"I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard
existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of
freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my lifetime." -- Albert
Einstein, 1947


----- Original Message -----
From: Tresy Kilbourne <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: [CHOMSKY] The US Great Satan


> My computer goes in the shop for a few days and look what I miss!
>
>
> Tony Abdo at [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > Tresy, you are absolutely right, a lot of us on this list do see the US
> > as The Great Satan.     In fact, your derisive use of this term comes
> > from the days of the overthrow of the Shah of Iran.     Were Iranians
> > wrong also, in seeing the US as The Great Satan?
>
> Chomsky uses it derisively throughout his works to refer to a mindset that
> sees the world in chauvinistic, unthinking, black and white, usually
> ascribed to the "commissars" in the mass media. He also says that
> self-identified "Marxists" such as yourself exemplify a similar religious
> mindset. You probably missed that part too. You don't really read Chomsky,
> do you?
> >
> > What are all the things you love so much about the US?     You love the
> > medical system,  "the safety net", and the "right-to-bomb" the living
> > daylights out of people halfway around the globe.    Are there any other
> > things that us "leftie fora" have done injustly to poor ol' Uncle Sam,
> > in your humble opinion?      Besides our simple lack of appreciation for
> > not realizing how good we have it, here at home?
>
> Chomsky says he lives here because it's the freest country in the world.
> Alex Cockburn says he lives here because the people are friendlier and
more
> open than the UK, and the society is less class ridden. Many other people
> come here by the thousands for similar reasons, including the opportunity
to
> find a better life than they have in the People's Republics of Iraq,
> Yugoslavia, and elsewhere. Got a problem with that? Go argue with them.
> >
> > Please inform us if so, so that we can correct in advance our difficient
> > love for the Patria.     And lack of respect, too.
>
> I didn't say anything about love or respect for "the Patria." I was
speaking
> solely of the Chomsky model displaying itself on this list. It's not my
> fault if you can't read or think.
> >
> > By God, somebody's got to come on these lists and straighten us
> > uninformed people out.     Praise the Lord for your vision.
>
> This religious rhetoric I find highly amusing (Meecham begged elsewhere
for
> the US rulers to "repent"). If only many of the people on this list
realized
> how much like Pat Robertson they sound, in their hysterical indifference
to
> fact and reason, and their brainless invocations of Great Satans to
buttress
> Manicheaen worldview.
>
> --
> Tresy Kilbourne
> Seattle WA