Dear Mailing List Members:
   Many of you are aware of the criticisms I have lodged against the Amer.
Psyc. Assoc. and how I have formally submitted my complaints to all
relevant APA offices and officers and asked for a reply (beginning my
urgings for a reply over 7 mo. ago -- since the complaints were submitted
the first time long before that).  I want all to know that NO officer of
the APA OR any office has ever replied.  This in spite of the fact that my
complaints were forwarded to the head science officer (Dr. Fowler) by no
less than the 1999 President-elect, Richard Suinn.  I also had in-person
conversations with officers at the APA convention, where I was assured of a
response.  Now, Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly open and unmoderated
mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has kicked a friend of mine off
of that list for stating his view of how important it is that APA President
Seligman anwser my concerns (my concerns have been a topic of discussion on
the CLINICAL-PSYCHOLOGISTS mailing list for a couple weeks now).  Joe Plaud
FALSELY characterizes the post to the list (quoted DIRECTLY below) as
"threatening" and kicks my friend off this PUBLICALLY FUNDED, OPEN,
UNMODERATED mailing list.  Plaud's characterization of what he did and why
is quoted directly below the quote of Ren Cook's "troubling" post.
  The APA now operates a mailing list that represents itself as open to all
but which engages in blatant censorship.  It does all this while operating
on PUBLIC money.  I urge all to join the list to find out more what is
"going on" and I urge all to write to Joseph Plaud.  Plauds' address is:
[log in to unmask]  (By the way: My criticisms are at:
http://www.future.net/~bradj/it.html (last two parts of the first long paper))

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Now here are the posts in question.  First the supposedly "threatening"
post and then Plaud's announcement of kicking Ren off the list:
>
>From:Ren Cook <[log in to unmask]> Add to Address Book
>Subject: Seligman (& APA): It's Just Some Science-People now, WHAT LATER?
>To: [log in to unmask]
>
>Martin Seligman -- There are now just a relatively
>few science people after you to do more to promote
>needed science and strive to offer more reasonable
>services.  If you don't respond to this challenge,
>how will you ever respond to the challenge you will
>have when many people from many different
>perspectives will ask, "What's going on?" ? It is ACT
>NOW, prudently and in a more timely way, or respond
>later, when you shall be under great pressures.  It
>IS *NOW* up to you.  Will you rise to make the
>changes in policies and take initiatives needed to do
>a better job of meeting the needs of society, good
>sense, and science *OR* will you wait.  Do not EVER
>say you had no warning (all shall know better).
>Those who actively avoid facing issues now will have
>to account for it later.  That will be more than a
>little difficult.  Please accept this cautionary note
>and begin a legitimate response and begin taking some
>responsible actions.  Relatively few will have to
>know how negligent you have been if you act now.  If
>you don't, though, your legacy will be gravely
>tarnished.  Many of the major issues are on the
>table, NOW.  You know it.  ACT.  Respond.  cheers, ren

---------- Forwarded message ----------
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Seligman (& APA): It's Just Some Science-People now, WHAT LATER?

Joseph J. Plaud wrote:
>
> Dear Ren/Brad, whoever,
> Once again I have to deal with some very inappropriate email postings.  I
> wil not allow or tolerate any threats made to a distinguished scientist,
> scholar, and president of APA, Dr. Seligman.  You have been warned
> repeatedly not to engage in outrageous list posting behavior.  There are
> multiple ways to make your point without threats.  Ergo, your
> participation on this forum must now be suspended.  There are few
> things concerning Internet life that disturb me more than having to take
> this action, but as the listowner, I feel ethically compelled to take
> this action, and hope that this disagreeable matter can now come to an
> end so that the real purposes of our list can be maintained.
> Sincerely,
> Joseph J. Plaud, Ph.D. Listowner