jawara's legacy and Jammeh's foot path to the future.
We will compare the Auditor General's Report during Jawara's regime and the
one under Jammeh's regime. We will calculate the revenue accumulated over
the years, show how the people pay taxes, argue that it is the height of
deceit for any leader to claim to do anything for the people, examine the
human rights situation, the electoral system, the media and so on and so
forth.
Our object is to justify why Gambia should look towards a better future than
look towards the past or be content with the present. It would be the height
of naivety to take another posture.
In short, the fact that a President who was in power for decades and is
still interested in power rather than supporting a party of his choice in
The Gambia while arguing about limit in term of office of the President
clearly confirms that he sees the people to be very naive and ignorant.
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THE TAX BURDEN
52+ACU- Tax On Fuel
Scraping The Back Of The People Just Like Before
FOROYAA has long cautioned the APRC regime, as it did when its predecessor,
the PPP regime was in office, that without a productive base the state must
scrape the back of the people through taxation in order to meet the
disproportionate incomes of its political elites and provide diminishing
social services.
After three decades of managing the affairs of this country, the PPP regime
left a country without a viable private or public sector. After five years
of managing the affairs of this country, the APRC regime finds it impossible
to build a viable private and public sector.
For example, in 1991/1992 financial year, Company tax yielded only D50.7
million out of a total revenue of D638.8 million. In 1993/94, Company Tax
yielded just D73.4 million out of a total revenue amounting to D766.7
million.
This clearly shows a very insignificant growth of the private sector.
In 1994/95, Company Tax yielded D88.2 million as compared to a total revenue
of D728.3 million. In 1995/96, Company Tax contributed D65 million as
compared to a total income of D698.4 million. In 1996/97, Company Tax
contributed D93 million to the revenue as compared to a total revenue
amounting to D762.6 million. In 1997, Company Tax contributed D84.4 million
to the national revenue as compared to a total revenue amounting to D770.1
million. In 1998, Company tax contributed D90.7 million to the national
income as compared to a total income amounting to D786.3 million. In 1999,
it is estimated that Company tax will contribute D93 million to the national
income.
Hence, it is clear that this country cannot rely on its tiny private sector
to earn income to provide services. In fact, the private sector is
complaining of too much taxation already. Where then is the government to
get funds to provide services?
Well, it could do so by maintaining a productive base which could generate
income. However, nothing much has been done to build and maintain such a
productive base.
In fact, the PPP before and the APRC now are doing everything to dispose of
the productive base of the government. Readers would recall that Jawara
inherited a viable oil producing factory at Denton Bridge. Instead of
investing and modernising the facility out of its deposits which stood at
D101 million in 1978, it allowed the profitability of the company to
deteriorate to the point of being completely bankrupt.
In 1993, the Jawara regime sold GPMB for D20 million. It gave the impression
that the Cooperative Union was a shareholder and agreed for payment to be
done by Alimenta by instalment. D6 million was paid in 1993+ADs- D7 million was
to be paid in 1994 and another D7 million in 1995. Today, the GPMB oil mill
is gathering dust. This is the legacy of the PPP.
Needless to say, the Gambia Commercial and Development bank with a total
assets of D192 million in 1982 was driven to total bankruptcy and disposed
for D20 million.
The Cooperative Union was driven to total bankruptcy and the PPP regime
ended up by constituting a commission of enquiry after they found nothing
more than D40 in its account.
The PPP Government sold the NTC, Dockyard, Nyambai Forest Saw Mill and so on
and so forth.
The APRC regime started by giving the impression that it is going to restore
the health of the productive base of the economy. It claims that the Assets
Management and Recovery Corporation has collected over D133 million.
However, nothing is done to invest the sum in the productive base of the
economy.
Government could have developed partnership with local entrepreneurs to make
Pal Grove Hotel productive instead of disposing it of. They could have
bought shares in Air Dabia instead of selling the assets. Today, government
assets are being put up for sale. Cooperative Union has been liquidated
after incurring liability of D209 million.
Like its predecessor, the government, therefore, relies entirely on direct
and indirect taxes to pay its debts and maintain services.
This is why the Secretary of State for Finance and economic Affairs has
exercised his powers under Section 5, subsection (3) of the Customs Tariff
Act to prescribe the following rates for duty on petroleum products and
other items:
Petrol which costs D7.75 per litre incurs a tax amounting to D4.10 per
litre. Gas oil which costs D5.50 per litre incurs a duty amounting to D2.35
per litre.
New vehicles incur 20+ACU- duty. Used vehicles with values under D25,000 incur
duty of D10,000 flat which means that the duty cannot be less than 40+ACU-.
Soap, wheel barrows, sugar, confectioneries, nails incur 20+ACU- duty.
Import duty constitute the basis of the national income and this duty is
passed on to the consumers by importers. Tax on goods and services and tax
on international trade provides for 80+ACU- of the total government revenue.
The people need to consider whether this is the type of economy they wish to
have. If not, they should ask each political party for an alternative policy
to a tax based source of government revenue.
Those who have no answer to this issue can never stop scraping the backs of
the people to maintain salaries and services.
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HOW PREPARED IS THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE TRADE SEASON?
December is fast approaching. The groundnut price has been put at D2700 per
tonne. December 15 is declared to be the beginning of the trade season. Who
is going to purchase the groundnuts from the Cooperative Societies? Who will
finance the whole trade? These are yet to be clear.
The Secretary of State has stated that their negotiation with the Gambia
Ground Corporation is still on. It is not at all clear whether GGC will be a
purchaser of the nuts of the Cooperative Societies.
Readers would recall that many farmers sold their nuts to Senegal. Other
stored their nuts and started to sell them at the weekly markets or lumoos.
Our investigation revealed that lumoos were so saturated with nuts that the
price fell. Companies outside the country took advantage of this and started
to buy and transport nuts to Senegal.
We hope this will not happen in the next trade season. We need transparency
to avoid yesterday's crisis. There is need for diversification of buyers of
the nuts. The Secretary of State for Agriculture needs to coordinate with
the Secretary of State for Trade to seek marketing outlets for nuts. Even
Russia can be an outlet for marketing nuts. Ways and means should be sought
to find out the sources for marketing the crop.
It would be unpardonable for farmers to take their crops for sale to
Cooperative societies only to b given pieces of paper promising future
payment instead of receiving money for their nuts. The role of the
government is not to misrepresent the people.
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Jaajef Modou,
In response to your posting, I would like to offer a different view of =
this topic written by a Muslim Woman. It would be interesting to hear your =
comments on this point. I think it is important because of the debate over =
Women in contemporary society and Islam which we can struggle with, =
remembering that ultimately none of us is or can be the sole guardian of =
the Truth, and that we also ultimately take sole responsibility for our =
beliefs and interpretations. As you state in your posting =22Allah knows =
best and may He, Jalla wa Ala, guide all of us to worship Him in the best =
manner. Allahumma a=27inna ala dhikrika wa shukrika wa husni ibaadatika=22.=
Yeendu ak jaama
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Haj and Freedom? Not for women it seems?
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Salma Said
Women are often the sacrificial lambs when Muslims have to =
deal
with =22problems=22 in our community. Men are unable to =
control their
libidos so women are punished * confined to the homes, =
relegated to galleries (in mosques) and their voices suppressed. That =
women fall victim to chauvinistic laws is not surprising, considering =
that the community, men and women, are often fed with selective informatio=
n.
Regulations around gender and haj starkly illustrate one type of =
chauvinism. Not too long ago the Saudi Government introduced a =
law that forbade women under the age of 45 from undertaking the haj =
without a mahram (either a husband or a man she cannot marry, like a close =
relative). This meant that women under 45 could go for haj only if there =
was a mahram willing to =22take her=22 for haj.
Previously, women were allowed for haj in groups without a =
mahram. Among most schools of thought it is accepted that a =
woman may travel with a group of trustworthy women or even with a trusted =
woman companion. There is also a view that a woman may travel by herself, =
provided the way to haj or =A1umrah is safe. The Prophet (s) is =
reported to have replied to a man who complained about highway =
robbery, =22If you lived long enough you will see that a woman will =
travel from Hira (in Iraq) and will perform tawaf around Ka=A2bah, and =
she will have no fear except that of Allah.=22
The Qur=A2an speaks of the peace, security and freedom from =
fear at Makkah. =22Behold, the First Temple ever set up for humankind was
indeed the one at Bakkah (Makkah): rich in blessing, and a (source
of) guidance unto all the worlds. (It is) the place whereupon =
Abraham once stood; and whoever enters it finds inner peace and
freedom from fear. Hence Pilgrimage unto the Temple is a duty owed to =
Allah by all people who are able to undertake it. And as for those
who deny the truth, verily Allah does not stand in need of anything in
all the worlds=22 (Qur=A2an 3:96-97).
We need to recall only the story of Hajar (s), to have a proper =
perspective of the issue. She stayed in the desert with her infant son
Isma=A2il because of her faith in God, and her fear for God alone. She =
did not have a mahram, she survived with the infant by striving to
take care of herself and her son with the help of God. Ibn =A1Abbas
relates the incident thus: =22Prophet Ibrahim (s) brought Hajar (s), his =
wife, and their son Isma=A2il (s), whom she was still nursing, and =
left
them at the House of Allah under a tree above the Zamzam. Makkah at =
that time was a place where there was neither water nor any =
dweller. He left a bag of dates and a container of water for them. =
Then Ibrahim (s) turned to go away. Isma=A2il=A2s mother said to him, =
=A1O Ibrahim=21 Where are you going? And who are you leaving us =
to in this valley without a companion or a thing?=A2 She repeated =
this several times but he did not respond. At last she asked =
him, =A1Has Allah commanded you to do so?=A2 He answered, =
=A1Yes.=A2 Thereupon she said, =A1Then He will not let us =
perish=21=A2 (Bukhari).
One cannot help but be inspired by this black slave woman who =
actively strove to please Allah and survive in the harsh desert. One =
must remember that a central person whom Muslims follow during =
the haj is Imama Hajar, a woman.
Women had been performing haj and =A1umrah, travelling in groups, =
enjoying the haram=A2s security and access to the Houses of Allah * =
which is denied to them in some parts of the world. This freedom =
was then snatched away from an already suppressed group within the =
community. If the Saudis wanted to control the numbers entering =
Arabia they could surely have used other methods. But it is easier =
and one is less likely to face resistance if one deprives a sector =
that already does not have a voice.
The mahram law effectively bars some Muslims from fulfilling a =
religious obligation (fard). There are many reverts particularly, on =
whom haj has become obligatory but who don=A2t have Muslim =
mahrams. This is especially true in a Muslim minority country like =
South Africa. The recently-formed South African Haj and =A1Umrah =
Council, whose task it is top ease the way for South African hujjaj, =
should challenge this regulation and request an exemption to this =
kind of discrimination.
Once a Muslim has the means to perform haj it becomes obligatory =
on him or her. One never knows what the future holds; deferring the =
haj could mean that one would lose the opportunity and means to =
perform it. Ibn =A1Abbas related that the Prophet (s) said: =22He who =
intends to perform haj let him do so expeditiously, for he may =
well fall sick, may lose his mount (ability to bear expenses of =
the journey) or may be prevented by some other exigency.=22
The strange exemption for women over 45 indicates the mind set =
behind the law. It seems to be more about sex than safety.
Besides the mahram law, many other (official and unofficial) =
regulations on haj are riddled with many prohibitions for women =
which cannot be attributed to the Prophet (s): they must not make =
ramal (brisk walk) while making tawaf; they must not jog the short =
distance between Safa and Marwa * the Milain Akhdarain * (even =
though the act is to commemorate a woman Hajar, who ran from =
Safa to Marwa); they must not make their way to the Hajarul Aswad =
or pray near the Maqam Ibrahim; and books distributed in South =
Africa claim they must perform all their salah in their =
apartments/hotels and not in the Haram; they must perform the tawaf =
on the outskirts and not try to get close to the Ka=A2bah; in a crowd of =
hundreds of thouands they must keep a clear distance from men; they =
must not say the talbiyyah aloud...
Yes, the Prophet and Allah stress that there is no need to overburden =
oneself. But only the individual knows the burden he or she can carry and =
should have the right to choose the most convenient. Gender cannot be =
the criterion for deciding one=A2s ability for these rituals
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>>> Momodou Mbye Jabang <m8710027=40MAIL.NPUST.EDU.TW> 19/November/1999 =
04:39pm >>>
Assalaamu alaikum Sister Jabou,
Alhamdulillah and among the projects in the pipeline is to go through the =
rites of Hajj and Umrah by Sh. al-Albani step by step after Ramadhan =
inshaAllah. By Allah=27s leave, this topic will be revisited.=20
According to a ruling from the book =27Fatawas Regarding Women=27, =
translated by Sh. Zarabozo www.dar-us-salam.com, marriage is not a =
prerequisite for women to perform Hajj or Umra. However, a =27mahram=27 is =
a condition according to some scholars, and they have very strong proofs =
from the Sunnah. What is interesting though, is that apparently Imaam =
Malik, as-Shafi=27i and al-Auzai (a contemporary of Imaam Malik; although =
his school of thought did not flourish but his knowledge of fiqh - =
jurisprudence - was equated with Imaam Malik=27s) all had a different =
opinion from the one below as you will see. However, I have not seen the =
evidence they have given for their rulings.=20
The ruling below has been traced back to Imaams Hasan-al-Basri, Ahmad bin =
Hanbal and Ishaq bin Rahawaih among others. And their proofs are strong as =
mentioned earlier. Allah knows best and may He, Jalla wa Ala, guide all of =
us to worship Him in the best manner. Allahumma a=27inna ala dhikrika wa =
shukrika wa husni ibaadatika. O=27 Allah, help us in remembering you, =
thanking you and worshipping you in the best manner.=20
Definition of Mahram
. Mahram refers to the husband or a male relative whose relationship to =
the woman, due to blood, breast feeding or marriage relations, is such =
that they are never allowed to be married.--Jamal Zarabozo=20
The ulamaa=27 have listed five conditions for a person to be considered
a mahram. He should be male, Muslim, adult, and of sound mind, and
he should be a relative to whom marriage is permanently forbidden,
such as a father, brother, paternal uncle, maternal uncle, father in law,
mother=27s husband or brother through radaa=27ah (breastfeeding), etc. =
(as
opposed to relatives to whom marriage is temporarily forbidden, such
as a sister=27s husband, paternal aunt=27s husband, maternal aunt=27s
husband).---Sh. al-Munajjid.=20
The One Who Does not Have a =22Male Relative=22 is Not Obliged to Perform =
Hajj
Question: A woman well-known for her piety, in her middle ages or close to =
being elderly, wants to make the Hajj of Islam. However, she does not have =
a mahram1. From the same country there is a man who is well-known for his =
piety who wants to make Hajj and he is traveling with women whom he is =
related to. Is it proper for that woman to make Hajj with this man and the =
women he is traveling with, being among the women with the man watching =
over them? Does she have to perform the Hajj or is this requirement =
dropped from her since she does not have a mahram, even though she is =
financially capable? Give us a response, may Allah reward you.=20
Response: The woman who does not have a mahram is not obligated to perform =
the Hajj. This is because a mahram, with respect to her, is part of the =
necessary aspects of having the means to perform the Hajj. Having the =
means is one of the conditions for the obligatory nature of Hajj. Allah =
Says:
=22And Hajj to the House is a duty that mankind owes to Allah, those who =
can afford the expenses.=22 (al-Imran 97)
It is not allowed for her to travel for Hajj or otherwise without her =
husband or a mahram. This is based on what al-Bukhari recorded that the =
Prophet (peace be upon him) said,
=22It is not allowed for a woman to travel a day and night=27s distance =
except with a mahram.=22
Al-Bukhari and Muslim also recorded from ibn Abbas that he heard the =
Prophet (peace be upon him) say,
=22A man cannot be alone with a woman unless in the presence of a mahram =
of hers. And a woman does not travel except along with a mahram.=22 A man =
said, =22O Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) my wife has left to make =
the Hajj and I have enlisted for such and such expedition.=22 He said, =
=22Go and make Hajj with your wife.=22
This is the opinion of al-Hasan, al-Nakhai, Ahmad, Ishaq, ibn al-Mundhir =
and the scholars of juristic reasoning (ashab al-ra=27i). It is the =
correct opinion because it is in agreement with the generality of the =
Hadith of the Prophet that prohibits women from travelling without a =
husband or mahram. Malik, al-Shafi=27i and al-Auza=27i have a differing =
opinion. They all state conditions for which they have no evidence. Ibn =
al-Mundhir stated, =22They all abandon the clear, obvious meaning of the =
Hadith and lay down conditions for which they have no evidence.=22=20
The Standing Committee
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Footnote
1. Mahram refers to the husband or a male relative whose relationship to =
the woman, due to blood, breast feeding or marriage relations, is such =
that they are never allowed to be married.--JZ=20
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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Cross posted from a different mailing list...For those interested.
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Dear Debora,
I'm writing to say hi, but also to pick your brain. DePaul has just
started a search for a new Director of Foreign Studies. The position
will now be a full-time staff job, not part of a faculty position, as
it was in the past. The ad is in whatever the major foreign studies
journal is. The person has to have a miminum of an M.A., but I
think our dean would really be more interested in someone with a
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Alpha Robinson,
I've just to returned to Birmingham, from London, and I saw your wonderful
piece captioned "Some Proposals for Gambia L".
Indeed, I found it quite inspiring and enlightening, and I hope it would get
a good response. Your points were well articulated and quite comprehensive
that I, for one, am finding it difficult to add anything of substance to
your piece.
Nonetheless, I'll take this opportunity and make a few comments. I'll be
brief.
First, Alpha, you couldn't have said it better when you suggested that it is
about time that we moved "beyond simply discussing issues to a new stage of
action; an action which will realistically transform the essence of our
concerns as reflected in our discussions from exchanges on the List to some
form of collective action."
I totally concur with you on this point, and I must say here that you have
also identified quite a number of the common ground areas that should, in
fact, bring us together - regardless of party affiliations, loyalties etc -
in an attempt to help build a better Gambia.
I know it would be difficult, given our differences in thoughts and beliefs,
but, in my view, what we need to do, through the L, is to try and become a
unified body, whose sole interest would be to see the advancement of our
country and the betterment of the lives of her people.
For example, let us, as a unified body, condemn, in the strongest terms,
anything that is against the national interest of the Gambian people, but
give our collective support to any action/venture that would benefit the
Gambian people.
For instance, if the government of the day takes any action deemed to be
inimical to the national interest of the Gambian people, we should condemn
it forthwith and, of course, in the strongest terms possible.
On the other hand, if the government of the day takes decisions/actions that
would, in our collective view, improve the living conditions of our people,
then that government needs to be applauded.
Equally, if the opposition parties are engaged, for example, in dirty
politics, we should, as a unified body, rebuke it, again without delay.
However, if we feel that the opposition parties were doing things that
needed to be praised, we should commend them.
As a unified body, our main goal, as it were, would be to see the
advancement of our country and the betterment of the lives of her people.
Let us support, as I already stated, any action deemed to be good for our
country and rebuff, without delay, and in the strongest terms, any
action/decision inimical to the national interest of the Gambian people.
We, meaning the unified Gambia L body envisaged, could act both as a
pressure group, crying foul whenever we see it; and as a support group,
giving our collective support, whenever we can, to any worthy cause - be it
in education, agriculture, sports or health.
The question now arises: How do we go about creating such a body? What we
need to do, in my view, is to form - through nomination or election - a
committee of, say, 10 people (men and women) out of the 600 members of
Gambia L.
Now, anytime there is something SERIOUSLY WRONG going on in our country -
whether perpetrated by the government, the opposition, the donor agencies or
even the press - and we believe that it needs our collective reaction, then
the role of the proposed committee comes into play.
The proposed Committee would then come to the L, and sound people's opinion
in terms of the collective action we should take to address a particular
problem/situation regarding our country.
For example, if an opposition leader is arrested by the Jammeh regime, and
we are convinced that such an arrest is unjustifiable, the proposed
committee would come to the List and ask list members what sort of action to
take to redress the situation.
If the majority feel that an open letter to Mr Jammeh, copied to the
International Community, would be appropriate, then the proposed committee
would draft an open letter, bring it to the L for discussion and, in that
case, amendments can be made to the draft letter if need be.
In any case, such an open letter will only be sent to the addressees if
approved by the majority.
Again, may God forbid, but if there was a disaster or a tragedy in the
country, this proposed committee would come back to the List and ask the
members about how we could collectively help with that particular
development.
In short, the proposed committee's main task would be to sound the opinion
of the members of Gambia L, on the sort of collection action to be taken
whenever the need arises.
However, as Alpha rightly pointed out, we should also recognise the fact
that there will always be some who would not like to associate themselves
with certain actions. So their decisions must be respected. The important
thing is that we have to make sure that whatever action we take is
supported/backed by the majority.
In my view, through our collection action, we can help promote and,
eventually, sustain good governance in the Gambia, for instance. And talking
about good governance, the proposed committee could, for example, on behalf
of Gambia L, urge the Jammeh regime to stop the harassment, arrest and
detention of its critics and opponents, solely for peacefully exercising
their right to freedom of expression, association and assembly.
Furthermore, even though the new Constitution was supposed to have
invalidated all the military decrees, there is evidence that at least, five
of these draconian Decrees are still retained by the Jammeh regime. These
are Decrees 45, 57, 70, 71, 89.
So the proposed Gambia L committee could again call on the government to
repeal these decrees which, no doubt, threaten freedom of expression and
association.
Decree 45, which established the National Intelligence Agency in June 1995,
and gave it sweeping powers, including the power to tap phones, faxes and
arrest suspects without producing an arrest warrant, is still in existence.
Decree 89, enacted in August 1996, also remains in place. The decree banned
the three political parties - NCP, PPP, GPP - from contesting the 1996
elections.
Decree 70, 71, issued in February 1996, to modify the Newspaper Act, is also
in existence. Both decrees impose a massive fine for any contravention of
the Newspaper Act.
Lastly, the Jammeh regime needs to be reminded of need to always enforce the
provision in the new Constitution which stipulates that "No one shall be
subjected to arbitrary arrest or detention".....
In my view, if the members of the L needed a wake up call, Alpha's posting
has certainly provided one. We now have the chance to come together as a
unified body and work towards the advancement of our country and the
betterment of the lives of her people.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
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Thanks Alpha. The proposals are good and i suspect that there are many =
Gambians who might have been brooding on the same things. When it comes =
to defending the interest of our people and to contribute positively =
towards developmental activities reason and sense of love for our people =
should lead. Here, we need not to be divided because of loyalties as =
rightly mentioned, it should instead be a point of convergence to allow =
combination of efforts, experiences and resources. There is definitely a =
high need to coin new methods and approaches if we are to move forward.
We have all the good theories but plagued by a gross defficiency of =
practice. This needs to be cured in order to put words into action.
Those who are interested in a given area either by qualification or =
occupation, could begin to identify each other, network, draw plans, =
strategize their activities and resources and start putting words into =
action. All these could be done through consultation. This is one "HOW"?
However, it should be noted that this will be impossible or rather too =
difficult to pursue without a high degree of honesty and commitment. It =
will require some amount of organisational strength. To acquire that, we =
need to endeavour into forming units, groups, structures etc in our =
various countries of residence, so that responsible modes of =
coordination and operation could be assured. The idea is to resuscitate =
and maintain strong linkages and support lines to ensure effectivity and =
safeguard our interest. Just as GESO is functioning. To make things =
happen, people must take up responsibilities and willing to execute =
those responsibilities in the best of their abilities. That=B4s another =
"how"?
We here in Stockholm have formed a group called the Gambians In =
Solidarity Work since the beginning of 1997. The aim is to respond to =
disaster relief activities in the Gambia and to contribute both material =
and human resources in positive people oriented developmental programmes =
where feasible. At that very innitial inception of the group, we were =
faced with a fire disaster situation were a number of compounds were =
destroyed in Sutokoba and Foday Kunda in the Wuli district. The group =
engaged in mobilization and collection of clothes and curtains which =
were pressed and made into bales. The bales together with other =
materials donated by the Organisation of Gambians in Sweden (OGIS) were =
sent to the Gambia. It was the OGIS which financed the shipment of that =
container.
At another level, the Aid Committee of the OGIS has just completed its =
series of Fund Raising activities on the 19/11/99. The aim is to assist =
in sending a container that is ready for shipment to the Gambia for the =
Gambia Association of the Physically Disabled (GAPD). The collection and =
containerisation of the technical aids (wheelchairs, crutches, spare =
parts etc) were done by a Swedish NGO called EMMAUS. The GAPD has =
negotiated a five year Technical Aids Support Project (1997-2001) with =
Swedish based NGOs (SHIA, RBU and EMMAUS). The yearly shipment of a =
container is were the GAPD=B4s constraint lies and their appeal for =
assistance is genuine.
The committee also has it as an aim to contribute towards the flood =
disaster relief services should the resources collected from the Fund =
Raising activities be enough to cater for both.
As Alpha mentioned, in the case of the allegation that branded Gambians =
as the champions of drug peddling in Sweden could have been condemned =
from a broader platform should unified voices and actions were in place. =
Nevertheless, some actions have been taken locally here in Sweden to =
restore justice and human rights. Charges were put forward in the =
offices of the Discrimination Ombudsman (DO) and the Press Ombudsman(PO) =
against the police authorities and the DN a daily newspaper which =
published the unrefined and discriminatory report against Gambians.
African Viewpoint a bi-monthly newspaper publish by the Africa Research =
and Information Bureau in Sweden(ARIBIS) has been following the case and =
you can access some of the developments at http://www.aribis.home.se =20
To conclude, i would like to reiterate the fact that there is a need to =
form units, groups, structures or whatever one would like to call it for =
effectivity. At every stage, the community must be involved for =
sustainability. Community participation is considered as the mainspring =
of social development, yet it is often stronger in rhetoric than in =
reality.
Surahata=20
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=C4mne: Some proposals for Gambia-L
>Dear Gambia-L members,
>
>The proposals I am about to put forward have been in my mind for some
>time now. Privately I have discussed them with some members of the List
>and yet I had not come forth with it until now. The main reason behind
>the long hesitation is my resolve not to start anything which I cannot
>give full attention, time and energy to. I thought that once put =
forward
>the ideas will be embraced by at least some list members, leaving me
>with the option to either let it float around for some time and perhaps
>eventually sink into oblivion or to inject life into it and transform =
it
>into action. Even though I still do not feel ready for it, I am
>encouraged by recent discussions under the heading "It is time to Heal
>Self and Nation" to such an extent that I feel compelled to shared =
these
>thoughts with you.
>
>The driving force behind these proposals is first and foremost the
>desire to move beyond simply discussing, to a new stage of action;
>action which will realistically transform the essence of our concerns =
as
>reflected in our discussions from exchanges on the List to some form of
>collective action. I will illustrate the kind of action I am referring
>to later. Before doing so let me first start by identifying some common
>ground from which I believe common action can be launched. I will try =
to
>keep the list modest in an attempt not to draw up over-ambitious plans
>which will collect dust in the annals of Gambia-L archives. I am sure
>others will come up with realistic proposals too.
>
>As already observed by other List members, it would appear that many of
>us on the List, if not all, do share a common aspiration of a better
>Gambia. What a better Gambia means to each and everyone and how to
>achieve it may be different, but I believe we will all agree that if =
the
>People of the Gambia can freely decide who should rule the country
>without fear or uninformed hopes of gaining a few colanuts, in the
>interest of the country and further reserve the right to remove leaders
>who do not act in their interest, a good beginning would have been set
>for the country. This is therefore one area in which we can agree,
>despite our various believes, orientations and loyalties, and launch
>some common action.
>
>Another area where we can certainly find common ground is on national
>unity. The days before the last elections in 1994 were unfortunately
>characterised by dangerous ethnic political propaganda. It is no secret
>that some politicians tried to use their ethnic origin to muster =
support
>by propagating the idea that Gambia must be ruled by this or that =
ethnic
>group. Recent events have shown that this ugly demon is still with us.
>Ethnic politics as we know, looking back at experiences from Liberia,
>Sierra Leone, Burundi etc. can benefit no one. It amounts to a group of
>very unscrupulous people using the ignorance of the people to secure
>their own selfish interest only to run away and seek refuge when thing
>get out of control and especially when their own lives are threatened;
>indeed they run, scream and crawl to ask for pardon after bringing ruin
>to their own people including those from the same ethnic group. So here
>too we can identify a common ground. Any action by any group of people,
>be they a political grouping or not, be they the party ruling the
>country or not, should be unanimously condemned with a united
>uncompromising voice.
>
>Many members in this list are living abroad. As such we are subjected =
to
>certain common problems whose redress can only be enhanced by common
>action. For example, sometime ago the question of double citizenship =
was
>discussed in this forum. Some people it would appear were forced to
>abandon their Gambian citizenship not because their country of =
residence
>prohibits dual citizenship but rather because of some uncertainties on
>the Gambian side. Hence these people are forced to become foreigners in
>their country of origin when we all know that most Gambians abroad are
>proud of their Gambian heritage, but are sometimes forced by
>circumstances to seek the nationality of their country of residence as =
a
>matter of convenience.
>
>The behaviour of the Swedish police in Stockholm, whose chief for the
>Stockholm area officially criminalised all Gambians and threatened to
>take draconian action against all Gambians is another example. Whereas
>this case was in a way extreme, it is common knowledge that Gambians =
and
>Africans in general are vulnerable to such forms of institutional
>discrimination. Together we can at least take common action to condemn
>such acts and request those ruling the Gambia at that particular time =
to
>officially condemn such acts. In both of these cases one can easily =
find
>common ground for action in the interest of Gambians living abroad.
>
>As Gambians living abroad we can also think of ways in which we can =
make
>positive contributions to the situation at home. In fact some work is
>already going on in this area, for example, GESO and the Book Project.
>But perhaps we can also contribute to emergency relief in times of
>tragedy or disaster. The recent floods were a typical case where our
>contribution could have made a great difference for a number of =
affected
>people. A Relief funds could have been established to complement the
>efforts of other citizens and institutions who took up the task of
>organising relief work.
>
>Also, those who, by virtue of their qualifications, are in one way or
>the other able to offer their services to the country may think of
>forming expert groups to give advice and even participate directly in
>ongoing activities in their field of expertise. Such an act will under
>certain circumstances constitute a contribution to the betterment of =
the
>lives of the Gambian people. The so formed expert groups can get in
>touch with the ministries or institutions responsible for services in
>their fields and intervene positively where possible.
>
>Having highlighted some common grounds for common action I would now
>like to proceed to the question of who do we try to reach and what type
>of action may be considered. First of all The Gambia has its democratic
>institutions. By that I mean institutions which though imperfect, have
>been established either by our constitution or on its basis. To me
>therefore it is not only the Government of the day which should be
>addressed. Secondly, whether our democratic institutions are strong or
>weak, whether people in charge of running the affairs of the country do
>so satisfactorily or not is largely dependent on the level of awareness
>and involvement of the ordinary people in defending what is in their
>interest. Consequently it is my believe that we should enter into
>dialogue with institutions of Government, democratic institutions and
>last but most the Gambian people. But how?
>
>This brings us to the question of what action to consider. As far as
>contributing to disaster relief and in terms of knowledge I have =
already
>mentioned forming a relief fund and experts groups. In this regard, we
>can learn from the experiences of GESO. As far as offering our =
expertise
>is concerned, those who are qualified in their fields can even act as
>consultants. Rather than enriching other experts from elsewhere, The
>Gambia can even gain by offering fellow Gambians who are well qualified
>in their fields the chance to contribute and thereby divert at least
>part of the earnings into the home economy. Of course those with
>expertise to offer must clear for themselves all conflicts of interests
>concerning their present positions.
>
>As far as institutions are concerned, we may do well remembering that
>only the Gambian people can really bring about ultimate change by =
voting
>into office people who can manage the affairs of the country
>satisfactorily. The best way we can contribute to make those
>institutions effective, from a common stand as Gambia-L, is to try to
>identify some of the wrongs, shortcomings and mismanagement and propose
>ways to rectify these. But first we need to identify key institutions =
to
>address. The first one to come in mind is the executive. The president
>of The Gambia being the head of the executive will necessarily be one
>person we should address some of our concerns. Parliament is another
>institution to address our concerns to. The bar association and the
>ministry of justice are potential addressees of some concerns on the
>question of justice and human rights issues. The Independent Electoral
>Commission (IEC) should hear our concerns and proposals concerning a
>fair electoral system. Political parties should hear from us what kind
>of conduct we expect from them. Finally, through the media we should
>establish a forum to let our views known and exchange opinions with our
>fellow Gambians on the ground, who for one reason or the other are not
>members of
>Gambia-L.
>
>Let me give some examples. As said earlier, anything which promotes
>fairness in the electoral system and hence making it possible for
>Gambians to elect and if unsatisfied remove from office those who they
>so wish to, without fear will be a gain for all. As elections are due =
in
>about two years time, we can petition the IEC, members of parliament =
and
>the head of state to reduce the incredible deposit of five thousand
>Dalasis to be paid by election candidates. This will allow honest
>candidates who do not have wealth to display but sincere service to
>offer to the nation to contest elections. We can also petition all
>political parties and challenge parliamentarians to make laws to
>prohibit campaign based on ethnic origin. We can also petition the head
>of state and the IEC and challenge parliamentarians to make laws
>allowing all contending parties equal air time on radio and television.
>
>On the question of double citizenship for example, we can write to the
>head of state asking for clarification on the matter. At the same time,
>we can challenge parliamentarians to pass laws stating clearly that
>Gambians can have double citizenship under reasonable conditions.
>
>We can make our views known on the question of the increasingly
>difficult conditions which have to be met to register newspapers, on =
the
>kidnappings of the likes of Shyngle Nyassi etc. etc. should they recur.
>
>As far as the media is concerned, we have at least FOROYAA and GRTS
>through Tombong Saidy on board. I believe we can genuinely expect them
>to offer coverage to our views and concerns and if possible relay to us
>some of the views expressed by others outside of the list either in
>reaction to our actions or simply adding to the exchanges of views,
>which will only enrich the discussions.
>
>I have tried to restrict myself to common-ground issues, which can
>easily be accepted by most people irrespective of loyalties,
>affiliations etc. However, there will always be list members who may
>object to this or that case. This brings us to a question which was
>raised today; who is being referred to as we? As far as I am concerned
>"we" is being used to reflect the desire for collective action in the
>first place. Collective action will be the new stage I am advocating,
>just like others on the list. Yet we must be very clear on the fact =
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>there will always be some who would not like to associate themselves
>with certain actions. We have to respect that. "We" should therefore be
>simply restricted to the signatories to any given document generated
>through collective action. It must be made clear that not everyone on
>the List endorses every collective action. On the other hand, we should
>take note of the fact that the more we try to be reasonable the more
>people we will have on the side of collective action and, yes, the more
>effective our common voice will be. This calls for responsibility and
>maturity on our side. After all everybody is free to express any view =
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>the List as long as nobody is thereby insulted. Likewise anyone who
>wishes to go further can certainly look for other avenues to achieve
>their goals.
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>I have done some thinking about how we may approach some of the "hows",
>but first I will listen to others. I am sure there are many unanswered
>questions.
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Issue Areas: +economy/development+ +gender/women+
Summary Contents:
This posting contains several announcements of on-line
resources related to women's networking, on the occasion of
the 6th African Regional Conference on Women, hosted by the
Economic Commission for Africa (ECA) in Addis Ababa on
November 22-27, 1999. Included are (1) the press release from
the ECA announcing the meeting, (2) information on the Africa
Region Women's Networking Support Program of the Association
for Progressive Communications, and (3) a note on related
activities from Women'sNet in South Africa.
For additional related information in French, go to:
le site web des femmes d'Afrique francophone
http://www.famafrique.org
Enda Synfev
http://www.enda.sn/synfev/synfev.htm
Flame/Flamme, African Sisters On Line/Africaines En Ligne!
http://flamme.org
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ECA Press Release No. 91/1999
LEADING GENDER EXPERTS TO REVIEW AFRICA'S PROGRESS SINCE
BEIJING
Addis Ababa, 15 November 1999 (ECA) - Some 1,500 participants
drawn from senior levels of governments, civil society,
regional institutions, bilateral agencies, agencies of the
United Nations, and multilateral partners will meet in Addis
Ababa, Ethiopia from 22-27 November 1999 to take stock of
progress made by African countries in implementing strategies
for the empowerment of women agreed in Beijing in 1995.
The Sixth African Regional Conference on Women, organized by
the African Centre for Women (ACW) of the Economic Commission
for Africa (ECA), comes five years after the adoption of the
Dakar and Beijing Platforms for Action - which laid down
concrete targets for countries to meet in 12 critical areas of
concern. ECA is mandated by the General Assembly and African
governments to monitor the implementation of regional and
global conventions for the advancement of women in Africa.
Participants at the Conference will be able to share
information, assess the priorities different countries have
set for themselves, and review the specific programmes being
implemented at national level. It will also provide an
advocacy opportunity to kick-start the implementation of
national strategies in countries lagging behind in their
Beijing commitments.
The Conference has three main objectives:
- To evaluate the implementation of the Dakar and Beijing
Platforms for Action from National Progress Reports and
Thematic Evaluation Reports;
- To formulate a plan of action for the next five years; and
- To develop modalities for Africa's participation at the
Global Review (Beijing +5), to take place in the year 2000 in
New York as part of the Special Session of the UN General
Assembly.
The Conference also aims to contribute to the enhancement of
dialogue between governments and the civil society; sensitize
actors working on the 12 critical areas of concern of the
Beijing Platform for Action, on their roles and
responsibilities, as well as on the 'gender' approach to
development; and strengthen partnerships and South-South
exchange of experiences.
The Conference will involve plenary presentations of progress
reports on the implementation of the Platforms for Action,
twelve workshops for thematic evaluation, and the joint
preparation of a Plan of Action for the next five years, as
well as agreement on of modalities for Africa's participation
at the Global Review (Beijing +5).
The five-year action plan due to be adopted at the end of the
proceedings is expected to provide appropriate adjustment
strategies and redirect efforts towards greater achievement of
the targets set out in the Platform for Action. Participants
are also expected to adopt a Declaration of commitment by all
actors to the implementation of the Platform for Action.
(END)
The latest version of the Conference programme as well as
theme papers and other relevant background documents are
available on the ECA Web Site at: http://www.un.org/depts/eca
Full text of all speeches and statements will be available as
they become available, and can also be delivered by e-mail on
request.
For more information, please contact:
Peter da Costa Senior Communication Adviser
Economic Commission for Africa
P.O. Box 3001 Addis Ababa Ethiopia
Tel: +251-1-51 58 26; Fax: +251-1-51 03 65;
Cell: +251-9-20 17 94
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Web: http://www.un.org/depts/eca
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Women's Networking Support Programme
Africa region
[Contact details for APC-Women-Africa
Programme coordination and Francophone Africa: E-mail:
[log in to unmask], Web: http://www.enda.sn/synfev/synfev.htm
ENDA Synfev at ENDA, B.P. 3370 Dakar, Senegal Tel: 221 823 45
42, Fax: 221 822 26 95
Southern Africa: E-mail: [log in to unmask], Web:
http://womensnet.org.za
Women'sNet at SANGONeT
PO 31, Johannesburg 2000, South Africa. Tel: 27 11 838 69 43,
Fax: 27 11 492 10 58
East Africa: United Nations Economic Commission for Africa,
Africa Centre for Women, E-mail: [log in to unmask], PO
Box 3001, Addis-Ababa, Ethiopia. Tel: 251 1 51 89 19, Fax:
251 1 51 22 33]
Information and Communication Technologies: A Women's Agenda
We believe that it is essential to engage more women in
accessing and using Information and Communication Technologies
(ICTs) for equality and development in Africa. We believe that
women should be able to use ICTs strategically in support of
women's empowerment and agendas in order to:
* Facilitate networking and information exchange
* Support solidarity campaigns and collaborative actions
* Mainstream issues of concern to women
* Ensure that women are able to participate equally in civil
and public life
Who is APC-Women-Africa?
We are an African women's network of individual women and
women's organisations focussing on African women's empowerment
by : developing and disseminating information, providing
regional support, lobbying and advocating around gender and
ICT policy; delivering ICT training and conducting research in
the area of gender and ICTs
Can ICTs really make a difference?
We are convinced that globalisaton and the emerging
information society will either advance the status of women in
society or reinforce their marginalization. If we do not
engage and harness the tools which ICTs offer us, we will
further marginalise women's concerns.
African women already network and organise actions themselves.
Appropriate application of ICTs can enable women to access
information and knowledge which can assist in overcoming the
realities of poverty and exclusion.
The 1995 United Nations World Conference on Women (UNWCW) was
a major impetus for women's advances in the use of ICTs.
During the preparatory phase of the UNWCW, women were pioneers
in taking up the use of email for information exchange,
lobbying and campaigning.
Thought the Internet was a relatively new tool for women,
those who gained access and learned to use it were quick to
grasp its potential to facilitate the UNWCW agenda. Like many
other civil society organisations, these pioneers now
recognise the value of using ICTs in their work.
The development of ICTs is taking place in a global context of
gender inequalities. In Africa disparities exist amongst women
in terms of access to education, land, credit, literacy etc.
Gender intersects with many other differences and disparities
which also shape women's ICT needs and experiences such as:
race, ethnicity, class, culture, age, history, sexual
orientation, geographic location, disability. Poverty, war and
endemic violence against women are ever present realities in
the lives of many women living in Africa.
"ICTs .. bring profound changes to our communities. They
influence how we know and understand the world. They change
work methods and the ways in which we communicate. They affect
how we access and share information. They are also an
important source of power. By acquiring the equipment and
skills to use them, we gain access to that power." -- The
Internet: Getting Connected, published by the African Gender
Institute and Women's Net
ICT realities and Trends
Information can be a transformative tool and the acquisition
of appropriate knowledge has the potential to catalyze
development. Civil society is seeing :
* Access to mass media and communications are critical in
achieving their goals
* Large monopolies controlling media content which is leading
to homogenous representation of cultures, harmful content and
the regulation and censorship of ICTs
* Public pressure groups struggling to influence and change
the direction of the above trends.
"Indeed once trained, women's groups can harness the potential
of the Internet towards the common goal of a gender-balanced,
just and empowered society." -- Dorothy Kabagaju Okello,
Uganda
Key areas of concern:
There is an imbalance in the participation of women in ICTs.
The growth of ICTs is happening in a context of vast
inequalities, violence, poverty and political domination.
Although more women and women's networks are using the
Internet in their work since 1995, issues of basic access is
a primary area of concern. This prevents women from
appropriating ICTs to advance their missions and agendas.
Here are some of the key areas of concern which have emerged
since women began harnessing ICTs for development and women's
emancipation
Access and Infrastructure Issues
* Ensure governments and private sector prioritise basic
connectivity and infrastructure and include women in policy
decisions
* Engage the capacities of African women to facilitate access
to appropriate technologies, both new and old such as radio,
television, newspapers etc.
* Development of applications, products and services that
address the specific needs of women
* Support and development community telecentres and facilitate
the participation of women
Economic and development issues
* Ensure that the tools are applicable to diverse women's
needs.
* Harness ICTs for women's entrepreneurship
* Develop products for women in the informal sector to use
ICTs for commercial ventures
* Develop a critical mass of women able to use and appropriate
ICTs for their own empowerment
* Train and educate young girls in the fields of science and
technology
* Develop training and support materials in local languages
and encourage training of women by women.
"Women's access to information and technology has historically
been marginal. Harnessing the power of both is a critical step
in developing a genuine culture of gender equality." --
Anriette Esterhuysen, Director, SANGONeT, South Africa
Gender and cultural issues
* Develop awareness raising, training and information and
communication systems geared to women and girls
* Develop research programmes to document the vast indigenous
knowledge of women in critical sectors such as agriculture,
health, environment
* Gather gender-disagregated data
* Monitor how women use ICTs and how ICTs impact on gender
relationships
* Ensure that access to ICTs does not widen existing
disparaties between women
* Support the development of culturally relevant content
Political and Human rights issues
* Involve women in planning and decision making on ICT
policies and projects to ensure their relevance to the
communities in which they work
* Consult women at every level to understand the opportunities
and constraints of ICTs in their work
* Establish mechanisms that guarantee that women's needs are
taken into account in projects and programmes
"..information is one of the strongest tools of empowerment.."
-- African Platform for Action adopted by the Fifth Regional
Conference on Women, Dakar, November 1994
Beijing and beyond
As we reflect on the progress made by women since Dakar and
Beijing, these key concerns can serve as building blocks for
a wide variety of actions that are required to take up the ICT
challenge:
The Beijing Platform for Action reflects many of these
concerns, but efforts are needed to monitor whether - and to
what extent - they are being implemented.
More equitable and strategic use of ICTs by women can
contribute towards addressing the other "critical areas of
concern" of the Beijing Platform.
The Beijing+5 process can involve many more women if
appropriate use is made of ICTs.
ICTs is a major development issue. If African women are not
actively present at all levels, we will see new forms of
marginalization that could undermine other advances made by
women in the 20th century. This implies a crucial challenge to
women to take on these issues themselves.
We are convinced that if women appropriate and use ICTs as
tools for collaborative actions, accessing information, and
sharing knowledge, ICTs can assist in challenging and changing
the devastation of poverty, marginalisation and inequality.
"Advances in information technology have opened up boundaries.
The role of women in global communication networks needs to be
strengthened. Barriers to such information technology and to
women's involvement at every level of its development should
be reduced"
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APC-Africa-Women
Beijing +5 Activities
[Women'sNet, a joint project of SANGONeT
(http://www.sn.apc.org) and the Commission on Gender Equality
(http://www.cge.org.za), is a platform for South African
women's voices and issues. You can find us online at
http://womensnet.org.za
Tell us what you're doing for Beijing +5! Send us a message at
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Women'sNet as a member of the Association for Progressive
Communication's Women's Programme in Africa (APC-Africa-Women)
is implementing a range of activities to facilitate the
preparation and participation of African women' s NGOs in the
global review of the implementation of the Beijing Platform
for Action to be held in New York in June 2000.
In preparation for, and on the occasion of the 6th African
Regional Conference on Women, APC-Africa-Women has embarked on
the following activities:
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Flame/Flamme, African Sisters On Line/Africaines En Ligne!
http://flamme.org
A Beijing +5 in Africa web site - an interactive information
resource for African women's NGOs - created for and by
African women.
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Flamme! African Women's
Online Meeting Space [log in to unmask]
An online discussion forum - Flamme! African Women's Online
Meeting Space will be officially launched during the 6th ARCW.
APC-Africa-Women and FEMNET, (the African Women's
Communication and Development Network) jointly invite you to
participate in discussions about how ICTs can be used to
implement the Dakar and Beijing Platforms for Action. To join
this mailing list go to Flame/Flamme web site at
http://www2.sn.apc.org/wncontacts/subscribing/flammeform.cfm
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Technical Training at the 6th African Regional Conference on
Women in Addis
APC-Africa-Women in partnership with the African Centre for
Women at the ECA is offering free technical training - in both
French and English - to women's NGOs registered to attend the
conference. Web publishing training and an Introduction to
the Internet will be conducted in English from the 18th to the
20th of November. And a French introductory Internet training
will be conducted on the 21st.
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"On Site/En Site"
A bilingual print and 'virtual' newsletter. "On Site/En Site"
will be published daily during the 6th ARCW (22 - 27
November). To track the news at the conference visit the
Flame/Flamme web site (http://flamme.org) from November 22nd.
On Site/En Site articles will also be distributed via the
Flamme! mailing list.
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African Women and ICTs - Research
The Flamme! mailing list will also be used to gather
experiences and views about at how Information and
Communication Technologies (ICTs) have made an impact on
African women's lives. The outcome of these discussions as
well as other research on women's use of ICTs in Africa since
Beijing will be presented in a status report at the Women 2000
(Beijing +5 mid term review) conference in New York City in
June 2000.
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Dear Madiba,
Thank you very much for being a good courier between George Ayittey and
myself. I hope you will transmit my response to his memorandum of 6 November
1999.
I went to Zanzibar and then to Ghana and came back on 21 November only to
discover a ton of mails waiting for me.
I must say that I am quite amused by the responses given by George Ayittey;
my friend, Cherno Baba, and an individual by the name Saul Khan whose claims
I will address to his satisfaction, hopefully.
Frankly speaking, I had expected George Ayittey to be an erudite
intellectual. I had anticipated that he would take up issue with me from a
completely different angle than he has adopted. If I were in his position, I
would have refused to engage in polemics and rather invite the contending
party for us to move away from the castigation and resort to the methodology
of social scientific enquiry.
Polemics is the art of exposing the weaknesses in the arguments of one's
opponents so as to refute the premises he or she seeks to defend. Polemics
starts with a strong conviction that the premise one wants to validate is
irrefutable. It is designed to ensure that people accept a given view of
things by convincingly refuting the premises which try to colloborate the
opposite view. Polemics starts with a conclusion just like lawyers start by
affirming the innocence or guilt of the accused aand then proceed to adduce
evidence to convince others to accept the truth that they hold.
Scientific enquiry, however, puts aside fore knowledge of a given reality.
It compels the enquirer to seek evidence objectively by putting emotions,
beliefs and convictions aside and pursue the hard facts. Scientific enquiry
calls for the collation of facts and their interpretation in such a way that
all reasonable persons could derive knowledge of a real situation.
Frankly speaking, if George Ayittey had done a scientific analysis of
Tanzania's political, economic, social and cultural development during the
Nyerere years, analysed the external and internal factors which enhanced or
restricted the development of Tanzania, interpreted the facts gathered, I
would have celebrated him as an honest African intellectual who wants us to
have a true knowledge of the African condition. I am sorry that George
Ayittey has not displayed such intellectual profundity.
I decided to challenge them for polemics precisely because he and his
colleague departed from the scientific method of enquiry and preferred to
engage in producing what is essentially a polemical literature. His
objective was clear from the very beginning of the article. The impression
they sought to give in their article is glaringly summed up in their
concluding remarks which read:
"Perhaps, this "reeducation" came a little too late but it validated the
adage that one never ceases to learn until death. In this sense, Nyerere was
a true teacher. But the supreme irony of it all is that, Julius Nyerere, who
denounced the British colonialists, should seek medical help from Britain
where he died of leukemia. But then again, who thought Sergei Kruschev, the
son of Soviet President, Nikita Kruschev, would take up U.S. citizenship
this year?
"May Nyerere rest quietly in peace."
This vain attempt to dismiss Nyerere and put his reputation into disrepute
is what I considered to be grossly unfair and irresponsible. It is amazing
that people like Cherno Baba consider Ayittey's article to be the work of a
scholar. I am sorry if Cherno Baba really knows what a scholar is.
Will a scholar start an article on this note?:
"Before the international media pundits/mavens elevate any African leader to
sainthood, a reality check with his own people is imperative for balance. At
the minimum, Africans should be allowed to choose their own saints, not
those imposed upon them by outsiders for that smacks of cultural imperialism
or intellectual arrogance.
"As the new millennium dawns, many Africans fervently hope that their old
generation of leaders would quietly fade away into the sunset. To be sure,
they did endure great personal sacrifice and fought gallantly for freedom
from colonial rule for their respective countries. But the
legacies they left behind bespeak of shattered economies, rampant
corruption, never-ending cycles of political instability, senseless
civil wars, wanton destruction, famine, and massive refugees. To deflect
attention away from their own domestic failures, they grandstand on the
world stage, railing against Western colonialism, imperialism, racism, the
IMF and the World Bank. To continuously celebrate them without a hint of the
unspeakable misery they bequeathed to their people is criminally
irresponsible."
Is this the way a scholar would introduce a professional article entitled
JULIUS NYERERE: A SAINT OR A KNAVE? Is this the way to pose research
questions?
What is a scholarly article?
A scholarly article must be faithful to the methodology of scientific
enquiry. It does not begin with value judgment. It may start with
hypotheses, the posing of research questions and the adoption of a
methodology to interrogate those questions in order to come up with facts
that are reliable enough for objective interpretation of a situation. Such
facts provide the basis to acquire knowledge of a situation and provide the
basis for a conceptual framework about a given situation.
Apparently, Cherno Baba's scholars had already drawn their conclusion before
drawing evidence and their colloboration. May be Cherno Baba does not know,
but Ayittey does know that he made a terrible blunder when he utilised this
pedantic method of trying to assassinate the character of Nyerere.
In fact, the emptiness of their conceptions is glaringly revealed in the
very opening of their article. They wrote that: "Before the international
media pundits/mavens elevate any African leader to sainthood, a reality
check with his own people is imperative for balance". Of course, this is
not enough for a social scientist to truly understand the characteristics
and nature of a country during the term of office of a given leader.
However, we will accept George Ayittey's premises and ask him the question
whether he has gone to Tanzania to find out how the Tanzanian people feel
about Nyerere.
I was in Zanzibar up to 11 November 1999 and I can say that the people are
still mourning Nyerere. Although the questions I posed to many people in
Zanzibar and the answers given cannot give us a wholistic picture of the
situation in Tanzania before and after Nyerere, they address the narrow
emotive factor that George Ayittey and his co. have raised; a factor that no
social scientist can rely on to pass judgment on a regime. George Ayittey
and co. had even acknowledged this; that they are so inept that they could
not separate emotive issues from factual issues in their article.
My response to George Ayittey and co.'s article was not meant to be a
scholarly article. It was polemical. It was based on the strategic objective
of refuting the conclusions that George Ayittey has drawn and convince all
reasonable persons that their article is not worth the salt. It was aimed at
exposing the weaknesses of their conceptions and make all reasonable people
to see that Nyereres and Nkrumahs deserve respect and honourable places in
African history just like the George Washingtons and Jeffersons are given
honourable places in American history. My article was aimed at
contextualising our conception of African history so that we will not judge
1960 realities with 1999 eyes. This is why I focused on the international
scene so that we could see the contemporaries of the Nkrumahs and Nyereres
such as the De Gaulles, the Trumans and the Eisenhowers; the state of
democracy and human rights in the various countries so that we can truly
conceptualise the contribution of these African leaders. My aim was simply
to state the facts as they are so that we can draw defensible conceptions
from the facts.
I am glad to say that I have succeeded in pushing George Ayittey in the
defensive and that he has taken a rhetorical approach to move away from his
posture of being prosecutor, judge and jury sitting in judgment regarding
whether Nyerere is a saint or a knave.
Madiba, in your posting of 6 November 1999, Ayittey wrote:
"No African would deny that the first generation of leaders strove gallantly
and endured personal hardships to win independence from colonial rule. They
were hailed as heroes by their people and the international community. We
made this point in our piece. BUT in country after country, these leaders
proceeded to establish brutal regime, violated the civil rights of their own
people and looted their economies. Nyerere was an exception, which we also
said in our
article...."
Here, it is clear that Ayittey is retracting from his posture of trying to
transform Nyerere into knave. In that sense, the outcome of the polemics can
be said to be in my favour. I have, therefore, attained the strategic
objective for writing the article in the first place.
Apparently, all subscribers to the L have said at one time or another that
the Nyereres and the Nkrumahs deserve mention in the history of the
emancipation of the African continent. Each accepts that our duty is to
condemn those who have contributed nothing but to destroy Africa, appreciate
the work of those who have tried their best to serve Africa, acknowledge
their mistakes and learn from the past to build a better future. This is the
defensible posture which has emerged from the debate that I have read.
Ayittey, however, did not stop at backing down from his original posture. He
went on to become a psychiatrist, invent a new mental disease which he gave
the name "intellectual astigmatism" and then took me to his clinic and
diagnosed me to be afflicted with the illness which, according to him, makes
intellectuals to conclude that "black African leaders can do no wrong; only
white colonialists and imperialists". He concluded by asserting that this
"kind of intellectualism is a disgrace to Africa. Even children no longer
buy this." He then went on to publish the sad story of two Guinean
teenagers, Yaguine Koita and Fode Tounkara who sneaked into the landing gear
of a Sabena airliner on a flight from Conakry to Brussels and were unable to
survive the temperatures of 55 degrees below zero.
We did cover this incident in our newspaper, FOROYAA. I do not know what
lesson George Ayittey wants me to learn from this that I have not already
learnt. May be somebody needs to tell George Ayittey what type of life I am
living and for what reason. Unless Africa has leaders with hearts that can
beat in unison with the heart beats of her deprived sons and daughters who
are waiting and yearning to live in liberty, dignity and prosperity, such
narrations will continue to be made and hypocritically acknowledged by
people who will not raise a finger to change such conditions. This is a
challenge to both George Ayittey and my very self. It is not what we say
that matters, but what each of us is ready to do to help make such stories a
matter of history.
Should I respond to George Ayittey's attempt to give me a label? Should I
try to put up a defence that I am not afflicted with "intellectual
astigmatism"? No. No. No. That would be taking a defensive posture and that
would play into George Ayittey's favour. I have no intellectual complexes
and I have never met a person who has ever succeeded in giving me an
intellectual inferiority complex.
Cherno Baba says that Ayittey is a scholar. I would like to see some of his
writings before passing judgment on this issue. I am certainly not impressed
by his article on Nyerere which seems to be the type of clap-trap that those
intellectuals, who wish to collect crumbs from newspapers in the United
States or receive grants from foundations or become visiting lecturers in
some universities, write. I hope I am wrong in my conception. I certainly do
not want to put his integrity into question.
I believe, however, that he needs to do a bit of a research about me before
making a diagnosis. In that regard, I would give a list of people I have met
recently who are in academic circles whom he may contact to make enquiries
whether his conception of me is correct or not.
In Zanzibar, the following people were in attendance at the Workshop
entitled: Africa on the Eve of the 21st Century: Between war and Peace:
Prof. K.K. Prah, Centre for Advanced Studies of African Societies, Cape
Town, South Africa;
Prof. K. Karikari, Media Foundation for West Africa, Accra, Ghana;
Mr B. F. Bankie, Ministry of Justice, Windhoek, Namibia;
Antonio Alberto Neto, Lisbon, Portugal;
Prof. Dani Nabudere, African Studies Centre, Entebbe, Uganda;
Prof. Victor Lawson, Centre for Democratic Empowerment (CEDE), Monrovia,
Liberia;
Dr Peter Adwok Nyaba, Secretariat of Industry and Mining, Nairobi, Kenya;
Dr Niara Sudarkasa, New York, USA;
Dr Edna Brodber, Kingston, Jamaica;
Patrcia Rodney, Department of Public Health, Atlanta, USA;
Wanjiru Kihoro, London, UK;
Martha Osamor, London, UK;
Dr Edialeda Salgado Nascimento, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil;
Lumana Claver Pashi, Entebbe, Uganda;
Fatma Alloo, NGO Resource Centre, Zanzibar, Tanzania;
Silindiwe Sibanda, Cape Town, South Africa.
In Ghana, where I recently visited to take part in the review of a research
report produced by Dr Jibrin Ibrahim, a lecturer from Nigeria and a member
of the Centre for Research and Documentation in Kano, I worked with the
following, some of whom are Ghanaian nationals:
Dr Takyiwaa Manuh; Dr Amos Anyimadu; Dr Attahiru Jega; Dr Emmanuel Anning;
Dzodzi Tsikata; Dr Baffour Ayeman-Duah; Funmi Olonisakin.
I would assume that Ayittey would know some of these personalities who are
lecturers in the universities in Ghana, Nigeria, The Netherlands, and so on.
He can ask those he is acquainted with whether I was simply a dormant
invitee to such fora. I hope he will tell the members of the L his findings.
Tomorrow I will take up issues with Cherno Baba and Saul Khan.
Greetings to all members of the L. Deception is no longer possible in
Africa. The battle for converting information into knowledge, that will
truly empower the African people so as to make them their own saviours and
their own guarantors of their liberty, dignity and prosperity, has begun. In
the 21st century, knowledge decides everything.
I promise the George Ayittey's that we will not leave any views
unchallanged, but I also wish to invite him for concerted action by African
intellectuals to carry out the type of research that would make African
intellectuals pacesetters in the world forum of knowledge producers.
I hope he would accept the invitation. He can even seek support from a
foundation to go to Tanzania and start from scratch to collect data on any
area of concern. At least, this is part of my agenda for the 21st century
and I would collaborate with anyone who has that agenda of revisiting
perspectives regarding Africa to come up with authentic conceptions of the
African condition.
Halifa Sallah.
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From: Madiba Saidy <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Saturday, November 06, 1999 10:46
Subject: Response to Halifa Sallah on Nyerere (fwd)
>Madiba, thank you for forwarding the rejoinder by Halifa Sallah to
>our piece on Julius Nyerere. Could you please post this response on the
>Gambian net?
>
>Thank you.
>
>George Ayittey,
>Washington, DC
>
>**********************
>
>RESPONSE TO HALIFA SALLAH ON "THE BURIAL OF JULIUS NYERERE"
>
>I was saddened to read Mr. Sallah's article on Nyerere, which was a
response
>to a piece I wrote with a Tanzanian, Ludovick Shirima, that was published
in
>The Wall Street Journal (Europe) on October 20.
>
>Mr. Sallah's article reflects a peculiar type of mentality that afflicts
many
>African intellectuals. I have called this "intellectual astigmatism." And
it
>is this disease which has aided and abetted the ruination of Africa. The
>despots and dictators of Africa certainly could not have reduced Africa to
a
>mess WITHOUT the help, collaboration and servile prostitution of African
>INTELLECTUALS.
>
>Some of these intellectuals, like Mr. Sallah, are still wedded to OBSOLETE,
>colonial-era paradigms and models. To them, virtually ALL of Africa's
problems
>have been caused by Western colonialism, imperialism, the World Bank, IMF
and
>other EXTERNAL factors. Therefore, African leaders can do NO wrong --
>especially those who won independence for their respective countries.
>
>No African would deny that the first generation of leaders strove gallantly
>and endured personal hardships to win independence from colonial rule. They
>were hailed as heroes by their people and the international community. We
made
>this point in our piece. BUT in country after country, these leaders
proceeded
>to establish brutal regime, violated the civil rights of their own people
and
>looted their economies. Nyerere was an exception, which we also said in our
>article. To continue to make excuses for the failures of these leaders is
the
>epitome of intellectual astigmatism. Black African leaders can do no wrong;
>only white colonialists and imperialists. This kind of intellectualism is a
>disgrace to Africa. Even children no longer buy this.
>
>Please read below the letter which was found on the bodies of two teenage
>Guinean boys Yaguine Koita, 14, and Fode Tourakara, 15, who sneaked into
>the landing gear of a Sabina airliner, on a flight from Conakry, (Guinea)
>to Brussels. They died on August 2, 1999, unable to survive temperatures
>of 55 degrees below zero in an unpressurized compartment at 30,000 feet of
>altitude.
>
>A PLEA FOR AFRICA
>
>Exellencies, gentlemen, and responsible citizens of Europe:
>
>It is our great hope and privilege to write to you about our trip and the
>suffering of the children and youth in Africa. We offer you our most
>affectionate and respectful salutations. In return, be our support and our
>help.
>
>We beseech you on behalf of your love for your continent, your people, your
>families, and above all your children, who you cherish more than life
itself.
>And for the love of God, who has granted you all the experience, wealth,
and
>power to ably construct and organize your continent. We call upon your
>graciousness and solidarity to help us in Africa. Our problems are many:
war,
>sickness, hunger, lack of education, and children’s rights. We lack rights
as
>children. We have schools, but we lack education. . . . We want to study,
and
>we ask that you help us to become like you.
>
>We beseech you to excuse us for daring to write this letter to you,
important
>people whom we truly respect. It is to you, and to you only, that we can
plead
>our case.
>
>And if you find that we have sacrificed our lives, it is because we suffer
>enormously in Africa. We need your help in our struggle against poverty and
>war.
>
>Be mindful of us in Africa. There is no one else for us to turn to.
>
>Printed in Harper’s Magazine, Nov 1999; p.22). It was also printed by most
>newspapers in Belgium, France, Britain and elsewhere in Europe.
>
>*************
>
>I hope Mr. Sallah would learn a thing or two from their letter. May they
rest
>in peace.
>
>George Ayittey,
>Washington, DC
>
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G-L Community,
The call for "self heal and nation" has attracted positive reactions =
from most of us, and this shows our commitment to progress and national =
development. Having said that I believe it is important for those of us =
going out there to represent us to always remember that this is a great =
responsiblity and if we have gotten that far we are doing a great =
service to the rest to always remain focus, and not compromise the =
opportunity. I`m saying this because most of our high level meetings are =
characterised by too much of unnecessary dining and wining, and =
consequently if we used to be vibrant and outspoken we become mute and =
dosy, and migt want to sleep off the wine and food. We dont want to lose =
our sense of pupose and turn this into one of those picnics or circuses =
with clowns and everything.
I`m sure Dr Saine has taken some valuable time and did a lot of good =
thinking to come up with this idea, so we should not make a mockery of =
it and our own personal efforts. The dining and wining can come later.
This is just my opinion and surely I dont intend to offend no one.
Regards,
Omar.
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Emne: Responses to "It is Time to Heal"/ Possible Strategies
>G-L Community:
>The response to an earlier posting "it is Time to Heal" was positive.
>Many felt that the time had come to go beyond personal attacks on the L
>and debate the issues. Others who remarked on the posting also saw the
>need to engage the current APRC Government, its leadership and other
>groups and parties in Gambia, in order to effect the meaningful change
>we all desire in Gambia. Amidst this agreement, however, were those =
who
>while agreeing with these goals, felt that the current regime may not =
be
>open to such a dialogue. Accordingly, what seemed to be agreed by all
>was the need for "peace, tranquility and reconciliation" and that we
>should try, regardless. Several suggestions emerged from the discussion
>regarding what we want to see implemented in Gambia. These include:
>
>* Unbanning all political parties and politicians in preparation for =
the
>presidential elections in 2001;
>
>* The Holding of free and fair elections, a pre-condition of which =
would
>be the resignation of the current Government or the appointment of a
>transitional national Government;
>
>* Newly Elected Government must investigate all allegations of
>corruption and embezzlement and punish those guilty of such crimes
>against the People;
>
>* Investigate and prosecute instances of human rights violations,
>including but not limited to the deaths of Ousman "Korro" Ceesay and
>Sadibu Hydra and release all political prisoners.
>
>It was proposed that:
>
>* We need to assure the current APRC Government of our goals and
>intentions and our desire to work with them to effect these reforms;
>
>* Galvanize as broad a spectrum as possible, here and in Gambia, in
>order to get the critical mass to see these reforms through;
>
>* Set up a coordinating committee representing the diverse views on the
>L and in Gambia.
>
>Where do we go from here and what do we do:
>
>It was propose that we write to President Jammeh and other opposition
>political parties informing them of our goals and our collective desire
>to work with them to bring an end to Gambia's political and economic
>crises;
>
>Follow this up with a delegation to meet and discuss these issues with
>the above parties;
>
>Begin to raise the funds for travel and ultimately financially support
>Jammeh and/or any political party that best represents our views.
> WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>Thank You
>Abdoulaye Saine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Several suggestion
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This is well said Ebrima. l think in Alpha's proposal is a wonderful and
comprehensive venue for empowering and educating people as to how good
governance can be achieved by imput from the public.l think more often than
not, the public thinks that they cannot possibly have any significant imput
once a government is in place other than to just accept things as they are,
right or wrong.While the decision to put forth petitions concerning issues of
the day may not necessarily result in any immediate changes, or even any
changes at all, it nevertheless serves as source of awareness to the public
that they do infact have the right and the responsibility to take an active
role in their government.l believe it also serves as a means to let
government come to the realization that what the public thinks in terms of
having their needs met by those who represent them is of paramount importance
and should not be ignored. As rightly pointed by Alpha, not everyone will be
expected to share exactly the same views regarding government and it's
policies, and God forbid that this should happen because then we will have
totalitarianism. His suggestion for petitions that those who choose can be
signatory to is a good solution. As those of us who live here in America know
very well, there are always any number of petitions going around regarding
all kinds of issues, and the individual is free to sign or not sign it
depending on their views on the issue in question. In short, what Mr Robinson
proposed are the workings of a true democracy in many ways.
Jabou
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Alpha Robinson,
I've just to returned to Birmingham, from London, and I saw your wonderful
piece captioned "Some Proposals for Gambia L".
Indeed, I found it quite inspiring and enlightening, and I hope it would get
a good response. Your points were well articulated and quite comprehensive
that I, for one, am finding it difficult to add anything of substance to
your piece.
Nonetheless, I'll take this opportunity and make a few comments. I'll be
brief.
First, Alpha, you couldn't have said it better when you suggested that it is
about time that we moved "beyond simply discussing issues to a new stage of
action; an action which will realistically transform the essence of our
concerns as reflected in our discussions from exchanges on the List to some
form of collective action."
I totally concur with you on this point, and I must say here that you have
also identified quite a number of the common ground areas that should, in
fact, bring us together - regardless of party affiliations, loyalties etc -
in an attempt to help build a better Gambia.
I know it would be difficult, given our differences in thoughts and beliefs,
but, in my view, what we need to do, through the L, is to try and become a
unified body, whose sole interest would be to see the advancement of our
country and the betterment of the lives of her people.
For example, let us, as a unified body, condemn, in the strongest terms,
anything that is against the national interest of the Gambian people, but
give our collective support to any action/venture that would benefit the
Gambian people.
For instance, if the government of the day takes any action deemed to be
inimical to the national interest of the Gambian people, we should condemn
it forthwith and, of course, in the strongest terms possible.
On the other hand, if the government of the day takes decisions/actions that
would, in our collective view, improve the living conditions of our people,
then that government needs to be applauded.
Equally, if the opposition parties are engaged, for example, in dirty
politics, we should, as a unified body, rebuke it, again without delay.
However, if we feel that the opposition parties were doing things that
needed to be praised, we should commend them.
As a unified body, our main goal, as it were, would be to see the
advancement of our country and the betterment of the lives of her people.
Let us support, as I already stated, any action deemed to be good for our
country and rebuff, without delay, and in the strongest terms, any
action/decision inimical to the national interest of the Gambian people.
We, meaning the unified Gambia L body envisaged, could act both as a
pressure group, crying foul whenever we see it; and as a support group,
giving our collective support, whenever we can, to any worthy cause - be it
in education, agriculture, sports or health.
The question now arises: How do we go about creating such a body? What we
need to do, in my view, is to form - through nomination or election - a
committee of, say, 10 people (men and women) out of the 600 members of
Gambia L.
Now, anytime there is something SERIOUSLY WRONG going on in our country -
whether perpetrated by the government, the opposition, the donor agencies or
even the press - and we believe that it needs our collective reaction, then
the role of the proposed committee comes into play.
The proposed Committee would then come to the L, and sound people's opinion
in terms of the collective action we should take to address a particular
problem/situation regarding our country.
For example, if an opposition leader is arrested by the Jammeh regime, and
we are convinced that such an arrest is unjustifiable, the proposed
committee would come to the List and ask list members what sort of action to
take to redress the situation.
If the majority feel that an open letter to Mr Jammeh, copied to the
International Community, would be appropriate, then the proposed committee
would draft an open letter, bring it to the L for discussion and, in that
case, amendments can be made to the draft letter if need be.
In any case, such an open letter will only be sent to the addressees if
approved by the majority.
Again, may God forbid, but if there was a disaster or a tragedy in the
country, this proposed committee would come back to the List and ask the
members about how we could collectively help with that particular
development.
In short, the proposed committee's main task would be to sound the opinion
of the members of Gambia L, on the sort of collection action to be taken
whenever the need arises.
However, as Alpha rightly pointed out, we should also recognise the fact
that there will always be some who would not like to associate themselves
with certain actions. So their decisions must be respected. The important
thing is that we have to make sure that whatever action we take is
supported/backed by the majority.
In my view, through our collection action, we can help promote and,
eventually, sustain good governance in the Gambia, for instance. And talking
about good governance, the proposed committee could, for example, on behalf
of Gambia L, urge the Jammeh regime to stop the harassment, arrest and
detention of its critics and opponents, solely for peacefully exercising
their right to freedom of expression, association and assembly.
Furthermore, even though the new Constitution was supposed to have
invalidated all the military decrees, there is evidence that at least, five
of these draconian Decrees are still retained by the Jammeh regime. These
are Decrees 45, 57, 70, 71, 89.
So the proposed Gambia L committee could again call on the government to
repeal these decrees which, no doubt, threaten freedom of expression and
association.
Decree 45, which established the National Intelligence Agency in June 1995,
and gave it sweeping powers, including the power to tap phones, faxes and
arrest suspects without producing an arrest warrant, is still in existence.
Decree 89, enacted in August 1996, also remains in place. The decree banned
the three political parties - NCP, PPP, GPP - from contesting the 1996
elections.
Decree 70, 71, issued in February 1996, to modify the Newspaper Act, is also
in existence. Both decrees impose a massive fine for any contravention of
the Newspaper Act.
Lastly, the Jammeh regime needs to be reminded of need to always enforce the
provision in the new Constitution which stipulates that "No one shall be
subjected to arbitrary arrest or detention".....
In my view, if the members of the L needed a wake up call, Alpha's posting
has certainly provided one. We now have the chance to come together as a
unified body and work towards the advancement of our country and the
betterment of the lives of her people.
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
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Dear Foroyaa:
Please note that Jawara's visit to Miami University was from November
6th to the 9th and not the 15th. Dr. Janneh reported on the Atlanta
Meeting and not Miami's. Thanks.
Abdoulaye Saine
foroyaa wrote:
>
> HOW DO GAMBIANS SEE JAWARA'S OFFER TO FINISH ANOTHER TERM IN OFFICE?
>
> The news dispatched by Dr Amadou Janneh on former President Jawara's visit
> to Miami on Sunday, 14 November 1999 is quite interesting.
>
> According to Dr janneh's report, 150 people attended a reception organised
> for Jawara. Mr Abdou Sara Janha, former Secretary general and head of the
> civil service+ADs- Mr Mbemba Jatta, former Minister of Trade, Industry and
> Employment were said to be present. Mr Kebba Jallow, former Chairman of the
> Kanifing Municipal Council is said to have chaired the meeting.
>
> According to the report by Dr Janneh the format of the programme did not
> provide a question and answer session.
>
> According to Dr Janneh, ex-President Jawara underscored his regime's record
> on human rights adding that only one execution was carried out during his
> tenure despite crimes associated with the 1981 attempted coup+ADs- that the
> current government is a military government in civilian clothes+ADs- that it has
> become more repressive since its attempted civilianization.
>
> On the question of development projects, Dr Janneh indicated that Jawara
> claimed that many of the projects associated with the APRC as success
> stories were actually initiated by his administration. He is said to have
> commented on the construction of schools by the APRC by asserting that there
> is more to educational development than simply putting up buildings
> everywhere+ADs- that he claimed that the audience are quite informed of the
> achievements of his government.
>
> On corruption, Jawara is said to have denied categorically that his
> administration has been corrupt+ADs- that the APRC has long forgotten the
> concept of accountability, transparency and probity+ADs- that he is surprised
> that journalists and academics believed in Jammeh's propaganda+ADs- that his
> government stole millions of dalasi worth of the country's resources+ADs- that
> he made counter claims of the siphoning of loans by the APRC and added that
> after rewarding themselves for dangers faced to carry out the coup, the
> leaders were able to find wives.
>
> On the question of tribalism, Jawara is aid to have expressed dismay that
> tribalism is on the rise+ADs- that this phenomenon was unheard of during his
> tenure+ADs- that he blamed the APRC for the surge.
>
> On establishing limits to the number of terms a President could serve in
> office, Jawara is said to have criticised the APRC for failing to include
> term limits in the constitution despite overwhelming popular support for the
> inclusion of such a provision.
>
> On the question of unity, Jawara is said to have praised those in attendance
> at the Atlanta reception for exhibiting unity and added that unity was a key
> to success in dealing with the country's many challenges including what he
> termed as the struggle against the military regime in The Gambia.
>
> On his attitude to the APRC. Dr Janneh indicated that according to Jawara if
> Jammeh steps down he would be given some form of amnesty+ADs- that he ruled out
> any negotiation with the APRC+ADs- that this would only be used by them to stay
> in power+ADs- that he cautioned that the type of amnesty he would give would not
> be as extensive as the one APRC gave themselves under what he referred to as
> the so-called constitution.
>
> On what should be the attitude of the people towards the APRC, Dr Janneh
> said that Jawara called on the people especially civil servants to engage in
> civil disobedience and show their opposition to the policies of the APRC+ADs-
> that the Gambian community in Atlanta should engage in mass demonstrations
> and lobby influential figures such as former U.S. President, Jimmy Carter
> for support+ADs- that he said that if they do this they would be able to get the
> spotlight in the media.
>
> FOROYAA'S COMMENT
> Gambians who spend their time comparing Jawara's regime with Jammeh's will
> not be helping the nation to carve a new future.
>
> In short, those who praise the past are simply giving Jammeh the impression
> that Gambians are buffoons who will accept any ruler to live at their
> expense and be welcomed for decades. Those who praise the present are simply
> telling those who lived extravagantly at the expense of the people in the
> past that they could have continued doing so for many more decades without
> public disapproval.
>
> If Gambians are to be faithful to common sense, maturity, truth and justice,
> they should expose the rottenness of both the past and the present and show
> that they are not anybody's sheep or donkey.
>
> In this regard, FOROYAA will publish a special review on Thursday on
> Jawara's legacy and Jammeh's foot path to the future.
>
> We will compare the Auditor General's Report during Jawara's regime and the
> one under Jammeh's regime. We will calculate the revenue accumulated over
> the years, show how the people pay taxes, argue that it is the height of
> deceit for any leader to claim to do anything for the people, examine the
> human rights situation, the electoral system, the media and so on and so
> forth.
>
> Our object is to justify why Gambia should look towards a better future than
> look towards the past or be content with the present. It would be the height
> of naivety to take another posture.
>
> In short, the fact that a President who was in power for decades and is
> still interested in power rather than supporting a party of his choice in
> The Gambia while arguing about limit in term of office of the President
> clearly confirms that he sees the people to be very naive and ignorant.
>
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> THE TAX BURDEN
>
> 52+ACU- Tax On Fuel
>
> Scraping The Back Of The People Just Like Before
>
> FOROYAA has long cautioned the APRC regime, as it did when its predecessor,
> the PPP regime was in office, that without a productive base the state must
> scrape the back of the people through taxation in order to meet the
> disproportionate incomes of its political elites and provide diminishing
> social services.
>
> After three decades of managing the affairs of this country, the PPP regime
> left a country without a viable private or public sector. After five years
> of managing the affairs of this country, the APRC regime finds it impossible
> to build a viable private and public sector.
>
> For example, in 1991/1992 financial year, Company tax yielded only D50.7
> million out of a total revenue of D638.8 million. In 1993/94, Company Tax
> yielded just D73.4 million out of a total revenue amounting to D766.7
> million.
>
> This clearly shows a very insignificant growth of the private sector.
> In 1994/95, Company Tax yielded D88.2 million as compared to a total revenue
> of D728.3 million. In 1995/96, Company Tax contributed D65 million as
> compared to a total income of D698.4 million. In 1996/97, Company Tax
> contributed D93 million to the revenue as compared to a total revenue
> amounting to D762.6 million. In 1997, Company Tax contributed D84.4 million
> to the national revenue as compared to a total revenue amounting to D770.1
> million. In 1998, Company tax contributed D90.7 million to the national
> income as compared to a total income amounting to D786.3 million. In 1999,
> it is estimated that Company tax will contribute D93 million to the national
> income.
>
> Hence, it is clear that this country cannot rely on its tiny private sector
> to earn income to provide services. In fact, the private sector is
> complaining of too much taxation already. Where then is the government to
> get funds to provide services?
>
> Well, it could do so by maintaining a productive base which could generate
> income. However, nothing much has been done to build and maintain such a
> productive base.
>
> In fact, the PPP before and the APRC now are doing everything to dispose of
> the productive base of the government. Readers would recall that Jawara
> inherited a viable oil producing factory at Denton Bridge. Instead of
> investing and modernising the facility out of its deposits which stood at
> D101 million in 1978, it allowed the profitability of the company to
> deteriorate to the point of being completely bankrupt.
>
> In 1993, the Jawara regime sold GPMB for D20 million. It gave the impression
> that the Cooperative Union was a shareholder and agreed for payment to be
> done by Alimenta by instalment. D6 million was paid in 1993+ADs- D7 million was
> to be paid in 1994 and another D7 million in 1995. Today, the GPMB oil mill
> is gathering dust. This is the legacy of the PPP.
>
> Needless to say, the Gambia Commercial and Development bank with a total
> assets of D192 million in 1982 was driven to total bankruptcy and disposed
> for D20 million.
>
> The Cooperative Union was driven to total bankruptcy and the PPP regime
> ended up by constituting a commission of enquiry after they found nothing
> more than D40 in its account.
>
> The PPP Government sold the NTC, Dockyard, Nyambai Forest Saw Mill and so on
> and so forth.
>
> The APRC regime started by giving the impression that it is going to restore
> the health of the productive base of the economy. It claims that the Assets
> Management and Recovery Corporation has collected over D133 million.
> However, nothing is done to invest the sum in the productive base of the
> economy.
>
> Government could have developed partnership with local entrepreneurs to make
> Pal Grove Hotel productive instead of disposing it of. They could have
> bought shares in Air Dabia instead of selling the assets. Today, government
> assets are being put up for sale. Cooperative Union has been liquidated
> after incurring liability of D209 million.
>
> Like its predecessor, the government, therefore, relies entirely on direct
> and indirect taxes to pay its debts and maintain services.
>
> This is why the Secretary of State for Finance and economic Affairs has
> exercised his powers under Section 5, subsection (3) of the Customs Tariff
> Act to prescribe the following rates for duty on petroleum products and
> other items:
>
> Petrol which costs D7.75 per litre incurs a tax amounting to D4.10 per
> litre. Gas oil which costs D5.50 per litre incurs a duty amounting to D2.35
> per litre.
>
> New vehicles incur 20+ACU- duty. Used vehicles with values under D25,000 incur
> duty of D10,000 flat which means that the duty cannot be less than 40+ACU-.
> Soap, wheel barrows, sugar, confectioneries, nails incur 20+ACU- duty.
>
> Import duty constitute the basis of the national income and this duty is
> passed on to the consumers by importers. Tax on goods and services and tax
> on international trade provides for 80+ACU- of the total government revenue.
>
> The people need to consider whether this is the type of economy they wish to
> have. If not, they should ask each political party for an alternative policy
> to a tax based source of government revenue.
> Those who have no answer to this issue can never stop scraping the backs of
> the people to maintain salaries and services.
>
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> HOW PREPARED IS THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE TRADE SEASON?
>
> December is fast approaching. The groundnut price has been put at D2700 per
> tonne. December 15 is declared to be the beginning of the trade season. Who
> is going to purchase the groundnuts from the Cooperative Societies? Who will
> finance the whole trade? These are yet to be clear.
>
> The Secretary of State has stated that their negotiation with the Gambia
> Ground Corporation is still on. It is not at all clear whether GGC will be a
> purchaser of the nuts of the Cooperative Societies.
>
> Readers would recall that many farmers sold their nuts to Senegal. Other
> stored their nuts and started to sell them at the weekly markets or lumoos.
> Our investigation revealed that lumoos were so saturated with nuts that the
> price fell. Companies outside the country took advantage of this and started
> to buy and transport nuts to Senegal.
>
> We hope this will not happen in the next trade season. We need transparency
> to avoid yesterday's crisis. There is need for diversification of buyers of
> the nuts. The Secretary of State for Agriculture needs to coordinate with
> the Secretary of State for Trade to seek marketing outlets for nuts. Even
> Russia can be an outlet for marketing nuts. Ways and means should be sought
> to find out the sources for marketing the crop.
>
> It would be unpardonable for farmers to take their crops for sale to
> Cooperative societies only to b given pieces of paper promising future
> payment instead of receiving money for their nuts. The role of the
> government is not to misrepresent the people.
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:44:08 -0500
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From: Abdoulaye Saine <[log in to unmask]>
Organization: Miami University
Subject: [Fwd: Response - "It's Time to Heal"]
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G-L Community:
Here is one of the many proposals sent to me privately. This one is
from Professor Veronica Njie.
*Katim: your open letter to President Jammeh was great and very
comprehensive!
*Alpha: your proposals and the response it generated were fantastic!
With Katim's letter, your proposal, Veronica's and all the others, we
are slowly evolving a consensus on "what to do" and "how to do it."
I am currently sorting out the various comments and proposals and I will
try to summarize them for the L before the end of the day. Thanks!
Cheers!
Abdoulaye
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From: Veronica Njie <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Response - "It's Time to Heal"
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Hello Abdoulaye,
I returned from a mini vacation for my Birthday and decided to respond to
your proposal.
<<Response.doc>>
Veronica P.S. Njie, RN, MSN
Assistant Professor
BCCC
410-462-7773
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:38:59 -0800
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Dear Halifa,
I forwarded your response to George about a couple of hours ago. He will
get in touch with you in private.
Cheers,
Madiba.
On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, foroyaa wrote:
> Dear Madiba,
>
> Thank you very much for being a good courier between George Ayittey and
> myself. I hope you will transmit my response to his memorandum of 6 November
> 1999.
>
> I went to Zanzibar and then to Ghana and came back on 21 November only to
> discover a ton of mails waiting for me................
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:29:37 +0800
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Asslaamu alaikum Tony
Alhamdulillah and thank you for your response. I must again emphasize that
the rulings I forwarded are supported by concrete evidence from the Sunnah,
since the Prophet (saw) has said that 'take your hajj rites from me' (Sahih
Hadith). In addition I mentioned the reknowned Imaams of this Ummah like
Imaam Ahamad, Hasan al-Basri and Ishaq to whom the same ruling is
attributed.
Furthermore, I indicated that other reknown Imaams such as as-Shafi'i, Imaam
Malik and al-Auza'i have a different view. However, I haven't seen their
evidence as the former three. So I take the one that I am sure of until I
get evidence that proves the one I have wrong. That is a fundamental
principle in fiqh, jurisprudence
Salma Said said, "There is also a view that a woman may travel by herself,
provided the way to haj or ¡umrah is safe. The Prophet (s) is
reported to have replied to a man who complained about highway
robbery, "If you lived long enough you will see that a woman will travel
from Hira (in Iraq) and will perform tawaf around Ka¢bah, and she will have
no fear except that of Allah.""
My question is: Is this hadith authentic? If so, from which hadith source?
Until then, I think the ruling below stands on very sound evidence and
merit:
-It is not allowed for her to travel for Hajj or otherwise without her
husband or a mahram. This is based on what al-Bukhari recorded that the
Prophet (peace be upon him) said,
"It is not allowed for a woman to travel a day and night's distance except
with a mahram."
Al-Bukhari and Muslim also recorded from ibn Abbas that he heard the Prophet
(peace be upon him) say,
"A man cannot be alone with a woman unless in the presence of a mahram of
hers. And a woman does not travel except along with a mahram." A man said,
"O Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) my wife has left to make the Hajj
and I have enlisted for such and such expedition." He said, "Go and make
Hajj with your wife."
I will still keep striving to find the evidence that the three great Imaams
used to differ from the above ruling, since their stature as scholars and
jurisprudents of this Ummah is unanimously agreed upon just as the ones who
came up with the above ruling. Yendul Ak Jamma.
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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Assalaamu alikum=20
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Alhamdulillah and someone asked Sh. al-Munajjid about dream =
interpretation. Below is the answer.
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The Shaickh said:
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Praise be to Allaah.
1.True dreams are a part of Prophethood, as it was reported that
the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
said: "True dreams are one of the forty-six parts of
Prophethood." (al-Bukhaari, 6472; Muslim, 4201)
2.Dreams marked the onset of Revelation (al-Bukhaari, 3; Muslim, =
231).
3.The truthfulness of the dream is related to the sincerity of the
dreamer. Those who have the most truthful dreams are those
who are the most truthful in speech. (Muslim, 4200)
4.Towards the end of time, hardly any dreams will be untrue. The
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
"That will be because the Prophethood and its effects will be so
far away in time, so the believers will be given some
compensation in the form of dreams which will bring them some
good news or will help them to be patient and steadfast in their
faith." (al-Bukhaari, 6499; Muslim, 4200)
The same may be said of the miracles which appeared after the
time of the Sahaabah. This did not happen during their time
because they did not need them, due to their strong faith, but the
people who came after them needed them (the miracles) because
their faith was weak.
5.Dreams are of three types: rahmaani (those that come from
Allaah), nafsaani (psychological, they come from within a
person) and shaytaani (those that come from the Shaytaan).
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
said: "Dreams are of three types: a dream from Allaah, a dream
which causes distress and which comes from the Shaytaan, and
a dream which comes from what a person thinks about when he
is awake, and he sees it when he is asleep." (al-Bukhaari, 6499;
Muslim, 4200)
6.The dreams of the Prophets are wahy (revelation) for they are
protected from the Shaytaan. The Ummah is agreed upon this.
This is why Ibraaheem set out to fulfil the command of Allaah to
sacrifice his son Ismaa'eel when he saw that in a dream; may
peace be upon them both.
7.The dreams of people other than the Prophets are to be
examined in the light of the clear Wahy [i.e., the Qur'aan and
Sunnah]. If they are in accordance with the Qur'aan and
Sunnah, all well and good; otherwise, they should not be acted
upon. This is a very serious matter indeed, for many of the
innovators among the Sufis and others have gone astray because
of this.
8.Whoever wants to have true dreams should strive to speak
honestly, eat halaal food, adhere to the commandments of
sharee'ah, avoid that which Allaah and His Messenger=20
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) have forbidden,
sleep in a state of complete purity facing the Qiblah, and
remember Allaah until he feels his eyelids drooping. If he does
all this, then his dreams can hardly be untrue.
9.The most truthful of dreams are those that are seen at the time
of suhoor [just before dawn], for this is the time when Allaah
descends and when mercy and forgiveness are close. It is also
the time when the devils are quiet, unlike the time of darkness
just after sunset, when the devils and devilish souls spread out.
(See Madaarij al-Saalikeen, 1/50-52)
Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said:
10.All dreams are either of two types:
1.true dreams. These are the dreams of the Prophets and of
the righteous people who follow them. They may also
happen to other people, but this is very rare, such as the
dream of the kaafir king which was interpreted for him by
Yoosuf (peace be upon him). True dreams are those which
come true in real life as they were seen in the dream.
2.Mixed up false dreams, which warn of something. These
are of different types:
a.games of the Shaytaan to make a person distressed, such
as when he sees his head cut off and he is following it, or
he sees himself falling into a crisis and cannot find anyone
to save him from it, and so on.
b.When he sees some of the angels telling him to do
something forbidden, or other things that cannot possibly
make sense.
c.When he sees something that happens to him in real life, or
he wishes it would happen, and he sees it very realistically
in his dream; or he see what usually happens to him when
he is awake or what reflects his mood. These dreams
usually speak of the future or the present, rarely of the
past.
See: Fath al-Baari, 12/352-354
1.Abu Sa'eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
"If any one of you sees a dream that he likes, this is from
Allaah, so let him praise Allaah for it and talk about it to =
others.
If he sees other than that, a dream that he dislikes, this is from
the Shaytaan, so let him seek refuge with Allaah from its evil and
not mention it to anyone, for it will not harm him." (Narrated by
al-Bukhaari, 6584, and Muslim, 5862).
2.Abu Qutaadah said: the Prophet (peace and blessings of
Allaah be upon him) said: "Good dreams come from Allaah, and
(bad) dreams come from Shaytaan. Whoever sees something
that he dislikes, let him spit to his left three times and seek
refuge with Allaah from the Shaytaan, for it will not harm him."
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6594, and Muslim, 5862). The "spitting"
referred to here is a soft, dry spitting with no saliva ejected.
3.It was reported from Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him)
that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
said: "If any one of you sees a dream that he dislikes, let him
spit to his left three times, and seek refuge with Allaah from the
Shaytaan three times, and turn over from the side on which he
was sleeping." (Narrated by Muslim, 5864)
Ibn Hajar said: to sum up what has been said about good dreams, we
may say three things:
1.A person should praise Allaah for the good dream
2.He should feel happy about it
3.He should talk about it to those whom he loves but not to those
whom he dislikes.
To sum up what has been said about bad dreams, we may say four
things:
1.He should seek refuge with Allaah from the evil of the dream
2.He should seek refuge with Allaah from the evil of the Shaytaan
3.He should spit to his left three times when he wakes up
4.He should not mention it to anyone at all.
5.In al-Bukhaari, Baab al-Qayd fi'l-Manaam, a fifth thing was
narrated from Abu Hurayrah, which is to pray. The wording of
the report is: whoever sees something he dislikes (in a dream)
should not tell anyone about it; rather he should get up and pray.
This was reported as a Mawsool report by Imaam Muslim in his
Saheeh.
6.Muslim added a sixth thing, which is to turn over from the side
on which one was lying.
In conclusion, there are six things to do, the four mentioned above,
plus praying two rak'ahs, for example, and turning over from the side
on which one was lying to lie on one's back, for example.
See Fath al-Baari, 12/370.
1.According to a hadeeth narrated from Abu Razeen by
al-Tirmidhi, he should not tell anybody about it except a very
close friend who loves him very much, or who is very wise.
According to another report, he should not talk about it except to
one who is wise or one who is dear to him. According to another
report, he should not tell of his dream except to a scholar or one
who will give sincere advice. Al-Qaadi Abu Bakr ibn al-'Arabi
said: as for the scholar, he will interpret it in a good way for =
him
as much as he can, and the one who will give him sincere advice
will teach him something that will be of benefit to him and will
help him to do that. The one who is wise is the one who knows
how to interpret it and will tell him only that which will help =
him,
otherwise he will keep quiet. The one who is dear, if he knows
something good he will say it, and if he does not know or he is in
doubt, he will keep quiet.
See Fath al-Baari, 12/369
Imaam al-Baghawi said:
2.Know that the interpretation of dreams falls into various
categories. Dreams may be interpreted in the light of the Qur'aan
or in the light of the Sunnah, or by means of the proverbs that
are current among people, or by names and metaphors, or in
terms of opposites. (Sharh al-Sunnah, 12/220)
He gave examples of this, such as:
Interpretation in the light of the Qur'aan: such as a rope meaning
a covenant, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah."
[Aal 'Imraan 3:103]
Interpretation in the light of the Sunnah: such as the crow
representing an immoral man (faasiq), because the Prophet=20
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) called it such.
Interpretation by means of proverbs: such a digging a hole
meaning a plot, because people say "Whoever digs a hole will
fall in it."
Interpretation by means of names: such as seeing a man called
Raashid meaning wisdom.
Interpretation by means of opposites: such as fear meaning
safety, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"And He will surely give them in exchange a safe security after
their fear" [al-Noor 24:55]
3.As for the book "Interpretation of Dreams" that is attributed to
Ibn Seereen, many researchers doubt that it can be attributed to
him at all, so we should be certain that this book was written by
this prominent scholar.
=20
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"><FONT size=3D4>The=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> 1.True dreams are a =
part of=20
Prophethood, as it was reported that<BR> =
the=20
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him)<BR> said: “True dreams are one =
of the=20
forty-six parts of<BR> Prophethood.” =
(al-Bukhaari,=20
6472; Muslim, 4201)<BR> 2.Dreams marked the onset of =
Revelation=20
(al-Bukhaari, 3; Muslim, 231).<BR> 3.The truthfulness of the =
dream=20
is related to the sincerity of the<BR> =
dreamer.=20
Those who have the most truthful dreams are=20
those<BR> who are the most truthful in =
speech.=20
(Muslim, 4200)<BR> 4.Towards the end of time, hardly any =
dreams will=20
be untrue. The<BR> Prophet (peace =
and=20
blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:<BR> =
“That=20
will be because the Prophethood and its effects will be=20
so<BR> far away in time, so the believers =
will be=20
given some<BR> compensation in the form of =
dreams=20
which will bring them some<BR> good news =
or will=20
help them to be patient and steadfast in =
their<BR> =20
faith.” (al-Bukhaari, 6499; Muslim, 4200)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> The =
same may be=20
said of the miracles which appeared after =
the<BR> =20
time of the Sahaabah. This did not happen during their=20
time<BR> because they did not need them, =
due to=20
their strong faith, but the<BR> people who =
came=20
after them needed them (the miracles) =
because<BR> =20
their faith was weak.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> 5.Dreams are of three =
types:=20
rahmaani (those that come from<BR> =
Allaah),=20
nafsaani (psychological, they come from within=20
a<BR> person) and shaytaani (those that =
come from=20
the Shaytaan).<BR> The Prophet =
(peace and=20
blessings of Allaah be upon him)<BR> said: =
“Dreams=20
are of three types: a dream from Allaah, a=20
dream<BR> which causes distress and which =
comes=20
from the Shaytaan, and<BR> a dream which =
comes=20
from what a person thinks about when =
he<BR> is=20
awake, and he sees it when he is asleep.” (al-Bukhaari,=20
6499;<BR> Muslim, 4200)<BR> =
6.The=20
dreams of the Prophets are wahy (revelation) for they=20
are<BR> protected from the Shaytaan. The =
Ummah is=20
agreed upon this.<BR> This is why =
Ibraaheem set=20
out to fulfil the command of Allaah to<BR> =
sacrifice his son Ismaa’eel when he saw that in a dream;=20
may<BR> peace be upon them =
both.<BR> =20
7.The dreams of people other than the Prophets are to=20
be<BR> examined in the light of the clear =
Wahy=20
[i.e., the Qur’aan and<BR> Sunnah]. =
If they are in=20
accordance with the Qur’aan and<BR> =
Sunnah, all=20
well and good; otherwise, they should not be=20
acted<BR> upon. This is a very serious =
matter=20
indeed, for many of the<BR> innovators =
among the=20
Sufis and others have gone astray =
because<BR> of=20
this.<BR> 8.Whoever wants to have true dreams should strive =
to=20
speak<BR> honestly, eat halaal food, =
adhere to the=20
commandments of<BR> sharee’ah, avoid =
that which=20
Allaah and His Messenger <BR> (peace and =
blessings=20
of Allaah be upon him) have forbidden,<BR> =
sleep=20
in a state of complete purity facing the Qiblah,=20
and<BR> remember Allaah until he feels his =
eyelids=20
drooping. If he does<BR> all this, then =
his dreams=20
can hardly be untrue.<BR> 9.The most truthful of dreams are =
those=20
that are seen at the time<BR> of suhoor =
[just=20
before dawn], for this is the time when =
Allaah<BR> =20
descends and when mercy and forgiveness are close. It is=20
also<BR> the time when the devils are =
quiet,=20
unlike the time of darkness<BR> just after =
sunset,=20
when the devils and devilish souls spread out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> (See =
Madaarij=20
al-Saalikeen, 1/50-52)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> =
Al-Haafiz ibn=20
Hajar said:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> 10.All dreams are either of =
two=20
types:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman"> =20
1.true dreams. These are the dreams of the Prophets and=20
of<BR> the =
righteous=20
people who follow them. They may=20
also<BR> =
happen to=20
other people, but this is very rare, such as=20
the<BR> =
dream of the=20
kaafir king which was interpreted for him=20
by<BR> =
Yoosuf (peace=20
be upon him). True dreams are those=20
which<BR> =
come true=20
in real life as they were seen in the=20
dream.<BR> 2.Mixed up false =
dreams,=20
which warn of something.=20
These<BR> =
are of=20
different types:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman"> =20
a.games of the Shaytaan to make a person distressed,=20
such<BR> as =
when he=20
sees his head cut off and he is following it,=20
or<BR> he =
sees=20
himself falling into a crisis and cannot find=20
anyone<BR> =
to save=20
him from it, and so on.<BR> =
b.When he=20
sees some of the angels telling him to=20
do<BR> =
something=20
forbidden, or other things that cannot=20
possibly<BR> =
make=20
sense.<BR> c.When he sees =
something=20
that happens to him in real life,=20
or<BR> he =
wishes it=20
would happen, and he sees it very=20
realistically<BR> &n=
bsp; in=20
his dream; or he see what usually happens to him=20
when<BR> he =
is awake=20
or what reflects his mood. These=20
dreams<BR> =
usually=20
speak of the future or the present, rarely of=20
the<BR> =20
past.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> See: Fath al-Baari,=20
12/352-354</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> 1.Abu Sa’eed =
al-Khudri (may=20
Allaah be pleased with him) said: the<BR> =20
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)=20
said:<BR> “If any one of you sees a =
dream that he=20
likes, this is from<BR> Allaah, so let him =
praise=20
Allaah for it and talk about it to =
others.<BR> If=20
he sees other than that, a dream that he dislikes, this is=20
from<BR> the Shaytaan, so let him seek =
refuge with=20
Allaah from its evil and<BR> not mention =
it to=20
anyone, for it will not harm him.” (Narrated=20
by<BR> al-Bukhaari, 6584, and Muslim,=20
5862).<BR> 2.Abu Qutaadah said: the Prophet (peace and =
blessings of<BR> Allaah be upon him) said: =
“Good=20
dreams come from Allaah, and<BR> (bad) =
dreams come=20
from Shaytaan. Whoever sees something<BR> =
that he=20
dislikes, let him spit to his left three times and=20
seek<BR> refuge with Allaah from the =
Shaytaan, for=20
it will not harm him.”<BR> (Narrated =
by=20
al-Bukhaari, 6594, and Muslim, 5862). The=20
“spitting”<BR> referred to =
here is a soft, dry=20
spitting with no saliva ejected.<BR> 3.It was reported from =
Jaabir=20
(may Allaah be pleased with him)<BR> that =
the=20
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon=20
him)<BR> said: “If any one of you =
sees a dream=20
that he dislikes, let him<BR> spit to his =
left=20
three times, and seek refuge with Allaah from=20
the<BR> Shaytaan three times, and turn =
over from=20
the side on which he<BR> was =
sleeping.” (Narrated=20
by Muslim, 5864)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> Ibn Hajar said: to sum up what =
has been=20
said about good dreams, we<BR> may say three things:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> 1.A person should =
praise Allaah=20
for the good dream<BR> 2.He should feel happy about=20
it<BR> 3.He should talk about it to those whom he loves but =
not to=20
those<BR> whom he dislikes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> To sum up what has been said =
about bad=20
dreams, we may say four<BR> things:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> 1.He should seek refuge =
with=20
Allaah from the evil of the dream<BR> 2.He should seek =
refuge with=20
Allaah from the evil of the Shaytaan<BR> 3.He should spit to =
his=20
left three times when he wakes up<BR> 4.He should not =
mention it to=20
anyone at all.<BR> 5.In al-Bukhaari, Baab al-Qayd =
fi’l-Manaam, a=20
fifth thing was<BR> narrated from Abu =
Hurayrah,=20
which is to pray. The wording of<BR> the =
report=20
is: whoever sees something he dislikes (in a=20
dream)<BR> should not tell anyone about =
it; rather=20
he should get up and pray.<BR> This was =
reported=20
as a Mawsool report by Imaam Muslim in =
his<BR> =20
Saheeh.<BR> 6.Muslim added a sixth thing, which is to turn =
over from=20
the side<BR> on which one was =
lying.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> In conclusion, there are six =
things to=20
do, the four mentioned above,<BR> plus praying two rak’ahs, =
for example,=20
and turning over from the side<BR> on which one was lying to lie on =
one’s=20
back, for example.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> See Fath al-Baari, =
12/370.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> 1.According to a =
hadeeth narrated=20
from Abu Razeen by<BR> al-Tirmidhi, he =
should not=20
tell anybody about it except a very<BR> =
close=20
friend who loves him very much, or who is very=20
wise.<BR> According to another report, he =
should=20
not talk about it except to<BR> one who is =
wise or=20
one who is dear to him. According to =
another<BR> =20
report, he should not tell of his dream except to a scholar or=20
one<BR> who will give sincere advice. =
Al-Qaadi Abu=20
Bakr ibn al-‘Arabi<BR> said: as for =
the scholar,=20
he will interpret it in a good way for =
him<BR> as=20
much as he can, and the one who will give him sincere=20
advice<BR> will teach him something that =
will be=20
of benefit to him and will<BR> help him to =
do=20
that. The one who is wise is the one who =
knows<BR> =20
how to interpret it and will tell him only that which will help=20
him,<BR> otherwise he will keep quiet. The =
one who=20
is dear, if he knows<BR> something good he =
will=20
say it, and if he does not know or he is =
in<BR> =20
doubt, he will keep quiet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> See =
Fath=20
al-Baari, 12/369</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> Imaam =
al-Baghawi said:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> 2.Know that the =
interpretation of=20
dreams falls into various<BR> categories. =
Dreams=20
may be interpreted in the light of the =
Qur’aan<BR> =20
or in the light of the Sunnah, or by means of the proverbs=20
that<BR> are current among people, or by =
names and=20
metaphors, or in<BR> terms of opposites. =
(Sharh=20
al-Sunnah, 12/220)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> He =
gave=20
examples of this, such as:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> =
Interpretation=20
in the light of the Qur’aan: such as a rope=20
meaning<BR> a covenant, because Allaah =
says=20
(interpretation of the meaning):</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> =
“And hold fast,=20
all of you together, to the Rope of =
Allaah…”<BR> =20
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:103]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> =
Interpretation=20
in the light of the Sunnah: such as the =
crow<BR> =20
representing an immoral man (faasiq), because the Prophet=20
<BR> (peace and blessings of Allaah be =
upon him)=20
called it such.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> =
Interpretation=20
by means of proverbs: such a digging a =
hole<BR> =20
meaning a plot, because people say “Whoever digs a hole=20
will<BR> fall in it.”</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> =
Interpretation=20
by means of names: such as seeing a man =
called<BR> =20
Raashid meaning wisdom.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> =
Interpretation=20
by means of opposites: such as fear =
meaning<BR> =20
safety, because Allaah says (interpretation of the =
meaning):</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> =
“And He will=20
surely give them in exchange a safe security=20
after<BR> their fear” [al-Noor =
24:55]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> 3.As for the book =
“Interpretation=20
of Dreams” that is attributed to<BR> =
Ibn Seereen,=20
many researchers doubt that it can be attributed=20
to<BR> him at all, so we should be certain =
that=20
this book was written by<BR> this =
prominent=20
scholar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Allahumma salli wasallim alaa =
Nabiyyina=20
Muhammad. Wasalaam.<BR>Modou =
Mbye</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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AID TO GANGSTER STATES
(Funding Graft in Russia and Africa)
By George B.N. Ayittey, Ph.D.
The Washington Times, Monday, November 22, 1999; page A19.
Shed no tears for the Clinton administrations pain over the Russian
money-laundering scandal. This largely self-inflicted pain stems from the
administrations reluctance to learn from its own blunders elsewhere,
particularly Africa. It invested massively in the rhetoric and charisma of
"leaders," thereby setting itself up to be duped by crackpot democrats.
The administration seeks out an "Abraham Lincoln," and develops a warm, cozy
personal relationship - or "partnership" with him to transform his
country. Thus, so much faith was invested in Boris Yeltsin and a small
cadre of "reformers," led by Viktor Chernomyrdin. Western aid dollars
flowed. Staggering from a hangover, the administration now finds itself
swindled by gangster bureaucrats, who, during the party, engaged in a
massive heist of Russian assets for transfer overseas.
Similarly during his historic trip to Africa in March 1998, President
Clinton hailed the presidents of Congo, Uganda, Rwanda, Ethiopia and Eritrea
as the "new leaders of Africa" and spoke fondly of the "new African
renaissance sweeping the continent. But barely two months after Clinton's
visit, Ethiopia and Eritrea were at war, the "new African renaissance" in
tatters and the rest of the "new leaders were at each others throat in the
Congo conflict. Were this not enough, the administrations other African
"partners turned out to be reform acrobats and crocodile liberators..
Like Russia, huge sums have fled Africa. According to the United Nations,
$200 billion or 90 percent of the sub-Saharan Africas GDP was shipped to
foreign banks in 1991 alone. Yet, this kamikaze plunder, which occurred
under the watchful eyes of Inspector Clousseau and the Keystone Cops (the
IMF and the World Bank), elicited no outrage from the Western media and the
Clinton administration for reasons of political correctness.
The administration's policies toward Russia and Africa are fundamentally
flawed. The near-fatal obsession with an "Abraham Lincoln" encourages all
sorts of charlatans and hucksters to project themselves as such to win
Western favors and recognition. They parrot "democracy" and "capitalism" by
rote, not so much out of conviction nor with the will to implement them, but
because such euphonious utterances please Western aid donors.
Second, the starry-eyed belief in the teeth of abundant evidence to the
contrary -- that a "government" exists in the recipient country, that cares
about and responds to the needs of its people, is astonishing. What is now
proven to exist in many African countries and Russia is a gangster state - a
"government" hijacked by a phalanx of vagabonds who use the machinery of the
state to develop their own pockets. The chief bandit is often the head of
state himself. As the director of the World Bank's own Poverty and Social
Policy Department, Ishrait Husain, himself observed: "[Market reform] is
failing in many African countries precisely because their governments
misappropriate funds. They spend large sums of money promoting their own
interests, building airports in their home towns, increasing military
spending, and buying more fashionable cars.
The third flaw is the persistent failure to distinguish between outcomes and
the processes or institutions required to achieve those outcomes. A
democratic Russia or Africa, based on the free market system, are outcomes
of often long and arduous processes. Most critical are the transparency of
the processes, the fairness of the electoral rules, mechanisms for peaceful
resolution of electoral disputes, among others. By focusing almost
exclusively on the outcomes and paying scant attention to bothersome details
of the processes, Western leaders often become, by default, complicit in the
commission of egregious electoral frauds that produce a pirate democracy.
In Africa, the democratization process has been stalled by political
chicanery and strong-arm tactics. Incumbent autocrats appoint their own
Electoral Commissioners, empanel a fawning coterie of sycophants to write
the constitution, massively pad the voter's register and hold fraudulent
elections to return themselves to power.
The record on market liberalization is even more dismal, despite the rosy
portrait the Clinton administration, the World Bank and the IMF paint of
Africa. More than $50 billion has been poured into Africa by USAID, the
World Bank and the IMF since 1990 to support market reform in Africa. Yet,
the prospects remain bleak. Ghana, Lesotho, and Uganda, for example, were
all the rage two years ago. Not any more.
A market economy cannot be established without secure property rights, free
flow of information, the rule of law and mechanisms for contract
enforcement. Since these processes or foundations are missing in Russia and
most African countries, the free market economies the Clinton administration
hopes to establish in these countries are pies in the sky, regardless of
assurances by Yeltsin and the "new African leaders."
A new approach that emphasizes institution-building or processes is
imperative. Leaders come and go but institutions endure. Four are critical:
1. An independent central bank, vital for monetary and economic stability,
as well as stanch capital flight. 2. An independent judiciary, crucial for
the enforcement of rule of law, protection of property and to end rapacious
plunder. 3. An independent and free media, to facilitate the free flow of
information, to expose criminal wrong-doing, and to disseminate ideas. 4. A
neutral and professional armed or security forces, to protect life and
property and ensure law and order. Witness East Timor.
At the minimum, Western aid should be made contingent upon the establishment
these institutions, which are established by civil society, not leaders. An
implicit conflict of interest is involved when leaders are asked to set up
the very institutions that would limit their power or the arbitrariness by
which it is exercised.
Re-channeling existing aid programs to reach the people or civil society
would have much greater impact in transforming Russia and Africa than
placing unstinting faith in Lincoln wannabes.
_______________________
The author, a native of Ghana, is an Associate Professor of Economics at
American University and President of The Free Africa Foundation, both in
Washington, DC. His new book is Africa In Chaos.
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Here is one of the many proposals sent to me privately. This one is
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l wonder if others have the same problem, but obviously, my mail reader did
not understand the format of Veronica's posting. It was all in codes. Please
re-post. Thanks.
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Jabou,
Veronica's posting is an attachment.....Microsoft word format. If your
mail reader operates under UNIX environment (e.g. Pine, Elm, etc.), save
the posting, ftp it to your computer and view with Microsoft word. Hope
this helps.
Cheers,
Madiba.
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> << G-L Community:
> Here is one of the many proposals sent to me privately. This one is
> from Professor Veronica Njie. >>
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> Abdoulaye,
> l wonder if others have the same problem, but obviously, my mail reader did
> not understand the format of Veronica's posting. It was all in codes. Please
> re-post. Thanks.
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> Jabou
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<< Jabou,
Veronica's posting is an attachment.....Microsoft word format. If your
mail reader operates under UNIX environment (e.g. Pine, Elm, etc.), save
the posting, ftp it to your computer and view with Microsoft word. Hope
this helps.
Cheers,
Madiba >>
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Madiba,
Thanks. Problem is that l do not have MS WORD. Also did not see an attachment
indicated l am sure, but l have deleted it now. If anyone can send it to me
as a text or tif file after they have downloaded it, it will be appreciated.
Jabou
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Jabou,
I have saved you the "trouble".....please find the mail below.
Cheers,
Madiba.
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I was very impressed with the plethora of suggestions and positive comments
relayed by members in response to your proposal. For once, members tabled
their domesday rhetoric that is usually exhibited on this forum and
provided constructive suggestions. I strongly believe that you motivated such
responses. You literally part people on the back with your calm tone and
capitulating manner. I have been an L reader for a while and I have not seen
such open-mindedness in members' responses.
We have very intelligent, I do not mean book-learning, Gambians both in the
Diaspora and at home. I think we spend too much time attacking each other
rather than discussing innovative interventions to make a difference. It's
time we mobilize what resources we have available to us to effect positive
change. Your message cannot be timelier!
As you rightfully indicated, we cannot change the mistakes done in the past
but we can definitely influence what happens in the future.
As we prepare for the next millennium, I hope and pray that all Gambians join
forces to influence the future of our motherland.
I think it would be unrealistic of us to demand that Jammeh publicly submit to
the people about his infringement on human rights. Sadly, some families have
been traumatized secondary to the aftermath of the coup. He is definitely
persona non grata to most Gambians. However, challenging him and his
administration is counterproductive; not only is it counterproductive, but it
would eventually perpetuate the problem. The president and his administration
will alienate us and feel that we are working against them and not with them.
Wrong move, I'll say! What is next? There is a myriad of strategies we can
explore.
Political
* I support unbaning all political parties and politicians
* Influence the administration to make it possible to vote by proxy - now that
would make a lot of difference!
* Form a strong group to represent Gambians in the Diaspora to convey our
suggestions and participate in implementing the strategies. Members from the
political profession should take precedence, of course
* The group should comprise of members who will be objective in dealing with
the situation and should be prepared to actively participate in the negotiations
* Most of us are second-generation American citizens. How can we utilize this
to our advantage to assist our people?
Socio-economical/Educational
* Provide strategies that will assist our people. For example send equipment,
books, computers, etc. to the Gambia
* Explore venues to obtain scholarship for students at home to pursue further
studies. We can come up with a set criteria
* Influence some companies to send needed equipment/ material home
* Obtain medical supplies for the hospitals. The Western world invests
millions on drugs for obesity, cosmetic surgery etc. Our people both in the
Gambia and Africa at large are dying of AIDS and malaria because they do not
have access to the medications they need. They also do not have the means to
strategically mobilize preventive measures for most of the preventive
diseases common in the Gambia. With a strong and efficient group, we can
research the possibilities and come up with some strategies
* Forming a group that is recognized and respected could provide a conduit for
the strategies to be implemented
* We need to find the means to transport material, equipment and supplies we
get to the Gambia. I have a lot of books and a computer which I solicited
from my colleagues. I still cannot get them to the School of Nursing back home
* Explore possibilities to initiate businesses back home. As you are aware,
the Gambia needs well-maintained machinery and equipment to be self-sufficient
and to be more productive. For example farming equipment, chicken incubators
( this I know from experience), and equipment and supplies to produce and sell
Gambian music in the global market.
I can go on and on. I hope these have been helpful suggestions
We have work to do! Do we have time for personal attacks or individual agenda?
I don't think so. All the more reason I sometimes find the dialogue on the L
mediocre and offensive.
We are a very eloquent people, I guess it is the British influence, but we
need to progress beyond eloquence and get things DONE.
It certainly behooves us to act. I must say that ideas no matter how creative
are dreams, (like a child's) until they are implemented. Granted, we have
innovative ideas. However, it is what we do with the ideas, which
demarcates reality from dreams or fantasy.
Let's get to work!!
Have a productive day.
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I have saved you the "trouble".....please find the mail below.
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Madiba.
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Thanks madiba. My limited computer literacy did not help either.
Jabou
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Asalamualaikum
Brothers and Sisters and fellow Gambians on the L
I hope this meets you all in good health and great spirits of Unity and
understanding.
I have been relatively quite on the latest issue which sister Veronica
Njie put so well on paper and gave us more than enough to digest for the
next two years.
I commend her very much because the previous authors were all
criticizing either Jammeh or Jawara and gave very little or no
ALTERNATIVES to the problems.
My question is simple let us list FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVES that can bring
about some SOUND SOLUTIONS to our Social and Economic sectors and STOP
Criticizing. That will only inflame the common citizens in the place we
all love (Gambia) who do not need to be hammered daily with more
negative reminders of either Jammeh or Jawara.
No one is perfect . Some have strengths in some areas and weakness in
others.
Look at the global picture of the Gambia and think how how to solve it's
problems not how to only criticize. Anyone can find faults with anyone .
We all have skeletons in our closets.
I will start the Solutions List with number one
:
1. MASS EDUCATION of all Gambians until they can be almost 95 %
computer Literate. This will eradicate a lot of our problems of electing
our future leaders.. Let us EDUCATE ourselves ,our families and friends
first. I open the floor on the education alternative. Grass roots
teaching of not only the young ones but the elders - women and children-
all ages. Give teachers all the help they need . (and it does not have
to be a formal classrooms - it can be in anyone's compound in a
designated area.)
THEN
Number two
2. Financial & commercial Rebuilding of small shopping outlets for
equitable distribution of needed goods and services throughout the
whole of the Gambia ( using the old or defunct Cooperative system with
it's present buildings and or structures)
Without business no country can survive.
This is an element I have yet to see being discussed seriously.
NEXT and not the least we move to
3. Social and religious matters that will fit into the above two
Alternatives will be the next order of the day that will just fall in
place with the development of the above two issues .
Yes, I repeat it is easy to criticize but what are the
ALTERNATIVES??????and SOLUTIONS?????
Wasalaam
Brother Habib Diab Ghanim, Sr
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<font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>Asalamualaikum</font></font></font><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1></font></font></font>
<p><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>Brothers
and Sisters and fellow Gambians on the L</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>I
hope this meets you all in good health and great spirits of Unity and understanding.</font></font></font><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1></font></font></font>
<p><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>I
have been relatively quite on the latest issue which sister Veronica Njie
put so well on paper and gave us more than enough to digest for the next
two years.</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>I
commend her very much because the previous authors were all criticizing
either Jammeh or Jawara and gave very little or no ALTERNATIVES to the
problems.</font></font></font><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1></font></font></font>
<p><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>My
question is simple let us list FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVES that can bring about
some SOUND SOLUTIONS to our Social and Economic sectors and STOP Criticizing.
That will only inflame the common citizens in the place we all love (Gambia)
who do not need to be hammered daily with more negative reminders
of either Jammeh or Jawara.</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>No
one is perfect . Some have strengths in some areas and weakness in
others.</font></font></font><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1></font></font></font>
<p><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>Look
at the global picture of the Gambia and think how how to solve it's problems
not how to only criticize. Anyone can find faults with anyone . We all
have skeletons in our closets.</font></font></font><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1></font></font></font>
<p><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>I
will start the Solutions List with number one</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>:</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>1.
MASS EDUCATION of all Gambians until they can be almost 95 % computer
Literate. This will eradicate a lot of our problems of electing our future
leaders.. Let us EDUCATE ourselves ,our families and friends first. I open
the floor on the education alternative. Grass roots teaching of not only
the young ones but the elders - women and children- all ages. Give
teachers all the help they need . (and it does not have to be a formal
classrooms - it can be in anyone's compound in a designated area.) </font></font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>THEN</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>Number
two</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>2.
Financial & commercial Rebuilding of small shopping outlets for equitable
distribution of needed goods and services throughout the whole of the Gambia
( using the old or defunct Cooperative system with it's present buildings
and or structures)</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>Without
business no country can survive.</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>This
is an element I have yet to see being discussed seriously.</font></font></font><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1></font></font></font>
<p><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>NEXT
and not the least we move to</font></font></font><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1></font></font></font>
<p><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>3.
Social and religious matters that will fit into the above two Alternatives
will be the next order of the day that will just fall in place with the
development of the above two issues .</font></font></font><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1></font></font></font>
<p><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>Yes,
I repeat it is easy to criticize but what are the ALTERNATIVES??????and
SOLUTIONS?????</font></font></font><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1></font></font></font>
<p><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>Wasalaam</font></font></font><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1></font></font></font>
<p><font face="Courier New,Courier"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>Brother
Habib Diab Ghanim, Sr</font></font></font>
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Thank You Mr. Robinson,
Without reservation, I suscribe to your proposals. They are constructive,
matured and very genuine.We must take this opportunity to try such issues,as
these wonderful ideas you have suggested, which could be substentially
effective in this moment of socio- economic and political backwardness in
our country.
I hope every Gambian despite of the political deversity, are of a common
goal, and that is for a better and progressive Gambia.
May the Almighty, give us a good heart and strength for better nation
building.
Keep up the task Robinson, its posetive! we shall be behind it!
Together we stand forever!
Yahya
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>Dear Gambia-L members,
>
>The proposals I am about to put forward have been in my mind for some
>time now. Privately I have discussed them with some members of the List
>and yet I had not come forth with it until now. The main reason behind
>the long hesitation is my resolve not to start anything which I cannot
>give full attention, time and energy to. I thought that once put forward
>the ideas will be embraced by at least some list members, leaving me
>with the option to either let it float around for some time and perhaps
>eventually sink into oblivion or to inject life into it and transform it
>into action. Even though I still do not feel ready for it, I am
>encouraged by recent discussions under the heading "It is time to Heal
>Self and Nation" to such an extent that I feel compelled to shared these
>thoughts with you.
>
>The driving force behind these proposals is first and foremost the
>desire to move beyond simply discussing, to a new stage of action;
>action which will realistically transform the essence of our concerns as
>reflected in our discussions from exchanges on the List to some form of
>collective action. I will illustrate the kind of action I am referring
>to later. Before doing so let me first start by identifying some common
>ground from which I believe common action can be launched. I will try to
>keep the list modest in an attempt not to draw up over-ambitious plans
>which will collect dust in the annals of Gambia-L archives. I am sure
>others will come up with realistic proposals too.
>
>As already observed by other List members, it would appear that many of
>us on the List, if not all, do share a common aspiration of a better
>Gambia. What a better Gambia means to each and everyone and how to
>achieve it may be different, but I believe we will all agree that if the
>People of the Gambia can freely decide who should rule the country
>without fear or uninformed hopes of gaining a few colanuts, in the
>interest of the country and further reserve the right to remove leaders
>who do not act in their interest, a good beginning would have been set
>for the country. This is therefore one area in which we can agree,
>despite our various believes, orientations and loyalties, and launch
>some common action.
>
>Another area where we can certainly find common ground is on national
>unity. The days before the last elections in 1994 were unfortunately
>characterised by dangerous ethnic political propaganda. It is no secret
>that some politicians tried to use their ethnic origin to muster support
>by propagating the idea that Gambia must be ruled by this or that ethnic
>group. Recent events have shown that this ugly demon is still with us.
>Ethnic politics as we know, looking back at experiences from Liberia,
>Sierra Leone, Burundi etc. can benefit no one. It amounts to a group of
>very unscrupulous people using the ignorance of the people to secure
>their own selfish interest only to run away and seek refuge when thing
>get out of control and especially when their own lives are threatened;
>indeed they run, scream and crawl to ask for pardon after bringing ruin
>to their own people including those from the same ethnic group. So here
>too we can identify a common ground. Any action by any group of people,
>be they a political grouping or not, be they the party ruling the
>country or not, should be unanimously condemned with a united
>uncompromising voice.
>
>Many members in this list are living abroad. As such we are subjected to
>certain common problems whose redress can only be enhanced by common
>action. For example, sometime ago the question of double citizenship was
>discussed in this forum. Some people it would appear were forced to
>abandon their Gambian citizenship not because their country of residence
>prohibits dual citizenship but rather because of some uncertainties on
>the Gambian side. Hence these people are forced to become foreigners in
>their country of origin when we all know that most Gambians abroad are
>proud of their Gambian heritage, but are sometimes forced by
>circumstances to seek the nationality of their country of residence as a
>matter of convenience.
>
>The behaviour of the Swedish police in Stockholm, whose chief for the
>Stockholm area officially criminalised all Gambians and threatened to
>take draconian action against all Gambians is another example. Whereas
>this case was in a way extreme, it is common knowledge that Gambians and
>Africans in general are vulnerable to such forms of institutional
>discrimination. Together we can at least take common action to condemn
>such acts and request those ruling the Gambia at that particular time to
>officially condemn such acts. In both of these cases one can easily find
>common ground for action in the interest of Gambians living abroad.
>
>As Gambians living abroad we can also think of ways in which we can make
>positive contributions to the situation at home. In fact some work is
>already going on in this area, for example, GESO and the Book Project.
>But perhaps we can also contribute to emergency relief in times of
>tragedy or disaster. The recent floods were a typical case where our
>contribution could have made a great difference for a number of affected
>people. A Relief funds could have been established to complement the
>efforts of other citizens and institutions who took up the task of
>organising relief work.
>
>Also, those who, by virtue of their qualifications, are in one way or
>the other able to offer their services to the country may think of
>forming expert groups to give advice and even participate directly in
>ongoing activities in their field of expertise. Such an act will under
>certain circumstances constitute a contribution to the betterment of the
>lives of the Gambian people. The so formed expert groups can get in
>touch with the ministries or institutions responsible for services in
>their fields and intervene positively where possible.
>
>Having highlighted some common grounds for common action I would now
>like to proceed to the question of who do we try to reach and what type
>of action may be considered. First of all The Gambia has its democratic
>institutions. By that I mean institutions which though imperfect, have
>been established either by our constitution or on its basis. To me
>therefore it is not only the Government of the day which should be
>addressed. Secondly, whether our democratic institutions are strong or
>weak, whether people in charge of running the affairs of the country do
>so satisfactorily or not is largely dependent on the level of awareness
>and involvement of the ordinary people in defending what is in their
>interest. Consequently it is my believe that we should enter into
>dialogue with institutions of Government, democratic institutions and
>last but most the Gambian people. But how?
>
>This brings us to the question of what action to consider. As far as
>contributing to disaster relief and in terms of knowledge I have already
>mentioned forming a relief fund and experts groups. In this regard, we
>can learn from the experiences of GESO. As far as offering our expertise
>is concerned, those who are qualified in their fields can even act as
>consultants. Rather than enriching other experts from elsewhere, The
>Gambia can even gain by offering fellow Gambians who are well qualified
>in their fields the chance to contribute and thereby divert at least
>part of the earnings into the home economy. Of course those with
>expertise to offer must clear for themselves all conflicts of interests
>concerning their present positions.
>
>As far as institutions are concerned, we may do well remembering that
>only the Gambian people can really bring about ultimate change by voting
>into office people who can manage the affairs of the country
>satisfactorily. The best way we can contribute to make those
>institutions effective, from a common stand as Gambia-L, is to try to
>identify some of the wrongs, shortcomings and mismanagement and propose
>ways to rectify these. But first we need to identify key institutions to
>address. The first one to come in mind is the executive. The president
>of The Gambia being the head of the executive will necessarily be one
>person we should address some of our concerns. Parliament is another
>institution to address our concerns to. The bar association and the
>ministry of justice are potential addressees of some concerns on the
>question of justice and human rights issues. The Independent Electoral
>Commission (IEC) should hear our concerns and proposals concerning a
>fair electoral system. Political parties should hear from us what kind
>of conduct we expect from them. Finally, through the media we should
>establish a forum to let our views known and exchange opinions with our
>fellow Gambians on the ground, who for one reason or the other are not
>members of
>Gambia-L.
>
>Let me give some examples. As said earlier, anything which promotes
>fairness in the electoral system and hence making it possible for
>Gambians to elect and if unsatisfied remove from office those who they
>so wish to, without fear will be a gain for all. As elections are due in
>about two years time, we can petition the IEC, members of parliament and
>the head of state to reduce the incredible deposit of five thousand
>Dalasis to be paid by election candidates. This will allow honest
>candidates who do not have wealth to display but sincere service to
>offer to the nation to contest elections. We can also petition all
>political parties and challenge parliamentarians to make laws to
>prohibit campaign based on ethnic origin. We can also petition the head
>of state and the IEC and challenge parliamentarians to make laws
>allowing all contending parties equal air time on radio and television.
>
>On the question of double citizenship for example, we can write to the
>head of state asking for clarification on the matter. At the same time,
>we can challenge parliamentarians to pass laws stating clearly that
>Gambians can have double citizenship under reasonable conditions.
>
>We can make our views known on the question of the increasingly
>difficult conditions which have to be met to register newspapers, on the
>kidnappings of the likes of Shyngle Nyassi etc. etc. should they recur.
>
>As far as the media is concerned, we have at least FOROYAA and GRTS
>through Tombong Saidy on board. I believe we can genuinely expect them
>to offer coverage to our views and concerns and if possible relay to us
>some of the views expressed by others outside of the list either in
>reaction to our actions or simply adding to the exchanges of views,
>which will only enrich the discussions.
>
>I have tried to restrict myself to common-ground issues, which can
>easily be accepted by most people irrespective of loyalties,
>affiliations etc. However, there will always be list members who may
>object to this or that case. This brings us to a question which was
>raised today; who is being referred to as we? As far as I am concerned
>"we" is being used to reflect the desire for collective action in the
>first place. Collective action will be the new stage I am advocating,
>just like others on the list. Yet we must be very clear on the fact that
>there will always be some who would not like to associate themselves
>with certain actions. We have to respect that. "We" should therefore be
>simply restricted to the signatories to any given document generated
>through collective action. It must be made clear that not everyone on
>the List endorses every collective action. On the other hand, we should
>take note of the fact that the more we try to be reasonable the more
>people we will have on the side of collective action and, yes, the more
>effective our common voice will be. This calls for responsibility and
>maturity on our side. After all everybody is free to express any view on
>the List as long as nobody is thereby insulted. Likewise anyone who
>wishes to go further can certainly look for other avenues to achieve
>their goals.
>
>I have done some thinking about how we may approach some of the "hows",
>but first I will listen to others. I am sure there are many unanswered
>questions.
>
>Alpha Robinson
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hello there Simon. You are read loud and clear.
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In a message dated 11/23/99 6:43:18 AM Central Standard Time,
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Bismillah Walhamdulillah Was Salaatu Was Salaam 'ala Rasulillah
As salam o alaikum
Muslim Students Association of US and Canada (MSA National) in
conjunction with MAsjid AL-Farouq of Houston,Texas announce with great
pleasure a new program for MSA's in the US and Canada only. Masjid
Al-Farouq of Houston has the books below for MSA's to use. The procedure to
be followed in regards to this wonderful and generous offer by the MAsjid
AL-Farouq follows the listing of the books. Also included is translations
of the Quran (Pickthall) in english and spanish.
Books
Islam in Focus by Hammudah Abdul Ali
Women under the Shade of Islam by Jamal Badawi
Islamic Concept of Hygiene according to the Sunnah by Dr. Yusuf Qaradawi
Islam at a Glance by WAMY
Islam and Christianity by Mrs. Ulfat Azil ul Samad
The Quran and the Gospels Dr. Muhammad Abu Layla
The Battles of the Prophet Dr. Ahmad Zidan
Lawful and Prohibited in Islam by Dr. Yusuf Qaradawi
Introduction to Know Islam by Dr. Yusuf Qaradawi
Procedure:::
1. MSA's pay for all shipping costs (checks made out to Masjid Al Farouq)
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2. MSA's fax a proposel for the book to Imam Zouber Al-Tilmisani of MAsjid
Al-Farouq at (713)467-0044 or call him for any questions at (713)465-2020.
E-mail: [log in to unmask] .
3. In the proposal the following must be included. All contact info of the
msa officers including a phone number for a contact person . A mailing
address (no PO BOX number). A detailed description of what the books would
be used for (IAW, Dawah, etc.).
Any questions about the procedure or any other questions e-mail Imam Zoubir
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Subject: Increase in infanticide or the reporting?
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Makes one wonders whats going on back home these days. Is it that =
infanticide is incresing or the reporting of it?
Malanding Jaiteh
Mother dumps baby after birth
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Lalla Sonko, 27, is suspected of dumping her baby into a pit =
latrine four hours after she delivered, Friday night, in Banjulinding.=20
Lalla's mother, Fanta Sonko, confirmed to our reporters that Lalla =
is being detained at Yundum police.Landing Sonko, Lalla's father, =
disclosed that the suspect had four children out of wedlock. Mr Sonko =
further revealed that the ill-fated dumped baby is the fifth to be born =
out of wedlock.=20
Mrs Sonko explained that Lamin, the first child of Lalla, went to =
the toilet in the court yard and accidentally dropped a pot in the =
toilet. While attempting to look for his pot, inside the toilet he =
espied the baby. The police were called to the scene by the suspects's =
parents and she was taken to the Banjulinding police station.=20
The airport Fire and Ambulance personnel were later called to =
remove the baby from the pit latrine. The pit latrine was seriously =
damaged during the process and the baby boy has died.The baby was taken =
to the hospital for post-mortem.=20
Mr Sonko told reporters that he had put pressure on Lalla for her =
to reveal who fathered her baby but she refused. "We are very =
disappointed," said Mr Sonko.The police PRO was not available for =
comment.
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G-L community,
l could not help but notice that many, not all, who wrote to commend the
initiative by Dr Abdoulaye Saine to find common ground towards positive
contributions to the betterment of our country, also interjected some
criticism of what they term " the rhetoric on the L", and how tired of it
they were, or how they ignored it etc, etc. With all due respect, l have to
point out that it is this so called "rhetoric" that inspired the very
discussion towards healing that they are praising. l totally agree that mere
rhetoric is fruitless, and the discussions that have taken place here over
the last several months is much more than just so-called rhetoric.For this
reason, l will not be among those who view these discussions that have ensued
on this list regarding the state of our nation as just mere rhetoric.Rather,
information, both positive and negative regarding the things that are
shaping our nation were provided and discussed, and opinions given. This is
healthy debate that has translated into an awareness of the problems we face
as a nation, whether inflicted by individuals or the present administration
in place at home. Due to this very exchange so blindly termed "rhetoric",
those amongst us with a keen eye for analysis, as well as what l call " a
natural knack for diplomacy" came forward to offer an analysis of the views
expressed and the problems identified, as well as to suggest strategies for
gaining a common ground, and for moving our nation forward. One of the
individuals, and the first to be identified under the category of providing
an analysis of the discussions and views expressed on the L, and offering a
strategy for possible solutions, is Dr Abdoulaye Saine. l want to point out
to those who tend to label everything as "rhetoric" and give an impression of
being above this rhetoric, that this new movement towards building a bridge
towards change, and which all have embraced and praised, is a result of the
analysis of the views and information provided by the so-called "rhetoric"
speakers by Dr Saine's keen eye. Any downplay, dismissal or lack of
recognition of that fact lends an air of dishonesty to the voice of those who
express it.
Therefore, l remind all my fellow Gambians, that in order for us to move
forward as a nation, we must not only try to focus on actions rather than
mere words, but we must also be honest in recognizing the truth, and giving
credit wherever that credit is due.Anything short of this will tend to be
seen as a sort of self agrandizement, and will consequently lesson or
undermine the credibility of the contributor no matter how impressive.
To continue on the issue of engaging in actions rather than mere words, and
giving credit where it is due, GESO is an organization that was born from
discussions on this L regarding the state of our educational institutions at
home. From discussion, we moved forward to identify possible solutions and to
invite those who wanted to put their money where their mouth is, to join the
organization, and to start by sending in their monthly dues.Many people have
come forward, including chapters in Norway, Denmark, U.K, The Gambia, and
here in North America. This past month, we sponsored our first four high
school students. We have posted the GESO document to this list several times,
so that at least the majority of the members of this list have seen it, and
are familiar with the organization's goals, among which are the sending of
computers and other educational aids to The Gambia, and serving as a resource
for our schools back home. Here is what l think is a worthy organization that
can provide an avenue for going beyond mere criticism to action.
However, as many notices as we have sent out on the L regarding GESO, and as
mauch commentary as we have witnessed that pertains to action rather than
words, very few people have joined this organization to put their money, time
and energy to make a difference. Therefore, l am throwing out a challenge to
those who are ready to move beyond rhetoric, to please join GESO, so we can
do something, right here, right now, while we are working on setting the
agenda for even greater achievements for our country.
Meanwhile, let us keep in mind that it is criticism and discussion that
inspired us towards the formation of this organization, and it is continued
discussion and yes, criticism that has to continue in any society and nation,
to make sure that the machinery of government tends to the business of the
people. In short, for effective meeting of ideas, building of bridges, and
the harnessing of individual contributions that result in good governance to
benefit all, l hope we never come to a point where constructive criticism and
the expression of our opinions are not just dismissed as mere "rhetoric" Let
us make efforts to move forward by organization , action but by all means
honesty as well.
Jabou Joh
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G-L Community:
What follows is a summary of the various proposals and strategies that
were posted on the Bantaba and to me privately. I found them to be
thoughtful and reflective of the twin themes of "National
Reconciliation" and "Positive/Constructive Engagement" with president
Jammeh, his Government, the National Assembly, Political parties and
other institutions and groups in Gambia's civil society. In looking at
all the postings on the issue, several key categories emerged.
A. ENHANCING DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS.
* Consensus built around the principle of Gambians freely electing
those that govern and manage affairs of state;
* Protecting the rights of individuals, groups, political parties and
others in civil society to freely express, associate and choose
those that govern them without fear or retribution from the state or
its agents;
* To engender a level playing field to ensure competitive party
politics and a Government based on the rule of law.
STRATEGY:
* Unban all political parties and politicians and hold free and fair
elections;
* Obey electoral laws and regulations enacted by the Independent
Electoral Commission so as to ensure a level playing field for all
parties and candidates;
* Provide access to media outlets for Political parties to have their
platform(s) known to the public;
* Review the Constitution, introduce a "Term-Limit" clause and rescind
all military decrees;
* Create an enabling economic and political environment such that
Gambians irrespective of social standing, ethnicity, gender, age and
religion can pursue a livelihood in/with dignity;
* Work toward and vigorously support gender equality and other
activities that empower women and young girls;
* Protect the civil and political rights of Gambians and work toward
enhancing their economic rights and train security forces to both
defend and promote the human rights of Gambians and those resident in
Gambia.
B. SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
The proposals under this category build upon and extend some programs
already in place in our Community by Organizations such as Geso, GLC,
the Book Project and many others. They are dedicated to improving
the medical/health, educational and disaster relief assistance
programs at home. Mention was also made of assistance to
Gambians in the diaspora especially in times of bereavement.
STRATEGY:
* Establish committees to address and monitor each issue area, possibly
in collaboration with existing Organizations in order to
engender efficiency and effectiveness of their respective tasks;
* Provide "expert" and professional assistance to Government/agencies
and other societal institutions, groups and individuals to enhance
national development;
* Enhance business activity by investing in Gambia and Gambians and in
so doing, create meaningful and sustainable employment;
* Entertain and explore the issue of "dual citizenship" for Gambian
residents abroad to ease travel, business ventures, absentee voting
and provide the basis for enduring ties for the children born of Gambian
parents abroad.
OTHER STRATEGIES.
* Valuable proposals were made under this general category that
included:
* Creating a "Committee of 10" to monitor, recommend, commend and if
necessary condemn action/inaction by Government, other political
actors, citizens or residents in Gambia whose policies, acts and /or
activity may threaten the "national interest" not of the state
necessarily, but of ordinary Gambians.
CONCLUSION.
It was also recommended as part of the healing and reconciliation
process that those accused and found guilty, in a court of law of
violations of individual, family and group rights be punished
accordingly. And that truth telling and accountability must accompany
the healing and reconciliation process.
In my attempt to keep this short and to the point, I may have
unintentionally failed to include adequately
some specific proposals sent to me or posted on the Bantaba.. This is
not intended as a slight to anyone's ideas. We can always add to these
proposals. This is an evolving document that should serve as a
springboard into the national debate.
Cheers!
Abdoulaye
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Cherno Baba,
You indicated that I missed the point. What point did I miss?
Frankly speaking, I do enjoy your interventions. It strikes me that you have
a right approach to freedom of expression. You seem to believe that everyone
has the right to speak about anything and everything, even if it means
arguing that the sun rises from the west and sets in the east. This right
approach to freedom of expression is good for journalists, but not for
social scientists.
It is not strange that you have accused me of missing the point since you do
not have the intellectual maturity to understand my point of departure. In
my last piece to Ayittey I believe he now understands the wave length of my
intellectual discourse.
Before going to expose the barrenness of your conceptions, allow me to
express some of my concerns about your style of intervention.
It is in deed true that language is the tongue of the mind and proficiency
or eloquence in the use of language is of aesthetic value. Fine language,
however, tends to lose its finess when it is not tempered by substance.
You seem to take verbosity for intellectual profundity. This is why you have
a tendency to talk about everything only to end up saying nothing. I will
now invite evidence to corroborate my submission.
In your submission, you indicated that I have missed the point and concluded
that: "And get this: Ayittey is a scholar, critic, writer. He has written
extensively on Africa. He tackles African issues with insightful scrutiny
unlike the Halifa Sallahs, who, out of drooling utopianism and incontinent
lust for nationalism, are hopelessly unrestrained in their kissing up to
vaunted Pan-africanism starved of self-dissenting objectivity. And honesty."
In short, you are accusing me of lacking objectivity and allowing emotions
to cloud my vision. You acclaimed Ayittey as a scholar and instructed me to
be objective. I thank you for the instruction, and I would adhere to it with
overwhelming thoroughness in reviewing your conceptions.
Let me now ask: Since you alleged that I have missed the point, what then is
the point, Cherno Baba? If you were interested in objectivity, you should
have started not by intruding into the inner being of Halifa Sallah to try
to convey how dogmatic, emotional, intransigient he is in his defence of
Pan-Africanism and so on and so forth.
On the contrary, you would have gone straight away to state the point at
issue and show very clearly how I have missed the point. Take a look at
Ayittey and Co.'s article again. What is the title? The title is NYERERE: A
Saint or A Knave?
Cherno Baba, this is the point at issue. I did not raise this infantile
question. It is your scholar, writer and critic who is responsible for this
pedantic formulation. What the principles of objectivity and common sense
require is for Ayittey to adduce evidence and provide the basis for their
corroboration to ultimately tell the readers whether the evidence
sufficiently proves that Nyerere is a saint or a knave.
Cherno Baba, you gave the impression that your scholar is capable of "fairly
rounded scrutiny", to use your own words, and is free from "dogmatism" and
the issuing of "historical narratives that are devoid of self-injecting
objectivity".
According to you, I argued from the position of a Pan-Africanist whereas
your two mentors argued "out of independent mindedness sharpened by
incisiveness and scholarship".
You concluded by saying "Ayittey's and Shirima's article is endowed with
irrefutable facts; facts that speak to the truth about Nyerere's legacy."
Now, Cherno Baba, let me ask you this simple question: a question that any
primary six child should be able to answer after reading a passage. Is
Nyerere a saint or a knave? What is your reply? Do you now see the point,
Cherno Baba? Did Ayittey and Shirima give a conclusive answer?
I am sure that you are now wallowing in a state of total void for an answer.
Do you now see what you have got yourself into because of your usual
pretence at intellectual profundity?
Cherno Baba, do you know how scholars write articles? Do you know why they
prepare themes? A real scholar must state the problematics that he or she
intends to enquire into. This must be followed by stating research questions
which must be predicated by objective enquiry without making any emotive or
conclusive remarks prior to one's investigation. A true scholar will not
start with themes that could not be provided with answers. Objectivity
provides a person with a tool to appreciate facts that could be convincing
to anybody who accepts truth when they see it. The facts should be able to
convince the reader that the theme was worth raising and the problematic
worth investigating into.
First of all, Cherno Baba, your scholars raised a point which was very
absurd. The fact that you see sense in the issue they have raised tells me a
lot about your own intellectual wave-length. Now take your dictionary and
find out the meaning of 'saint' and 'knave'. A saint is defined as "a very
holy person; one who is pure in heart and upright in life"; "a person who is
very humble, patient or like a saint in other ways". And a knave is defined
as "a tricky or dishonest person; rascal; rogue".
Cherno Baba, I guess when you quoted the following from your mentors'
article, you meant to prove one-half of their question that Nyerere was a
saint:
" "Although Julius Nyerere belonged to this generation of
African leaders," they write, "he did not display their egregious and
megalomaniac excesses. He was not personally corrupt and his living style
modest - a rare and refreshing exception among African leaders." They write
further: "Nyerere was also among the very few African heads of state who
relinguished political power voluntarily." And: "Nyerere worked
indefatigably to mediate conflicts and bring peace to the East African and
Great Lakes Region... Nyerere was quite active in promoting peace,
understanding among people of the developing nations." "
On the other hand, when you said the following, one would assume that you
are giving evidence that Nyerere is a knave:
"But Ayittey and Shirima took a critical look at Nyerere's domestic record,
unimpressive as it was: A socialist program forcibly shoved down the throats
of Tanzanians. Result? State-control of industries and a "controlling
interest in the major multinational corporation subsidiaries, coffee estates
and the sisal industry." Within a decade, according to the authors, most of
Tanzania's state-run industries had become inefficient and redundant.
Economic loss and unemployment soared. Tanzanians groaned."
"Nyerere's "Ujaama" villigization proved a disastrous failure. Agriculural
productivity dwindled and industries were sent packing. And Ayittey and
Shirima told us a UN report revealed that because of the policy of forced
villagization, Tanzania suffered ecological disaster, desertification as a
result of deforestation, over-grazing, over-cultivation and population."
This constitutes what you termed as an objective and scholarly review. Now,
if we focos on the point at issue, that is, whether Nyerere is a saint or a
knave and rely on the evidence that Ayittey and Shirima have given and which
you have quoted from, we would have to conclude that Nyerere is both a saint
and a knave. Nothing can be more ridiculous than such a conclusion. Even a
buffoon can see the barrenness of the enterprise that your scholars have
undertaken.
It is this emptiness that struck me when I read their article. Unlike you, I
could read in between the lines and could see that the intention of Ayittey
and Co. was not to help readers to understand the realities of Tanzania from
an objective point of view, but were trying to counteract the respect that
Nyerere has earned. This is clearly evident in their openng remarks which
reads:
"Before the international media pundits/mavens elevate any African leader to
sainthood, a reality check with his own people is imperative for balance. At
the minimum, Africans should be allowed to choose their own saints, not
those imposed upon them by outsiders for that smacks of cultural imperialism
or intellectual arrogance.
"As the new millennium dawns, many Africans fervently hope that their old
generation of leaders would quietly fade away into the sunset. To be sure,
they did endure great personal sacrifice and fought gallantly for freedom
from colonial rule for their respective countries. But the
legacies they left behind bespeak of shattered economies, rampant
corruption, never-ending cycles of political instability, senseless
civil wars, wanton destruction, famine, and massive refugees. To deflect
attention away from their own domestic failures, they grandstand on the
world stage, railing against Western colonialism, imperialism, racism, the
IMF and the World Bank. To continuously celebrate them without a hint of the
unspeakable misery they bequeathed to their people is criminally
irresponsible."
This design to give Nyerere the image of a knave is also evident in their
concluding remarks:
"Perhaps, this “reeducation” came a little too late but it validated the
adage that one never ceases to learn until death. In this sense, Nyerere was
a true teacher. But the supreme irony of it all is that, Julius Nyerere, who
denounced the British colonialists, should seek medical help from Britain
where he died of leukemia. But then again, who thought Sergei Kruschev, the
son of Soviet President, Nikita Kruschev, would take up U.S. citizenship
this year?
"May Nyerere rest quietly in peace."
Since you do not have the maturity to get the point, I certainly could not
miss the point. This is precisely the reason why I decided to engage Ayittey
and Co. in polemics. My objective was not to refute facts, but to refute the
interpretation of those facts to put Nyerere in a negative light. I believe
I have succeeded in achieving precisely what I set out to achieve. This is
confirmed by the back-tracking that Ayittey has made in his response to my
challenge:
"No African would deny that the first generation of leaders strove gallantly
and endured personal hardships to win independence from colonial rule. They
were hailed as heroes by their people and the international community. We
made this point in our piece. BUT in country after country, these leaders
proceeded to establish brutal regime, violated the civil rights of their own
people and looted their economies. Nyerere was an exception, which we also
said in our article."
The new element here is the emphasis that Nyerere is an exception. That is
my point.
Now, may we ask Cherno Baba: If, according to Ayittey Nyerere was an
exception, what was the point in making reference to the Bandas and other
tyrants in an article entitled NYERERE: A saint or a knave? The title of the
article gives the impression that it is specifically about Nyerere. The
authors were, therefore, either incoherent in their thinking or had the
ignoble design to befog the issue. Let me just quote a portion of their
article so as not to prolong what is already evident:
" “Mwalimu” (the Teacher), the late Nyerere was among Africa’s first
generation of nationalist leaders that also included Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana,
Kenneth Kaunda of Zambia, Jomo Kenyatta of Kenya, and Hastings Banda of
Malawi.
"After winning independence for their respective countries, they were all
hailed as heroes, swept into power with huge parliamentary majorities, and
deified. They built statues for themselves, named monuments, stadia, and
streets after themselves. Currencies bore their portraits while they heaped
vainglorious epithets upon themselves: Osagyefo, the Guide, the Messiah, the
Redeemer, the Teacher. They brooked no criticism. Criticizing them was
sacrilegious. Newspapers that did so were banned and editors jailed. They
used their parliamentary majorities to subvert their constitutions, outlaw
opposition parties, and declare their countries "one-party states" and
themselves presidents-for-life. Just one month after Malawi gained its
independence from Britain in July 1964, the new Prime Minister, Hastings
Banda, declared: “one party, one leader, one government and no nonsense
about it.” "
Is this not equating the Hastings Bandas with the Nkrumahs and Nyereres? How
can one discern who did what from such generalizations which is simply meant
to castigate a whole generation of leaders without differentiating those who
sought to serve their people, despite their limitations, from parasites with
monarchical inclinations?
Furthermore, your scholars did mention the arrest of "Chief Abdallah
Said Fundikira, Mwinyijuma Othuman Upindo and James Mapalala, founders of
Civic Movement .... in 1986 and detained under the Preventive Detention Act
of 1962 (revised in 1985)" after they have mentioned that Nyerere gave up
office in 1984.
Taking all this into consideration, I could not but draw the conclusion that
the motives of the authors are to mix facts with fiction so as to make
pretence at objectivity only to befog the issue as to whether Nyerere was a
saint or knave. Some of the points raised were unconnected with, isolated
from and independent of the subject they had sought to treat. Your scholars
did not give clear picture of the economic, political, social and cultural
development in Tanzania from one stage to another until the end of Nyerere's
adminsitration so as to enable us to have a balanced picture of achievements
and shortcomings. On the contrary, their approach was episodic here,
anecdotal there, judgmental here and emotive there. A myriad of approaches
were taken which could only produce the type of hog-pog analysis and
conclusion that you dubbed objective and criticial.
I decided to refer to situations that were happening throughout the world so
that we can have a thorough understanding of what these earlier pioneers of
the African liberation struggle had to confront. This was not meant to
apologise for any mistakes done but to help us to understand what we have to
confront today.
Could we simply say that poverty in rural Tanzania was caused by Ujaama
villages? What is the cause of poverty in rural Gambia where there had been
no Ujaama villages? If the news items are to go by, 250,000 farmers in
northern Kenya are being confronted by hunger and there is call for a state
of emergency to be called in order to invite international relief? What is
the cause of such food insecurities in the Kenyan villages?
One thing that is very clear, Cherno Baba, is that all African villages seem
to wear the same uniform of poverty and social deprivation. Our duty now is
to have a proper perspective of all the attempts which have been made to
deal with the African condition, distinguish the honest attempts from those
which were characterised by deliberate mismanagement and misrepresentation.
It is, however, not enough to be simply critical. It is also our duty to
provide an alternative and I hope, Cherno Baba, you know as much as I do
that flowery language is not the basis to build a new Africa. It is using
our brains to examine the economic, political, social and cultural factors
which have militated against the development of the continent, interrogate
all policies and approaches taken elsehwhere to deal with the human
condition and then reflect on the way forward. This task cannot be achieved
by any single person no matter how intelligent and dedicated. It takes a
concerted effort and it requires serious and well meaning debate about
issues. I hope all of us will engage ourselves in that noble enterprise.
Greetings.
Halifa Sallah.
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Jabou:
Well said! The debates and sometimes insults we engaged in provided the
basis/fodder for the current initiatives on and by the L. I pray the
debates continue. All members of the Bantaba and especially you, must
be commended for the leadership you provide and the incisive comments
you bring to the issues. Geso is an excellent Organization that must be
supported by all of us. In the "summary of proposals and strategies",
Geso among others, is identified as a founder Organization in our
community. The summary I posted earlier, is truly a reflection of
community effort as evidenced by the contributions from you, Ndey
Jobarteh, Saiks Samateh, Katim Touray, Alpha Robinson, Musa Jeng,
Veronic Njie, William Njie, Ebrima Ceesay, Bakary Sonko, Ylva Herlund,
Cherno Jallow, Bamba Laye, Saul Khan, Ousman Bojang, Habib Ghanim,
Malanding Jaiteh and many others too numerous to name. Matarr Njie also
wrote me privately, accusing me of trying to "restore Jawara" and for
not being sincere, even if my posting sounded sincere. While we can not
change the past, we can shape the present and influence the future. We
can all make a difference and are making a difference. Thanks, and may
God strengthen us all. And for those of you in the U.S. HAPPY
THANKSGIVING(TURKEY) DAY!
Cheers!
Abdoulaye
Jabou Joh wrote:
>
> G-L community,
>
> l could not help but notice that many, not all, who wrote to commend the
> initiative by Dr Abdoulaye Saine to find common ground towards positive
> contributions to the betterment of our country, also interjected some
> criticism of what they term " the rhetoric on the L", and how tired of it
> they were, or how they ignored it etc, etc. With all due respect, l have to
> point out that it is this so called "rhetoric" that inspired the very
> discussion towards healing that they are praising. l totally agree that mere
> rhetoric is fruitless, and the discussions that have taken place here over
> the last several months is much more than just so-called rhetoric.For this
> reason, l will not be among those who view these discussions that have ensued
> on this list regarding the state of our nation as just mere rhetoric.Rather,
> information, both positive and negative regarding the things that are
> shaping our nation were provided and discussed, and opinions given. This is
> healthy debate that has translated into an awareness of the problems we face
> as a nation, whether inflicted by individuals or the present administration
> in place at home. Due to this very exchange so blindly termed "rhetoric",
> those amongst us with a keen eye for analysis, as well as what l call " a
> natural knack for diplomacy" came forward to offer an analysis of the views
> expressed and the problems identified, as well as to suggest strategies for
> gaining a common ground, and for moving our nation forward. One of the
> individuals, and the first to be identified under the category of providing
> an analysis of the discussions and views expressed on the L, and offering a
> strategy for possible solutions, is Dr Abdoulaye Saine. l want to point out
> to those who tend to label everything as "rhetoric" and give an impression of
> being above this rhetoric, that this new movement towards building a bridge
> towards change, and which all have embraced and praised, is a result of the
> analysis of the views and information provided by the so-called "rhetoric"
> speakers by Dr Saine's keen eye. Any downplay, dismissal or lack of
> recognition of that fact lends an air of dishonesty to the voice of those who
> express it.
> Therefore, l remind all my fellow Gambians, that in order for us to move
> forward as a nation, we must not only try to focus on actions rather than
> mere words, but we must also be honest in recognizing the truth, and giving
> credit wherever that credit is due.Anything short of this will tend to be
> seen as a sort of self agrandizement, and will consequently lesson or
> undermine the credibility of the contributor no matter how impressive.
> To continue on the issue of engaging in actions rather than mere words, and
> giving credit where it is due, GESO is an organization that was born from
> discussions on this L regarding the state of our educational institutions at
> home. From discussion, we moved forward to identify possible solutions and to
> invite those who wanted to put their money where their mouth is, to join the
> organization, and to start by sending in their monthly dues.Many people have
> come forward, including chapters in Norway, Denmark, U.K, The Gambia, and
> here in North America. This past month, we sponsored our first four high
> school students. We have posted the GESO document to this list several times,
> so that at least the majority of the members of this list have seen it, and
> are familiar with the organization's goals, among which are the sending of
> computers and other educational aids to The Gambia, and serving as a resource
> for our schools back home. Here is what l think is a worthy organization that
> can provide an avenue for going beyond mere criticism to action.
> However, as many notices as we have sent out on the L regarding GESO, and as
> mauch commentary as we have witnessed that pertains to action rather than
> words, very few people have joined this organization to put their money, time
> and energy to make a difference. Therefore, l am throwing out a challenge to
> those who are ready to move beyond rhetoric, to please join GESO, so we can
> do something, right here, right now, while we are working on setting the
> agenda for even greater achievements for our country.
>
> Meanwhile, let us keep in mind that it is criticism and discussion that
> inspired us towards the formation of this organization, and it is continued
> discussion and yes, criticism that has to continue in any society and nation,
> to make sure that the machinery of government tends to the business of the
> people. In short, for effective meeting of ideas, building of bridges, and
> the harnessing of individual contributions that result in good governance to
> benefit all, l hope we never come to a point where constructive criticism and
> the expression of our opinions are not just dismissed as mere "rhetoric" Let
> us make efforts to move forward by organization , action but by all means
> honesty as well.
>
> Jabou Joh
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Dr Saine,
I read your summary, and I must commend you for doing a good job. You've
certainly done a very good job, and it is highly appreciated! The signs are
very encouraging!!!!
Katim Touray: I read your open letter to Mr Jammeh, and I found it quite
instructive. I can tell you that it was a very good open letter and the feed
backs I am getting from the Gambia attest to that fact.
The letter, I would have thought, has finally set the record straight. It
has, once and for all, shattered wild allegations (to the effect) that
Gambia L was created for SUBVERSIVE purposes.
By writing the letter, you've kicked the ball into Jammeh's court, and I
hope he, too, would hit it well. The Internet is a very useful tool, and I
hope he and his government would make good use of the Internet in general,
and Gambia L in particular.
Jabou Joh: I've just finished reading your commentary titled "It is time to
heal/COMMENTARY"; and, as usual, it was a quite a good one. Keep it up!
Ebrima Ceesay,
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TO LENRIE PETERS
The ponds of Katchikali
have dried, and
the women fetch water
from the tears
of the revered crocodiles
Who cut open
the heart
of Katchikali?
Who sewed up
the eyes
of the dove?
Who killed
the keeper, and
let loose the game
to trample
on the farms
at dusk?
Who burnt
the lone palm tree
for soda water, and
threw the gourd
into the foamy waves
as the ship sailed
away with the cargo?
What are these footsteps
on the periphery
of Fajara cemetery?
Who cut down
the mangroves
to lit a bonfire
when we don't even know
how to dance
the sewruba?
from "Recollections of a Lost Century" by Hamadi Banna
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<< TO LENRIE PETERS
The ponds of Katchikali
have dried, and
the women fetch water
from the tears
of the revered crocodiles
Who cut open
the heart
of Katchikali?
Who sewed up
the eyes
of the dove?
Who killed
the keeper, and
let loose the game
to trample
on the farms
at dusk?
Who burnt
the lone palm tree
for soda water, and
threw the gourd
into the foamy waves
as the ship sailed
away with the cargo?
What are these footsteps
on the periphery
of Fajara cemetery?
Who cut down
the mangroves
to lit a bonfire
when we don't even know
how to dance
the sewruba?
from "Recollections of a Lost Century" by Hamadi Banna
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l like your peotry Hamadi Banna, and meant to ask you the last ime you sent
one to the list, if your above mentioned collection is published.
Jabou
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It is amazing how Halifa reacts when under fire. I never imagined i would
witness Halifa swagger, brag and swashbuckle of intellectual prowess or even
his scholarly kudos; all the same it's Halifa as never before enumerating the
boffins he hangs out with. I thought Halifa was more humble than that. He
could have got on with his defence without bragging about the colourful
milieu of who is who in African academia that he hangs out with. Anyone who
knows Halifa will tell you three distinct qualities in him that is a rarity
in Africa and or amongst the African intelligentsia: that he is a scholar of
great distinction and erudition(for Cherno Baba to scoff at this subtly tells
you a lot about what is wrong with him), an unquestionable integrity and
fealty to the down trodden and oppressed peoples all over the world. He
certainly isn't perfect and has his problems but this is not the time and the
place to get into that. Enough of that trivia and to more serious things.
Frankly had Halifa read Ayittey's central theme with detached emotions of
someone with every right to be annoyed but nonetheless sanguine, he would
have discovered that Ayittey's contention is thus this: the Nyerere's and
Nkrumah's of Africa are certainly not saints. Heroes they are but saints they
ain't. And this argument takes us back to Halifa's conclusion that we must
celebrate their successes and visions whilst at the same time with feet
rooted in realism acknowledge and learn from their failings and mistakes. In
short whilst we celebrate we shouldn't forget why they never got past the
initial emancipation. Both of you make the same conclusion albeit in a
different fashion and your emphasis/prejudices and methodology set you
apart. Halifa even you don't practice what you preach about methology and
scientific enquiry. If you had displayed this principle of scientific inquiry
into your answer and defense of Nyerere and Nkrumah, you would set your
symphaties and Pan African prejudices aside and employ the cold logic of
scientific inquiry to dissect the lives and times of these two African
leaders. A forensic scrutiny of their lives and times would reveal their
tyrannical heavy handedness and heroic attempts to improve the lot of the
African. It seems to me and this is mere speculation and intuitive, that
Halifa's prejudices do really run deep; for both Nyerere and Nkrumah were old
left Socialist Africanists. Could this be the solicitude of Halifa's
symphaties towards them and makes his lose cold logic and scientific
methology. Witness Halifa's strident prose and cold logic when dealing with
Jawara. Yet juxtapose that with his tempered and compromising or should i
dare say apologetic stance when he writes of Jammeh. Just because Jammeh
famously flaunts some crude form of Pan Africanism, he generates their
benevolence and tempered satire as they help stave off all unflattering
viewpoints on Jammeh and his likes in Africanism.
As for Ayittey when i read his piece, that his is some scholarly work was
laughable and a big joke. For Cherno Baba to load plaudits on Ayittey's
erudition as a scholar tells you why Cherno is a dilettante in disquinshing
between flowery prose and scholarly work. It is one thing to compose good
prose but another to write with distinction scholarly work. Cherno these days
i have noted some tinge of pomp and sententious piffle in your writings and
it would be remiss of me not to diagnose pedantic display of pomp and
prescribe self doubt for you to go back and research what qualifies a writing
to be worthy of the name scholarly work. You seem to forget that you have yet
to graduate and mistake your flowery prose and immature verbosity with
intellectual precision. Humble thyself "mawbeh" for they say who he who seeks
knowledge begins with humbleness.
I hope we move away from personality spats to the real issues. Let the debate
continue.
Hamjatta
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Jabou,
Once again, I'm in your debt. I've always wondered what rhetoric or agrimony
people talk about regarding this forum. Yes, there are fools on the list.
Yes, there are many whose only aim to to deride the Yaya regime, and others
whose only aim is to do the exact opposite. But, in the main, this List
provides the best avenue for all educated Gambians to have their say as to
where we are vis-a-vis where we should be headed as a nation. Most
contributors do that very objectively. So, if only people would stop this
"I'm above the fray" self-righteousness hypocrisy, we could get something
out of this.
At one point or another, someone is bound to question your
theories/info/ideas, or even attack you for reasons best known only to
themselves. But, it's part of the maturity of each of us to de-personalize
personal insults/slights and move on. I've seen many members do just that.
Those with thin skin have choices: QUIT WHINING or UNSUBSCRIBE!
As much as I hate reading some postings, it would be very tragic (and maybe
very Gambian?)if this forum is reduced to another Rubber Stamp institution.
It's that type of attitude that we've had towards the PPP regime for thirty
years, and look where it's gotten us. We have to agree to disagree. You
don't need to agree w/ me to be my friend, and you don't need to be my enemy
to disagree w/ me. Let everybody raise whatever issues they have regarding
our general body politic. Remember the cliche' "great minds don't think
alike." There are enough of us w/ reasonable common sense to filter out
rubbish. At the end of the day, common sense and decency will prevail.
Peace!
Saul.
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>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:53:32 EST
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>G-L community,
>
>l could not help but notice that many, not all, who wrote to commend the
>initiative by Dr Abdoulaye Saine to find common ground towards positive
>contributions to the betterment of our country, also interjected some
>criticism of what they term " the rhetoric on the L", and how tired of it
>they were, or how they ignored it etc, etc. With all due respect, l have to
>point out that it is this so called "rhetoric" that inspired the very
>discussion towards healing that they are praising. l totally agree that
>mere
>rhetoric is fruitless, and the discussions that have taken place here over
>the last several months is much more than just so-called rhetoric.For this
>reason, l will not be among those who view these discussions that have
>ensued
>on this list regarding the state of our nation as just mere
>rhetoric.Rather,
>information, both positive and negative regarding the things that are
>shaping our nation were provided and discussed, and opinions given. This is
>healthy debate that has translated into an awareness of the problems we
>face
>as a nation, whether inflicted by individuals or the present administration
>in place at home. Due to this very exchange so blindly termed "rhetoric",
>those amongst us with a keen eye for analysis, as well as what l call " a
>natural knack for diplomacy" came forward to offer an analysis of the views
>expressed and the problems identified, as well as to suggest strategies for
>gaining a common ground, and for moving our nation forward. One of the
>individuals, and the first to be identified under the category of providing
>an analysis of the discussions and views expressed on the L, and offering a
>strategy for possible solutions, is Dr Abdoulaye Saine. l want to point out
>to those who tend to label everything as "rhetoric" and give an impression
>of
>being above this rhetoric, that this new movement towards building a bridge
>towards change, and which all have embraced and praised, is a result of the
>analysis of the views and information provided by the so-called "rhetoric"
>speakers by Dr Saine's keen eye. Any downplay, dismissal or lack of
>recognition of that fact lends an air of dishonesty to the voice of those
>who
>express it.
>Therefore, l remind all my fellow Gambians, that in order for us to move
>forward as a nation, we must not only try to focus on actions rather than
>mere words, but we must also be honest in recognizing the truth, and giving
>credit wherever that credit is due.Anything short of this will tend to be
>seen as a sort of self agrandizement, and will consequently lesson or
>undermine the credibility of the contributor no matter how impressive.
>To continue on the issue of engaging in actions rather than mere words,
>and
>giving credit where it is due, GESO is an organization that was born from
>discussions on this L regarding the state of our educational institutions
>at
>home. From discussion, we moved forward to identify possible solutions and
>to
>invite those who wanted to put their money where their mouth is, to join
>the
>organization, and to start by sending in their monthly dues.Many people
>have
>come forward, including chapters in Norway, Denmark, U.K, The Gambia, and
>here in North America. This past month, we sponsored our first four high
>school students. We have posted the GESO document to this list several
>times,
>so that at least the majority of the members of this list have seen it, and
>are familiar with the organization's goals, among which are the sending of
>computers and other educational aids to The Gambia, and serving as a
>resource
>for our schools back home. Here is what l think is a worthy organization
>that
>can provide an avenue for going beyond mere criticism to action.
>However, as many notices as we have sent out on the L regarding GESO, and
>as
>mauch commentary as we have witnessed that pertains to action rather than
>words, very few people have joined this organization to put their money,
>time
>and energy to make a difference. Therefore, l am throwing out a challenge
>to
>those who are ready to move beyond rhetoric, to please join GESO, so we can
>do something, right here, right now, while we are working on setting the
>agenda for even greater achievements for our country.
>
>
>Meanwhile, let us keep in mind that it is criticism and discussion that
>inspired us towards the formation of this organization, and it is continued
>discussion and yes, criticism that has to continue in any society and
>nation,
>to make sure that the machinery of government tends to the business of the
>people. In short, for effective meeting of ideas, building of bridges, and
>the harnessing of individual contributions that result in good governance
>to
>benefit all, l hope we never come to a point where constructive criticism
>and
>the expression of our opinions are not just dismissed as mere "rhetoric"
>Let
>us make efforts to move forward by organization , action but by all means
>honesty as well.
>
>Jabou Joh
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Fellow Africans,
I am reminded of a hadith of the Prophet(PBUH) to the effect that half of
our Religion comes from our wives! We are two sides of the same coin, and
must therfore learn to love, respect, and cherish each other. May Allah
bless U all!
Akere D. Achu, MCSE
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>In a message dated 11/18/99 6:44:46 PM Central Standard Time,
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><< Jabou, we empathize with the women whose husbands treat them like second
> class citizens. However, we feel that western education is not the only
>way
> of the Gambian woman gaining her independence. There are women
>entrepreneurs
> back home who work in tailoring, fabric merchandising, etc., and we do
>not
> think they would be treated like that. Let's help our sisters back home
>with
> the resources for self-enhancement, thus raising their self-esteems
>levels
> high enough to take a detour from maltreatment like you described.
> >>
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>Awa & Ndey,
>
>Again thanks for this timely posting. However, l feel l must say here that
>l
>do not think l mentioned anything in my comment that implied that western
>education was the only way for Gambian women to gain their independence,
>and
>your comment here tends to imply that l said as much. l just mentioned the
>problem of the lack of respect for some of our sisters, demonstrated by
>their
>husbands, in that they do not discuss anything of significance with them at
>all, or even sit down to share a meal with them. Instead, they are
>relegated
>to order takers. l mentioned that they do not even sit down to eat with the
>wife, again giving the implication that they do not consider this
>individual
>an equal both in the partnership, as well as in intelligence. All these
>things have absolutely nothing to do with western education being needed to
>emancipate our sisters.
> Yes, there are many of our sisters who are engaged in entrepreneurial
>ventures that certainly give them the financial freedom, so that they do
>not
>have to feel the financial dependency that forces many a woman who are
>subjected to maltreatment by their spouses from speaking out. However, l
>think that to assume that the fact that these sisters are finacially able
>to
>support themselves has resulted in their total emancipation from male
>domination is quite a simplistic conclusion. While attaining financial
>independence is certainly a good point to start from, there are still many
>battles for us as women to fight.One can have all the money one needs so
>they
>do not have to be dependent, but perhaps the only other solution for this
>woman, when faced with an abusive, disrespectful or inconsiderate spouse
>would be to pack her bags and leave, which only serves as a temporary
>solution. l think what we must aspire to is a solution that will implement
>a
>change within that will ultimately take care of every aspect of how we are
>viewed in the society, as an integral part of it, able to contribute as
>much
>as anyone else. As you pointed out in your posting:
>
>"There cannot be any development without the full participation of women"
>
>The recognition that women are an integral part of the development of any
>nation has to start with our men gaining an understanding that we have
>opinions, ideas and the intelligence to contribute much. This in turn will
>only come about when we begin to see each other as equals, by interacting
>as
>equals, talking to each other, and where better to start than having a one
>on one interactions like sharing a meal. This was the basis of my comment
>about "not even sitting down to a meal with one's spouse".
>
>Now, then, the question is, how do we begin to help each other as women to
>gain not only the financial independence, but to face the overall
>challenge
>of being treated as just normal human beings with abilities to make
>staggering contributions?
>l am open to any ideas.
>
>Jabou Joh
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well said Saul. i hope others will read your enlightening piece.
Hamjatta
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Jaajef wa G-L,
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Dear Gambia-L Members,=20
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The Gambia Education Support Organization GESO Transition Team is proud to=20
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Hamjatta,
It is fair for you to insinuate that intellectual honesty should be tempered
with intellectual humility. Each of us has something to teach the other.
It would, however, be appreciated if you contextualize my position with
regards to scholarship. You would recall that I am diagnosed by Ayittey to
be suffering from "intellectual astigmatism". Ayittey does not know me.
Would it constitute bragging to refer him to consult with people he may know
in African academia? I thought that I was engaged in self defence instead of
bragging. However, I take note of the fact that what I assumed to be an
exercise in self defence appeared to you as a display of intellectual
pomposity. I take note of your observation and hope that it would reflect in
my handling of issues of this nature in the future.
Furthermore, you did not deal with the basis of my exposition. I stated very
clearly that Ayittey and Co. raised the wrong point, that is, whether
Nyerere is a saint or a knave. You know as much as I do that he neither. My
intention was not to review Nyerere's and Nkrumah's achievements and
shortcomings but to defend their integrity. My agenda was not hidden and I
believe the fact that Ayittey has made Nyerere an exception to those leaders
who looted their national coffers and totally betrayed the confidence and
appreciation of their people confirms that my intervention was not entirely
futile. I am glad that your summation is that we were saying the same thing
in different ways. I hope that all of us have seen the matter from that
angle. The theme Ayittey and Co chose, their introductory remarks and their
conclusion certainly did not give me the impression that they wanted to keep
Nyerere's contribution as a part and parcel of the history of the liberation
of the African people. It seemed to me that what they were trying to convey
is that Nyerere should simply slip away from the historical scene. I am glad
that all of us have acknowledged that that should not be.
You, however, indicated two postulations which are highly contentious. First
and foremost, you indicated that my prejudices run deep for both Nyerere and
Nkrumah because they were "old left Socialist Africanist".
I clearly do not believe that there is anything called African Socialist.
Social systems deal with production, distribution, accumulation as far as
economics is concerned. Politics is about power; who controls it; how it is
utilised and in whose interest. Culture is the way of life of a people - how
they relate to each other in all aspects of human existence.
How societies organise their production systems facilitate accumulation for
reproduction as well as distribute their products can easily be studies and
explained. This is the object of social science.
How power is concentrated, who wields it and in whose interest constitute
political science which can be studied and understood. How people relate on
the basis of social status; how they organise their marital system, child
raring, recreation or make use of their leisure time takes us in the realm
of culture which can be studied and understood. All this constitutes the
millieu within which social scientists conduct their tasks of apprehending
reality and explaining social phenomena.
A social scientist cannot believe in social systems. Belief falls in the
realm of faith and religion. Social systems give us an indication of the
type of life of a people, and ideas about social systems are mere tools that
enable us to understand social reality. Which tool we are to utilise to
solve the problem of rural and urban poverty in post colonial Africa is a
matter of debate and we are engaged in that enquiry and debate.
That is why in my respond to Cherno Baba, which you may have read by now, I
raised the question that scholars of Africa should ponder why is it that
rural Africa wears the same uniform of poverty and degradation irrespective
of whether their leaders claim to be Marxists, Capitalists, Socialists or
Democrats. Should we not set aside these terms now and leave them to
individual choice while we concentrate on trying to find out the causes,
consequences and solutions to the poverty of our people and their lack of
power which enable elites to brood over them like tyrants.
Frankly speaking, my school of thought varies from that of Nyerere and
Nkrumah. We converge only in our love for the African continent and people
and our desire to see to it that "Africa rises like a star among the world
constellations of nations", to quote a famous statement by Garvey who also
had his own approach to the liberation of the African people. I hope you
will not accuse me of lacking humility to utter that I have love for Africa
and her people like the Nyerere's and Nkrumahs.
I believe what I am trying to do, Hamjatta, is to give reasons why we should
appreciate all those who have given most of their life to liberate the
African people or improve their conditions. It is my sincere view that such
people should be treated with respect, and we should see their shortcomings
as lessons that should prepare us not to repeat their mistakes.
However, to criticise them continually with words without doing so in deed
by providing solutions to the problems they sought to solve constitutes, to
me, gross hypocrisy. I believe the challenge for Ayittey, myself and those
of you who are young and vibrant is to begin to take the road of those whom
we considered to have been inadequate in fulfilling them.
Lastly, you indicated that sometimes I do apply prose and cold logic when
dealing with Jawara but tend to lose this when dealing with Jammeh because,
according to you, Jammeh subscribes to some crude form of Pan-Africanism. I
would like you to provide concrete evidence to confirm your postulation. I
would want you to quote anywhere that I have used prose and cold logic to
deal with Jawara and the contrary to deal with Jammeh.
I believe your postulation is a by-product of mere speculation. It is clear
to all those who have been following our publication that we criticise the
parasitic bureacracy which existed under Jawara and still exists under
Jammeh; the failure to enlighten the people that existed under Jawara and
still exists under Jammeh; the reliance on taxes to scrape the backs of the
people to maintain a parastic bureacracy which existed under Jawara and
still exists under Jammeh; the wastage of resources on foreign travels,
ceremonies, etc. which existed under Jawara and still exists under Jammeh.
In fact our posture has been that in substance there has not been any break
in policy between the two regimes.
How then can anybody accuse me of favouring Jammeh because of Pan Africanist
sentiments. Where has Jammeh elaborated a Pan Africanist agenda? I am not
aware that any African leader is seriously contemplating on a Pan African
agenda.
A Pan African agenda becomes a mere rhetoric if it is not rooted in a clear
formulation of strategic economic, political, social and cultural policies
which should guide the establishment of a union of African states. I am not
aware that Jammeh has any notion of the type of economic, political, social
and cultural policies that should predicate the expression of Pan Africanist
sympathies.
Frankly speaking, no African leader exists at the moment who has expounded a
view on this score. I do not know how you got your impression.
One thing that is very clear is that our angle of taking up issue with
Jammeh is fundamentally different from our angle of taking up issue with
Jawara. This is obvious. Jammeh is not Jawara. Jammeh is in the defensive on
the issue of democracy, good governance. Jammeh took over power, abolished
representative institutions and imposed a council on the Gambian people. Do
we have to convince anybody that this was an undemocratic exercise of power
and that Jammeh started to rule without any democratic credentials? Was the
whole struggle during the transition period not about moving from an
undemocratic and unconstitutional setup to one that was constitutional and
democratic? Which sane Gambian will say that the transition is complete? Is
Jammeh still not trying to convince people of his democratic credentials?
Did Jawara have to convince anybody of his democratic credentials? Did he
have the same starting point with Jammeh?
Here it should be clear that once Jammeh succeeded in conducting the coup,
his undemocratic credential was taken for granted. On the other hand, once
Jawara came to office, his democratic credentials was taken for granted. It
was left to time to prove the affirmative or the contrary.
Suffice it to say, Jammeh has not hidden his extravagance to anyone. His
foreign travels, the expenditure on those foreign travels amounting to
hundreds of thousands are constantly exposed at the National Assembly. His
salary and incomes have been discussed at the National Assembly and is
common knowledge.
These are the things we used to expose under Jawara's regime. The only
difference at that time is due to the fact that they were not public
knowledge and we were seen as exposing secrets by indicating the President's
salary, allowances and so on and so forth. I know you are quite sure that we
were the first to publish the whole Auditor General's report for public
knowledge. Jammeh met a population which is already awaken. That is why
nothing is hidden in Gambian society today. Even the members of the ruling
party in the National Assembly are expressing disquiet after reviewing the
Auditor General's Report.
Hamjatta, there were Auditor General's reports under the Jawara regime. They
were never discussed in the House of Representatives. We used to take these
matters to try to tell the Gambian people what was happening. This is why
the impression is given to people that we used to expose more. The reality
is that we constituted the main source, if not the only source, of exposure
of the regime at the time.
Suffice it to say, unlike Jammeh, who has to convince people that he is
willing to be tolerant and open, Jawara was already seen as a democratic,
tolerant and open leader who respected the rule of law. We went to the
countryside and saw only tyranny. PPP chairmen having more power than
chiefs, commissioners and could even send civil servants on transfers. We
saw peasants being put on trucks and humiliated by the Cooperative Union
personnel for failing to pay their loans without any resort to the courts.
We saw chiefs passing on judgments and imprisoning peasants in seed stores
without the peasants knowing that they have a right to appeal to the
commissioner or the Supreme Court. We saw arrested people detained in jails
and could be slapped and brutalised any time without anyone protecting their
civil rights. Face to face with people administering the bureaucracy, the
peasants were mere serfs. We looked at the electoral system and discovered
tyranny in the countryside where opposition parties were banned from having
meetings in certain villages by villagers who claimed allegiance to the PPP.
We had the duty to explain all this to the people, but today it is common
knowledge that the APRC regime utilises money, privilege, threaten public
servants and relied on the July 22nd Movement to try to consolidate its
political agenda. It made no secrets of these things and they are known to
all. Its leaders stand before people and tell them that votes cannot remove
mansas from power
Hence, the reality is that what we were trying to expose under the Jawara
regime, because of the dormance of civil society, are now common knowledge
under the Jammeh regime. This is the difference. What we have been trying to
do is to show the people that change of personalities does not necessarily
lead to a change of system; that if people want to change they must
understand the system they want to change and the system they want to build;
that this will enable them to be able to make informed choices as to what
programme and political trend they should support. This is the point.
I know you are quire aware that we have never attacked Jawara's personality.
I may be wrong, but we have never even accused Jawara of being personally
corrupt because we did not have concrete evidence to make such a direct
allegation. What we used to carefully do is to point out the state's
decision to pay 72.8 million dalasi to The Gambia Commercial and Development
Bank for bad debts and so on and so forth to accuse him of maintaining a
corrupt regime. Of course, if we had concrete evidence, we would not have
hesitated to call a spade a spade. The same thing goes for Jammeh. We can
only point out to the extravagance and mismanagement of the country in
thousand and one ways and would call a spade a spade any time we have
concrete evidence to be able to satisfy the legal burden of accusing any
person to be personally corrupt. Since Jawara's days we have never been
careless with comments that could question the integrity of persons. We
would like to think that our conduct has always been tempered by a sense of
social responsibility.
I hope my points will be taken in good fate. You are, however, free to raise
more questions so that we can provide more clarification. Please read the
piece to Cherno Baba. May be that will throw more light on the Nyerere
issue.
My schedule was to deal with Saul Khan and O.B. Silla. However, being
convinced of the sincerity of your criticism, I had to give your piece a
prompt reply.
Greetings.
Halifa Sallah
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Halifa,
thanks for your clarification and the points you raised to defend yourself
and those associated with during the transition. i have a pretty much tight
schedule but will reply sufficiently tonight.
Good day.
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Tomorrow is Thanksgiving Day in the US. "Zillions" of Turkey will end up as
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Wishing all concerned a Happy Thanksgiving Day! From experience, be prepared
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Hi Members,
Here is a riddle to crack your brains. Please give it a try and come up with
the answer. I know there are some of you out there who can do it. Good
luck!!!
Annie.
1.There are 5 houses in 5 different colors.
2.In each house lives a person with a different job.
3.These five people drink a certain type of beverage, smoke a certain brand
of cigar, and drive a certain vehicle.
4.No one has the same vehicle, smokes the same brand of cigar or drinks the
same beverage.
The question is: WHO OWNS THE HONDA?
Hint:
*the Manager lives in the red house
*the Designer keeps a volvo station wagon
*the Buyer drinks tea
*the green house is on the left of the white house
*the green house's owner drinks coffee
*the person who smokes Pall Mall owns a Buick
*the owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill
*the man living in the center house drinks milk
*the physicist lives in the first house on the left
*the man who smokes Blends lives next to the one who has the minivan *the
man who keeps the Audi TT lives next to the man who smokes Dunhill
*the owner who smokes Bluemasters drinks beer
*the Engineer smokes Prince
*the physicist lives next to the blue house
*the man who smokes Blends has a neighbor who drinks water
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Brothers and Sisters,
I am a Cameroonian considering a job offer to Gambia, and I m very excited
about it. I have read and heard so many beautiful things about this part our
mother continent that I can't wait to go.
However, does anyone know if there is an ISP, Internet Service Provider in
Serakunda, or Banjul? In other words, can one get connected to the internet
over there? I will suppose so, but I am just trying to be sure. And if so,
does anyone who how much it cost to be connected per month, per hour, etc.
I will appreciate any information to this effect, or any reference for
further information. Thanks in advance, and may Allah bless U all!!!
Akere D. Achu,
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Akere,
Yes, there are at least two ISPs in Gambia I believe. The monthly fee is
around $25 I heard. A little too high for the average Gambian, but nothing
you can't handle. Your main problem will be the erratic electricity supply.
Good luck!
Saul
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>Brothers and Sisters,
>I am a Cameroonian considering a job offer to Gambia, and I m very excited
>about it. I have read and heard so many beautiful things about this part
>our
>mother continent that I can't wait to go.
>However, does anyone know if there is an ISP, Internet Service Provider in
>Serakunda, or Banjul? In other words, can one get connected to the internet
>over there? I will suppose so, but I am just trying to be sure. And if so,
>does anyone who how much it cost to be connected per month, per hour, etc.
>I will appreciate any information to this effect, or any reference for
>further information. Thanks in advance, and may Allah bless U all!!!
>Akere D. Achu,
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Published in FOROYAA of 25-29 November 1999.
THE DEBATE AFTER JAWARA'S U.S. TRIP
In the last issue, we published a report by Dr Amadou Janneh on former
President Jawara's visit to Atlanta, Georgia. We mistakenly mentioned Miami
instead of Atlanta.
A report, however, did come from his Miami trip from Dr Abdoulaye Saine.
According to him, Jawara was in Miami from 6 to 9 November 1999.
According to Dr Abdoulaye Saine, Jawara met with eight Gambians from
Cincinnati, Columbus and Atlanta.
According to him, the discussion was candid yet fruitful+ADs- that Mafy Jarjue
flew from Atlanta to attend the meeting and took the opportunity to
challenge Jawara's 30 year rule and praised the AFPRC Government. O.B.
Sillah is said to have raised the issue of what he termed as Jawara's
complacency to deal effectively with corruption and other problems faced by
Gambians+ADs- that Mr Mustapha Ceesay praised the former President for the
contributions he made to Gambia and as father of the nation. He is said to
have asked Jawara what compromises he was willing to make to enable him to
return home.
According to Dr Saine, +ACI-to the Jarjue and Sillah comments, Sir Dawda
insisted that his government improved living conditions, readjusted the
economy and laid the basis for the gateway project+ACI-.
According to Abdoulaye Saine, he suggested that the improvements were
marginal at best in light of 30 years of PPP rule. According to Saine,
Jawara responded as follows: +ACI-We did the best we could given our resources
and the dismal state of affairs after independence+ACI-.
Saine added that +ACI-Mr Abdou Sara Janha, former Secretary General of the civil
service, cited the decline in infant and maternal deaths, improvements in
clean drinking water as examples of PPP Government success+ACI-.
According to Saine, to Ceesay's question as to what compromises he was
willing to make to return home, Jawara responded that +ACI-he was willing to
engage President Jammeh in a discussion as a citizen and elder statesman if
he unbanned the PPP, other parties and politicians and created the
conditions for free and fair elections.
According to Saine, on 8 November Jawara delivered a lecture to an audience
of about 200 students, faculty and staff of Miami University.
According to Saine, a Kenyan faculty member in Miami's history department
asked what he would do differently if he had a chance to be President again.
According to Abdoulaye Saine's report +ACI-Sir Dawda responded that he would
continue to emphasise democracy and human rights and continue his economic
reforms. Some of my colleagues felt that Sir Dawda did not answer the
question.+ACI-
In the next issue, we will publish more on former President Jawara's
encounter with Kekoto Bajo, a Gambian living in Cincinnati, U.S. for over 20
years.
What we promised in the last issue is to provide evidence to Gambians of how
their society was being managed prior to the coup and is being managed now.
We promised to start with the question of managing the public sector.
A great debate has unfolded in the country and this debate should be taken
and will be taken to the people. It is the duty of all Gambians to read as
much as possible and convey what they have read to the Gambian people. This
is the era of information and the era of knowledge. No one should wait for
others to interpret realities for us. Each should grasp what is being
transmitted, consider all opinions and form one's own enlightened opinion.
It is very common today for people to enter into a debate as to whether the
regime under Jawara or that under Jammeh is more corrupt or accountable. The
country is a sovereign republic. It belongs to the Gambian people. That is
why the 1970 Constitution of the First Republic and the 1997 Constitution of
the Second republic have created provisions to ensure that Gambians know how
their tax money has been or is being spent.
The role of the Auditor General is to scrutinize government expenditure in
order to tell us which government mismanages national resources and which
one is accountable. Gambians, therefore, should ask themselves what the
Auditor General under Jawara's regime had been saying over the years about
the performance of the regime. They should also ask themselves what the
Auditor General under Jammeh's regime has been saying about the performance
of the regime.
This will enable Gambians to move away from sentiments and rely on objective
facts to pass judgment on the performance of the Jawara and Jammeh regimes.
It is interesting that the Auditor General under the Jawara regime had not
presented a report on the accounts of the Government of The Gambia from 1983
to 1991 until the year 1993. In 1993, he presented a report covering the
financial years 1983/84 to 1990/91. In June 1994, just before the coup
d'etat, a financial statement was given for July 1991 to June 1992. The
other years were still pending.
From 1994, after the coup, to 1997, no financial statements had been
prepared and submitted for audit. A report by the Auditor General came into
being in December 1998.
Let us now review the comments made by the Auditor General under Jawara's
regime in 1993 and that published by the Auditor General under the Jammeh
regime in 1998.
PRELIMINARY REMARKS OF THE AUDITOR GENERAL UNDER THE JAWARA REGIME
On Submission of Annual Accounts and Financial Statements
According to the Auditor General under the Jawara regime: +ACI-There have been
lapses in the submission of annual accounts and financial statements and the
provisions of Section 16 Cap 75 of the Finance and Audit Act have therefore
been violated.
+ACI-The following is the position regarding the Financial years under review:-
+ACI-1983/84 - Received 1989+ADs-
+ACI-1984/85 - Received 1990+ADs-
+ACI-1985/86 - Received 1990+ADs-
+ACI-1986/87 - Received 1991+ADs-
+ACI-1987/88 - Received 1991+ADs-
+ACI-1987/88 - Received 1991+ADs-
+ACI-1988/89 - Received 1992+ADs-
+ACI-1989/90 - Received 1992+ADs-
+ACI-1990/91 - Received 1993.+ACI-
+ACI-The outstanding financial statements are the subject of further
correspondence with the Accountant General for finalisation and
certification.+ACI-
Could one say that the Jawara regime adhered to the principles of
accountability? Let us refer to the Auditor General under the Jawara regime
for an answer.
ON PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY
+ACI-The backlog in processing, preparation and production and examination of
Government accounts is in progress. The Accountant General has published
annual accounts up to June 1991. The period covered by this report as
indicated earlier is 1983/84 - 1990/91. The following financial statements
are therefore outstanding as at the writing of this report and are the
subject of correspondence with the Accountant General.
+ACI-The financial statements for the years 1991/92 and 1992/93 are therefore
outstanding as at the time of writing this report and are the subject of
correspondence with the Accountant General.+ACI-
Now may we ask, what does the Auditor General under the Jammeh regime has to
say about financial statements:
FAILURE TO PRODUCE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS
+ACI-The last financial statements of The Gambia were published in June 1994 and
covered the financial year 1 July 1991 - 30 June 1992. In the absence of the
financial statements we carried out some audit work on the transactions and
controls of the Accountant General's Office.
+ACI-The production of the accounts for The Gambia is the responsibility of the
Accountant General. The accounts for the financial years from 1993 to 1997
have not been prepared and submitted to me for audit. A number of reminders
to this effect were sent to the Accountant General. In their absence I am
unable to report on the accounts as required by the Constitution. The
failure to produce financial statements is a matter of grave concern as we
are unable to confirm the level of expenditure made or revenue collected by
the Government+ADs- whether the government is operating a surplus or deficit+ADs-
and the overall indebtedness of the country. It also reflects poorly on the
standing of the country that it is unable to produce accounts. I believe
this is a serious matter, which should be addressed with urgency. Unless
urgent and concrete action is taken to ensure the outstanding Government
accounts are prepared and submitted for audit and the timely preparation of
future accounts, the process of accountability is seriously undermined. Once
the accounts are received I will put together a specific task force to
ensure the timely completion of the audits.+ACI-
Let us now move further.
FAILURE TO RESPOND TO AUDIT QUERIES
According to the Auditor General under the Jawara regime:
TO BE CONTINUED.
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Hi Akere,
You sure won't have any problems with an ISP infact it is the craze in town
these days. There's a monthly fee of D200 ($20), your only problem will be
power.
Cheers
Randy
akere achu wrote:
> Brothers and Sisters,
> I am a Cameroonian considering a job offer to Gambia, and I m very excited
> about it. I have read and heard so many beautiful things about this part our
> mother continent that I can't wait to go.
> However, does anyone know if there is an ISP, Internet Service Provider in
> Serakunda, or Banjul? In other words, can one get connected to the internet
> over there? I will suppose so, but I am just trying to be sure. And if so,
> does anyone who how much it cost to be connected per month, per hour, etc.
> I will appreciate any information to this effect, or any reference for
> further information. Thanks in advance, and may Allah bless U all!!!
> Akere D. Achu,
> Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
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GESO, what a great gesture. Musa Jeng, I feel guilty for not responding to
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Jaajef wa G-L
Just wanted to share some more different Islamic views on Fankanta
(Family Planning), from those put forward by Iman Fatty.
"Allah knows best and may He, Jalla wa Ala, guide all of us to worship
Him in the best manner. Allahumma a'inna ala dhikrika wa shukrika wa
husni ibaadatika".
Yeenduleen ak jaama
Tony
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Family Planning and Islamic Jurisprudence
Azizah Y. al-Hibri, J.D., Ph.D.
Copyright 1993, Azizah Y. al-Hibri
The following address was delivered on May 19, 1993 as part of the
Panel on Religious and Ethical Perspectives on
Population Issues convened by the NGO Steering Committee at Prepcom
II of the International Conference on
Population and Development at the United Nations.
Note on the Text:
In this speech, the author provides a brief overview of Islamic
jurisprudence on the subject matter and does not recommend
any particular position with respect to the debate on family planning. The
author, however, wishes to emphasize to the
reader the importance of correctly analyzing arguments and factors
involved in the particular situation under consideration, in
light of all relevant communal as well as individual factors. The author
also wishes to emphasize the importance of
formulating all such analysis free from all forms of compulsion and
coercion, whether conscious or subconscious, individual
or organized, including that of targeted advertising campaigns. For, in the
final analysis, each Muslim is personally
responsible to God for her own choices.
I am very pleased to have the opportunity today to address you on
issues of family planning from an Islamic jurisprudential
point of view.
To understand this point of view, we need to understand the basic
framework for such jurisprudence. First and foremost,
the basic text providing guidance on all Islamic matters is the Qur'an, the
revealed word of God. No Muslim can adopt a
point of view contrary to that of the Qur'an.
But the Qur'an, which provides a rich variety of specific rules and
general principles, does not explicitly address every
possible situation that may face a Muslim. For cases not explicitly
addressed therein, Muslims look to the example and
sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (his "Sunnah") as a secondary
source of guidance. Often, that, too, leaves open some
questions of interpretation or application. In such cases, Muslims rely on
ijtihad, which is the ability to analyze a Qur'anic
text or a problematic situation within the relevant cultural and historical
context and then devise an appropriate interpretation
or solution based on a thorough understanding of Qur'anic principles and
the Sunnah. This approach results in a highly
flexible jurisprudence and is rooted in the Qur'anic verse which instructs
Muslims who disagree on a matter to seek its
resolution by going back to the words of God and his Prophet.1
The flexibility of Islamic law is not accidental. It is an essential part of
Qur'anic philosophy, because Islam was revealed for
all people and for all times. Consequently, its jurisprudence must be
capable of responding to widely diverse needs and
problems. Furthermore, Islam was revealed gradually. This fact (as well
as certain verses in the Qur'an) illustrates the divine
recognition of the human difficulty in adjusting to sudden change.2
Hence, flexibility and evolution are inherent characteristics
of the religion. It must be noted, however, that this flexibility has its
limitations. It does not extend to the most fundamental
tenets of Islam, such as the belief in the unity of God.
Among the fundamental principles of ijtihad are the following:
1. Laws change with changes in time and place;
2. Choosing the lesser of two harms; and
3. Preserving public interest.3
In discussing issues of family planning, it is important to keep all of these
principles and the basic legal framework in mind.
For example, when a Muslim scholar reaches a conclusion about
contraception or abortion, it is important for that scholar
and the Muslim community he addresses to evaluate such conclusion in
light of their public interest. If the existence or
well-being of the community is being threatened for some reason, then
the scholar and each member of the community must
consider that fact, which is subsumed under Principle (3) above, in
reaching their own final conclusions. This is one reason
why laws changes with the change of time and place.
Family Planning in the Islamic Tradition
Like the other two Abrahamic religions, Islam values the family and
encourages procreation. Some Muslims have concluded
from these facts that Islam does not permit family planning. Two pieces
of evidence are often cited in support of this
conclusion. First, that the Qur'an prohibited Muslims from killing their
children for fear of want.4 Second, that the Prophet
exhorted Muslims to multiply.5 But this argument does not do justice to
the complexity of the Islamic position and the totality
of its teachings. Otherwise, it would be impossible to explain the
established fact that the Prophet knew that some of his
companions, including his cousin Ali, practices al-'azl (coitus interruptus)
and yet he did not prohibit the practice.6
To understand the fullness of the Islamic position on family planning, we
need to look more carefully at the total picture. Its
departure point, of course, is to encourage the life principle. Hence, the
Prophet's exhortation to multiply and the Qur'anic
prohibition of infanticide, a wide-spread pre-Islamic practice involving
born children which was motivated mostly by
economic and gender considerations.
But such a basic position does not necessitate the conclusion that
contraception, or even abortion, is prohibited. Indeed,
historically, the majority view among Muslim scholars on contraception
has been that it is permissible with the wife's
consent, though perhaps disliked in certain cases. The wife's consent is
required because Islam recognizes the wife's right to
sexual enjoyment and procreation.
A leading proponent of this view is al-Ghazali (d. 1111), who bases his
conclusions on the well-established principle that
what is not prohibited by the Qur'anic text or an authenticated Hadith
(words of the Prophet), or by analogical reasoning
with respect to either or both, is permissible.7 As to contraception, he
notes, there are no such prohibitions. In fact, the
opposite is true. His analogical logic is startling in its simplicity. In one part
of his argument, he notes that, despite the
prophetic exhortation to multiply, it is nevertheless permissible for a
Muslim to remain single. The effect of remaining single
on multiplying, he reasoned, is no different than the effect of practicing
al-'azl. Since the one is permitted, it follows that the
other, without more, is also permitted.8
Al-Ghazali argues, further, that although contraception is permissible, it is
makruh (adjective meaning "disliked or
disfavored") if practiced to avoid, for example, female offspring. One
major justification for this conclusion is that preference
for male offspring is frowned upon in the Qur'an.9 Al-Ghazali, however,
supports contraception for other reasons such as
protecting a woman from the dangers of childbirth, avoiding poverty, and
even preserving a woman's beauty.10
In the case of family planning through contraception, the wish to avoid
poverty does not infringe on the right to life of a born
human being. To the contrary, its goal is to preserve a dignified quality of
life for those already born. On the other hand,
using contraception to avoid having more females reflects a world view
and a value system antithetical to that of the Qur'an.
It was thus makruh and discouraged by scholars like al-Ghazali.11
Other jurists agreed with al-Ghazali's basic position on contraception but
disagreed on what constitutes makruh behavior.
Such disagreement may very well have been founded in their disparate
historical and cultural experiences. In other words,
these are the kind of differences anticipated and tolerated by the first
principle, and perhaps the other principles of ijtihad
listed above.
Contraception
Semen in Islam has no special value. Alone, it is not life and whether it
ever develops into life is a matter of divine
omnipotence. The Prophet himself said "not of all the semen a child is
formed...."12 He also told his companions that if God
wanted to create a human life, God would do so anyway, whether they
practiced al-'azl or not.13 A delicate analogy used
by al-Ghazali further illustrates the same point. Al-Ghazali likens
intercourse to a contract because it consists of an offer and
an acceptance. Thus, so long as the offer has not been accepted, it may
be withdrawn.14
Ibn Hazm, who lived in Islamic Spain (d. 1063), represents a minority
view on contraception. He adopts an extremely
restrictive position arguing that it is a form of hidden infanticide and is
thus prohibited by the Qur'an. His argument is based
on a report by Judama, a woman who heard the Prophet refer to al-'azl
as hidden infanticide.15 Al-Ghazali and many others
treat the same report differently. Focusing on the fact that a fetus does
not become a living being until it reaches a certain
stage of development, al-Ghazali concludes that the reported saying
indicates karahiyah (noun meaning "disfavor") and not
prohibition. In doing so, he relied in part on companion Ali's rejection of
the description of al-'azl as "minor infanticide."16
Among the five major traditional Islamic schools of thought, the majority of
Hanafis, Malikis, Ja'faris (Imamis) and Hanbalis
permitted the practice of al-'azl, subject to the wife's consent.17 In fact,
some Ja'fari and Maliki scholars gave the wife the
right to monetary compensation from her husband if he were to engage
in al-'azl without her permission.18 But, Ja'faris
permitted al-'azl without the wife's immediate consent, if she had already
consented at the outset.19 Some Hanafis and
Hanbalis, however, differed with the majority view of their school as to
the need for the wife's consent.20 Shafi'is permitted
al-'azl even without such consent, because in their view, the wife is
entitled to intercourse but not ejaculation.21
Recently, some Muslim scholars have returned to Ibn Hazm's minority
view. Part of the reason may be rooted in their
concern for the Muslim Ummah (something akin to a people) whom they
feel has become the intended target of population
control propaganda by the West. In such a case, however, the proper
analysis is not to go back to the controversial
arguments of Ibn Hazm. Rather, Muslim scholars should make their
position clear to other Muslims by appealing to
legitimate jurisprudential principles, such as those listed earlier. this
approach would allow them to reach their desired
conclusion, while at the same time utilizing full disclosure with other
Muslims. It would also preserve the integrity of scholarly
religious analysis, relate tot he community on a mature and principles
basis, and raise the community's consciousness while
leaving room for dissenting personal decisions by the average Muslim.
Abortion
Another major form of population control is abortion. The majority of
Muslim scholars permit abortion, although they differ
on the stage of fetal development beyond which it becomes prohibited.22
To understand the differences in their positions,
we have to first study what the Qur'an says about this matter.
There are two Qur'anic passages that address this issue. Both of them
describe stages of fetal development.23 These can
be summarized as follows: the semen (nutfah) develops in the womb,
together with the ovum, into a clinging clot ('alaqah),
then a chewed lump (mudghah) complete in itself yet incomplete, then
another act of creation takes place (khalqan
akhar). At this last stage of khalqan akhar, ensoulment occurs.
Scholars agree that abortion at or after the ensoulment stage is
prohibited, except to protect the mother's life.24 They
disagree, however, on when this stage is reached and whether abortion
at an even earlier stage is permitted. One group
permits abortion up to 120 days.25 Another prohibits it as early as 80 or
even 40 days after conception.26 In either case,
many take the view that abortion does not abruptly become prohibited at
a certain stage (whether that stage is reached at
ensoulment or earlier). Rather, abortion becomes increasingly makruh as
the fetus develops, until it becomes finally
prohibited.27
On the other hand, a minority of scholars hold a very strict view which
prohibits abortion the minute the semen attaches to
the uterus, on the theory that it is already on its way to being
ensouled.28 These scholars also view abortions performed at
later stages of pregnancy as yet more serious than those performed at
the earlier stages. This position was adopted recently
by some Muslim jurists, who relied on scientific evidence in reaching their
conclusion. While saluting the various efforts of
earlier Muslim jurists on the subject, they concluded "from a review of
contemporary medical and scientific advances...that
an embryo is a living organism from the moment of conception."29
Among the major traditional schools of thought, the majority of Hanafis
and Shafi'is permit abortion before the 120 days
period.30 Among the minority of Shafi'is who oppose this view is
al-Ghazali who describes abortion as a jinayah (crime).31
Hanbalis permit abortion before 40 days (by taking medicine) while
Ja'faris and Malikis prohibit it at any time.32 Of course,
all these views permit abortion for exigencies such as saving the
mother's life even after ensoulment.33
It is worth noting that Islamic societies have lived for centuries while
these widely differing schools of thought thrived in their
midst, side by side. All these schools were generally regarded as
examples of good and honest ijtihad. How a particular
Muslim came out on any one of these issues was viewed as a matter of
personal conscience. The overall picture of this
ijtihad is that family planning through contraception is less controversial
and hence preferable to family planning through
abortion.
If a woman is nevertheless faced with an abortion decision, and if after
deliberation she truly finds the reasoning of a
permissive group (like the majority Hanafi view) convincing, then she
should not be discouraged by the prior discussion on
disagreements, and should feel free to take advantage of the license
under her preferred view. This advice is based on the
Prophet's position of encouraging ijtihad and the Islamic scholarly tradition
of regarding differences among mujtahids
(those who engage in ijtihad) as an expression of the mercy of God on
Muslims.34
Final Considerations
This is a very short overview of Islamic jurisprudence on this topic. The
majority view is that a Muslim family is permitted to
engage in family planning. The actual answer, however, to today's
question of whether Muslim families ought to be
encouraged by their institutions to engage in family planning is somewhat
more complicated. The special features of this
historical epoch and its technetronic societies must be analyzed carefully
so that Muslim scholars and leaders do not lend
support to policies which, in the final analysis, turn out contrary to the
Islamic spirit or to public interest. For example, while
Islam permits a family to plan its growth rationally in order to avoid
poverty, this permission should not be distorted so as to
discourage or deny poorer people or less technologically developed
countries their right to propagation. Indeed, the Qur'an
tells us that God takes care of all creatures.35
Notes:
The research for this article was supported by a research grant from
The T.C. Williams School of Law at the University of
Richmond, and a travel grant from the University of Richmond.
I would like to thank Dr. Fathi Osman, Resident Scholar at The Islamic
Center of Southern California, and Drs. Hassan
Hathout and Maher Hathout, members of that Center, for their valuable
comments on the original text of the speech. This
text has been revised in response to their comments. However, I am
solely responsible for the views expressed herein.
Also, I would like to thank my research assistant, Ms. Leila Sayeh, a
Tunisian attorney, without whose help I could not have
completed this work on time.
Since this speech was given at a United Nations forum, and attended by
an international audience, I made a special effort to
reference my footnotes to reliable English-language works wherever
possible. These works provide references for those
interested in further research in original Arabic-language sources. My
English-language articles, some of which are referred
to here, also provide references to original Arabic sources.
1. Qur'an 4:59. This and other Qur'anic cites in this paper refer first to the
appropriate surah (chapter), and then to the
relevant ayah (verse). The author recommends the translation by A.
Yusuf Ali (Amana Corp., Brentwood, Maryland,
1983), although she does not abide by it here and prefers to use her
own.
2. For more on this and other concepts discussed in this introduction,
see "Islamic Constitutionalism and the Concept of
Democracy," by the author, published in the Case Western Reserve
Journal of International Law, vol. 24, n.1 (Winter
1992), pp. 3-10.
3. Ibid., pp. 8-10. See also Subhi Mahmassani, Falsafat al-Tashri' fi
al-Islam (Dar al-'Ilm lil-Malayin, Beirut, 1961), pp.
200-207, 480.
4. Qur'an 17:31, 6:151.
5. Abu Daud Sulayman ibn al-Ash'ah al-Sijistani, Sunan Abi Daud (reprint,
Dar 'Ihya' al-Sunnah al-Nabawiyah, Beirut,
1980), v. 2, p. 220. See also, Abdel Rahim Omran, Family Planning in the
Legacy of Islam (Routledge, London, 1992),
pp. 100-101. Omran's book is an excellent work in terms of scholarship
and knowledge of the tradition. The Hadith
contained in it has been authenticated by a committee of scholars at
al-Azhar. For those interested in a detailed analysis by
the author of this paper of the nuances of some of the arguments
discussed here or of the original Arabic texts, see an article
co-authored with other religious scholars (heretofore untitled,
forthcoming) in which al-'azl (coitus interruptus) is discussed,
Loyola of Los Angeles International and Comparative Law Journal, v. 16,
n. 1.
6. Abu Hamid M. al-Ghazali, 'Ihya' Ulum al-Din (reprint, Mustafa al-Babi
al-Halabi wa awladuhu, Cairo, 1939), with an
authentication of the sayings of the Prophet by Hafiz al-Islam al-Iraqi in
the margin, vol. 2, p. 54; Omran, pp. 118-19.
7. The Qur'an refers to this principle in several contexts. See, for
example, Qur'an 6:119, 5:90, 66:1, and 3:50. For
al-Ghazali's argument, see al-Ghazali, Muqaddimah fi 'Ihya' 'Ulum
al-Shari'ah (Dar al-'Ilm lil-Malayin, Beirut, 1962),
20-21. See also B.F. Mussallam, Sex and Society in Islam (Cambridge
University Press, Cambridge, 1983), p. 17. This is
another excellent book, in the English language, on this topic. Another
short discussion of this important principle appears in
Omran, pp. 75-76.
8. Al-Ghazali, ibid. But al-Ghazali adds here that contraception is not like
abortion which he views as a jinayah (crime)
even at the earliest stages of pregnancy. Mussallam, ibid.
9. Qur'an 16:58.
10. Al-Ghazali, v. 2, p. 53.
11. Ibid., v. 2, p. 53.
12. Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj al-Qushayri, Sahih Muslim (Muhammad Ali Sabih
wa Awladuhu, Egypt, 1963?), v. 4, p.159.
See also, Omran, p. 120.
13. Muslim, p. 158. See also, Omran, p. 122.
14. Al-Ghazali, v. 2, p. 53; Mussallam, p. 18.
15. Abu Muhammad ibn Hazm, al-Muhalla (reprint, Maktabat al-Jumhuriyah
al-Arabiyah, Cairo, 1970), v. 11, pp.
291-92; Omran, p. 136; also mentioned in al-Ghazali, p. 54, who calls her
"Juthama." Omran contests the accuracy of the
name used by al-Ghazali and others. See Omran, p. 130. For more on Ibn
Hazm's views, see also al-Muhalla, vs. 10 and
12. In the latter volume, he discusses appropriate awards for torts
resulting in miscarriage at various stages of pregnancy.
The discussion gives a clearer picture of Ibn Hazm's views.
16.Al-Ghazali, v. 2, p. 54; Omran, p. 133.
17. Wahbah al-Zuhaili, Al-Fiqh al-Islami wa Addillatuh (Dar al-Fikr,
Damascus, 1984), v. 7 pp. 331-332. See also Abd
al-Halim Abu Shaqqah, Tahrir al-Mar'ah fi 'Asr al-Risalah (Dar al-Qalam,
Kuwait, 1992?), v. 5, pp. 196-97, and
Omran's discussion of these various positions, pp. 152-167. See also the
author's forthcoming paper, referred to in footnote
5, for further discussion on the subject of this paragraph. Also, please
note that the Shi'i schools of ijtihad are many, and
their ijtihad tradition is very rich and varied. We shall treat here only the
Imami Ja'fari tradition.
18. Omran, pp. 155, 165; Mussallam, p. 32.
19. Omran, pp. 153-54, 162-63; Mussallam, pp. 31-32.
20. Omran, p. 159; Mussallam, p. 31-32.
21. Omran, p. 159; Mussallam, p. 31.
22. For quick outline of the various points of view on this point, see
Omran, p. 190-193. See also Muhammad al-Bar,
Mushkilat al-Ijhadh (Al-Dar al-Saudiyah lil-Nashr wa al-Tawzi', Jeddah,
1985), pp. 5-45.
23. Qur'an 22:5 and 23:12-14.
24. Omran, p. 191.
25. Madkur, Muhammad Salam, Al-Janin wa al-Ahkam al-Muta'allikah bihi
fi al-fiqh al-Islami (Dar al-Nahdhah
al-Arabiyah, Cairo, 1969), pp. 301-302 (describing the Hanafi view
which permits abortion at that stage even without the
husband's permission; also noting that many Hanafis regard abortion
during that early period as makruh, if without good
reason). Omran, p. 191; al-Bar, p. 42.
26. Omran, pp. 190-192. Dr. Osman and Drs. Hassan Hathout and Maher
Hathout hold the view that differences as to the
number of days before which abortion is permissible was a function of
the state of knowledge at the time the specific ijtihad
took place. Dr. Osman also adds that it was a function of the dominant
culture. Dr. Hassan Hathout views the controversy
as based on differences in determining the stage at which fetal life
begins. He argues that such determination should not be
confused with the determination of when ensoulment takes place, i.e.
when the ruh (soul) enters the body. For evidence, he
cites the Qur'an 7:85, which states that only God knows about the ruh.
He argues that ensoulment takes place in a living
being and that it is impermissible to perform abortion on a living being
even before ensoulment. For more on this point of
view, see endnote 29 and related text.
27. See for example al-Ghazali, p. 53. While he views abortion as
prohibited from the moment of conception, he
nevertheless argues that abortion at a later stage is an even greater
jinayah.
28. Madkur, p. 302 (describing the Maliki view). See also Omran, pp.
190-193; al-Bar, pp. 40-41.
29. Abd El-Rahman al-Awadhi, ed., Human Reproduction in Islam: The Full
Minutes of the Seminar on Human
Reproduction in Islam, held in Kuwait on May 24, 1983, Ahmad al-Gindi,
trans. (Kuwait, 1989), p. 276. The point of
view of jurists meeting in Kuwait is both interesting and worthy of further
discussion. For one, it may have unnecessarily
technologized the issue of abortion and reduced it to a medical
determination about the beginning of life. For another, it may
not have sufficiently taken into account the controversies that exist even
today, in medical as well as non-medical circles, on
the question of when life begins. (For a preliminary discussion of the role
of medicine in Islamic jurisprudence, see Madkur,
pp. 89-103.) I would like to address the issue in greater detail in the
future. Finally, it is also worth noting that this modern
view coincides in its conclusion (though not reasoning) with the view of
al-Ghazali. (See endnotes 8 and 27.)
30. Madkur, pp. 87, 301-305 (noting that some Shafi'is disagreed on what
constitutes a good reason for abortion prior to
120 days.) Omran, ibid., pp. 190-193.
31. Al-Ghazali, v. 2, p. 53.
32. Madkur, p. 304-305 (noting that Hanbalis did not treat this subject in
great detail; also, noting that another Shi'i group,
the Zaydi's, have no problem with abortion up to the stage of mudghah,
the last stage before which the fetus is ensouled).
See also, Omran, pp. 191; al-Bar, p. 40. See also, Muhammad al-'Amili,
Wasa'il al-Shi'a (reprint, Beirut, n.d.), v. 19, p.
15. Note that the Hanbali scholar, Ibn Rajab, shares al-Ghazali's view.
Al-Bar, p. 40.
33. Omran, p. 191; al-Bar, p. 44.
34. For a discussion of this point, see my Islamic Constitutionalism and
the Concept of Democracy, pp. 5-7. See also
Mahmassani, Mukaddimah fi 'Ihya' 'Ulum al-Shari'ah, esp. pp. 13-31.
35. Qur'an 11:6.
About the Author:
A Muslim philosopher, jurist and author, Dr. al-Hibri has taught philosophy
and ethics at several universities and was a
Visiting Scholar at the Harvard Divinity School and the Center for the
Study of World Religions. Dr. al-Hibri is the author
and editor of many articles and books, including Women and Islam. She is
also a member of the Advisory Board of the
American Muslim Council.
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Thanks for the information
For those of us far away who are interested we would appreciate to get a
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Hi Folks,
It is a pleasure to announce to the Gambia-l family that I was conferred
the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Chemistry this morning (at the fall
congregation), by the Chancellor of the University of British Columbia.
My area of specialization is Surface Science, which emphasizes
investigations of the structural, chemical, electronic and vibrational
properties of metal and semiconductor surfaces under ultra-high vacuum
conditions.
It has been a long journey from Kaur Primary School, where it all began.
Glad to be in the company of Dr. Abdoulaye Saine and Dr. Katim Touray
(both fellow Saloum-nkolu), whom, knowingly or not, were an inspiration.
Thought I should share my day of joy with you all. HIP HOP HORAY!!! OH!!!
HAY!!! OH!!!
Have a nice day!
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Basil,
I always enjoy reading your interesting analysis. Keep it up. I have tried to access this
document but find it difficult to get through . Any help ? Regards . Bro Tejan.
B.M.Jones wrote:
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>
> I came across a paper on the evolution of the Gambian
> economy and it provides a very concise summary of the
> economic performance from 1964-1998. The first 13 pages is
> is easy to read, thereafter it becomes a little bit
> technical. The evolution of the economy is divided into
> four phases of real significance 1964-78, 1979-86,1987-94,
> 1995-98. Easy comparisons can be made. The paper can be
> downloaded from:
> http://www.imf.org/external/country/GMB/index.htm
> and search under publications for a paper by Christian
> Beddies (August 1999).
>
> To Ndey, Jabou, Awa and the other sisters, I consider
> myself to be liberal and believe in equality and
> appreciate your contributions to the L. Keep the postings
> coming.
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Congratulations Madiba! Ining Bara!
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>
> It is a pleasure to announce to the Gambia-l family that I was conferred
> the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Chemistry this morning (at the fall
> congregation), by the Chancellor of the University of British Columbia.
>
> My area of specialization is Surface Science, which emphasizes
> investigations of the structural, chemical, electronic and vibrational
> properties of metal and semiconductor surfaces under ultra-high vacuum
> conditions.
>
> It has been a long journey from Kaur Primary School, where it all began.
> Glad to be in the company of Dr. Abdoulaye Saine and Dr. Katim Touray
> (both fellow Saloum-nkolu), whom, knowingly or not, were an inspiration.
>
> Thought I should share my day of joy with you all. HIP HOP HORAY!!! OH!!!
> HAY!!! OH!!!
>
> Have a nice day!
>
> Cheers,
> Madiba.
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Note: A tight schedule with my classes distracted me from Gambia-L. Hence
the brief delay in responding to your response.
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Well. It's been quite an exciting literary cross-fire. It ought to be. It is
nice to provoke a debate. Nicer still, when a proliferation of comments and
ideas follow, and when these comments and ideas - their comicality or
illogicality notwithstanding - are given due recognition and
acknowledgement.
I must say that I am a bit titillated by your arguments this time. It is a
better alternative from your earlier comments that were so dogmatically
Pan-Africanist, misleading and lacking objectivity, that it was tempting to
toss your rejoinder to Ayittey's article aside. I said that you argued your
points from the position of a Pan Africanist, and you said you argued yours
from polemics.
Polemics? Please! Beauty, they say, lies in the eyes of the beholder. You
are entitled to your own opinion, even wrong opinions. But honestly, there
is nothing seriously polemical about your article. Well, wait: your
condemnation of colonialism for not leaving behind productive bases for
independent African countries shimmer out for acknowledgement. You wrote:
"....it was the colonial multinational corporations which controlled imports
and exports, mines, plantations and industrial establishments. What could
such people do to create a national economy?"
But here, you simply landed yourself on common ground, marshalling familiar
evidence known to everyone even a primary six pupil. The rest of your
article is akin to sauerkraut ice-cream - a mishmash of incompatible
ingredients - ranging from your regurgitation of history without analytical
connectivity, to fault-mongering, blame-shifting on American leaders,
reeking of irrelevant thinking, to your so-called "dialogue with Nyerere,"
mouth-watering with plaudits and eulogies.
Your Pan Africanism, not polemics, summoned your wit to urge Ayittey and
others to find ways of salvaging Africa from its political and economic
morass. You wished: "so-called intellectuals like Dr. George Ayittey have
the responsibility of examining this net in which Africa finds itself and
come up with ideas which can facilitate the liberation of the African
continent rather than engage in this empty quackery which those who
controlled us yesterday still occupy us with, thus depriving us of being the
architects of our own destiny."
You then harped on Nkrumah's wish for an Economic Commission for Africa, and
Lumumba's clarion call for an African renaissance, and you went the whole
hog, accusing African scholars of reading "without sincerety and honesty,"
the works of Nkrumah, Nyerere, Frantz Fanon, Cabral, and "reading the works
of those who have plagiarized what has been written by many pioneers of the
national liberation movement..." Are you a polemicist or a Pan Africanist
here?
I am flattered by your self-trumpeting plaudits. You enthused: " I have
succeeded in achieving precisely what I set out to achieve. This is
confirmed by the back-tracking that Ayittey has made in his response to my
challenge." But if you had taken your time, tempered your effusiveness with
restraint, and re-read Ayittey's and Shirima's article, you would have
realized that your celebration of self-congratulation is simply hogwash.
The back-tracking in Ayittey, in your thinking, is summed up in this
addendum of his: " No African would deny that the first generation of
leaders strove gallantly and endured personal hardships to win independence
from colonial rule. They were hailed as heroes by their people and the
international community. We made this point in our piece. BUT in country
after country, these leaders proceeded to establish brutal regimes, violated
the civil rights of their own people and looted their economies. Nyerere was
an exception, which we also said in our article." And you conclude: "The new
element here is the emphasis that Nyerere is an exception. That is my
point." But what's wrong with your vision? Need I more proof why you have
let your emotionalism traumatise your objectivity in this issue, making you
impervious to even visible things?
Re-read Ayittey's and Shirima's article. They write: "Although Julius
Nyerere belonged to this generation of African leaders, he did not display
their egregious and megalomaniac excesses. He was not personally corrupt and
his living style modest - a rare and refreshing exception among African
leaders." They continue: "Nyerere was also among the very few African heads
of state who relinquished political power voluntarily." Is Ayittey and
co-writer not emphasizing Nyerere's exceptional qualities?
Ayittey wrote that clarification to energize your mind to the fact you had
completely taken his argument on this issue, out of context. This is why I
said earlier on that your initial rejoinder to Ayittey's and Shirima's
article had misleading effects. You write: " They say in their paper that it
is criminally irresponsible for people to accord the Nkrumahs and Nyereres
the respect that is being given to them by those who knew their
contributions." That is false.
The co-writers didn't say anything close to that. They write: "To
continuously celebrate them (Nkrumahs and Nyereres, insertion mine), without
a hint of of the unspeakable misery they bequeathed to their people is
criminally irresponsible." Ayittey and Shirima is not urging us not to
celebrate the achievements of the Nkrumahs and Nyereres. They are aware of
their heroism but at the same time urging us not to lose sight of the fact
of their failures and shortcomings.
Your misleading allusions continue: After quoting Nyerere verbatim on
leadership, you concluded: "This is what Nyerere said on 1 January 1968 at a
seminar organized by university students. Now we may ask: can this be the
words of a tyrant?" You gave the wrong impression of Ayittey and Shirima
tagging Nyerere a tyrant. Again, quoting Nyerere verbatim on freedom, you
concluded: "Now we may ask: can someone who wanted to be a megalomaniac
utter such statements?" Your utterance of "megalomaniac" has origins rooted
in this part of Ayittey's and Shirima's article: "Although Julius Nyerere
belonged to this generation of African leaders, he did not display their
egregious and MEGALOMANIAC(emphasis mine)excesses." How does your allusion
square up with this?
You see, I am sifting through the debris of your article, separating fib
from fact, myth from reality, blindness from clarity, which if lumped into a
mixture can find easy access to gullible minds. I am enjoying the trouble to
do all this, lest misinformation and subjectivity cloud our collective
insight.
You said that your "objective was not to refute facts, but to refute the
interpretation of those facts that put Nyerere in a negative light." The
reality is, you can't refute anything in Ayittey's and Shirima's article.
And you have now reduced your so-called polemics to an interpretation of the
"interpretation of those facts" that put Nyerere in a bad light. Nyerere in
a negative light? Who cares if his shortcomings and failures put him so?
Again, you are miffed at the contents of the co-writers' article that you
can't refute, and which put Nyerere in a "negative light" that you don't
like. Reference to his positives in Ayittey's and Shirima's article don't
shimmer into your view. You are not interested. You are worried about the
"interpretation of those facts that put Nyerere in a negative light." Whoa!
But let's stretch your interpretation of facts further. First, you take
issue with the caption of the article, NYERERE: A Saint or A Knave? And: you
define the words, Saint and Knave. And: you want Ayittey and colleague to be
conclusive in their assessement of Nyerere's legacy. Call him a Saint or a
Knave, you seem to argue. That failing, you find their position absurd. In
sheer immaturity of thinking, piffling analysis, you conclude: "....if we
rely on the evidence that Ayittey and Shirima have given and which you have
quoted from(the positives and negatives of Nyerere, insertion mine),
we would have to conclude that Nyerere is both a saint and a knave. Nothing
can be more ridiculous than such a conclusion."
Plunging us into such semantics minutiae cannot deviate us from the contents
of Ayittey's and Shirima's article. Nyerere had his good and bad sides. He
wasn't all-saintly, or all-knavely. His legacy is impressive here,
unimpressive there. Apparently, you can't grasp this fact of reality. Your
worry over Nyerere being cast in a "negative light" by his own failures and
shortcomings, is worst than ridiculous. I hereby state: your defence of
Nyerere is an infatuatioin, and like every other infatuation, you are
seduced by the pleasures of his achievements, and blinded to the extremities
of his shortcomings.
Objectivity is never attainable like that. The mentality you have tossed
into your so-called polemics is called fanaticism. Someday, you may be able
or willing to come to terms with not only Nyerere's achievements or his Pan
Africanism, but also his abject failures. It wasn't encouraging that your
initial rejoinder to Ayittey's and Shirima's article was all-embracing,
all-appreciative of the Nyereres and the Nkrumahs, and without a scintilla
of dissent over their policies. This is why people like me do not buy this
kind of Pan- Africanism. And we make no fetish of the personalities of
Nkrumah or Nyerere or any other for that time. We are both in agreement and
dissonance over their policies. The fact that they were Africans or strove
hard to wrest independence from the Colonialists matters less to me.
Worrying over Nyerere being cast in a bad light, or sifting through the
semantics of what is saintly or knavish about Nyerere, or Kamuzu Banda being
mentioned in an article about Nyerere, which gives you the hackneyed
imagination that Nyerere is being equated with the Hastings Bandas can only
emphasize why people like me can find you so intellectually trifling,
delusionally imaginative. And this is intellectual sophistication? Please!
Your fixation on my vocabulary never ceases to entertain me. Time was when
out of trifling imagination, you deluded yourself into thinking that all I
do is to fish out for words in a dictionary and paste them into my writings.
Here again, you are being inundated with my language. You write: "It is
indeed true that language is the tongue of the mind and proficiency or
eloquence in the use of language is of aesthetic value. Fine language,
however, tends to lose its finess when it is not tempered by substance." Let
me add this: when ideological myopia, intellectual sloppiness,
self-perpetuated delusions are being preyed upon by the candour, precision
and truthfullness of arguments, it can bring an unintended effect of
spawning cynicism and obscurantism into the minds of message-recipients,
making them impervious to the essentiality of lessons. So need I wonder why
you keep hammering at and yammering about, my "flowery language?"
But I am pleased for one thing about your response: "Frankly speaking," you
write,"I do enjoy your interventions. It strikes me that you have a right
approach to freedom of expression. You seem to believe that everyone has the
right to speak about anything and everything....." This is a positive
back-tracking from your soap-box oratory, earlier this year. Recall what you
said: Cherno Baba, we have closed many mouths in The Gambia, and we are very
confident that before the end of this debate you will put your foot in your
mouth.
Translation: your ideological invincibility has crushed many, and will spare
no-one. Well. Indication is, your self-perpetuating delusion of ideological
grandeur is being gradually disciplined by the grace of humility. And
understanding. There.
I rest my case. Thanks for the correspondence.
Best regards,
Cherno B. Jallow
Detroit, MI
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Hamjatta,
I wrote that Ayittey is a critic, writer and scholar. You don't have to
agree. I have read Ayittey intensely enough to vouch for his erudition,
objectivity, insight and scholarship. Again, you are at liberty to disagree
with me.
You write: "as for Ayittey when I read his piece, that this is some
scholarly work was laughable and a big joke. For Cherno Baba to load
plaudits on Ayittey's erudition as a scholar tells you why Cherno is a
dilettante in disquinshing(sic)between flowery prose and sholarly work." You
are casting doubt on Ayittey's scholarship. You have every right to, but on
what grounds? You did not provide any evidence why Ayittey's scholarship is
piffling.
But the solace is, you didn't find anything in his article worth your
skepticism of being scholarly. Atleast, you didn't mention it in your
article. Better still, you went the whole hog emphasizing Ayittey's point to
Halifa: "Frankly,you assert,"had Halifa read Ayittey's central theme with
detached emotions of someone with every right to be annoyed but nonetheless
sanguine, he would have discovered that Ayittey's contention is thus: the
Nyereres and Nkrumahs of Africa are certainly not saints. Heroes they are
but saints they aint." Here, you are defending not refuting, Ayittey's
arguments.
Dawdling over who is a scholar, isn't, what is scholarshp, isn't, can
fritter away our energies and make us take polarizing interpretations or
definitions. We can argue about this for the entire next millenium. It is
unnecessary. For example:
You called Halifa a "scholar of great distinction and erudition." What makes
your scholar or his arguments in this debate, scholarly, is open to
question. While neither you nor Halifa has been able to refute anything in
Ayittey's article, you tried to raze to the ground, your scholar's
scientific methodology and enquiry. You are in doubt of your scholar: " If
you had displayed this principle of scientific inquiry into your answer and
defense of Nyerere and Nkrumah," you told Halifa, "you would set your
sympathies and Pan African prejudices aside and employ the cold logic of
scientific inquiry to dissect the lives and times of these two African
leaders." Here, you defend, or if you please, emphasize, Ayittey's central
theme in his article that you don't find scholarly, and in the same breath,
you cast doubts on your scholar's scientific methodology and inquiry.
Re-arrange your arguments; they are upside down.
Like a cat on hot bricks, you jumped from your criticism of Halifa to the
"pomp and sententious piffle" in my writings. And you add: "you seem to
forget that you have yet to graduate and mistake your flowery prose and
immature verbosity with(sic)intellectual precision."
Well. It is surprising that this criticism has come belatedly. First, you
didn't say what was "immature verbosity" about my writings. Second,when you
commented on my critique of Halifa's rejoinder to Ayittey's and Shirima's
article, my "flowery prose and immature verbosity" didn't strike you. You
wrote: "Cherno, whilst you were very correct in debunking Halifa's
misconceived and misplaced afrocentrism, perchance you were a bit harsh on
him;even name-calling. Anyway, thanks for such a brilliant and gallant
piece." How short is your memory.
In your compliment, you had simply qualified my article as "brilliant and
gallant." I assume that since you found my article so, you must have read it
over and again. Surprise, surprise, it never stroke you that my article was
choke-full with "flowery prose and immature verbosity." Which compels me to
wonder if you are simply borrowing a line of thinking from Halifa, who,
currently, like in the past, continues to be pettifogging over my prose and
choice of words.
I hereby assert: your originality of thinking in this regard is sans teeth,
sans taste, sans eyes, sans everything. It is skewed and sullied. Or worse,
blindness of vision and confusion of imagination, clogged your deciphering
of "flowery prose and immature verbosity" in my article before giving it
thumbs-up. Or are you referring to other articles I wrote not this one?
Either way, I find your arguments incapacitated by contradiction.
Let me confess: I love words; it is no joke. Ever since primary six, I have
cultivated the habit of introducing myself to new words, finding their
meanings and utilizing them as and when necessary. Everywhere I am, I am
armed with a vocabulary book, which records any new word, phrase,idiom I
come across in my readings. Over the years of writing, my vocabulary has
enriched itself, my familiarity with words and expressions has come in handy
- time and again.
Many of my readers in both The Gambia and elsewhere, continue to tell me how
my stretch of prose brings into locus, issues and realities that they
otherwise couldn't have deciphered or couldn't have commented upon for
limited eloquence. Needless to say, as I write this response, my e-mail
account is full of compliments from many people, on my prose and style of
writing.
You see, words serve as vessels of message. They quicken the pace of
communication. You may not like how the message is being carried or the
message itself. This is why it is imperative that you do not lump my
"flowery prose and immature verbosity" with my arguments and ideas into the
same camp. They need compartmentalization. Judge me in each case. And it is
an unruly rush to judgement for you to think that I "mistake {my} flowery
prose and immature verbosity" for intellectual maturity.
I am not an intellectual. Nor do I claim any intellectualism;I am not there,
yet. Let the intellectuals be. I see myself simply as a young, budding
reporter and writer trying to make sense of my existence and realities
around me, yet occasionally prone to youthful immaturities and peccadilloes,
and limited in my human capacity to grapple with the elasticities of world
complexities.
You stressed that I hadn't graduated yet. Translation: university graduation
or degree will propel me to "intellectual precision." Wrong. True, I am only
an undergraduate, but university graduation or degree is certainly not the
only path to intellectual maturity and wisdom. In my opinion.
Again, you are at liberty to disagree. Anyway, thanks for the stimulating
criticism, and the compliments earlier.
Best regards,
Che'
Detroit, MI
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I'm sorry you ran into problems at the GESO website -- Modou Camara is back
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CONGRATULATIONS DR. SAIDY. YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENT IS VERY WELL WORTH
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Congratulations
Habib Diab Ghanim
Madiba Saidy wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> It is a pleasure to announce to the Gambia-l family that I was conferred
> the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Chemistry this morning (at the fall
> congregation), by the Chancellor of the University of British Columbia.
>
> My area of specialization is Surface Science, which emphasizes
> investigations of the structural, chemical, electronic and vibrational
> properties of metal and semiconductor surfaces under ultra-high vacuum
> conditions.
>
> It has been a long journey from Kaur Primary School, where it all began.
> Glad to be in the company of Dr. Abdoulaye Saine and Dr. Katim Touray
> (both fellow Saloum-nkolu), whom, knowingly or not, were an inspiration.
>
> Thought I should share my day of joy with you all. HIP HOP HORAY!!! OH!!!
> HAY!!! OH!!!
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> Have a nice day!
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Congrats Madiba,
We need more people like yourself. I wish you all that you wish yourself.
Cheerio!
Saul
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>Hi Folks,
>
>It is a pleasure to announce to the Gambia-l family that I was conferred
>the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Chemistry this morning (at the fall
>congregation), by the Chancellor of the University of British Columbia.
>
>My area of specialization is Surface Science, which emphasizes
>investigations of the structural, chemical, electronic and vibrational
>properties of metal and semiconductor surfaces under ultra-high vacuum
>conditions.
>
>It has been a long journey from Kaur Primary School, where it all began.
>Glad to be in the company of Dr. Abdoulaye Saine and Dr. Katim Touray
>(both fellow Saloum-nkolu), whom, knowingly or not, were an inspiration.
>
>Thought I should share my day of joy with you all. HIP HOP HORAY!!! OH!!!
>HAY!!! OH!!!
>
>Have a nice day!
>
>Cheers,
> Madiba.
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Cherno,
Your defence of your position is admirable. Halifa's declaration about
shutting up critics in the Gambia is what gets to me. Just b/c people don't
have the time or the resources to go back and forth w/ him doesn't mean that
they've "put their foot in their mouth." But I guess when you live in your
own little universe, you're bound to see the regular world through some
peculiar prizm. Excellent response, anyway.
Saul Saidykhan
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>Note: A tight schedule with my classes distracted me from Gambia-L. Hence
>the brief delay in responding to your response.
> -----------------
>
>Well. It's been quite an exciting literary cross-fire. It ought to be. It
>is
>nice to provoke a debate. Nicer still, when a proliferation of comments and
>ideas follow, and when these comments and ideas - their comicality or
>illogicality notwithstanding - are given due recognition and
>acknowledgement.
>
>I must say that I am a bit titillated by your arguments this time. It is a
>better alternative from your earlier comments that were so dogmatically
>Pan-Africanist, misleading and lacking objectivity, that it was tempting to
>toss your rejoinder to Ayittey's article aside. I said that you argued your
>points from the position of a Pan Africanist, and you said you argued yours
>from polemics.
>
>Polemics? Please! Beauty, they say, lies in the eyes of the beholder. You
>are entitled to your own opinion, even wrong opinions. But honestly, there
>is nothing seriously polemical about your article. Well, wait: your
>condemnation of colonialism for not leaving behind productive bases for
>independent African countries shimmer out for acknowledgement. You wrote:
>"....it was the colonial multinational corporations which controlled
>imports
>and exports, mines, plantations and industrial establishments. What could
>such people do to create a national economy?"
>
>But here, you simply landed yourself on common ground, marshalling familiar
>evidence known to everyone even a primary six pupil. The rest of your
>article is akin to sauerkraut ice-cream - a mishmash of incompatible
>ingredients - ranging from your regurgitation of history without analytical
>connectivity, to fault-mongering, blame-shifting on American leaders,
>reeking of irrelevant thinking, to your so-called "dialogue with Nyerere,"
>mouth-watering with plaudits and eulogies.
>
>Your Pan Africanism, not polemics, summoned your wit to urge Ayittey and
>others to find ways of salvaging Africa from its political and economic
>morass. You wished: "so-called intellectuals like Dr. George Ayittey have
>the responsibility of examining this net in which Africa finds itself and
>come up with ideas which can facilitate the liberation of the African
>continent rather than engage in this empty quackery which those who
>controlled us yesterday still occupy us with, thus depriving us of being
>the
>architects of our own destiny."
>
>You then harped on Nkrumah's wish for an Economic Commission for Africa,
>and
>Lumumba's clarion call for an African renaissance, and you went the whole
>hog, accusing African scholars of reading "without sincerety and honesty,"
>the works of Nkrumah, Nyerere, Frantz Fanon, Cabral, and "reading the works
>of those who have plagiarized what has been written by many pioneers of the
>national liberation movement..." Are you a polemicist or a Pan Africanist
>here?
>
>I am flattered by your self-trumpeting plaudits. You enthused: " I have
>succeeded in achieving precisely what I set out to achieve. This is
>confirmed by the back-tracking that Ayittey has made in his response to my
>challenge." But if you had taken your time, tempered your effusiveness
>with
>restraint, and re-read Ayittey's and Shirima's article, you would have
>realized that your celebration of self-congratulation is simply hogwash.
>
>The back-tracking in Ayittey, in your thinking, is summed up in this
>addendum of his: " No African would deny that the first generation of
>leaders strove gallantly and endured personal hardships to win independence
>from colonial rule. They were hailed as heroes by their people and the
>international community. We made this point in our piece. BUT in country
>after country, these leaders proceeded to establish brutal regimes,
>violated
>the civil rights of their own people and looted their economies. Nyerere
>was
>an exception, which we also said in our article." And you conclude: "The
>new
>element here is the emphasis that Nyerere is an exception. That is my
>point." But what's wrong with your vision? Need I more proof why you have
>let your emotionalism traumatise your objectivity in this issue, making you
>impervious to even visible things?
>
>Re-read Ayittey's and Shirima's article. They write: "Although Julius
>Nyerere belonged to this generation of African leaders, he did not display
>their egregious and megalomaniac excesses. He was not personally corrupt
>and
>his living style modest - a rare and refreshing exception among African
>leaders." They continue: "Nyerere was also among the very few African heads
>of state who relinquished political power voluntarily." Is Ayittey and
>co-writer not emphasizing Nyerere's exceptional qualities?
>
>Ayittey wrote that clarification to energize your mind to the fact you had
>completely taken his argument on this issue, out of context. This is why I
>said earlier on that your initial rejoinder to Ayittey's and Shirima's
>article had misleading effects. You write: " They say in their paper that
>it
>is criminally irresponsible for people to accord the Nkrumahs and Nyereres
>the respect that is being given to them by those who knew their
>contributions." That is false.
>
>The co-writers didn't say anything close to that. They write: "To
>continuously celebrate them (Nkrumahs and Nyereres, insertion mine),
>without
>a hint of of the unspeakable misery they bequeathed to their people is
>criminally irresponsible." Ayittey and Shirima is not urging us not to
>celebrate the achievements of the Nkrumahs and Nyereres. They are aware of
>their heroism but at the same time urging us not to lose sight of the fact
>of their failures and shortcomings.
>
>Your misleading allusions continue: After quoting Nyerere verbatim on
>leadership, you concluded: "This is what Nyerere said on 1 January 1968 at
>a
>seminar organized by university students. Now we may ask: can this be the
>words of a tyrant?" You gave the wrong impression of Ayittey and Shirima
>tagging Nyerere a tyrant. Again, quoting Nyerere verbatim on freedom, you
>concluded: "Now we may ask: can someone who wanted to be a megalomaniac
>utter such statements?" Your utterance of "megalomaniac" has origins rooted
>in this part of Ayittey's and Shirima's article: "Although Julius Nyerere
>belonged to this generation of African leaders, he did not display their
>egregious and MEGALOMANIAC(emphasis mine)excesses." How does your allusion
>square up with this?
>
>You see, I am sifting through the debris of your article, separating fib
>from fact, myth from reality, blindness from clarity, which if lumped into
>a
>mixture can find easy access to gullible minds. I am enjoying the trouble
>to
>do all this, lest misinformation and subjectivity cloud our collective
>insight.
>
>You said that your "objective was not to refute facts, but to refute the
>interpretation of those facts that put Nyerere in a negative light." The
>reality is, you can't refute anything in Ayittey's and Shirima's article.
>And you have now reduced your so-called polemics to an interpretation of
>the
>"interpretation of those facts" that put Nyerere in a bad light. Nyerere in
>a negative light? Who cares if his shortcomings and failures put him so?
>Again, you are miffed at the contents of the co-writers' article that you
>can't refute, and which put Nyerere in a "negative light" that you don't
>like. Reference to his positives in Ayittey's and Shirima's article don't
>shimmer into your view. You are not interested. You are worried about the
>"interpretation of those facts that put Nyerere in a negative light." Whoa!
>
>But let's stretch your interpretation of facts further. First, you take
>issue with the caption of the article, NYERERE: A Saint or A Knave? And:
>you
>define the words, Saint and Knave. And: you want Ayittey and colleague to
>be
>conclusive in their assessement of Nyerere's legacy. Call him a Saint or a
>Knave, you seem to argue. That failing, you find their position absurd. In
>sheer immaturity of thinking, piffling analysis, you conclude: "....if we
>rely on the evidence that Ayittey and Shirima have given and which you have
>quoted from(the positives and negatives of Nyerere, insertion mine),
>we would have to conclude that Nyerere is both a saint and a knave. Nothing
>can be more ridiculous than such a conclusion."
>
>Plunging us into such semantics minutiae cannot deviate us from the
>contents
>of Ayittey's and Shirima's article. Nyerere had his good and bad sides. He
>wasn't all-saintly, or all-knavely. His legacy is impressive here,
>unimpressive there. Apparently, you can't grasp this fact of reality. Your
>worry over Nyerere being cast in a "negative light" by his own failures and
>shortcomings, is worst than ridiculous. I hereby state: your defence of
>Nyerere is an infatuatioin, and like every other infatuation, you are
>seduced by the pleasures of his achievements, and blinded to the
>extremities
>of his shortcomings.
>
>Objectivity is never attainable like that. The mentality you have tossed
>into your so-called polemics is called fanaticism. Someday, you may be able
>or willing to come to terms with not only Nyerere's achievements or his Pan
>Africanism, but also his abject failures. It wasn't encouraging that your
>initial rejoinder to Ayittey's and Shirima's article was all-embracing,
>all-appreciative of the Nyereres and the Nkrumahs, and without a scintilla
>of dissent over their policies. This is why people like me do not buy this
>kind of Pan- Africanism. And we make no fetish of the personalities of
>Nkrumah or Nyerere or any other for that time. We are both in agreement and
>dissonance over their policies. The fact that they were Africans or strove
>hard to wrest independence from the Colonialists matters less to me.
>
>Worrying over Nyerere being cast in a bad light, or sifting through the
>semantics of what is saintly or knavish about Nyerere, or Kamuzu Banda
>being
>mentioned in an article about Nyerere, which gives you the hackneyed
>imagination that Nyerere is being equated with the Hastings Bandas can only
>emphasize why people like me can find you so intellectually trifling,
>delusionally imaginative. And this is intellectual sophistication? Please!
>
>Your fixation on my vocabulary never ceases to entertain me. Time was when
>out of trifling imagination, you deluded yourself into thinking that all I
>do is to fish out for words in a dictionary and paste them into my
>writings.
>Here again, you are being inundated with my language. You write: "It is
>indeed true that language is the tongue of the mind and proficiency or
>eloquence in the use of language is of aesthetic value. Fine language,
>however, tends to lose its finess when it is not tempered by substance."
>Let
>me add this: when ideological myopia, intellectual sloppiness,
>self-perpetuated delusions are being preyed upon by the candour, precision
>and truthfullness of arguments, it can bring an unintended effect of
>spawning cynicism and obscurantism into the minds of message-recipients,
>making them impervious to the essentiality of lessons. So need I wonder why
>you keep hammering at and yammering about, my "flowery language?"
>
>But I am pleased for one thing about your response: "Frankly speaking," you
>write,"I do enjoy your interventions. It strikes me that you have a right
>approach to freedom of expression. You seem to believe that everyone has
>the
>right to speak about anything and everything....." This is a positive
>back-tracking from your soap-box oratory, earlier this year. Recall what
>you
>said: Cherno Baba, we have closed many mouths in The Gambia, and we are
>very
>confident that before the end of this debate you will put your foot in your
>mouth.
>
>Translation: your ideological invincibility has crushed many, and will
>spare
>no-one. Well. Indication is, your self-perpetuating delusion of ideological
>grandeur is being gradually disciplined by the grace of humility. And
>understanding. There.
>
>I rest my case. Thanks for the correspondence.
>
>Best regards,
>Cherno B. Jallow
>Detroit, MI
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Dr. Madiba,
A big congratulations to you. I am sure Mr. Sanusi and the rest of your
former teachers will be more proud to hear about this. And thanks for sharing
it with the rest of us. It certainly is a big day for all.
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Congratulations Madiba. I for one am not surprised! am also not surprised
that you did it in chemistry.
In case you don't remember who I am, I went to Armitage with you and ... get
this: I can still beat you at table tennis!
cheers for a wonderful and well deserved achievement!
Modou.
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Congratulations!! Dr. Saidy
We are proud of you.
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>Hi Folks,
>
>It is a pleasure to announce to the Gambia-l family that I was conferred
>the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Chemistry this morning (at the fall
>congregation), by the Chancellor of the University of British Columbia.
>
>My area of specialization is Surface Science, which emphasizes
>investigations of the structural, chemical, electronic and vibrational
>properties of metal and semiconductor surfaces under ultra-high vacuum
>conditions.
>
>It has been a long journey from Kaur Primary School, where it all began.
>Glad to be in the company of Dr. Abdoulaye Saine and Dr. Katim Touray
>(both fellow Saloum-nkolu), whom, knowingly or not, were an inspiration.
>
>Thought I should share my day of joy with you all. HIP HOP HORAY!!! OH!!!
>HAY!!! OH!!!
>
>Have a nice day!
>
>Cheers,
> Madiba.
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Congratulations from the bottom of my heart. I hope mother Gambia will have one
day to make use of your knowledge in these areas of your specialisation.
Regards
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>
> It is a pleasure to announce to the Gambia-l family that I was conferred
> the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Chemistry this morning (at the fall
> congregation), by the Chancellor of the University of British Columbia.
>
> My area of specialization is Surface Science, which emphasizes
> investigations of the structural, chemical, electronic and vibrational
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> conditions.
>
> It has been a long journey from Kaur Primary School, where it all began.
> Glad to be in the company of Dr. Abdoulaye Saine and Dr. Katim Touray
> (both fellow Saloum-nkolu), whom, knowingly or not, were an inspiration.
>
> Thought I should share my day of joy with you all. HIP HOP HORAY!!! OH!!!
> HAY!!! OH!!!
>
> Have a nice day!
>
> Cheers,
> Madiba.
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congratulation Dr. Saidy.
You may not remember me but i was your junior at
Armitage. I would like to avail myself of this opportunity to congratulate
you on your recent academic accomplishment. You are and will indeed continue
to be a tremendous source of inspiration for most of us yearning to reach
higher heights in academia.
I wish you every luck.
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Congratulations to you Dr. Saidy!!!!
Best regards,
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On 25 Nov 99, at 15:27, Madiba Saidy wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> It is a pleasure to announce to the Gambia-l family that I was conferred
> the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Chemistry this morning (at the fall
> congregation), by the Chancellor of the University of British Columbia.
>
> My area of specialization is Surface Science, which emphasizes
> investigations of the structural, chemical, electronic and vibrational
> properties of metal and semiconductor surfaces under ultra-high vacuum
> conditions.
>
> It has been a long journey from Kaur Primary School, where it all began.
> Glad to be in the company of Dr. Abdoulaye Saine and Dr. Katim Touray
> (both fellow Saloum-nkolu), whom, knowingly or not, were an inspiration.
>
> Thought I should share my day of joy with you all. HIP HOP HORAY!!! OH!!!
> HAY!!! OH!!!
>
> Have a nice day!
>
> Cheers,
> Madiba.
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Hi Madiba,
Big congratulations to you for a worthy achievement. You deserve
everything. Baboucarr.
Madiba Saidy wrote:
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>
> It is a pleasure to announce to the Gambia-l family that I was conferred
> the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Chemistry this morning (at the fall
> congregation), by the Chancellor of the University of British Columbia.
>
> My area of specialization is Surface Science, which emphasizes
> investigations of the structural, chemical, electronic and vibrational
> properties of metal and semiconductor surfaces under ultra-high vacuum
> conditions.
>
> It has been a long journey from Kaur Primary School, where it all began.
> Glad to be in the company of Dr. Abdoulaye Saine and Dr. Katim Touray
> (both fellow Saloum-nkolu), whom, knowingly or not, were an inspiration.
>
> Thought I should share my day of joy with you all. HIP HOP HORAY!!! OH!!!
> HAY!!! OH!!!
>
> Have a nice day!
>
> Cheers,
> Madiba.
>
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Hi Baba!
I do not want to misinterprete a couple of your statements.
Could you please clarify what you mean. The statements are:
"The fact that they were Africans or strove hard to wrest independence from
the Colonialists matters less to me."
"You then harped on Nkrumah's wish for an Economic Commission for Africa,
and Lumumba's clarion call for an African renaissance, and you went the
whole
hog..."
Thanks.
Buharry.
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> Note: A tight schedule with my classes distracted me from Gambia-L. Hence
> the brief delay in responding to your response.
> -----------------
>
> Well. It's been quite an exciting literary cross-fire. It ought to be. It
is
> nice to provoke a debate. Nicer still, when a proliferation of comments
and
> ideas follow, and when these comments and ideas - their comicality or
> illogicality notwithstanding - are given due recognition and
> acknowledgement.
>
> I must say that I am a bit titillated by your arguments this time. It is a
> better alternative from your earlier comments that were so dogmatically
> Pan-Africanist, misleading and lacking objectivity, that it was tempting
to
> toss your rejoinder to Ayittey's article aside. I said that you argued
your
> points from the position of a Pan Africanist, and you said you argued
yours
> from polemics.
>
> Polemics? Please! Beauty, they say, lies in the eyes of the beholder. You
> are entitled to your own opinion, even wrong opinions. But honestly, there
> is nothing seriously polemical about your article. Well, wait: your
> condemnation of colonialism for not leaving behind productive bases for
> independent African countries shimmer out for acknowledgement. You wrote:
> "....it was the colonial multinational corporations which controlled
imports
> and exports, mines, plantations and industrial establishments. What could
> such people do to create a national economy?"
>
> But here, you simply landed yourself on common ground, marshalling
familiar
> evidence known to everyone even a primary six pupil. The rest of your
> article is akin to sauerkraut ice-cream - a mishmash of incompatible
> ingredients - ranging from your regurgitation of history without
analytical
> connectivity, to fault-mongering, blame-shifting on American leaders,
> reeking of irrelevant thinking, to your so-called "dialogue with Nyerere,"
> mouth-watering with plaudits and eulogies.
>
> Your Pan Africanism, not polemics, summoned your wit to urge Ayittey and
> others to find ways of salvaging Africa from its political and economic
> morass. You wished: "so-called intellectuals like Dr. George Ayittey have
> the responsibility of examining this net in which Africa finds itself and
> come up with ideas which can facilitate the liberation of the African
> continent rather than engage in this empty quackery which those who
> controlled us yesterday still occupy us with, thus depriving us of being
the
> architects of our own destiny."
>
> You then harped on Nkrumah's wish for an Economic Commission for Africa,
and
> Lumumba's clarion call for an African renaissance, and you went the whole
> hog, accusing African scholars of reading "without sincerety and honesty,"
> the works of Nkrumah, Nyerere, Frantz Fanon, Cabral, and "reading the
works
> of those who have plagiarized what has been written by many pioneers of
the
> national liberation movement..." Are you a polemicist or a Pan Africanist
> here?
>
> I am flattered by your self-trumpeting plaudits. You enthused: " I have
> succeeded in achieving precisely what I set out to achieve. This is
> confirmed by the back-tracking that Ayittey has made in his response to my
> challenge." But if you had taken your time, tempered your effusiveness
with
> restraint, and re-read Ayittey's and Shirima's article, you would have
> realized that your celebration of self-congratulation is simply hogwash.
>
> The back-tracking in Ayittey, in your thinking, is summed up in this
> addendum of his: " No African would deny that the first generation of
> leaders strove gallantly and endured personal hardships to win
independence
> from colonial rule. They were hailed as heroes by their people and the
> international community. We made this point in our piece. BUT in country
> after country, these leaders proceeded to establish brutal regimes,
violated
> the civil rights of their own people and looted their economies. Nyerere
was
> an exception, which we also said in our article." And you conclude: "The
new
> element here is the emphasis that Nyerere is an exception. That is my
> point." But what's wrong with your vision? Need I more proof why you have
> let your emotionalism traumatise your objectivity in this issue, making
you
> impervious to even visible things?
>
> Re-read Ayittey's and Shirima's article. They write: "Although Julius
> Nyerere belonged to this generation of African leaders, he did not display
> their egregious and megalomaniac excesses. He was not personally corrupt
and
> his living style modest - a rare and refreshing exception among African
> leaders." They continue: "Nyerere was also among the very few African
heads
> of state who relinquished political power voluntarily." Is Ayittey and
> co-writer not emphasizing Nyerere's exceptional qualities?
>
> Ayittey wrote that clarification to energize your mind to the fact you had
> completely taken his argument on this issue, out of context. This is why I
> said earlier on that your initial rejoinder to Ayittey's and Shirima's
> article had misleading effects. You write: " They say in their paper that
it
> is criminally irresponsible for people to accord the Nkrumahs and Nyereres
> the respect that is being given to them by those who knew their
> contributions." That is false.
>
> The co-writers didn't say anything close to that. They write: "To
> continuously celebrate them (Nkrumahs and Nyereres, insertion mine),
without
> a hint of of the unspeakable misery they bequeathed to their people is
> criminally irresponsible." Ayittey and Shirima is not urging us not to
> celebrate the achievements of the Nkrumahs and Nyereres. They are aware of
> their heroism but at the same time urging us not to lose sight of the fact
> of their failures and shortcomings.
>
> Your misleading allusions continue: After quoting Nyerere verbatim on
> leadership, you concluded: "This is what Nyerere said on 1 January 1968 at
a
> seminar organized by university students. Now we may ask: can this be the
> words of a tyrant?" You gave the wrong impression of Ayittey and Shirima
> tagging Nyerere a tyrant. Again, quoting Nyerere verbatim on freedom, you
> concluded: "Now we may ask: can someone who wanted to be a megalomaniac
> utter such statements?" Your utterance of "megalomaniac" has origins
rooted
> in this part of Ayittey's and Shirima's article: "Although Julius Nyerere
> belonged to this generation of African leaders, he did not display their
> egregious and MEGALOMANIAC(emphasis mine)excesses." How does your allusion
> square up with this?
>
> You see, I am sifting through the debris of your article, separating fib
> from fact, myth from reality, blindness from clarity, which if lumped into
a
> mixture can find easy access to gullible minds. I am enjoying the trouble
to
> do all this, lest misinformation and subjectivity cloud our collective
> insight.
>
> You said that your "objective was not to refute facts, but to refute the
> interpretation of those facts that put Nyerere in a negative light." The
> reality is, you can't refute anything in Ayittey's and Shirima's article.
> And you have now reduced your so-called polemics to an interpretation of
the
> "interpretation of those facts" that put Nyerere in a bad light. Nyerere
in
> a negative light? Who cares if his shortcomings and failures put him so?
> Again, you are miffed at the contents of the co-writers' article that you
> can't refute, and which put Nyerere in a "negative light" that you don't
> like. Reference to his positives in Ayittey's and Shirima's article don't
> shimmer into your view. You are not interested. You are worried about the
> "interpretation of those facts that put Nyerere in a negative light."
Whoa!
>
> But let's stretch your interpretation of facts further. First, you take
> issue with the caption of the article, NYERERE: A Saint or A Knave? And:
you
> define the words, Saint and Knave. And: you want Ayittey and colleague to
be
> conclusive in their assessement of Nyerere's legacy. Call him a Saint or a
> Knave, you seem to argue. That failing, you find their position absurd. In
> sheer immaturity of thinking, piffling analysis, you conclude: "....if we
> rely on the evidence that Ayittey and Shirima have given and which you
have
> quoted from(the positives and negatives of Nyerere, insertion mine),
> we would have to conclude that Nyerere is both a saint and a knave.
Nothing
> can be more ridiculous than such a conclusion."
>
> Plunging us into such semantics minutiae cannot deviate us from the
contents
> of Ayittey's and Shirima's article. Nyerere had his good and bad sides. He
> wasn't all-saintly, or all-knavely. His legacy is impressive here,
> unimpressive there. Apparently, you can't grasp this fact of reality. Your
> worry over Nyerere being cast in a "negative light" by his own failures
and
> shortcomings, is worst than ridiculous. I hereby state: your defence of
> Nyerere is an infatuatioin, and like every other infatuation, you are
> seduced by the pleasures of his achievements, and blinded to the
extremities
> of his shortcomings.
>
> Objectivity is never attainable like that. The mentality you have tossed
> into your so-called polemics is called fanaticism. Someday, you may be
able
> or willing to come to terms with not only Nyerere's achievements or his
Pan
> Africanism, but also his abject failures. It wasn't encouraging that your
> initial rejoinder to Ayittey's and Shirima's article was all-embracing,
> all-appreciative of the Nyereres and the Nkrumahs, and without a scintilla
> of dissent over their policies. This is why people like me do not buy
this
> kind of Pan- Africanism. And we make no fetish of the personalities of
> Nkrumah or Nyerere or any other for that time. We are both in agreement
and
> dissonance over their policies. The fact that they were Africans or strove
> hard to wrest independence from the Colonialists matters less to me.
>
> Worrying over Nyerere being cast in a bad light, or sifting through the
> semantics of what is saintly or knavish about Nyerere, or Kamuzu Banda
being
> mentioned in an article about Nyerere, which gives you the hackneyed
> imagination that Nyerere is being equated with the Hastings Bandas can
only
> emphasize why people like me can find you so intellectually trifling,
> delusionally imaginative. And this is intellectual sophistication? Please!
>
> Your fixation on my vocabulary never ceases to entertain me. Time was when
> out of trifling imagination, you deluded yourself into thinking that all I
> do is to fish out for words in a dictionary and paste them into my
writings.
> Here again, you are being inundated with my language. You write: "It is
> indeed true that language is the tongue of the mind and proficiency or
> eloquence in the use of language is of aesthetic value. Fine language,
> however, tends to lose its finess when it is not tempered by substance."
Let
> me add this: when ideological myopia, intellectual sloppiness,
> self-perpetuated delusions are being preyed upon by the candour, precision
> and truthfullness of arguments, it can bring an unintended effect of
> spawning cynicism and obscurantism into the minds of message-recipients,
> making them impervious to the essentiality of lessons. So need I wonder
why
> you keep hammering at and yammering about, my "flowery language?"
>
> But I am pleased for one thing about your response: "Frankly speaking,"
you
> write,"I do enjoy your interventions. It strikes me that you have a right
> approach to freedom of expression. You seem to believe that everyone has
the
> right to speak about anything and everything....." This is a positive
> back-tracking from your soap-box oratory, earlier this year. Recall what
you
> said: Cherno Baba, we have closed many mouths in The Gambia, and we are
very
> confident that before the end of this debate you will put your foot in
your
> mouth.
>
> Translation: your ideological invincibility has crushed many, and will
spare
> no-one. Well. Indication is, your self-perpetuating delusion of
ideological
> grandeur is being gradually disciplined by the grace of humility. And
> understanding. There.
>
> I rest my case. Thanks for the correspondence.
>
> Best regards,
> Cherno B. Jallow
> Detroit, MI
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Cherno,
It is codswallop for you to think that gallant and brilliant could tantamount
to being right. You could be both gallant and brilliant whilst being immature
and verbose. The reason why i didn't attack your immaturity and Ayittey was
unlike you and others, my access to the internet is limited. It is expensive
to log on the internet when you have to pay for the phone bill on your own.
We are not all fortunate like you.
The reason why i called you gallant was simply for daring to take Halifa on
when many of our intellectuals shun from it. Your rebuttal of Halifa was by
any standards a brilliant piece of writing. Do you mistake this imputation of
mine as meaning that you are right and Halifa wrong? You must be in special
need of a session on how to read.
I said Ayittey's work was not scholarly because it was dearth of data,
evidence, empiricism that all hallmarks scholarly works. Frankly reading
Ayittey i thought i was reading a tabloid columnist having a go at a British
politician. How can you begin a scholarly castigating and deriding a
personality in the mannedr of a sleazy tabloid columnist? That you couldn't
discern between personality spats and scholarly works tells what your problem
is. Perchance its time you take up another hobby; reading and love for
details and research and not just words.
My intervention on the Nyerere issue was to tell you all differently what
have been saying despite your different methodologies. If your analysis of
that piece is that i contradict myself then better still your love for words
has not saved you from being lost in the labyrinth and friction of my
writing.That you would accuse me of being Halifa 's poodle is grossly unfair
for you don't know me. If you don't have the capacity to comprehend my
writing then tough Mawbeh.
Please continue to entertain us with that brilliant and gallant prose of
yours. I strongly admire it.
Cordially,
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Madiba,
We salute your intellectual achievement and wish you all the best in your
future undertakings.
Adios,
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Ous,
Which Mr. Sanusi did you refer to in your congratulatory message to Madiba?
Peace
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Ebou Secka,
Thank you for echoing the GESO message, and welcome aboard. All you have to
do is send a check or monay order made out to GESO, as well as your snail
mail address and email address which are now duly noted. As stated by Awa
Sey in the announcement, adult membership is $10 per month, and students
$5. You can pay for the whole year, for 6 months or 3, or even monthly
if this is more convenient for you. Send dues to my address ( also noted in
the announcement) for deposit into the GESO account.Thanks for caring
enough to become part of the team.
PS: l forgot about those tapes, but will inshallah send for them this coming
week.
Jabou
GESO, what a great gesture. Musa Jeng, I feel guilty for not responding to
this worthy call when you mentioned GESO to me in Atlanta (july 4th 1998).
You guys have started something that will yield so much for Gambia and we
should all try and make GESO a success. The GESO team's vignette says it all
and I challenge all members of the L, not only Gambians to think once again
and consider to join and support the organization. This is a great feat for
GESO and thanks to the initiators and members.
Well, Musa, Ndey, Jabou, Kabir (my brother), Modou and the rest, you've got
my word of full membership and support. Get me on the list of members.
I tried to submit my e-mail address in, at the website, but it did it
swallow it. If I do have to fill any form(s) send to:
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Happy thanksgiving to all and have a safe weekend after.
Ebou A. Secka
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Hi Tijan,
Send me your mailing address and you will surely get a hard
copy asap.
basil
On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:37:18 +0000 Sheikh Tejan Nyang
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> Basil,
> I always enjoy reading your interesting analysis. Keep it
up. I have tried to access this > document but find it
difficult to get through . Any help ? Regards . Bro Tejan.
> > B.M.Jones wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > > > I came across a paper on the evolution of the
Gambian > > economy and it provides a very concise summary
of the > > economic performance from 1964-1998. The first
13 pages is > > is easy to read, thereafter it becomes a
little bit > > technical. The evolution of the economy is
divided into > > four phases of real significance 1964-78,
1979-86,1987-94, > > 1995-98. Easy comparisons can be made.
The paper can be > > downloaded from:
> > http://www.imf.org/external/country/GMB/index.htm > >
and search under publications for a paper by Christian > >
Beddies (August 1999). > >
> > To Ndey, Jabou, Awa and the other sisters, I consider >
> myself to be liberal and believe in equality and > >
appreciate your contributions to the L. Keep the postings >
> coming. > >
> > Basil > > ---------------
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Hi Madiba,
I join the other list members in extending heartfelt
congratulations. I might not know you personally but the
academic success and achievement by any Gambian should be
shared and applauded by all Gambians. May you serve as an
inspiration to all of us.
Congrats
Basil
On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:27:56 -0800 Madiba Saidy
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> Hi Folks,
>
> It is a pleasure to announce to the Gambia-l family that I was conferred
> the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Chemistry this morning (at the fall
> congregation), by the Chancellor of the University of British Columbia.
>
> My area of specialization is Surface Science, which emphasizes
> investigations of the structural, chemical, electronic and vibrational
> properties of metal and semiconductor surfaces under ultra-high vacuum
> conditions.
>
> It has been a long journey from Kaur Primary School, where it all began.
> Glad to be in the company of Dr. Abdoulaye Saine and Dr. Katim Touray
> (both fellow Saloum-nkolu), whom, knowingly or not, were an inspiration.
>
> Thought I should share my day of joy with you all. HIP HOP HORAY!!! OH!!!
> HAY!!! OH!!!
>
> Have a nice day!
>
> Cheers,
> Madiba.
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Dr. Madiba Saidy,
Congratulations. Wish you all the best in your endeavours.
Pa Ousman Jarju
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>Hi Folks,
>
>It is a pleasure to announce to the Gambia-l family that I was conferred
>the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Chemistry this morning (at the fall
>congregation), by the Chancellor of the University of British Columbia.
>
>My area of specialization is Surface Science, which emphasizes
>investigations of the structural, chemical, electronic and vibrational
>properties of metal and semiconductor surfaces under ultra-high vacuum
>conditions.
>
>It has been a long journey from Kaur Primary School, where it all began.
>Glad to be in the company of Dr. Abdoulaye Saine and Dr. Katim Touray
>(both fellow Saloum-nkolu), whom, knowingly or not, were an inspiration.
>
>Thought I should share my day of joy with you all. HIP HOP HORAY!!! OH!!!
>HAY!!! OH!!!
>
>Have a nice day!
>
>Cheers,
> Madiba.
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Greetings Gambia-l,
I have just realized that active list members had received blank mails
from this address whilst I was away on vaccation. This was due to an error
in the configuration of the automatic reply function.
Please accept my apology.
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Cherno Baba,
I have been away the whole day at the UNICEF Office. I came back and saw
your piece. The objective here for me is not to try to impinge on your
integrity. I am putting you to task so that you will temper your
intellectual disposition with intellectual maturity.
If we are to engage in a discourse, we must agree on the premises for the
discourse. We must agree on what is a scholarly work in order to be able to
determine whether a given article is scholarly or not. We must agree on what
is objective in order to be able to evaluate whether a given article is
objective or not.
What I noticed in your last piece is an attempt to argue without being
faithful to the essence of the discourse. Your original position is that I
missed the point. I raised the question what is the point. In your response,
you evaded this particular question. I did not evade this particular
question. I asserted that scholars who are worth the salt must state the
problematic of the issue they want to investigate. They then proceed to
gather empirical data to be able to address the research questions which
arise from the fundamental point at issue.
I stated categorically that the fundamental point that Ayittey and Co.
raised can be found in the very theme of their article which reads: NYERERE:
A saint or a knave? This is the point at issue. I did not raise it. It is
Ayittey and Co. who raised this.
However, Ayittey and Co. proceeded to talk about entirely different issues
from the question they raised to the point that one cannot know whether one
should conclude that Nyerere was a saint or a knave, yet you, Cherno Baba,
who claims to be intellectually honest and objective, cannot see the
incoherence embedded in the article. It is not obvious to you that its
fundamental point they raised is divorced from the substance they delved
into in their article.
Let me ask you this simple question: Did Ayittey and Co. substantiate
whether Nyerere was a saint or a knave? You evaded this question because to
address it is to confirm that no empirical data was given to prove one thing
or the contrary.
How then can you continue to that Ayittey's and Co's. article is objective
and scholarly? The first point is that Ayittey and Co. did not address the
fundamental point they raised as their theme. This conclusion stands
irrefutable. This is the first point. And please when you are responding do
not just talk about everything and anything. Treat issues as a scholar
would. You must either refute the premises I have set for a scholarly
article which is internationally accepted by all social scientists or accept
that premises that an article must state the fundamental point, the
problematics, at issue, and the writer must address the fundamental
questions which that issue poses which should be the subject of enquiry.
My position is that Ayittey and Co. have stated a problematic without
providing data to substantiate the point at issue. If you are to give
significant reply, you should refute this conclusion.
I have indicated that Ayittey has back-tracked from his position by claiming
that Nyerere was an exception (full stop). You said that I have been blinded
by my Pan Africanism to such a scale that I could not even see where Ayittey
made Nyerere an exception.
If you are an impartial analyst, I cannot understand why you are still an
apologist of Ayittey and Co. I have read what you have read, but I have also
read between the lines to see what you refuse to see. Needless to say, if
you refuse to look at what is in between the lines, you will continue to
accuse me of being blinded by narrow Pan Africanist sentiments. What you
refuse to see is that your scholars started their article not by giving
empirical data, but by giving a moral sermon. They started with a 'fire and
brimstone' sermon threatening to consign those who revere certain African
leaders to criminal irresponsibility.
Ah+ACE- you claim that their intention was not to impinge on Nyerere's integrity
and what they simply did was to state facts, both positive and negative,
about Nyerere.
What was the conclusion, Cherno Baba? Did they simply state facts and leave
the reader to pass his or her judgment? Let me refer you again to their
concluding remarks:
+ACI-Perhaps, this +IBw-reeducation+IB0- came a little too late but it validated the
adage that one never ceases to learn until death. In this sense, Nyerere was
a true teacher. But the supreme irony of it all is that, Julius Nyerere, who
denounced the British colonialists, should seek medical help from Britain
where he died of leukemia. But then again, who thought Sergei Kruschev, the
son of Soviet President, Nikita Kruschev, would take up U.S. citizenship
this year?
+ACI-May Nyerere rest quietly in peace.+ACI-
Cherno Baba, can you say that Ayittey and Co. have respect for Nyerere after
reading their conclusion? Are they not trying to caricature him? What has
seeking treatment in Britain got to do with his records as a leader of
Tanzania? What is negative about him seeking treatment anywhere there is a
doctor who is competent to treat him? Who has monopoly over medical
knowledge? And what glory can Britain claim even if Nyerere was cured in
Britain? The fact that he was not cured, should we now take that as an
indictment of British medicine? And you still call this clap-trap
objective, non-emotive assessment. Are you really honest? Am I blinded by
emotions or are you the one who is blinded by a deliberate desire to win an
argument by closing your eyes to the naked facts?
Let us separate the sentences. And let me take you to the classroom as a
teacher of English to tell your students what this sentence would mean +ACI-May
Nyerere rest quietly in peace.+ACI- Now, professor, can you tell me what this
means? Why did Ayittey and Co. select the adverb 'quiety' to qualify 'rest'?
Let me repeat +ACI-May Nyerere rest QUIETLY in peace (emphasis mine). So what
your scholars are saying is that the media pundits/mavens should stop their
clamour for Nyerere is a knave and not a saint who should 'quietly' be
effaced from Africa's memorable history. He should be heard from no more.
This is the simple and elementary truth that any objective analyst should be
able to deduce from their concluding remarks.
I now challenge you to refute this conclusion.
I will purse for you to address these issues which I have tried to state in
the simplest and most coherent of manner for you to deal with the point at
issue. Depending on your response, I would then determine whether it is
appropriate to deal with your last piece the way I had originally decided to
treat it. As of now, I will continue to maintain the view that you are still
recalcitrant because you are yet to understand my point. I hope I have now
explained very clearly why I had to take up issue with Ayittey's and Co.'s
interpretation of Nyerere's place in history as inherent in the concluding
remarks of their article. I now purse for your reply.
Halifa Sallah.
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Madiba Saidy,
My congratulations! And I pray that God give you long life, good health,
strength and happiness so that Africa in general, and the Gambia in
particular, would benefit from your vast knowledge and training.
By the way, when is the party? You know I live in Birmingham, not far from
Leeds. I want to come to Leeds and eat all your food. My world! I hope the
Camaras, the Drammehs are not reading this piece.(laugh)
Anyway, your city soccer team, LEEDS F.C, are doing very well in the
Premiership. They are, in fact, leading my team, Arsenal; but I'll catch
them sooner rather than later. Having said that, I think the future of Leeds
Football Club is very bright, given the talented young players Manager David
O'leary has assembled there.
Anyway, last night my team massacred NANTES of France in the UEFA cup. I
thought Dennis Bergkamp's goal was superb!
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
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Jaajef Modou,
Alhamdulillah, thank you for your reply. In your response on 22/November/19=
99 10:29pm you say:
=22 I must again emphasize that the rulings I forwarded are supported by =
concrete evidence from the Sunnah, since the Prophet (saw) has said that =
=27take your hajj rites from me=27 (Sahih Hadith). In addition I mentioned =
the reknowned Imaams of this Ummah like Imaam Ahamad, Hasan al-Basri and =
Ishaq to whom the same ruling is attributed.
Furthermore, I indicated that other reknown Imaams such as as-Shafi=27i, =
Imaam Malik and al-Auza=27i have a different view. However, I haven=27t =
seen their evidence as the former three. So I take the one that I am sure =
of until I get evidence that proves the one I have wrong. That is a =
fundamental principle in fiqh, jurisprudence
Salma Said said, =22There is also a view that a woman may travel by =
herself, provided the way to haj or =A1umrah is safe. The Prophet (s) is =
reported to have replied to a man who complained about highway robbery, =
=22If you lived long enough you will see that a woman will travel from =
Hira (in Iraq) and will perform tawaf around Ka=A2bah, and she will have =
no fear except that of Allah.=22=22
My question is: Is this hadith authentic? If so, from which hadith =
source?=22...........................
I have now located the Hadith source for Salma Said=27s quote, which is =
Bukhari;
=22Bukhari reports from *Adi ibn Hatem, who said, *I was with the =
Prophet(s) when a man came to him and complained of poverty. Another man =
complained about highway robbery. Thereupon the Prophet(s) said: *O =
*Adi=21 Have you seen the city of Hira in Iraq?* I said, *No, but I have =
heard about it.* The Prophet(s) said: *If you lived long enough you will =
see that a woman will travel from Hira and will perform tawaf round =
Ka*bah, and she will no fear except that of Allah.* *
This does however leave a level of confusion as this quote from al-Bukhari =
seems to contradict the one you quote:
=22It is not allowed for a woman to travel a day and night=27s distance =
except with a mahram.=22=20
which itself is contradicted elsewhere by al-Bukhari;
=22Volume 2, Book 20, Number 192:
Narrated Ibn =27Umar:
The Prophet said, =22A woman should not travel for more than three days =
except with a Dhi-Mahram (i.e. a male with whom she cannot marry at all, =
e.g. her brother, father, grandfather, etc.) or her own husband.)=22
I personally do think that this level of uncertainty does underline that =
there is a valid debate to be had about how these things are interpreted =
in the modern world, and indeed how the important other points raised by =
Salma Said are addressed.
Yeendu ak jaama
Tony
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:42:23 -0600
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Hi folks,
I'm writing to inform you that I lost part of the Gambia-L archives at the
Univ. of Washington (UW), Seattle. And it's a huge part, because it covers
over a year, from most of Mar., 1998 to May 1999.
Here's what happened: When we moved Gambia-L from UW to it's present host at
St. John's, I asked Ms. Rebekah Skiver of UW Computing Services to make the
file of the archives available to me so I could download it. She did, and I
did download the file to my own PC, and later uploaded it to my fanafana.com
Website. And I thought that was that, until I uncompressed the file to access
the files of postings for different periods while Gambia-L was hosted at UW.
To my horror, I got an error message to the effect that there was an unexpected
end-of-file in the file I was uncompressing. The files available after
uncompressing the archive file covered the period from Jan., 1996 to early
Mar., 1998, meaning that we had lost postings from most of Mar., 1998 to May,
1999 when we moved Gambia-L to St. Johns.
I suspect that the problem was caused by an incomplete downloading (from UW to
my PC) or uploading (from my PC to fanafana.com) of the archive file. And
because I did not catch in time, it has not been possible to recover the
original file. I wrote to Ms. Skiver a while back about the problem, and she
was unable to find a backup copy of the file. For your information, and for
the record, I am fowarding a copy of our latest exhange of e-mails on the
issue.
I would also like to say that I take total responsibility for what from all
indications seem like a irreversible loss of a good part of the Gambia-L
postings. It's really unfortunate, and a loss that I will mourn forever.
Please accept my sincere apologies, and promise to make sure that such an
incident does not happen again.
Have a great weekend, and best wishes.
Katim
ps: Following are my exhanges with Ms. Skiver on the issue of the Gambia-L
archives.
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> To: Katim S. Touray <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Gambia-L archives
> Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:13 AM
>
> Katim,
>
> I actually searched the system-wide backups as well but they are very
> intermittent when the time-frame is longer than a week ago. I have a
> backup for May 12 which is too early (the archives weren't on my account
> until ~May 20) and another one for July 12 which is after I had deleted
> the file from my account. There are no backups for any time in between.
>
> Sorry!
>
> --
> Rebekah Skiver Client Services
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>
> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Katim S. Touray wrote:
>
> > Hi Rebekah,
> >
> > Thanks for your e-mail. And thanks too for taking the time to search for
the
> > Gambia-L archives. Actually, I thought that you might have a system-wide
or
> > whole-server backup tapes somewhere. I can imagine you being pressed for
> > space, and so it would make sense that you would clear your account out as
fast
> > as possible. However, I still would like to think that I'm a lucky dog
enough
> > that, somewhere, there just MIGHT be a tape-backup of your server. It's
not
> > the end of the world if my hunch is false, but I'd be thrilled to hear it
> > indeed is the case. Again, thanks so much for everything. And best
wishes.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Katim
> >
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> > > From: Rebekah Skiver <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: Katim S. Touray <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: Gambia-L archives
> > > Date: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 10:33 PM
> > >
> > > Hi Katim,
> > > I'll keep my eye out for them. I searched my hard drive and my accounts
> > > for a backup but didn't find any. But that's not to say one doesn't exist
> > > somewhere! :) I'll let you know if I come across one.
> > >
> > > You have a good weekend too (and a good week)!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rebekah Skiver Client Services
> > > [log in to unmask] Computing & Communications
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> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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Buharry,
The fact of Nkrumah or Nyerere being simply Africans or Independence winners
from the colonialists is not as important to me as what they did with
independence and thereafter. Some people, for the sheer love of
narrow-minded pan-africanism, are entertained by the personalities of the
Nkrumahs, the Nyereres, the Cabrals, without any hint of critical
objectivity on their legacies. I am not trying to 'kill' Africa's
'prophets,' but their being Africans alone is insignificant to me.
On your second point, I was talking about Halifa's references to what the
Lumumbas, the Nkrumahs, the Nyereres wished for Africa's development. He
'harped'(talked about it repeatedly)on this; and he 'went the whole
hog'(idiomatic expression, meaning to do something thoroughly or
completely).
I hope you have understood and learnt something. Thanks for the
correspondence.
Cherno
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>Hi Baba!
> I do not want to misinterprete a couple of your statements.
>Could you please clarify what you mean. The statements are:
>
>"The fact that they were Africans or strove hard to wrest independence from
>the Colonialists matters less to me."
>
>"You then harped on Nkrumah's wish for an Economic Commission for Africa,
>and Lumumba's clarion call for an African renaissance, and you went the
>whole
>hog..."
>
>Thanks.
>
>Buharry.
>
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>From: chernob jallow <[log in to unmask]>
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>Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 1:28 AM
>Subject: Memo to Halifa
>
>
> > Note: A tight schedule with my classes distracted me from Gambia-L.
>Hence
> > the brief delay in responding to your response.
> > -----------------
> >
> > Well. It's been quite an exciting literary cross-fire. It ought to be.
>It
>is
> > nice to provoke a debate. Nicer still, when a proliferation of comments
>and
> > ideas follow, and when these comments and ideas - their comicality or
> > illogicality notwithstanding - are given due recognition and
> > acknowledgement.
> >
> > I must say that I am a bit titillated by your arguments this time. It is
>a
> > better alternative from your earlier comments that were so dogmatically
> > Pan-Africanist, misleading and lacking objectivity, that it was tempting
>to
> > toss your rejoinder to Ayittey's article aside. I said that you argued
>your
> > points from the position of a Pan Africanist, and you said you argued
>yours
> > from polemics.
> >
> > Polemics? Please! Beauty, they say, lies in the eyes of the beholder.
>You
> > are entitled to your own opinion, even wrong opinions. But honestly,
>there
> > is nothing seriously polemical about your article. Well, wait: your
> > condemnation of colonialism for not leaving behind productive bases for
> > independent African countries shimmer out for acknowledgement. You
>wrote:
> > "....it was the colonial multinational corporations which controlled
>imports
> > and exports, mines, plantations and industrial establishments. What
>could
> > such people do to create a national economy?"
> >
> > But here, you simply landed yourself on common ground, marshalling
>familiar
> > evidence known to everyone even a primary six pupil. The rest of your
> > article is akin to sauerkraut ice-cream - a mishmash of incompatible
> > ingredients - ranging from your regurgitation of history without
>analytical
> > connectivity, to fault-mongering, blame-shifting on American leaders,
> > reeking of irrelevant thinking, to your so-called "dialogue with
>Nyerere,"
> > mouth-watering with plaudits and eulogies.
> >
> > Your Pan Africanism, not polemics, summoned your wit to urge Ayittey and
> > others to find ways of salvaging Africa from its political and economic
> > morass. You wished: "so-called intellectuals like Dr. George Ayittey
>have
> > the responsibility of examining this net in which Africa finds itself
>and
> > come up with ideas which can facilitate the liberation of the African
> > continent rather than engage in this empty quackery which those who
> > controlled us yesterday still occupy us with, thus depriving us of being
>the
> > architects of our own destiny."
> >
> > You then harped on Nkrumah's wish for an Economic Commission for Africa,
>and
> > Lumumba's clarion call for an African renaissance, and you went the
>whole
> > hog, accusing African scholars of reading "without sincerety and
>honesty,"
> > the works of Nkrumah, Nyerere, Frantz Fanon, Cabral, and "reading the
>works
> > of those who have plagiarized what has been written by many pioneers of
>the
> > national liberation movement..." Are you a polemicist or a Pan
>Africanist
> > here?
> >
> > I am flattered by your self-trumpeting plaudits. You enthused: " I have
> > succeeded in achieving precisely what I set out to achieve. This is
> > confirmed by the back-tracking that Ayittey has made in his response to
>my
> > challenge." But if you had taken your time, tempered your effusiveness
>with
> > restraint, and re-read Ayittey's and Shirima's article, you would have
> > realized that your celebration of self-congratulation is simply hogwash.
> >
> > The back-tracking in Ayittey, in your thinking, is summed up in this
> > addendum of his: " No African would deny that the first generation of
> > leaders strove gallantly and endured personal hardships to win
>independence
> > from colonial rule. They were hailed as heroes by their people and the
> > international community. We made this point in our piece. BUT in country
> > after country, these leaders proceeded to establish brutal regimes,
>violated
> > the civil rights of their own people and looted their economies. Nyerere
>was
> > an exception, which we also said in our article." And you conclude: "The
>new
> > element here is the emphasis that Nyerere is an exception. That is my
> > point." But what's wrong with your vision? Need I more proof why you
>have
> > let your emotionalism traumatise your objectivity in this issue, making
>you
> > impervious to even visible things?
> >
> > Re-read Ayittey's and Shirima's article. They write: "Although Julius
> > Nyerere belonged to this generation of African leaders, he did not
>display
> > their egregious and megalomaniac excesses. He was not personally corrupt
>and
> > his living style modest - a rare and refreshing exception among African
> > leaders." They continue: "Nyerere was also among the very few African
>heads
> > of state who relinquished political power voluntarily." Is Ayittey and
> > co-writer not emphasizing Nyerere's exceptional qualities?
> >
> > Ayittey wrote that clarification to energize your mind to the fact you
>had
> > completely taken his argument on this issue, out of context. This is why
>I
> > said earlier on that your initial rejoinder to Ayittey's and Shirima's
> > article had misleading effects. You write: " They say in their paper
>that
>it
> > is criminally irresponsible for people to accord the Nkrumahs and
>Nyereres
> > the respect that is being given to them by those who knew their
> > contributions." That is false.
> >
> > The co-writers didn't say anything close to that. They write: "To
> > continuously celebrate them (Nkrumahs and Nyereres, insertion mine),
>without
> > a hint of of the unspeakable misery they bequeathed to their people is
> > criminally irresponsible." Ayittey and Shirima is not urging us not to
> > celebrate the achievements of the Nkrumahs and Nyereres. They are aware
>of
> > their heroism but at the same time urging us not to lose sight of the
>fact
> > of their failures and shortcomings.
> >
> > Your misleading allusions continue: After quoting Nyerere verbatim on
> > leadership, you concluded: "This is what Nyerere said on 1 January 1968
>at
>a
> > seminar organized by university students. Now we may ask: can this be
>the
> > words of a tyrant?" You gave the wrong impression of Ayittey and Shirima
> > tagging Nyerere a tyrant. Again, quoting Nyerere verbatim on freedom,
>you
> > concluded: "Now we may ask: can someone who wanted to be a megalomaniac
> > utter such statements?" Your utterance of "megalomaniac" has origins
>rooted
> > in this part of Ayittey's and Shirima's article: "Although Julius
>Nyerere
> > belonged to this generation of African leaders, he did not display their
> > egregious and MEGALOMANIAC(emphasis mine)excesses." How does your
>allusion
> > square up with this?
> >
> > You see, I am sifting through the debris of your article, separating fib
> > from fact, myth from reality, blindness from clarity, which if lumped
>into
>a
> > mixture can find easy access to gullible minds. I am enjoying the
>trouble
>to
> > do all this, lest misinformation and subjectivity cloud our collective
> > insight.
> >
> > You said that your "objective was not to refute facts, but to refute the
> > interpretation of those facts that put Nyerere in a negative light." The
> > reality is, you can't refute anything in Ayittey's and Shirima's
>article.
> > And you have now reduced your so-called polemics to an interpretation of
>the
> > "interpretation of those facts" that put Nyerere in a bad light. Nyerere
>in
> > a negative light? Who cares if his shortcomings and failures put him so?
> > Again, you are miffed at the contents of the co-writers' article that
>you
> > can't refute, and which put Nyerere in a "negative light" that you don't
> > like. Reference to his positives in Ayittey's and Shirima's article
>don't
> > shimmer into your view. You are not interested. You are worried about
>the
> > "interpretation of those facts that put Nyerere in a negative light."
>Whoa!
> >
> > But let's stretch your interpretation of facts further. First, you take
> > issue with the caption of the article, NYERERE: A Saint or A Knave? And:
>you
> > define the words, Saint and Knave. And: you want Ayittey and colleague
>to
>be
> > conclusive in their assessement of Nyerere's legacy. Call him a Saint or
>a
> > Knave, you seem to argue. That failing, you find their position absurd.
>In
> > sheer immaturity of thinking, piffling analysis, you conclude: "....if
>we
> > rely on the evidence that Ayittey and Shirima have given and which you
>have
> > quoted from(the positives and negatives of Nyerere, insertion mine),
> > we would have to conclude that Nyerere is both a saint and a knave.
>Nothing
> > can be more ridiculous than such a conclusion."
> >
> > Plunging us into such semantics minutiae cannot deviate us from the
>contents
> > of Ayittey's and Shirima's article. Nyerere had his good and bad sides.
>He
> > wasn't all-saintly, or all-knavely. His legacy is impressive here,
> > unimpressive there. Apparently, you can't grasp this fact of reality.
>Your
> > worry over Nyerere being cast in a "negative light" by his own failures
>and
> > shortcomings, is worst than ridiculous. I hereby state: your defence of
> > Nyerere is an infatuatioin, and like every other infatuation, you are
> > seduced by the pleasures of his achievements, and blinded to the
>extremities
> > of his shortcomings.
> >
> > Objectivity is never attainable like that. The mentality you have tossed
> > into your so-called polemics is called fanaticism. Someday, you may be
>able
> > or willing to come to terms with not only Nyerere's achievements or his
>Pan
> > Africanism, but also his abject failures. It wasn't encouraging that
>your
> > initial rejoinder to Ayittey's and Shirima's article was all-embracing,
> > all-appreciative of the Nyereres and the Nkrumahs, and without a
>scintilla
> > of dissent over their policies. This is why people like me do not buy
>this
> > kind of Pan- Africanism. And we make no fetish of the personalities of
> > Nkrumah or Nyerere or any other for that time. We are both in agreement
>and
> > dissonance over their policies. The fact that they were Africans or
>strove
> > hard to wrest independence from the Colonialists matters less to me.
> >
> > Worrying over Nyerere being cast in a bad light, or sifting through the
> > semantics of what is saintly or knavish about Nyerere, or Kamuzu Banda
>being
> > mentioned in an article about Nyerere, which gives you the hackneyed
> > imagination that Nyerere is being equated with the Hastings Bandas can
>only
> > emphasize why people like me can find you so intellectually trifling,
> > delusionally imaginative. And this is intellectual sophistication?
>Please!
> >
> > Your fixation on my vocabulary never ceases to entertain me. Time was
>when
> > out of trifling imagination, you deluded yourself into thinking that all
>I
> > do is to fish out for words in a dictionary and paste them into my
>writings.
> > Here again, you are being inundated with my language. You write: "It is
> > indeed true that language is the tongue of the mind and proficiency or
> > eloquence in the use of language is of aesthetic value. Fine language,
> > however, tends to lose its finess when it is not tempered by substance."
>Let
> > me add this: when ideological myopia, intellectual sloppiness,
> > self-perpetuated delusions are being preyed upon by the candour,
>precision
> > and truthfullness of arguments, it can bring an unintended effect of
> > spawning cynicism and obscurantism into the minds of message-recipients,
> > making them impervious to the essentiality of lessons. So need I wonder
>why
> > you keep hammering at and yammering about, my "flowery language?"
> >
> > But I am pleased for one thing about your response: "Frankly speaking,"
>you
> > write,"I do enjoy your interventions. It strikes me that you have a
>right
> > approach to freedom of expression. You seem to believe that everyone has
>the
> > right to speak about anything and everything....." This is a positive
> > back-tracking from your soap-box oratory, earlier this year. Recall what
>you
> > said: Cherno Baba, we have closed many mouths in The Gambia, and we are
>very
> > confident that before the end of this debate you will put your foot in
>your
> > mouth.
> >
> > Translation: your ideological invincibility has crushed many, and will
>spare
> > no-one. Well. Indication is, your self-perpetuating delusion of
>ideological
> > grandeur is being gradually disciplined by the grace of humility. And
> > understanding. There.
> >
> > I rest my case. Thanks for the correspondence.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Cherno B. Jallow
> > Detroit, MI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Madiba:
Congratulations. It is indeed a pleasure to have another Dr. in our Bantaba.
Keep up the good work down there!
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Congratulations Dr Saidy.
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In a message dated 11/25/99 5:33:07 PM Central Standard Time,
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Hi Folks,
It is a pleasure to announce to the Gambia-l family that I was conferred
the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Chemistry this morning (at the fall
congregation), by the Chancellor of the University of British Columbia.
My area of specialization is Surface Science, which emphasizes
investigations of the structural, chemical, electronic and vibrational
properties of metal and semiconductor surfaces under ultra-high vacuum
conditions.
It has been a long journey from Kaur Primary School, where it all began.
Glad to be in the company of Dr. Abdoulaye Saine and Dr. Katim Touray
(both fellow Saloum-nkolu), whom, knowingly or not, were an inspiration.
Thought I should share my day of joy with you all. HIP HOP HORAY!!! OH!!!
HAY!!! OH!!!
Have a nice day!
Cheers,
Madiba.
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Madiba (uh, excuse me, Dr Saidy (lol) )
My sincere congratulation for your accomplishment.l am sure you burned the
midnight oil and deserve all of it. Go conquer the World!!!!!!!!!.
Jabou Joh
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<< To Ndey, Jabou, Awa and the other sisters, I consider
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Basil,
Thanks for that progressive attitude.Keep up the good work.
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Halifa,
I shall first begin by accusing you of the Comtean enormities of believing
that expressly the social sciences and social scientists are divorceable from
belief systems and faiths and your attempts at the blatant seperation of
inseperable disciplinces which are symmmetrical; attempts which to be put it
very mildly is rather bizarre. In your piece, you distanced yourself from
belief systems and faith in social systems as a social scientist. You are not
the first to do or attempt this. This is academic suicide in the long run as
Auguste Comte realised after those long embittered academic frustrations and
stuck in the intellectual wilderness. Auguste Comte, the father of Sociology
on whom modern social sciences owe a lot of gratitude, attempted and espoused
this position very famously when he derided, scoffed at and chided
metaphysics, belief systems and faiths. Famously he declared that there is no
depth in darkness; that beyond reason, empiricism and the naked eye there
could be no vision for anything. This is an intellectual cul-de-sac. For
there is depth in darkness. Reason and empirism have their limits; to often
than not they have relied on PrePlatonic and Socratic experience, intuition
and "grope in the darkness" methodology as philosophical inquiry into truth
and knowledge. Contrary to your contention, Political Science, Economics and
Cultural Studies are inextricably hooked. They are symmetries that overlap
into what you Social Scientists asssume to be each's demarcated traditional
terrritory. A good Political Scientist is one fluid on both Economics and
Cultural Studies. And vice versa. Halifa to sum up my thesis : one, Social
Scientists being social beings themselves, are undetachable from beliefs,
emotions and faith. They cannot be some cold and dull empirist, that Comte
thought and believed he had discovered, that reduces the life force to cold
logic and data. Two, academic disciplines are fluidities and increasingly
each is discovering how much it owed to the other for what traditionally you w
ould call the sphere of the other. Why do you reckon that modern Sociology
has come to resemble so much of Psychology and it's (Sociology) traditional
sphere has been gobbled up by Psephology (pollsters) and Think Tanks? You
depart from Nyerere when it comes to your school of thought only your love
for Africa unites you. What then is your school of thought? I've always
thought of you as Socialist and Socialists do believe in some belief systems
wheich have utopian oulooks. Am i missing out on somdething? Humour me
please. I will await your usual wiseacres on these.
You also raised the important issue of your role or should i say your
stance on both the Jammeh and Jawara regimes. Rightly so you postulated that
Jammeh is not Jawara. What struck me as Manichean deconstruction was your
using of two different yardsticks to deal with what is at best two essential
commonalities; the Jammeh and Jawara experiences. When you write of the
Jammeh experience, you become the Social Scientist in that you always point to
the past of Jawara and collate with it present realities thus the strident
politician -cum- critic totally absent. You may not sense and feel it but
your writings on the transition and the Jammeh experience since your legal
drama with the ersthwhile AFPRC has become duller, impassioned, and
noticeably beseeching cajole and compromise. You may not be aware of this but
unwittingly, you had become the chief ideologue of Jammehism. With your
writing bereft of its passion and stridency that was your trademark during
the Jawara experience, the AFPRC had no axe to grind, you played into their
grand designs of some modern Pan African re-awakening and crude patriotism.
Of course i do not dare accuse you of abetting with Jammeh for some closet
Machiavellian designs to spoof the people into a trajectory and skewed
transition in which the winner will be Jammeh who will succeed in legalizing
himself into a civilian president. But your departure from the stridency and
passionate journalism that you had so well displayed to great effect during
the Jawara experience had all but fizzled out during the Jammeh experience.
Of course you still write of how nothing much has changed; that only
personalities had swopped for the same system. Why do you give such a good
listening ear to Jammeh and prepared to understand the complexities that
surround the milieu that he governs under but lackadaisical to Jawara in that
regard?
Material limits constrain my ability to supply my thesis with the
necessary empiricism that would have made me not a speculator but one sincere
to engage you in your role during the transition. Nonetheless i will try to
provide you with examples and jog your memory a bit with what comes to my
mind. I hope you wouldn't accuse me of being biased and selective.
1. I remember when the draft constitution that eventually became the 1996
constitution for the Second Republic became public, the main dissension
against it was the limitation of the term of the presidency. For Jammeh to
tailor made this document that he supposedly consulted people over to fit his
grand designs and purposes, wilfully and mischieviously disregarding the
general view that was recommended by the people and the sage of recent memory
of the Jawara experience, that there should be a limitation to the term of
the presidency and you to ride to the rescue unwittingly (or should i dare be
provocative and say wittingly since this was blatantly against the wishes of
popular will) and you knowingly campaigned for the document inspite of the
realities. In your defence, you painted a Hobbesean state of fear of a civil
unrest and even Liberian/Rwandan type situations if we don't vote for it;
that since we have no choice but to accept that fundamentally flawed
document, it would be prudent to vote for it since there was no credible
alternative. Get this: the absence of choice is choice in itself. We had the
choice of totally rejecting the document and start afresh even if it means
the transition taking further twists and prolonging the elections. What is
the whole point of the constitutional exercises and the transition if we are
not able to fundamentally overhaul our body polity? For all your
intellectual precision and comprehension of issues during those crucial
periods, you couldn't fully fathom this ingredient and Jammeh's populism. In
your constant rebuttal of Liberal fears and concerns and defence of that
document in your paper, you postulated that if Gambians really want a term
limitation on the presidency, they would translate this during elections.
After each president's two terms, they would boot the president out in favour
of another new face. You used the same logic to concerns raised when Jammeh
deliberately changed the age of qualification for the presidency. If a thirty
year old like Jammeh stands infront of f the people seeking the presidencyand
they favour a forty year old, they would turn their backs on him during the
elections. How naive and simplistic!!! You were there monitoring the
elections did any of the latter happen despite it being a popular will of the
people? You might as well say we don't need explicit written rules and just
continue to rely on tacit mass approvals and disapprovals and turn every
election into a referendum. Halifa i need not remind you the relative
ignorance of the Gambian electorate and their misconceptions and reverence of
political leaders or Mansas. Such people need to be protected from, guile,
tyranny and excesses of our leaders by carrots and sticks, frameworks,
principles, rules and checks and balances in writing. If you think there has
been a fundamental shift in political behaviour and or approach since 1994,
then i overestimate your comprehension of Gambian politics. In July 1994 we
simply changed autocratic populism for authoritarian populism. Here is the
difference; Jammeh is a cunning listener to public opinion and a great
manipulator. Do you honestly believe that Jammeh out of largesse and mercy
for us decided to set up a thing like NCC to review his timetable? With
international isolation and mass backlash looming over his head like the
sword of Domocles, he knew he was doomed without some dialogue with the
people and seek their consent on the contentious time table to civilian rule.
Had you stood by principles and not seduced by the comeback of the ancien
regime and the Hobbesean paranoia you kept injecting into debates during the
transition, common sense would have pointed you towards Jammeh buckling under
a public backlash if he had lost the referendum. He needed us to continue
spitting at the face of international isolation. Jammeh comprehended this
more than you do despite your intellectual profundity.
Ironically, you spent the best part of 1996/7 writing a plethora of
hysterical open letters to the president warning of imminent constitutional
crisis if he doesn't act as you would like him to. Your forerunners were
saying this when you were busy campaigning for that flawed document. It
seemed your letters were archaic missives from the national archives. With
hindsight have you regretted for being agitator-in-chief for frustrating
Liberal attempts to modify that flawed document before it becomes the supreme
law of the land?
2. When the death and manner of death of Ousman Koro Ceesay was announced,
as to be expected with a nation hanging on the throes of a Hobbesean fear,
there was an alarming paranoia, hysteria and knee jerk reactions that were
absolutely out of proportion. The ruling council and apologists were thrown
into a state of panic. Again you unwittingly (wittingly?) came to the rescue.
Your so called investigations into the "accident" helped calmed the
pernickety nerves of the AFPRC and its apologists. As usual you exhorted
everyone to hold its nose since claims and counter claims had the stench of
those collaborating with outsiders plotting to throw the Gambia into anarchy.
Classical Hobbesean state of fear at work. You went on to investigate;
investigate you did for the shoddy, warped and shrouded in amatuerish
investigative journalism that you eventually published in your paper
hogwashed with Inspector Morse codes no one can decipher possibly only you.
Your findings could have been the job of a novice news hound on his/her
first assignment. What did it prove? Tosh. Yet for all your re-echoing of the
ethics journalism and cautioning of reporters to refrain from knee jerk
reports that cannot be substantiated, you entered into a hog wash mish mash
of sophistry that made Koro's looked an unfortunate "accident". Halifa
silence sometimes speaks volumes than actual words. Where was the AFPRC
during this period? They regrouped and strategised making passioned pleas
for information and shedding crocodile tears. Save praise Koro's work ethics
and integrity what they did do? No police investigation , no coroners
inquest, no compensation for the grief stricken family. A full police
investigation and a coroners inquest serves to vindicate the AFPRC if their
hands are as clean as they've always maintained. Why didn't they do it? You
are puzzled like me. If your neighbour's house is ransacked, and you are the
prime suspect would you Halifa forbid the police to search your house? Are
you not calling for the raising of eye brows and wagging of tongues? I must
admit that since those confusing days to this very day, i'm none the wiser on
this issue with only endless questions. Cynically, cannily and subtly, the
APRC changed the budget speech day from June to December. For June being the
month Koro died, always had people asking questions; questions that always
leaves the APRC jumpy and fidgeting for answers. Answers even that school
children would find implausible. Perhaps you will ride to the rescue of the
Koro Ceesay family and make fresh investigations. Koro's family would love to
know how their beloved one died. They would appreciate that more than anyone.
3. I don't know why the AFPRC allowed you to operate whilst the ban on
political activities was effectively on all First Republic politicians and
parties. But your sneering and derisory humour that you entertain your
readers with whenever a First Republic politician opens his mouth was a tell
tale. Remember when a group of First Republic politicians openly petitioned
Jammeh about their concerns of the transition which was undergoing crisis
then; the sneering and derisory humour that was forthcoming from you was fit
for a piece in Private Eye. You mocked their concerns and lobbed their
questions, concerns and points (and solid ones at that) into the arena of
jocular banter. Halifa were you the only concerned intellectual of that
period? Do others have nothing to contribute? Does everything have to be
Halifa style during the transition to befit acknowledgement from you?
Everything and anything that escapes the Halifa prism is codswallop? I have
read you no where where you acknowledge the contributions of others to the
debates that ensued during and after the transition. With the usual snooty
elitism so common amongst Left wing intellectuals, you see yours as the only
credible way/alternative dismissive of other alternatives. No wonder you
awarded yourselves medals of Champions Of The Transition for coming to the
rescue of the Gambian people. Saviours and servants of the people indeed. I
pose you this question: are we not where we started before wrestling with a
authoritarian populist masquerading as a new democrat? In short back to
square with the struggle?
I have decided to take you on the aforementioned themes at the moment. As
the debates heats up, more and fresh attempts will be made to take to you to
task for your role during the transition. Please note that this is not a
mischievious attempt to paint you black. On the contrary it is a cordial
invitation to engage you in a dialogue over that traumatic period of our
nation's history when we had "the hands of history on our shoulders" ( to
pinch a phrase from Tony Blair) to construct a democratic polity and future
worthy of reverence by us and worthy of emulation by others.
I anticipate your usual wiseacres.
Cordially,
Hamjatta Kanteh.
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Boy yo boy am so happy for, keep the good work.
Cheers
Mbye Sey
Madiba Saidy wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> It is a pleasure to announce to the Gambia-l family that I was conferred
> the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Chemistry this morning (at the fall
> congregation), by the Chancellor of the University of British Columbia.
>
> My area of specialization is Surface Science, which emphasizes
> investigations of the structural, chemical, electronic and vibrational
> properties of metal and semiconductor surfaces under ultra-high vacuum
> conditions.
>
> It has been a long journey from Kaur Primary School, where it all began.
> Glad to be in the company of Dr. Abdoulaye Saine and Dr. Katim Touray
> (both fellow Saloum-nkolu), whom, knowingly or not, were an inspiration.
>
> Thought I should share my day of joy with you all. HIP HOP HORAY!!! OH!!!
> HAY!!! OH!!!
>
> Have a nice day!
>
> Cheers,
> Madiba.
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Interesting article culled from the Post Gazette @ =
http://www.post-gazette.com/forum/19991124edibim6.asp
Enjoy.
Abdoulie A. Jallow
=20
"If you will tell me why the fen
appears impassable, I then
will tell you why I think that I
can get across it if I try."
I May, I Might I Must - by Marianne Moore=20
Midweek Perspectives: Land of the ignorant?=20
American attitudes on Africa rarely fail to appall=20
Wednesday, November 24, 1999=20
By Ibim Semenitari=20
I attended a meeting earlier this month that for the umpteenth time =
since I got to the United States left me bewildered and angry.=20
=20
Ibim Semenitari, a journalist at Tell Magazine in Lagos, =
has worked at the Post-Gazette for the past five months as an Alfred =
Friendly Fellow. =20
=20
=20
I am a Nigerian on a six-month visit to this country. The reason for my =
recurring annoyance is the ignorance throughout American society of =
other people and places, and the constant - permit me to say, =
inexcusable - rationalization that this is so because of the vastness of =
the United States.=20
The latest meeting, hosted by the World Affairs Council of Pittsburgh in =
the David L. Lawrence Convention Center, was a gathering of businessmen, =
high school students and teachers, mainly from Pittsburgh. Also in =
attendance were some African diplomats and African graduate students =
from Duquesne University, the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie =
Mellon University as well as some specialists on African affairs.=20
The topic was "Africa in Transition." The conference organizers had =
hoped that this would encourage young people to be more interested in =
world affairs.=20
The morning went fairly well. At least all the speakers said what was on =
my mind - that is, before colonialism and the slave trade we, the =
African people, had a life with its own forms and institutions such as =
marriage, education, trade and (as much as it may surprise Americans) =
democracy and governance. True, we had kings and princes, but they =
operated within a framework that allowed every villager a right of =
participation.=20
But in the afternoon we broke into discussion groups and a Q-and-A =
session and that was when my adrenaline got pumped up.=20
I sat in a group with educators and business people discussing a =
hypothetical scenario in the Democratic Republic of Congo (formerly =
Zaire), one of the continent's three largest countries.=20
These adult men and women would be well informed, I felt sure, and I =
looked forward to a lively discussion.=20
The scenario for discussion was set in January 2000 - the cease-fire in =
the Congo has collapsed; the civil war is worsening and public opinion =
favors U.N. intervention. As usual, the U.N. Security Council is divided =
over what action to take. The U.S. president then asks a team of =
analysts (the various discussion groups) to analyze the situation and =
recommend policy options for the United States.=20
End of scenario. Beginning of discussions.=20
I don't want to bore you with all the details, but nothing I had seen in =
the five months I have been here prepared me for the arrogance and =
ignorance I saw on display.=20
One of the participants suggested that maybe if the colonial masters had =
been allowed to retain their grip on Africa, we might have had more =
flourishing economies and a better life.=20
That was actually his second suggestion that day. The first was that =
African countries really had no reason to complain about the effects of =
colonialism as the United States had also been a colony of Britain and =
yet was a flourishing country.=20
He left me gritting my teeth. After all, he had opened old wounds.=20
When the colonialists left the Gambia, a country in West Africa, after =
close to 500 years of colonial rule, they left it with just one high =
school.=20
When they left Uganda, that country had a total of four college =
graduates. That was the beautiful legacy of colonialism. Oh yes, they =
had roads and "European quarters and clubs," so there was =
infrastructure.=20
Now I am not an apologist for African leaders who have plundered their =
nations at different times and left their people impoverished and at the =
mercy of colonial masters.=20
The fact is that colonialism is still real in Africa and many parts of =
the developing world. The International Monetary Fund, World Bank and =
the World Trade Organization are proof enough that the colonial masters =
are not in a hurry to let go of Africa.=20
I couldn't let this man's comment pass without reminding him about the =
example of apartheid South Africa (which, by the way, he said was =
perfect evidence of colonial success), where the white minority lived a =
life of luxury and the black majority was subjected to living in =
squatter settlements, with little or no access to education and =
low-paying jobs (if any could be found).=20
I wished he had only paid a visit to South Africa so that he could see =
that it will take a lifetime to lift up the blacks in that country to =
the point where they have equal standards. If he had visited, he might =
see that there were two realities and that these were as different as =
black and white.=20
His comments reminded me of those of a cab driver who I had the =
misfortune of calling to take me home one day after work. This cab =
driver asked how long I had been in Pittsburgh. I told him about five =
months and I was getting ready to leave.=20
"Where are you from originally?" he queried.=20
"Oh, Nigeria," I replied, "in Africa."=20
"Oh," he said, apparently convinced he had just met a neighbor of =
Tarzan. "What is your favorite food in Nigeria? Lions?"=20
For a second, I thought I didn't hear right.=20
I tried to forgive his ignorance, but unfortunately I see the same =
strain running through American society.=20
But I must hope for the best. I must believe that with time - and maybe =
more seminars and stories - a generation of Americans might begin to =
care a little more about the African continent. It is in their own =
interest to be better informed.=20
According to the U.S. Department of Commerce, the average return on =
investments for every dollar spent in Africa is 22 percent.=20
And, no, I am not begging for aid, just understanding.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D5><B></B></FONT><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 =
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<DIV><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode">Abdoulie A.=20
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<DIV><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode">"If you =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D5><B>Midweek Perspectives: Land of the =
ignorant?=20
</B></FONT>
<P><FONT face=3Darial size=3D4>American attitudes on Africa rarely fail =
to appall=20
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<P>Wednesday, November 24, 1999=20
<P>By Ibim Semenitari<STORYSUMM>=20
<P>
<P>
<P>
<P>
<P>
<P>
<P>I attended a meeting earlier this month that for the umpteenth time =
since I=20
got to the United States left me bewildered and angry.=20
<P>
<P>
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Semenitari, a journalist at Tell Magazine in Lagos, has =
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Friendly=20
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<P>I am a Nigerian on a six-month visit to this country. The reason for =
my=20
recurring annoyance is the ignorance throughout American society of =
other people=20
and places, and the constant - permit me to say, inexcusable - =
rationalization=20
that this is so because of the vastness of the United States.=20
<P>The latest meeting, hosted by the World Affairs Council of Pittsburgh =
in the=20
David L. Lawrence Convention Center, was a gathering of businessmen, =
high school=20
students and teachers, mainly from Pittsburgh. Also in attendance were =
some=20
African diplomats and African graduate students from Duquesne =
University, the=20
University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University as well as some=20
specialists on African affairs.=20
<P>The topic was "Africa in Transition." The conference =
organizers had=20
hoped that this would encourage young people to be more interested in =
world=20
affairs.=20
<P>The morning went fairly well. At least all the speakers said what was =
on my=20
mind - that is, before colonialism and the slave trade we, the African =
people,=20
had a life with its own forms and institutions such as marriage, =
education,=20
trade and (as much as it may surprise Americans) democracy and =
governance. True,=20
we had kings and princes, but they operated within a framework that =
allowed=20
every villager a right of participation.=20
<P>But in the afternoon we broke into discussion groups and a Q-and-A =
session=20
and that was when my adrenaline got pumped up.=20
<P>I sat in a group with educators and business people discussing a =
hypothetical=20
scenario in the Democratic Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire), one of =
the=20
continent's three largest countries.=20
<P>These adult men and women would be well informed, I felt sure, and I =
looked=20
forward to a lively discussion.=20
<P>The scenario for discussion was set in January 2000 - the cease-fire =
in the=20
Congo has collapsed; the civil war is worsening and public opinion =
favors U.N.=20
intervention. As usual, the U.N. Security Council is divided over what =
action to=20
take. The U.S. president then asks a team of analysts (the various =
discussion=20
groups) to analyze the situation and recommend policy options for the =
United=20
States.=20
<P>End of scenario. Beginning of discussions.=20
<P>I don't want to bore you with all the details, but nothing I had seen =
in the=20
five months I have been here prepared me for the arrogance and ignorance =
I saw=20
on display.=20
<P>One of the participants suggested that maybe if the colonial masters =
had been=20
allowed to retain their grip on Africa, we might have had more =
flourishing=20
economies and a better life.=20
<P>That was actually his second suggestion that day. The first was that =
African=20
countries really had no reason to complain about the effects of =
colonialism as=20
the United States had also been a colony of Britain and yet was a =
flourishing=20
country.=20
<P>He left me gritting my teeth. After all, he had opened old wounds.=20
<P>When the colonialists left the Gambia, a country in West Africa, =
after close=20
to 500 years of colonial rule, they left it with just one high school.=20
<P>When they left Uganda, that country had a total of four college =
graduates.=20
That was the beautiful legacy of colonialism. Oh yes, they had roads and =
"European quarters and clubs," so there was infrastructure.=20
<P>Now I am not an apologist for African leaders who have plundered =
their=20
nations at different times and left their people impoverished and at the =
mercy=20
of colonial masters.=20
<P>The fact is that colonialism is still real in Africa and many parts =
of the=20
developing world. The International Monetary Fund, World Bank and the =
World=20
Trade Organization are proof enough that the colonial masters are not in =
a hurry=20
to let go of Africa.=20
<P>I couldn't let this man's comment pass without reminding him about =
the=20
example of apartheid South Africa (which, by the way, he said was =
perfect=20
evidence of colonial success), where the white minority lived a life of =
luxury=20
and the black majority was subjected to living in squatter settlements, =
with=20
little or no access to education and low-paying jobs (if any could be =
found).=20
<P>I wished he had only paid a visit to South Africa so that he could =
see that=20
it will take a lifetime to lift up the blacks in that country to the =
point where=20
they have equal standards. If he had visited, he might see that there =
were two=20
realities and that these were as different as black and white.=20
<P>His comments reminded me of those of a cab driver who I had the =
misfortune of=20
calling to take me home one day after work. This cab driver asked how =
long I had=20
been in Pittsburgh. I told him about five months and I was getting ready =
to=20
leave.=20
<P>"Where are you from originally?" he queried.=20
<P>"Oh, Nigeria," I replied, "in Africa."=20
<P>"Oh," he said, apparently convinced he had just met a =
neighbor of=20
Tarzan. "What is your favorite food in Nigeria? Lions?"=20
<P>For a second, I thought I didn't hear right.=20
<P>I tried to forgive his ignorance, but unfortunately I see the same =
strain=20
running through American society.=20
<P>But I must hope for the best. I must believe that with time - and =
maybe more=20
seminars and stories - a generation of Americans might begin to care a =
little=20
more about the African continent. It is in their own interest to be =
better=20
informed.=20
<P>According to the U.S. Department of Commerce, the average return on=20
investments for every dollar spent in Africa is 22 percent.=20
<P>And, no, I am not begging for aid, just understanding.</P></DIV>
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Assalaamu alaikum=20
Alhamdulillah and may Allah bless us with the following piece of =
knowledge.
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Some Commonly Quoted=20
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1.The hadeeth of the Messenger that he (SAW) said, "Allaah says, 'I was =
a hidden treasure, and I
wished to be known, so I created a creation (mankind), then made Myself =
known to them, and they
recognised Me.'"
As-Sakhaawee (d.902, the student of ibn Hajr al-Asqalaanee) said, "ibn =
Taymiyyah said, 'this is not
from the words of the Prophet (SAW), and there is no known isnaad for it =
be it saheeh or da'eef.' And
az-Zarkashee and our Shaykh (ibn Hajr) followed him (in this verdict)." =
['al-Maqaasid al-Hasanah' of
as-Sakhaawee (no. 838)]
As-Suyutee (d.911) said, "this has no basis (laa asla lahu)" ['Durural =
Muntathira' of as-Suyutee (no.330)]
al-Ijloonee (d.1162) said, "this saying occurs often in the words of the =
sufis, who have relied on it, and
built some of their principles on it."[ 'Kashf al-Khafaa' of al-Ijloonee =
(no.2016)]
al-Albaanee (contemporary) says, "this hadeeth has no basis" ['Silsilah =
ad-Da'eefah' (1/166)]
2.The hadeeth, "Allaah says, 'were it not for you (O Muhammad) I would =
not have created the universe.'"
As-Saghaanee (d.650) said, "maudu (fabricated)" ['al-Ahaadeeth =
al-Mawdoo'aat' of as-Saghaanee (pg.
7)]=20
and likewise al-Albaanee ['Silsilah ad-Da'eefah' (1/450 no.282)]
ash-Shaykh Mulla Alee Qaaree (d.1014) said, "maudu, but it's meaning is =
correct.." ['al-Asraar
al-Marfoo'ah' of Alee al-Qaaree (pp 67-68)], and quotes two narrations =
to prove this:
a.The hadeeth related by ibn Asaakir, 'were it not for you, the world =
would not have been created'. Ibn
al-Jawzee (d.5**) related this and said, "maudu (fabricated)" =
['al-Mawdoo'aat' of ibn al-Jawzee (1/288)]
and likewise as-Suyutee. ['al-Laa'ee' of as-Suyutee (1/272)]
b.The hadeeth related by ad-Dailamee, "O Muhammad! Were it not for you, =
the Garden would not have
been created, and were it not for you the Fire would not have been =
created." Al-Albaanee said, "it is not
correct to certify the correctness of it's meaning without establishing =
the authenticity of the narration
from ad-Dailamee, which is something I have not found any of the =
scholars to have addressed..Suffice
to know that ad-Dailamee is alone in reporting it, then I became certain =
of it's weakness, rather it's
flimsiness when I came across it in his 'Musnad' (1/41/2)..." ['Silsilah =
ad-Da'eefah' (1/451 no.282)]
3.The hadeeth related from the Messenger (SAW), "I was a Prophet while =
Adam was between clay and
water" and the hadeeth, "I was a prophet when there was no Adam and no =
clay"
ibn Taymiyyah said, "This has no basis. Neither from the point of view =
of transmission or intellect, for
not a single scholar of hadeeth mentions it and it's meaning is invalid. =
For Adam was never in a state in
which he was between clay and water, for clay consists of water and mud, =
rather he was in a state
between the spirit and body.
Then these misguided people think that the Prophet (SAW) was physically =
present at that time, and
that his person was created before all persons, and they support this =
with ahaadeeth which are lies
(against the Prophet), for example the hadeeth that he used to be Light =
surrounding the Throne."
['Radd alaa al-Bakree' of ibn Taymiyyah (pg. 9)]
as-Suyutee said, "maudu" and endorsed the above words of ibn Taymiyyah. =
['Dhail al-Mawdoo'aat' of
as-Suyutee (pg. 203)]And he also says about the second hadeeth mentioned =
above, "this is something
added by the general masses" [ 'ad-Durural Muntathiraa' (pg. 155 no. =
331)]
az-Zarkashee (d.794) said, "as-Suyutee made clear that these two =
ahaadeeth have no basis, and that
the second was something added by the general masses. And ibn Taymiyyah =
preceded him in this, and
ruled that the wordings were rejected and that they were lies, and =
as-Sakhaawee endorsed this in his
'Fataawaa'." 'Sharh al-Muwaahib' of az-Zarkaanee (1/33)]
as-Sakhaawee said, "as for what is common on the tongues, 'I was a =
Prophet while Adam was between
clay and water'" then we have not found it with this wording not to =
speak of the addition, 'I was a Prophet
when there was no Adam and no clay.'" [ 'al-Maqaasid al-Hasanah' (pg. =
386 no. 837)]
In the above words of ibn Taymiyyah, he refers to the following =
authentic hadeeth, "I was a prophet while
Adam was between the spirit and body" narrated by at-Haakim and others =
[See 'Silisilah as-Saheehah'
of al-Albaanee (no. 1756) for detailed documentation.]
But this hadeeth is explained by the narration of at-Tirmidhee in which =
the Prophet (SAW) was asked,
"when was the Prophethood made obligatory for you" to which he replied, =
"while Adam was between the
spirit and the body" [At-Tirmidhee chpt. 'The virtues of the Prophet =
(SAW)' (vol. 10 of the commentary of
al-Mubaarakfooree.)]
Meaning when Adam was is the state in which the soul was about to enter =
the body. [ 'Tuhfatul
Ahwadhee bi Sharh Jaami at-Tirmidhee' (vol. 10, chpt. 'The virtues of =
the Prophet (SAW)') of
al-Mubaarakfooree (d.1311)]
And by the hadeeth related in the Saheehs of al-Haakim and ibn Hibbaan, =
"I was written as a Prophet in
the presence of Allaah while Adam was intertwined in his clay."
As for the hadeeth, 'I was the first Prophet to be created and the last =
to be sent' narrated by Abu
Nu'aym in 'ad-Dalaa'il' (pg. 6) and others then this is weak (da'eef) as =
declared by al-Munaawee and
adh-Dhahabee (d.748) and al-Albaanee. ['Silsilah ad-Da'eefah' (2/115 =
no.661) for detailed
documentation.]
4.The hadeeth, "the One who knows himself, knows his Lord"
as-Sakhaawee said, "Abu al-Mudhaffar as-Sama'aanee said, 'this is not =
known as a hadeeth of the
Messenger, rather it is only related as a saying of Yahya bin Mu'aadh =
ar-Raazee.' And likewise
an-Nawawee said, 'it is not established'" ['al-Maqaasid al-Hasanah' (pg. =
491 no.1149)]
as-Suyutee said, "this hadeeth is not authentic" [ 'Haawee lil Fataawee' =
(2/351)]
Alee al-Qaaree quoted from ibn Taymiyyah saying, "fabricated" =
['al-Asraar al-Marfoo'ah' (pg. 83)]
al-Allaamaa Fairozabaadee said, "this is not from the Prophetic =
ahaadeeth, despite the fact that the
majority of people make it so, and it is not authentic at all. It is =
only related from the Jewish traditions
as 'O mankind! Know yourself and you will know your Lord'" ['ar-Radd =
alaa al-Mu'tarideen' (2/37)]
al-Albaanee says, "it has no basis" ['Silsilah ad-Da'eefah' (1/165 =
no.66)]
5.The hadeeth, "Allaah says, 'neither My Heaven or My earth can contain =
Me, but the heart of My
believing servant can contain Me.'"
Al-Ghazaalee mentioned this in his 'Ihyaa Ulum ad-Deen' with the =
wording, "Neither My Heaven nor My
earth can contain Me, but the soft humble heart of my believing servant =
can contain Me".
Al-Haafidh al-Iraaqee (the Shaykh of ibn Hajr) said in his notes to =
'al-Ihyaa', "I find no basis for it." And
as-Suyutee agreed with him, following az-Zarkashee.
Al-Iraaqee then said, "but in the hadeeth of Abu Utbah in at-Tabaraanee =
there occurs, 'the vessels of
your Lord are the hearts of the righteous servants, and the most beloved =
to Him are the softest and
most tender ones'"
ibn Taymiyyah said, "it (the original hadeeth) is mentioned in the =
Israelite traditions, but there is no
known isnaad from the Prophet (SAW) for it."
as-Sakhaawee said, agreeing with as-Suyutee, "there is no known isnaad =
from the Prophet (SAW), and
it's meaning is that his heart can contain belief in Me, love of Me and =
gnosis of Me. But as for the one
who says that Allaah incarnates in the hearts of the people, then he is =
more of an infidel than the
Christians who specified that to Christ alone."
Az-Zarkashee said that one of the scholars said that it is a false =
hadeeth, fabricated by a renegade from
the religion. He also said that at-Tabaraanee has related from Abu Utbah =
al-Khawlaanee from the
Prophet (SAW) that, "Truly, Allaah has vessels from amongst the people =
of the earth, and the vessels of
your Lord are the hearts of his righteous slaves, and the Most beloved =
of them to Him are the softest
and most tender ones" [ 'Kash al-Khafaa' (no.2256)]
al-Albaanee declared the last mentioned hadeeth to be hasan (good) [ =
'Silsilah as-Saheehah' (no.1691)]=20
6.The hadeeth, "love of ones homeland is part of faith"
as-Saghaanee declared it to be maudu (fabricated) [ 'al-Mawdoo'aat' (pg. =
7)]
as-Sakhaawee said, "I have not found it" [ 'Maqaasid al-Hasanah' (pg. =
218 no. 386)]
al-Albaanee declares it to be fabricated.['Silsilah ad-Da'eefah' (1/110 =
no.36)]
The scholars have discussed it's meaning and differed to what extent the =
meaning is correct if at all,
see the discussions in the above three references for detail.
7.The hadeeth, "Seek knowledge even if it be to China"
Related by ibn Adee (2/207)m Abu Nu'aym in 'Akhbaar Asbahaan' and others =
via many routes of
narration, and all of them adding the words "for indeed seeking =
knowledge is an obligatory duty upon all
Muslims."
Ibn al-Jawzee mentions this and then quotes ibn Hibbaan saying, =
"invalid/rejected, it has no basis"
'al-Mawdoo'aat' (1/215)]
adh-Dhahabee also endorsed the above words of ibn Hibbaan, ['Tarteeb =
al-Mawdoo'aat' of adh Dhahabee
(pg. 52 no. 111)] and likewise as-Sakhaawee ['Maqaasid al-Hasanah' (pg. =
86 no. 125)]
al-Albaanee declares this hadeeth to be maudu (fabricated) ['Da'eef =
al-Jaami as-Sagheer' (no's
1005-1006)]
In summary, the above hadeeth is related by a group of trustworthy =
narrators without the words "even if
it be to China" and a few narrators who are deemed weak/liars/abandoned =
by the scholars narrate this
additional wording. So the hadeeth with the additional wording is =
fabricated, but without is hasan (good).
[See 'Silsilah ad-Da'eefah' (1/600 no. 416) for detail.]
8.The hadeeth, "We have returned from the Lesser Jihaad, to the Greater =
Jihaad (i.e. the Jihaad against
oneself)"
Related by al-Bayhaqi with a da'eef isnaad according to al-Iraaqee. Ibn =
Hajr said that this was a saying
of Ibraaheem bin Abee Ablah, a Taabi'ee, and not a hadeeth of the =
Messenger (SAW). ['Kashf al-Khafaa'
(no.1362)]
9.The ahaadeeth on the Abdaal (The Substitutes)
as-Sakhaawee said, "it has a number of different routes from Anas (RA) =
from the Prophet (SAW), with
contradictory wording, all of which are da'eef."
a.the hadeeth related by al-Khalaal in 'Karaamaat al-Awliyaa', "the =
Abdaal are forty men and forty
women, each time a man dies Allaah substitutes another in his place, and =
each time a woman dies
Allaah substitutes another in her place"
b.the hadeeth related by at-Tabaraanee, "there will always be on the =
earth forty people like al-Khaleel
(Ibraaheem), alayhis salaam, and by them the people will given to drink =
(or have rain come down), and
by them the people will be aided, not a single one of them dies except =
that Allaah substitutes another in
his place."
c.the hadeeth related by ibn Adee in 'Kaamil', "the Abdaal are fourty, =
22 from Shaam, and 18 from Iraaq,
each time one of them dies Allaah substitutes another in his place. And =
when the Command comes
then all of them will be taken (qubidoo) and at that time the Hour will =
be established."
d.the hadeeth related by Ahmad, al-Khallaal and others from Ubaadah bin =
Saamit (RA) from the
Messenger (SAW), "There will always be thirty people in this Ummah like =
Ibraaheem, each time one of
them dies Allaah substitutes another in his place."
e.at-Tabaraanee has the wording, "and by them the earth will be =
established, and by them it will rain,
and by them they will be aided."
f.the hadeeth of Abu Nu'aym in 'al-Hilya' from ibn Umar from the =
Messenger (SAW), "the chosen ones of
this nation are 500, and the abdaal are 40 in every generation, and =
neither the 500 or the 40 will
decrease, each time one of them dies Allaah substitutes another in his =
place." The Companions said,
"tell us of their actions" He said, "they forgive those that do dhulm to =
them, and they behave well with
those that behave badly to them."
g.al-Khallaal has the wording, "There will always be forty people by =
whom the earth is preserved, each
time one of them dies Allaah substitutes another in his place."
h.the hadeeth in al-Hilya from ibn Mas'ud (RA), "there will always be 40 =
people from my Ummah whose
hearts are like the heart of Ibraaheem, Allaah will drive away (evil =
from?) the people of the earth by them,
they will be called the Abdaal. Indeed they will not attain it (the =
position of Abdaal) by (a great deal of)
prayer or fasting or giving in charity." So they asked, "so how will =
they attain it O Messenger of Allaah?"
He said, "through generosity, and by advising the Muslims."
i.The hadeeth reported by at-Tabaraanee in 'al-Ajwaad' from Anas (RA) =
from the Messenger (SAW),
"indeed the Abdaal of this ummah will not enter Paradise due to (a great =
deal) of prayer or fasting, but
they will enter due to generosity and secure hearts and advising the =
Muslims."
j.and the similar hadeeth of al-Kharaa'itee in 'al-Makaarim' related by =
Abu Sa'eed
After mentioning these as-Sakhaawee goes on to say, "and some of them =
are more severely weak than
others."['Maqaasid al-Hasanah' (pp 26-28 no.8)]
There are other hadeeth as-Sakhaawee mentions after this but fails to =
give a clear verdict on them,
some of these will be discussed below.
al-Albaanee talking about hadeeth f) above says, " Maudu (fabricated) =
related by Abu Nu'aym in
'al-Hilya' (1/8) from the route of at-Tabaraanee. And from him by ibn =
al-Jawzee in 'al-Mawdoo'aat' (3/151
his book on fabricated hadeeth)..[biographical detail on narrators =
omitted]
Adh-Dhahabee said in 'al-Meezaan' , '.it is not known, and the story to =
do with the manners of the
Abdaal is a lie' talking about this hadeeth. And ibn Hajr endorsed this =
in 'al-Lisaan'." ['Silsilah
ad-Da'eefah' (2/339 no.935)]
As-Suyuti incorporated this hadeeth in his 'Jaami as-Sagheer' and =
declared it hasan. But al-Munaawee
followed this up by pointing out the defects of the hadeeth, then after =
quoting the aforementioned words
of adh-Dhahabee he said, "and ibn al-Jawzee ruled it to be fabricated, =
and the author (as-Suyutee)
agreed with him in 'Mukhtasar al-Mawdoo'aat' and he endorsed ibn =
al-Jawzee's verdict and did not follow
it up."
Al-Albaanee concludes his discussion on the hadeeth by saying, "and know =
that there is no hadeeth to
do with the Abdaal which is authentic, all of them are defective, and =
some of them are more severely
weak than others. And I will mention a few of them for you, and unveil =
their defect, if Allaah the Exalted
and Blessed Wills."[Ibid]=20
He then discusses hadeeth d) and e) above and declares them to be munkar =
(rejected). [Silsilah
ad-Da'eefah (2/339+ no.936) for a detailed discussion.]=20
Al-Haafidh ibn al-Qayyim states in 'al-Manaar az-Muneef', "the ahaadeeth =
concerning the Abdaal,
Aqtaab, Nuqabaa, Agwaath, Najabaa and Awtaad are all false (baatil)"
Imaam Ahmad follows up hadeeth d) up by saying, "it is a munkar =
hadeeth".=20
As for this same hadeeth al-Haythamee said, "reported by Ahmad, and it's =
narrators are that of the
saheeh except for Waahid bin Qais who has been declared thiqah by =
al-Ijlee and Abu Zur'ah but weak
by other than these two" (Mujma 10/62)
Waahid bin Qais has been declared to be da'eef by a group of scholars =
amongst them ibn Ma'een (in
one of two reports from him), Abu Haatim, and Saalih bin Muhammad =
al-Baghdaadee. Adh-Dhahabee
points out that Waahid bin Qais only met some taabi'een so according to =
this the isnaad is also
munqati as he reports directly from the Companion Ubaadah bin Saamit.
As for hadeeth e) then ibn Hajr al-Haythamee declared this da'eef in his =
'Mujma az-Zawaa'id' (10/63) due
to it's isnaad containing two unknown narrators.
Al-Albaanee then discusses another hadeeth not mentioned above to do =
with the Abdaal related from
Shahr bin Hawshab from Awf bin Maalik (RA) and declares it to be =
severely weak, and likewise he
declares a hadeeth related from Alee to be da'eef.
Adh-Dhahabee quotes hadeeth, d) and one similar to e) and others and =
concludes by saying, ".by
Allaah there is no one in the Ummah of Muhammad like Abu Bakr, and the =
distance between him and
Ibraaheem in excellence cannot be measured. But this is from the =
fabrication of Abdurrahmaan bin
Marzooq at-Tarsoosee may Allaah not give him victory." Then he endorses =
ibn al-Jawzees verdict on
hadeeth c) that it is fabricated. [Tarteeb al-Mawdoo'aat (pg.272 no.'s =
974-977)
9.The hadeeth of Abu Dawood [Eng. Trans no.4273] from Umm Salamah that =
the Prophet (SAW) said,
"disagreement will occur at the death of a Khaleef and a man of the =
people of Madeenah will come forth
flying to Mecca. Some of the people of Mecca will come to him, bring him =
out against his will and swear
allegiance to him between the corner and the maqaam. An expeditionary =
force will then be sent against
them from Syria but will be swallowed up by the desert between Mecca and =
Madeenah, and when the
people see that, the Abdaal of Syria and the best people of Iraaq will =
come to him and swear allegiance
to him between the corner and the Maqaam.."
Al-Albaanee says in 'ad-Da'eefah' (no. 1965),=20
"Da'eef. Reported by Ahmad (6/316), Abu Dawood (4286), and via their =
route ibn Asaakir (1/280) from
the route of Hishaam from Qataadah from Abu Khaleel from a companion of =
his from Umm Salamah
from the Messenger (SAW).
I say: it's narrators are all thiqah except for the companion of Abu =
Khaleel for he is not named and is
therefore majhool.
Then Abu Dawood and at-Tabaraanee in 'al-Awsat' (9613) report it via the =
route of Abu al-Awaam from
Qataadah from Abu Khaleel from Abdullaah bin al-Haarith from Umm Salamah =
from the Prophet (SAW).
At-Tabaraanee said, "no one reports this hadeeth from Qataadah except =
Imraan.
I say: the majhool narrator has been named as Abdullaah bin Haarith, and =
he is ibn Nawfal al-Madanee
and he is thiqah being depended upon in the Two Saheehs. But in the =
route to him is Abu al-Awaam
who is Imraan bin Dawood al-Qattaan and he has some weakness arising due =
to his memory.
Al-Bukhaaree said, "truthful but makes mistakes."=20
Ad-Daaruqutnee said, "he used to commonly be inconsistent and make =
mistakes."
And al-Haafidh depended upon this saying of Bukhaaree in his 'Taqreeb'
Therefore his adding a thiqah narrator (in the isnaad) is something that =
the soul does not find tranquillity
in.
Al-Haakim also reports this hadeeth via him (4/431) with the wording, "a =
man from my nation shall be
swron allegiance to between the Corner and the Station by a number of =
people like the number of the
people of Badr, then the best of the people of Iraaq shall come to him =
and the Abdaal of Shaam. Then a
expedition from Shaam will set out against him.."
Al-Haakim did not give it a ruling but adh-Dhahabee said, "Abu al-Awaam =
Imraan has been declared
da'eef by more than one, and he was a Khaarijee."
Then I saw the hadeeth in 'Mawaarid al-Dham'aan' (1881) via the route of =
Abu Ya'la (4/1651) from
Muhammad bin Yazeed bin Rifaa'a from Wahb bin Jareer from Hishaam bin =
Abu Abdullaah from
Qataadah from Saalih Abu Khaleel from Mujaahid from Umm Salamah.
The narrators of this isnaad are the narrators of the Two Saheehs except =
for ibn Rifaa'a, and he is Abu
Hishaam ar-Rifaa'ee and he is da'eef. And he additionally mentioned =
Mujaahid in his isnaad but his
addition is not counted.
Then I found a follow-up to this hadeeth reported by at-Tabaraanee in =
'al-Awsat' (1164) via the route of
Ubaidullaah bin Umru from Mu'mar from Qataadah from Mujaahid and =
at-Tabraanee said, "Ubaidullaah
bin Umru said: Then I narrated it to Layth and he said Mujaahid reported =
this to me."
At-Tabaraanee said, "this hadeeth has not been reported from Mu'mar =
except by Ubaidullaah."
I say: and he is thiqah like the rest of the narrators of this isnaad. =
But they have differed about it's
isnaad to Qataadah in 4 ways:
1.Qataadah from Abu Khaleel from a companion of his from Umm Salamah. =
This is the report of
Hishaam ad-Dastawaa'ee from him.
2.The same except the companion of his has been named as Abdullaah bin =
al-Haarith
3.The same except that the companion of his has been named as Mujaahid
4.The same except that Abu al-Khaleel has been omitted between Qataadah =
and Mujaahid.
This is a severe difference which necessitates investigation and =
declaring which is the strongest isnaad.
It is obvious that the first three options deserve credence due to their =
agreeing that between Qataadah
and Umm Salamah there are two narrators whereas the fourth option =
mentions only one. So upon
considering this the fourth option is to be left due to its opposing the =
group.
Then we carefully studied the remaining three options. It is totally =
clear that the third option is to be left
due to the weakness of ibn Rifaa'ah. Close to this is the second option =
due to the poor memory of
Imraan as has preceded. Therefore the first option remains, and this is =
the weightiest out of the four.
And when this (first isnaad) revolves around the companion of Abu =
Khaleel who is unnamed in a route
that otherwise would be free of defect then he is the defect. And Allaah =
knows best.
The hadeeth has a number of other routes from Umm Salamah and other than =
her summarised, not
containing mention of the story of the pledge of allegiance and the =
Abdaal and it is investigated in
'as-Saheehah' (no.1924).
[NB it should be noted that the term 'Abdaal' was a term known amongst =
the salaf and other early
scholars as mentioned by as-Sakhaawee in 'Maqaasid'. Ibn Taymiyyah in =
'al-wasatiyyah' and
al-Albaanee. What is differed about is what it refers to - the strongest =
opinion is that it refers to the Ahlul
Hadeeth as mentioned by a number of early scholars amongst them Khateeb =
al-Baghdaadee in his
'Sharf Ashaabul Hadeeth.]=20
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
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verdict)."=20
['al-Maqaasid al-Hasanah' of<BR>as-Sakhaawee (no. 838)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">As-Suyutee (d.911) said, "this has =
no basis=20
(laa asla lahu)" ['Durural Muntathira' of as-Suyutee =
(no.330)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">al-Ijloonee (d.1162) said, "this =
saying occurs=20
often in the words of the sufis, who have relied on it, and<BR>built =
some of=20
their principles on it."[ 'Kashf al-Khafaa' of al-Ijloonee=20
(no.2016)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">al-Albaanee (contemporary) says, =
"this hadeeth=20
has no basis" ['Silsilah ad-Da'eefah' (1/166)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">2.The hadeeth, "Allaah says, 'were =
it not for=20
you (O Muhammad) I would not have created the universe.'"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">As-Saghaanee (d.650) said, "maudu=20
(fabricated)" ['al-Ahaadeeth al-Mawdoo'aat' of as-Saghaanee (pg.<BR>7)]=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">and likewise al-Albaanee ['Silsilah=20
ad-Da'eefah' (1/450 no.282)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">ash-Shaykh Mulla Alee Qaaree =
(d.1014) said,=20
"maudu, but it's meaning is correct…." =
['al-Asraar<BR>al-Marfoo'ah' of Alee=20
al-Qaaree (pp 67-68)], and quotes two narrations to prove =
this:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">a.The hadeeth related by ibn =
Asaakir, 'were it=20
not for you, the world would not have been created'. Ibn<BR>al-Jawzee =
(d.5**)=20
related this and said, "maudu (fabricated)" ['al-Mawdoo'aat' of ibn =
al-Jawzee=20
(1/288)]<BR>and likewise as-Suyutee. ['al-Laa'ee' of as-Suyutee=20
(1/272)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">b.The hadeeth related by =
ad-Dailamee, "O=20
Muhammad! Were it not for you, the Garden would not have<BR>been =
created, and=20
were it not for you the Fire would not have been created." Al-Albaanee =
said, "it=20
is not<BR>correct to certify the correctness of it's meaning without=20
establishing the authenticity of the narration<BR>from ad-Dailamee, =
which is=20
something I have not found any of the scholars to have =
addressed….Suffice<BR>to=20
know that ad-Dailamee is alone in reporting it, then I became certain of =
it's=20
weakness, rather it's<BR>flimsiness when I came across it in his =
'Musnad'=20
(1/41/2)….." ['Silsilah ad-Da'eefah' (1/451 no.282)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">3.The hadeeth related from the =
Messenger=20
(SAW), "I was a Prophet while Adam was between clay and<BR>water" and =
the=20
hadeeth, "I was a prophet when there was no Adam and no =
clay"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">ibn Taymiyyah said, "This has no =
basis.=20
Neither from the point of view of transmission or intellect, for<BR>not =
a single=20
scholar of hadeeth mentions it and it's meaning is invalid. For Adam was =
never=20
in a state in<BR>which he was between clay and water, for clay consists =
of water=20
and mud, rather he was in a state<BR>between the spirit and =
body.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Then these misguided people think =
that the=20
Prophet (SAW) was physically present at that time, and<BR>that his =
person was=20
created before all persons, and they support this with ahaadeeth which =
are=20
lies<BR>(against the Prophet), for example the hadeeth that he used to =
be Light=20
surrounding the Throne…"<BR>['Radd alaa al-Bakree' of ibn =
Taymiyyah (pg.=20
9)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">as-Suyutee said, "maudu" and =
endorsed the=20
above words of ibn Taymiyyah. ['Dhail al-Mawdoo'aat' of<BR>as-Suyutee =
(pg.=20
203)]And he also says about the second hadeeth mentioned above, "this is =
something<BR>added by the general masses" [ 'ad-Durural Muntathiraa' =
(pg. 155=20
no. 331)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">az-Zarkashee (d.794) said, =
"as-Suyutee made=20
clear that these two ahaadeeth have no basis, and that<BR>the second was =
something added by the general masses. And ibn Taymiyyah preceded him in =
this,=20
and<BR>ruled that the wordings were rejected and that they were lies, =
and=20
as-Sakhaawee endorsed this in his<BR>'Fataawaa'…" 'Sharh =
al-Muwaahib' of=20
az-Zarkaanee (1/33)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">as-Sakhaawee said, "as for what is =
common on=20
the tongues, 'I was a Prophet while Adam was between<BR>clay and water'" =
then we=20
have not found it with this wording not to speak of the addition, 'I was =
a=20
Prophet<BR>when there was no Adam and no clay.'" [ 'al-Maqaasid =
al-Hasanah' (pg.=20
386 no. 837)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">In the above words of ibn Taymiyyah, =
he refers=20
to the following authentic hadeeth, "I was a prophet while<BR>Adam was =
between=20
the spirit and body" narrated by at-Haakim and others [See 'Silisilah=20
as-Saheehah'<BR>of al-Albaanee (no. 1756) for detailed=20
documentation.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">But this hadeeth is explained by the =
narration=20
of at-Tirmidhee in which the Prophet (SAW) was asked,<BR>"when was the=20
Prophethood made obligatory for you" to which he replied, "while Adam =
was=20
between the<BR>spirit and the body" [At-Tirmidhee chpt. 'The virtues of =
the=20
Prophet (SAW)' (vol. 10 of the commentary=20
of<BR>al-Mubaarakfooree.)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Meaning when Adam was is the state =
in which=20
the soul was about to enter the body. [ 'Tuhfatul<BR>Ahwadhee bi Sharh =
Jaami=20
at-Tirmidhee' (vol. 10, chpt. 'The virtues of the Prophet (SAW)')=20
of<BR>al-Mubaarakfooree (d.1311)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">And by the hadeeth related in the =
Saheehs of=20
al-Haakim and ibn Hibbaan, "I was written as a Prophet in<BR>the =
presence of=20
Allaah while Adam was intertwined in his clay."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">As for the hadeeth, 'I was the first =
Prophet=20
to be created and the last to be sent' narrated by Abu<BR>Nu'aym in=20
'ad-Dalaa'il' (pg. 6) and others then this is weak (da'eef) as declared =
by=20
al-Munaawee and<BR>adh-Dhahabee (d.748) and al-Albaanee. ['Silsilah =
ad-Da'eefah'=20
(2/115 no.661) for detailed<BR>documentation.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">4.The hadeeth, "the One who knows =
himself,=20
knows his Lord"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">as-Sakhaawee said, "Abu al-Mudhaffar =
as-Sama'aanee said, 'this is not known as a hadeeth of the<BR>Messenger, =
rather=20
it is only related as a saying of Yahya bin Mu'aadh ar-Raazee.' And=20
likewise<BR>an-Nawawee said, 'it is not established'" ['al-Maqaasid =
al-Hasanah'=20
(pg. 491 no.1149)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">as-Suyutee said, "this hadeeth is =
not=20
authentic" [ 'Haawee lil Fataawee' (2/351)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Alee al-Qaaree quoted from ibn =
Taymiyyah=20
saying, "fabricated" ['al-Asraar al-Marfoo'ah' (pg. 83)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">al-Allaamaa Fairozabaadee said, =
"this is not=20
from the Prophetic ahaadeeth, despite the fact that the<BR>majority of =
people=20
make it so, and it is not authentic at all. It is only related from the =
Jewish=20
traditions<BR>as 'O mankind! Know yourself and you will know your Lord'" =
['ar-Radd alaa al-Mu'tarideen' (2/37)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">al-Albaanee says, "it has no basis" =
['Silsilah=20
ad-Da'eefah' (1/165 no.66)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">5.The hadeeth, "Allaah says, =
'neither My=20
Heaven or My earth can contain Me, but the heart of My<BR>believing =
servant can=20
contain Me.'"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Al-Ghazaalee mentioned this in his =
'Ihyaa Ulum=20
ad-Deen' with the wording, "Neither My Heaven nor My<BR>earth can =
contain Me,=20
but the soft humble heart of my believing servant can contain =
Me".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Al-Haafidh al-Iraaqee (the Shaykh of =
ibn Hajr)=20
said in his notes to 'al-Ihyaa', "I find no basis for it." =
And<BR>as-Suyutee=20
agreed with him, following az-Zarkashee.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Al-Iraaqee then said, "but in the =
hadeeth of=20
Abu Utbah in at-Tabaraanee there occurs, 'the vessels of<BR>your Lord =
are the=20
hearts of the righteous servants, and the most beloved to Him are the =
softest=20
and<BR>most tender ones'"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">ibn Taymiyyah said, "it (the =
original hadeeth)=20
is mentioned in the Israelite traditions, but there is no<BR>known =
isnaad from=20
the Prophet (SAW) for it."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">as-Sakhaawee said, agreeing with =
as-Suyutee,=20
"there is no known isnaad from the Prophet (SAW), and<BR>it's meaning is =
that=20
his heart can contain belief in Me, love of Me and gnosis of Me. But as =
for the=20
one<BR>who says that Allaah incarnates in the hearts of the people, then =
he is=20
more of an infidel than the<BR>Christians who specified that to Christ=20
alone."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Az-Zarkashee said that one of the =
scholars=20
said that it is a false hadeeth, fabricated by a renegade from<BR>the =
religion.=20
He also said that at-Tabaraanee has related from Abu Utbah al-Khawlaanee =
from=20
the<BR>Prophet (SAW) that, "Truly, Allaah has vessels from amongst the =
people of=20
the earth, and the vessels of<BR>your Lord are the hearts of his =
righteous=20
slaves, and the Most beloved of them to Him are the softest<BR>and most =
tender=20
ones" [ 'Kash al-Khafaa' (no.2256)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">al-Albaanee declared the last =
mentioned=20
hadeeth to be hasan (good) [ 'Silsilah as-Saheehah' (no.1691)] =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">6.The hadeeth, "love of ones =
homeland is part=20
of faith"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">as-Saghaanee declared it to be maudu =
(fabricated) [ 'al-Mawdoo'aat' (pg. 7)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">as-Sakhaawee said, "I have not found =
it" [=20
'Maqaasid al-Hasanah' (pg. 218 no. 386)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">al-Albaanee declares it to be=20
fabricated.['Silsilah ad-Da'eefah' (1/110 no.36)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">The scholars have discussed it's =
meaning and=20
differed to what extent the meaning is correct if at all,<BR>see the =
discussions=20
in the above three references for detail.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">7.The hadeeth, "Seek knowledge even =
if it be=20
to China"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Related by ibn Adee (2/207)m Abu =
Nu'aym in=20
'Akhbaar Asbahaan' and others via many routes of<BR>narration, and all =
of them=20
adding the words "for indeed seeking knowledge is an obligatory duty =
upon=20
all<BR>Muslims."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Ibn al-Jawzee mentions this and then =
quotes=20
ibn Hibbaan saying, "invalid/rejected, it has no =
basis"<BR>'al-Mawdoo'aat'=20
(1/215)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">adh-Dhahabee also endorsed the above =
words of=20
ibn Hibbaan, ['Tarteeb al-Mawdoo'aat' of adh Dhahabee<BR>(pg. 52 no. =
111)] and=20
likewise as-Sakhaawee ['Maqaasid al-Hasanah' (pg. 86 no. =
125)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">al-Albaanee declares this hadeeth to =
be maudu=20
(fabricated) ['Da'eef al-Jaami as-Sagheer' =
(no's<BR>1005-1006)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">In summary, the above hadeeth is =
related by a=20
group of trustworthy narrators without the words "even if<BR>it be to =
China" and=20
a few narrators who are deemed weak/liars/abandoned by the scholars =
narrate=20
this<BR>additional wording. So the hadeeth with the additional wording =
is=20
fabricated, but without is hasan (good).<BR>[See 'Silsilah ad-Da'eefah' =
(1/600=20
no. 416) for detail.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">8.The hadeeth, "We have returned =
from the=20
Lesser Jihaad, to the Greater Jihaad (i.e. the Jihaad=20
against<BR>oneself)"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Related by al-Bayhaqi with a da'eef =
isnaad=20
according to al-Iraaqee. Ibn Hajr said that this was a saying<BR>of =
Ibraaheem=20
bin Abee Ablah, a Taabi'ee, and not a hadeeth of the Messenger (SAW). =
['Kashf=20
al-Khafaa'<BR>(no.1362)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">9.The ahaadeeth on the Abdaal (The=20
Substitutes)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">as-Sakhaawee said, "it has a number =
of=20
different routes from Anas (RA) from the Prophet (SAW), =
with<BR>contradictory=20
wording, all of which are da'eef."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">a.the hadeeth related by al-Khalaal =
in=20
'Karaamaat al-Awliyaa', "the Abdaal are forty men and forty<BR>women, =
each time=20
a man dies Allaah substitutes another in his place, and each time a =
woman=20
dies<BR>Allaah substitutes another in her place"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">b.the hadeeth related by =
at-Tabaraanee, "there=20
will always be on the earth forty people like al-Khaleel<BR>(Ibraaheem), =
alayhis=20
salaam, and by them the people will given to drink (or have rain come =
down),=20
and<BR>by them the people will be aided, not a single one of them dies =
except=20
that Allaah substitutes another in<BR>his place."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">c.the hadeeth related by ibn Adee in =
'Kaamil',=20
"the Abdaal are fourty, 22 from Shaam, and 18 from Iraaq,<BR>each time =
one of=20
them dies Allaah substitutes another in his place. And when the Command=20
comes<BR>then all of them will be taken (qubidoo) and at that time the =
Hour will=20
be established."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">d.the hadeeth related by Ahmad, =
al-Khallaal=20
and others from Ubaadah bin Saamit (RA) from the<BR>Messenger (SAW), =
"There will=20
always be thirty people in this Ummah like Ibraaheem, each time one =
of<BR>them=20
dies Allaah substitutes another in his place."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">e.at-Tabaraanee has the wording, =
"and by them=20
the earth will be established, and by them it will rain,<BR>and by them =
they=20
will be aided."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">f.the hadeeth of Abu Nu'aym in =
'al-Hilya' from=20
ibn Umar from the Messenger (SAW), "the chosen ones of<BR>this nation =
are 500,=20
and the abdaal are 40 in every generation, and neither the 500 or the 40 =
will<BR>decrease, each time one of them dies Allaah substitutes another =
in his=20
place." The Companions said,<BR>"tell us of their actions" He said, =
"they=20
forgive those that do dhulm to them, and they behave well with<BR>those =
that=20
behave badly to them…"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">g.al-Khallaal has the wording, =
"There will=20
always be forty people by whom the earth is preserved, each<BR>time one =
of them=20
dies Allaah substitutes another in his place."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">h.the hadeeth in al-Hilya from ibn =
Mas'ud=20
(RA), "there will always be 40 people from my Ummah whose<BR>hearts are =
like the=20
heart of Ibraaheem, Allaah will drive away (evil from?) the people of =
the earth=20
by them,<BR>they will be called the Abdaal. Indeed they will not attain =
it (the=20
position of Abdaal) by (a great deal of)<BR>prayer or fasting or giving =
in=20
charity." So they asked, "so how will they attain it O Messenger of=20
Allaah?"<BR>He said, "through generosity, and by advising the=20
Muslims."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">i.The hadeeth reported by =
at-Tabaraanee in=20
'al-Ajwaad' from Anas (RA) from the Messenger (SAW),<BR>"indeed the =
Abdaal of=20
this ummah will not enter Paradise due to (a great deal) of prayer or =
fasting,=20
but<BR>they will enter due to generosity and secure hearts and advising =
the=20
Muslims."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">j.and the similar hadeeth of =
al-Kharaa'itee in=20
'al-Makaarim' related by Abu Sa'eed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">After mentioning these as-Sakhaawee =
goes on to=20
say, "and some of them are more severely weak than<BR>others."['Maqaasid =
al-Hasanah' (pp 26-28 no.8)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">There are other hadeeth as-Sakhaawee =
mentions=20
after this but fails to give a clear verdict on them,<BR>some of these =
will be=20
discussed below.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">al-Albaanee talking about hadeeth f) =
above=20
says, " Maudu (fabricated) related by Abu Nu'aym in<BR>'al-Hilya' (1/8) =
from the=20
route of at-Tabaraanee. And from him by ibn al-Jawzee in 'al-Mawdoo'aat' =
(3/151<BR>his book on fabricated hadeeth)….[biographical detail on =
narrators=20
omitted]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Adh-Dhahabee said in 'al-Meezaan' , =
'…it is=20
not known, and the story to do with the manners of the<BR>Abdaal is a =
lie'=20
talking about this hadeeth. And ibn Hajr endorsed this in 'al-Lisaan'."=20
['Silsilah<BR>ad-Da'eefah' (2/339 no.935)]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">As-Suyuti incorporated this hadeeth =
in his=20
'Jaami as-Sagheer' and declared it hasan. But al-Munaawee<BR>followed =
this up by=20
pointing out the defects of the hadeeth, then after quoting the =
aforementioned=20
words<BR>of adh-Dhahabee he said, "and ibn al-Jawzee ruled it to be =
fabricated,=20
and the author (as-Suyutee)<BR>agreed with him in 'Mukhtasar =
al-Mawdoo'aat' and=20
he endorsed ibn al-Jawzee's verdict and did not follow<BR>it =
up."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Al-Albaanee concludes his discussion =
on the=20
hadeeth by saying, "and know that there is no hadeeth to<BR>do with the =
Abdaal=20
which is authentic, all of them are defective, and some of them are more =
severely<BR>weak than others. And I will mention a few of them for you, =
and=20
unveil their defect, if Allaah the Exalted<BR>and Blessed Wills."[Ibid]=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">He then discusses hadeeth d) and e) =
above and=20
declares them to be munkar (rejected). [Silsilah<BR>ad-Da'eefah (2/339+ =
no.936)=20
for a detailed discussion.] </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Al-Haafidh ibn al-Qayyim states in =
'al-Manaar=20
az-Muneef', "the ahaadeeth concerning the Abdaal,<BR>Aqtaab, Nuqabaa, =
Agwaath,=20
Najabaa and Awtaad are all false (baatil)"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Imaam Ahmad follows up hadeeth d) up =
by=20
saying, "it is a munkar hadeeth". </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">As for this same hadeeth =
al-Haythamee said,=20
"reported by Ahmad, and it's narrators are that of the<BR>saheeh except =
for=20
Waahid bin Qais who has been declared thiqah by al-Ijlee and Abu Zur'ah =
but=20
weak<BR>by other than these two" (Mujma 10/62)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Waahid bin Qais has been declared to =
be da'eef=20
by a group of scholars amongst them ibn Ma'een (in<BR>one of two reports =
from=20
him), Abu Haatim, and Saalih bin Muhammad al-Baghdaadee. =
Adh-Dhahabee<BR>points=20
out that Waahid bin Qais only met some taabi'een so according to this =
the isnaad=20
is also<BR>munqati as he reports directly from the Companion Ubaadah bin =
Saamit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">As for hadeeth e) then ibn Hajr =
al-Haythamee=20
declared this da'eef in his 'Mujma az-Zawaa'id' (10/63) due<BR>to it's =
isnaad=20
containing two unknown narrators.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Al-Albaanee then discusses another =
hadeeth not=20
mentioned above to do with the Abdaal related from<BR>Shahr bin Hawshab =
from Awf=20
bin Maalik (RA) and declares it to be severely weak, and likewise =
he<BR>declares=20
a hadeeth related from Alee to be da'eef.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Adh-Dhahabee quotes hadeeth, d) and =
one=20
similar to e) and others and concludes by saying, "…by<BR>Allaah =
there is no one=20
in the Ummah of Muhammad like Abu Bakr, and the distance between him=20
and<BR>Ibraaheem in excellence cannot be measured. But this is from the=20
fabrication of Abdurrahmaan bin<BR>Marzooq at-Tarsoosee may Allaah not =
give him=20
victory." Then he endorses ibn al-Jawzees verdict on<BR>hadeeth c) that =
it is=20
fabricated. [Tarteeb al-Mawdoo'aat (pg.272 no.'s 974-977)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">9.The hadeeth of Abu Dawood [Eng. =
Trans=20
no.4273] from Umm Salamah that the Prophet (SAW) said,<BR>"disagreement =
will=20
occur at the death of a Khaleef and a man of the people of Madeenah will =
come=20
forth<BR>flying to Mecca. Some of the people of Mecca will come to him, =
bring=20
him out against his will and swear<BR>allegiance to him between the =
corner and=20
the maqaam. An expeditionary force will then be sent against<BR>them =
from Syria=20
but will be swallowed up by the desert between Mecca and Madeenah, and =
when=20
the<BR>people see that, the Abdaal of Syria and the best people of Iraaq =
will=20
come to him and swear allegiance<BR>to him between the corner and the=20
Maqaam…."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Al-Albaanee says in 'ad-Da'eefah' =
(no. 1965),=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">"Da'eef. Reported by Ahmad (6/316), =
Abu Dawood=20
(4286), and via their route ibn Asaakir (1/280) from<BR>the route of =
Hishaam=20
from Qataadah from Abu Khaleel from a companion of his from Umm =
Salamah<BR>from=20
the Messenger (SAW).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I say: it's narrators are all thiqah =
except=20
for the companion of Abu Khaleel for he is not named and is<BR>therefore =
majhool.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Then Abu Dawood and at-Tabaraanee in =
'al-Awsat' (9613) report it via the route of Abu al-Awaam =
from<BR>Qataadah from=20
Abu Khaleel from Abdullaah bin al-Haarith from Umm Salamah from the =
Prophet=20
(SAW).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">At-Tabaraanee said, "no one reports =
this=20
hadeeth from Qataadah except Imraan.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I say: the majhool narrator has been =
named as=20
Abdullaah bin Haarith, and he is ibn Nawfal al-Madanee<BR>and he is =
thiqah being=20
depended upon in the Two Saheehs. But in the route to him is Abu =
al-Awaam<BR>who=20
is Imraan bin Dawood al-Qattaan and he has some weakness arising due to =
his=20
memory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Al-Bukhaaree said, "truthful but =
makes=20
mistakes." </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Ad-Daaruqutnee said, "he used to =
commonly be=20
inconsistent and make mistakes."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">And al-Haafidh depended upon this =
saying of=20
Bukhaaree in his 'Taqreeb'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Therefore his adding a thiqah =
narrator (in the=20
isnaad) is something that the soul does not find=20
tranquillity<BR>in.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Al-Haakim also reports this hadeeth =
via him=20
(4/431) with the wording, "a man from my nation shall be<BR>swron =
allegiance to=20
between the Corner and the Station by a number of people like the number =
of=20
the<BR>people of Badr, then the best of the people of Iraaq shall come =
to him=20
and the Abdaal of Shaam. Then a<BR>expedition from Shaam will set out =
against=20
him…."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Al-Haakim did not give it a ruling =
but=20
adh-Dhahabee said, "Abu al-Awaam Imraan has been declared<BR>da'eef by =
more than=20
one, and he was a Khaarijee."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Then I saw the hadeeth in 'Mawaarid=20
al-Dham'aan' (1881) via the route of Abu Ya'la (4/1651) from<BR>Muhammad =
bin=20
Yazeed bin Rifaa'a from Wahb bin Jareer from Hishaam bin Abu Abdullaah=20
from<BR>Qataadah from Saalih Abu Khaleel from Mujaahid from Umm=20
Salamah.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">The narrators of this isnaad are the =
narrators=20
of the Two Saheehs except for ibn Rifaa'a, and he is Abu<BR>Hishaam =
ar-Rifaa'ee=20
and he is da'eef. And he additionally mentioned Mujaahid in his isnaad =
but=20
his<BR>addition is not counted.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Then I found a follow-up to this =
hadeeth=20
reported by at-Tabaraanee in 'al-Awsat' (1164) via the route =
of<BR>Ubaidullaah=20
bin Umru from Mu'mar from Qataadah from Mujaahid and at-Tabraanee said,=20
"Ubaidullaah<BR>bin Umru said: Then I narrated it to Layth and he said =
Mujaahid=20
reported this to me."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">At-Tabaraanee said, "this hadeeth =
has not been=20
reported from Mu'mar except by Ubaidullaah."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I say: and he is thiqah like the =
rest of the=20
narrators of this isnaad. But they have differed about it's<BR>isnaad to =
Qataadah in 4 ways:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">1.Qataadah from Abu Khaleel from a =
companion=20
of his from Umm Salamah. This is the report of<BR>Hishaam ad-Dastawaa'ee =
from=20
him.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">2.The same except the companion of =
his has=20
been named as Abdullaah bin al-Haarith</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">3.The same except that the companion =
of his=20
has been named as Mujaahid</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">4.The same except that Abu =
al-Khaleel has been=20
omitted between Qataadah and Mujaahid.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">This is a severe difference which =
necessitates=20
investigation and declaring which is the strongest isnaad.<BR>It is =
obvious that=20
the first three options deserve credence due to their agreeing that =
between=20
Qataadah<BR>and Umm Salamah there are two narrators whereas the fourth =
option=20
mentions only one. So upon<BR>considering this the fourth option is to =
be left=20
due to its opposing the group.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Then we carefully studied the =
remaining three=20
options. It is totally clear that the third option is to be left<BR>due =
to the=20
weakness of ibn Rifaa'ah. Close to this is the second option due to the =
poor=20
memory of<BR>Imraan as has preceded. Therefore the first option remains, =
and=20
this is the weightiest out of the four.<BR>And when this (first isnaad) =
revolves=20
around the companion of Abu Khaleel who is unnamed in a route<BR>that =
otherwise=20
would be free of defect then he is the defect. And Allaah knows=20
best.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">The hadeeth has a number of other =
routes from=20
Umm Salamah and other than her summarised, not<BR>containing mention of =
the=20
story of the pledge of allegiance and the Abdaal and it is investigated=20
in<BR>'as-Saheehah' (no.1924).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">[NB it should be noted that the term =
'Abdaal'=20
was a term known amongst the salaf and other early<BR>scholars as =
mentioned by=20
as-Sakhaawee in 'Maqaasid'. Ibn Taymiyyah in 'al-wasatiyyah' =
and<BR>al-Albaanee.=20
What is differed about is what it refers to - the strongest opinion is =
that it=20
refers to the Ahlul<BR>Hadeeth as mentioned by a number of early =
scholars=20
amongst them Khateeb al-Baghdaadee in his<BR>'Sharf Ashaabul Hadeeth.]=20
<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Allahumma salli wasallim alaa =
Nabiyyina=20
Muhammad. Wasalaam.<BR>Modou Mbye</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Assalamu alaikum Bro Madiba,
Alhamdulillah. Maybe I started calling you Dr. too soon :). Alhamdulillah
that it is finally official. May Allah take you to higher heights. Don't
forget the Nobel Prize. Go for it. You know you have enough cheerleaders at
the 'Bantaba'.
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
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Welcome to GESO, and you do not have to apologise for anything. GESO is still
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Hamjatta,
The points you raise here were the gist of my rejoinder to Cherno Baba
Jallow's original defense and challenge to Halifa. One of two things
happened during the transition and up to Korro's death: either Halifa Sallah
has been duped/seduced by the AFPRC (which is very unlikely,) or he has been
the cunning manipulator who has been using his superior intelligence to
pursue less than honorable ulterior motives (just like Robert McNamara did
with Lyndon Johnson here in the 60s.) Any way you look at it, it doesn't
look good for Halifa. It is very disturbing b/c here is a very highly
intelligent person, preying on a group of people, who at best are only of
average intelligence. Considering that no one in the defunct AFPRC had the
education, intelligence, or foresight to be running anything, the Council
members were taking their cues from resident intellectuals like Halifa.
Their strategy was basically putting out daily "feelers" trying to gauge the
direction of public sentiment through the public's reaction to stories in
the media
I have never been a supporter of formal Socialism. I think as Africans, we
already practice socialism in our blood relationships. When one person has
to support ten, thirty, or fifty people monthly, I call that the epitome of
socialism. This is a simplistic interpretation of the Socialist system, but
at the core, Socialism is all about communal/societal ownership/control of
economic resources. Whether it's direct distribution of resources, or the
trickle-down form I just alluded to makes no difference. And when you look
at the Gambia especially, to even think that Socialsim will work is utopian
or Quixotic. To be very blunt, Gambians are as corrupt as any corrupt people
on the face of the earth. And we are more hypocritical than we like to admit
- at all levels of our society. Every public enterprise (the total
monopolies we inherited at independence, and the ones formed by the first
Republic) have all been looted BY GAMBIANS: GPMB, GUC, GCDB, NTC etc etc. So
why should we nationalize resources only to have a few crooks loot them
again? That doesn't make any sense!
But despite my reservations, I was a supporter of PDOIS b/c I thought these
were a very decent, and honorable group of people. But since the coup, the
news from the PDOIS group has been very disappointing to say the least.
First, there was the flip-flop about the legitimacy of the coup itself. (
Ironically, when Ousainou Mbengue organized a petition to urge the AFPRC
junta to release the PDOIS trio, I was one of the first people to sign the
doc.) No regrets there. But, PDOIS was first against the coup, then they
were not. Or may be you have to be psychic to know what's going on at PDOIS
often times.
Overall, as the transition continued, it became abundantly clear to anyone
w/ eyes to see where the loyalties of the PDOIS group lied. For some reason,
they seem to have concluded that if they cannot win the elections (and they
can't,) then Yaya should rule. Their campaign for the doctored 1996
constitution is particularly disgraceful. How can any honest Gambian
subscribe to a document that gives a particular group of people the RIGHT to
do ANYTHING w/ impunity. And this particular group has been doing just that
since the elections. Talk to Shingle Nyassi, Waa Juwara or the thousands of
innocent Gambians who have been savagely brutalized by this regime. What
has Halifa in particular seen in that constitution that is redemptive of our
national values? Is Halifa now proud to have vigorously campaigned for this
document? Does he feel culpable for helping put in place such APRC carte
blanche' to commit unspeakable terrorism? To be specific, what was in the
constitution for Halifa b/c apparently, there's nothing there for the
Gambia. No TERM LIMITS, and a License to kill, maim, imprison, abduct and
torture wantonly. What a shame!
But, what was the last straw for me was the sorry excuse of an
"investigation" that PDOIS reported in their paper regarding Korro's murder.
Complete morons in the Gambia know how that man died! To have PDOIS tell
that ricidulous story about Korro is pathetic!
I can understand if they were trying to cool tempers. But even then, getting
the Ceesay family justice should matter. By spinning that spurrious story
about how Korro really died, PDOIS has irredeemably allienated many hitherto
sympathetic followers. We now know that there were several members of the
Council who were pushing Yaya to go after the culprits. A little push from
PDOIS could have catapulted him into action - for the better. But, it's been
five years now, and people are still asking the same questions. And if I
were a betting man, I'll tell you this: Korro Ceesay's death will haunt the
Yaya Jammeh inner circle to their graves. You cannot pacify the public w/
lies. To get closure, the truth has to come out so people can move on. When
that truth comes out, PDOIS will be one group of people held up for public
ridicule. And very deservedly! Again, I have to ask, what interest does
PDOIS have in concocting such a story for the Jammeh govt.?
And there were the degrees that banned every politician but themselves. I
was expecting a protest from PDOIS b/c I was under the illusion that they
belief in fair play. I can understand why the PPP should be banned. Frankly,
they (PPP) created the conditions that warranted the coup in the first
place. Not to talk about the corrupt Slime Balls who totally controlled that
party. But to ban Sherrif Dibba who exposed PPP corruption for twenty years
only b/c he "used" to be a member of the PPP? Where is PDOIS' sense of
fairness, or justice? This is the party that campaigned for the trial and
conviction of some police officers who tortured Momodou Jarju to death in
the late eighties. Jarju was a watchman at Jallow Pol's Brikama bakery. That
assertive stance was what endeared me to PDOIS. I even campaigned for Halifa
in S/K East while I was still in the Sixth Form in '87. What happened to
PDOIS?
PDOIS and Halifa in particular need to apologize for their behavior since
the coup. More and more Gambians are talking about the double standards, the
pro-'96 Constitution campaign, and the shameful "Korro Ceesay died in an
accident" non-seller. Apologizing would be better than this Clitonesque
arrogance coming from PDOIS: "I can make you people believe anything b/c I'm
so smart." Just remember these lines from Bob Marley Halifa:
"You can fool some people all the time
You can fool some of the people most of the time
But you cannot fool ALL the people all the time."
To continue to enjoy any measure of credibility, you need to own up to your
blunders/misdeeds! It's the only honorable thing to do.
Saul Saidykhan.
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Saul,
i'm glad we have started talking about the role of the PDOIS during the
transition. They know've got questions and loads of that to answer. We shall
await Halifa's response. From there we shall take it up with him.
It was with bemusement that i read Halifa cannily weaving webs with a Daily
Observer interview whether the NCP/GPP ban was justified. What was a classic
case answer of yes or no took him a page to answer. Even then he
categorically did not come out and support the cause of these politicians who
were wrongfully banned. With his usual canny sophistry and ironic wit, he
kept on beating about the bush on an issue which for me became the final
straw, that the PDOIS of 1992 was not the same PDOIS of 1996. Tacitly Halifa
does symphatise with the AFPRC. WHY? Only he can answer.
Hamjatta Kanteh
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Assalaamu alaikum Tony
Alhamdulillah and may Allah reward you for increasing my knowledge about =
the hadith. I also checked Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim and got many =
hadiths relating to the topic. In fact, Imaam Muslim arranges hadith and =
their title headings according to jurisprudential rulings. Below you =
will see how he (may Allah have mercy on him) treated the subject. =
Again, he is also in consonnance with a lot of great jurisprudents, both =
past and contemporary with regard to the issue.
The apparent contradictions in hadith are areas that require very sound =
knowledge of jurisprudence for one to decipher. It often requires =
'comparative fiqh' (examining the rulings of great fuqaha- from the =
Sahaba down to the present). This enables the jurisconsult a wide view =
of the issue by comparing all the rulings related to the issue and the =
evidences backing them. If you are familiar with the Fatawa of Ibn =
Taymiyya ( runs into about 37 or so volumes and available at Ummul Qura =
Islamic foundation at Fajikunda) you will see what I'm trying to say.
Often a question is posed to Ibn Taymiyya, and in answering he will =
bring forth the relevant ayaat, hadith, the statements and rulings of =
the Sahaba, their followers and sthe students of the followers as well =
as the four great Imaams of the schools of thought (Imaam Abu Hanifa, =
Malik, Shafi'i and ibn Hanbal). The standing committee which gave the =
fatwa I posted normally operate on this kind of methodology. In fact, Dr =
Azizah al-Hibri (whose article on family-planning you posted) also used =
the same method. That is why I said I will strive to find the reason why =
great Imaams such as al-Auza'i, Malik and Shafi'i differed from their =
contemporaries on the issue at hand. Or what leeway they gave about the =
issue.
The debate is very healthy Tony, and I commend you for your excellent =
temperament on issues of this nature. I think, given the wealth of =
information that is popping up about the issue, we should continue on =
researching the issue detailedly. We shuold get in touch with as many =
scholars as possible or their positions on this pertinent subject. To =
that end, I pray that Allah increase us in knowledge and make our hearts =
content with what is most just. Imaam Muslim wrote:
Chapter 72: TRAVELLING OF A WOMAN WITH HER MAHRAM FOR HAJJ, ETC.=20
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Book 7, Number 3096:=20
Ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may =
peace be upon him) as saying: A woman should not set out on three (days' =
journey) except when she has a Mahram with her.=20
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Book 7 ,Number 3097:=20
This hadith has been narrated on the same authority by Ubaidullah. And =
in the narration of Abu Bakr (the words are): "More than three (days)." =
Ibn Numair narrated on the authority of his father, (and the words are): =
"Three (days) except (when) she has a Mahram with her."=20
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Book 7 ,Number 3098:=20
'Abdullah b. Umar (Allah -be pleased with them) reported Allah's =
Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: It is not lawful for a woman =
who believes in Allah and the Hereafter to travel for more than three =
nights journey except when there is a Mahram with her.=20
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Book 7 ,Number 3099:=20
Qaza'ah reported: I heard a hadith from Abu Sa'id (Allah be pleased =
with him) and it impressed me (very much), so I said to him: Did you =
hear it (yourself) from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) ? =
Thereupon he said: (Can) I speak of anything about Allah's Messenger =
(may peace be upon him) which I did not bear? He said: I heard Allah's =
Messenger (may peace be upon him) saying: Do not set out on a journey =
(for religious devotion) but for the three mosques-for this mosque of =
mine (at Medina) the Sacred Mosque (at Mecca), and the Mosque al-Aqsa =
(Bait al-Maqdis), and I heard him saying also: A woman should not travel =
for two days duration, but only when there is a Mahram with her or her =
husband.=20
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Book 7 ,Number 3100:=20
Qaza'ah reported: I heard Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with =
him) saying: I heard four things from Allah's Messenger (may peace be =
upon him) which impressed me and captivated me (and one out of these is =
this), that he forbade a woman to undertake journey extending over two =
days but with her husband, or with a Mahram; and he then narrated the =
rest of the hadith.=20
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Abu Sa'id (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may =
peace be upon him) as saying: A woman should not set out on three =
(days') journey, but in the company of a Mahram.=20
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Book 7 ,Number 3102:=20
Abu Sa'id Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle =
(may peace be upon him) as saying: A woman should not set out on a =
journey extending beyond three nights but with a Mahram.=20
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chain of transmitters and he said: "More than three (days) except in the =
company of a Mahram."=20
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Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger =
(may peace be upon him) as saying: It is not lawful for a Muslim woman =
to travel a night's journey except when there is a Mahram with her.=20
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Book 7 ,Number 3105:=20
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may =
peace be upon him) as saying: It is not lawful for a woman who believes =
in Allah and the Hereafter to undertake a day's journey except in the =
company of a Mahram.=20
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Book 7 ,Number 3106:=20
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger =
(may peace be upon him) as saying: It is not lawful for a woman =
believing in Allah and the Hereafter to undertake journey extending over =
a day and a night except when there is a Mahram with her.=20
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Book 7 ,Number 3107:=20
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger =
(may peace be upon him) as saying: It is not lawful for a woman to =
undertake three (days,) journey except when there is a Mahram with her.=20
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Book 7 ,Number 3108:=20
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's =
Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: It is not lawful for a =
woman believing in Allah and the Hereafter to undertake journey =
extending over three days or more, except when she is in the company of =
her father, or her son, or her husband, or her brother, or any other =
Mahram.=20
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Book 7 ,Number 3109:=20
A hadith like this has been narrated by A'mash with the same chain of =
transmitters.=20
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Book 7 ,Number 3110:=20
Ibn 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with them) reported: I heard Allah's =
Messenger (may peace be upon him) delivering a sermon and making this =
observation: "No person should be alone with a woman except when there =
is a Mahram with her, and the woman should not undertake journey except =
with a Mahram." A person stood up and said: Allah's Messenger, my wife =
has set out for pilgrimage, whereas I am enlisted to fight in such and =
such battle, whereupon he said: "You go and perform Hajj with your =
wife."=20
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Book 7 ,Number 3111:=20
A hadith like this has been narrated by 'Amr on the authority of the =
same chain of transmitters.=20
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Book 7 ,Number 3112:=20
Ibn Juraij narrated this hadith with the same chain of transmitters, =
but he made no mention of it: "No person should be alone with a woman =
except when there is a Mahram with her."=20
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
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<DIV align=3Djustify><FONT size=3D4>Assalaamu alaikum Tony</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify> </DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify><FONT size=3D4>Alhamdulillah and may Allah reward =
you for=20
increasing my knowledge about the hadith. I also checked Sahih Bukhari =
and Sahih=20
Muslim and got many hadiths relating to the topic. In fact, Imaam Muslim =
arranges hadith and their title headings according to jurisprudential =
rulings.=20
Below you will see how he (may Allah have mercy on him) treated the =
subject.=20
Again, he is also in consonnance with a lot of great jurisprudents, both =
past=20
and contemporary with regard to the issue.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify> </DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify><FONT size=3D4>The apparent contradictions in =
hadith are areas=20
that require very sound knowledge of jurisprudence for one to decipher. =
It often=20
requires 'comparative fiqh' (examining the rulings of great fuqaha- from =
the=20
Sahaba down to the present). This enables the jurisconsult a wide =
view of=20
the issue by comparing all the rulings related to the issue and the =
evidences=20
backing them. If you are familiar with the Fatawa of Ibn Taymiyya ( runs =
into=20
about 37 or so volumes and available at Ummul Qura Islamic foundation at =
Fajikunda) you will see what I'm trying to say.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify> </DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify><FONT size=3D4>Often a question is posed to Ibn =
Taymiyya, and=20
in answering he will bring forth the relevant ayaat, hadith, the =
statements and=20
rulings of the Sahaba, their followers and sthe students of the =
followers as=20
well as the four great Imaams of the schools of thought (Imaam Abu =
Hanifa,=20
Malik, Shafi'i and ibn Hanbal). The standing committee which gave the =
fatwa I=20
posted normally operate on this kind of methodology. In fact, Dr Azizah =
al-Hibri=20
(whose article on family-planning you posted) also used the same =
method.=20
That is why I said I will strive to find the reason why great Imaams =
such as=20
al-Auza'i, Malik and Shafi'i differed from their contemporaries on the =
issue at=20
hand. Or what leeway they gave about the issue.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify> </DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify><FONT size=3D4>The debate is very healthy Tony, and =
I=20
commend you for your excellent temperament on issues of this =
nature. I=20
think, given the wealth of information that is popping up about the=20
issue, we should continue on researching the issue =
detailedly. We=20
shuold get in touch with as many scholars as possible or their positions =
on this=20
pertinent subject. To that end, I pray that Allah increase us in =
knowledge=20
and make our hearts content with what is most just. Imaam Muslim=20
wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<CENTER><FONT color=3D#089394><FONT =
size=3D4></FONT></FONT> </CENTER>
<CENTER><FONT color=3D#089394><FONT size=3D4><A name=3D072_b7>Chapter =
72: TRAVELLING=20
OF A WOMAN WITH HER MAHRAM FOR HAJJ, ETC. </A></FONT></CENTER></FONT>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3096>Book 7, Number 3096: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger =
(may peace=20
be upon him) as saying: A woman should not set out on three (days' =
journey)=20
except when she has a Mahram with her. </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3097>Book 7 ,Number 3097: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>This hadith has been narrated on the same authority by Ubaidullah. =
And in=20
the narration of Abu Bakr (the words are): "More than three (days)." =
Ibn=20
Numair narrated on the authority of his father, (and the words are): =
"Three=20
(days) except (when) she has a Mahram with her." </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3098>Book 7 ,Number 3098: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>'Abdullah b. Umar (Allah -be pleased with them) reported Allah's =
Apostle=20
(may peace be upon him) as saying: It is not lawful for a woman who =
believes=20
in Allah and the Hereafter to travel for more than three nights =
journey except=20
when there is a Mahram with her. </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3099>Book 7 ,Number 3099: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Qaza'ah reported: I heard a hadith from Abu Sa'id (Allah be pleased =
with=20
him) and it impressed me (very much), so I said to him: Did you hear =
it=20
(yourself) from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) ? Thereupon =
he said:=20
(Can) I speak of anything about Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon =
him)=20
which I did not bear? He said: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be =
upon=20
him) saying: Do not set out on a journey (for religious devotion) but =
for the=20
three mosques-for this mosque of mine (at Medina) the Sacred Mosque =
(at=20
Mecca), and the Mosque al-Aqsa (Bait al-Maqdis), and I heard him =
saying also:=20
A woman should not travel for two days duration, but only when there =
is a=20
Mahram with her or her husband. </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3100>Book 7 ,Number 3100: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Qaza'ah reported: I heard Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased =
with him)=20
saying: I heard four things from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon =
him)=20
which impressed me and captivated me (and one out of these is this), =
that he=20
forbade a woman to undertake journey extending over two days but with =
her=20
husband, or with a Mahram; and he then narrated the rest of the =
hadith.=20
</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3101>Book 7 ,Number 3101: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Abu Sa'id (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger =
(may peace=20
be upon him) as saying: A woman should not set out on three (days') =
journey,=20
but in the company of a Mahram. </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3102>Book 7 ,Number 3102: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Abu Sa'id Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's =
Apostle (may=20
peace be upon him) as saying: A woman should not set out on a journey=20
extending beyond three nights but with a Mahram. </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3103>Book 7 ,Number 3103: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Qatada with the =
same=20
chain of transmitters and he said: "More than three (days) except in =
the=20
company of a Mahram." </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3104>Book 7 ,Number 3104: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger =
(may=20
peace be upon him) as saying: It is not lawful for a Muslim woman to =
travel a=20
night's journey except when there is a Mahram with her. =
</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3105>Book 7 ,Number 3105: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle =
(may peace=20
be upon him) as saying: It is not lawful for a woman who believes in =
Allah and=20
the Hereafter to undertake a day's journey except in the company of a =
Mahram.=20
</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3106>Book 7 ,Number 3106: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger =
(may=20
peace be upon him) as saying: It is not lawful for a woman believing =
in Allah=20
and the Hereafter to undertake journey extending over a day and a =
night except=20
when there is a Mahram with her. </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3107>Book 7 ,Number 3107: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger =
(may=20
peace be upon him) as saying: It is not lawful for a woman to =
undertake three=20
(days,) journey except when there is a Mahram with her. =
</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3108>Book 7 ,Number 3108: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's =
Messenger=20
(may peace be upon him) as saying: It is not lawful for a woman =
believing in=20
Allah and the Hereafter to undertake journey extending over three days =
or=20
more, except when she is in the company of her father, or her son, or =
her=20
husband, or her brother, or any other Mahram. </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3109>Book 7 ,Number 3109: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>A hadith like this has been narrated by A'mash with the same chain =
of=20
transmitters. </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3110>Book 7 ,Number 3110: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Ibn 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with them) reported: I heard Allah's =
Messenger=20
(may peace be upon him) delivering a sermon and making this =
observation: "No=20
person should be alone with a woman except when there is a Mahram with =
her,=20
and the woman should not undertake journey except with a Mahram." A =
person=20
stood up and said: Allah's Messenger, my wife has set out for =
pilgrimage,=20
whereas I am enlisted to fight in such and such battle, whereupon he =
said:=20
"You go and perform Hajj with your wife." </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3111>Book 7 ,Number 3111: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>A hadith like this has been narrated by 'Amr on the authority of =
the same=20
chain of transmitters. </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
<EM><A name=3D007_3112>Book 7 ,Number 3112: </A></EM>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Ibn Juraij narrated this hadith with the same chain of =
transmitters, but he=20
made no mention of it: "No person should be alone with a woman except =
when=20
there is a Mahram with her." </P></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Allahumma salli wasallim alaa =
Nabiyyina=20
Muhammad. Wasalaam.<BR>Modou Mbye</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Congratulations and for job well done......!!!!
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Hamjatta and Saul,
Halifa is not in the office today. He is preparing to travel to Abidjan
tomorrow to attend a UNICEF Regional Consultation on Vision for African
Children in 21st Century. He should be back on Sunday next which is the 5
December and I am sure he will find your questions very interesting. If
anybody else has anything to ask or any contention to raise regarding the
transition period, please raise those issues before he comes so that all
contentious issues can be treated at one go.
I wish to inform Hamjatta and Saul Khan that I was the one extracting from
the publications Halifa's conduct during the coup. The work had become too
much because of the competing use of the computer to produce a newspaper,
school books, research and consultancy materials, etc. I did not think it
was a priority, but as halifa had insisted before, I should have just
completed the work. May be if I did, the questions which are being raised
would not have been raised. I remember going up to the arrest and detention
under Decree No. 4. I would reorganise myself and make it a point of duty to
give anybody interested the whole history. I must say that I am enjoying the
new wave of public discourse that is developing. We will now see which
political figures in The Gambia are transparent or otherwise. All political
figures should be subjected to the scrutiny you have started.
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Thanks Sheikh,
Understood. Let you and Halifa take all the time you need. I'd rather have a
late-but-thorough answer, than a prompt-but-half-baked one.
Peace.
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>Hamjatta and Saul,
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>Halifa is not in the office today. He is preparing to travel to Abidjan
>tomorrow to attend a UNICEF Regional Consultation on Vision for African
>Children in 21st Century. He should be back on Sunday next which is the 5
>December and I am sure he will find your questions very interesting. If
>anybody else has anything to ask or any contention to raise regarding the
>transition period, please raise those issues before he comes so that all
>contentious issues can be treated at one go.
>
>I wish to inform Hamjatta and Saul Khan that I was the one extracting from
>the publications Halifa's conduct during the coup. The work had become too
>much because of the competing use of the computer to produce a newspaper,
>school books, research and consultancy materials, etc. I did not think it
>was a priority, but as halifa had insisted before, I should have just
>completed the work. May be if I did, the questions which are being raised
>would not have been raised. I remember going up to the arrest and detention
>under Decree No. 4. I would reorganise myself and make it a point of duty
>to
>give anybody interested the whole history. I must say that I am enjoying
>the
>new wave of public discourse that is developing. We will now see which
>political figures in The Gambia are transparent or otherwise. All political
>figures should be subjected to the scrutiny you have started.
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>Sheikh.
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<< I must say that I am enjoying the
new wave of public discourse that is developing. We will now see which
political figures in The Gambia are transparent or otherwise. All political
figures should be subjected to the scrutiny you have started.
Sheikh. >>
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Yes Saul, well said. l think that to be perfectly fair, and to show that we
have no personal agendas or hidden biases, we should also bring to light all
the political parties/figures in trems of their actions, not only during the
transition period, but during the Jawara era as well as now. Afterall, this
is a new wave of political consciousness for the Gambian people, and how
else can we make the right choices if all our politicians are not put up to
public scrutiny equally.After this, l say let us invite the likes of
Ousainou Darboe and other political party leaders to come forward and tell
us their views, actions, and their agenda for our country so we can be in a
position to make informed choices when we go to the ballot box. Let the
debate continue.
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Sheikh,
We await Halifa's usual wiseacres. I'm sure the debate would be an
interesting one.
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Madiba,
congrats brother men. go for it....... i mean the bigger prize; the one with
the N word in front of it as someone suggested earlier. Do us proud and bring
us the Nobel Prize in the Sciences. Africa definitely needs that break. Once
again bravo.
Aloha,
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Madiba:
This is great news! Congrats! and we are very proud of you. Gambia is
proud of you and so are the folks in/from Saloum. May God strengthen
you and may this be the beginning of bigger and greater things to come
in your career.
Cheers!
Abdoulaye
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:05:44 -0500
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Mr. Jones:
Kindly send me a hard copy as well. Thanks for the information.
Abdoulaye saine
Department of Political Science
Miami University
Oxford, OH 45056
"B.M.Jones" wrote:
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> Hi Tijan,
>
> Send me your mailing address and you will surely get a hard
> copy asap.
>
> basil
> On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:37:18 +0000 Sheikh Tejan Nyang
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> > Basil,
> > I always enjoy reading your interesting analysis. Keep it
> up. I have tried to access this > document but find it
> difficult to get through . Any help ? Regards . Bro Tejan.
> > > B.M.Jones wrote:
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > > > I came across a paper on the evolution of the
> Gambian > > economy and it provides a very concise summary
> of the > > economic performance from 1964-1998. The first
> 13 pages is > > is easy to read, thereafter it becomes a
> little bit > > technical. The evolution of the economy is
> divided into > > four phases of real significance 1964-78,
> 1979-86,1987-94, > > 1995-98. Easy comparisons can be made.
> The paper can be > > downloaded from:
> > > http://www.imf.org/external/country/GMB/index.htm > >
> and search under publications for a paper by Christian > >
> Beddies (August 1999). > >
> > > To Ndey, Jabou, Awa and the other sisters, I consider >
> > myself to be liberal and believe in equality and > >
> appreciate your contributions to the L. Keep the postings >
> > coming. > >
> > > Basil > > ---------------
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Gambia-L,
I received this mail from Saul Khan about a week ago. I did not reply
promptly because of two reasons. First, I thought I should wait for
sometime, because the mail contains some serious contentions which might
have diverted our attention from the more urgent issues we were
addressing at that time. Secondly, I was very busy with work and could
hardly find time to respond to it.
Let me start by saying that Saul sent me a private mail, the reason for
that he surely knows better. I have, however, decided to reply on the
forum for the simple reason that I do not consider this matter a private
one. Besides, responding here openly will once and for all clarify my
stand should there be any other list member who may not be sure of what
I stand for. Let me first restate what I stated in my mail on national
unity:
"Another area where we can certainly find common ground is on national
unity. The days before the last elections in 1994 (should have been
1996) were unfortunately characterised by dangerous ethnic political
propaganda. It is no secret that some politicians tried to use their
ethnic origin to muster support by propagating the idea that Gambia must
be ruled by this or that ethnic group. Recent events have shown that
this ugly demon is still with us. Ethnic politics as we know, looking
back at experiences from Liberia, Sierra Leone, Burundi etc. can benefit
no one. It amounts to a group of very unscrupulous people using the
ignorance of the people to secure their own selfish interest only to run
away and seek refuge when things get out of control and especially when
their own lives are threatened; indeed they run, scream and crawl to ask
for pardon after bringing ruin to their own people including those from
the same ethnic group. So here too we can identify a common ground. Any
action by any group of people, be they a political grouping or not, be
they the party ruling the country or not, should be unanimously
condemned with a united uncompromising voice."
Clearly, I would have thought that there was nothing pinning anything on
any ethnic group or any individuals. Saul however took this as an attack
on the Mandikas, The UDP group and Ousainou Darboe.
My position is that The Gambia does not belong to any ethnic group. The
constitution of The Gambia made it clear that every Gambian has a right
to be elected to any public office. Nowhere have I ever read that only
one group of people qualifies to be elected to a given office. Nowhere
have I read that tax money collected from the people is used based on
ethnic considerations. Under Jawara as under Jammeh Mandikas, Fulas,
Wollofs etc.; the vast majority of our people are either living in huts
or under terrible conditions, lacking the most basic necessities such as
health facilities, proper nutrition, clean water etc. Under Jawara as
well as under Jammeh Gambians are leaving the country to search for
greener pastures elsewhere because they see no prospects for a decent
life at home, again it is not only one ethnic group but all. Here in
Germany I have known many Gambians who took up indecent means to earn a
living; Mandinkas, Fulas, Wollofs, Sereres, Manjagos, Akus, you name it,
they are all here. In my heart I believe that given a better, more
dignified alternative they would not have left The Gambia in the first
place, not to talk of having to risk their lives and staining the image
of Gambians. What concerns me therefore is not who the greatest Gambian
opposition leader is, but rather how we can transform this situation
into one where all Gambians will be able to earn a dignified living in
The Gambia regardless of which language they speak to their parents and
extended family members; a Gambia which can boast of its great people.
What I would like to see is a Gambia where each will pride him/herself
of speaking as many Gambian languages as possible. Hence I stated: "Any
action by any group of people, be they a political grouping or not, be
they the party ruling the country or not, should be unanimously
condemned with a united uncompromising voice."
Ironically, Saul Kann stated "Given Gambia's high rate of illiteracy,
it's understandable that the majority of the people voted along ethnic
lines. On all sides. Over 90% of Jola people voted for Yaya Jammeh in
96...." Even "The most famous Mandingo in Gambian history", Dawda
Jawara, (quotes are mine) according to him, was reported to have
"expressed dismay at what he considered to be the rise of tribalism in
The Gambia and appealed for an end to it" as stated by Dr. Amadou Janneh
on his report about the Atlanta "reception" (see Jawara speaks (part
2)). Now, if this is the case, are we not all the more obliged to make
it clear to our people that what we all should look for are leaders who
have genuine interests in leading us all to peace, prosperity and
dignity. Should we not make it clear that there are Gambians from all
ethnic groups who contribute to the wealth of the nation? Should we not
tell our people who have been kept in the dark for so long that there
have been and are to this very day Gambians who grew up in different
ethnical set-ups and are contributing meaningfully to national
consciousness and awareness? Should we not emphasise the need to look
for substance rather than ethnicity when choosing our leaders?
On a final note, let us remember that today there are hardly Gambians
who can claim to have only relatives from one ethnic group. History has
brought us together in so many ways. My own grandmother is Wollof, but
she certainly spoke better Mandinka than many Mandikas. So let us drop
any chauvinism and promote awareness and tolerance. By the way, I am
half Aku half Wollof and my wife is half Mandinka and half Fula. So now
you know of at least one Aku/Wollof whose wife is Mandinka/Fula, though
I should quickly add that I'm not a big shot.
Alpha Robinson
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Alpha,
I subscribe to many of your proposals, but I have a problem w/ the ethnic
issue you're raising. First, what politicians were campaigning on ethnicity
in 1996? And more importantly, what ethnic group are they saying should/must
rule the Gambia? You need to identify these people, so we can condemn them
if what you're saying is true, instead of assuming that everyone knows who
these people are. I'm not trying to nit-pick, but there are many people like
yourself who are blindly spreading mis-information (at the very least,) for
various reasons. I say this for several reasons.
First, reading between the lines, I have no doubt that you're talking about
the UPD group which is predominantly Mandingo. I am not a big fan of
Ousainou Darbo's, but should this man desist from running for office only
b/c he is Mandingo? He is literally putting his life on the line by running
against a brutal dictatorship, but somehow, that's not enough. Maybe if
people like yourself had the guts to run, he won't have to do it. Besides,
if truth be told, the only opposition leader of substance in the history of
the Gambia (Sheriff Dibba,) is Mandingo. He was after Jawara till the very
last day of his rule. No one called him a tribalist then. So, it's fine for
a Mandinka speaking person to oppose his kin, but it's tribalist for a
Mandingo to oppose a non-Mandingo. Yaya Jammeh loves people like yourself
who fall for crap like this. He is using such sentiments very cunningly to
perpetuate his rule.
And let's look at the Mandingo man for just one minute. If he is well-to-do,
he has a non-Mandingo wife, his mother requires an interpreter to talk to
her grand children, and naturally, the man does more for his wife's people
than he does for his own brothers. I know of many first hand. I bet you do
too, unless if you prefer to put on blinders. My own wife's people are as
Banjulian as anyone can be. The most famous Mandingo in Gambian history (DK
Jawara) is a typical example. Jawara is more Aku than Mandingo in every
sense of the word. But that's not good enough, I guess. About three weeks
ago, I went to a christening ceremony in Silver Spring, MD and one of
Jawara's sons (Mustaf) came in. I was talking to his first cousins in
Mandingo at the time. Mustaf first confirmed w/ my wife the identity of the
guys I was talking to, then he proceeded to greet them in English b/c he
cannot a speak a word of Mandinka!
So, I get really pissed when people throw this tribalist crap out against
Mandingo people. Simply put, there are no MORE un-tribalist people in the
Gambia than Mandingos. Mandingo people are very conservative by nature.
Unlike several groups in the Gambia, the Mandingo believes in pulling
oneself thru' one's bootstraps. Taking short-cuts is not very Mandingo. ( I
don't know where you are, but in the US, I'm yet to see/hear of a Mandingo
in trouble for taking the easy way out by selling drugs or things like that.
Look at the Gambians getting killed, and inquire the reasons for their
death, and you may get the drift of what I'm saying.) Further, I don't know
of many Aku/Wollof big shots whose wives are of another ethnicity. Yet no
one calls them tribalist. You go to any Mandingo ceremony in the DC area,
and the entire affair is conducted in Wollof/English for the benefit of
everyone. I'm yet to witness one Aku/Wollof ceremony where the organizers
are sensitive to non Aku/Wollof speakers. No one calls them tribalist.
Jawara had more Mandingo ministers than any ethnic group especially at the
latter part of his rule - Fact. But the heads of most public institutions
were non-Mandingo: NTC, GPMB, GCDB. Think of Jawara's heads of the civil
service: Eric Christensen, Langley, Francis Mboge. Need I say more. I can
name you several Mandingo graduates in the late 60s and 70s who couldn't get
a job/the job they deserve when Jawara was at his prime. Yet, we continue to
hear this insinuations about Mandingo people. When is it going to stop!
If we are to move forward, we'll have to cut out the lies and hypocrisy. The
greatest thing Hitler has taught us is his dictum: "if you tell a big lie,
and tell it long enough, people are bound to believe you." These lies have
been labelled against Mandingo people for far too long - despite
over-whelming evidence to the contrary. Given Gambia's high rate of
illiteracy, it's understandable that the majority of the people vote along
ethnic lines. On all sides. Over 90% of Jola people voted for Yaya Jammeh in
'96. There is now a national (exclusively) Jola movt bent on backing Yaya at
all costs. But they are not tribalist! Are you going to tell Yaya Jammeh to
pass a law that would tell the Foni people to look at him objectively. Are
you going to tell him to scrap the national Jola movt? Look at the hell
Shingle Nyassi is catching for defying his people. Watch the horror video of
the torture of Mr Nyassi & co in 1997, and hear from his own mouth what Yaya
Jammeh's people are telling him about being a Jola supporting a Mandingo.
Where is your indignation at such a tribal tinder box?
This is not a mere defense of Mandingo people, it's a defense of the truth!
If we are to move forward, those of us w/ some education need to use our
senses and look at the entire picture objectively, instead of insinuating
that this or that politician is running on a tribal tkt. Ousainou is an
accomplished lawyer. He doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. Why can't
we look at his background and assess his potential as the HOS vis-a-vis his
opponents instead of reducing him to a power-hungry tribalist! His ethnicity
won't be an issue if he were opposing another Mandingo. It shouldn't be an
issue now. And it's a shame for people like yourself to fuel this tribal
nonsense, whose only benefactor has been Yaya Jammeh. He keeps suggesting to
people like yourself that "small" tribes in the Gambia need to band together
to prevent a particular tribe from coming to power. This "conspiracy theory"
is costing many Mandingo professionals their jobs in the Gambia. Somehow, if
you're non-Mandingo, you're qualified to oppose Yaya Jammeh in good faith.
But if you are, then the only reason is that, you want to see another
Mandingo (even a nominal one like Jawara) in State House. What nonsense!
What hypocrisy! In any case, you for one, has swallowed this anti-Mandingo
BS hook, line and sinker!
Saul
>From: alpha <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Some proposals for Gambia-L
>Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:57:41 +0100
>
>Dear Gambia-L members,
>
>The proposals I am about to put forward have been in my mind for some
>time now. Privately I have discussed them with some members of the List
>and yet I had not come forth with it until now. The main reason behind
>the long hesitation is my resolve not to start anything which I cannot
>give full attention, time and energy to. I thought that once put forward
>the ideas will be embraced by at least some list members, leaving me
>with the option to either let it float around for some time and perhaps
>eventually sink into oblivion or to inject life into it and transform it
>into action. Even though I still do not feel ready for it, I am
>encouraged by recent discussions under the heading "It is time to Heal
>Self and Nation" to such an extent that I feel compelled to shared these
>thoughts with you.
>
>The driving force behind these proposals is first and foremost the
>desire to move beyond simply discussing, to a new stage of action;
>action which will realistically transform the essence of our concerns as
>reflected in our discussions from exchanges on the List to some form of
>collective action. I will illustrate the kind of action I am referring
>to later. Before doing so let me first start by identifying some common
>ground from which I believe common action can be launched. I will try to
>keep the list modest in an attempt not to draw up over-ambitious plans
>which will collect dust in the annals of Gambia-L archives. I am sure
>others will come up with realistic proposals too.
>
>As already observed by other List members, it would appear that many of
>us on the List, if not all, do share a common aspiration of a better
>Gambia. What a better Gambia means to each and everyone and how to
>achieve it may be different, but I believe we will all agree that if the
>People of the Gambia can freely decide who should rule the country
>without fear or uninformed hopes of gaining a few colanuts, in the
>interest of the country and further reserve the right to remove leaders
>who do not act in their interest, a good beginning would have been set
>for the country. This is therefore one area in which we can agree,
>despite our various believes, orientations and loyalties, and launch
>some common action.
>
>Another area where we can certainly find common ground is on national
>unity. The days before the last elections in 1994 were unfortunately
>characterised by dangerous ethnic political propaganda. It is no secret
>that some politicians tried to use their ethnic origin to muster support
>by propagating the idea that Gambia must be ruled by this or that ethnic
>group. Recent events have shown that this ugly demon is still with us.
>Ethnic politics as we know, looking back at experiences from Liberia,
>Sierra Leone, Burundi etc. can benefit no one. It amounts to a group of
>very unscrupulous people using the ignorance of the people to secure
>their own selfish interest only to run away and seek refuge when thing
>get out of control and especially when their own lives are threatened;
>indeed they run, scream and crawl to ask for pardon after bringing ruin
>to their own people including those from the same ethnic group. So here
>too we can identify a common ground. Any action by any group of people,
>be they a political grouping or not, be they the party ruling the
>country or not, should be unanimously condemned with a united
>uncompromising voice.
>
>Many members in this list are living abroad. As such we are subjected to
>certain common problems whose redress can only be enhanced by common
>action. For example, sometime ago the question of double citizenship was
>discussed in this forum. Some people it would appear were forced to
>abandon their Gambian citizenship not because their country of residence
>prohibits dual citizenship but rather because of some uncertainties on
>the Gambian side. Hence these people are forced to become foreigners in
>their country of origin when we all know that most Gambians abroad are
>proud of their Gambian heritage, but are sometimes forced by
>circumstances to seek the nationality of their country of residence as a
>matter of convenience.
>
>The behaviour of the Swedish police in Stockholm, whose chief for the
>Stockholm area officially criminalised all Gambians and threatened to
>take draconian action against all Gambians is another example. Whereas
>this case was in a way extreme, it is common knowledge that Gambians and
>Africans in general are vulnerable to such forms of institutional
>discrimination. Together we can at least take common action to condemn
>such acts and request those ruling the Gambia at that particular time to
>officially condemn such acts. In both of these cases one can easily find
>common ground for action in the interest of Gambians living abroad.
>
>As Gambians living abroad we can also think of ways in which we can make
>positive contributions to the situation at home. In fact some work is
>already going on in this area, for example, GESO and the Book Project.
>But perhaps we can also contribute to emergency relief in times of
>tragedy or disaster. The recent floods were a typical case where our
>contribution could have made a great difference for a number of affected
>people. A Relief funds could have been established to complement the
>efforts of other citizens and institutions who took up the task of
>organising relief work.
>
>Also, those who, by virtue of their qualifications, are in one way or
>the other able to offer their services to the country may think of
>forming expert groups to give advice and even participate directly in
>ongoing activities in their field of expertise. Such an act will under
>certain circumstances constitute a contribution to the betterment of the
>lives of the Gambian people. The so formed expert groups can get in
>touch with the ministries or institutions responsible for services in
>their fields and intervene positively where possible.
>
>Having highlighted some common grounds for common action I would now
>like to proceed to the question of who do we try to reach and what type
>of action may be considered. First of all The Gambia has its democratic
>institutions. By that I mean institutions which though imperfect, have
>been established either by our constitution or on its basis. To me
>therefore it is not only the Government of the day which should be
>addressed. Secondly, whether our democratic institutions are strong or
>weak, whether people in charge of running the affairs of the country do
>so satisfactorily or not is largely dependent on the level of awareness
>and involvement of the ordinary people in defending what is in their
>interest. Consequently it is my believe that we should enter into
>dialogue with institutions of Government, democratic institutions and
>last but most the Gambian people. But how?
>
>This brings us to the question of what action to consider. As far as
>contributing to disaster relief and in terms of knowledge I have already
>mentioned forming a relief fund and experts groups. In this regard, we
>can learn from the experiences of GESO. As far as offering our expertise
>is concerned, those who are qualified in their fields can even act as
>consultants. Rather than enriching other experts from elsewhere, The
>Gambia can even gain by offering fellow Gambians who are well qualified
>in their fields the chance to contribute and thereby divert at least
>part of the earnings into the home economy. Of course those with
>expertise to offer must clear for themselves all conflicts of interests
>concerning their present positions.
>
>As far as institutions are concerned, we may do well remembering that
>only the Gambian people can really bring about ultimate change by voting
>into office people who can manage the affairs of the country
>satisfactorily. The best way we can contribute to make those
>institutions effective, from a common stand as Gambia-L, is to try to
>identify some of the wrongs, shortcomings and mismanagement and propose
>ways to rectify these. But first we need to identify key institutions to
>address. The first one to come in mind is the executive. The president
>of The Gambia being the head of the executive will necessarily be one
>person we should address some of our concerns. Parliament is another
>institution to address our concerns to. The bar association and the
>ministry of justice are potential addressees of some concerns on the
>question of justice and human rights issues. The Independent Electoral
>Commission (IEC) should hear our concerns and proposals concerning a
>fair electoral system. Political parties should hear from us what kind
>of conduct we expect from them. Finally, through the media we should
>establish a forum to let our views known and exchange opinions with our
>fellow Gambians on the ground, who for one reason or the other are not
>members of
>Gambia-L.
>
>Let me give some examples. As said earlier, anything which promotes
>fairness in the electoral system and hence making it possible for
>Gambians to elect and if unsatisfied remove from office those who they
>so wish to, without fear will be a gain for all. As elections are due in
>about two years time, we can petition the IEC, members of parliament and
>the head of state to reduce the incredible deposit of five thousand
>Dalasis to be paid by election candidates. This will allow honest
>candidates who do not have wealth to display but sincere service to
>offer to the nation to contest elections. We can also petition all
>political parties and challenge parliamentarians to make laws to
>prohibit campaign based on ethnic origin. We can also petition the head
>of state and the IEC and challenge parliamentarians to make laws
>allowing all contending parties equal air time on radio and television.
>
>On the question of double citizenship for example, we can write to the
>head of state asking for clarification on the matter. At the same time,
>we can challenge parliamentarians to pass laws stating clearly that
>Gambians can have double citizenship under reasonable conditions.
>
>We can make our views known on the question of the increasingly
>difficult conditions which have to be met to register newspapers, on the
>kidnappings of the likes of Shyngle Nyassi etc. etc. should they recur.
>
>As far as the media is concerned, we have at least FOROYAA and GRTS
>through Tombong Saidy on board. I believe we can genuinely expect them
>to offer coverage to our views and concerns and if possible relay to us
>some of the views expressed by others outside of the list either in
>reaction to our actions or simply adding to the exchanges of views,
>which will only enrich the discussions.
>
>I have tried to restrict myself to common-ground issues, which can
>easily be accepted by most people irrespective of loyalties,
>affiliations etc. However, there will always be list members who may
>object to this or that case. This brings us to a question which was
>raised today; who is being referred to as we? As far as I am concerned
>"we" is being used to reflect the desire for collective action in the
>first place. Collective action will be the new stage I am advocating,
>just like others on the list. Yet we must be very clear on the fact that
>there will always be some who would not like to associate themselves
>with certain actions. We have to respect that. "We" should therefore be
>simply restricted to the signatories to any given document generated
>through collective action. It must be made clear that not everyone on
>the List endorses every collective action. On the other hand, we should
>take note of the fact that the more we try to be reasonable the more
>people we will have on the side of collective action and, yes, the more
>effective our common voice will be. This calls for responsibility and
>maturity on our side. After all everybody is free to express any view on
>the List as long as nobody is thereby insulted. Likewise anyone who
>wishes to go further can certainly look for other avenues to achieve
>their goals.
>
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>questions.
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Jabou,
You bet! No one will be out-of-bounds! One way or another, we'll root out
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><< I must say that I am enjoying the
> new wave of public discourse that is developing. We will now see which
> political figures in The Gambia are transparent or otherwise. All
>political
> figures should be subjected to the scrutiny you have started.
>
> Sheikh. >>
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>Yes Saul, well said. l think that to be perfectly fair, and to show that we
>have no personal agendas or hidden biases, we should also bring to light
>all
>the political parties/figures in trems of their actions, not only during
>the
>transition period, but during the Jawara era as well as now. Afterall, this
>is a new wave of political consciousness for the Gambian people, and how
>else can we make the right choices if all our politicians are not put up to
>public scrutiny equally.After this, l say let us invite the likes of
>Ousainou Darboe and other political party leaders to come forward and tell
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Basil,
My mailing address is P.O.Box 4429, Bakau, The Gambia.
Thanks . Chi Jamma . Bro Tejan.
B.M.Jones wrote:
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> Send me your mailing address and you will surely get a hard
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> > Basil,
> > I always enjoy reading your interesting analysis. Keep it
> up. I have tried to access this > document but find it
> difficult to get through . Any help ? Regards . Bro Tejan.
> > > B.M.Jones wrote:
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > > > I came across a paper on the evolution of the
> Gambian > > economy and it provides a very concise summary
> of the > > economic performance from 1964-1998. The first
> 13 pages is > > is easy to read, thereafter it becomes a
> little bit > > technical. The evolution of the economy is
> divided into > > four phases of real significance 1964-78,
> 1979-86,1987-94, > > 1995-98. Easy comparisons can be made.
> The paper can be > > downloaded from:
> > > http://www.imf.org/external/country/GMB/index.htm > >
> and search under publications for a paper by Christian > >
> Beddies (August 1999). > >
> > > To Ndey, Jabou, Awa and the other sisters, I consider >
> > myself to be liberal and believe in equality and > >
> appreciate your contributions to the L. Keep the postings >
> > coming. > >
> > > Basil > > ---------------
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Alpha,
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Greetings Gambia-l:
I find this very interesting, and I thought it might be of interest to
some of you who haven't had the chance to listen to GRTS audio news
on-line.
According to GRTS news, on Friday, November 26, 1999, the APRC (Alliance
for Patriotic Re-orientation and Construction), convened an
"extraordinary National Congress" at the Brikama College, in Brikama
town. During the ... National Congress, His Excellency, Retired Colonel
Alhaji Doctor Yayha Abdul Aziz Jemus Junkung Jammeh (wow!), warned that
any civil servant implicated in the Auditor General's Report, for
corruption, would be dealt with, severely, and I quote the president,
verbatim (on a pre-recorded GRTS audio news on RealAudio): "If you call
yourself a party militant, a party supporter, and a supporter of the
APRC government, you must live by the ideas and the principles of the
APRC. You must be honest; you must devout your life to the interest of
this country, to make sure that we safeguard the interest of the
ordinary masses of the country, and to make sure that the country moves
forward. Any deviation from that, 'whether even if' you live in a green
house; you sleep on a green bed; you wear green; you drive a green car,
any day I get a hold of you, because of the fact that you are corrupt, I
will deal with you as if are yellow, or red or blue!"
(There was some applause and laughter in the audience)
The president continues: "What I want to assure the party here is that
Yahya Jammeh is not the person who will condone corruption. The National
Assembly is debating on it. Whenever they are ready, I can assure you
that we are going to recover every butut that has been taken away. We
came to power to fight corruption. Be it PPP or APRC, corruption is
corruption. And those who are implicated, be ready for me, because I
will deal with you in such a way that the 'whole world will cry!'"
(There was some applause and laughter in the audience)
Gambian-l, what is your opinion on the president's 'tough talk on
corruption?' In your opinion, what should the government do to
eradicate—or shall I say, at least minimize the level of the
alleged—corruption?
I commend the president for openly speaking tough/against corruption.
However, there are some serious issues—like the alleged Human Rights
abuses; the ... nocturnal extrajudicial kidnappings, to name a few—that
need to be addressed. I therefore ask: what is the government doing to
address those serious issues?
Thank you for your time.
Lamin Camara.
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Greetings Gambia-l<b>:</b>
<p>I find this very interesting, and I thought it might be of interest
to some of you who haven't had the chance to listen to GRTS audio news
on-line.
<p>According to GRTS news, on Friday, November 26, 1999, the APRC (<b>A</b>lliance
for <b>P</b>atriotic <b>R</b>e-orientation and <b>C</b>onstruction), convened
an "extraordinary National Congress" at the Brikama College, in Brikama
town. During the ... National Congress, <b>H</b>is <b>E</b>xcellency, <b>R</b>etired
<b>C</b>olonel <b>A</b>lhaji <b>D</b>octor <b>Y</b>ayha <b>A</b>bdul <b>A</b>ziz
<b>J</b>emus <b>J</b>unkung <b>J</b>ammeh (wow!), warned that any civil
servant implicated in the Auditor General's Report, for corruption, would
be dealt with, severely, and I quote the president, verbatim (on a pre-recorded
GRTS audio news on RealAudio)<b>: </b>"<b>If you call yourself a party
militant, a party supporter, and a supporter of the APRC government, you
must live by the ideas and the principles of the APRC. You must be honest;
you must devout your life to the interest of this country, to make sure
that we safeguard the interest of the ordinary masses of the country, and
to make sure that the country moves forward. Any deviation from that, 'whether
even if' you live in a green house; you sleep on a green bed; you wear
green; you drive a green car, any day I get a hold of you, because of the
fact that you are corrupt, I will deal with you as if are yellow, or red
or blue!"</b><b></b>
<p>(There was some applause and laughter in the audience)
<p>The president continues<b>: "What I want to assure the party here is
that Yahya Jammeh is not the person who will condone corruption. The National
Assembly is debating on it. Whenever they are ready, I can assure you that
we are going to recover every butut that has been taken away. We came to
power to fight corruption. Be it PPP or APRC, corruption is corruption.
And those who are implicated, be ready for me, because I will deal with
you in such a way that the 'whole world will cry!'" </b>(There was some
applause and laughter in the audience) <b></b>
<p>Gambian-l, what is your opinion on the president's 'tough talk on corruption?'
In your opinion, what should the government do to eradicate—or shall I
say, at least minimize the level of the alleged—corruption?<b></b>
<p>I commend the president for openly speaking tough/against corruption.
However, there are some serious issues—like the alleged Human Rights abuses;
the ... nocturnal extrajudicial kidnappings, to name a few—that need to
be addressed. I therefore ask<b>:</b> what is the government doing to address
those serious issues?
<br>
<br>Thank you for your time.
<p>Lamin Camara.
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Hi Dr. Saidy
Congratulations and God bless you. We are all trying to get there one day.
This is a wonderful achievement and we are all proud of you guys. I hope we
have many more to follow suit. I know very soon, hopefully by the turn of the
century we will see another Ph.D. holder added to the few. May the Almighty
guide you in your career? Amen.
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Mr. Camara,
Thanks for posting that piece to the L. I commend of course as pessimistic I
might be called, with a lot of reservations that President Jammeh is talking
about the recent Auditor General's report. Following the dismantling of his
own built protective security; The July 22nd Movement, it will be unfair to
say that this is not a positive development in Gambian history. Certainly
history cannot come back as it always repeats itself. And also I might be too
young to remember, but I am not aware of any time in Gambia when the
government has publicly given such an Auditor General's report.
However, the question now is who is corrupt? Who are the criminals here? One
thing certain, the Gambians are the victims as always. Since the Sanna Manneh
case when Jawara said the "Whoever was found guilty in the courts was going
to face the music," only time will tell us that this is not the same. Today
is November 28th. and Jammeh has given himself a date line, Jan. 1 2000.
Looking at the corruption crime in the Gambia, politicians then and now the
military living flamboyantly whiles the masses struggle in search of enough
food and adequate shelter, the criminals here is the government. I am not
surprised that Auditor generals report did not criticize the legal robbing of
public funds by the military. If I am right, it did not even report to us the
expensive trips Jammeh has been unnecessarily making to abroad.
The current Gambian economic problems might be beyond only corruption. It is
arguably the lack of prioritizing of funds. A mere family unit continuos to
struggle for their daily bread, continuos to be eroded due to the economic
difficulties, it must take Jammeh a 'Dare I do not' to even publicly talk
about corruption.
How long or how soon shall we see a turn around, only time will tell. Whether
it is a sign of changes coming and a form of commitment, time will tell. I
have no doubt that Jammeh is realizing that the Gambian might be known for
his/her extreme patience hence it took Jawara over 30 years to know it, but
unless Jammeh or anybody else as a matter of fact fails to realize that we
cannot do anything without our people, we are bound to failure. Sooner or
later, the people will rise and rise high and recapture all that they have
been denied from. I hope this is what Jammeh is seeing. It is not a matter of
only reality, but a must. It is a precondition as much a prerequisite to
survival and again, I hope this is what he is seeing.
Ousman Bojang.
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President Joof sent an envoy to meet Jammeh in kanilai over the weekend, and
the rumors reaching me is that former Gambian army sr. officer, Sheriff Sam
sarr has written a report to the Senegalese government that Jammeh is involve
in selling arms to the Cassamance rebels.
I am just curious to know. I understand that Mr. Sarr is at the moment in New
York. If there is anyone who could contact him and verify this, it will be
appreciated. I hope there is no truth to this. It reminds me of the
Senegal/Guinea Bissau case. May God bless the Gambia.
Ousman Bojang.
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Subject: The Prophet's Prayer (sallalaahu alayhi wasallam)- Part-7
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Assalaamu alaikum,
Alhamdulillah and below is a continuation of the salaah series from =
Sheickh al-Albaani's excellent text (may Allah have mercy on him).
The Sujood (Prostration)=20
Next, "he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would say takbeer and go down =
into sajdah"78, and he ordered "the one who prayed badly" to do so, =
saying to him, No one's prayer is complete unless ... he says: Allaah =
listens to the one who praises Him and stands up straight, then says: =
Allaah is the Greatest and prostrates such that his joints are at =
rest.79=20
Also, "when he wanted to perform sajdah, he would say takbeer, [separate =
his hands from his sides,] and then perform sajdah."80=20
Sometimes, "he would raise his hands when performing sajdah."81=20
Going Down into the Sajdah on the Hands=20
"He used to place his hands on the ground before his knees."82=20
He used to instruct likewise, saying, When one of you performs sajdah, =
he should not kneel like a camel, but should place his hands before his =
knees.83=20
He also used to say, Verily, the hands prostrate as the face prostrates, =
so when one of you places his face (on the ground), he should place his =
hands, and when he raises it, he should raise them.84=20
The Sajdah Described=20
"He would support himself on his palms [and spread them]"85, "put his =
fingers together"86, and "point them towards the qiblah."87=20
Also, "he would put them (his palms) level with his shoulders"88, and =
sometimes "level with his ears"89. "He would put his nose and forehead =
firmly on the ground."90=20
He said to "the one who prayed badly", When you prostrate, then be firm =
in your prostration91; in one narration: When you prostrate, put your =
face and hands down firmly, until all of your bones are relaxed in their =
proper places.92=20
He also used to say, "There is no prayer for the one whose nose does not =
feel as much of the ground as the forehead."93=20
"He used to put his knees and toes down firmly"94, "point with the front =
of the toes towards the qiblah"95, "put his heels together"96, "keep his =
feet upright"97, and "ordered likewise."98=20
Hence, these are the seven limbs on which he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa =
sallam) would prostrate: the palms, the knees, the feet, and the =
forehead and nose - counting the last two as one limb in prostration, as =
he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said: I have been ordered to =
prostrate (in one narration: we have been ordered to prostrate) on seven =
bones: on the forehead ..., and he indicated by moving his hand99 around =
his nose, the hands (in one version: the palms), the knees and the toes, =
and not to tuck up100 the garments and hair.101=20
He also used to say, When a slave prostrates, seven limbs prostrate with =
him: his face, his palms, his knees and his feet.102=20
He said about a man who was praying with his hair tied103 behind him, =
His example is surely like that of someone who prays with his hands =
bound (behind his back).104 He also said, That is the saddle of the =
devil, i.e. where the devil sits, referring to the knots in the hair.105 =
"He would not rest his fore-arms on the ground"106, but "would raise =
them above the ground, and keep them away from his sides such that the =
whiteness of his armpits could be seen from behind"107, and also "such =
that if a small lamb or kid wanted to pass under his arms, it would have =
been able to do so."108=20
He would do this to such an extent that one of his Companions said, "We =
used to feel sorry for the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa =
sallam) because of the way he kept his hands away from his sides."109=20
He used to order likewise, saying, When you perform sajdah, place your =
palms (on the ground) and raise your elbows110, and Be level in sujood, =
and none of you should spread his fore- arms like the spreading of a dog =
(in one narration: like a dog spreads them)111. In a separate hadeeth, =
None of you should rest arms on the ground the way a dog rests them.112=20
He also used to say, Do not spread your arms [the way a beast of prey =
does], rest on your palms and keep your upper arms apart, for when you =
do all that, every one of your limbs prostrates with you.113=20
The Obligation to be at Ease in Sujood=20
He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to command the completion of =
rukoo' and sujood, comparing someone not doing so to the hungry man who =
eats one or two dates, which are of no use to him, and also saying about =
him, he is indeed one of the worst thieves among the people.=20
He also ruled that the prayer of one who does not straighten his spine =
fully in rukoo' and sujood is invalid, as has been mentioned under =
"Rukoo'", and ordered "the one who prayed badly" to be at ease in his =
sujood, as mentioned before.=20
The Adhkaar of Sujood=20
He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would say any one of the following =
remembrances of Allaah and supplications in this posture:
1..=20
Subhaana Rabiyal =
a'laa
How Perfect is my Lord, the Most High, three times.114
Sometimes, "he would repeat it more times than that."115=20
Once, he repeated it so much that his sujood were nearly as long as =
his standing, in which he had recited three of the Long Soorahs: =
al-Baqarah, an-Nisaa' and aal-'Imraan. That prayer was full of =
supplication and seeking of forgiveness, as mentioned before under =
"Night Prayer".
2..=20
Subhaana Rabiyal a'laa wa =
bihamdihi
How Perfect is my Lord, the Most High, and Praised be He, three =
times.116
3..=20
Subbuhun Quddusun Rabbul Mala ikatu wa Ruh
Perfect, Blessed, Lord of the Angels and the Spirit.117
4..=20
Subhaanaka Allahumma Rabbana wa bihamdika Allahummaghfirli
How perfect You are O Allaah, our Lord, and Praised. O Allaah! Forgive =
me, which he would say often in his rukoo' and sujood, implementing the =
order of the Qur'aan.118
5..=20
Allahumma laka sajadtu wa bika aamantu wa laka aslamtu wa anta rabbi =
sajada wajhee lilladhee khalaqahu wasawwarahu fa ahsana suwarahu wa =
shaqqa sam'ahu awa basarahu. Fa tabarakallahu ahsanul khaliqeen.
O Allaah! For you I have prostrated; in You I have believed; to You I =
have submitted; [You are my Lord;] my face has prostrated for the One =
Who created it and shaped it , [shaped it excellently,] then brought =
forth its hearing and vision: [so] blessed be Allaah, the Best to =
Create!119
6..=20
Allahummaghfirli dhanbi, kullahu wadiqahu wa jillahu wa awwallahu wa =
aakhirahu wa alaniyatahu wa sirrah
O Allaah! Forgive me all my sins: the minor and the major, the first =
and the last, the open and the hidden.120
7..=20
Sajada laka sawaadi wa khayali wa aamana bika fu aadi abu' bine'matika =
alaya. Hadha yadayya wa ma janaytu ala nafsee.
My person and my shadow have prostrated to You; my heart has believed =
in You; I acknowledge Your favours towards me: here are my hands and =
whatever I have earned against myself.121
8..=20
Subhana dhil jabaruti wal malakuti wal kibriya 'i wal adhamah
How Perfect is He Who has all Power, Kingdom, Magnificence and =
Supremity122, which he would say in night prayer, as with the following =
ones:
9..=20
Subhaanaka Allahumma wa bihamdika La ilaha illa ant.
How perfect You are [O Allaah] and Praised. None has the right to be =
worshipped except you.123
10..=20
Allahummaghfirli ma asrartu wa ma a'lantu
O Allaah! Forgive me what (sins) I have concealed and what (sins) I =
have done openly.124
11..=20
Allahummaj al fee qalbee nuura wa fee lisaani nuura waj al fee sam'ee =
nuura wa fee basaree nuura waj al mintahtee nuura waj al minfawqee nuura =
wa an yameeni nuura wa an yasaaree nuura waj al amaami nuura waj al =
khalfi nuura waj al fee nafsi nuura wa'dham lee nuura.
O Allaah! Place light in my heart; [and light in my tongue;] and place =
light in my hearing; and place light in my seeing; and place light from =
below me; and place light from above me, and light on my right, and =
light on my left; and place light ahead of me; and place light behind =
me; [and place light in my self;] and make the light greater for me.125
12..=20
Allahumma innee a'uthubika bi ridhaaka min sakhatika wa a'uthu bi mu' =
aafatika min uqubatika wa a'uthubika minka. Uhsee thana a alaika, anta =
kama athnayta ala nafsika
[O Allaah!] [Indeed] I seek refuge with Your Pleasure from Your Anger; =
[I seek refuge] with Your Pardons from Your Punishment; I seek refuge =
with You from You. I cannot count all exultations upon You; You are as =
You have extolled Yourself.126
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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<H1><FONT size=3D4>Assalaamu alaikum,</FONT></H1>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Alhamdulillah and below is a continuation of the =
salaah series=20
from Sheickh al-Albaani's excellent text (may Allah have mercy on=20
him).</FONT></DIV>
<H1><FONT size=3D4><A name=3DRTFToC1>The Sujood (Prostration) =
</A></FONT></H1>Next,=20
"he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would say takbeer and go down into =
sajdah"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn77"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>78</FONT></SUP></A>, and he ordered "the one who prayed badly" =
to do so,=20
saying to him, <B>No one's prayer is complete unless ... he says: Allaah =
listens=20
to the one who praises Him and stands up straight, then says: Allaah is =
the=20
Greatest and prostrates such that his joints are at rest.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn78"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>79</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Also, "when he wanted to perform sajdah, he would say takbeer, =
[separate his=20
hands from his sides,] and then perform sajdah."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn79"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>80</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Sometimes, "he would raise his hands when performing sajdah."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn80"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>81</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR></P><BR>
<CENTER>
<H2><FONT size=3D4><A name=3DRTFToC2>Going Down into the Sajdah on the =
Hands=20
</A></FONT></H2></CENTER>"He used to place his hands on the ground =
before his=20
knees."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn81"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>82</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He used to instruct likewise, saying, When one of you performs =
sajdah, he=20
should not kneel like a camel, but should place his hands before his =
knees.<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn82"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>83</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He also used to say, <B>Verily, the hands prostrate as the face =
prostrates,=20
so when one of you places his face (on the ground), he should place his =
hands,=20
and when he raises it, he should raise them.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn83"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>84</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR></P><BR>
<CENTER>
<H2><FONT size=3D4><A name=3DRTFToC3>The Sajdah Described=20
</A></FONT></H2></CENTER>"He would support himself on his palms [and =
spread=20
them]"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn84"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>85</FONT></SUP></A>, "put his fingers together"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn85"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>86</FONT></SUP></A>, and "point them towards the qiblah."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn86"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>87</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Also, "he would put them (his palms) level with his shoulders"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn87"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>88</FONT></SUP></A>, and sometimes "level with his ears"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn88"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>89</FONT></SUP></A>. "He would put his nose and forehead =
firmly on the=20
ground."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn89"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>90</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He said to "the one who prayed badly", <B>When you prostrate, then be =
firm in=20
your prostration</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn90"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>91</FONT></SUP></A>; in one narration: <B>When you prostrate, =
put your=20
face and hands down firmly, until all of your bones are relaxed in their =
proper=20
places.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn91"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>92</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He also used to say, "<B>There is no prayer for the one whose nose =
does not=20
feel as much of the ground as the forehead.</B>"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn92"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>93</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>"He used to put his knees and toes down firmly"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn93"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>94</FONT></SUP></A>, "point with the front of the toes towards =
the=20
qiblah"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn94"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>95</FONT></SUP></A>, "put his heels together"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn95"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>96</FONT></SUP></A>, "keep his feet upright"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn96"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>97</FONT></SUP></A>, and "ordered likewise."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn97"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>98</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>Hence, these are the seven limbs on which he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa =
sallam)=20
would prostrate: the palms, the knees, the feet, and the forehead and =
nose -=20
counting the last two as one limb in prostration, as he (sallallaahu =
'alaihi wa=20
sallam) said: <B>I have been ordered to prostrate (in one narration: we =
have=20
been ordered to prostrate) on seven bones: on the forehead ..., </B>and =
he=20
indicated by moving his hand<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn98"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>99</FONT></SUP></A> around his nose, <B>the hands </B>(in one =
version:=20
<B>the palms</B>)<B>, the knees and the toes, and not to tuck up</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn99"><SUP=
><FONT=20
size=3D-2>100</FONT></SUP></A><B> the garments and hair.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn100"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>101</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He also used to say, <B>When a slave prostrates, seven limbs =
prostrate with=20
him: his face, his palms, his knees and his feet.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn101"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>102</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He said about a man who was praying with his hair tied<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn102"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>103</FONT></SUP></A> behind him, <B>His example is surely like =
that of=20
someone who prays with his hands bound (behind his back).</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn103"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>104</FONT></SUP></A> He also said, <B>That is the saddle of =
the devil,=20
</B>i.e. where the devil sits, referring to the knots in the hair.<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn104"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>105</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>"He would not rest his fore-arms on the ground"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn105"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>106</FONT></SUP></A>, but "would raise them above the ground, =
and keep=20
them away from his sides such that the whiteness of his armpits could be =
seen=20
from behind"<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn106"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>107</FONT></SUP></A>, and also "such that if a small lamb or =
kid wanted=20
to pass under his arms, it would have been able to do so."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn107"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>108</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He would do this to such an extent that one of his Companions said, =
"We used=20
to feel sorry for the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa =
sallam)=20
because of the way he kept his hands away from his sides."<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn108"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>109</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He used to order likewise, saying, <B>When you perform sajdah, place =
your=20
palms (on the ground) and raise your elbows</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn109"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>110</FONT></SUP></A>, and <B>Be level in sujood, and none of =
you should=20
spread his fore- arms like the spreading of a dog </B>(in one narration: =
<B>like=20
a dog spreads them</B>)<A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn110"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>111</FONT></SUP></A>. In a separate hadeeth, <B>None of you =
should rest=20
arms on the ground the way a dog rests them.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn111"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>112</FONT></SUP></A>=20
<P>He also used to say, <B>Do not spread your arms [the way a beast of =
prey=20
does], rest on your palms and keep your upper arms apart, for when you =
do all=20
that, every one of your limbs prostrates with you.</B><A=20
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn112"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>113</FONT></SUP></A> <BR><BR></P><BR>
<CENTER>
<H2><FONT size=3D4><A name=3DRTFToC4>The Obligation to be at Ease in =
Sujood=20
</A></FONT></H2></CENTER>He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to =
command the=20
completion of rukoo' and sujood, comparing someone not doing so to the =
hungry=20
man who eats one or two dates, which are of no use to him, and also =
saying about=20
him, <B>he is indeed one of the worst thieves among the people.</B>=20
<P>He also ruled that the prayer of one who does not straighten his =
spine fully=20
in rukoo' and sujood is invalid, as has been mentioned under "Rukoo'", =
and=20
ordered "the one who prayed badly" to be at ease in his sujood, as =
mentioned=20
before. <BR><BR></P><BR>
<CENTER>
<H2><FONT size=3D4><A name=3DRTFToC5>The Adhkaar of Sujood=20
</A></FONT></H2></CENTER>He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would say =
any one of=20
the following remembrances of Allaah and supplications in this =
posture:<BR>
<OL>
<LI><B><BR></B>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/551.gif"></CENTER><FONT=20
=
size=3D4> &nbs=
p;  =
; =
&=
nbsp; =20
Subhaana Rabiyal a'laa</FONT><BR><B>How Perfect is my Lord, the Most =
High,</B>=20
three times.<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn113"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>114</FONT></SUP></A><BR>Sometimes, "he would repeat it more =
times than=20
that."<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn114"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>115</FONT></SUP></A> <BR>Once, he repeated it so much that =
his sujood=20
were nearly as long as his standing, in which he had recited three of =
the Long=20
Soorahs: al-Baqarah, an-Nisaa' and aal-'Imraan. That prayer was full =
of=20
supplication and seeking of forgiveness, as mentioned before under =
"Night=20
Prayer".<BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/552.gif"></CENTER><FONT=20
=
size=3D4> &nbs=
p;  =
; =
=20
Subhaana Rabiyal a'laa wa bihamdihi</FONT><BR><B>How Perfect is my =
Lord, the=20
Most High, and Praised be He</B>, three times.<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn115"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>116</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/561.gif"></CENTER><FONT =
size=3D4>Subbuhun=20
Quddusun Rabbul Mala ikatu wa Ruh</FONT><BR><B>Perfect, Blessed, Lord =
of the=20
Angels and the Spirit.</B><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn116"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>117</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/562.gif"></CENTER><FONT =
size=3D4>Subhaanaka=20
Allahumma Rabbana wa bihamdika Allahummaghfirli</FONT><BR><B>How =
perfect You=20
are O Allaah, our Lord, and Praised. O Allaah! Forgive me,</B> which =
he would=20
say often in his rukoo' and sujood, implementing the order of the =
Qur'aan.<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn117"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>118</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/563.gif"></CENTER><FONT =
size=3D4>Allahumma=20
laka sajadtu wa bika aamantu wa laka aslamtu wa anta rabbi sajada =
wajhee=20
lilladhee khalaqahu wasawwarahu fa ahsana suwarahu wa shaqqa sam'ahu =
awa=20
basarahu. Fa tabarakallahu ahsanul khaliqeen.</FONT><BR><B>O Allaah! =
For you I=20
have prostrated; in You I have believed; to You I have submitted; [You =
are my=20
Lord;] my face has prostrated for the One Who created it and shaped it =
,=20
[shaped it excellently,] then brought forth its hearing and vision: =
[so]=20
blessed be Allaah, the Best to Create!</B><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn118"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>119</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/564.gif"></CENTER><FONT=20
size=3D4>Allahummaghfirli dhanbi, kullahu wadiqahu wa jillahu wa =
awwallahu wa=20
aakhirahu wa alaniyatahu wa sirrah</FONT><BR><B>O Allaah! Forgive me =
all my=20
sins: the minor and the major, the first and the last, the open and =
the=20
hidden.</B><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn119"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>120</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/565.gif"></CENTER><FONT =
size=3D4>Sajada=20
laka sawaadi wa khayali wa aamana bika fu aadi abu' bine'matika alaya. =
Hadha=20
yadayya wa ma janaytu ala nafsee.</FONT><BR><B>My person and my shadow =
have=20
prostrated to You; my heart has believed in You; I acknowledge Your =
favours=20
towards me: here are my hands and whatever I have earned against =
myself.</B><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn120"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>121</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/566.gif"></CENTER><FONT =
size=3D4>Subhana=20
dhil jabaruti wal malakuti wal kibriya 'i wal adhamah</FONT><BR><B>How =
Perfect=20
is He Who has all Power, Kingdom, Magnificence and Supremity</B><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn121"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>122</FONT></SUP></A>, which he would say in night prayer, as =
with the=20
following ones:<BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/571.gif"></CENTER><FONT =
size=3D4>Subhaanaka=20
Allahumma wa bihamdika La ilaha illa ant.</FONT><BR><B>How perfect You =
are [O=20
Allaah] and Praised. None has the right to be worshipped except =
you.</B><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn122"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>123</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/572.gif"></CENTER><FONT=20
size=3D4>Allahummaghfirli ma asrartu wa ma a'lantu</FONT><BR><B>O =
Allaah!=20
Forgive me what (sins) I have concealed and what (sins) I have done=20
openly.</B><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn123"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>124</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/573.gif"></CENTER><STRONG>Allahumm=
aj al=20
fee qalbee nuura wa fee lisaani nuura waj al fee sam'ee nuura wa fee =
basaree=20
nuura waj al mintahtee nuura waj al minfawqee nuura wa an yameeni =
nuura wa an=20
yasaaree nuura waj al amaami nuura waj al khalfi nuura waj al fee =
nafsi nuura=20
wa'dham lee nuura.<BR>O Allaah! Place light in my heart; [and light in =
my=20
tongue;] and place light in my hearing; and place light in my seeing; =
and=20
place light from below me; and place light from above me, and light on =
my=20
right, and light on my left; and place light ahead of me; and place =
light=20
behind me; [and place light in my self;] and make the light greater =
for=20
me.</STRONG><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn124"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>125</FONT></SUP></A><BR><BR>
<LI><BR>
<CENTER><IMG align=3Dtop=20
=
src=3D"http://www.qss.org/images/salah/574.gif"></CENTER><STRONG>Allahumm=
a innee=20
a'uthubika bi ridhaaka min sakhatika wa a'uthu bi mu' aafatika min =
uqubatika=20
wa a'uthubika minka. Uhsee thana a alaika, anta kama athnayta ala=20
nafsika<BR>[O Allaah!] [Indeed] I seek refuge with Your Pleasure from =
Your=20
Anger; [I seek refuge] with Your Pardons from Your Punishment; I seek =
refuge=20
with You from You. I cannot count all exultations upon You; You are as =
You=20
have extolled Yourself.</STRONG><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/footnotes/11_fn.html#fn125"><SU=
P><FONT=20
size=3D-2>126</FONT></SUP></A><BR></LI></OL><BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Allahumma salli wasallim alaa =
Nabiyyina=20
Muhammad. Wasalaam.<BR>Modou Mbye</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Hamjatta
I passed by the office on my way to the airport and found your rejoinder and
that of Saul.
I am leaving with a very heavy heart for not being able to sink my teeth in
the fruit that you would have put on my lap. However, I must congratulate
you and Saul for speaking your mind even though I believe you have drawn
conclusions before even making investigations.
Since you have more questions than answers and you have the oepn mind to
consider my explanations, it would have been best to pose the questions and
then pass your judgment after I give my answers. That is better than the
clumsy attempts to give the impression that I masterminded everything that
happened during the coup period, or should I withdraw the clumsy since I am
yet to prove my case. O.K. I will withdraw it. We will take it for granted
that you have put your case and it is now my duty to convince you or anybody
with the same thinking to accept a contrary view.
I must say that this is the healthiest thing that could happen to The Gambia
as we enter the 21st century. I hope you will not stop with Halifa Sallah. I
do accept for all bullets to be fired at me. I also hope that you will draw
all public figures to the firing line and make them account for themselves
during the coup period.
I will address your concerns on the issue of social science and beliefs.
Your conception of the 1997 Constitution is interesting. In order to give my
submission more weight, I will postulate that the 1997 Constitution has all
the basic faults that could be found in the 1970 Constitution and other laws
under the Jawara regime, and has fundamental provisions that are
indispensable for a democratic society that the 1970 Constitution did not
have. This is my postulation. I guess you and Saul now see how far I am
ready to put my integrity on the line as far as the Constitution is
concerned. I owe no regrets. It is ridiculous to call the 1997 Constitution
a Jammeh Constitution. I will now offer a challenge to any Gambian, be of
the legal profession or not, to contend with the postulate I have
transmitted.
I even wanted to call names of lawyers who have called the constituion a
non-sense constituion to take part in this debate but that may amount to
some form of pettiness. So it is best to give a general challenge to this
postulate.
By a copy of this memorandum, I would also like to tell Saul Khan that he
has added more to the load he has already put on my head by giving the
impression that I launched into my +ACI-usual monologues, defending the then Lt.
Jammeh, and a constitution that gives a select group of people carte
blanche' to do whatever they want in the Gambia w/o ever facing any
consequences.+ACI-
On my return, I will weigh whether this was an attempt to try to be clever
or very clumsy trickery. I will be back by Sunday, 5 December. The battle
for the truth continues.
Halifa Sallah.
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Here is Saul Khan's reply as requested by him. Saul, let's hear what
others think first.
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Alpha,
I'm sorry if I interpreted you wrong, but you haven't answered my question.
Who are these politicians who are using ethnicity to get to power? My whole
point is, we can move forward w/o perpetuating old, yet false stereotypes.
Talk to any Mandingo speaking person who grew up in the Banjul environs, and
you might be surprised at what you hear. It's no different than the kind of
prejudice that black people face here in the US from whites- despite this
nonsense of a Mandingo majority in the Gambia. If I sound overly sensitive,
it's b/c of my childhood experience. I have vowed not to let anyone get away
with perpetuating such stereotypes - however subtly they put it. What you
said in your piece is identical to what some lawyer (Caryol?) said in an
interview w/ the Observer just before the elections - only he was more
direct. And Grey-Johnson, the former ambassador to the US said the same
thing in an advertisement in the Washington Times early last year: "during
Jawara's era, it was the dominant tribe against everybody else." I still
have a copy if you want to read it. So I'm not jumping at shadows.
I've told you the mixture in my own family. And you might find it
interesting that I might be married to a Jola woman by now, if I didn't
leave the Gambia when I did. I have real friends from all creeds that make
up the Gambia. So, Alpha, if you want to raise national issues, don't beat
about the bush. Say exactly what you mean, and we can take it from there. I
have as much contempt for most Mandingo politicians as you may have, but to
hold a whole group of people responsible for our nation's decay is criminal.
It matters not, whether you've only insinuated this, or said it directly. If
I'm wrong about the politicians you're talking about, I'll apologize. I'm
all ears!
Saul.
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Halifa,
I await your responses to my "clumsy" postulations. That i had been able to
provide verbatim; word for word account of your role during the transition
and after is not the not crux of the debate. I had informed you of my
constraints being that of material limits. My attack was semi polemical and
semi empirical. Would you please appreciate that in your response.
Rightly so, the bullets started firing in your direction as you said but be
assured that in the attempt to discover no one is immune from the bullets of
this new awakening my humble self included.
Hamjatta
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:11:24 +0100
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Gambia L-Community,
This one is in memory of a dear brother, friend and colleague who =
departed this life on the 31st of December 1989. It`s been a decade long =
and as we approach the next millennium I would like to pay homage to =
Ebou Ceesay.
Those of us who were acquainted with Ebou, whether at Real de Banjul or =
the Serrekunda East Nawetan tournaments, will forever remember him as a =
wonderful person who had filled many hearts with joy both on and off the =
football pitch. At the time of his death, he was the best goalkeeper in =
the country, a rising star and a great promise to The Gambia. It would =
not have been surprising today to see Ebou play in The Premie League, =
Serie A or The Bundesliga. He was greatly loved both by the young and =
old; a guy of decent presonality, charm nad charisma. Alas, it was at =
the peak of his football career that illness struck which was later to =
claim his life. This was a devastating news especially in football =
circles and it was hard to believe that Ebou was no more. This was a guy =
who had always given life to our training sessions as we prepare for the =
zonal tournaments and seeing him play at goal was a morale boost to the =
entire team. Hundreds of mourners gathered at his family home on new =
year`s day 1990, to pay their final respects, and anybody present that =
day will agree that The Gambia had lost a hero. The expressions on the =
faces of Saul Jagne, Lamin Touray (Dicks), Bambo Fatty (Big Boy) Baba =
Khan and everybody else confirmed this, and those of us who carried his =
coffin to his final resting place will forever be haunted by this =
experience.
Ebou might be gone forever, but he surely is not forgotten. Anytime I =
visit The Gambia and we talk about football, his name is always =
mentioned and we go on and on about him. The memories still linger.
We pray that God continues to shower His blessings on him and to all =
other deceased, and give them eternal bliss.
REST IN PEACE BRO. I SALUTE YOU.
Love,
Omar.-----Opprinnelig melding-----
Fra: akere achu <[log in to unmask]>
Til: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Dato: 24. november 1999 03:09
Emne: Re: Intergenerational Dialogue between two women
>Fellow Africans,
>I am reminded of a hadith of the Prophet(PBUH) to the effect that half =
of
>our Religion comes from our wives! We are two sides of the same coin, =
and
>must therfore learn to love, respect, and cherish each other. May Allah
>bless U all!
>Akere D. Achu, MCSE
>
>
>>From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
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>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Intergenerational Dialogue between two women
>>Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:00:08 EST
>>
>>In a message dated 11/18/99 6:44:46 PM Central Standard Time,
>>[log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>><< Jabou, we empathize with the women whose husbands treat them like =
second
>> class citizens. However, we feel that western education is not the =
only
>>way
>> of the Gambian woman gaining her independence. There are women
>>entrepreneurs
>> back home who work in tailoring, fabric merchandising, etc., and we =
do
>>not
>> think they would be treated like that. Let's help our sisters back =
home
>>with
>> the resources for self-enhancement, thus raising their self-esteems
>>levels
>> high enough to take a detour from maltreatment like you described.
>> >>
>>*********************************************
>>Awa & Ndey,
>>
>>Again thanks for this timely posting. However, l feel l must say here =
that
>>l
>>do not think l mentioned anything in my comment that implied that =
western
>>education was the only way for Gambian women to gain their =
independence,
>>and
>>your comment here tends to imply that l said as much. l just mentioned =
the
>>problem of the lack of respect for some of our sisters, demonstrated =
by
>>their
>>husbands, in that they do not discuss anything of significance with =
them at
>>all, or even sit down to share a meal with them. Instead, they are
>>relegated
>>to order takers. l mentioned that they do not even sit down to eat =
with the
>>wife, again giving the implication that they do not consider this
>>individual
>>an equal both in the partnership, as well as in intelligence. All =
these
>>things have absolutely nothing to do with western education being =
needed to
>>emancipate our sisters.
>> Yes, there are many of our sisters who are engaged in =
entrepreneurial
>>ventures that certainly give them the financial freedom, so that they =
do
>>not
>>have to feel the financial dependency that forces many a woman who are
>>subjected to maltreatment by their spouses from speaking out. However, =
l
>>think that to assume that the fact that these sisters are finacially =
able
>>to
>>support themselves has resulted in their total emancipation from male
>>domination is quite a simplistic conclusion. While attaining =
financial
>>independence is certainly a good point to start from, there are still =
many
>>battles for us as women to fight.One can have all the money one needs =
so
>>they
>>do not have to be dependent, but perhaps the only other solution for =
this
>>woman, when faced with an abusive, disrespectful or inconsiderate =
spouse
>>would be to pack her bags and leave, which only serves as a temporary
>>solution. l think what we must aspire to is a solution that will =
implement
>>a
>>change within that will ultimately take care of every aspect of how we =
are
>>viewed in the society, as an integral part of it, able to contribute =
as
>>much
>>as anyone else. As you pointed out in your posting:
>>
>>"There cannot be any development without the full participation of =
women"
>>
>>The recognition that women are an integral part of the development of =
any
>>nation has to start with our men gaining an understanding that we have
>>opinions, ideas and the intelligence to contribute much. This in turn =
will
>>only come about when we begin to see each other as equals, by =
interacting
>>as
>>equals, talking to each other, and where better to start than having =
a one
>>on one interactions like sharing a meal. This was the basis of my =
comment
>>about "not even sitting down to a meal with one's spouse".
>>
>>Now, then, the question is, how do we begin to help each other as =
women to
>>gain not only the financial independence, but to face the overall
>>challenge
>>of being treated as just normal human beings with abilities to make
>>staggering contributions?
>>l am open to any ideas.
>>
>>Jabou Joh
>>
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In a message dated 11/27/99 9:53:25 PM Central Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
M=20
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<< I commend the president for openly speaking tough/against corruption.
However, there are some serious issues=97like the alleged Human Rights
abuses; the ... nocturnal extrajudicial kidnappings, to name a few=97that
need to be addressed. I therefore ask: what is the government doing to
address those serious issues?
=20
Thank you for your time.
=20
Lamin Camara. >>
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This is the million dollar question l think Lamin. Perhaps the government ca=
n=20
start by vindicating themselves first in any allegations of corruption=20
directed at them. Secondly, they can also take measures to alleviate any=20
allegations of human rights violations, past or present, and implement=20
measures that will assure all Gambians that their rights will be safeguarde=
d=20
as provided for in our constitution. To alleviate people's fears and assure=
=20
them that this is so will not be automatically accepted by a population=20
that has either witnessed instances of human rights abuses, or live in fear=
=20
of it happening to them and their loved ones if they dare to speak the facts=
=20
. Only if the governemnt sets a shining and sincere example by =20
indulging in sincere self examination and acceptance of responsibility=20
where they are found responsible for violation of rights, be it personal =20
rights or the freedom of speech of any individual, then their intention to=20
curb corruption and persecute the perpetrators of it will be seen as=20
genuine, as opposed to it being a tool to make scapegoats out of individuals=
.
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:09:08 -0400
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Many Congratulations to you Madiba,
wish you a very bright future.
Greetings
Matarr M. Jeng
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:51:47 GMT
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L. Camara & Ousman,
It's great that the president is talking about this corruption issue now.
But I don't get it. The AG's report is specific. At every govt dept, the
buck stops somewhere. It's all a matter of culpability. What would the
parliamentary committee unearth that the AG hasn't already done? Like Ousman
alluded to, it sounds awfully like Jawara's "... anyone found guilty will
dance to the music" and the subsequent 360 degree turn-around. There is no
secret regarding the Id of the people responsible for the missing funds.
Yaya can either go after them, or for political expediency, pretend he
doesn't know the culprits. He's not fooling anyone.
Saul.
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>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 00:53:13 EST
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>Mr. Camara,
>Thanks for posting that piece to the L. I commend of course as pessimistic
>I
>might be called, with a lot of reservations that President Jammeh is
>talking
>about the recent Auditor General's report. Following the dismantling of his
>own built protective security; The July 22nd Movement, it will be unfair to
>say that this is not a positive development in Gambian history. Certainly
>history cannot come back as it always repeats itself. And also I might be
>too
>young to remember, but I am not aware of any time in Gambia when the
>government has publicly given such an Auditor General's report.
>However, the question now is who is corrupt? Who are the criminals here?
>One
>thing certain, the Gambians are the victims as always. Since the Sanna
>Manneh
>case when Jawara said the "Whoever was found guilty in the courts was going
>to face the music," only time will tell us that this is not the same. Today
>is November 28th. and Jammeh has given himself a date line, Jan. 1 2000.
>Looking at the corruption crime in the Gambia, politicians then and now the
>military living flamboyantly whiles the masses struggle in search of enough
>food and adequate shelter, the criminals here is the government. I am not
>surprised that Auditor generals report did not criticize the legal robbing
>of
>public funds by the military. If I am right, it did not even report to us
>the
>expensive trips Jammeh has been unnecessarily making to abroad.
>The current Gambian economic problems might be beyond only corruption. It
>is
>arguably the lack of prioritizing of funds. A mere family unit continuos to
>struggle for their daily bread, continuos to be eroded due to the economic
>difficulties, it must take Jammeh a 'Dare I do not' to even publicly talk
>about corruption.
>How long or how soon shall we see a turn around, only time will tell.
>Whether
>it is a sign of changes coming and a form of commitment, time will tell. I
>have no doubt that Jammeh is realizing that the Gambian might be known for
>his/her extreme patience hence it took Jawara over 30 years to know it, but
>unless Jammeh or anybody else as a matter of fact fails to realize that we
>cannot do anything without our people, we are bound to failure. Sooner or
>later, the people will rise and rise high and recapture all that they have
>been denied from. I hope this is what Jammeh is seeing. It is not a matter
>of
>only reality, but a must. It is a precondition as much a prerequisite to
>survival and again, I hope this is what he is seeing.
>
>Ousman Bojang.
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Well said Hamjatta,
I can hardly wait!
Saul.
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>Halifa,
>I await your responses to my "clumsy" postulations. That i had been able to
>provide verbatim; word for word account of your role during the transition
>and after is not the not crux of the debate. I had informed you of my
>constraints being that of material limits. My attack was semi polemical and
>semi empirical. Would you please appreciate that in your response.
>Rightly so, the bullets started firing in your direction as you said but be
>assured that in the attempt to discover no one is immune from the bullets
>of
>this new awakening my humble self included.
>Hamjatta
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Alpha,
You don't need to wait for anyone's comments. We don't need to prolong this
anymore than we have to. You tell me exactly who you're talking about, and
this issue will go away. If you're sincere about your proposals, what's hard
about what I'm asking?
Saul.
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>Gambia-L,
>Here is Saul Khan's reply as requested by him. Saul, let's hear what
>others think first.
>
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Mr. Bojang,
Sam Sarr is my maternal uncle and knowing him and the background he comes
from, he would not makes up stories or stir things up like that. Yes, he is
currently in New York, but trying to sabotage the Jammeh regime is the least
of his priorities. If the "arms" deal is untrue and happens to be Radio
Kangkang material, I don't think we need to worry about it. Or, should we?
Regards,
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Hi Cherno!
Thanks for your response and clarifications. On your first
point, I can only add that while the "the sheer love of narrow-minded
pan-africanism... without any hint of critical objectivity " is dangerous,
reactionary rejection and complete acceptance of others' weak positions
disguised in quotations to mask their positions' superficiality without any
hint of critical objectivity and analysis is equally dangerous.
On your second point, it was neither the lack of comprehension of the
idiomatic expressions nor the failure to understand the words you used that
prompted me to ask for clarification. It was rather your apparent (at least
to me) dismissal of, not only in that paragraph but throughout your mail,
the attempts made by the Nkrumahs etc. to lead Africa and create
institutions that safeguard Africa's independence and integrity in the face
of the realities of their time. I asked for clarification to not only gauge
the psyche behind the comments but also to avoid misinterpreting what you
wrote.
Finally, I have learnt through your clarifications your stand with
regard to certain things. Keep the debate going. I am enjoying it. Thanks.
Buharry.
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From: chernob jallow <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 7:22 PM
Subject: Response to Momodou Buharry Gassama
> Buharry,
>
> The fact of Nkrumah or Nyerere being simply Africans or Independence
winners
> from the colonialists is not as important to me as what they did with
> independence and thereafter. Some people, for the sheer love of
> narrow-minded pan-africanism, are entertained by the personalities of the
> Nkrumahs, the Nyereres, the Cabrals, without any hint of critical
> objectivity on their legacies. I am not trying to 'kill' Africa's
> 'prophets,' but their being Africans alone is insignificant to me.
>
> On your second point, I was talking about Halifa's references to what the
> Lumumbas, the Nkrumahs, the Nyereres wished for Africa's development. He
> 'harped'(talked about it repeatedly)on this; and he 'went the whole
> hog'(idiomatic expression, meaning to do something thoroughly or
> completely).
>
> I hope you have understood and learnt something. Thanks for the
> correspondence.
>
> Cherno
>
> >From: MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Memo to Halifa
> >Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:09:45 +0100
> >
> >Hi Baba!
> > I do not want to misinterprete a couple of your statements.
> >Could you please clarify what you mean. The statements are:
> >
> >"The fact that they were Africans or strove hard to wrest independence
from
> >the Colonialists matters less to me."
> >
> >"You then harped on Nkrumah's wish for an Economic Commission for Africa,
> >and Lumumba's clarion call for an African renaissance, and you went the
> >whole
> >hog..."
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Buharry.
> >
> >----- Original
> >Message -------------------------------------------------------
> >From: chernob jallow <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 1:28 AM
> >Subject: Memo to Halifa
> >
> >
> > > Note: A tight schedule with my classes distracted me from Gambia-L.
> >Hence
> > > the brief delay in responding to your response.
> > > -----------------
> > >
> > > Well. It's been quite an exciting literary cross-fire. It ought to be.
> >It
> >is
> > > nice to provoke a debate. Nicer still, when a proliferation of
comments
> >and
> > > ideas follow, and when these comments and ideas - their comicality or
> > > illogicality notwithstanding - are given due recognition and
> > > acknowledgement.
> > >
> > > I must say that I am a bit titillated by your arguments this time. It
is
> >a
> > > better alternative from your earlier comments that were so
dogmatically
> > > Pan-Africanist, misleading and lacking objectivity, that it was
tempting
> >to
> > > toss your rejoinder to Ayittey's article aside. I said that you argued
> >your
> > > points from the position of a Pan Africanist, and you said you argued
> >yours
> > > from polemics.
> > >
> > > Polemics? Please! Beauty, they say, lies in the eyes of the beholder.
> >You
> > > are entitled to your own opinion, even wrong opinions. But honestly,
> >there
> > > is nothing seriously polemical about your article. Well, wait: your
> > > condemnation of colonialism for not leaving behind productive bases
for
> > > independent African countries shimmer out for acknowledgement. You
> >wrote:
> > > "....it was the colonial multinational corporations which controlled
> >imports
> > > and exports, mines, plantations and industrial establishments. What
> >could
> > > such people do to create a national economy?"
> > >
> > > But here, you simply landed yourself on common ground, marshalling
> >familiar
> > > evidence known to everyone even a primary six pupil. The rest of your
> > > article is akin to sauerkraut ice-cream - a mishmash of incompatible
> > > ingredients - ranging from your regurgitation of history without
> >analytical
> > > connectivity, to fault-mongering, blame-shifting on American leaders,
> > > reeking of irrelevant thinking, to your so-called "dialogue with
> >Nyerere,"
> > > mouth-watering with plaudits and eulogies.
> > >
> > > Your Pan Africanism, not polemics, summoned your wit to urge Ayittey
and
> > > others to find ways of salvaging Africa from its political and
economic
> > > morass. You wished: "so-called intellectuals like Dr. George Ayittey
> >have
> > > the responsibility of examining this net in which Africa finds itself
> >and
> > > come up with ideas which can facilitate the liberation of the African
> > > continent rather than engage in this empty quackery which those who
> > > controlled us yesterday still occupy us with, thus depriving us of
being
> >the
> > > architects of our own destiny."
> > >
> > > You then harped on Nkrumah's wish for an Economic Commission for
Africa,
> >and
> > > Lumumba's clarion call for an African renaissance, and you went the
> >whole
> > > hog, accusing African scholars of reading "without sincerety and
> >honesty,"
> > > the works of Nkrumah, Nyerere, Frantz Fanon, Cabral, and "reading the
> >works
> > > of those who have plagiarized what has been written by many pioneers
of
> >the
> > > national liberation movement..." Are you a polemicist or a Pan
> >Africanist
> > > here?
> > >
> > > I am flattered by your self-trumpeting plaudits. You enthused: " I
have
> > > succeeded in achieving precisely what I set out to achieve. This is
> > > confirmed by the back-tracking that Ayittey has made in his response
to
> >my
> > > challenge." But if you had taken your time, tempered your
effusiveness
> >with
> > > restraint, and re-read Ayittey's and Shirima's article, you would have
> > > realized that your celebration of self-congratulation is simply
hogwash.
> > >
> > > The back-tracking in Ayittey, in your thinking, is summed up in this
> > > addendum of his: " No African would deny that the first generation of
> > > leaders strove gallantly and endured personal hardships to win
> >independence
> > > from colonial rule. They were hailed as heroes by their people and the
> > > international community. We made this point in our piece. BUT in
country
> > > after country, these leaders proceeded to establish brutal regimes,
> >violated
> > > the civil rights of their own people and looted their economies.
Nyerere
> >was
> > > an exception, which we also said in our article." And you conclude:
"The
> >new
> > > element here is the emphasis that Nyerere is an exception. That is my
> > > point." But what's wrong with your vision? Need I more proof why you
> >have
> > > let your emotionalism traumatise your objectivity in this issue,
making
> >you
> > > impervious to even visible things?
> > >
> > > Re-read Ayittey's and Shirima's article. They write: "Although Julius
> > > Nyerere belonged to this generation of African leaders, he did not
> >display
> > > their egregious and megalomaniac excesses. He was not personally
corrupt
> >and
> > > his living style modest - a rare and refreshing exception among
African
> > > leaders." They continue: "Nyerere was also among the very few African
> >heads
> > > of state who relinquished political power voluntarily." Is Ayittey and
> > > co-writer not emphasizing Nyerere's exceptional qualities?
> > >
> > > Ayittey wrote that clarification to energize your mind to the fact you
> >had
> > > completely taken his argument on this issue, out of context. This is
why
> >I
> > > said earlier on that your initial rejoinder to Ayittey's and Shirima's
> > > article had misleading effects. You write: " They say in their paper
> >that
> >it
> > > is criminally irresponsible for people to accord the Nkrumahs and
> >Nyereres
> > > the respect that is being given to them by those who knew their
> > > contributions." That is false.
> > >
> > > The co-writers didn't say anything close to that. They write: "To
> > > continuously celebrate them (Nkrumahs and Nyereres, insertion mine),
> >without
> > > a hint of of the unspeakable misery they bequeathed to their people is
> > > criminally irresponsible." Ayittey and Shirima is not urging us not
to
> > > celebrate the achievements of the Nkrumahs and Nyereres. They are
aware
> >of
> > > their heroism but at the same time urging us not to lose sight of the
> >fact
> > > of their failures and shortcomings.
> > >
> > > Your misleading allusions continue: After quoting Nyerere verbatim on
> > > leadership, you concluded: "This is what Nyerere said on 1 January
1968
> >at
> >a
> > > seminar organized by university students. Now we may ask: can this be
> >the
> > > words of a tyrant?" You gave the wrong impression of Ayittey and
Shirima
> > > tagging Nyerere a tyrant. Again, quoting Nyerere verbatim on freedom,
> >you
> > > concluded: "Now we may ask: can someone who wanted to be a
megalomaniac
> > > utter such statements?" Your utterance of "megalomaniac" has origins
> >rooted
> > > in this part of Ayittey's and Shirima's article: "Although Julius
> >Nyerere
> > > belonged to this generation of African leaders, he did not display
their
> > > egregious and MEGALOMANIAC(emphasis mine)excesses." How does your
> >allusion
> > > square up with this?
> > >
> > > You see, I am sifting through the debris of your article, separating
fib
> > > from fact, myth from reality, blindness from clarity, which if lumped
> >into
> >a
> > > mixture can find easy access to gullible minds. I am enjoying the
> >trouble
> >to
> > > do all this, lest misinformation and subjectivity cloud our collective
> > > insight.
> > >
> > > You said that your "objective was not to refute facts, but to refute
the
> > > interpretation of those facts that put Nyerere in a negative light."
The
> > > reality is, you can't refute anything in Ayittey's and Shirima's
> >article.
> > > And you have now reduced your so-called polemics to an interpretation
of
> >the
> > > "interpretation of those facts" that put Nyerere in a bad light.
Nyerere
> >in
> > > a negative light? Who cares if his shortcomings and failures put him
so?
> > > Again, you are miffed at the contents of the co-writers' article that
> >you
> > > can't refute, and which put Nyerere in a "negative light" that you
don't
> > > like. Reference to his positives in Ayittey's and Shirima's article
> >don't
> > > shimmer into your view. You are not interested. You are worried about
> >the
> > > "interpretation of those facts that put Nyerere in a negative light."
> >Whoa!
> > >
> > > But let's stretch your interpretation of facts further. First, you
take
> > > issue with the caption of the article, NYERERE: A Saint or A Knave?
And:
> >you
> > > define the words, Saint and Knave. And: you want Ayittey and colleague
> >to
> >be
> > > conclusive in their assessement of Nyerere's legacy. Call him a Saint
or
> >a
> > > Knave, you seem to argue. That failing, you find their position
absurd.
> >In
> > > sheer immaturity of thinking, piffling analysis, you conclude: "....if
> >we
> > > rely on the evidence that Ayittey and Shirima have given and which you
> >have
> > > quoted from(the positives and negatives of Nyerere, insertion mine),
> > > we would have to conclude that Nyerere is both a saint and a knave.
> >Nothing
> > > can be more ridiculous than such a conclusion."
> > >
> > > Plunging us into such semantics minutiae cannot deviate us from the
> >contents
> > > of Ayittey's and Shirima's article. Nyerere had his good and bad
sides.
> >He
> > > wasn't all-saintly, or all-knavely. His legacy is impressive here,
> > > unimpressive there. Apparently, you can't grasp this fact of reality.
> >Your
> > > worry over Nyerere being cast in a "negative light" by his own
failures
> >and
> > > shortcomings, is worst than ridiculous. I hereby state: your defence
of
> > > Nyerere is an infatuatioin, and like every other infatuation, you are
> > > seduced by the pleasures of his achievements, and blinded to the
> >extremities
> > > of his shortcomings.
> > >
> > > Objectivity is never attainable like that. The mentality you have
tossed
> > > into your so-called polemics is called fanaticism. Someday, you may be
> >able
> > > or willing to come to terms with not only Nyerere's achievements or
his
> >Pan
> > > Africanism, but also his abject failures. It wasn't encouraging that
> >your
> > > initial rejoinder to Ayittey's and Shirima's article was
all-embracing,
> > > all-appreciative of the Nyereres and the Nkrumahs, and without a
> >scintilla
> > > of dissent over their policies. This is why people like me do not buy
> >this
> > > kind of Pan- Africanism. And we make no fetish of the personalities of
> > > Nkrumah or Nyerere or any other for that time. We are both in
agreement
> >and
> > > dissonance over their policies. The fact that they were Africans or
> >strove
> > > hard to wrest independence from the Colonialists matters less to me.
> > >
> > > Worrying over Nyerere being cast in a bad light, or sifting through
the
> > > semantics of what is saintly or knavish about Nyerere, or Kamuzu Banda
> >being
> > > mentioned in an article about Nyerere, which gives you the hackneyed
> > > imagination that Nyerere is being equated with the Hastings Bandas can
> >only
> > > emphasize why people like me can find you so intellectually trifling,
> > > delusionally imaginative. And this is intellectual sophistication?
> >Please!
> > >
> > > Your fixation on my vocabulary never ceases to entertain me. Time was
> >when
> > > out of trifling imagination, you deluded yourself into thinking that
all
> >I
> > > do is to fish out for words in a dictionary and paste them into my
> >writings.
> > > Here again, you are being inundated with my language. You write: "It
is
> > > indeed true that language is the tongue of the mind and proficiency or
> > > eloquence in the use of language is of aesthetic value. Fine language,
> > > however, tends to lose its finess when it is not tempered by
substance."
> >Let
> > > me add this: when ideological myopia, intellectual sloppiness,
> > > self-perpetuated delusions are being preyed upon by the candour,
> >precision
> > > and truthfullness of arguments, it can bring an unintended effect of
> > > spawning cynicism and obscurantism into the minds of
message-recipients,
> > > making them impervious to the essentiality of lessons. So need I
wonder
> >why
> > > you keep hammering at and yammering about, my "flowery language?"
> > >
> > > But I am pleased for one thing about your response: "Frankly
speaking,"
> >you
> > > write,"I do enjoy your interventions. It strikes me that you have a
> >right
> > > approach to freedom of expression. You seem to believe that everyone
has
> >the
> > > right to speak about anything and everything....." This is a positive
> > > back-tracking from your soap-box oratory, earlier this year. Recall
what
> >you
> > > said: Cherno Baba, we have closed many mouths in The Gambia, and we
are
> >very
> > > confident that before the end of this debate you will put your foot in
> >your
> > > mouth.
> > >
> > > Translation: your ideological invincibility has crushed many, and will
> >spare
> > > no-one. Well. Indication is, your self-perpetuating delusion of
> >ideological
> > > grandeur is being gradually disciplined by the grace of humility. And
> > > understanding. There.
> > >
> > > I rest my case. Thanks for the correspondence.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Cherno B. Jallow
> > > Detroit, MI
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Awa,
That was a quick responnse. Thanks a lot. As you may know in such dictatorial
systems especially with the military involve, a lot of our news is rumor. I
hope it is not true. I am not into finding out any one's backrgound, motive
or loyalty to the regime.
Of course if it is true, it should not matter who reveals it, we should all
be worried. I cannot understand why no one should not. Dealing arms to the
Cassamance rebels is just another way of adding fuel to the fire in that
unstsble and unpredictable region. Don't you think so?
Ousman Bojang.
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Hi folks,
I thought I'd pass this on, in the wave of congratulations to Dr. Madiba Saidy
on recent Ph.D. A Kenyan friend of mine recently also got his Ph.D. and
mentioned this article in an e-mail he sent to me. I asked him to forward it
to me so I could pass it on. I hope you find it useful, and inspiring.
By the way, the friend I refer to above is called Chang'aa, and I'll be
sending, under seperate cover, his annoucement of his successful defense of his
dissertation. I found that one very interesting reading too, and thought I'd
share it.
And to Dr. Madiba, I'd like to extend my congratulations. Interestingly enough,
it was yesterday (Sat. Nov. 27) that I was hosting my African music program,
"The Baobab Beat" on our community radio station here in Madison, and decided
to play a song called "Madiba." A really nice SEWRUBA song from a CD "Mandinka
Drum Master", by Mamadou Ly (from Cassamance). I happened to have started the
set with a cut from Sedhiou Band's CD Africa Kambeng (see
http://www.africassette.com), followed by Taata and his Salaam Band's "Africa
Kambeng" from the compilation CD "Streets of Dakar" on Stern's Africa. It was
a lot of fun, and I did mention Madiba's Ph.D. on the air, even though the guy
wasn't within our listening range. But it's the spirit that matters! Again,
congratulations and best wishes, Madiba, er Dr. Saidy!
Katim
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>Wananeti:
>
>It seems that someone is "pissed" at those who profess to have PhDs!
>But what's behind such a title? As Mabwana Muoria and Kitabwalla correctly
>observed, a PhD is a "research" degree, despite some "outliers" for whom
>the title is just that, a "title" that gives them bragging rights.
>
>As a one-time director of a PhD programme in "Urban Social Institutions",
>I was constantly confronted with the agonizing problem of "weeding out"
>some students who were in the programme for reasons of "consumating" their
>illusions of status. A number of these were well-placed local
>personalities, who were already very successful in their careers.
>
>One case which comes to mind was a high ranking adminstrator with the
>Medical College of Wisconsin. He had an MBA which was what was required
>for his position. But for some reason, particularly in view of the fact
>that he was surrounded by Drs--some with PhDs (eg PhD in Biostatistics) or
>MDs in medicine, he must have suffered a terrible inferiority complex! So
>what happened?
>
>He sought admission in our programme. He was admitted on condition that he
>makes up deficiencies in social theory, methods of research and
>statistics. As if that were not bad enough, he found out that he also had
>to learn some rudiments of Unix, emacs or vi, canned statistical packages
>eg SPSS or SAS! And these are just tools to equip a student with the
>wherewithal to undertake their own research. To do his assignments he had
>to dig deep into the huge repository of data maintained by the Social
>Science Research Facility and isolate "variables" that are germane to
>whatever hypotheses intrigued him! Where do you get help in all of this?
>You don't! You are supposed, at this level of instruction, have all the
>tools for negotiating through the different phases of the program:
>classes, research, preliminary examination and finally your PhD thesis!
>
>Well, after struggling for two years in the programme, without showing
>"acceptable" progress, we had to advise the person in question to drop out
>of the programme. He did this "gladly".
>
>We should all take our hats off to all the Kenyans who have gone through
>such a harrowing exercise. It is a process that requires tremendous
>discipline, sacrifice, and tenacity in the pursuit of knowledge. These
>sons and daughters of the soil have joined hands with all the men and
>women who collectively have contributed to the pool of human knowledge on
>a global scale. If Kenya cannot harness such brain power, that is an
>indictment of our society and its political system and not our men and
>women of knowledge. Why would anybody expect someone with, let us say, a
>PhD in civil engineering, "fix" our political system? Are the conditions
>of roads bad in Kenya because some with PhD in civil engineering is not
>using his/her head? Eh!
>
>Mzee Edari
>
>
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Hi folks,
Here's my friend, Chang'aa's own take on his Ph.D. By the way, the first part
was just for my ego, so you can skip it ;-)
Enjoy!
Katim
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> Date: Monday, October 25, 1999 8:02 PM
>
> Brother Katim!
>
> Greetings from Chang'aa Mweti. I hope that you are doing fine. Last
> Monday, I defended my dissertation!! I tried to let our "African Association
> of Madison" know the news but when I sent the e-mail it bounced back to me.
> Therefore, I am sending this to you as a friend and if you think it is
> appropriate, you can re-send the message to our members.
>
> Otherwise, have a nice day guy. It is because of guys like you that people
> like me got some kind of motivation. I had checked out your dissertation
> sometime back and it was great honor to see that a brother from the
> continent like other brothers/sisters had attained that level of education!
>
> I have been emotionally drained. Read what I had told all my friends.
>
> Keep in touch.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Chang'aa Mweti
> 1498 Martin St
> Madison, WI 53713
> Tel: 280 0966
>
>
>
>
> >Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:40:52 -0600
> >To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask],
> [log in to unmask]
> >From: Chang'aa Mweti <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: "Ph.D" ordeal.
> >
> >My family members, my friends, Kenyans & Friends of Kenyans, African
> Association of Madison, Ladies and Gentlemen!
> >
> >I lack enough English vocabulary to thank you for the kind words of
> congratulations I have received from you, some in private mails, a few in
> public forum, and telephone calls as well. Although I can not write the
> names of everyone here, I just wanted you to know that I have been very
> appreciative of your words of encouragement. Before I continue, I want to
> tell all of you a story, whose theme will be "the benefits of struggling".
> Okay, here we go!
> >
> >Once upon a time, a man found a cocoon of a butterfly. One day, a small
> opening appeared, and he sat and watched the butterfly for several hours as
> it struggled to force its body through that little hole. Then, it seemed to
> stop making any progress. It appeared as if it had gotten as far as it could
> go no farther. Then the man decided to help the butterfly, so he took a
> pair of scissors and snipped off the remaining bit of the cocoon. The
> butterfly then emerged easily, but it had a swollen body and small shivering
> wings.
> >
> >Now, the man continued to watch the butterfly because he expected that at
> any moment, the wings would enlarge and expand to be able to support the
> body, which would contract in time. Neither happened!
> >
> >In fact, the butterfly spent the rest of its life crawling around with a
> swollen body and shriveled wings. It never was able to fly. What the man in
> his kindness and haste did not understand was that the restricting cocoon
> and the struggle required for the butterfly to get through the tiny opening
> was nature's way of forcing fluid from the body of the butterfly into its
> wings so that it would be ready for flight once it achieved its freedom from
> the cacoon.
> >
> >Therefore, my fellow country men and women and friends of Kenyans wherever
> you might be, in Kenya or outside Kenya, sometimes struggles are exactly
> what we need in our life. If God allowed us to go through our life without
> any obstacles, it would cripple us. We would not be as strong as what we
> could have been. And we could NEVER FLY!!
> >
> >Why am I telling you this story? It is a powerful story which can be
> applied in different life situations which might be very challenging and not
> just the "Ph.D ordeal" I have hinted above. For those of you who may want
> to know more about "ph.d" path, I refer you to Prof. Edari's positing of
> July 20, 1998 whose title was "What's in a Ph.D?". I can forward it to
> anyone who would like to read what our insightful Mwalimu had written.
> >
> >For those of you who are moving towards that path, my advice is that do not
> despair. When things seem to get tough, don't quit. Once I listened to a
> motivational speaker who said a sentence which has stuck in my mind for a
> long time. The speaker said, "When problems come, some people break,
> others break records! Once I read a Russian proverb which says, "The
> hammer shatters glass, but forges steel"....meaning when problems of this
> world hit someone who is delicate, fragile, weak, breakable, those problems
> shatter this individual like glass, but the same problems hitting an
> individual who is strong "inside", that individual is "forged, molded,
> created, shaped, into steel! In God's power, we are all meant to be steel!
> >
> >When I was finishing my Masters degree in Whitewater, Wisconsin, I was told
> that the more you go down south, the more you encounter prejudice. People
> being mean to you and all that sort of thing. So, with a friend of mine, we
> decided to go to Louisville, Kentucky. In one of the southern states, I was
> in a "bathroom" (toilet), combing my hair. There was a guy near me who
> looked at me not in a friendly manner, and said, "Where do you come from?"
> I said, " I come from Kenya". Then he said, "In this country, they teach us
> to wash our hands after we have used the bathroom". I said, "In my country,
> they teach us not to pee on our hands!" He smiled and said, "That is a good
> one", and we shook hands in the bathroom and became friends. What I am
> saying to all of you out there, is that personally, my own sense of humor
> (humour), helps me sail through any nasty remarks because you would find
> good and bad people wherever you go in this planet. I am telling you this
> story to pave way for a very strong philosophy of life which can help
> anyone. Read the paragraph below!
> >
> >This is the strong philosophy of life: 10% is what happens to you in this
> world. What the system can do to you, what anybody in power can do to you,
> what your enemies can do to you and so on. The good news is that 90% is how
> you react to what happens to you!!!!! As you can see, you have the upper
> hand. We therefore need to be strong individuals. Not necessarily physical
> strength, but be strong spiritually, emotionally, and morally. Set your own
> goals and achieve them, and do not ever buy any negative label stuck on you,
> because if people look at you and say that you are "dump" and you listen to
> them, you will be "dump" because you will start acting according to their
> expectation of who you are, and that is wrong! If you do not do well in
> something, that is not the end of everything. Change your strategy and move
> on without dwelling on the failure. In fact, once a philosopher said, "If at
> first you do not succeed, change your definition of success!" Ha ha ha....
> I had to make some of you chuckle if not laugh loudly!!!!
> >
> >What I have shared with you so far is what I tell my audience in the many
> public speeches I give here in Wisconsin, and elsewhere. I am sorry if I
> may have bored some people, ( I hope not), but quite sincerely and in good
> faith, I believe that what I have said so far, may help some people in
> different ways.
> >
> >Let me tell you all, a little bit about myself. When I was in standard
> two, "grade two", at Mbitini Primary School, in Kitui district our math
> teacher Mr. Musembi, came to our class and said, "If I give you two cats
> today, and three cats tomorrow, how many cats of yours will you have
> altogether?" Many of us raised our hands. "Chang'aa", he said. "Six", I
> answered. Everybody was shaking with suppressed guffaws, thinking that I
> was dump. He came towards me to hit my head with his stick. (Some of you
> out there know that teachers used to do that kind of thing) "Sir", I said,
> "before you hit me, at home, my father has given me another cat. So, if you
> give me your five cats, plus that one of mine, don't I now have six cats of
> mine?" He looked at me, smiled and said, "there is something wrong with
> you!". He never hit me! This story is told over and over in my home town of
> Mbitini and Mr. Musembi is long retired but every time I go home he says,
> "This boy used to give me a lot of troubles in classroom!" To him, I am
> still a boy and I do not refute that.
> >
> >The short story above may at least help some of you understand why I chose
> this kind of study. If you want to do something of the magnitude of a
> "dissertation", I think it would be helpful to choose a topic which forms
> the core of your interest. For me, I have been telling stories since
> childhood. Stories help break abstract notions into concrete, and anything
> told in a storyform is easy to conceptualize because stories appeal to
> peoples' emotions.
> >
> >I successfully defended my "dissertation" this week, on Monday October 18,
> 1999, at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. I was in the school of
> Education, Curriculum department. Like many of you out there, I went
> through many obstacles. It's full title: " The use of Stories and their
> Power in the Secondary School Curriculum Among the AKamba of Kenya". I
> spent half a year in my home district of Kitui, doing my research in four
> schools, namely: Kitui Boys Sec, Mulango Girls Sec, Mbitini Girls Sec, and
> Ikanga Boys Sec. Although the study was not about "gender issues" per se, I
> felt that the study would be less susceptible if I balanced my choices of
> schools. That is why I chose two boys and two girls schools.
> >
> >For those of you out there who may be interested in "storytelling
> methodology in teaching", get in touch with me privately and I can share
> with you some stuff! I will keep those interested informed and also forward
> the "abstract" in due course! From the African perspective, I think this
> kind of study may aid curriculum theorists like Salia-Bao, (currently or
> formerly) head of the Department of Education and Teacher Training at the
> United Nations Institute for Namibia. In his book, "Curriculum Development
> and African Culture", he explained some of the problems that face African
> Education. He claims that the curriculum development in Africa is based on
> western curriculum theories, some of which are not related to African needs
> and culture. Salia-Bao (1989) touches the field of my interest
> (storytelling), when he says, "Although folktales and riddles could achieve
> the same objectives as inquiry learning, they are not used because there is
> little research on how to use folk-tale methodology in teaching" (p.55).
> Therefore, my study will be a move towards that direction since it attempts
> to show that "African storytelling" which has sustained African communities
> for centuries, can be effectively applied in classroom as well.
> >
> >In conclusion, should any of you come to the state of Wisconsin, feel free
> to contact me, and other Kenyans here in Madison. Or if you come to visit
> Prof. Edari, at the University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, let us all get
> together. There is a restaurant here in Madison, owned by a guy from
> Jamaica. It is called "Jamerica", and they serve "goat curry!" ....(Karibuni
> = all welcome) for non Kiswahili speakers!!!
> >
> >Once again, thank you all.
> >
> >Peace,
> >
> >Chang'aa Mweti, Ph.D
> >1498 Martin St
> >Madison, WI 53713 (U.S.A)
> >Tel: 608 280 0966.
> >
> >E-mail: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
>
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Hi bro. Matat it´s been a long time . How is the family?.Think we are in the
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Assalaamu alaikum Ka'm
Alhamdulillah. That was a good one from the city of the 'bleacher
creatures'. BTW, which Jamaican owns the restaurant and where is it located?
Is it Jah Tony? There was one on the East Side not far from your radio
station. I don't know if it is still functioning. An old Ethiopian lady also
started an Ethiopean restaurant. Boy, Ethiopean food is good. Hmmmmmm.
Nostalgia!!! Well, don't blame me; myself Mbaye Ndiaye and Salif Coly are
getting tired of noodles and 'cheero hampaw' (chinese chicken hamburger).
From what I understand, the Gambian community is growing down there in
Madison. Why can't someone start a food business like the Nigerian brother
Jamiu used to do on Library mall. I mean this fellow was making money
selling half-cooked Domoda to all those 'greens' at UW. I miss Muhammad
Coles 'Benachin bu fatatarach' :) (exquisite) cuisine and Sainey Nyassi's
Mbahal. Greetings to all.
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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Saul,
Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up your mind and stop
pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that Ousainou
used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou is just a
REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to recover
$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
Jammeh
Thanxxxxxxxx
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Basiru,
You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of Ousainou's.
However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist of my
article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason or
another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or tribe.
If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism, produce it,
and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not familiar
with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've said here,
that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each other. If
you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence to back
your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in sleaze,
you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or just shut
up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
Saul.
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>Saul,
> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up your mind
>and stop
>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that Ousainou
>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou is just
>a
>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to recover
>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
>Jammeh
>
>Thanxxxxxxxx
>
>
>Basiru Ndow
>
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Assalaamu alaikum
Alhamdulillah. Below is a correction on du'aa # 12: Uhsee thana a =
alaika, anta kama athnayta ala nafsika. Should read: La Uhsee thana a =
alaika, anta kama athnayta ala nafsika. I cannot count all exultations =
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Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
Modou Mbye
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Dr. Madiba Saidy,
On behalf of the Organisation of Gambians in Sweden I take this opprtunity
to manifest our joy with the good news of your achievements. As a newly
Ph.D. holder, this shows how grate the sons of Gambia are doing abroad. May
God bless you and your family.
With the good news, we hope that this will help us as good sons and
daughters of Gambia to begin a new era in the Bantaba. There has been some
differences of opinion within the Bantaba in how we relate to each others
opinion, and we hope that the last letter that Dr. Katim Touray wrote to
presedent Yaya Jammeh will contribute to a better understanding among the
Gambian community in the Gambia-L. We look forward with your good
contributions.
God help you.
With Love
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According to the Swedish Daily news DN, The people of Guinea Bissau went to
the pools on Sunday after six months brake from internal civil war. Under
the banner of the United Nations , voting was held for both president and
parliament. There where 12 presidential candidates and one of them is the
former provisional president Mr. Malan Bacai, and 11 parties contested
seats in parliament . The former President Vieira whom was unseated in a
military coup de tar by his former army chief of staff General Ansumane
Mane, is not contesting.
Security was high; the country borders were close on Friday and should not
be opened before Monday today. The results of the elections are suppose to
be disclose on Tuesday.
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On Thursday the 25th November I had a day on Gambia with Vendels=F6 =
Social
Democrat Party in Haninge Sweden. As a member of the Swedish Social =
Democrat
Party, I took the opportunity to present my native land to my =
colleagues to
see what I can do for Gambia from Sweden. It all started when I was in =
the
Gambia the last time in February this year. I was in Sukuta to visit =
one of
my in laws working at the Sukuta hospital. She introduced me to the =
staff of
the hospital and I was informed of the progress the villages where =
embark on
to build an extension of the ward to cater for more beds. The villages
themselves had to provide D10:- from each household to be able to meet =
the
cost, because money was not avail from the authorities due to =
constraint
economy. The building has been started but it is just halfway and a lot =
of
money is needed for its completion.
I made an interview with the staffs, the patients admitted there and
documented every thing with the help of a home video and camera. I =
promised
them to take with me the materials to Sweden and see what could be done =
as
to render some assistance .
My party was informed briefly when I came from Gambia, and we decided =
to
have a day on Gambia to present to them what I had in my briefcase. So =
25th
November was decided and everyone was pleased with the materials =
presented
and the next stage is to spot a day next year when we depart for Gambia =
to
see in reality what's going on there. The chairman of (OGIS ) Mr. Papa
Ousman Jeng was also invited and he was one of the speakers at the =
evening.
So everyone is welcome to come up with any material or idea available =
to
make the Swedish Social Democrat (Vendel=F6 Section) know our country,
especially Sukuta Village. This is just the first stage to the long =
journey
awaiting us. We are going to have several studies in the future, before
going to the Gambia, and for that matter I need as much material =
obtainable.
A postgiro will be opened to help in collecting money for the Sukuta
project.
With Love
Sahir Drammeh Spokesman/Treasurer (OGIS) =20
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Jaajef wa G-L
FYI
Yeenduleem ak jaama
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Iran's Defender of Women
An Ayatollah Says They Can Be President And
Even Say 'No' to Their Husbands
By Geneive Abdo International Herald Tribune
Paris, Friday, November 26, 1999
QOM, Iran - The ayatollah looks and behaves like
many others. His long beard
and clerical robes create a medieval persona. But
what comes out of Yusef
Sanaie's mouth is different.
He believes it is perfectly acceptable for a woman
to be president of the
Islamic republic or even the supreme spiritual
leader, a post generally
believed here to be ordained by God.
Also, women should divorce husbands who
contract venereal diseases or who
marry more than one wife without the first wife's
consent.
And women should feel free to say ''no'' to sex with
their husbands.
Ayatollah Sanaie is raising more than eyebrows
with a recently published
fatwa, or Islamic decree, granting women many
rights they now lack.
''Since I was young, I never liked the way women
were treated,'' he said,
seated cross-legged in the reception room of his
office in this holy Shiite
city. ''The bad treatment of women since the Islamic
Revolution contradicts
historical evidence in Islam.''
Religious and civil laws in Iran are not on the side
of women. The value of
a woman's life is half that of a man's in terms of
blood money. Her
testimony in court is worth half that of a man's. She
rarely is granted
custody of children after an early age. And if her
husband dies, his father
gains authority over the couple's assets.
It is no surprise, then, that when Iranian couples
marry, the woman's
attention is focused upon prenuptial contracts
about divorce.
''On the happiest day of our lives, women in Iran
think only about what will
happen if they get divorced,'' said Roya
Monaghem, a women's rights
advocate. ''We try to draft documents that will give
us more rights in case
we get divorced. It's a tragedy.''
Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, women have
made significant gains
compared with life under the shahs. More women
now attend universities. More
work outside the home and earn wages close to
those of men. Also, women have
entered the government.
One of Iran's vice presidents, Masoumeh Ebtekar,
a writer, is a woman, and
there are several women in Parliament. Many are
on city and local councils
throughout the country. Yet, on matters relating to
family law and personal
status, the most sensitive religious and cultural
issues, women are losers.
''Traditionalism did not require the status of women
to be changed, but
modernity does,'' Ayatollah Sanaie said. ''I am
interested in turning my
fatwa into law.''
Ayatollah Sanaie's followers can adopt his fatwa,
but without legislation
passed by Parliament, it cannot be enforced in
court, where the Sharia, or
Islamic code, is the law of the land. It is highly
unlikely such changes
will be considered by the current Parliament, in
which the majority of 270
seats are held by conservatives.
There is also little hope, according to many
women's activists, even if
reformist candidates win a majority in elections in
February.
''Even reformers have traditional views about
women's personal rights,''
said Mehranguiz Kar, a lawyer specializing in
divorce and custody cases.
''Only if we develop a pluralistic political system and
secularists gain
seats in Parliament, can we have any hope for
change.''
Conservative clerics have voiced outrage over
Ayatollah Sanaie's decree.
''What nonsense is this, that a woman can be the
supreme clerical leader?''
asked Hojatolislam Mohammed Eftekhari from the
city of Qazvin.
Even President Mohammed Khatami, who came to
power in a landslide victory in
1997 with the strong support of women, draws a
distinction between a woman's
personal and public status.
Mr. Khatami advocates political and intellectual
advancement for women but
remains silent on issues relating to divorce,
custody and marital rights.
Iranian women tell endless stories of losing their
children to their
husbands and of being deprived of a reasonable
divorce settlement.
According to law, the father can gain custody of a
son after he becomes 2
years old and a daughter after she becomes 7. A
woman can win custody only
if she can prove that her husband is insane, corrupt
or violent.
''These things are impossible to prove,'' Mrs. Kar
said. ''The amount of
documentation a woman must provide to prove that
her husband is an
unsuitable parent is unreasonable. A woman must
also have several witnesses
to such charges against her husband, and who
could possibly have
witnesses?''
The few women who manage to gain rights
generally granted to mothers in the
West do so only through extreme measures.
''My husband wouldn't divorce me and I didn't have
the proof required to
divorce him, so I blackmailed him,'' said Faribah,
who was married to a
physician. ''I knew he was involved in all sorts of
corruption at his
hospital, so I told him I was going to turn him in
unless he divorced me and
gave me the children.''
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salam folks
Beginning the 30th of this month (i.e. day after
tomorrow, or
tomorrow, or today... depending upon where you
are, and when you
see this message) the world trade organization will
be meeting in
Seattle... But they won't be meeting alone! Along
with them will be
tens of thousands and thousands of protestors from
all over the
world to demand a variety of demands.
Many of us are from, or are living in the so-called
"third world" and
this will for sure impact our countries of origin, and
where we are
living. Important to understand the issues... so here
is an article
that discusses some of these issues. For
comprehensive coverage
of the World trade organization, and the protests
please see Z net
http://www.zmag.org.
Altaf
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A SHORT GUIDE TO THE WTO, THE
MILLENNIUM ROUND AND
THE RUMBLE IN SEATTLE
By Elaine Bernard, Executive Director, Harvard
Trade Union
Program
The World Trade Organization (WTO) is coming to
Seattle at the
end of November and tens of thousands of labor,
environmental,
and progressive activists are organizing to give
them a hot
reception. There are thousands and thousands of
pages out there *
on the net, in progressive journals, articles, even
books, on the
WTO. But rather like trade agreements themselves,
sometimes the
very volume of materials available on the topic
overwhelms the uninitiated reader. So, I thought I
would put
together a quick guide to the WTO, to the Seattle
meeting, and to
the various debates within the progressive
community on the WTO.
What is the WTO?
It's an international organization of 134 member
countries which is
both a forum for negotiating international trade
agreements and the
monitoring and regulating body for enforcing the
agreements. The
WTO was created in 1995, by the passage of the
provisions of
"Uruguay Round" of the General Agreement on
Tariffs and Trade
(GATT). Prior to the Uruguay Round, GATT focused
on promoting
world trade by pressuring countries to reduce
tariffs. But with the creation of the WTO, this
corporate inspired
agenda was significantly ratched up by targeting
so-called "non-
tariff barriers to trade" * essentially any national or
local protective
legislation which might be construed as impacting
trade.
So, Aren't we in favor of regulation?
Sure, but not the type of regulation proposed by the
WTO, a
powerful body of unelected bureaucrats, who
deliberate in secret
with an aim to turning the entire world into one big
market.
Officially, the WTO has two main objectives: to
promote and
extend trade liberalization (by breaking down
national "barriers" to trade), and to establish a
mechanism for trade
dispute settlement. In practice, the WTO is seeking
to deregulate
international commerce and break open domestic
markets for
foreign investors. Its rule making seeks to free
corporations from
government regulation which would constitute a
barrier to trade. It
permits relatively unrestricted movement of money,
capital, goods
and services, while at the same time providing
investors and
corporations with extensive protection of their
property rights. It
even extends corporate property rights through the
so called
"intellectual properties" provisions.
Intellectual property as defined by trade
agreements is not about
the creative powers of intellectuals. Rather, it is
about protecting
corporate ownership and monopoly over the
patenting of plants,
processes, seed varieties, drugs, and software.
The intellectual
property provisions are just one example of how
there is extensive
protectionism in this so-called "free trade" regime *
but protection
for corporations and punitive market discipline for
workers,
consumers and small farmers.
Freedom for Capital, Market Discipline for Labor
Here's an example of WTO thinking. The WTO says
that they can
not deal with social issues, only "trade" forgetting
that once you
start to deal with trade in services, you are indeed
dealing with
many social issues. It says that it can only regulate
"product" not
"process." With labor and environmental standards,
what we
normally regulate is process. It's been an important
acquisition of
the labor, consumer, and environmental
movements in recent years to move beyond the
simple regulation
of end
product and regulate process * how things are
made. It is in the
very production methods that we can improve
safety, eliminate
hazards and develop cleaner processes. The
difference between a
shirt produced by sweated labor under near slave
like conditions
and a shirt produced by union labor under decent
conditions isn't
readily obvious in the packaging (the end product)
but rather its
observed in the monitoring of the "process" of how
the shirt is
produced.
By contrast, when the WTO sees the interest of
investors and
capital threatened * it can spring into action and be
quite powerful
in its enforcement. So, for example, when workers
are being forced
to work with flagrant violation of labor law and
safety codes, the
WTO says there is nothing it can do. But let these
same workers
illegally produce "pirate" videos, or CDs
(challenging a corporations
copyright) and the WTO can spring into action
sanctioning all sorts
of actions against the offending country * in order to
protect a
corporations "intellectual property."
Ok, back to Seattle, what is the millennium round?
The WTO wants to continue its campaign of trade
liberalization and
in particular it wants to increase the trade in
services * including
public services. Unfortunately, this means further
turning over
services such as health care, education, water and
utilities to
markets and international competition and
undermining and
destroying local control and protection of
communities.
What's the problem with markets? Markets are fine,
in their place,
but they must not be permitted to replace social
decision-making.
Markets should not be confused with democratic
institutions.
Markets, for example, might be useful in
determining price of
goods, but they should not be mechanisms for
determining our
values as a community. Markets are oblivious to
morals and
promote only the value of profit.
So, what do we want to do about the WTO?
Resistance to the free trade agenda and the
continual drive to
undermine social decision-making and democracy
is the basis of
unity for all the groups protesting the WTO. Beyond
that profound
and important agreement, there are wider
differences about what to
do about the WTO.
Resisters want to abolish the WTO
Some of the groups coming to Seattle are
supporters of the
resistance movement * arguing that the trade
liberalization program
of the WTO is fundamentally flawed and we would
be better simply
abolishing this dangerous organization. They argue
for building the
global resistance and constructing global solidarity
from below.
Reformers believe they can transform the WTO
Others, in particular much of organized labor argue
that while the
WTO trade liberalization program is deeply flawed,
it's now well
established as a powerful organization and that the
concept of
negotiated trade regulation is vital to the health and
welfare of the
world community. They argue that if core labor
rights,
environmental protections, and what the Europeans
refer to as a
"social clause" was inserted into the WTO's
mandate and practice that it could be transformed.
Resisters, reformers and rebels from around the
globe will be
gathering in Seattle later this month in a
remarkable international
solidarity action challenging the WTO's corporate
agenda. While
there are important tactical differences in
approaches to the WTO,
there is also a fair degree of unity in action and in
identifying the
WTO as an important global institution promoting
policies which
are contributing to the growth of inequality and
the undermining of democracy. The protest in
Seattle maybe be
both the last major, international demonstration of
the century and
the beginning of a new powerful global solidarity
movement.
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What are U up to Saul?
I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you may have
thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a better idea.
We will certainly love to hear that one too!
Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and responsible person
who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould not be out
here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we should have
by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
Yahya
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>Basiru,
>
>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of Ousainou's.
>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist of my
>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason or
>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or tribe.
>
>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism, produce
>it,
>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not familiar
>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
>
>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've said here,
>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each other.
>If
>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence to back
>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in sleaze,
>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or just shut
>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
>
>Saul.
>
>
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>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
>>
>>Saul,
>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up your mind
>>and stop
>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that Ousainou
>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou is
>>just
>>a
>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to recover
>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
>>Jammeh
>>
>>Thanxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>Basiru Ndow
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That was a great job Sahir.
Keep it up!
Greetings to all down there in Stockholm.
Yahya
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>On Thursday the 25th November I had a day on Gambia with Vendelsö Social
>Democrat Party in Haninge Sweden. As a member of the Swedish Social
>Democrat
>Party, I took the opportunity to present my native land to my colleagues to
>see what I can do for Gambia from Sweden. It all started when I was in the
>Gambia the last time in February this year. I was in Sukuta to visit one of
>my in laws working at the Sukuta hospital. She introduced me to the staff
>of
>the hospital and I was informed of the progress the villages where embark
>on
>to build an extension of the ward to cater for more beds. The villages
>themselves had to provide D10:- from each household to be able to meet the
>cost, because money was not avail from the authorities due to constraint
>economy. The building has been started but it is just halfway and a lot of
>money is needed for its completion.
>I made an interview with the staffs, the patients admitted there and
>documented every thing with the help of a home video and camera. I promised
>them to take with me the materials to Sweden and see what could be done as
>to render some assistance .
>My party was informed briefly when I came from Gambia, and we decided to
>have a day on Gambia to present to them what I had in my briefcase. So 25th
>November was decided and everyone was pleased with the materials presented
>and the next stage is to spot a day next year when we depart for Gambia to
>see in reality what's going on there. The chairman of (OGIS ) Mr. Papa
>Ousman Jeng was also invited and he was one of the speakers at the evening.
>So everyone is welcome to come up with any material or idea available to
>make the Swedish Social Democrat (Vendelö Section) know our country,
>especially Sukuta Village. This is just the first stage to the long journey
>awaiting us. We are going to have several studies in the future, before
>going to the Gambia, and for that matter I need as much material
>obtainable.
>A postgiro will be opened to help in collecting money for the Sukuta
>project.
>
>With Love
>Sahir Drammeh Spokesman/Treasurer (OGIS)
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Yaya, Yaya, Yaya...
Some things just don't change. Do they? Read my piece and read Alpha's
again, and ask yourself who the real tribalist is. Like they say around
here, "the mind is a terrible thing to waste." Use your mind Yaya!
Saul.
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>What are U up to Saul?
>I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
>Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you may have
>thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a better idea.
>We will certainly love to hear that one too!
>
>Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and responsible person
>who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould not be
>out
>here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
>Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we should
>have
>by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
>
>Yahya
>
>
>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
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>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:00:13 GMT
>>
>>Basiru,
>>
>>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of
>>Ousainou's.
>>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist of my
>>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason or
>>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or tribe.
>>
>>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism, produce
>>it,
>>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not familiar
>>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
>>
>>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've said
>>here,
>>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each other.
>>If
>>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence to
>>back
>>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in
>>sleaze,
>>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or just
>>shut
>>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
>>
>>Saul.
>>
>>
>>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: [Fwd: Reply to Alpha's Some proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
>>>
>>>Saul,
>>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up your
>>>mind
>>>and stop
>>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that Ousainou
>>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou is
>>>just
>>>a
>>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
>>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to recover
>>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
>>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
>>>Jammeh
>>>
>>>Thanxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>Basiru Ndow
>>>
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Gambians greetings,
I have been following the debate between Hallifa Sallah and the rest, but I
must confess that I am disappoited by Hallifa's adversary. The debate which
started with that unenlightened article by "Dr" Ayitteh and Shirima now is
getting all jumbled up and diverting to hit Hallifa's person and his
activities in the Gambia, while on the other hand he is accused of being a
fanatic or obssesed with Nyerere and Nkrumah. I think people should be
mature enough as Hallifa has demonstrated and that is to hit the point which
should be hit and when that is complete a new point could be created. The
issue is the article by those writers about Nyerere, and Hallifa gave a very
coherent and analytical response, and if anyone disagrees I think that
person should attack Hallifa's analysis and interpretation rather than to
claim that he is a fanatic. That is not the issue. I am a Pan-Afrikan
fanatic, and I am not bogged down in anyway or disturbed if today western
media wants to tell us that the Hamas or the GIA is a fanatic group, or that
Osama Ben Laden is a fanatic. That is their own tactic to destroy their
enemies and I have no problem with that. In fact it is not my business.
Similarly if Osama Ben Laden says that the USA is the enemy or the devil,
that is Osama's business, but I do not take that the devil is synonymous
with AmeriKKKa or that fanaticism is synonymous with Osama Ben Laden. When I
say am a PAn-Afrikan fanatic or obsessed with Nkrumah and his likes does not
mean I worship them, or put them on the same pedestal as the Angel Gabriel
or Muhammad (SAW). And the only reason I am obssessed with him is that he
fought for my freedom and advancement when I was not even aware of my own
degradation.And by reading his books I came to fully understand myself as an
Afrikan and the condition in which I am. He showed me this more than any
other teacher from primary to university. However when I analyse his life
and work obviously reason and intellect would have to be my guiding tool. I
cannot say how Hallifa's feeling stand with regards to Pan-Afrikanism, but
to make fanaticism the issue is misleading. If he is fanatic that is his
problem, but what we should be looking for is the content and quality of his
arguments. English football supporters are said to be the rudest hooligans,
which in this context simply means football fanatics. But the English press
likes to say hooligans, and that is purely strategic. The IRA and and its
allies in Ireland are not dubbed fanatic and seldom are they refered to as
terrorists. So these jargons are just used by other people for their own
purpose, but when we come down here to talk about serious matters let us not
get confused by these terms and misapply them. Let us tackle the issue. I
think what we can conclude is that finally Hallifa has won, because instead
of his critics tackle the issue concerning Nyerere and the facts, they
attacked his person and called him names, and get his activities in the
Gambia a top point. Let us exhaust the Nyerere issue, and if you think we
need to examine our politicians we can open another debate but then all
outstanding debates have been thoro'ly taken of. The amount of words, and
sometimes quite interesting words which I have never thought are in the
Queen's English, that have been used so far are all useless and for that
matter painful, when they could have been better saved for other relevant
issues. No amount of words and colourfulness can distort the truth. Let us
not behave like people with white masks in black skins.
madi
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Saul,
I mean, why are you taking such a stance. Its unproductive! very backward,
and can even be considered irresponsible! for that matter.
Off course, I did read your piece, and it doesn't sound positive.
I think you need to use your mind better! No body is going to be out here to
entertain such ideas! Robinson's piece was very educative and smart. A
better Gambia, is the agenda Saul, in case you missed the point!
Do you consider the out come of such ideas as "Tribalism"? what effects do
they have? Why are you puting energy on"Tribal" diversity?
I have been reading some of your wounderful pieces, and thought you were
more smart than this. Take a little research on that word "Tribe" and see if
it even fit our society! It has more wider meanings and effects than you may
think. We shall not entertain that Saul! be careful! its realy backwarded
and unproductive.
I think, if you dont have anything to add, or argue constructively,please
give chance to others who can come up better ideas concerning the progress
and prosperity of our people. We are not out here just for a matter of
challeging others.We are here to discuss ideas.Further more I will consider
this a waste of time and energy for you, because the average Gambian is very
well aware of the effects of this so called "tribal" issue." so please "lagg
av nu"
No hard feelings brother, "tribal" issues doesn't suit us! we are one.
Yahya
>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
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>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:14:31 GMT
>
>Yaya, Yaya, Yaya...
>
>Some things just don't change. Do they? Read my piece and read Alpha's
>again, and ask yourself who the real tribalist is. Like they say around
>here, "the mind is a terrible thing to waste." Use your mind Yaya!
>
>Saul.
>
>
>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
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>><[log in to unmask]>
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>>Subject: Re: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:42:32 PST
>>
>>What are U up to Saul?
>>I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
>>Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you may have
>>thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a better idea.
>>We will certainly love to hear that one too!
>>
>>Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and responsible
>>person
>>who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould not be
>>out
>>here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
>>Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we should
>>have
>>by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
>>
>>Yahya
>>
>>
>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:00:13 GMT
>>>
>>>Basiru,
>>>
>>>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of
>>>Ousainou's.
>>>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist of my
>>>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason or
>>>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or tribe.
>>>
>>>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism, produce
>>>it,
>>>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not
>>>familiar
>>>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
>>>
>>>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've said
>>>here,
>>>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each other.
>>>If
>>>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence to
>>>back
>>>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in
>>>sleaze,
>>>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or just
>>>shut
>>>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
>>>
>>>Saul.
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>Subject: [Fwd: Reply to Alpha's Some proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
>>>>
>>>>Saul,
>>>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up your
>>>>mind
>>>>and stop
>>>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that Ousainou
>>>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou is
>>>>just
>>>>a
>>>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
>>>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to recover
>>>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
>>>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
>>>>Jammeh
>>>>
>>>>Thanxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Basiru Ndow
>>>>
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<< No hard feelings brother, "tribal" issues doesn't suit us! we are one.
Yahya >>
***************************
l second this motion. Some of the issues raised by Saul have no bearing on
the subject raised by Alpha, and the allegations of tribalism, and even
comapring it to racism does nothing but to cause animosity between groups.
It is this sort of thing that has resulted in all the horrible internal
conflicts we have witnessed recently in Africa. l say we try to promote
harmony within the different groups in our country, and try to forge ahead
as Gambians, as opposed to tribes. The outcome will not be a good thing for
The Gambia or for those who are trying to fan the fires of discord. We as a
people are very intelligent, and l believe we can all decipher facts from
fiction, as well as what is in our best interest as a nation. Let us
concentrate on that. Anything else bears only ill omen. Peace, harmony and
positivism please.That is the only way we can come up with creative plans to
meet the needs of all Gambians, period. History has shown us that politics
based on tribalism is futile, and shows the distorted agenda, lack of vision
and dis-service to any nation by those who propose it or encourage it in
any form.Let us move on to more intelligent things.
Jabou Joh.
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From NewAfrican
There is a new twist to our story of January 1997 on Gambia's missing
millions. We revealed that $3m had been stashed
away in a secret bank account in Switzerland.
The man who banked the money was Captain Ebou Jallow, who had earlier
resigned after falling out with the Gambian
military junta before going into exile.
He claimed that the money had been transferred by the Central Bank of
Gambia to the Credit Lyonnnais Suisse bank in
Geneva on the express instructions of the Head of State President Yahya
Jammeh. Jallow had been a close confidant of
Jammeh and said that he had a full power of attorney and had transferred
the money on Jammeh's behalf.
This was the point at issue when the case was brought to trial one year
later in a Geneva court. The Swiss court found against
Jallow and ruled that he should forfeit the $3m held in his account. It
also ruled that the money should be paid back to the
Gambia government in due course.
Jallow was ordered to pay all costs including 90,000 Swiss francs in court
fees.
The fate of the $3m has now finally been decided in favour of the Gambian
government, but Gambian opposition leaders have
pointed to other amounts which also mysteriously vanished into foreign bank
accounts at about the same time.
Ouasinoe Darboe, the leader of the United Democratic Party, has frequently
questioned a further sum of $21.7m which were
held at Citibank (Switzerland) and Citibank (New York). Darboe alleges that
these amounts were deposited by Jallow in
accounts under the name of the then military ruler Yahya Jammeh.
The money had originally come from Taiwan and President Jammeh had sent
Jallow to sign the loan agreement on behalf of
the Republic of Gambia. The loan was released in two instalments. The
second valued at $30m was sent to the Citibank in
New York into a special development account.
At the same time the Governor of the Central Bank of Gambia was instructed
to write to the Taiwanese government to
confirm receipt of the loan funds. Yet it was clear that the funds had not
arrived in the Gambia.
A manager of Credit Lyonnais Suisse, Phillipe Bidawid later confirmed that
he had discussed with Jallow how some of this
money could be transferred into personal accounts of the military rulers.
Though the Geneva court has dealt with the $3m, the fate of the still
greater amounts of Taiwanese loan money has still not
been satisfactorily revealed.
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G-L community,
It would be unfortunate if tribal sentiments should become an issue =
here. Remember this is time for "self heal and nation". I believe we =
should just feel good as to who or what we, and put our tribal =
differences in the closet, and come out to pose a united front in =
solving our common problems. Let us not degenerate our constructive =
debates. That would be folly of us. So guys lets get to work and stop =
this demagoguery.
Regards,
Omar.
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Fra: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
Til: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Dato: 29. november 1999 17:10
Emne: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>Saul,
>I mean, why are you taking such a stance. Its unproductive! very =
backward,
>and can even be considered irresponsible! for that matter.
>Off course, I did read your piece, and it doesn't sound positive.
>
>I think you need to use your mind better! No body is going to be out =
here to
>entertain such ideas! Robinson's piece was very educative and smart. A
>better Gambia, is the agenda Saul, in case you missed the point!
>Do you consider the out come of such ideas as "Tribalism"? what effects =
do
>they have? Why are you puting energy on"Tribal" diversity?
>
>I have been reading some of your wounderful pieces, and thought you =
were
>more smart than this. Take a little research on that word "Tribe" and =
see if
>it even fit our society! It has more wider meanings and effects than =
you may
>think. We shall not entertain that Saul! be careful! its realy =
backwarded
>and unproductive.
>
>I think, if you dont have anything to add, or argue =
constructively,please
>give chance to others who can come up better ideas concerning the =
progress
>and prosperity of our people. We are not out here just for a matter of
>challeging others.We are here to discuss ideas.Further more I will =
consider
>this a waste of time and energy for you, because the average Gambian is =
very
>well aware of the effects of this so called "tribal" issue." so please =
"lagg
>av nu"
>
>No hard feelings brother, "tribal" issues doesn't suit us! we are one.
>
>Yahya
>
>
>
>
>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:14:31 GMT
>>
>>Yaya, Yaya, Yaya...
>>
>>Some things just don't change. Do they? Read my piece and read Alpha's
>>again, and ask yourself who the real tribalist is. Like they say =
around
>>here, "the mind is a terrible thing to waste." Use your mind Yaya!
>>
>>Saul.
>>
>>
>>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:42:32 PST
>>>
>>>What are U up to Saul?
>>>I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
>>>Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you may =
have
>>>thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a better =
idea.
>>>We will certainly love to hear that one too!
>>>
>>>Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and responsible
>>>person
>>>who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould not =
be
>>>out
>>>here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
>>>Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we =
should
>>>have
>>>by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
>>>
>>>Yahya
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>Subject: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:00:13 GMT
>>>>
>>>>Basiru,
>>>>
>>>>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of
>>>>Ousainou's.
>>>>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist =
of my
>>>>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason =
or
>>>>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or =
tribe.
>>>>
>>>>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism, =
produce
>>>>it,
>>>>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not
>>>>familiar
>>>>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
>>>>
>>>>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've =
said
>>>>here,
>>>>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each =
other.
>>>>If
>>>>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence =
to
>>>>back
>>>>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in
>>>>sleaze,
>>>>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or =
just
>>>>shut
>>>>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
>>>>
>>>>Saul.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>Subject: [Fwd: Reply to Alpha's Some proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
>>>>>
>>>>>Saul,
>>>>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up =
your
>>>>>mind
>>>>>and stop
>>>>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that =
Ousainou
>>>>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou =
is
>>>>>just
>>>>>a
>>>>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
>>>>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to =
recover
>>>>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never =
return
>>>>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
>>>>>Jammeh
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Basiru Ndow
>>>>>
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--------
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Dear Hamadi,
Kan you plese let me know how to get a copy of your collections.
For Freedom
Saiks
TO LENRIE PETERS
The ponds of Katchikali
have dried, and
the women fetch water
from the tears
of the revered crocodiles
Who cut open
the heart
of Katchikali?
Who sewed up
the eyes
of the dove?
Who killed
the keeper, and
let loose the game
to trample
on the farms
at dusk?
Who burnt
the lone palm tree
for soda water, and
threw the gourd
into the foamy waves
as the ship sailed
away with the cargo?
What are these footsteps
on the periphery
of Fajara cemetery?
Who cut down
the mangroves
to lit a bonfire
when we don't even know
how to dance
the sewruba?
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i think everyone of us has the right to express his or her feeling with
regards to any politician.most of you are hypocrites for criticising the
comments posted but others.bass and saul you people can write what ever you
want when ever you want.we all need to be forceful and be open when talking
about the disgruntled government of yaya jammeh instead of coming out with
the so call intellectual and bogus ideas that yield no fruit.yaya and his
cronies are missed up and what we need to do is to find ways to get rid of
them.most of you criticised people when they write their believes or point
of views which is really sickening.we are all gambians and we need to fight
for the betterment of our country with any means necessary.
>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:05:07 PST
>
>Saul,
>I mean, why are you taking such a stance. Its unproductive! very backward,
>and can even be considered irresponsible! for that matter.
>Off course, I did read your piece, and it doesn't sound positive.
>
>I think you need to use your mind better! No body is going to be out here
>to
>entertain such ideas! Robinson's piece was very educative and smart. A
>better Gambia, is the agenda Saul, in case you missed the point!
>Do you consider the out come of such ideas as "Tribalism"? what effects do
>they have? Why are you puting energy on"Tribal" diversity?
>
>I have been reading some of your wounderful pieces, and thought you were
>more smart than this. Take a little research on that word "Tribe" and see
>if
>it even fit our society! It has more wider meanings and effects than you
>may
>think. We shall not entertain that Saul! be careful! its realy backwarded
>and unproductive.
>
>I think, if you dont have anything to add, or argue constructively,please
>give chance to others who can come up better ideas concerning the progress
>and prosperity of our people. We are not out here just for a matter of
>challeging others.We are here to discuss ideas.Further more I will consider
>this a waste of time and energy for you, because the average Gambian is
>very
>well aware of the effects of this so called "tribal" issue." so please
>"lagg
>av nu"
>
>No hard feelings brother, "tribal" issues doesn't suit us! we are one.
>
>Yahya
>
>
>
>
>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
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>>Subject: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:14:31 GMT
>>
>>Yaya, Yaya, Yaya...
>>
>>Some things just don't change. Do they? Read my piece and read Alpha's
>>again, and ask yourself who the real tribalist is. Like they say around
>>here, "the mind is a terrible thing to waste." Use your mind Yaya!
>>
>>Saul.
>>
>>
>>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
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>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:42:32 PST
>>>
>>>What are U up to Saul?
>>>I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
>>>Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you may have
>>>thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a better
>>>idea.
>>>We will certainly love to hear that one too!
>>>
>>>Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and responsible
>>>person
>>>who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould not be
>>>out
>>>here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
>>>Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we should
>>>have
>>>by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
>>>
>>>Yahya
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
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>>>>Subject: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:00:13 GMT
>>>>
>>>>Basiru,
>>>>
>>>>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of
>>>>Ousainou's.
>>>>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist of my
>>>>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason or
>>>>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or tribe.
>>>>
>>>>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism, produce
>>>>it,
>>>>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not
>>>>familiar
>>>>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
>>>>
>>>>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've said
>>>>here,
>>>>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each
>>>>other.
>>>>If
>>>>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence to
>>>>back
>>>>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in
>>>>sleaze,
>>>>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or just
>>>>shut
>>>>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
>>>>
>>>>Saul.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>Subject: [Fwd: Reply to Alpha's Some proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
>>>>>
>>>>>Saul,
>>>>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up your
>>>>>mind
>>>>>and stop
>>>>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that
>>>>>Ousainou
>>>>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou is
>>>>>just
>>>>>a
>>>>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
>>>>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to recover
>>>>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
>>>>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
>>>>>Jammeh
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Basiru Ndow
>>>>>
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Yaya,
I don't know what's getting into you, but you're holding unto the wrong
vine! We (yourself and I) grew up in one of the most culturally eclectic
communities in the Gambia: SereKunda/Tallinding/LatriKunda. Mandingo, Jola,
Wollof, Serere, Manjago, Karoninka ... name it, it was there. If others
don't know this, Yaya, you do. We have mutual friends from virtually every
"tribe" in the Gambia. Remember my close friends: Dam Jeng, Sidia Badji,
Sheriff Newlands, Pa Leese Mendy, and the Jallow-Jallows? So I find it funny
that you're trying to paint me as a narrow-minded tribalist. Who are you
trying to impress? What are you trying to prove?
What is even more ironical is that, you're defending Alpha Robinson, your
knowledge of whom does not extend anywhere beyond his public persona. What
do you know about Alpha other than the fact that he was supposed to be the
firebrand Head Boy of GHS who caused a raucous at that school in the
mid-80s? Or the equally controversial fracas he was involved in in China in
'89. In some books, that qualifies Alpha as a progressive. Maybe he is. I
don't know anything about him beyond that. I have no ill will against the
guy. I, in fact subscribe to many of his proposals, and I've said this in my
original piece. But I do have a problem with the ethnic issue he raised.
I've challenged him to tell me who these "ethnic" campaigners are, and if
I'm wrong, I'll apologize. Alpha denied he is referring to Darbo and UDP,
but Basiru Ndow who first jumped to his defense, is honest enough to admit
that Darbo is in fact the politician Alpha is referring to just -as I knew
he was. Who's lying here? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see who
the target of his "ethnic" campaigning is. Like I told Alpha originally,
there's this ethnic nonsense going on, on all sides. Why insinuate that it's
one-sided? I've said, let's expose anyone individual guilty of this
divisiveness, and condemn him/her. What's tribalist about that?
A tribe-less society in Gambia is an ideal that we have to work towards. We
are not there yet. And not to be the devil's advocate, but I don't see us
getting there in our lifetime. We're doing better than our parents, and I
hope our children will fare better. But you cannot solve your problem by
pushing it under the rug. We have a tribal problem in the Gambia. And it's
not only the politicians that are guilty. It's any of us who perpetuate
stereotypes of one ethnic group or another, or laughs at jokes that ridicule
one group or another, or denies someone scholarship b/c of their ethnicity.
These are still the reality in the Gambia. I did not create this. To
pretend that it's not there would not solve it. We all need to come to terms
w/ this, put everything on the table, discuss it, see where everyone is
coming from, and heal our nation. Just like this society (US) is trying to
do. Otherwise, we can play dumb/naïve all we want, when the dust settles,
the problem will still be here. On both this forum and Gambianews.com, there
are occasional stories of how serious tribalism now is in the Gambia. And
from what I gather, it's not coming from the angle Alpha seems to suggest.
The fact that I dare discuss this so-called sensitive (some may say
explosive) issue should tell you s'thing about me. I just don't have
anything to hide or prove! Let's all summon our courage and face this tribal
issue. It won't go away by all of us sticking our heads up in the clouds
like you're doing Yaya. And, Yaya, you're not sophisticated only b/c you
don't know what "tribalism" is. Just visit the Gambia now, and no one will
need to remind you. Look at the changes going on in the army, the police,
and the overall civil service. If you can't see the obvious, god help you.
In any case, it's not fair for me to put more on your plate than you can
chew. If you can't comprehend, what I've been saying about this issue, good
luck. But, just to set the record straight, I did not start this "ethnic"
talk. Alpha did. If he were honest enough to mention the people he's
referring to originally, we would have put this to rest a long time ago.
Peace.
Saul
PS
If for some weird reason, this is your way of proving loyalty to Alpha, you
can call me a Backward Tribalist. I don't mind. I've never been bothered by
lies. You know that Yaya!
Saul
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>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:05:07 PST
>
>Saul,
>I mean, why are you taking such a stance. Its unproductive! very backward,
>and can even be considered irresponsible! for that matter.
>Off course, I did read your piece, and it doesn't sound positive.
>
>I think you need to use your mind better! No body is going to be out here
>to
>entertain such ideas! Robinson's piece was very educative and smart. A
>better Gambia, is the agenda Saul, in case you missed the point!
>Do you consider the out come of such ideas as "Tribalism"? what effects do
>they have? Why are you puting energy on"Tribal" diversity?
>
>I have been reading some of your wounderful pieces, and thought you were
>more smart than this. Take a little research on that word "Tribe" and see
>if
>it even fit our society! It has more wider meanings and effects than you
>may
>think. We shall not entertain that Saul! be careful! its realy backwarded
>and unproductive.
>
>I think, if you dont have anything to add, or argue constructively,please
>give chance to others who can come up better ideas concerning the progress
>and prosperity of our people. We are not out here just for a matter of
>challeging others.We are here to discuss ideas.Further more I will consider
>this a waste of time and energy for you, because the average Gambian is
>very
>well aware of the effects of this so called "tribal" issue." so please
>"lagg
>av nu"
>
>No hard feelings brother, "tribal" issues doesn't suit us! we are one.
>
>Yahya
>
>
>
>
>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
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>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:14:31 GMT
>>
>>Yaya, Yaya, Yaya...
>>
>>Some things just don't change. Do they? Read my piece and read Alpha's
>>again, and ask yourself who the real tribalist is. Like they say around
>>here, "the mind is a terrible thing to waste." Use your mind Yaya!
>>
>>Saul.
>>
>>
>>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
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>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:42:32 PST
>>>
>>>What are U up to Saul?
>>>I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
>>>Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you may have
>>>thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a better
>>>idea.
>>>We will certainly love to hear that one too!
>>>
>>>Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and responsible
>>>person
>>>who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould not be
>>>out
>>>here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
>>>Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we should
>>>have
>>>by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
>>>
>>>Yahya
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>Subject: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:00:13 GMT
>>>>
>>>>Basiru,
>>>>
>>>>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of
>>>>Ousainou's.
>>>>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist of my
>>>>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason or
>>>>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or tribe.
>>>>
>>>>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism, produce
>>>>it,
>>>>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not
>>>>familiar
>>>>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
>>>>
>>>>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've said
>>>>here,
>>>>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each
>>>>other.
>>>>If
>>>>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence to
>>>>back
>>>>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in
>>>>sleaze,
>>>>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or just
>>>>shut
>>>>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
>>>>
>>>>Saul.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>Subject: [Fwd: Reply to Alpha's Some proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
>>>>>
>>>>>Saul,
>>>>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up your
>>>>>mind
>>>>>and stop
>>>>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that
>>>>>Ousainou
>>>>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou is
>>>>>just
>>>>>a
>>>>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
>>>>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to recover
>>>>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
>>>>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
>>>>>Jammeh
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Basiru Ndow
>>>>>
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Mr. Brown,
You've lost me totally. I don't understand your point. Can you clarify?
Saul
>From: john brown <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:53:58 EST
>
>i think everyone of us has the right to express his or her feeling with
>regards to any politician.most of you are hypocrites for criticising the
>comments posted but others.bass and saul you people can write what ever you
>want when ever you want.we all need to be forceful and be open when talking
>about the disgruntled government of yaya jammeh instead of coming out with
>the so call intellectual and bogus ideas that yield no fruit.yaya and his
>cronies are missed up and what we need to do is to find ways to get rid of
>them.most of you criticised people when they write their believes or point
>of views which is really sickening.we are all gambians and we need to fight
>for the betterment of our country with any means necessary.
>
>
>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
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>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:05:07 PST
>>
>>Saul,
>>I mean, why are you taking such a stance. Its unproductive! very backward,
>>and can even be considered irresponsible! for that matter.
>>Off course, I did read your piece, and it doesn't sound positive.
>>
>>I think you need to use your mind better! No body is going to be out here
>>to
>>entertain such ideas! Robinson's piece was very educative and smart. A
>>better Gambia, is the agenda Saul, in case you missed the point!
>>Do you consider the out come of such ideas as "Tribalism"? what effects do
>>they have? Why are you puting energy on"Tribal" diversity?
>>
>>I have been reading some of your wounderful pieces, and thought you were
>>more smart than this. Take a little research on that word "Tribe" and see
>>if
>>it even fit our society! It has more wider meanings and effects than you
>>may
>>think. We shall not entertain that Saul! be careful! its realy backwarded
>>and unproductive.
>>
>>I think, if you dont have anything to add, or argue constructively,please
>>give chance to others who can come up better ideas concerning the progress
>>and prosperity of our people. We are not out here just for a matter of
>>challeging others.We are here to discuss ideas.Further more I will
>>consider
>>this a waste of time and energy for you, because the average Gambian is
>>very
>>well aware of the effects of this so called "tribal" issue." so please
>>"lagg
>>av nu"
>>
>>No hard feelings brother, "tribal" issues doesn't suit us! we are one.
>>
>>Yahya
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:14:31 GMT
>>>
>>>Yaya, Yaya, Yaya...
>>>
>>>Some things just don't change. Do they? Read my piece and read Alpha's
>>>again, and ask yourself who the real tribalist is. Like they say around
>>>here, "the mind is a terrible thing to waste." Use your mind Yaya!
>>>
>>>Saul.
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>Subject: Re: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:42:32 PST
>>>>
>>>>What are U up to Saul?
>>>>I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
>>>>Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you may have
>>>>thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a better
>>>>idea.
>>>>We will certainly love to hear that one too!
>>>>
>>>>Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and responsible
>>>>person
>>>>who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould not be
>>>>out
>>>>here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
>>>>Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we should
>>>>have
>>>>by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
>>>>
>>>>Yahya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>Subject: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:00:13 GMT
>>>>>
>>>>>Basiru,
>>>>>
>>>>>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of
>>>>>Ousainou's.
>>>>>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist of
>>>>>my
>>>>>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason or
>>>>>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or tribe.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism,
>>>>>produce
>>>>>it,
>>>>>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not
>>>>>familiar
>>>>>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've said
>>>>>here,
>>>>>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each
>>>>>other.
>>>>>If
>>>>>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence to
>>>>>back
>>>>>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in
>>>>>sleaze,
>>>>>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or just
>>>>>shut
>>>>>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
>>>>>
>>>>>Saul.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>Subject: [Fwd: Reply to Alpha's Some proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Saul,
>>>>>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up your
>>>>>>mind
>>>>>>and stop
>>>>>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that
>>>>>>Ousainou
>>>>>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou is
>>>>>>just
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
>>>>>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to recover
>>>>>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
>>>>>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
>>>>>>Jammeh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Basiru Ndow
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Omar,
I'm not surprised by what you've said, but where is the demagogy here? Who
doesn't feel good about who or what he is? Where are you picking that up?
Saul.
>From: Omar Drammeh <[log in to unmask]>
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>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: SV: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for
> Gambia-L
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:06:57 +0100
>
>G-L community,
>
>It would be unfortunate if tribal sentiments should become an issue here.
>Remember this is time for "self heal and nation". I believe we should just
>feel good as to who or what we, and put our tribal differences in the
>closet, and come out to pose a united front in solving our common problems.
>Let us not degenerate our constructive debates. That would be folly of us.
>So guys lets get to work and stop this demagoguery.
>
>Regards,
>Omar.
>
>
>-----Opprinnelig melding-----
>Fra: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
>Til: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>Dato: 29. november 1999 17:10
>Emne: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>
>
> >Saul,
> >I mean, why are you taking such a stance. Its unproductive! very
>backward,
> >and can even be considered irresponsible! for that matter.
> >Off course, I did read your piece, and it doesn't sound positive.
> >
> >I think you need to use your mind better! No body is going to be out here
>to
> >entertain such ideas! Robinson's piece was very educative and smart. A
> >better Gambia, is the agenda Saul, in case you missed the point!
> >Do you consider the out come of such ideas as "Tribalism"? what effects
>do
> >they have? Why are you puting energy on"Tribal" diversity?
> >
> >I have been reading some of your wounderful pieces, and thought you were
> >more smart than this. Take a little research on that word "Tribe" and see
>if
> >it even fit our society! It has more wider meanings and effects than you
>may
> >think. We shall not entertain that Saul! be careful! its realy backwarded
> >and unproductive.
> >
> >I think, if you dont have anything to add, or argue constructively,please
> >give chance to others who can come up better ideas concerning the
>progress
> >and prosperity of our people. We are not out here just for a matter of
> >challeging others.We are here to discuss ideas.Further more I will
>consider
> >this a waste of time and energy for you, because the average Gambian is
>very
> >well aware of the effects of this so called "tribal" issue." so please
>"lagg
> >av nu"
> >
> >No hard feelings brother, "tribal" issues doesn't suit us! we are one.
> >
> >Yahya
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >><[log in to unmask]>
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
> >>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:14:31 GMT
> >>
> >>Yaya, Yaya, Yaya...
> >>
> >>Some things just don't change. Do they? Read my piece and read Alpha's
> >>again, and ask yourself who the real tribalist is. Like they say around
> >>here, "the mind is a terrible thing to waste." Use your mind Yaya!
> >>
> >>Saul.
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >>><[log in to unmask]>
> >>>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>Subject: Re: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
> >>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:42:32 PST
> >>>
> >>>What are U up to Saul?
> >>>I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
> >>>Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you may
>have
> >>>thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a better
>idea.
> >>>We will certainly love to hear that one too!
> >>>
> >>>Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and responsible
> >>>person
> >>>who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould not
>be
> >>>out
> >>>here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
> >>>Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we should
> >>>have
> >>>by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
> >>>
> >>>Yahya
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >>>><[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>Subject: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
> >>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:00:13 GMT
> >>>>
> >>>>Basiru,
> >>>>
> >>>>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of
> >>>>Ousainou's.
> >>>>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist of
>my
> >>>>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason or
> >>>>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or
>tribe.
> >>>>
> >>>>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism,
>produce
> >>>>it,
> >>>>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not
> >>>>familiar
> >>>>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've said
> >>>>here,
> >>>>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each
>other.
> >>>>If
> >>>>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence to
> >>>>back
> >>>>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in
> >>>>sleaze,
> >>>>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or just
> >>>>shut
> >>>>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
> >>>>
> >>>>Saul.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>>Subject: [Fwd: Reply to Alpha's Some proposals for Gambia-L]
> >>>>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Saul,
> >>>>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up your
> >>>>>mind
> >>>>>and stop
> >>>>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that
>Ousainou
> >>>>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou
>is
> >>>>>just
> >>>>>a
> >>>>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
> >>>>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to recover
> >>>>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
> >>>>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
> >>>>>Jammeh
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Thanxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Basiru Ndow
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Dr. Saidy, congratulations! "The reward of a thing well done is to have
done it" says Emerson but yours goes one up on this one - it is a
testimonial to show the aspirants to this hard earned honor that it can be
done. Thank you. And, for the Nobel Prize - when you refuse to accept
anything but the best, you very often get it.
Soffie
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people were criticising you for the comments you made which i think is very
on fair.
>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
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>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:11:54 GMT
>
>Mr. Brown,
>
>You've lost me totally. I don't understand your point. Can you clarify?
>
>Saul
>
>
>>From: john brown <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:53:58 EST
>>
>>i think everyone of us has the right to express his or her feeling with
>>regards to any politician.most of you are hypocrites for criticising the
>>comments posted but others.bass and saul you people can write what ever
>>you
>>want when ever you want.we all need to be forceful and be open when
>>talking
>>about the disgruntled government of yaya jammeh instead of coming out with
>>the so call intellectual and bogus ideas that yield no fruit.yaya and his
>>cronies are missed up and what we need to do is to find ways to get rid of
>>them.most of you criticised people when they write their believes or point
>>of views which is really sickening.we are all gambians and we need to
>>fight
>>for the betterment of our country with any means necessary.
>>
>>
>>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:05:07 PST
>>>
>>>Saul,
>>>I mean, why are you taking such a stance. Its unproductive! very
>>>backward,
>>>and can even be considered irresponsible! for that matter.
>>>Off course, I did read your piece, and it doesn't sound positive.
>>>
>>>I think you need to use your mind better! No body is going to be out here
>>>to
>>>entertain such ideas! Robinson's piece was very educative and smart. A
>>>better Gambia, is the agenda Saul, in case you missed the point!
>>>Do you consider the out come of such ideas as "Tribalism"? what effects
>>>do
>>>they have? Why are you puting energy on"Tribal" diversity?
>>>
>>>I have been reading some of your wounderful pieces, and thought you were
>>>more smart than this. Take a little research on that word "Tribe" and see
>>>if
>>>it even fit our society! It has more wider meanings and effects than you
>>>may
>>>think. We shall not entertain that Saul! be careful! its realy backwarded
>>>and unproductive.
>>>
>>>I think, if you dont have anything to add, or argue constructively,please
>>>give chance to others who can come up better ideas concerning the
>>>progress
>>>and prosperity of our people. We are not out here just for a matter of
>>>challeging others.We are here to discuss ideas.Further more I will
>>>consider
>>>this a waste of time and energy for you, because the average Gambian is
>>>very
>>>well aware of the effects of this so called "tribal" issue." so please
>>>"lagg
>>>av nu"
>>>
>>>No hard feelings brother, "tribal" issues doesn't suit us! we are one.
>>>
>>>Yahya
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>Subject: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:14:31 GMT
>>>>
>>>>Yaya, Yaya, Yaya...
>>>>
>>>>Some things just don't change. Do they? Read my piece and read Alpha's
>>>>again, and ask yourself who the real tribalist is. Like they say around
>>>>here, "the mind is a terrible thing to waste." Use your mind Yaya!
>>>>
>>>>Saul.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>Subject: Re: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:42:32 PST
>>>>>
>>>>>What are U up to Saul?
>>>>>I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
>>>>>Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you may
>>>>>have
>>>>>thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a better
>>>>>idea.
>>>>>We will certainly love to hear that one too!
>>>>>
>>>>>Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and responsible
>>>>>person
>>>>>who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould not
>>>>>be
>>>>>out
>>>>>here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
>>>>>Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we should
>>>>>have
>>>>>by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
>>>>>
>>>>>Yahya
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>Subject: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:00:13 GMT
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Basiru,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of
>>>>>>Ousainou's.
>>>>>>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist of
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason or
>>>>>>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or
>>>>>>tribe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism,
>>>>>>produce
>>>>>>it,
>>>>>>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not
>>>>>>familiar
>>>>>>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've said
>>>>>>here,
>>>>>>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each
>>>>>>other.
>>>>>>If
>>>>>>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence to
>>>>>>back
>>>>>>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in
>>>>>>sleaze,
>>>>>>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or just
>>>>>>shut
>>>>>>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Saul.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>Subject: [Fwd: Reply to Alpha's Some proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Saul,
>>>>>>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up your
>>>>>>>mind
>>>>>>>and stop
>>>>>>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that
>>>>>>>Ousainou
>>>>>>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>just
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
>>>>>>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to recover
>>>>>>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
>>>>>>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
>>>>>>>Jammeh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Saul,
I`m not in any way trying to get at you, and I assume you know me better =
than that, so please bro dont get paranoid. I`ll however still hold my =
stand as to the fact these sentiments that are being surfaced right now =
wont get us no where, and I`m sure you`ll agree with me on that. And I =
dont expect that you`re the type who doesn`t feel good as to who he is =
or what his origins are, and if you are Saul why are you taking this =
stance of yours? Personally I dont feel you`re right here, but again =
this is a matter of opinion.
By the way greetings from Oslo, and good night!
Regards,
Omar.
-----Opprinnelig melding-----
Fra: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
Til: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Dato: 29. november 1999 21:17
Emne: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>Omar,
>
>I'm not surprised by what you've said, but where is the demagogy here? =
Who
>doesn't feel good about who or what he is? Where are you picking that =
up?
>
>Saul.
>
>
>>From: Omar Drammeh <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: SV: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for
>> Gambia-L
>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:06:57 +0100
>>
>>G-L community,
>>
>>It would be unfortunate if tribal sentiments should become an issue =
here.
>>Remember this is time for "self heal and nation". I believe we should =
just
>>feel good as to who or what we, and put our tribal differences in the
>>closet, and come out to pose a united front in solving our common =
problems.
>>Let us not degenerate our constructive debates. That would be folly of =
us.
>>So guys lets get to work and stop this demagoguery.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Omar.
>>
>>
>>-----Opprinnelig melding-----
>>Fra: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
>>Til: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>>Dato: 29. november 1999 17:10
>>Emne: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>
>>
>> >Saul,
>> >I mean, why are you taking such a stance. Its unproductive! very
>>backward,
>> >and can even be considered irresponsible! for that matter.
>> >Off course, I did read your piece, and it doesn't sound positive.
>> >
>> >I think you need to use your mind better! No body is going to be out =
here
>>to
>> >entertain such ideas! Robinson's piece was very educative and smart. =
A
>> >better Gambia, is the agenda Saul, in case you missed the point!
>> >Do you consider the out come of such ideas as "Tribalism"? what =
effects
>>do
>> >they have? Why are you puting energy on"Tribal" diversity?
>> >
>> >I have been reading some of your wounderful pieces, and thought you =
were
>> >more smart than this. Take a little research on that word "Tribe" =
and see
>>if
>> >it even fit our society! It has more wider meanings and effects than =
you
>>may
>> >think. We shall not entertain that Saul! be careful! its realy =
backwarded
>> >and unproductive.
>> >
>> >I think, if you dont have anything to add, or argue =
constructively,please
>> >give chance to others who can come up better ideas concerning the
>>progress
>> >and prosperity of our people. We are not out here just for a matter =
of
>> >challeging others.We are here to discuss ideas.Further more I will
>>consider
>> >this a waste of time and energy for you, because the average Gambian =
is
>>very
>> >well aware of the effects of this so called "tribal" issue." so =
please
>>"lagg
>> >av nu"
>> >
>> >No hard feelings brother, "tribal" issues doesn't suit us! we are =
one.
>> >
>> >Yahya
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> >><[log in to unmask]>
>> >>To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>Subject: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>> >>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:14:31 GMT
>> >>
>> >>Yaya, Yaya, Yaya...
>> >>
>> >>Some things just don't change. Do they? Read my piece and read =
Alpha's
>> >>again, and ask yourself who the real tribalist is. Like they say =
around
>> >>here, "the mind is a terrible thing to waste." Use your mind Yaya!
>> >>
>> >>Saul.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> >>><[log in to unmask]>
>> >>>To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>>Subject: Re: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>> >>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:42:32 PST
>> >>>
>> >>>What are U up to Saul?
>> >>>I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
>> >>>Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you =
may
>>have
>> >>>thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a =
better
>>idea.
>> >>>We will certainly love to hear that one too!
>> >>>
>> >>>Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and =
responsible
>> >>>person
>> >>>who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould =
not
>>be
>> >>>out
>> >>>here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
>> >>>Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we =
should
>> >>>have
>> >>>by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
>> >>>
>> >>>Yahya
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> >>>><[log in to unmask]>
>> >>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>>>Subject: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>> >>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:00:13 GMT
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Basiru,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of
>> >>>>Ousainou's.
>> >>>>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The =
gist of
>>my
>> >>>>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one =
reason or
>> >>>>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or
>>tribe.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism,
>>produce
>> >>>>it,
>> >>>>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not
>> >>>>familiar
>> >>>>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've =
said
>> >>>>here,
>> >>>>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at =
each
>>other.
>> >>>>If
>> >>>>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing =
evidence to
>> >>>>back
>> >>>>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage =
in
>> >>>>sleaze,
>> >>>>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or =
just
>> >>>>shut
>> >>>>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Saul.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>>>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>>>>Subject: [Fwd: Reply to Alpha's Some proposals for Gambia-L]
>> >>>>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Saul,
>> >>>>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up =
your
>> >>>>>mind
>> >>>>>and stop
>> >>>>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that
>>Ousainou
>> >>>>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all =
Ousainou
>>is
>> >>>>>just
>> >>>>>a
>> >>>>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by =
the
>> >>>>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to =
recover
>> >>>>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never =
return
>> >>>>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara =
or
>> >>>>>Jammeh
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Thanxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Basiru Ndow
>> >>>>>
>> =
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Hi!
Is there anyone on this list who is a pure Wollof, Mandinka, Jola, Fula
etc.? Does anyone know someone who is?
Buharry.
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In a message dated 11/29/99 3:39:41 PM Central Standard Time,
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<< Hi!
Is there anyone on this list who is a pure Wollof, Mandinka, Jola, Fula
etc.? Does anyone know someone who is?
Buharry. >>
**********************
Great question Buharry.
Jabou
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Assalaamu alaikum Buharry
Alhamdulillah. Well I am 'pure' Mandinka, Wollof, Serere. i.e. Jabang,
Mbayen, Nduren, Drammeh, Tabally, Jammeh, Demba.......and the list goes on
and on and on:). Did I say pure? Anyway, I treasure this 'pure mixture'.
BTW, some folks say Jabang is from Gassama Jabbi, but I'm not sure. Do you
have any idea? If so please add Gassama Jabi to the above list. Thank you
for your wise interjections. May Allah keep you well.
Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
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Thanks Mr. Brown,
At least someone sees what I'm saying.
Saul
>From: john brown <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:43:48 EST
>
>people were criticising you for the comments you made which i think is very
>on fair.
>
>
>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:11:54 GMT
>>
>>Mr. Brown,
>>
>>You've lost me totally. I don't understand your point. Can you clarify?
>>
>>Saul
>>
>>
>>>From: john brown <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:53:58 EST
>>>
>>>i think everyone of us has the right to express his or her feeling with
>>>regards to any politician.most of you are hypocrites for criticising the
>>>comments posted but others.bass and saul you people can write what ever
>>>you
>>>want when ever you want.we all need to be forceful and be open when
>>>talking
>>>about the disgruntled government of yaya jammeh instead of coming out
>>>with
>>>the so call intellectual and bogus ideas that yield no fruit.yaya and his
>>>cronies are missed up and what we need to do is to find ways to get rid
>>>of
>>>them.most of you criticised people when they write their believes or
>>>point
>>>of views which is really sickening.we are all gambians and we need to
>>>fight
>>>for the betterment of our country with any means necessary.
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:05:07 PST
>>>>
>>>>Saul,
>>>>I mean, why are you taking such a stance. Its unproductive! very
>>>>backward,
>>>>and can even be considered irresponsible! for that matter.
>>>>Off course, I did read your piece, and it doesn't sound positive.
>>>>
>>>>I think you need to use your mind better! No body is going to be out
>>>>here
>>>>to
>>>>entertain such ideas! Robinson's piece was very educative and smart. A
>>>>better Gambia, is the agenda Saul, in case you missed the point!
>>>>Do you consider the out come of such ideas as "Tribalism"? what effects
>>>>do
>>>>they have? Why are you puting energy on"Tribal" diversity?
>>>>
>>>>I have been reading some of your wounderful pieces, and thought you were
>>>>more smart than this. Take a little research on that word "Tribe" and
>>>>see
>>>>if
>>>>it even fit our society! It has more wider meanings and effects than you
>>>>may
>>>>think. We shall not entertain that Saul! be careful! its realy
>>>>backwarded
>>>>and unproductive.
>>>>
>>>>I think, if you dont have anything to add, or argue
>>>>constructively,please
>>>>give chance to others who can come up better ideas concerning the
>>>>progress
>>>>and prosperity of our people. We are not out here just for a matter of
>>>>challeging others.We are here to discuss ideas.Further more I will
>>>>consider
>>>>this a waste of time and energy for you, because the average Gambian is
>>>>very
>>>>well aware of the effects of this so called "tribal" issue." so please
>>>>"lagg
>>>>av nu"
>>>>
>>>>No hard feelings brother, "tribal" issues doesn't suit us! we are one.
>>>>
>>>>Yahya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>Subject: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:14:31 GMT
>>>>>
>>>>>Yaya, Yaya, Yaya...
>>>>>
>>>>>Some things just don't change. Do they? Read my piece and read Alpha's
>>>>>again, and ask yourself who the real tribalist is. Like they say around
>>>>>here, "the mind is a terrible thing to waste." Use your mind Yaya!
>>>>>
>>>>>Saul.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:42:32 PST
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What are U up to Saul?
>>>>>>I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
>>>>>>Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you may
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a better
>>>>>>idea.
>>>>>>We will certainly love to hear that one too!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and responsible
>>>>>>person
>>>>>>who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould not
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>out
>>>>>>here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
>>>>>>Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we
>>>>>>should
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yahya
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>Subject: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:00:13 GMT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Basiru,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of
>>>>>>>Ousainou's.
>>>>>>>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist of
>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason or
>>>>>>>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or
>>>>>>>tribe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism,
>>>>>>>produce
>>>>>>>it,
>>>>>>>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not
>>>>>>>familiar
>>>>>>>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've said
>>>>>>>here,
>>>>>>>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each
>>>>>>>other.
>>>>>>>If
>>>>>>>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>back
>>>>>>>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in
>>>>>>>sleaze,
>>>>>>>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or
>>>>>>>just
>>>>>>>shut
>>>>>>>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Saul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>Subject: [Fwd: Reply to Alpha's Some proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>>>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Saul,
>>>>>>>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up
>>>>>>>>your
>>>>>>>>mind
>>>>>>>>and stop
>>>>>>>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that
>>>>>>>>Ousainou
>>>>>>>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>just
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
>>>>>>>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to
>>>>>>>>recover
>>>>>>>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
>>>>>>>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
>>>>>>>>Jammeh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Basiru Ndow
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Mr. Buharry Gassama,
Believe it or not, my roots are Fula. All the reason why I cannot stand
s'one trying to sully the image of any particular group of people. No group
is monolithic. In fact, there is often more diversity within the group than
w/o. In any case, I'm tired of this whole thing, 'cause it's being turned
into s'thing of a freak show. I know we have a tribal problem in Gambia. If
people choose to ignore this in order to project false sophistry, that's
fine w/ me. In any case, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Peace.
Saul
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>Hi!
> Is there anyone on this list who is a pure Wollof, Mandinka, Jola,
>Fula
>etc.? Does anyone know someone who is?
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>Buharry.
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Can someone please verify the following information for me, and let me know
if it is true or false, and what the correct information is?
A business associate and l were making enquiries about shipping a container
of goods to Gambia and were told the following:
That for all containers of goods being shipped to Gambia now, the shipper has
to contact a French company called BIVVAK, and pay them $250.00 to obtain a
form to complete. This company will then do an inspection of the container (
not sure what this inspection is for) and clear the container before it can
be shipped? It is also my understanding that the customs duty to be paid once
the goods arrive in Gambia have nothing to do with this $250 fee to be paid
for this inspection form from the French company. It was also said that this
French company was contracted by the government to perform this service? Is
all this true? Can someone please shed some light on this? Any assistance
will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Jabou
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LS,
I think the extracts of Jammeh=92s speech to the APRC gathering at Brikama, =
posted by The Right,Left, and Centre Honourable, Lord, Dr, Professor, Sir, N=
ot-yet-Alhaji Lamin Camara, TGC, RBN (28th November) makes a good reading; n=
ot only the substance of the speech but the style. I find it derogatory and =
impudent to all intelligent Gambians. The tone of his speech could only be c=
ompared to those of Idi Amin, Mussolini, Bukasa, Adolf Hitler and leaders of=
the now defunct Soviet Union. There is no head of state in a civilized, dem=
ocratic and Lovely nation, such as The Gambia, who would use the word =93I=94=
(first person singular) when talking about the affairs of state. The terms =
are either =93WE=85=94 (meaning the people) or =94MY GOVERNMENT=85.=94 (As t=
he head of it).
The threats of =93I will deal with you in such a way=85=85.=94 .
And =93=85.Any day I get hold of you =85=85, I will deal with you as if=85=
.=94 are not only authoritarian and dictatorial but it contains some eleme=
nts of a lack of the rule of law, a flash-back to that avuncular head-teache=
r most Gambians confronted .
With regard to the substance of the speech, Jammeh equates the APRC with the=
PPP. =93Be it PPP or APRC, corruption is corruption=85=94 . This is an open=
acknowledgement that the APRC is no better than our =91ancien r=E9gime=92, =
but one thing we can all agree to is that, the PPP were impeccable during th=
eir first five years in office. How long is Jammeh in office?
I must say admit that I am one of those who believe that a corrupt public se=
rvice official should be thrown into a spitting VULCANO, without mercy. But =
this should be done by the state, through LAW and JUSTICE, and Not by ONE MA=
N.
PS
Lamin, Please do not degrade our President by reducing his names. You either=
forgot or omitted the names Pateh, Peter or James. Next time add them.
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I received this daily joke and I thought it was funny enough to share -- it
made me laugh before I headed out to work this morning.
Enjoy!
Awa Sey
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A businessman boards an airplane to find that his neighbor in first class is
a parrot. They take off and the stewardess asks what they would like to drink.
"Glenlivet on the rocks with a twist," says the parrot. The businessman
orders a Coke.
After waiting two or three minutes, the bird starts yelling, "Where's my
drink? Stop fooling around and give me my drink!"
The stewardess runs to him with his glass, leaving the businessman still
thirsty.
Half an hour later the stewardess makes a second round. The bird orders
another Glenlivet and a Wall Street Journal. The businessman asks politely
for the Coke he never got.
Again, after waiting a couple of minutes, the bird screams, squawking, "Are
you lazy or stupid? I want my drink, and don't forget my paper!" The poor
stewardess nearly trips over herself getting the parrot his drink and the
newspaper.
The businessman still has nothing, and after ten more minutes decides to take
his cue from the bird. "Hey! Bring me my Coke right now!" he shouts.
Out of nowhere the stewardess, the captain and two passengers grab the
businessman and the bird, open the hatch and throw them out of the plane.
At 30,000 feet in the air the two fall side by side and the parrot says to
the terrified man, "Wow, that took a lot of guts for a guy with no wings."
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:36:26 -0800
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Yes sister jabou it is true and those fees have nothing to do with customs duty.
My cousin told me about it three months ago and I raised the issue on the L -RE
economic development to be done in small steps not giant leaps.
What the company does is to certify the contents so people cannot commit fraud
and lie on the forms or invoices as the what they are shipping. The Gambia
customs then will assess their own duty based on this independent report. It is
an advance form of double-checking but will make the cost of shipping items much
higher . These people must be paid for their time and services- i.e. the $250
plus on each container.
It is not a bad idea but it is VERY PREMATURE for us yet. It could have been done
in gradual stages. If you check the archives you will find my input .
Unfortunately I have deleted all of mine to clean up and get more space.
We are moving at a very fast space- literally running before we can walk.
All of this is because of a few dishonest people so we all have to pay the price.
It is not completely the fault of the Government to be fair.
This is my humble opinion . My experiences with the Chamber of commerce exposed
me to such reports. Example in the USA to export food the USDA have to issue
,health certificates ,protasanitary cert., vet cert. ICO standards cert but the
US company pays those costs not the importer. -just shedding some light here on
this new subject
Habib Diab Ghanim
Jabou Joh wrote:
> Can someone please verify the following information for me, and let me know
> if it is true or false, and what the correct information is?
>
> A business associate and l were making enquiries about shipping a container
> of goods to Gambia and were told the following:
>
> That for all containers of goods being shipped to Gambia now, the shipper has
> to contact a French company called BIVVAK, and pay them $250.00 to obtain a
> form to complete. This company will then do an inspection of the container (
> not sure what this inspection is for) and clear the container before it can
> be shipped? It is also my understanding that the customs duty to be paid once
> the goods arrive in Gambia have nothing to do with this $250 fee to be paid
> for this inspection form from the French company. It was also said that this
> French company was contracted by the government to perform this service? Is
> all this true? Can someone please shed some light on this? Any assistance
> will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Jabou
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:27:43 EST
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Habib,
Thanks for the info. Your posting must have fallen victim to my delete button
or something. Well, l am also familiar with all the various shipping
documents that accompany international shipments, but as you said, the seller
is responsible for these. l guess this is a way to ascertain that all goods
are declared, but it also is a sure deterrent to would be importers, myself
included.l just hope that this company does not give a monetary value to the
goods based on what they think they are worth, as opposed to verifying
invoices.l appreciate it.
Jabou
In a message dated 11/29/99 7:39:20 PM Central Standard Time,
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Yes sister jabou it is true and those fees have nothing to do with customs
duty.
My cousin told me about it three months ago and I raised the issue on the L
-RE
economic development to be done in small steps not giant leaps.
What the company does is to certify the contents so people cannot commit
fraud
and lie on the forms or invoices as the what they are shipping. The Gambia
customs then will assess their own duty based on this independent report. It
is
an advance form of double-checking but will make the cost of shipping items
much
higher . These people must be paid for their time and services- i.e. the $250
plus on each container.
It is not a bad idea but it is VERY PREMATURE for us yet. It could have been
done
in gradual stages. If you check the archives you will find my input .
Unfortunately I have deleted all of mine to clean up and get more space.
We are moving at a very fast space- literally running before we can walk.
All of this is because of a few dishonest people so we all have to pay the
price.
It is not completely the fault of the Government to be fair.
This is my humble opinion . My experiences with the Chamber of commerce
exposed
me to such reports. Example in the USA to export food the USDA have to issue
,health certificates ,protasanitary cert., vet cert. ICO standards cert but
the
US company pays those costs not the importer. -just shedding some light here
on
this new subject
Habib Diab Ghanim
>>
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Saul,
There has always been, and will always be inherent conflicts that
exist between individuals and peoples. These conflicts formed the basis of
struggles for perpetuation of ideals, values, ideologies, aims and
aspirations of one group of the society against another group or groups of
people. These groupings may not necessarily have to be along tribal lines.
Within the framework of an organized society, the struggles between such
individuals and peoples, who have freely or supposedly subjugated their
rights to the supremacy of a constitution and a democratic process, is the
mechanism through which the outcome of such struggles are determined.
Rene Badjan
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Hi folks,
I'm sending this brief e-mail to follow-up on responses to my Open Letter to
His Excellency, President Jammeh, and Abdoulaye Saines summary of suggested
proposals and strategies for fostering national development through dialog.
It's been really nice reading through numerous postings on the issues, and I
only hope that the spirit continues to thrive in all of us.
In that same spirit, I'd like to touch on a few issues:
1. Intellectual? I saw online version of it at "The Independent" newspapers
Website, and I cracked up! The intro read:" A US-based Gambian intellectual,
Katim S. Touray, Ph.D ..." I didn't write the letter as an intellectual, but
as a concerned Gambian. And I hope that everybody realizes that you don't have
to be an intellectual (whatever that means) to get a pen and paper (or fire up
your computer), gather your thoughts, and say what's on your mind.
2. Confrontational? It was suggested that the letter was perhaps a bit too
confrontational, and further that this was inappropriate in light of it's
intent to enhance dialog. I would like to say that if the letter came across
as too confrontational, it was only because I failed to adequately express my
intention, and not that I wanted to be confrontational from the start. My aim,
simply, was to bring what I thought were important issues to the attention of
the President, and indeed the world at large, with a view toward helping start
a process that will lead to their amicable resolution. If anyone felt that the
letter was confrontational, I would like to beg his or her pardon.
3. Meet the President? Who, me? Someone also suggested that I should travel
to The Gambia and have a fact to face meeting with the President. I agree with
another subscriber who thought the idea of a face to face meeting not
practical, and probably not useful. In addition, I would like to add that I
have no intention in being intimately involved with whatever process, if any,
comes out of my letter or related efforts. This sounds rather hypocritical, so
let me explain.
As far as I'm know, there are a lot of Gambians who are more educated, older,
wiser, and more experienced than me that are out there, and whose talents in my
mind, are not being used to the max. For this reason, I would rather have such
people, as elders, lead the way in our search for the most viable way to an
atmosphere of peace, political freedom, and prosperity. Hence, what I have in
mind is for a process to start where various people will be indentified who
will be willing to form a committee, or commission to develop a framework for
guaranteeing human rights in The Gambia thereby ensuring that everyone can live
in peace (of mind and body) and work toward achieving their potential. I
assume that like everyone else, I will be able to send whatever suggestions or
ideas to the committee of elders whenever it's formed, and functioning.
4. The above leads me to a number of suggestions that were summarized in
Abdoulaye Saine's posting available online at:
http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?A2=ind9911&L=gambia-l&O=A&P=46994
a) The idea of a committee of 10 is great, except for the fact that it's
members should not be restricted to Gambia-L subscribers. Along the lines of
the committee or commission I refer to above, I suggest that we reach out into
the Gambian communities both at home and abroad. I suggest we include not only
politicians (retired, and active) but also religious leaders, Gambian
academicians, and International civil servants. Finally, the committee should
work closely with Gambian organizations both at home and abroad to ensure that
as many people as possible are engaged in the process. This will be perhaps
the only way to ensure a rich, healthy, and in the end fruitful process.
b) Another problem I have with the idea of a Gambia-L committee of 10 is that
it sounds a little too elitist. True, there are many people that subscribe to
Gambia-L, but I'm not sure whether it still should be seen as THE gathering of
our nation's best. I'm sorry, but I don't think so. And there are many people
without e-mail that have more to contribute than me, with my many e-mail
accounts. Furthermore, some of the projects I see envisoned for the committee
will, I think, be best performed by an independent body, as in a human rights
watch dog. In the event that enough people find it important to form a human
rights organization, I'd say more power to them. But I think the strongest
role Gambia-L can, and should play, is to serve as a forum for exchanging ideas
and information. What people do with those ideas is up to them.
c) I noticed that Abdboulaye's summary includes a section on social and
economic development issues. I think we should first concentrate on enhancing
democracy and human rights, and take on the other issues later. Nothing is
possible without peace, which is under constant threat if people are not
accorded basic human rights. This by no means implies that others are not free
to work on those social and economic issues that are dear to their hearts.
GESO, and the book project are wonderful examples of the world of good that can
happen when people work together.
d) I promised that this was going to be short, and so I should be keeping it
that way. But before I sign off, I'd like to suggest a few ways we can go
about getting the dialog going:
i) I nominate Dr. Abdoulaye Saine as the coordinator for efforts at
identifying potential members of, and forming a committee to oversee the dialog
process. I should mention that I have talked to him on the phone and told him
that I will present this suggestion to the list, and he agreed.
ii) I suggest that anyone who would like to nominate a candidate for the
committee first check with the person he/she wants to nominate, and then
forward the person's name, contact info, and perhaps a brief bio to Dr. Saine.
iii) We also have to decide how committee members will be selected. Rather
than taking votes on Gambia-L, I suggest we identify key interest groups (e.g.
the government, political parties, religious groups, etc.), and have them
endorse or nominate people who can speak on their behalf, and represent their
interests.
iv) We should also start thinking about how to get the ball rolling. Given
that Dr. Saine will be calling a lot of people, and writing a lot of letters, I
suggest that he prepare a small budget to pay for his phone calls, and other
expenses. He can send it to the list, and anyone who wants to contribute can
send him the money. Any amount that's left over after he is done with the
preliminary work of putting the committee together will be handed over to the
committee for them to use in their work.
I guess that's about all for now. Thanks so much to all of you for taking the
time to discuss issues of great national signifcance. Like I tell my friends,
the only difference between us and donkeys are that we argue, and they don't!
Please let's keep it that way. Have a great week, and best wishes in your
endeavors.
Katim
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> Subject: Proposal and Strategies: A Summary
> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 9:52 AM
>
> G-L Community:
>
> What follows is a summary of the various proposals and strategies that
> were posted on the Bantaba and to me privately. I found them to be
> thoughtful and reflective of the twin themes of "National
> Reconciliation" and "Positive/Constructive Engagement" with president
> Jammeh, his Government, the National Assembly, Political parties and
> other institutions and groups in Gambia's civil society. In looking at
> all the postings on the issue, several key categories emerged.
>
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May his Soul Rest In Peace.
Malanding Jaiteh
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Gambia L-Community,
This one is in memory of a dear brother, friend and colleague who departed
this life on the 31st of December 1989. It`s been a decade long and as we
approach the next millennium I would like to pay homage to Ebou Ceesay.
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John, Bass, Saul, Yaya and the rest, if I were anyone of you, I would
discuss Alpha's beautiful piece and not the matter born from the piece. I
have read your earlier comments on different topics and was really impressed
by all you wonderful guys. I would suggest each of you to rest his case and
contribute to the "hot cake".
Let's get back to Alpha's and Dr Saine's ideas and not matters that
contributes nothing to our society but differences. I would love to read
what you all have to say on the above topics. Just a piece of advise, I hope
I did not offend anyone.
Thanx
Secka
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>In a message dated 11/29/99 3:39:41 PM Central Standard Time,
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><< Hi!
> Is there anyone on this list who is a pure Wollof, Mandinka, Jola,
>Fula
> etc.? Does anyone know someone who is?
>
> Buharry. >>
>**********************
>Great question Buharry.
>
>Jabou
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:57:07 PST
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Saul,
If you realy mean what you are saying, why beating the bush then? You
rigthly confirmed that your friends where within all these so called
"Tribal" groupings.
Certainly, am not trying to impress anyone! and am telling you that, am not
defending Robinson as a person! am talking about his proposal. You see,
maybe you dont know the brother, and I guess that is the reason for all this
noise, but I find it strange you talking about me like the way you did, you
possibly know me? and if you do you may know aswell that I am not the type
who tries to impress people! about what??
Well, lets not get imotional. I guess this is nothing personal but a
gathering of ideas and thoughts. I am not here to tell you who is Alpha and
my knowledge about him. I will not be doing favour to the panell for doing
so! however, the impression I got in his piece will be substantial to
elaborate on.
The brother was concern with the unfortunate ample supply of problems in the
Gambia, and atleast came out with some humble ideas about how to solve them.
We are certain that the problems will not disapear magically by themselves,
they most be solved, or atleast managed! what proposals do you have for
that? One thing I know is that, in order to solve these problems we will
not put faith in ethnicsm, nor to someone with his/her panaceas, this we
shall consider to be naive and irresponsible. Large scale( meaning
collectively) ,concerted efforts by determined people should be the work
force of this agenda.You believe it or not, your idea and believe cannot
suscribe to such!
Therefore, Saul! If you are willing or about teach us about our origins, and
what we should know, I would be with the opinion that you first develop a
process of awareness of the nature and gravity of the challenges in the
Gambia, the complex situation and if there is any solution to it! that is
what I expect to hear from you not about me personaly or Robinson! that is
nonesense!
I think any genuine person, will understand that the process of development
should avoid the festering of such backward ideas of yours,"Tribal" issues!
The proposals Alpha raised came at a time when the expectation became demand
on the economic and political machinery that are inevitably unmet, giving
rise to frustration and outrage.What examples did you learned from this?
experienced! otherwise from other nations who had been in the same
situation? What do policy makers do in such situations? To some extend we
can take refuge to history! I thought we should have therefore, enhance
peaceful and well defined manners with the mind of nation building. That was
the essence of that wounderful piece of Alpha! The problem is there, and we
shall not try to avoid grappling with those problems we already admit!We
should not either, exihibit a childlike faith that a divine intervention
will solve them. What am saying is that, we could have by now been
discussing other productive questions than this. Well, that seems not to be
the case here, as we are permitted to engage in happier pursuits for the
sake of writing!
Anyway, Saul I am certain that there is a common goal, and without doubt we
are all suscribing to a better Gambia, and the appropriation of the forces
to build that is nothing more than the development of ideas corresponding to
individual way of annalysing. In order to achieve state objectives, I am
well aware that we can deffer in policies and believe me there is nothing
personal with that, you are entittle to your opinion.But we shall most
candidly and deffinately not tollarate the idea of "Tribalism". We are
concern with the development of the Gambia, which I believe should
strongly be policies based on collectivism including all at large! In this
regard,I believe that it is our duty to be betttressed by our obligations,
to drive us to try the most prudent action possible, and that is what this
panel I supossed is asking about! What do you have in the closset to offer?
Saul, please dont be emotional, its the GL that put us together which I
thought is a great thing. That we can even discuss something of this nature,
that is great! Just be reasonable and dont attack on the person, evaluate on
the topic. I dont know you so I guess I cant say anything about you and even
if I do, it would not be on the GL. It is not a personal corresponding
pannel!
Peace brother Saul.
Yahya
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>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:03:30 GMT
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>Yaya,
>
>I don't know what's getting into you, but you're holding unto the wrong
>vine! We (yourself and I) grew up in one of the most culturally eclectic
>communities in the Gambia: SereKunda/Tallinding/LatriKunda. Mandingo, Jola,
>Wollof, Serere, Manjago, Karoninka ... name it, it was there. If others
>don't know this, Yaya, you do. We have mutual friends from virtually every
>"tribe" in the Gambia. Remember my close friends: Dam Jeng, Sidia Badji,
>Sheriff Newlands, Pa Leese Mendy, and the Jallow-Jallows? So I find it
>funny
>that you're trying to paint me as a narrow-minded tribalist. Who are you
>trying to impress? What are you trying to prove?
>
>What is even more ironical is that, you're defending Alpha Robinson, your
>knowledge of whom does not extend anywhere beyond his public persona. What
>do you know about Alpha other than the fact that he was supposed to be the
>firebrand Head Boy of GHS who caused a raucous at that school in the
>mid-80s? Or the equally controversial fracas he was involved in in China in
>'89. In some books, that qualifies Alpha as a progressive. Maybe he is. I
>don't know anything about him beyond that. I have no ill will against the
>guy. I, in fact subscribe to many of his proposals, and I've said this in
>my
>original piece. But I do have a problem with the ethnic issue he raised.
>I've challenged him to tell me who these "ethnic" campaigners are, and if
>I'm wrong, I'll apologize. Alpha denied he is referring to Darbo and UDP,
>but Basiru Ndow who first jumped to his defense, is honest enough to admit
>that Darbo is in fact the politician Alpha is referring to just -as I knew
>he was. Who's lying here? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see
>who
>the target of his "ethnic" campaigning is. Like I told Alpha originally,
>there's this ethnic nonsense going on, on all sides. Why insinuate that
>it's
>one-sided? I've said, let's expose anyone individual guilty of this
>divisiveness, and condemn him/her. What's tribalist about that?
>
>A tribe-less society in Gambia is an ideal that we have to work towards. We
>are not there yet. And not to be the devil's advocate, but I don't see us
>getting there in our lifetime. We're doing better than our parents, and I
>hope our children will fare better. But you cannot solve your problem by
>pushing it under the rug. We have a tribal problem in the Gambia. And it's
>not only the politicians that are guilty. It's any of us who perpetuate
>stereotypes of one ethnic group or another, or laughs at jokes that
>ridicule
>one group or another, or denies someone scholarship b/c of their ethnicity.
>These are still the reality in the Gambia. I did not create this. To
>pretend that it's not there would not solve it. We all need to come to
>terms
>w/ this, put everything on the table, discuss it, see where everyone is
>coming from, and heal our nation. Just like this society (US) is trying to
>do. Otherwise, we can play dumb/naïve all we want, when the dust settles,
>the problem will still be here. On both this forum and Gambianews.com,
>there
>are occasional stories of how serious tribalism now is in the Gambia. And
>from what I gather, it's not coming from the angle Alpha seems to suggest.
>
>The fact that I dare discuss this so-called sensitive (some may say
>explosive) issue should tell you s'thing about me. I just don't have
>anything to hide or prove! Let's all summon our courage and face this
>tribal
>issue. It won't go away by all of us sticking our heads up in the clouds
>like you're doing Yaya. And, Yaya, you're not sophisticated only b/c you
>don't know what "tribalism" is. Just visit the Gambia now, and no one will
>need to remind you. Look at the changes going on in the army, the police,
>and the overall civil service. If you can't see the obvious, god help you.
>In any case, it's not fair for me to put more on your plate than you can
>chew. If you can't comprehend, what I've been saying about this issue, good
>luck. But, just to set the record straight, I did not start this "ethnic"
>talk. Alpha did. If he were honest enough to mention the people he's
>referring to originally, we would have put this to rest a long time ago.
>
>Peace.
>
>Saul
>
>PS
>If for some weird reason, this is your way of proving loyalty to Alpha, you
>can call me a Backward Tribalist. I don't mind. I've never been bothered by
>lies. You know that Yaya!
>
>Saul
>
>
>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
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>>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:05:07 PST
>>
>>Saul,
>>I mean, why are you taking such a stance. Its unproductive! very backward,
>>and can even be considered irresponsible! for that matter.
>>Off course, I did read your piece, and it doesn't sound positive.
>>
>>I think you need to use your mind better! No body is going to be out here
>>to
>>entertain such ideas! Robinson's piece was very educative and smart. A
>>better Gambia, is the agenda Saul, in case you missed the point!
>>Do you consider the out come of such ideas as "Tribalism"? what effects do
>>they have? Why are you puting energy on"Tribal" diversity?
>>
>>I have been reading some of your wounderful pieces, and thought you were
>>more smart than this. Take a little research on that word "Tribe" and see
>>if
>>it even fit our society! It has more wider meanings and effects than you
>>may
>>think. We shall not entertain that Saul! be careful! its realy backwarded
>>and unproductive.
>>
>>I think, if you dont have anything to add, or argue constructively,please
>>give chance to others who can come up better ideas concerning the progress
>>and prosperity of our people. We are not out here just for a matter of
>>challeging others.We are here to discuss ideas.Further more I will
>>consider
>>this a waste of time and energy for you, because the average Gambian is
>>very
>>well aware of the effects of this so called "tribal" issue." so please
>>"lagg
>>av nu"
>>
>>No hard feelings brother, "tribal" issues doesn't suit us! we are one.
>>
>>Yahya
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
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>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:14:31 GMT
>>>
>>>Yaya, Yaya, Yaya...
>>>
>>>Some things just don't change. Do they? Read my piece and read Alpha's
>>>again, and ask yourself who the real tribalist is. Like they say around
>>>here, "the mind is a terrible thing to waste." Use your mind Yaya!
>>>
>>>Saul.
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
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>>>>Subject: Re: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:42:32 PST
>>>>
>>>>What are U up to Saul?
>>>>I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
>>>>Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you may have
>>>>thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a better
>>>>idea.
>>>>We will certainly love to hear that one too!
>>>>
>>>>Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and responsible
>>>>person
>>>>who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould not be
>>>>out
>>>>here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
>>>>Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we should
>>>>have
>>>>by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
>>>>
>>>>Yahya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
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>>>>>Subject: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:00:13 GMT
>>>>>
>>>>>Basiru,
>>>>>
>>>>>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of
>>>>>Ousainou's.
>>>>>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist of
>>>>>my
>>>>>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason or
>>>>>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or tribe.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism,
>>>>>produce
>>>>>it,
>>>>>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not
>>>>>familiar
>>>>>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've said
>>>>>here,
>>>>>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each
>>>>>other.
>>>>>If
>>>>>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence to
>>>>>back
>>>>>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in
>>>>>sleaze,
>>>>>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or just
>>>>>shut
>>>>>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
>>>>>
>>>>>Saul.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
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>>>>>>Subject: [Fwd: Reply to Alpha's Some proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Saul,
>>>>>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up your
>>>>>>mind
>>>>>>and stop
>>>>>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that
>>>>>>Ousainou
>>>>>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou is
>>>>>>just
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
>>>>>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to recover
>>>>>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
>>>>>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
>>>>>>Jammeh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Basiru Ndow
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:33:02 PST
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Saul Khan,
I saw the piece you sent to Alpha Robinson in private, and I don't think I
can even find the right words to describe how disappointed I was when I read
your material.
Actually, your piece reminded me of what a leading African political
scientist remarked to me, during a seminar I attended, just last week, in
Bristol, UK.
Having heard me speak with lucidity and enthusiasm about my vision for
Africa in the 21st century, the political scientist remarked to me, during
lunch break as follows: "Mr Ceesay, I enjoyed your talk...but I am no longer
moved by good speeches. Why? Because many of us who are fortunate to be
articulate in speaking and eloquent in writing are the very ones who put
Africa in the mess in which it finds itself today"...
He continued: "rather than help clarify complex issues for our people, so
that they can make the right choices, many of us who are bright are only
good at confusing our people, by injecting into their minds, very backward
ideas such tribalism etc, ideas that do no good anyone, except harm to a
whole Nation"...
Now, having read Saul Khan's private e-mail to Alpha Robinson, I am
convinced, more than before, that what the political scientist told me the
other day, in Bristol, does hold water, or some truth.
Gambia L, I am afraid to say this, but if Saul's private e-mail to Alpha is
anything to go by, then Saul could be a fitting example of one of those
bright Africans - mentioned by the political scientist - who, instead of
clarifying complex issues for their people, are bringing out to the fore,
irrelevant issues that would only create more havoc and chaos on the African
Continent.
No one who has been reading Saul's contributions to the L can deny the fact
that the guy is bright and very eloquent. In fact, I must say here that I,
for one, did enjoy reading most of his postings; and, needlessly to say, I
also did learn a lot from his contributions.
But having said that I must say I was very disappointed when I read the
content of the private e-mail he sent to Alpha Robinson. I would never have
expected a brilliant guy like Saul to have come up with such an unfortunate
e-mail, a mail whose content, in my view, was irresponsible, retrogressing
and, above all, more likely to divide our people, instead of uniting them.
And, besides, as my able sister, Jabou Joh pointed out yesterday, some of
the issues raised by Saul "have no bearing on the subject raised by Alpha."
Frankly speaking, I would have expected a guy like Saul - given his wit and
acuity - to have taken the lead in warning against tribalism in Africa in
general, and the Gambia in particular, instead of coming of with
remarks/sentiments that could, in fact, stir up trouble in our society.
Sincerely, some of the sentiments expressed by Saul in his e-mail to Alpha
are, to say the least, very worrying and disappointing. But I, for one, have
found consolation in the fact that Gambians have now become more politically
mature and more critically minded.
Henceforth, no one can take the majority of the Gambian people for a ride.
Many Gambians can now distinguish between what is sincere and what is not
sincere; what is truthful and what is unreal; what is progressive and what
is retrogressive; what brings peace and harmony and what stirs up trouble.
I am sure all right thinking Gambians on the L, and outside the L, will
never entertain some of the views expressed by Saul in his private mail to
Alpha.
The economic and political problem facing our Nation, on the eve of the new
millennium, are quite enormous; and, really, what we need to do, or occupy
our minds with, is to try and come up with concrete ideas on how we can
build a much more better Gambia, for all of us, in the 21st century.
I am in for a debate, but it has to be a very healthy one, which is
conducted with respect, maturity, decency, clarity, sincerity and
truthfulness.
In my view, a healthy debate among ourselves is very necessary, so that with
all the ideas and suggestions being brought forward, we might finally
succeed in devising the right blue print that would help build a better
Gambia, in the 21st century; a Gambia where the people's needs and
aspirations would, at long last, be addressed.
I must, however, say that, nowadays, the debate on the L is very healthy and
encouraging. Consequently, it is in the interest of all of us to make sure
that such a trend continues.
Let us continue to engage in serious and responsible debates so that what
needs rectification in our country would be rectified, and what is already
right would be protected and preserved.
Building a genuine democracy is not an easy task, but it is not
insurmountable. It only requires the right mix of enlightened leaders, an
active civil society, institutions that work and, of course, time.
Anyway, the signs of the time are very encouraging; and, for me, they signal
a bright future for our motherland. The days when the Gambia has had a
docile civil society had long gone. Henceforth, let us vigorously scrutinise
all our politicians, be they in government or in opposition, so that those
who are sincere and committed to the cause can be discerned from those who
are not genuine.
Hamjatta and Saul have started scrutinising PDOIS' role during the
transition period and beyond, and it would be very healthy if such a
scrutiny, as insinuated by Jabou and a few others, is also extended to other
politicians and political parties in the country, as well the media,
including my own role during the transition period if you will.
I am confident that this scrutiny, if conducted fairly and objectively, the
Gambia, as a country, would be the only WINNER. It would enable us to
identify those politicians who are genuinely committed to the principles of
transparency and accountability and those who are not.
In my view, the era when our politicians regard the people as mere
supplicants who must beg them (the politicians) for favours is about to fade
away in Gambian politics.
I may sound over optimistic here, but I am of the view that sooner rather
later, our politicians must wake up to the reality that they either have
deliver the goods, or risk being voted out of office by their electors.
Let us, therefore, continue to be on our toes, probing, listening and asking
vital questions, especially with regard to how our country is being
governed, so that we can help build a much more developed and prosperous
Gambia in the 21st century.
Having said so, let me now return to the main issue, which is Saul's private
e-mail to Alpha Robinson. Saul, let me make it very clear to you that I
don't know Alpha well, but I could sense/feel that the brother was genuine,
and had no hidden agenda whatsoever, except a love for his country and her
people, when he sent his proposals to the L.
By the way, Saul, I was in the Gambia during the 1996 elections; and I can
tell you, in all honesty, that Alpha's comment regarding tribal politics
during the 1996 election was a fair/legitimate comment. Indeed, there was
evidence that there were A VERY FEW politicians who, on their own will,
tried to urge some of the voters to vote along tribal lines.
But the important thing here is that the leaders of all the political
parties in the Gambia, as far as I know, had, at the time, openly encouraged
the voters to elect their leaders, based on their programmes and policies,
and nothing else.
In my view, it would be very unfair and irresponsible for that matter, to
accuse the leaders of the political parties of having a tribal agenda.
However, having said that it was also a valid comment for Alpha to have
suggested that there were certain politicians (although not any of the party
leaders I must add here) who tried to inject tribal sentiments during the
1996 elections.
The other day deposed president Jawara accused Mr Jammeh of injecting
tribalism in some parts of his government, but if you really observe
Jammeh's appointments very clearly, it becomes clear as a sunny day that two
KEY factors come into play, when he considers people for appointments; and
these two factors are loyalty and trust.
I may wrong here, but, in my eyes, what Mr Jammeh looks for when appointing
officials is someone who would be trusted and loyal to him. And needless to
say that Mr Jammeh can find such a person in any of the tribes in the
Gambia.
As for Ousainou Darboe, a BBC colleague of mine, Mick Slatter, who came to
cover the 1996 presidential election, had asked him during a press
conference, held by the UDP, a few days before the election, whether his
party had a tribal agenda, or whether it was formed along tribal lines.
And, in reply, not only did Mr Darboe dismiss such claims as nonsense, but
he also cited the fact that the deputy leader of his party, Yahya Jallow, is
Fula, while Ebou Manneh, a senior figure of the party is Wollof.
Furthermore, Lawyer Darboe also revealed that one of his wives is Wollof and
that many of the friends were, in fact, Wollofs, Fulas, Jolas etc. So
brother Saul, let's be very careful with this talk of tribalism in the
Gambia. Let's bury the word under the carpet once and for all, because it is
like playing with fire.
I'll take this opportunity to call on you, to use your NOUS in a positive
manner, so that we can save beautiful Gambia from the mayhem and destruction
tribalism has brought in other parts of Africa.
By the way, it is very encouraging to note that, in actual fact, tribal
politics is already fading away in some African countries.
Let me also take the opportunity to report on some of the positive
developments taking place on the African Continent, on the eve of new
millennium.
It was refreshing to hear at the Bristol seminar that some of the leaders in
Africa have now woken up to the reality that African development will become
a reality if and only when they are able tap the continent's rich human
resources overseas.
Consequently, a few African leaders, who aware of the fact that the return
of such human resources will serve as a leverage for accelerated
development, have begun attracting their citizens abroad back home. And
already the dividend is paying.
There are now a few African countries that have started doing very well in
economic terms; and, for me, all these developments signal a bright future
for the Continent in the 21st century.
I am sure if the Harold Macmillan, the British Prime Minister who accurately
predicted the end of colonial rule in a speech to the Parliament of South
Africa could be resurrected, he would repeat in clearer terms his historic
statement that a more devastating wind of change was blowing in today's
Africa.
This wind will dismantle the pillars of repression and tyranny in Africa,
following which an Africa which will accord all her citizens a very decent
and dignified living would be built once and for all.
In fact, an unnoticeable renaissance has already started transforming our
continent, although I must be quick to add that the transformation is very
slow. An Africa in which governments are becoming accountable to their
citizens; in which real progress is being made to reduce poverty is already
under way.
Take Mali, for example. Under president Alpha Oumar Conare's leadership,
economic growth has been restored and, most remarkably, the country has
sprouted over 1,000 radio stations, making it one of the most "tune in"
countries on the globe.
Another good example is Botswana. At independence in 1966, Botswana was one
of the world's poorest countries; but today, it boasts of a vibrant economy
with 15 consecutive years of budgetary surplus and substantial foreign
exchange reserves. The life expectancy of its citizens has risen from 49 to
65 years.
Ghana is also reported to be doing well in economic terms. The inflation
rate which remained 60 per cent from the mid 1970s to the mid 1980s, had
dropped to 10 per cent. Economic growth is now chugging along at a healthy 5
per cent.
Also Ghana's fledgling stock exchange has burst onto the international scene
and, presently, it boasts of a capitalization almost $2 billion dollars.
By the way, there are now over 15 African stock markets, and Afica is also
reported to possess 54 per cent of the world's cobalt; 32 per cent of its
bauxite; 52 per cent of its manganese; 81 per cent of its chromium stocks.
South Africa alone is said to have 84 per cent of the world's reserve of
platinum.
Also, 20 per cent of US oil imports now come from Africa; and American
investors are finding Africa highly profitable. In fact, the average annual
return on the book value of US investments in Africa in the 1990s was over
25 per cent, compared to less than 10 per cent worldwide.
Still talking positively about Africa, let me also inform some of you who do
not know, that African infant mortality rates have also declined from 165 to
per 1,000 - 30 years ago to 97 per 1,000 today.
Also, average life expectancy has risen from 40.1 years to 51.3 years. The
aggregate African growth rates in 1995 and 1996 averaged twice that of the
previous decade, and in 21 African countries, the economic growth rate is at
least double the rate of population growth.
Furthermore, in 1996 and 1997, 26 African countries conducted multi- party
elections. It is true that many Africa countries still remain under military
dictatorship, but, at the same time, there is also a good number of African
States that are making headways both in political and economic terms.
I'll conclude with these remarks, but I forgot who uttered them: "when we
want to rise, we will. When we are ready to grow, we can. The only thing
holding us in place right now, are the things we do."
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
PS: D.A Jawo, welcome on board, and I hope you'll find Gambia L useful. I am
sure if time permits you, you will do some good writing for the L. By the
way, how is the Gambai Press Union doing? Hope things are okay. My warmest
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Well Ebrima Ceesay, l think you have said all that needs to be said
here.Thank you for re-directing some of us back to the higher road we need to
focus our energies on, rather than succumbing to this ever present cancer in
us, of always looking for the negative to focus on, always trying to
undermine and cut down those amongst us who are trying to make a positive
contribution for the betterment of our country and consequently our continent
and the World at large. It is something l certainly will never understand.Let
us direct those energies towards identifying and nurturing the positive
qualities in each other, and cultivating those qualities to work harmoniously
together, or we will forever wallow in the situation we are in now, and which
was created and is being fuelled by this bizarre behaviour that seems to
surface out of nowhere in some of us. It is only people with small minds who
focus on negative things that only deter us from progress, and none of us
should clamour to be in that camp, and l am sure non of us consciously wants
to belong there. Contributions made to this forum by Mr Khan and others in
the past have shown them to be people with a positive vision for our
country.Focussing and working towards that vision will leave us no time for
such pettiness as tribalism.
Thank you also for updating us on news of those positive developments on the
African continent. You can bet those accomplishments would not have happened
if those who worked towards it spend their energies trying to undermine each
other.Frankly, we have too much to do to waste time on non-productive, and
progress deterring behaviour.
Jabou Joh
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Saul Khan,
I saw the piece you sent to Alpha Robinson in private, and I don't think I
can even find the right words to describe how disappointed I was when I read
your material.
Actually, your piece reminded me of what a leading African political
scientist remarked to me, during a seminar I attended, just last week, in
Bristol, UK.
Having heard me speak with lucidity and enthusiasm about my vision for
Africa in the 21st century, the political scientist remarked to me, during
lunch break as follows: "Mr Ceesay, I enjoyed your talk...but I am no longer
moved by good speeches. Why? Because many of us who are fortunate to be
articulate in speaking and eloquent in writing are the very ones who put
Africa in the mess in which it finds itself today"...
He continued: "rather than help clarify complex issues for our people, so
that they can make the right choices, many of us who are bright are only
good at confusing our people, by injecting into their minds, very backward
ideas such tribalism etc, ideas that do no good anyone, except harm to a
whole Nation"...
Now, having read Saul Khan's private e-mail to Alpha Robinson, I am
convinced, more than before, that what the political scientist told me the
other day, in Bristol, does hold water, or some truth.
Gambia L, I am afraid to say this, but if Saul's private e-mail to Alpha is
anything to go by, then Saul could be a fitting example of one of those
bright Africans - mentioned by the political scientist - who, instead of
clarifying complex issues for their people, are bringing out to the fore,
irrelevant issues that would only create more havoc and chaos on the African
Continent.
No one who has been reading Saul's contributions to the L can deny the fact
that the guy is bright and very eloquent. In fact, I must say here that I,
for one, did enjoy reading most of his postings; and, needlessly to say, I
also did learn a lot from his contributions.
But having said that I must say I was very disappointed when I read the
content of the private e-mail he sent to Alpha Robinson. I would never have
expected a brilliant guy like Saul to have come up with such an unfortunate
e-mail, a mail whose content, in my view, was irresponsible, retrogressing
and, above all, more likely to divide our people, instead of uniting them.
And, besides, as my able sister, Jabou Joh pointed out yesterday, some of
the issues raised by Saul "have no bearing on the subject raised by Alpha."
Frankly speaking, I would have expected a guy like Saul - given his wit and
acuity - to have taken the lead in warning against tribalism in Africa in
general, and the Gambia in particular, instead of coming of with
remarks/sentiments that could, in fact, stir up trouble in our society.
Sincerely, some of the sentiments expressed by Saul in his e-mail to Alpha
are, to say the least, very worrying and disappointing. But I, for one, have
found consolation in the fact that Gambians have now become more politically
mature and more critically minded.
Henceforth, no one can take the majority of the Gambian people for a ride.
Many Gambians can now distinguish between what is sincere and what is not
sincere; what is truthful and what is unreal; what is progressive and what
is retrogressive; what brings peace and harmony and what stirs up trouble.
I am sure all right thinking Gambians on the L, and outside the L, will
never entertain some of the views expressed by Saul in his private mail to
Alpha.
The economic and political problem facing our Nation, on the eve of the new
millennium, are quite enormous; and, really, what we need to do, or occupy
our minds with, is to try and come up with concrete ideas on how we can
build a much more better Gambia, for all of us, in the 21st century.
I am in for a debate, but it has to be a very healthy one, which is
conducted with respect, maturity, decency, clarity, sincerity and
truthfulness.
In my view, a healthy debate among ourselves is very necessary, so that with
all the ideas and suggestions being brought forward, we might finally
succeed in devising the right blue print that would help build a better
Gambia, in the 21st century; a Gambia where the people's needs and
aspirations would, at long last, be addressed.
I must, however, say that, nowadays, the debate on the L is very healthy and
encouraging. Consequently, it is in the interest of all of us to make sure
that such a trend continues.
Let us continue to engage in serious and responsible debates so that what
needs rectification in our country would be rectified, and what is already
right would be protected and preserved.
Building a genuine democracy is not an easy task, but it is not
insurmountable. It only requires the right mix of enlightened leaders, an
active civil society, institutions that work and, of course, time.
Anyway, the signs of the time are very encouraging; and, for me, they signal
a bright future for our motherland. The days when the Gambia has had a
docile civil society had long gone. Henceforth, let us vigorously scrutinise
all our politicians, be they in government or in opposition, so that those
who are sincere and committed to the cause can be discerned from those who
are not genuine.
Hamjatta and Saul have started scrutinising PDOIS' role during the
transition period and beyond, and it would be very healthy if such a
scrutiny, as insinuated by Jabou and a few others, is also extended to other
politicians and political parties in the country, as well the media,
including my own role during the transition period if you will.
I am confident that this scrutiny, if conducted fairly and objectively, the
Gambia, as a country, would be the only WINNER. It would enable us to
identify those politicians who are genuinely committed to the principles of
transparency and accountability and those who are not.
In my view, the era when our politicians regard the people as mere
supplicants who must beg them (the politicians) for favours is about to fade
away in Gambian politics.
I may sound over optimistic here, but I am of the view that sooner rather
later, our politicians must wake up to the reality that they either have
deliver the goods, or risk being voted out of office by their electors.
Let us, therefore, continue to be on our toes, probing, listening and asking
vital questions, especially with regard to how our country is being
governed, so that we can help build a much more developed and prosperous
Gambia in the 21st century.
Having said so, let me now return to the main issue, which is Saul's private
e-mail to Alpha Robinson. Saul, let me make it very clear to you that I
don't know Alpha well, but I could sense/feel that the brother was genuine,
and had no hidden agenda whatsoever, except a love for his country and her
people, when he sent his proposals to the L.
By the way, Saul, I was in the Gambia during the 1996 elections; and I can
tell you, in all honesty, that Alpha's comment regarding tribal politics
during the 1996 election was a fair/legitimate comment. Indeed, there was
evidence that there were A VERY FEW politicians who, on their own will,
tried to urge some of the voters to vote along tribal lines.
But the important thing here is that the leaders of all the political
parties in the Gambia, as far as I know, had, at the time, openly encouraged
the voters to elect their leaders, based on their programmes and policies,
and nothing else.
In my view, it would be very unfair and irresponsible for that matter, to
accuse the leaders of the political parties of having a tribal agenda.
However, having said that it was also a valid comment for Alpha to have
suggested that there were certain politicians (although not any of the party
leaders I must add here) who tried to inject tribal sentiments during the
1996 elections.
The other day deposed president Jawara accused Mr Jammeh of injecting
tribalism in some parts of his government, but if you really observe
Jammeh's appointments very clearly, it becomes clear as a sunny day that two
KEY factors come into play, when he considers people for appointments; and
these two factors are loyalty and trust.
I may wrong here, but, in my eyes, what Mr Jammeh looks for when appointing
officials is someone who would be trusted and loyal to him. And needless to
say that Mr Jammeh can find such a person in any of the tribes in the
Gambia.
As for Ousainou Darboe, a BBC colleague of mine, Mick Slatter, who came to
cover the 1996 presidential election, had asked him during a press
conference, held by the UDP, a few days before the election, whether his
party had a tribal agenda, or whether it was formed along tribal lines.
And, in reply, not only did Mr Darboe dismiss such claims as nonsense, but
he also cited the fact that the deputy leader of his party, Yahya Jallow, is
Fula, while Ebou Manneh, a senior figure of the party is Wollof.
Furthermore, Lawyer Darboe also revealed that one of his wives is Wollof and
that many of the friends were, in fact, Wollofs, Fulas, Jolas etc. So
brother Saul, let's be very careful with this talk of tribalism in the
Gambia. Let's bury the word under the carpet once and for all, because it is
like playing with fire.
I'll take this opportunity to call on you, to use your NOUS in a positive
manner, so that we can save beautiful Gambia from the mayhem and destruction
tribalism has brought in other parts of Africa.
By the way, it is very encouraging to note that, in actual fact, tribal
politics is already fading away in some African countries.
Let me also take the opportunity to report on some of the positive
developments taking place on the African Continent, on the eve of new
millennium.
It was refreshing to hear at the Bristol seminar that some of the leaders in
Africa have now woken up to the reality that African development will become
a reality if and only when they are able tap the continent's rich human
resources overseas.
Consequently, a few African leaders, who aware of the fact that the return
of such human resources will serve as a leverage for accelerated
development, have begun attracting their citizens abroad back home. And
already the dividend is paying.
There are now a few African countries that have started doing very well in
economic terms; and, for me, all these developments signal a bright future
for the Continent in the 21st century.
I am sure if the Harold Macmillan, the British Prime Minister who accurately
predicted the end of colonial rule in a speech to the Parliament of South
Africa could be resurrected, he would repeat in clearer terms his historic
statement that a more devastating wind of change was blowing in today's
Africa.
This wind will dismantle the pillars of repression and tyranny in Africa,
following which an Africa which will accord all her citizens a very decent
and dignified living would be built once and for all.
In fact, an unnoticeable renaissance has already started transforming our
continent, although I must be quick to add that the transformation is very
slow. An Africa in which governments are becoming accountable to their
citizens; in which real progress is being made to reduce poverty is already
under way.
Take Mali, for example. Under president Alpha Oumar Conare's leadership,
economic growth has been restored and, most remarkably, the country has
sprouted over 1,000 radio stations, making it one of the most "tune in"
countries on the globe.
Another good example is Botswana. At independence in 1966, Botswana was one
of the world's poorest countries; but today, it boasts of a vibrant economy
with 15 consecutive years of budgetary surplus and substantial foreign
exchange reserves. The life expectancy of its citizens has risen from 49 to
65 years.
Ghana is also reported to be doing well in economic terms. The inflation
rate which remained 60 per cent from the mid 1970s to the mid 1980s, had
dropped to 10 per cent. Economic growth is now chugging along at a healthy 5
per cent.
Also Ghana's fledgling stock exchange has burst onto the international scene
and, presently, it boasts of a capitalization almost $2 billion dollars.
By the way, there are now over 15 African stock markets, and Afica is also
reported to possess 54 per cent of the world's cobalt; 32 per cent of its
bauxite; 52 per cent of its manganese; 81 per cent of its chromium stocks.
South Africa alone is said to have 84 per cent of the world's reserve of
platinum.
Also, 20 per cent of US oil imports now come from Africa; and American
investors are finding Africa highly profitable. In fact, the average annual
return on the book value of US investments in Africa in the 1990s was over
25 per cent, compared to less than 10 per cent worldwide.
Still talking positively about Africa, let me also inform some of you who do
not know, that African infant mortality rates have also declined from 165 to
per 1,000 - 30 years ago to 97 per 1,000 today.
Also, average life expectancy has risen from 40.1 years to 51.3 years. The
aggregate African growth rates in 1995 and 1996 averaged twice that of the
previous decade, and in 21 African countries, the economic growth rate is at
least double the rate of population growth.
Furthermore, in 1996 and 1997, 26 African countries conducted multi- party
elections. It is true that many Africa countries still remain under military
dictatorship, but, at the same time, there is also a good number of African
States that are making headways both in political and economic terms.
I'll conclude with these remarks, but I forgot who uttered them: "when we
want to rise, we will. When we are ready to grow, we can. The only thing
holding us in place right now, are the things we do."
Ebrima Ceesay,
Birmingham, UK.
PS: D.A Jawo, welcome on board, and I hope you'll find Gambia L useful. I am
sure if time permits you, you will do some good writing for the L. By the
way, how is the Gambai Press Union doing? Hope things are okay. My warmest
regards to Pap Saine, Deyda Hydara, Yorro Jallow, Alieu Badara Sowe (borom
Jasigui) and all the rest of the crew down there.
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Ebrima,
Like you, I did not read, even between the lines of Alpha's posting, that
Darboe was to one talked/written about. How Saul made the leap from what
was written to his conclusion astounded me, to say the least. However, the
issue he raised of tribalism being alive and well in the Gambia and in our
communities outside of the Gambia is so true and alarming. Tribalism is
ugly, negative, and can take us back a thousand years - all that's bad for
our development. But, we can't be ostriches in this instance. It's ugly
head has been reared (I have not been spared and I have heard some
derogatory remarks). We need to acknowledge the presence of this cancer and
chart a way of curing our selves/communities of it. If we do not stomp on
it through dialog or education, I'm afraid of what may result. We have some
dangerous, narrow-minded folks amongst us who milk this sentiment for what
it's worth to them and as Alpha said, run and hide, simpering for mercy
after having put their people through unforgettable misery.
Saul raised an important issue which has to be dealt with. Comments I've
overheard about this issue only lend to more friction between those who
think of themselves as a "pure" this or that, which is a lot of hogwash.
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Hello Katim,
Thank you and congratulations both for the letter to the president and the
suggestions you came up with for the way forward. I do support you in full
for your nomination of Dr. Saine to coordinate the selection of the
committee. I also had talked to him earlier on and had discussed with him
similar strategies you enumerated here.
Once more, thanks and let us keep the dialog going so that we could achieve
the noble task we have set for ourselves.
Bakary J Sonko
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Hi folks,
I'm sending this brief e-mail to follow-up on responses to my Open Letter to
His Excellency, President Jammeh, and Abdoulaye Saines summary of suggested
proposals and strategies for fostering national development through dialog.
It's been really nice reading through numerous postings on the issues, and I
only hope that the spirit continues to thrive in all of us.
In that same spirit, I'd like to touch on a few issues:
1. Intellectual? I saw online version of it at "The Independent" newspapers
Website, and I cracked up! The intro read:" A US-based Gambian
intellectual,
Katim S. Touray, Ph.D ..." I didn't write the letter as an intellectual,
but
as a concerned Gambian. And I hope that everybody realizes that you don't
have
to be an intellectual (whatever that means) to get a pen and paper (or fire
up
your computer), gather your thoughts, and say what's on your mind.
2. Confrontational? It was suggested that the letter was perhaps a bit too
confrontational, and further that this was inappropriate in light of it's
intent to enhance dialog. I would like to say that if the letter came
across
as too confrontational, it was only because I failed to adequately express
my
intention, and not that I wanted to be confrontational from the start. My
aim,
simply, was to bring what I thought were important issues to the attention
of
the President, and indeed the world at large, with a view toward helping
start
a process that will lead to their amicable resolution. If anyone felt that
the
letter was confrontational, I would like to beg his or her pardon.
3. Meet the President? Who, me? Someone also suggested that I should
travel
to The Gambia and have a fact to face meeting with the President. I agree
with
another subscriber who thought the idea of a face to face meeting not
practical, and probably not useful. In addition, I would like to add that I
have no intention in being intimately involved with whatever process, if
any,
comes out of my letter or related efforts. This sounds rather hypocritical,
so
let me explain.
As far as I'm know, there are a lot of Gambians who are more educated,
older,
wiser, and more experienced than me that are out there, and whose talents in
my
mind, are not being used to the max. For this reason, I would rather have
such
people, as elders, lead the way in our search for the most viable way to an
atmosphere of peace, political freedom, and prosperity. Hence, what I have
in
mind is for a process to start where various people will be indentified who
will be willing to form a committee, or commission to develop a framework
for
guaranteeing human rights in The Gambia thereby ensuring that everyone can
live
in peace (of mind and body) and work toward achieving their potential. I
assume that like everyone else, I will be able to send whatever suggestions
or
ideas to the committee of elders whenever it's formed, and functioning.
4. The above leads me to a number of suggestions that were summarized in
Abdoulaye Saine's posting available online at:
http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?A2=ind9911&L=gambia-l&O=A&P=46994
a) The idea of a committee of 10 is great, except for the fact that it's
members should not be restricted to Gambia-L subscribers. Along the lines
of
the committee or commission I refer to above, I suggest that we reach out
into
the Gambian communities both at home and abroad. I suggest we include not
only
politicians (retired, and active) but also religious leaders, Gambian
academicians, and International civil servants. Finally, the committee
should
work closely with Gambian organizations both at home and abroad to ensure
that
as many people as possible are engaged in the process. This will be perhaps
the only way to ensure a rich, healthy, and in the end fruitful process.
b) Another problem I have with the idea of a Gambia-L committee of 10 is
that
it sounds a little too elitist. True, there are many people that subscribe
to
Gambia-L, but I'm not sure whether it still should be seen as THE gathering
of
our nation's best. I'm sorry, but I don't think so. And there are many
people
without e-mail that have more to contribute than me, with my many e-mail
accounts. Furthermore, some of the projects I see envisoned for the
committee
will, I think, be best performed by an independent body, as in a human
rights
watch dog. In the event that enough people find it important to form a
human
rights organization, I'd say more power to them. But I think the strongest
role Gambia-L can, and should play, is to serve as a forum for exchanging
ideas
and information. What people do with those ideas is up to them.
c) I noticed that Abdboulaye's summary includes a section on social and
economic development issues. I think we should first concentrate on
enhancing
democracy and human rights, and take on the other issues later. Nothing is
possible without peace, which is under constant threat if people are not
accorded basic human rights. This by no means implies that others are not
free
to work on those social and economic issues that are dear to their hearts.
GESO, and the book project are wonderful examples of the world of good that
can
happen when people work together.
d) I promised that this was going to be short, and so I should be keeping
it
that way. But before I sign off, I'd like to suggest a few ways we can go
about getting the dialog going:
i) I nominate Dr. Abdoulaye Saine as the coordinator for efforts at
identifying potential members of, and forming a committee to oversee the
dialog
process. I should mention that I have talked to him on the phone and told
him
that I will present this suggestion to the list, and he agreed.
ii) I suggest that anyone who would like to nominate a candidate for
the
committee first check with the person he/she wants to nominate, and then
forward the person's name, contact info, and perhaps a brief bio to Dr.
Saine.
iii) We also have to decide how committee members will be selected.
Rather
than taking votes on Gambia-L, I suggest we identify key interest groups
(e.g.
the government, political parties, religious groups, etc.), and have them
endorse or nominate people who can speak on their behalf, and represent
their
interests.
iv) We should also start thinking about how to get the ball rolling.
Given
that Dr. Saine will be calling a lot of people, and writing a lot of
letters, I
suggest that he prepare a small budget to pay for his phone calls, and other
expenses. He can send it to the list, and anyone who wants to contribute
can
send him the money. Any amount that's left over after he is done with the
preliminary work of putting the committee together will be handed over to
the
committee for them to use in their work.
I guess that's about all for now. Thanks so much to all of you for taking
the
time to discuss issues of great national signifcance. Like I tell my
friends,
the only difference between us and donkeys are that we argue, and they
don't!
Please let's keep it that way. Have a great week, and best wishes in your
endeavors.
Katim
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> Subject: Proposal and Strategies: A Summary
> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 9:52 AM
>
> G-L Community:
>
> What follows is a summary of the various proposals and strategies that
> were posted on the Bantaba and to me privately. I found them to be
> thoughtful and reflective of the twin themes of "National
> Reconciliation" and "Positive/Constructive Engagement" with president
> Jammeh, his Government, the National Assembly, Political parties and
> other institutions and groups in Gambia's civil society. In looking at
> all the postings on the issue, several key categories emerged.
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Soffie,
I certainly agree with you. This issue is so sensitive to a lot of people and
I can see why it is been blown out of proportion. Alpha made a lot of sense
in what he said. He talked about the kind of people who we have in our
society. Saul made an observation and requested a clarification. Some might
have a problem the way he put his words. I think it would be better for the
people if we talk about our problems and not just hide them because some of
us who are born by parents of different ethnic groups feel uncomfortable when
it is discussed.
Tribalism is alive in the Gambia as in any parts of this world. And
discrimination is the same in all its aspects as long as it is against a
particular group of people/society. So ladies and gentlemen, why don't we all
move forward and discuss the reality instead of sweeping it under the carpet.
Yes, I am born of parents of different tribes, but do not tell me that
politicians do not try to explore what ever they could to get what they want.
Of course there are exceptions, but to say that because some feel
uncomfortable discussing it and it should not be is nonsense too.
I am sorry if I offend anyone, but this is my personal opinion and meant not
to.
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"Creation of Man"
A Review Of Qur`aan & Modern
Embryology
Today we would like to brief you about the Process of
Cellular Division: In this regard the Lord of the universe
tells us that the fertillised ovum divides into two and then
keeps on dividing in a way described by modern science
as mototic division.Qur=E0an says:(AL-NISA, 41:1)
"Who created from a single cell and then created another
one from it to make it a pair and then from those created
multitudes of men & women."
Another part in the Holy Qur=E0an: Allah! Says:-
"He created you from a single cell and then got out from it
its pair." (AL-ZUMAR,39:6)
Three points are quite evident from these blessed verses.
i. Creation of a Human being from a zygot(fertilised ovum
or compound cell)
ii. Division of zygote into two cells.
iii. Further division of these two cells into large number until
this evolves into men and women.
This is the mitotic division which according to Biology goes
through the stages of:-
a. Prophase.
b. Metaphase.
c. Anaphase.
d. Telaphase.
That is how the embryonic life keeps on developing
vertically and horizontally.
IMPLANTATION OF EGG IN UTERUS
Division of Zygote results in the formation of Blastocyst
which is implanted in Uterus called a "Place of rest"
in the Qur=E0an.
"And We cause, whom We will,to remain in the womb for
an appointed time." (AL-HAJJ,22:5)
This egg gradually increases in size by cellular division
and proliferates its roots in the walls of uterus like plant
roots and gets its nourishment from it. The egg gets fixed
in the uterine wall like a hanging nest.The Qur=E0an calls this
stage `ALAQAH `in several verses.Divine proclamation is:-
"Read with the name of your Lord, the One Who created
man from`Alaqah `." (AL-ALAQ,96:1,2)
"And then We place him in a secure place(womb of mother)
in the form of a zygote and then We fixed him like a hanging
nest(in the uterus).`" (AL-MOMINOON,23:Verse-13,14)
We will discuss the meaning of `ALAQAH `next time (Inshalah)
By God! power.
May Allah (SWT) GIVE us the UNDERSTANDING of the HOLLY
QUR=C0AN.....Ameen!!!!!.
Alahumasalli alaa Saidina Muhammadin wa alaa ali Muhammadin.
Samba Goddard
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Hi Bro. Habib and Sis Jabou,
The BIVAC pre-shipment issue is very contentious and there
is no guarantee that imposing another layer of bureaucracy
will solve the problem of underinvoicing. From what i have
been reading in the newspapers, the BIVAC pre-shipment
announcement was a suprise to the private sector. While I
agree that the government needs to maximize its revenue
collection, my personal opinion is that there should have
been more consultation between the government, the
operators and the chamber of commerce. I don't want to
believe that ALL importers are engaged in underinvoicing.
Could the culprits not be identified and then appropriate
action taken. Why should the righteous be penalized and
suffer with the evil.
If the government keeps squeezing the private sector in the
guise of raising revenue, it is potentially
counterproductive and the reverse can happen. The
commercial, economic growth and employment prospect of the
economy can be seriously hampered.This is against the
backdrop that 65%-70% of revenue comes from customs
revenue. This starkly contradicts the government's stated
objective of vision 2020 which is to have a viable private
sector led Gambian economy (inconsistency).
BIVAC are working for profits and the question to be asked
is BIVAC the only alternative available to the government
to solve the problem of revenue collection?. The $250 (paid
in foreign currency puts another extra pressure on the
exchange rate)and whatever fees, is paid for by the private
sector and no businessperson will accommodate the cost
without passing it on to consumers i.e. the urban and rural
poor that have to purchase the goods and services provided
by importers. In otherwords the economic cost of BIVAC will
be passed on to the poor consumers. Inevitably prices will
have to rise to cover the cost of employing BIVAC.
I also read from the newspaper that importers from
neighboring countries are stopping to use the Banjul
facilities because there will no longer be any incentive
and economic benefits to them from importing through
Banjul - another source of revenue foregone because the
reduction of imports will ultimately mean a reduced revenue
base for the government. So the assumption that BIVAC
automatically increases revenue and stops underinvoicing is
not 100% certain without even considering the
administrative delay and cost in terms of valuable time.
My personal preference and what i would have loved to see
is the government engaging in consultation and dialogue
with the private sector through the chamber of commerce.
After all that's what the GCCI is there for: to act as a
bridge between the government, private sector and
consumers. That could be another least costly alternative
whereby Gambians will be solving a principally Gambian
problem than inviting foreigners who will take their
profits and when things are not going well leave the
country and we have to pick up the pieces - remember the
electricity saga with MSG and UHC or whatever the name was.
The last statistics i saw on the Gambia, the level of taxes
from international trade was down on its pre 1994 level. By
inviting BIVAC is it also an admission on the part of the
government that the C&E have failed in executing their
duties or is there a lack of confidence in their abilities.
The problem can also be more structural than that.
Recently on the L we have been taking about reducing the
level of poverty in Gambia both absolute and relative
poverty, urban and rural poverty as well. Improving the
living standards of the average Gambian can only take place
within the parameters of a growing and well managed economy
that provides opportunities.There is a limit as to what the
government can do to directly employ Gambians, that's why
it is said that a government should concentrate on
providing public goods i.e health and education and
ensures throught its polices the "necessary and enabling
environment for the private sector to function
efficiently". The majority of labor force are employed
outside the government sector and we cannot kill the golden
goose that lays the foundation to reduce poverty. How can
both foreign and domestic investors be attracted when the
tax burden on them is high. We also have to take into
cognizance the fact that Gambia is competing with
neighboring countries for scare foreign dollars and it is
quite obvious that investors will invest in countries where
there is less administrative bureaucracy.
I don't want to prejudge what BIVAC can achieve, but only
time will tell.
Cheers
Basil
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Dear Gambia L,
It is very distasteful for the unending cycle of revelations which continue
to besiege the Yahya government since the July 22, coup in 1994, ostensibly
for the rampant corruption existing at the time.Whilst it was pleasant to
hear the president declare swift and decisive action against all those
involved. Well, considering recent revelations ranging from circumstances
leading to the death of Ousman Koro Ceesay to the transfer into foreign bank
A/Cs. of millions of Dalasis belonging to Gambian people.
I believe in "accountability" and "transparency" affecting officials from
upper echelons of the government.As we were all aware at the time of the
coup the above two words was and still is the mantra of the junta.I believe
with all my heart that not a single corrupt official should be prosecuted
until all other bigwigs in govt. including the president answer allegations
labeled against him by his former comrade Ebou Jallow.
It will indeed be of great help and patriotism to the motherland if all
those involved in the alleged transfer of funds to foreign bank accounts
come forward and reveal to the nation what has been happening . I challenge
the authorities to declare a harassment free Gambia so as to allow potential
volunteers to come forward and divulge all past misdeeds to the Gambian
press without fear of reprisals.If this is the only way for the preservation
of the trust between the rulers and the ruled let it happen and allow the
chips fall where they may.
Mori Kebba Jammeh
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Dear Basil,
This is exactly the point. This move will discourage importers from bringing
their goods into the Gambia, and l have already heard that some have already
started taking their shipments to neighbouring countries like Bissau.If you
consider the fact that a lot of the wholesalers who import into Gambia sell
the bulk of their goods to the buyers from the neighbouring countries
anyway, what this move has done is give these neighbouring countries the
customs revenues as well as deprive the average Gambian transportation
business owner of the revenue he or she would have earned from transporting
some of the goods to neighbouring countries for the buyers who used to come
to Gambia to shop. Clearly, this move does hurt the Gambian consumer and our
prospects for an improved economy as well as discourage the engagenment in
commerce by the business person whose resources are already very limited.So
my opinion also is that it was not a very well studied move.
It is unfortunate and very true that over the years, many business people
have defrauded the government by finding all sorts of ways to avoid paying
any or the appropriate amount of duty on their goods, but like you, l feel
that they could have explored another means of solving this problem.The
problem is also not just the importers, but corrupt customs officials who
accpted bribes as opposed to executing their duties honestly, and this in
turn is compounded by poor salaries etc, etc, Ad Infinitum.
l know it is not feasible for customs officials to have to go through every
shipment piece by piece, but even though l am not an economist, l know there
must be some way of estimating the value of certain goods. Baring that, why
is it that the customs themselves did not take up this task that this French
company is doing and keep the revenues in the country? For example, they
could have just gone through shipments piece by piece and charge the importer
the extra labour cost if they do not produce an invoice with a reasonable
value for their goods.
I agree that encouraging the private sector by legislation that helps and not
hinders their progress is the only way to eliminate massive poverty, but
somehow, those in a position to bring this about have completely missed the
point, and this is very unfortunate.Another lesson to prove that one cannot
govern properly without imput from those whom they are there to serve.
Jabou
Hi Bro. Habib and Sis Jabou,
The BIVAC pre-shipment issue is very contentious and there
is no guarantee that imposing another layer of bureaucracy
will solve the problem of underinvoicing. From what i have
been reading in the newspapers, the BIVAC pre-shipment
announcement was a suprise to the private sector. While I
agree that the government needs to maximize its revenue
collection, my personal opinion is that there should have
been more consultation between the government, the
operators and the chamber of commerce. I don't want to
believe that ALL importers are engaged in underinvoicing.
Could the culprits not be identified and then appropriate
action taken. Why should the righteous be penalized and
suffer with the evil.
If the government keeps squeezing the private sector in the
guise of raising revenue, it is potentially
counterproductive and the reverse can happen. The
commercial, economic growth and employment prospect of the
economy can be seriously hampered.This is against the
backdrop that 65%-70% of revenue comes from customs
revenue. This starkly contradicts the government's stated
objective of vision 2020 which is to have a viable private
sector led Gambian economy (inconsistency).
BIVAC are working for profits and the question to be asked
is BIVAC the only alternative available to the government
to solve the problem of revenue collection?. The $250 (paid
in foreign currency puts another extra pressure on the
exchange rate)and whatever fees, is paid for by the private
sector and no businessperson will accommodate the cost
without passing it on to consumers i.e. the urban and rural
poor that have to purchase the goods and services provided
by importers. In otherwords the economic cost of BIVAC will
be passed on to the poor consumers. Inevitably prices will
have to rise to cover the cost of employing BIVAC.
I also read from the newspaper that importers from
neighboring countries are stopping to use the Banjul
facilities because there will no longer be any incentive
and economic benefits to them from importing through
Banjul - another source of revenue foregone because the
reduction of imports will ultimately mean a reduced revenue
base for the government. So the assumption that BIVAC
automatically increases revenue and stops underinvoicing is
not 100% certain without even considering the
administrative delay and cost in terms of valuable time.
My personal preference and what i would have loved to see
is the government engaging in consultation and dialogue
with the private sector through the chamber of commerce.
After all that's what the GCCI is there for: to act as a
bridge between the government, private sector and
consumers. That could be another least costly alternative
whereby Gambians will be solving a principally Gambian
problem than inviting foreigners who will take their
profits and when things are not going well leave the
country and we have to pick up the pieces - remember the
electricity saga with MSG and UHC or whatever the name was.
The last statistics i saw on the Gambia, the level of taxes
from international trade was down on its pre 1994 level. By
inviting BIVAC is it also an admission on the part of the
government that the C&E have failed in executing their
duties or is there a lack of confidence in their abilities.
The problem can also be more structural than that.
Recently on the L we have been taking about reducing the
level of poverty in Gambia both absolute and relative
poverty, urban and rural poverty as well. Improving the
living standards of the average Gambian can only take place
within the parameters of a growing and well managed economy
that provides opportunities.There is a limit as to what the
government can do to directly employ Gambians, that's why
it is said that a government should concentrate on
providing public goods i.e health and education and
ensures throught its polices the "necessary and enabling
environment for the private sector to function
efficiently". The majority of labor force are employed
outside the government sector and we cannot kill the golden
goose that lays the foundation to reduce poverty. How can
both foreign and domestic investors be attracted when the
tax burden on them is high. We also have to take into
cognizance the fact that Gambia is competing with
neighboring countries for scare foreign dollars and it is
quite obvious that investors will invest in countries where
there is less administrative bureaucracy.
I don't want to prejudge what BIVAC can achieve, but only
time will tell.
Cheers
Basil
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Assalaamu alaikum Koto Saihou
Alhamdulillah and welcome to the 'bantaba'. I will communicate privately
about my theisis research to get your invaluable inputs, since I'm dealing
with mycorrhiza and soil fertility. Folks, here is a pioneer Gambian soil
scientist who inspired and encouraged a host of young Gambian Agriculturists
including our List Owner, Dr. Katim.
Once more, welcome, Mr Taal.
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Sister Jabou,
The whole purpose of the said pre-shipment audit if I may add here, is to
verify the accuracy or otherwise of the original invoice prices devoid of any
alterations which used to obtain before the introduction of BIVAC. I only
hope that the raison d'etre of the entire exercise pays the intended
dividends for the good of the Nation.
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<< Sister Jabou,
The whole purpose of the said pre-shipment audit if I may add here, is to
verify the accuracy or otherwise of the original invoice prices devoid of any
alterations which used to obtain before the introduction of BIVAC. I only
hope that the raison d'etre of the entire exercise pays the intended
dividends for the good of the Nation.
OB Silla.
>>
*********************Thanks Mr Sillah, but what exactly does this French
company do that the Gambia Customs could not do, if the whole process is just
a verification. l don't suppose this French company travels to the source
where the goods were bought, do they? If they call or fax for the
verification, or even acquire books that give them the selling privce of
certain goods, then l suppose any body else could have done that. Actually,
the revenue from the customs will be realized l guess if people continue to
import despite this, but the real test will be whether they will infact
continue to import at the same rate as before this requirement, or will
importers just avoid the Gambia altogether.Therein lies the test. Cheers.
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Basil,
Just to recap your piece particularly, your last sentence, "only time will
tell". This is what I have said from the very start when Brother Habib first
introduced the issue of BIVAC to the L. Let us give it a shot. IF it did
not yield the desired results to the economy we scrap the programme in its
totality or atleast advice the Government to do so, to avert any imminent and
prolong hardship to the already poor people of The Gambia. This as you
rightly asserted would be counterproductive.
Adios,
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Point well-taken sir.
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> There has always been, and will always be inherent conflicts that
>exist between individuals and peoples. These conflicts formed the basis of
>struggles for perpetuation of ideals, values, ideologies, aims and
>aspirations of one group of the society against another group or groups of
>people. These groupings may not necessarily have to be along tribal lines.
>Within the framework of an organized society, the struggles between such
>individuals and peoples, who have freely or supposedly subjugated their
>rights to the supremacy of a constitution and a democratic process, is the
>mechanism through which the outcome of such struggles are determined.
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Yaya,
I give up! Good luck.
Saul
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>Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:57:07 PST
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>Saul,
>
>If you realy mean what you are saying, why beating the bush then? You
>rigthly confirmed that your friends where within all these so called
>"Tribal" groupings.
>
>Certainly, am not trying to impress anyone! and am telling you that, am not
>defending Robinson as a person! am talking about his proposal. You see,
>maybe you dont know the brother, and I guess that is the reason for all
>this
>noise, but I find it strange you talking about me like the way you did, you
>possibly know me? and if you do you may know aswell that I am not the type
>who tries to impress people! about what??
>
>Well, lets not get imotional. I guess this is nothing personal but a
>gathering of ideas and thoughts. I am not here to tell you who is Alpha and
>my knowledge about him. I will not be doing favour to the panell for doing
>so! however, the impression I got in his piece will be substantial to
>elaborate on.
>
>The brother was concern with the unfortunate ample supply of problems in
>the
>Gambia, and atleast came out with some humble ideas about how to solve
>them.
>We are certain that the problems will not disapear magically by themselves,
>they most be solved, or atleast managed! what proposals do you have for
>that? One thing I know is that, in order to solve these problems we will
>not put faith in ethnicsm, nor to someone with his/her panaceas, this we
>shall consider to be naive and irresponsible. Large scale( meaning
>collectively) ,concerted efforts by determined people should be the work
>force of this agenda.You believe it or not, your idea and believe cannot
>suscribe to such!
>
>Therefore, Saul! If you are willing or about teach us about our origins,
>and
>what we should know, I would be with the opinion that you first develop a
>process of awareness of the nature and gravity of the challenges in the
>Gambia, the complex situation and if there is any solution to it! that is
>what I expect to hear from you not about me personaly or Robinson! that is
>nonesense!
>
>I think any genuine person, will understand that the process of development
>should avoid the festering of such backward ideas of yours,"Tribal" issues!
>The proposals Alpha raised came at a time when the expectation became
>demand
>on the economic and political machinery that are inevitably unmet, giving
>rise to frustration and outrage.What examples did you learned from this?
>experienced! otherwise from other nations who had been in the same
>situation? What do policy makers do in such situations? To some extend we
>can take refuge to history! I thought we should have therefore, enhance
>peaceful and well defined manners with the mind of nation building. That
>was
>the essence of that wounderful piece of Alpha! The problem is there, and we
>shall not try to avoid grappling with those problems we already admit!We
>should not either, exihibit a childlike faith that a divine intervention
>will solve them. What am saying is that, we could have by now been
>discussing other productive questions than this. Well, that seems not to be
>the case here, as we are permitted to engage in happier pursuits for the
>sake of writing!
>
>Anyway, Saul I am certain that there is a common goal, and without doubt we
>are all suscribing to a better Gambia, and the appropriation of the forces
>to build that is nothing more than the development of ideas corresponding
>to
>individual way of annalysing. In order to achieve state objectives, I am
>well aware that we can deffer in policies and believe me there is nothing
>personal with that, you are entittle to your opinion.But we shall most
>candidly and deffinately not tollarate the idea of "Tribalism". We are
>concern with the development of the Gambia, which I believe should
>strongly be policies based on collectivism including all at large! In this
>regard,I believe that it is our duty to be betttressed by our obligations,
>to drive us to try the most prudent action possible, and that is what this
>panel I supossed is asking about! What do you have in the closset to offer?
>
>Saul, please dont be emotional, its the GL that put us together which I
>thought is a great thing. That we can even discuss something of this
>nature,
>that is great! Just be reasonable and dont attack on the person, evaluate
>on
>the topic. I dont know you so I guess I cant say anything about you and
>even
>if I do, it would not be on the GL. It is not a personal corresponding
>pannel!
>
>Peace brother Saul.
>Yahya
>
>
>
>
>
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>>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:03:30 GMT
>>
>>Yaya,
>>
>>I don't know what's getting into you, but you're holding unto the wrong
>>vine! We (yourself and I) grew up in one of the most culturally eclectic
>>communities in the Gambia: SereKunda/Tallinding/LatriKunda. Mandingo,
>>Jola,
>>Wollof, Serere, Manjago, Karoninka ... name it, it was there. If others
>>don't know this, Yaya, you do. We have mutual friends from virtually every
>>"tribe" in the Gambia. Remember my close friends: Dam Jeng, Sidia Badji,
>>Sheriff Newlands, Pa Leese Mendy, and the Jallow-Jallows? So I find it
>>funny
>>that you're trying to paint me as a narrow-minded tribalist. Who are you
>>trying to impress? What are you trying to prove?
>>
>>What is even more ironical is that, you're defending Alpha Robinson, your
>>knowledge of whom does not extend anywhere beyond his public persona. What
>>do you know about Alpha other than the fact that he was supposed to be the
>>firebrand Head Boy of GHS who caused a raucous at that school in the
>>mid-80s? Or the equally controversial fracas he was involved in in China
>>in
>>'89. In some books, that qualifies Alpha as a progressive. Maybe he is. I
>>don't know anything about him beyond that. I have no ill will against the
>>guy. I, in fact subscribe to many of his proposals, and I've said this in
>>my
>>original piece. But I do have a problem with the ethnic issue he raised.
>>I've challenged him to tell me who these "ethnic" campaigners are, and if
>>I'm wrong, I'll apologize. Alpha denied he is referring to Darbo and UDP,
>>but Basiru Ndow who first jumped to his defense, is honest enough to admit
>>that Darbo is in fact the politician Alpha is referring to just -as I knew
>>he was. Who's lying here? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see
>>who
>>the target of his "ethnic" campaigning is. Like I told Alpha originally,
>>there's this ethnic nonsense going on, on all sides. Why insinuate that
>>it's
>>one-sided? I've said, let's expose anyone individual guilty of this
>>divisiveness, and condemn him/her. What's tribalist about that?
>>
>>A tribe-less society in Gambia is an ideal that we have to work towards.
>>We
>>are not there yet. And not to be the devil's advocate, but I don't see us
>>getting there in our lifetime. We're doing better than our parents, and I
>>hope our children will fare better. But you cannot solve your problem by
>>pushing it under the rug. We have a tribal problem in the Gambia. And it's
>>not only the politicians that are guilty. It's any of us who perpetuate
>>stereotypes of one ethnic group or another, or laughs at jokes that
>>ridicule
>>one group or another, or denies someone scholarship b/c of their
>>ethnicity.
>>These are still the reality in the Gambia. I did not create this. To
>>pretend that it's not there would not solve it. We all need to come to
>>terms
>>w/ this, put everything on the table, discuss it, see where everyone is
>>coming from, and heal our nation. Just like this society (US) is trying to
>>do. Otherwise, we can play dumb/naïve all we want, when the dust settles,
>>the problem will still be here. On both this forum and Gambianews.com,
>>there
>>are occasional stories of how serious tribalism now is in the Gambia. And
>>from what I gather, it's not coming from the angle Alpha seems to suggest.
>>
>>The fact that I dare discuss this so-called sensitive (some may say
>>explosive) issue should tell you s'thing about me. I just don't have
>>anything to hide or prove! Let's all summon our courage and face this
>>tribal
>>issue. It won't go away by all of us sticking our heads up in the clouds
>>like you're doing Yaya. And, Yaya, you're not sophisticated only b/c you
>>don't know what "tribalism" is. Just visit the Gambia now, and no one will
>>need to remind you. Look at the changes going on in the army, the police,
>>and the overall civil service. If you can't see the obvious, god help you.
>>In any case, it's not fair for me to put more on your plate than you can
>>chew. If you can't comprehend, what I've been saying about this issue,
>>good
>>luck. But, just to set the record straight, I did not start this "ethnic"
>>talk. Alpha did. If he were honest enough to mention the people he's
>>referring to originally, we would have put this to rest a long time ago.
>>
>>Peace.
>>
>>Saul
>>
>>PS
>>If for some weird reason, this is your way of proving loyalty to Alpha,
>>you
>>can call me a Backward Tribalist. I don't mind. I've never been bothered
>>by
>>lies. You know that Yaya!
>>
>>Saul
>>
>>
>>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
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>>>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:05:07 PST
>>>
>>>Saul,
>>>I mean, why are you taking such a stance. Its unproductive! very
>>>backward,
>>>and can even be considered irresponsible! for that matter.
>>>Off course, I did read your piece, and it doesn't sound positive.
>>>
>>>I think you need to use your mind better! No body is going to be out here
>>>to
>>>entertain such ideas! Robinson's piece was very educative and smart. A
>>>better Gambia, is the agenda Saul, in case you missed the point!
>>>Do you consider the out come of such ideas as "Tribalism"? what effects
>>>do
>>>they have? Why are you puting energy on"Tribal" diversity?
>>>
>>>I have been reading some of your wounderful pieces, and thought you were
>>>more smart than this. Take a little research on that word "Tribe" and see
>>>if
>>>it even fit our society! It has more wider meanings and effects than you
>>>may
>>>think. We shall not entertain that Saul! be careful! its realy backwarded
>>>and unproductive.
>>>
>>>I think, if you dont have anything to add, or argue constructively,please
>>>give chance to others who can come up better ideas concerning the
>>>progress
>>>and prosperity of our people. We are not out here just for a matter of
>>>challeging others.We are here to discuss ideas.Further more I will
>>>consider
>>>this a waste of time and energy for you, because the average Gambian is
>>>very
>>>well aware of the effects of this so called "tribal" issue." so please
>>>"lagg
>>>av nu"
>>>
>>>No hard feelings brother, "tribal" issues doesn't suit us! we are one.
>>>
>>>Yahya
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
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>>>>Subject: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:14:31 GMT
>>>>
>>>>Yaya, Yaya, Yaya...
>>>>
>>>>Some things just don't change. Do they? Read my piece and read Alpha's
>>>>again, and ask yourself who the real tribalist is. Like they say around
>>>>here, "the mind is a terrible thing to waste." Use your mind Yaya!
>>>>
>>>>Saul.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:42:32 PST
>>>>>
>>>>>What are U up to Saul?
>>>>>I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
>>>>>Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you may
>>>>>have
>>>>>thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a better
>>>>>idea.
>>>>>We will certainly love to hear that one too!
>>>>>
>>>>>Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and responsible
>>>>>person
>>>>>who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould not
>>>>>be
>>>>>out
>>>>>here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
>>>>>Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we should
>>>>>have
>>>>>by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
>>>>>
>>>>>Yahya
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:00:13 GMT
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Basiru,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of
>>>>>>Ousainou's.
>>>>>>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist of
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason or
>>>>>>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or
>>>>>>tribe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism,
>>>>>>produce
>>>>>>it,
>>>>>>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not
>>>>>>familiar
>>>>>>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've said
>>>>>>here,
>>>>>>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each
>>>>>>other.
>>>>>>If
>>>>>>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence to
>>>>>>back
>>>>>>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in
>>>>>>sleaze,
>>>>>>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or just
>>>>>>shut
>>>>>>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Saul.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
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>>>>>>>Subject: [Fwd: Reply to Alpha's Some proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Saul,
>>>>>>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up your
>>>>>>>mind
>>>>>>>and stop
>>>>>>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that
>>>>>>>Ousainou
>>>>>>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>just
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
>>>>>>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to recover
>>>>>>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
>>>>>>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
>>>>>>>Jammeh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Basiru Ndow
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:39:17 GMT
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Thanks for your advice Sir,
That's exactly what I intend to do.
Saul.
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>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:11:52 PST
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>John, Bass, Saul, Yaya and the rest, if I were anyone of you, I would
>discuss Alpha's beautiful piece and not the matter born from the piece. I
>have read your earlier comments on different topics and was really
>impressed
>by all you wonderful guys. I would suggest each of you to rest his case and
>contribute to the "hot cake".
>
>Let's get back to Alpha's and Dr Saine's ideas and not matters that
>contributes nothing to our society but differences. I would love to read
>what you all have to say on the above topics. Just a piece of advise, I
>hope
>I did not offend anyone.
>
>Thanx
>Secka
>
>
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>>In a message dated 11/29/99 3:39:41 PM Central Standard Time,
>>[log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>><< Hi!
>> Is there anyone on this list who is a pure Wollof, Mandinka, Jola,
>>Fula
>> etc.? Does anyone know someone who is?
>>
>> Buharry. >>
>>**********************
>>Great question Buharry.
>>
>>Jabou
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Mr Ceesay,
You're entitled to your opinion, but as far as I'm concern, this is a dead
issue.
Peace.
Saul
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>Saul Khan,
>
>I saw the piece you sent to Alpha Robinson in private, and I don't think I
>can even find the right words to describe how disappointed I was when I
>read
>your material.
>
>Actually, your piece reminded me of what a leading African political
>scientist remarked to me, during a seminar I attended, just last week, in
>Bristol, UK.
>
>Having heard me speak with lucidity and enthusiasm about my vision for
>Africa in the 21st century, the political scientist remarked to me, during
>lunch break as follows: "Mr Ceesay, I enjoyed your talk...but I am no
>longer
>moved by good speeches. Why? Because many of us who are fortunate to be
>articulate in speaking and eloquent in writing are the very ones who put
>Africa in the mess in which it finds itself today"...
>
>He continued: "rather than help clarify complex issues for our people, so
>that they can make the right choices, many of us who are bright are only
>good at confusing our people, by injecting into their minds, very backward
>ideas such tribalism etc, ideas that do no good anyone, except harm to a
>whole Nation"...
>
>Now, having read Saul Khan's private e-mail to Alpha Robinson, I am
>convinced, more than before, that what the political scientist told me the
>other day, in Bristol, does hold water, or some truth.
>
>Gambia L, I am afraid to say this, but if Saul's private e-mail to Alpha is
>anything to go by, then Saul could be a fitting example of one of those
>bright Africans - mentioned by the political scientist - who, instead of
>clarifying complex issues for their people, are bringing out to the fore,
>irrelevant issues that would only create more havoc and chaos on the
>African
>Continent.
>
>No one who has been reading Saul's contributions to the L can deny the fact
>that the guy is bright and very eloquent. In fact, I must say here that I,
>for one, did enjoy reading most of his postings; and, needlessly to say, I
>also did learn a lot from his contributions.
>
>But having said that I must say I was very disappointed when I read the
>content of the private e-mail he sent to Alpha Robinson. I would never have
>expected a brilliant guy like Saul to have come up with such an unfortunate
>e-mail, a mail whose content, in my view, was irresponsible, retrogressing
>and, above all, more likely to divide our people, instead of uniting them.
>
>And, besides, as my able sister, Jabou Joh pointed out yesterday, some of
>the issues raised by Saul "have no bearing on the subject raised by Alpha."
>
>Frankly speaking, I would have expected a guy like Saul - given his wit and
>acuity - to have taken the lead in warning against tribalism in Africa in
>general, and the Gambia in particular, instead of coming of with
>remarks/sentiments that could, in fact, stir up trouble in our society.
>
>Sincerely, some of the sentiments expressed by Saul in his e-mail to Alpha
>are, to say the least, very worrying and disappointing. But I, for one,
>have
>found consolation in the fact that Gambians have now become more
>politically
>mature and more critically minded.
>
>Henceforth, no one can take the majority of the Gambian people for a ride.
>Many Gambians can now distinguish between what is sincere and what is not
>sincere; what is truthful and what is unreal; what is progressive and what
>is retrogressive; what brings peace and harmony and what stirs up trouble.
>
>I am sure all right thinking Gambians on the L, and outside the L, will
>never entertain some of the views expressed by Saul in his private mail to
>Alpha.
>
>The economic and political problem facing our Nation, on the eve of the new
>millennium, are quite enormous; and, really, what we need to do, or occupy
>our minds with, is to try and come up with concrete ideas on how we can
>build a much more better Gambia, for all of us, in the 21st century.
>
>I am in for a debate, but it has to be a very healthy one, which is
>conducted with respect, maturity, decency, clarity, sincerity and
>truthfulness.
>
>In my view, a healthy debate among ourselves is very necessary, so that
>with
>all the ideas and suggestions being brought forward, we might finally
>succeed in devising the right blue print that would help build a better
>Gambia, in the 21st century; a Gambia where the people's needs and
>aspirations would, at long last, be addressed.
>
>I must, however, say that, nowadays, the debate on the L is very healthy
>and
>encouraging. Consequently, it is in the interest of all of us to make sure
>that such a trend continues.
>
>Let us continue to engage in serious and responsible debates so that what
>needs rectification in our country would be rectified, and what is already
>right would be protected and preserved.
>
>Building a genuine democracy is not an easy task, but it is not
>insurmountable. It only requires the right mix of enlightened leaders, an
>active civil society, institutions that work and, of course, time.
>
>Anyway, the signs of the time are very encouraging; and, for me, they
>signal
>a bright future for our motherland. The days when the Gambia has had a
>docile civil society had long gone. Henceforth, let us vigorously
>scrutinise
>all our politicians, be they in government or in opposition, so that those
>who are sincere and committed to the cause can be discerned from those who
>are not genuine.
>
>Hamjatta and Saul have started scrutinising PDOIS' role during the
>transition period and beyond, and it would be very healthy if such a
>scrutiny, as insinuated by Jabou and a few others, is also extended to
>other
>politicians and political parties in the country, as well the media,
>including my own role during the transition period if you will.
>
>I am confident that this scrutiny, if conducted fairly and objectively, the
>Gambia, as a country, would be the only WINNER. It would enable us to
>identify those politicians who are genuinely committed to the principles of
>transparency and accountability and those who are not.
>
>In my view, the era when our politicians regard the people as mere
>supplicants who must beg them (the politicians) for favours is about to
>fade
>away in Gambian politics.
>
>I may sound over optimistic here, but I am of the view that sooner rather
>later, our politicians must wake up to the reality that they either have
>deliver the goods, or risk being voted out of office by their electors.
>
>Let us, therefore, continue to be on our toes, probing, listening and
>asking
>vital questions, especially with regard to how our country is being
>governed, so that we can help build a much more developed and prosperous
>Gambia in the 21st century.
>
>Having said so, let me now return to the main issue, which is Saul's
>private
>e-mail to Alpha Robinson. Saul, let me make it very clear to you that I
>don't know Alpha well, but I could sense/feel that the brother was genuine,
>and had no hidden agenda whatsoever, except a love for his country and her
>people, when he sent his proposals to the L.
>
>By the way, Saul, I was in the Gambia during the 1996 elections; and I can
>tell you, in all honesty, that Alpha's comment regarding tribal politics
>during the 1996 election was a fair/legitimate comment. Indeed, there was
>evidence that there were A VERY FEW politicians who, on their own will,
>tried to urge some of the voters to vote along tribal lines.
>
>But the important thing here is that the leaders of all the political
>parties in the Gambia, as far as I know, had, at the time, openly
>encouraged
>the voters to elect their leaders, based on their programmes and policies,
>and nothing else.
>
>In my view, it would be very unfair and irresponsible for that matter, to
>accuse the leaders of the political parties of having a tribal agenda.
>However, having said that it was also a valid comment for Alpha to have
>suggested that there were certain politicians (although not any of the
>party
>leaders I must add here) who tried to inject tribal sentiments during the
>1996 elections.
>
>The other day deposed president Jawara accused Mr Jammeh of injecting
>tribalism in some parts of his government, but if you really observe
>Jammeh's appointments very clearly, it becomes clear as a sunny day that
>two
>KEY factors come into play, when he considers people for appointments; and
>these two factors are loyalty and trust.
>
>I may wrong here, but, in my eyes, what Mr Jammeh looks for when appointing
>officials is someone who would be trusted and loyal to him. And needless to
>say that Mr Jammeh can find such a person in any of the tribes in the
>Gambia.
>
>As for Ousainou Darboe, a BBC colleague of mine, Mick Slatter, who came to
>cover the 1996 presidential election, had asked him during a press
>conference, held by the UDP, a few days before the election, whether his
>party had a tribal agenda, or whether it was formed along tribal lines.
>
>And, in reply, not only did Mr Darboe dismiss such claims as nonsense, but
>he also cited the fact that the deputy leader of his party, Yahya Jallow,
>is
>Fula, while Ebou Manneh, a senior figure of the party is Wollof.
>
>Furthermore, Lawyer Darboe also revealed that one of his wives is Wollof
>and
>that many of the friends were, in fact, Wollofs, Fulas, Jolas etc. So
>brother Saul, let's be very careful with this talk of tribalism in the
>Gambia. Let's bury the word under the carpet once and for all, because it
>is
>like playing with fire.
>
>I'll take this opportunity to call on you, to use your NOUS in a positive
>manner, so that we can save beautiful Gambia from the mayhem and
>destruction
>tribalism has brought in other parts of Africa.
>
>By the way, it is very encouraging to note that, in actual fact, tribal
>politics is already fading away in some African countries.
>
>Let me also take the opportunity to report on some of the positive
>developments taking place on the African Continent, on the eve of new
>millennium.
>
>It was refreshing to hear at the Bristol seminar that some of the leaders
>in
>Africa have now woken up to the reality that African development will
>become
>a reality if and only when they are able tap the continent's rich human
>resources overseas.
>
>Consequently, a few African leaders, who aware of the fact that the return
>of such human resources will serve as a leverage for accelerated
>development, have begun attracting their citizens abroad back home. And
>already the dividend is paying.
>
>There are now a few African countries that have started doing very well in
>economic terms; and, for me, all these developments signal a bright future
>for the Continent in the 21st century.
>
>I am sure if the Harold Macmillan, the British Prime Minister who
>accurately
>predicted the end of colonial rule in a speech to the Parliament of South
>Africa could be resurrected, he would repeat in clearer terms his historic
>statement that a more devastating wind of change was blowing in today's
>Africa.
>
>This wind will dismantle the pillars of repression and tyranny in Africa,
>following which an Africa which will accord all her citizens a very decent
>and dignified living would be built once and for all.
>
>In fact, an unnoticeable renaissance has already started transforming our
>continent, although I must be quick to add that the transformation is very
>slow. An Africa in which governments are becoming accountable to their
>citizens; in which real progress is being made to reduce poverty is already
>under way.
>
>Take Mali, for example. Under president Alpha Oumar Conare's leadership,
>economic growth has been restored and, most remarkably, the country has
>sprouted over 1,000 radio stations, making it one of the most "tune in"
>countries on the globe.
>
>Another good example is Botswana. At independence in 1966, Botswana was one
>of the world's poorest countries; but today, it boasts of a vibrant economy
>with 15 consecutive years of budgetary surplus and substantial foreign
>exchange reserves. The life expectancy of its citizens has risen from 49 to
>65 years.
>
>Ghana is also reported to be doing well in economic terms. The inflation
>rate which remained 60 per cent from the mid 1970s to the mid 1980s, had
>dropped to 10 per cent. Economic growth is now chugging along at a healthy
>5
>per cent.
>
>Also Ghana's fledgling stock exchange has burst onto the international
>scene
>and, presently, it boasts of a capitalization almost $2 billion dollars.
>
>By the way, there are now over 15 African stock markets, and Afica is also
>reported to possess 54 per cent of the world's cobalt; 32 per cent of its
>bauxite; 52 per cent of its manganese; 81 per cent of its chromium stocks.
>South Africa alone is said to have 84 per cent of the world's reserve of
>platinum.
>
>Also, 20 per cent of US oil imports now come from Africa; and American
>investors are finding Africa highly profitable. In fact, the average annual
>return on the book value of US investments in Africa in the 1990s was over
>25 per cent, compared to less than 10 per cent worldwide.
>
>Still talking positively about Africa, let me also inform some of you who
>do
>not know, that African infant mortality rates have also declined from 165
>to
>per 1,000 - 30 years ago to 97 per 1,000 today.
>
>Also, average life expectancy has risen from 40.1 years to 51.3 years. The
>aggregate African growth rates in 1995 and 1996 averaged twice that of the
>previous decade, and in 21 African countries, the economic growth rate is
>at
>least double the rate of population growth.
>
>Furthermore, in 1996 and 1997, 26 African countries conducted multi- party
>elections. It is true that many Africa countries still remain under
>military
>dictatorship, but, at the same time, there is also a good number of African
>States that are making headways both in political and economic terms.
>
>I'll conclude with these remarks, but I forgot who uttered them: "when we
>want to rise, we will. When we are ready to grow, we can. The only thing
>holding us in place right now, are the things we do."
>
>Ebrima Ceesay,
>Birmingham, UK.
>
>PS: D.A Jawo, welcome on board, and I hope you'll find Gambia L useful. I
>am
>sure if time permits you, you will do some good writing for the L. By the
>way, how is the Gambai Press Union doing? Hope things are okay. My warmest
>regards to Pap Saine, Deyda Hydara, Yorro Jallow, Alieu Badara Sowe (borom
>Jasigui) and all the rest of the crew down there.
>
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Thanks a lot Ousman,
I couldn't say it better myself. Even if s'one shoots me down today, there
will still be a tribal problem in the Gambia. And one way or another, that
issue will have to be addressed. Many members prefer the easy way out:
labelling me as a backward tribalist, instead of facing the issue. If only
we can all be honest w/ ourselves and each other. The type of prejudice we
have against each other is no different than the Black/White racism in this
country. But people are free to lie to themselves. In any case, I'm not
bothered by silly labels. This issue is died as far as I'm concerned.
Saul.
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>Soffie,
>I certainly agree with you. This issue is so sensitive to a lot of people
>and
>I can see why it is been blown out of proportion. Alpha made a lot of sense
>in what he said. He talked about the kind of people who we have in our
>society. Saul made an observation and requested a clarification. Some might
>have a problem the way he put his words. I think it would be better for the
>people if we talk about our problems and not just hide them because some of
>us who are born by parents of different ethnic groups feel uncomfortable
>when
>it is discussed.
>Tribalism is alive in the Gambia as in any parts of this world. And
>discrimination is the same in all its aspects as long as it is against a
>particular group of people/society. So ladies and gentlemen, why don't we
>all
>move forward and discuss the reality instead of sweeping it under the
>carpet.
>Yes, I am born of parents of different tribes, but do not tell me that
>politicians do not try to explore what ever they could to get what they
>want.
>Of course there are exceptions, but to say that because some feel
>uncomfortable discussing it and it should not be is nonsense too.
>I am sorry if I offend anyone, but this is my personal opinion and meant
>not
>to.
>
>Ousman Jallow Bojang.
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I am no expert in this but is it that we do not have Gambians or Gambian
companies who could do the job? At least, we will be able to pay in Dalasi.
In fact why did we agree to pay in US Dollars and not French Franc!
Malanding Jaiteh
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> Basil,
>
> Just to recap your piece particularly, your last sentence, "only time will
> tell". This is what I have said from the very start when Brother Habib
first
> introduced the issue of BIVAC to the L. Let us give it a shot. IF it did
> not yield the desired results to the economy we scrap the programme in its
> totality or atleast advice the Government to do so, to avert any imminent
and
> prolong hardship to the already poor people of The Gambia. This as you
> rightly asserted would be counterproductive.
>
> Adios,
> OB Silla.
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