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Robert White <[log in to unmask]>
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Sun, 16 Feb 1997 16:34:30 -0500
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Osmar Ferreira de Oliveira wrote:
:      What is overcame isn't vengeance.The most one can do is deal with his
:      ( her ) own " death air ", keeping contact,  because when this is not
:      done vengeance is impossible to be even percepted. It just comes as
:      even unknown, something natural ( remember that revenge is a dish
:      to be served cold ).
:
:      What I mean is that real vengeance may not even be felt.
:      What is called here as vengeance has a proper name: revenge.
:
:      So on I agree with " Nitch" ;) revenge must be overcome, not vengeance.
 
Grant, G. (1969). _Time as History_ CBC Massy Lectures, Ninth Series
                  Canadian Broadcasting Corporation/ Toronto CANADA
 
          "They have denied that love of fate (love of the injustices
          and alienations and exploitations of time) can be good. Is
          it not just a sufficiently deep and sustained hatred of these
          iniquities which brings men to fight and to overcome them?
          But Nietzsche's love of fate is not passive, but a call to
          dynamic political doing. He states explicitly that any
          philosophy must finally be judged in light of its political
          recommendations. What he is saying beyond many Marxists is
          that the building of the potential height in modern society
          can only be achieved by those who have overcome revenge, so
          that what they accomplish comes forth from a positive love
          of the earth, and not simply from hatred of what presently is.
          Dynamic willing that has not overcome revenge will always have
          the marks of hysteria and hatred within it. It can only pro-
          duce the technical frenzy of the nihilists or the shallow
          goals of the last men. It cannot come to terms with the quest-
          ions: "what for, whither and what then?" However, against the
          complacency of any easy amor fati, Nietzsche makes clear that
          it must take into itself all the pain and anguish and ghast-
          liness that has ever been, and also the loathing of that
          ghastliness and pain. Hatred against existence is, it would
          seem, limitless, and the more we are aware of the nervous
          systems of others, the more that hatred and hysteria must be
          actual or repressed from us. Only those of us who are not much
          open to others can readily claim that we think existing to be
          as we wanted it. Amor fati is then a height for men, not in
          the sense that it is easily achieved or perhaps ever achieved
          by any human being.The redemption that Nietzsche holds forth
          is not cheaply bought."
 
okay... that was mistake #2! ;-)
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