Excellent proposal!
Among all this experts for Balkans , I am sure that we have someone who
knows Chehoslovakian and Russian? Bulgarian? And , perhaps, because the
knowledge of the region problems on this list is so impressive, maybe we can
discuss something in Serbian, Slovenian, Bosnian, Macedonian, Montenegrian,
Croat?
 Pizda li vam materina arogantna, stoko seljacka:)
                                                   Andrej










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From: DDeBar <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [CHOMSKY] FW: United States/Kosovo


> By the way, for people who have a problem with Andrej's English - it's
> probably appropriate for this discussion of who, and what, Serb's are, to
> have the discussion in Serbian, or at least a Slavic language. I mean, if
> we know all about the place and its people and history and culture, etc.,
> we must speak a little of the language, no?
> DDeBar
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> > From: Andrej Grubacic <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [CHOMSKY] FW: United States/Kosovo
> > Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 7:52 PM
> >
> > Yes, that was exactly what I have asked for. My english is imperfect, of
> > course, but  think that I'have been clear in my message, or kind request
> ,
> > that lumping "Serbs" into one category, demonized and labeled as
> > "genocidal", is something that is in sociology text books described as
> > RACISM; I asked that certain person(s) seize using insulting  references
> >  racist ones) , without any intention to supress anyone's right to
speak.
> >  Tracy and Iss-bla-bla what his name, have understood this quite well.
> So,
> > please, leave Balkans and Balkan people the fuck alone! Direct your
> imperial
> > arrogance on some other list, more in accord with your political
beliefs.
> > White Storm Front, for instance.
> >                                @g
> >
> >
> > "Nothing is more dangerous for man's private morality than the
> > habit of command. The best man, the most intelligent,
> > disinterested, generous, pure, will infallibly & always be
> > spoiled at this trade. Two sentiments inherent in power never
> > fail to produce this demoralization; they are: contempt for the
> > masses & the overestimation of one's own merits."
> >                     Bakunin
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: frank scott <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 12:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CHOMSKY] FW: United States/Kosovo
> >
> >
> > > What we have here is a failure to communicate...re the accusations
back
> > > and forth on racism and suppression of freedom...take a deep breath,
> > > kids!
> > >
> > > Andre speaks very clearly, though he is obviously using a language
that
> > > is at least his second. he doesn't seem - to this less than humble
> > > observer - to be  for suppressing anyone's right to speak, but rather
> > > speaks against  the use of insulting terms and references to a
specific
> > > people who are fair game for bigots who never think of themselves as
> > > bigots...
> > >
> > > lumping "serbs" together as vicious, murdering, genocidal types is
even
> > > dumber than lumping germans into that category...ease up,
please...this
> > > is america, and we take a back seat to no one...nobody....no
> > > people...when it comes to going about our business ( shopping,
driving,
> > > working, eating, etc) while "we" bomb, shoot, kill, maim , etc, via
our
> > > geopolitical and separate entities called government, military and so
> > > forth and so on...
> > >
> > > at least the bloody bastards who killed and are being killed (yet!
> > > still!) in kosovo have a passionate involvement in their bloody
> > > deeds...before we indulge ourselves in superior, snooty and really
> > > aggravating crap - labeling others from our high position as
> > > shoppers-while-others-slaughter-for-us enlightened types - we might
> > > consider the facts, the death tolls and face reality.
> > >
> > > the "serbs" are no better or worse than the "kosovo albanians", but
> both
> > > might...just might...be morally superior to a group that does nothing
> > > but argue , debate and name call, while others use its tax dollars to
> > > kill...who dat?????
> > >
> > > Life becomes cheaper, much cheaper, when an entire people are
invisible
> > > (Iraq) or demonized (Serbs)...and by the way, I also think the stuff
> > > about the right-winger in austria is none of our damned business...if
> > > they voted for the shmuck ( if he is a shmuck), it is their
> > > problem...all this allegedly high toned protest against him comes from
> > > some very low-class apologists for mass murder and rape, as long as
> that
> > > murder and rape is conducted under liberal, corporate capital rules of
> > > "civility"....screw them, too...
> > >
> > > and if we don't create a reasonable, respectful voice for radical
> > > politics, we will face greater right wing expression here in the
> > > USA...when the left-liberal-progressive wing indulges in the kind of
> > > stuff that we do here, it is no wonder that "masses", that legendary
> > > entity spoken of in the abstract but rarely dealt with except with
> > > disrespect, will move to the right...check history, but don't deny it,
> > > please...
> > >
> > > fs