In a message dated 97-03-24 13:15:45 EST, you write:

<< As we
 see in many people's comments that appear to diminish the competence or
 training of social workers, counselors, or MA-level psychologists--which is
 not particularly constructive... >>

Excuse me, but I think a lot of projection is going on here.  I said that the
above fields were respected professions, but they are not psychoanalysis.  I
just cannot believe that anyone would consider practicing psychoanalytic
psychotherapy, or any therapy,  without having undergone it him or her self.
 The only way one can understand this , however,  is to go through the
process, so it is a moot point in any debate with those who have not. I have
a particular love for the process Freud birthed, so am sensitive to using the
term the same way "aspirin" has been used!