Osmar Ferreira de Oliveira wrote:
:  I would like to remember that the in first part of the book there are five
: conferences on Zen Buddhism by D.T.Suzuki and the one you quote is
: "Unconscious in Zen Buddhism" which was as the other four,  literally copied
: in the direct speach by Erich Fromm.
:
:  The second part was written by Fromm and the third by Richard De Martino.
:  Please correct me if I may be wrong.
 
Dear Osmar,
 
You are correct and I offer my apology for attributing the entire work
to Fromm. I promise to never make that mistake again. How right you
are to point that out.
 
:  It is one of the BLB ( Best Little Books ) on the matter, although I think
: that the first part is the most valuable for our work.
:
:  Reading your message I immediatly remembered the song " Love is in the Air
: ", so why not " Death is in the Air ", or the air of Love and the air of
 Death.
:
:  I have to point out that it is very different from hate in the Pre-Socratic
: thinking, what takes us directly to the notion of an Unconscient"air"( agent
: of human nature ) that comes free from everything more than only Death.
 
 
When it comes to the dialectics/rhetoric I tend to borrow from
Nietzsche and assert that vengence must be overcome. The Buddhist
position is to do the same thing. Freud himself could not overcome
vengence and we see apt indication of this in many of the comments
he made about his colleagues and even 'America'. Rank & Jung
understood the principle, whereas Jones was implicitly a vindictive
type. I have always been perturbed over Freud's statement that
he needed an enemy in light of what he knew about the reasons for his
own needs? Further, Charles Hampden-Turner writes rather effectively
about the hegelian spirals that tend to manifest between these two
polar opposites in _Maps of The Mind_. In short, the 'love/hate'
continuum is a nonsense dialectic. Perception of 'love/hate' as
extremes might be what is pathological as Hampden-turner suggests.
Frankly, my 'three idols' died years ago. Marx will always be my
numer one fallen idol.
 
:  I do not agree with the air of "murder" because the aim of the artist is
: not the act, but the nature of it.
 
Creativity comes about via destruction of pre-existing space. The
'artist' [just as a sword maker is] makes the sword cut the
'dialectic' of space/truth etc, and in so doing creates art/artifact.
In short, every myth is a destruction of a historical truth.
Semiotics lends signification/signifiers/and signs to form
SYMBOLS/Myths. If taken to logical conclusion all 'death' is actually
'life' in a Buddhist philosophy. Zen masters state that love and hate
are products of one in the same thing. In other words, a
monism/monastic theology.
 
:  Of course I am talking about the Freudian Duality.
 
I'm not too sure that there was a complete duality when I really dig
into the theories.
 
CHEERS!
 
Robert
 
 
:  Best regards, Osmar.
:
 
 
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